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I can still see it... 3 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,500 Beautiful girl. 4 00:00:55,666 --> 00:00:59,200 She was quite a sickly baby when she was born. 5 00:01:00,066 --> 00:01:03,000 She ended up being an asthmatic child, 6 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:09,233 but when she became a mum, she was a beautiful mum, 7 00:01:10,033 --> 00:01:12,100 absolutely beautiful mum. 8 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:18,266 Always smiling, 9 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:23,033 she'd always wave, "Hi Auntie," you know. 10 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:26,733 [child laughing] 11 00:01:27,733 --> 00:01:31,333 Just what happened to her is so sad 12 00:01:31,666 --> 00:01:33,233 you know, it still hurts today, 13 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:36,466 it'll probably hurt forever what happened to Janet. 14 00:01:38,166 --> 00:01:43,633 -...and your pappa. Hello. 15 00:01:43,633 --> 00:01:47,700 - You know one day maybe the girls are gonna ask us 16 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:49,533 and we haven't got an answer. 17 00:01:51,133 --> 00:01:54,066 What do you say to two beautiful girls when they ask you, 18 00:01:54,066 --> 00:01:55,466 "What happened to our mommy?" 19 00:01:58,433 --> 00:02:01,666 [gloomy dramatic music] 20 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,566 [crying] 21 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,566 [Gail] They were a nice family. 22 00:03:35,733 --> 00:03:37,600 We all went to the same school together, 23 00:03:39,033 --> 00:03:41,333 played together, we did things together you know. 24 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:47,066 I was quite close to some of Janet's aunties 25 00:03:47,466 --> 00:03:48,700 on that side. 26 00:03:50,133 --> 00:03:54,166 I'm still in shock a bit, that they let this happen. 27 00:03:57,233 --> 00:03:58,666 That they went that far 28 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,533 to try and heal her. 29 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:09,466 [indistinct police radio chattering] 30 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,666 [Tusha Penny] It was shortly after five p.m. on a Friday 31 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,366 when outplace communications center had a call 32 00:04:29,366 --> 00:04:31,233 requesting that police attend 33 00:04:31,233 --> 00:04:33,133 at an address in Wainuiomata. 34 00:04:34,633 --> 00:04:36,400 My name is Tusha Penny, 35 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,766 I was a detective sergeant in Lower Hutt, 36 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,166 second in charge of the operation. 37 00:04:46,533 --> 00:04:49,666 [dog barking] 38 00:04:49,666 --> 00:04:52,033 What we could never have appreciated 39 00:04:52,033 --> 00:04:54,233 when we first walked through the door 40 00:04:54,666 --> 00:04:57,266 was that what was about to unfold 41 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,400 was something incredibly unique, 42 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:03,366 something incredibly tragic, 43 00:05:04,233 --> 00:05:05,733 and something very challenging. 44 00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:11,433 [crying] 45 00:05:26,166 --> 00:05:29,500 Whenever you work on any case, any case at all, 46 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:34,033 it's a privilege, you have a really big job to do 47 00:05:34,433 --> 00:05:38,233 and we worked very hard to understand 48 00:05:39,033 --> 00:05:42,666 how a family could do that to one of their own. 49 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:48,266 [crying] 50 00:05:48,266 --> 00:05:53,133 There were conflicting stories about how Janet had died. 51 00:05:56,633 --> 00:05:58,700 Although some of the family members 52 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:01,600 had said she had actually died hours earlier 53 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,266 and from a mental illness or sickness. 54 00:06:13,333 --> 00:06:16,700 It was a matter of trying to unravel what had happened, 55 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:18,533 trying work back. 56 00:06:18,533 --> 00:06:21,233 We talked to an excess of 70 people, 57 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,600 we let them tell their story. 58 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,233 One person saying it probably doesn't have a lot of weight, 59 00:06:28,266 --> 00:06:30,233 but when a whole lot of people 60 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:32,100 are telling you the same story 61 00:06:32,366 --> 00:06:34,033 then there's something in that. 62 00:06:34,033 --> 00:06:36,366 [interrogator] Take a seat. 63 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:49,500 What can you tell me about making a promise? 64 00:06:52,633 --> 00:06:56,333 [girl] A promise is... being truthful 65 00:06:56,333 --> 00:06:58,666 to the person you made the promise to. 66 00:06:59,566 --> 00:07:01,566 [interrogator] So do you promise me everything 67 00:07:01,566 --> 00:07:05,033 we talk about in this room today will be the truth? 68 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,633 [sniffles] 69 00:07:07,633 --> 00:07:09,733 Yeah, if I can remember. 70 00:07:10,533 --> 00:07:12,566 [interrogator] So what I'll get you to do 71 00:07:12,566 --> 00:07:15,066 is just read card out aloud please. 72 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,733 I Glenys Wright do sincerely and truly declare and affirm 73 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:23,433 that I will tell the truth 74 00:07:23,433 --> 00:07:25,233 during this interview here today. 75 00:07:28,166 --> 00:07:30,466 I John Tahana Rawiri 76 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,633 sincerely and truthfully affirm 77 00:07:33,633 --> 00:07:37,200 that I will tell the truth in this interview here today. 78 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:41,333 [Phil Mitchell] This family 79 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:43,466 cooperated fully with the police. 80 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:48,133 My name's Phil Mitchell, I was defense council, 81 00:07:48,133 --> 00:07:51,166 tasked primarily with researching the case. 82 00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:55,166 They genuinely believed there was something 83 00:07:55,166 --> 00:07:57,733 very malignant and dangerous within her. 84 00:08:00,366 --> 00:08:02,600 [Grant Burston] You can't just 85 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,233 act on bizarre beliefs and kill someone 86 00:08:07,233 --> 00:08:08,766 and nothing's done about it. 87 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:13,566 My name's Grant Burston, it was my responsibility 88 00:08:13,566 --> 00:08:16,533 to lead the team of Crown prosecutors 89 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:18,600 who conducted the case against 90 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,066 the people charged in relation to Janet's death. 91 00:08:24,133 --> 00:08:26,500 [interrogator] What have you come to talk to me about today? 92 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:32,200 [girl] Things that happened last week. 93 00:08:33,433 --> 00:08:34,766 [interrogator] What? 94 00:08:34,766 --> 00:08:37,433 [girl] About Janet Moses. 95 00:08:38,633 --> 00:08:40,133 [interrogator] Should we start there? 96 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:41,400 I'm just... 97 00:08:42,433 --> 00:08:47,566 from the 21st when we were at... the Palisa Hotel. 98 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,233 [party music] 99 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:57,066 On Saturday night there was a 21st function 100 00:08:57,066 --> 00:09:01,000 for Janet's sister at the Palisa Hotel in Wainuiomata. 101 00:09:02,666 --> 00:09:04,533 [Phil Mitchell] You have close families 102 00:09:04,533 --> 00:09:06,300 but this was extraordinary. 103 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:13,700 A close-knit family might be a family 104 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:17,433 that gets together for lunch every Sunday, but these people, 105 00:09:17,433 --> 00:09:22,100 they lived together, they had their own family sports team, 106 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:23,366 they socialized together. 107 00:09:23,366 --> 00:09:25,400 I can remember numerous times during the trial 108 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,266 people saying they're best friends with their cousins. 109 00:09:28,266 --> 00:09:29,666 They did everything together. 110 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:32,633 [crowd chattering] 111 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:41,733 Janet had a very difficult time 112 00:09:41,733 --> 00:09:44,100 in the weeks leading up to her death, 113 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:47,500 it would seem to be a complete and total change in her. 114 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:53,100 And Jan was just... sitting, 115 00:09:55,633 --> 00:09:57,266 gazing at the wall. 116 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,100 She didn't look right. 117 00:10:03,633 --> 00:10:05,733 [Dr. Rees Tapsell] This was quite a shock 118 00:10:05,733 --> 00:10:07,600 to everybody around her, 119 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,766 it seemed to have come on very quickly. 120 00:10:12,433 --> 00:10:13,766 My name is Dr. Rees Tapsell, 121 00:10:13,766 --> 00:10:15,766 I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist 122 00:10:15,766 --> 00:10:18,200 and I'm also of Maori origin 123 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:25,133 and have through my life been involved in the... interface 124 00:10:25,133 --> 00:10:29,166 between particularly psychiatry and cultural practice. 125 00:10:30,766 --> 00:10:33,400 Janet had a very close and loving relationship 126 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,200 with her grandmother 127 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,666 and her grandmother passed away relatively recently 128 00:10:37,666 --> 00:10:41,533 and she'd also had some fairly major stresses 129 00:10:41,533 --> 00:10:43,733 in terms of a relationship. 130 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,466 And I think the combination of those things 131 00:10:49,466 --> 00:10:51,566 are likely to have put a huge amount 132 00:10:51,566 --> 00:10:53,300 of pressure and stress on her. 133 00:10:58,466 --> 00:10:59,700 [interrogator] Who is Shane? 134 00:11:02,133 --> 00:11:04,066 That's Janet's partner, 135 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,766 they've been together for around nine years I think. 136 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,100 [interrogator] Tell me about him, about him that night. 137 00:11:16,533 --> 00:11:18,733 - Hello my darlings. - [baby crying] 138 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:20,333 Come on we'll go. 139 00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:23,066 I'm just gonna hang out with the boys for a little bit. 140 00:11:23,066 --> 00:11:24,700 [Janet] Come be with the kids. 141 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,166 [baby crying] 142 00:11:29,666 --> 00:11:31,300 [Shane] Bye Louise. 143 00:11:35,233 --> 00:11:38,000 [baby crying] 144 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,400 [Phil] She learned of an infidelity with her partner 145 00:11:43,166 --> 00:11:47,233 and after that she became very withdrawn. 146 00:11:47,233 --> 00:11:49,533 [baby crying] 147 00:11:52,033 --> 00:11:54,233 [interrogator] Did you drop Janet off somewhere? 148 00:11:55,066 --> 00:11:57,400 We went over to Jan's aunties 149 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,533 and we ended up staying the night there. 150 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:09,433 [ominous music] 151 00:12:09,433 --> 00:12:12,333 [Janet] They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 152 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:16,033 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming, 153 00:12:16,033 --> 00:12:18,533 they're coming, they're coming. 154 00:12:18,533 --> 00:12:20,766 [mumbling] 155 00:12:34,633 --> 00:12:35,633 [woman] Jan. 156 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,066 Jan? 157 00:12:54,433 --> 00:12:58,233 Hey, come on, come back inside now, 158 00:12:59,166 --> 00:13:01,633 come on, you're okay. 159 00:13:01,633 --> 00:13:03,266 [Glenys] Our girl was in danger, 160 00:13:03,733 --> 00:13:06,266 we decided to take her down to my brother Johnny's 161 00:13:06,266 --> 00:13:08,566 and get the family together for a hui, 162 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,666 to discuss her, why she's not acting right. 163 00:13:14,533 --> 00:13:18,000 [indistinct chattering] 164 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,600 Hey, you, come here. 165 00:13:24,266 --> 00:13:27,000 They I think had regular family meetings 166 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,033 to discuss anything that popped up, 167 00:13:29,033 --> 00:13:31,133 which is quite a lovely traditional way, 168 00:13:31,133 --> 00:13:35,266 I mean maybe it's the way we all were generations ago. 169 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:40,166 And unfortunately the grandmother had died 170 00:13:40,766 --> 00:13:44,000 and she had been a great matriarch of this family 171 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,433 for a long time and she would always take charge 172 00:13:47,433 --> 00:13:49,566 in situations like this, but she wasn't there. 173 00:13:55,533 --> 00:13:57,466 [interrogator] At those meetings is there someone 174 00:13:57,466 --> 00:14:00,466 who is in charge or does the talking, how does that work? 175 00:14:01,766 --> 00:14:07,433 Yeah, that's John, he's like the head of our family. 176 00:14:12,233 --> 00:14:14,533 [Glenys] Everyone put their ideas together, 177 00:14:15,566 --> 00:14:18,266 to work out what the problem was with Jan. 178 00:14:23,466 --> 00:14:25,533 Normally she's happy go lucky, yeah. 179 00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:30,200 We all knew something was very wrong. 180 00:14:32,766 --> 00:14:34,333 Something deep. 181 00:14:42,733 --> 00:14:46,266 [girl] She didn't have no tears or nothing, 182 00:14:46,666 --> 00:14:50,766 she was just sitting there and as hot as she was 183 00:14:50,766 --> 00:14:53,466 she still wouldn't take off her jacket. 184 00:14:54,766 --> 00:14:58,700 People were just coming up to her saying, 185 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:03,033 "I'm sorry if I hurt you in any way," stuff like that, 186 00:15:03,366 --> 00:15:06,533 "We're all here for you, we all love you," and everything. 187 00:15:07,666 --> 00:15:10,133 [interrogator] And did Janet talk at the meeting? 188 00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:15,133 She was just staring at the ground and stuff. 189 00:15:15,466 --> 00:15:19,200 [disorientating chattering] 190 00:15:25,066 --> 00:15:30,200 - [water pouring] - [ominous music] 191 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,400 It's very difficult to be certain 192 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,666 about what was actually happening to Janet, 193 00:15:47,666 --> 00:15:49,533 but all of the evidence that I saw 194 00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:53,266 suggested that she was becoming psychotic 195 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:58,300 and that she was having extreme changes in her mood. 196 00:15:58,733 --> 00:16:01,033 It's very common for people 197 00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:04,566 to incorporate the things that others are saying 198 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:08,133 and the things that others are doing into your psychosis 199 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:11,700 and that reinforces for people around that person 200 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:15,166 the way in which they might have understood that behavior. 201 00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:16,733 [woman] It might be depression. 202 00:16:16,733 --> 00:16:18,733 [disorientating chattering] 203 00:16:18,733 --> 00:16:21,366 [Rees] You can imagine then how it's very easy 204 00:16:21,366 --> 00:16:23,566 to get in a bit of a vicious cycle. 205 00:16:26,566 --> 00:16:28,266 But it's important to remember 206 00:16:28,266 --> 00:16:32,166 that whilst I might have a particular medical paradigm 207 00:16:32,166 --> 00:16:34,766 of the way in which I view and approach mental illness, 208 00:16:36,433 --> 00:16:38,633 not everybody shares that paradigm. 209 00:16:42,166 --> 00:16:44,166 [Pouroto speaking in a foreign language] 210 00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:45,733 is my ancestral mountain. 211 00:16:46,566 --> 00:16:49,533 [speaking in a foreign language] is my tribe. 212 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,700 [speaking Maori language] where I live. 213 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:57,700 [speaking Maori language] 214 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,033 and Pouroto Ngaropo was my name. 215 00:17:00,033 --> 00:17:03,466 I've had the privilege and honor to be a cultural advisor 216 00:17:03,466 --> 00:17:06,000 to the prime minister of New Zealand, 217 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,500 the very honorable Helen Clark. 218 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:10,533 You can only run so far from a spiritual world 219 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:12,233 and from a Maori point of view... 220 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:15,733 we are both spirit, [speaking Maori language] 221 00:17:15,733 --> 00:17:18,000 and human, [speaking in a foreign language]. 222 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:21,766 Over the last 200 years 223 00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:25,133 there has been a process of colonization 224 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:28,400 where a lot of our own beliefs and values 225 00:17:29,033 --> 00:17:30,466 have been replaced. 226 00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:35,166 It's important to hold fast to traditional Maori beliefs, 227 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,400 Maori culture, Maori customs and practices, 228 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,200 in particular... Maori spirituality. 229 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,766 Those that are believers, those who have the knowledge 230 00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:50,000 and recognition and respect for the spiritual realm 231 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,033 know there are things in the spiritual world 232 00:17:52,033 --> 00:17:53,433 which are positive 233 00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:57,333 and there are also spirits that are of a negative nature. 234 00:17:58,066 --> 00:18:01,200 [heavy breathing] 235 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,300 [interrogator] What else was talked about at the meeting? 236 00:18:08,066 --> 00:18:10,666 [ominous music] 237 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,600 There was a lion statue 238 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,066 which had actually been stolen several weeks before 239 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:26,700 from the Greytown Hotel. 240 00:18:33,566 --> 00:18:37,266 [girl] Jan's sister, she had taken it off 241 00:18:37,266 --> 00:18:42,533 from Greytown, which was a lion, a white lion. 242 00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:46,133 - It's so heavy. - Oh it hurts my muscles. 243 00:18:46,133 --> 00:18:47,600 [Heather Kavan] My recollection was is 244 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,166 that they stole the lion 245 00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:52,000 because they thought it would be a meaningful symbol 246 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,566 to have decorating the house. 247 00:18:55,666 --> 00:18:59,166 John had a tattoo of a lion, 248 00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:03,033 the lion in fact was one of the family symbols 249 00:19:03,033 --> 00:19:05,366 and a symbol of their sports group. 250 00:19:06,766 --> 00:19:08,266 My name is Heather Kavan, 251 00:19:08,266 --> 00:19:11,066 I'm a lecturer at Massey University. 252 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:14,266 I research extraordinary religious experiences. 253 00:19:14,266 --> 00:19:17,200 I made a study of the Moses manslaughter trial 254 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,100 and felt a connection with the case 255 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,566 because I was raised on Wainuiomata 256 00:19:21,566 --> 00:19:25,266 and Wainuiomata is a place, well it's suburbia, 257 00:19:25,266 --> 00:19:28,133 it's surrounded by three hills, very cutoff, 258 00:19:28,133 --> 00:19:31,166 but there are pockets of intense spirituality. 259 00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:45,366 [speaking in foreign language] My name is Tamati Cairns, 260 00:19:45,366 --> 00:19:50,300 I'm from Wainuiomata or resident of Wainuiomata 261 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:53,033 and have been since 1981. 262 00:19:53,633 --> 00:19:56,300 I used to deliver the social work program back home. 263 00:19:57,033 --> 00:20:00,500 At one particular session we had Hohepa Kereopa, 264 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,733 took us down to the little stream in Waymanner, he said, 265 00:20:03,733 --> 00:20:06,333 "Choose a little stone," he says, 266 00:20:06,333 --> 00:20:10,166 "Now name your stone around someone 267 00:20:10,166 --> 00:20:12,133 or something special in your life." 268 00:20:13,166 --> 00:20:14,400 So we all did 269 00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:18,633 and then Hohepa conducted traditional karakia 270 00:20:19,466 --> 00:20:21,366 I named my [speaking in a foreign language] 271 00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:22,766 after my [speaking in a foreign language], 272 00:20:22,766 --> 00:20:25,500 who's in this photo, [speaking in a foreign language] 273 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,066 and after karakia he said, 274 00:20:27,066 --> 00:20:31,733 "Well, if your heart is where you decision was 275 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:36,766 and you believe in the power of karakia, 276 00:20:37,266 --> 00:20:38,500 then that stone is now a 277 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:40,166 [speaking in a foreign language]. 278 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:47,333 In the case of the lion Janet believed 279 00:20:48,366 --> 00:20:49,566 that there was something wrong. 280 00:20:51,466 --> 00:20:54,266 That condition is in the eyes of the believer. 281 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:58,266 Not in our interpretation and translation, 282 00:20:59,733 --> 00:21:02,400 or what we think it is, it is what it is. 283 00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:07,233 [Tusha] Family members accompany Janet 284 00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:09,733 to the small flat in Wainuiomata 285 00:21:09,733 --> 00:21:12,566 which was actually the home of her grandfather. 286 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:19,533 [girl] We set up the bedroom for Janet to sleep in, 287 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:23,000 but she didn't want to sleep in there 288 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,133 and she slept in Karl's bed in the lounge. 289 00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,566 [screaming] 290 00:22:05,666 --> 00:22:06,700 [door creaking] 291 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:21,433 I was brought up to know about spirits and all of that, 292 00:22:23,033 --> 00:22:26,000 but how I was brought up, when you take something from 293 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,666 [speaking Maori language] or wherever it was taken, 294 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,433 yes she would be hit, something will happen to you, 295 00:22:33,433 --> 00:22:35,433 but it always hits the weakest. 296 00:22:37,433 --> 00:22:38,766 And because Janet being 297 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:40,466 the sickly one out of all of them, 298 00:22:40,466 --> 00:22:42,600 yes, it would have hit Janet. 299 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,666 [phone ringing] 300 00:22:51,566 --> 00:22:54,200 -About midnight Alene rang, 301 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,066 says we've got to get 'round to Dad's 302 00:22:57,066 --> 00:23:00,433 'cause sister Ollie, or Janet's mom, 303 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,200 she was starting to get scared. 304 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,600 [crying] 305 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:11,733 [Janet] No no no... 306 00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:15,733 No no no... 307 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,600 - We were up all Sunday night with her. 308 00:23:25,233 --> 00:23:28,766 - They contacted an uncle, Jimmy Rahi, 309 00:23:28,766 --> 00:23:32,466 a tohunga, a Maori priest if you like. 310 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,266 [Grant Burston] The prosecution didn't question 311 00:23:36,266 --> 00:23:39,200 the calling in the tohunga. 312 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,700 It was entirely appropriate in Maori culture. 313 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:48,200 Tohunga is the medium 314 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,400 between the spiritual and the physical, 315 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,300 the axis mundi. 316 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,600 It's like consulting the pastor of a church. 317 00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:03,533 They would trust absolutely 318 00:24:03,533 --> 00:24:05,633 in the tohunga's advice given them. 319 00:24:05,633 --> 00:24:08,600 That advice was, you know, was like cause root. 320 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,433 [speaking Maori language] 321 00:24:39,666 --> 00:24:44,666 [speaking Maori language] 322 00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,466 It was only until Jimmy came out 323 00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:05,366 that were told that it was... 324 00:25:07,766 --> 00:25:09,300 makutu. 325 00:25:10,666 --> 00:25:13,366 [spooky music] 326 00:25:23,333 --> 00:25:25,033 [interrogator] Tell me about the curse, 327 00:25:25,033 --> 00:25:27,100 what do you mean when you say the curse? 328 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,700 It's... 329 00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:35,733 like a Maori curse. 330 00:25:37,233 --> 00:25:42,633 It kind of makes you... mentally sick I think it is. 331 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,500 It's kind of hard to explain. 332 00:25:48,133 --> 00:25:52,533 [speaking Maori language] 333 00:25:52,733 --> 00:25:55,500 Makutu is not something 334 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:59,000 that might be regarded as an oddity, 335 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,466 it is simply part and parcel 336 00:26:01,466 --> 00:26:06,100 of a Maori understanding of life. 337 00:26:06,466 --> 00:26:11,266 [speaking Maori language] 338 00:26:11,266 --> 00:26:13,466 In traditional times makutu 339 00:26:13,466 --> 00:26:15,266 was used as a means of protection 340 00:26:15,266 --> 00:26:17,400 or a revenge mechanism 341 00:26:18,066 --> 00:26:20,366 if someone had killed or hurt your family. 342 00:26:20,366 --> 00:26:23,166 [speaking Maori language] 343 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:26,600 It's really cursing them and damaging their soul, 344 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,566 their mind, their heart and who they are. 345 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,766 It's extremely difficult 346 00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:36,766 for a Pakeha New Zealand European person 347 00:26:37,233 --> 00:26:39,366 to get information from Maori 348 00:26:39,366 --> 00:26:41,000 about makutu 349 00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:44,100 but I did manage to find one piece of information 350 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,766 which is a PHD thesis written by Clive Clinton. 351 00:26:47,766 --> 00:26:51,133 Maori told him that they often thought 352 00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:54,533 that white Pakeha doctors 353 00:26:54,533 --> 00:26:59,000 misdiagnosed makutu afflictions 354 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000 as psychiatric illnesses. 355 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:04,300 [interrogator] What happened next? 356 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,566 [speaking Maori language] 357 00:27:06,566 --> 00:27:10,366 Blessed her with water, you know like a church christening 358 00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:14,300 and the karakia to ward off the evil. 359 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,133 [speaking Maori language] 360 00:27:17,133 --> 00:27:19,633 [Glenys] You never talk about this sort of thing, you know. 361 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,666 In 1814 our ancestors were introduced to Christianity 362 00:27:25,666 --> 00:27:27,400 and only in the Bay of Islands 363 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,733 and now that's become sort of one of the ways 364 00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:32,466 in how our people see our own concepts. 365 00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:34,633 There was a whole shift away 366 00:27:34,633 --> 00:27:38,100 from the spiritual structure of Maori society 367 00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:40,700 and now we are confronted 368 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,233 with makutu, 369 00:27:42,233 --> 00:27:44,500 how well do we understand actually what's happening. 370 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,366 [speaking Maori language] 371 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:49,500 And what is it that we're doing 372 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,700 to ensure we have the right advice 373 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,133 around us? 374 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,433 At this point Jimmy Rahi had a revelation, 375 00:28:01,433 --> 00:28:03,200 a revelation 376 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,266 that would change the course of events dramatically. 377 00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:13,466 He said that he had a vision of three claws and Janet. 378 00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:24,500 He advised the family 379 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:28,033 that they had to return the stone lion to Greytown 380 00:28:28,033 --> 00:28:31,000 because it had a mate there that was missing it 381 00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:35,666 and that it was very important that they were reunited. 382 00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:39,166 [John] Jimmy said 383 00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,166 the lions had been together for over 100 years. 384 00:28:43,233 --> 00:28:44,566 [interrogator] And what did Jimmy do? 385 00:28:46,033 --> 00:28:48,133 I think he blessed the [speaking Maori language] 386 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,500 and he said the lion had to go back. 387 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,666 [speaking Maori language] 388 00:28:58,666 --> 00:29:02,100 A spiritual possession is a very serious matter, 389 00:29:03,566 --> 00:29:05,500 it's a life and death thing, isn't it? 390 00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:10,166 The tohunga's role is to protect life, 391 00:29:11,633 --> 00:29:15,066 to look after the spiritual and protect the family. 392 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,566 [chanting in a foreign language] 393 00:29:27,033 --> 00:29:29,500 [spooky music] 394 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,233 [calm piano music] 395 00:29:51,233 --> 00:29:53,200 [Tusha] So the following day on a Tuesday 396 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,533 there was a convoy, about eight or nine vehicles 397 00:29:56,533 --> 00:29:59,666 went over to the Wairarapa from Wainuiomata, 398 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:01,633 back to the Greytown Hotel. 399 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000 From that point on many of them 400 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,100 didn't in fact even go to work for a week, 401 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:12,400 they were with her all the time, they kept watch over her, 402 00:30:13,033 --> 00:30:15,633 they were dedicated to her welfare. 403 00:30:18,766 --> 00:30:23,666 Janet was there, Jimmy Rahi was there, Janet's namesake, 404 00:30:23,666 --> 00:30:26,133 her paternal grandmother was there, 405 00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:29,200 we know that because there was an incident 406 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,333 that alarmed a lot of people. 407 00:30:32,633 --> 00:30:35,300 [ominous music] 408 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,033 [John] Janet. 409 00:30:43,033 --> 00:30:45,433 No no no no no no no no no no, 410 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,733 no you, no you, no you, no you, no no, 411 00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:50,233 you shouldn't even be here. 412 00:30:50,233 --> 00:30:51,633 What're you doing here? 413 00:30:51,633 --> 00:30:53,433 [mumbling] 414 00:30:53,433 --> 00:30:55,366 - No no no no. - Come on girl calm down. 415 00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:56,366 No no no no. 416 00:30:56,366 --> 00:30:57,466 [John] Calm down, are you alright? 417 00:30:58,033 --> 00:30:59,733 - When this car stops I'm gonna kill you. - [John] Janet! 418 00:30:59,733 --> 00:31:02,166 When this car stops I'm gonna kill you, 419 00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:06,333 I'm gonna kill you. [shouting] 420 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:08,233 [Janet] I'm gonna kill you! 421 00:31:08,233 --> 00:31:09,566 [screaming] 422 00:31:09,566 --> 00:31:12,566 [Janet] I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna kill you. 423 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,733 - [crying] - [screaming] 424 00:31:30,466 --> 00:31:32,300 [gasping] 425 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,166 [interrogator] And what happened over at Greytown? 426 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,533 We had parked outside of a pub 427 00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:48,733 [sniffles] 428 00:31:50,133 --> 00:31:56,033 ...and we walked around the back and the lion was taken out. 429 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,500 [religious singing] 430 00:32:34,466 --> 00:32:38,533 [speaking Maori language] 431 00:33:17,066 --> 00:33:20,066 In the spiritual domain of Maoridom 432 00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:25,133 it's all about goodness and love, not about death. 433 00:33:30,266 --> 00:33:31,533 It's done now girl. 434 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,566 [Pouroto] I believe within my heart 435 00:33:34,566 --> 00:33:36,633 they would know within their family... 436 00:33:36,633 --> 00:33:38,066 You're alright girl. 437 00:33:38,766 --> 00:33:41,200 [Pouroto] ...that through the power of prayer, 438 00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:43,400 through the power of goodness, 439 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,066 all these curses can be lifted. 440 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:57,733 [Phil] Apparently in the hours that followed she improved, 441 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,700 everyone felt like there had been quite a weight lifted 442 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:06,300 and things were going to improve from that time on. 443 00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:16,100 We came back to Wainilly from Greytown 444 00:34:16,633 --> 00:34:19,633 and I think everybody went to Karl's 445 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,633 and then we had feed of-- of fish and chips. 446 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:30,366 [indistinct chattering] 447 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,400 [laughing] 448 00:34:45,366 --> 00:34:47,233 The tohunga said to them, "Well, you know, 449 00:34:47,233 --> 00:34:49,066 I've done what I can now, 450 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:52,266 you've returned the lion and she looks much better." 451 00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:57,400 I think this is one of the tragic turning points 452 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,300 of what happened. 453 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:03,300 [speaking Maori language] 454 00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:12,233 [woman] What Uncle's been saying is that Janet's... 455 00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:17,633 Out of the three things that were in her, 456 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,400 I think two of them was to do with the lion 457 00:35:24,133 --> 00:35:27,033 and the last one was to do with... 458 00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:30,266 her... Shane. 459 00:35:31,366 --> 00:35:33,333 It had to do with her partner 460 00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:37,300 and she was getting mental and verbal abuse from him. 461 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,466 Uncle Jimmy said that he'd done his part, 462 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,533 but he wouldn't do the relationship with Shane part, 463 00:35:46,066 --> 00:35:47,733 that was for the family to do. 464 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,766 [speaking Maori language] 465 00:35:51,766 --> 00:35:55,333 Unfortunately some scheduled medical treatment 466 00:35:55,333 --> 00:35:57,366 required the tohunga 467 00:35:57,366 --> 00:35:59,633 to be hospitalized for a number of days 468 00:35:59,633 --> 00:36:03,500 so that took him away from being able 469 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,533 to be brought back in to help the family 470 00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:09,233 when things didn't go well. 471 00:36:13,033 --> 00:36:14,600 [Gladys] We were a close family 472 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,400 and we'd always get together to solve our problems. 473 00:36:21,466 --> 00:36:23,700 And the people who've passed on 474 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,666 are always there to guide you. 475 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,000 [group] ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 476 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,633 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 477 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:42,066 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 478 00:36:43,066 --> 00:36:47,133 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 479 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,466 Addressing the demon that they believed was inside her, 480 00:36:52,466 --> 00:36:57,200 they said over and over and over again. 481 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,166 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 482 00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:05,366 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 483 00:37:05,366 --> 00:37:10,733 Coming, they're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 484 00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:13,333 The money, the money, the money. 485 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:14,600 That's that's that's that's 486 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,333 that's that's that's that's that's that's. 487 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,500 [group] ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 488 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,033 [Gladys] She was trying to tell us something, 489 00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:23,366 it was like a jigsaw, 490 00:37:24,766 --> 00:37:28,100 trying to put the pieces together to work it out 491 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:32,200 and then when we did, it would write itself out. 492 00:37:33,066 --> 00:37:36,400 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 493 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,700 ♪ Go with peace and love ♪ 494 00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:46,233 [group reciting] Go with peace and love. 495 00:37:47,133 --> 00:37:49,733 Go with peace and love. 496 00:37:51,066 --> 00:37:53,466 Go with peace and love. 497 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,733 Go with peace and love. 498 00:37:57,733 --> 00:38:02,466 [Gladys] Lord Jesus we have come together in your name 499 00:38:02,466 --> 00:38:07,166 and it is written that whatever we ask shall be given. 500 00:38:08,133 --> 00:38:13,466 We ask for complete and full healing for Janet Moses. 501 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,433 We ask this in your name, Jesus, 502 00:38:16,733 --> 00:38:18,400 thank you lord. 503 00:38:19,433 --> 00:38:23,366 We have received your blessings for this child... 504 00:38:23,366 --> 00:38:24,500 [group] ...and love. 505 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:25,700 [Glenys] ...amen. 506 00:38:27,266 --> 00:38:29,433 [group] Go with peace and love. 507 00:38:29,433 --> 00:38:32,233 Go with peace and love. 508 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,466 Go with peace and love. 509 00:38:37,033 --> 00:38:39,033 [Glenys] Everyone to do their waters 510 00:38:39,033 --> 00:38:40,466 and clear themselves first 511 00:38:40,466 --> 00:38:42,100 before the karakia. 512 00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,466 Then in the middle of the circle 513 00:38:44,466 --> 00:38:47,566 surrounded by everyone holding hands, 514 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,233 saying the karakia. 515 00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:52,766 Jan's waters to be done. 516 00:38:52,766 --> 00:38:56,033 [group] Go with peace and love. 517 00:38:56,033 --> 00:38:59,033 - Drink it. - [group] Go with peace and love. 518 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,100 This family had a long association with water, 519 00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:05,700 they had rituals of which they'd learned 520 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,633 from their grandmother and they used to talk about, 521 00:39:08,633 --> 00:39:10,000 I can remember during the trial, 522 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,600 they would talk about doing their waters 523 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,400 to safeguard themselves. 524 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,466 [Glenys] Everyone must believe in their heart 525 00:39:16,466 --> 00:39:18,066 that this will happen, 526 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,533 not just in their heads or saying the words, 527 00:39:23,566 --> 00:39:27,466 it takes just one person not to believe in their heart 528 00:39:28,633 --> 00:39:30,400 and it will not work. 529 00:39:30,766 --> 00:39:32,566 But they all seemed to do it 530 00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:34,333 and the defense generally was 531 00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:36,033 she consented 532 00:39:36,033 --> 00:39:38,433 to being involved in this process 533 00:39:39,133 --> 00:39:42,200 and they, the participants genuinely believed 534 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,600 that what they were doing was to help her. 535 00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:50,166 [Grant Burston] But this is a family that 536 00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:53,466 deeply respected their elders 537 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,733 and who's Janet to question 538 00:39:57,733 --> 00:40:01,133 that they're doing what they're doing in her best interests? 539 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,366 They didn't ask or consider the question 540 00:40:04,366 --> 00:40:06,033 whether Janet was consenting. 541 00:40:06,033 --> 00:40:09,633 [haunting music] 542 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,666 [Phil] She could have said, "No, I don't want any part of this." 543 00:40:16,666 --> 00:40:18,400 From time to time she was sitting outside 544 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,600 having a cigarette with her cousins. 545 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,700 She could've just got up and walked away. 546 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,633 And she didn't. 547 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,233 [Heather] There were two Janet's, 548 00:40:41,233 --> 00:40:46,100 there was the Janet who went outside, had a smoke break, 549 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:50,000 was happy to go back inside when it was time to start again 550 00:40:50,466 --> 00:40:55,500 and then there was the Janet who screamed, she yelled. 551 00:40:57,233 --> 00:40:58,666 There were two Janets 552 00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:03,600 so who do you decide is the one that consented. 553 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,000 No no no no no. 554 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,533 - [screaming] - No no no no no. 555 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:07,566 [screaming] 556 00:41:07,566 --> 00:41:10,033 No no no no no no no. 557 00:41:10,033 --> 00:41:14,000 No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. 558 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,400 No no no no no no no no no no. 559 00:41:18,433 --> 00:41:20,666 [groaning] 560 00:41:27,266 --> 00:41:29,500 Get out, get out of her! 561 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,033 You leave her alone. You cannot have her! 562 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,133 [woman] Go with peace and love. 563 00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:38,766 [group] Go with peace and love. 564 00:41:38,766 --> 00:41:41,000 Go with peace and love. 565 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,066 Go with peace and love. 566 00:41:45,066 --> 00:41:49,033 Go with peace and love. 567 00:41:49,033 --> 00:41:53,000 Go with peace and love. 568 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,266 Go with peace and love. 569 00:41:57,266 --> 00:42:01,433 Go with peace and love. 570 00:42:01,433 --> 00:42:04,766 [Viv] My name is Viv Bebbington 571 00:42:04,766 --> 00:42:07,666 and I live right opposite the house. 572 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:12,466 I could hear everything, chanting inside and stomping, 573 00:42:12,466 --> 00:42:16,733 boom boom boom boom, over here you know? 574 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,566 It was deafening here. 575 00:42:19,566 --> 00:42:21,233 [group] Go with peace and love. 576 00:42:21,233 --> 00:42:23,766 [Viv] Mind you there's so many people, it was apes there, 577 00:42:24,366 --> 00:42:26,200 that place was chocker, man, 578 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,000 but some of them couldn't get in. 579 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,066 [speaking Maori language] 580 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,666 One of Janet's paternal relatives suggested, 581 00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:41,633 "Let's get in another tohunga." 582 00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:48,533 The Rawiri family didn't want to do that. 583 00:42:51,266 --> 00:42:53,100 [Gail] Certain one's weren't allowed 584 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:54,733 at the place where Janet was. 585 00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:56,766 Certain one's weren't allowed in, 586 00:42:56,766 --> 00:43:01,233 I'm talking like ministers and all of that, I mean why? 587 00:43:02,466 --> 00:43:04,366 These people could've helped. 588 00:43:06,733 --> 00:43:09,433 [Viv] When John come past, he said, 589 00:43:09,433 --> 00:43:11,766 "I'll keep my daughter company," he come past, 590 00:43:11,766 --> 00:43:13,700 they wouldn't let him in the house, 591 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,466 it's bloody sad because John would've got other help 592 00:43:18,233 --> 00:43:22,166 I'm sure, I'm sure, he would've got other help. 593 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,000 [man] I'm not a minister but I'll normally do that, 594 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,133 address people who are sick, that's why I went up there, 595 00:43:31,133 --> 00:43:32,366 but a lot of it was, 596 00:43:32,366 --> 00:43:34,333 they weren't too sure what was happening. 597 00:43:35,066 --> 00:43:39,266 A lot of people want to know more about their... 598 00:43:40,266 --> 00:43:42,733 [speaking in a foreign language], culture? 599 00:43:42,733 --> 00:43:45,066 [man speaking off mic] 600 00:43:45,066 --> 00:43:47,533 They want to know more about their culture. 601 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,733 But they don't know the language 602 00:43:50,733 --> 00:43:52,400 and they don't know the protocol 603 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000 and they think they can just do this, they're gonna do that, 604 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,066 if you don't know, well you do it the wrong way, 605 00:43:59,066 --> 00:44:01,633 well, that's what happens. 606 00:44:06,133 --> 00:44:08,666 [ominous music] 607 00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:13,333 Wednesday evening things really started to intensify 608 00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:14,666 within that flat. 609 00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,100 [Heather] There's mixed testimony 610 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:23,700 over why Janet wanted to be in the shower. 611 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,033 One theory is that 612 00:44:26,033 --> 00:44:30,600 because she frequently showered her grandmother who died, 613 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,200 she wished to, you know, go back and recreate 614 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,700 that nostalgic experience for herself. 615 00:44:40,633 --> 00:44:42,500 When Janet got up, 616 00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:44,766 she'd head to the shower, 617 00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:49,433 she turned it on, hot you know, 618 00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:53,700 and I turned it back to cold. 619 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,466 [Janet screaming] 620 00:45:01,466 --> 00:45:05,600 [girl] They were saying that was our weapon kind of thing 621 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,100 against the demon. 622 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,133 Was cold water. 623 00:45:14,333 --> 00:45:15,500 - Keep the water cold. - [screaming] 624 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,466 Keep it cold, no no no girl. 625 00:45:17,466 --> 00:45:20,200 We love you girl, it's all good, it's all good. 626 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,166 - [screaming] - Come on, we love you girl. 627 00:45:22,166 --> 00:45:24,433 [screaming] 628 00:45:25,466 --> 00:45:27,733 - You could see the blackness rising up from her eyes, 629 00:45:27,733 --> 00:45:29,133 and they would... 630 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,633 just get real big. 631 00:45:33,266 --> 00:45:34,633 [screaming] 632 00:45:34,633 --> 00:45:37,233 [Glenys] Don't fight, don't struggle, we love you, 633 00:45:37,233 --> 00:45:38,633 stay under the cold, that's it. 634 00:45:38,633 --> 00:45:40,033 [interrogator] But who said, 635 00:45:40,033 --> 00:45:41,633 "Evil spirits don't like cold water?" 636 00:45:41,633 --> 00:45:45,166 [eerie music] 637 00:45:46,266 --> 00:45:47,600 -She did come right, 638 00:45:50,066 --> 00:45:51,566 spit up all this mucus. 639 00:45:59,266 --> 00:46:01,600 - It was wiped up with-- using a towel 640 00:46:02,166 --> 00:46:04,700 and then it was decided that the makutu was on the towel 641 00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,333 and that no one else could use the bathroom 642 00:46:08,133 --> 00:46:11,100 where the toilet and shower were located. 643 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,100 [Grant] Out came the vomit, out came the demon. 644 00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:19,366 The purpose of the water, 645 00:46:19,366 --> 00:46:23,166 then turned from the purification of the body 646 00:46:23,666 --> 00:46:29,566 to an instrument to cause vomiting and so it escalated. 647 00:46:46,433 --> 00:46:50,166 [Shane] Janet, Janet! 648 00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:57,600 Where did, [mumbling] 649 00:47:18,166 --> 00:47:20,033 [interrogator] So Shane was around. 650 00:47:21,366 --> 00:47:23,033 Did Janet want to see him? 651 00:47:24,033 --> 00:47:25,600 Nobody had asked her. 652 00:47:27,766 --> 00:47:30,200 She couldn't make decisions for herself. 653 00:47:32,633 --> 00:47:33,633 Come. 654 00:47:39,733 --> 00:47:41,000 [Shane] Janet. 655 00:47:43,166 --> 00:47:44,233 Jan! 656 00:47:45,466 --> 00:47:46,500 Janet! 657 00:47:49,066 --> 00:47:50,633 [Glenys] He was part of the problem. 658 00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:52,566 [Shane] Janet! 659 00:47:52,566 --> 00:47:54,766 [mumbling] 660 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,333 That's what we've been doing as a family, 661 00:47:58,766 --> 00:48:02,400 to keep him away from her, to get her well again. 662 00:48:04,066 --> 00:48:05,366 She don't want to see you. 663 00:48:05,366 --> 00:48:07,366 We're taking care of your shit. 664 00:48:07,366 --> 00:48:09,700 [shouting] 665 00:48:11,466 --> 00:48:13,233 You don't need to be here. 666 00:48:13,233 --> 00:48:16,200 [spooky music] 667 00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:20,633 [Phil] It started a downward spiral if you like, 668 00:48:20,633 --> 00:48:25,333 the family lacking any sort of external contact. 669 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,000 It was so closed and... 670 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,400 insular and suffocating. 671 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,733 Look at her eyes, 672 00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,066 look at her eyes. 673 00:48:47,433 --> 00:48:48,466 Janet? 674 00:48:59,433 --> 00:49:03,200 [speaking Maori language] You lie down, come on girl. 675 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,066 Whoever wasn't in there for that 676 00:49:05,066 --> 00:49:07,133 at that time will never understand. 677 00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,566 Come on girl, come on, come on. 678 00:49:09,566 --> 00:49:11,633 [crying] 679 00:49:13,066 --> 00:49:15,466 [group] Go with peace and love. 680 00:49:15,466 --> 00:49:17,766 Go with peace and love. 681 00:49:17,766 --> 00:49:20,333 Go with peace and love. 682 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:22,666 Go with peace and love. 683 00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:25,400 Go with peace and love. 684 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,733 Go with peace and love. 685 00:49:26,733 --> 00:49:30,666 Just imagine the pressure, the fear, the anxiety, 686 00:49:30,666 --> 00:49:32,666 the panic that comes down 687 00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:34,600 to your-- actually-- you know, 688 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,233 your love for that person 689 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,766 to stay there and to endure it. 690 00:49:39,733 --> 00:49:43,766 [group chanting] Go with peace and love. 691 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,300 Go with peace and love. 692 00:49:50,166 --> 00:49:51,700 Go with peace and love. 693 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,366 These people were so sleep deprived, 694 00:49:54,366 --> 00:49:58,100 some of them hadn't had sleep for four, five days. 695 00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:00,333 - [group] Go with peace and love. - [stomping] 696 00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:02,566 Go with peace and love. 697 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,633 [Viv] They was carrying on doing their thing. 698 00:50:05,566 --> 00:50:06,766 All of us here 699 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,566 were used to the quietness of the place, 700 00:50:12,433 --> 00:50:13,733 not all that noise. 701 00:50:14,266 --> 00:50:16,166 [group] Go with peace and love. 702 00:50:16,166 --> 00:50:18,033 [Viv] But what can you do? 703 00:50:19,133 --> 00:50:22,700 No one called the police, pull the curtains, and you know... 704 00:50:23,266 --> 00:50:25,300 I've seen enough, that's it. 705 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,600 [Glenys] I said we needed to get together again as a family. 706 00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:40,700 Some of us hadn't seen our children for... 707 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,500 two, three days. 708 00:50:47,066 --> 00:50:49,166 It was about a dozen of our babies. 709 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,133 Me and Jan's mom, 710 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,333 we tried to make them comfortable. 711 00:51:25,633 --> 00:51:27,733 [John] She kept wanting to go to the shower. 712 00:51:28,233 --> 00:51:31,333 Something was saying the evil spirits wanted hot water. 713 00:51:33,366 --> 00:51:35,200 She didn't like the cold water really. 714 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,300 [Glenys] Drink it girl, come on. 715 00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:38,700 You will not give in to this 716 00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,600 [speaking in a foreign language] 717 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,000 [shouting] 718 00:51:45,166 --> 00:51:47,666 [screaming] 719 00:51:47,666 --> 00:51:49,266 Throw it up, girl. 720 00:51:49,266 --> 00:51:51,300 We were in there with her for ages, 721 00:51:54,233 --> 00:51:55,666 felt like bloody hours. 722 00:51:55,666 --> 00:51:58,033 [shouting] 723 00:52:00,666 --> 00:52:02,500 The power was so strong 724 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,400 and here's us fighting it. 725 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,000 [screaming] 726 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,200 [knocking] 727 00:52:13,133 --> 00:52:15,200 And the father was there, him too. 728 00:52:16,166 --> 00:52:18,433 [screaming] 729 00:52:42,566 --> 00:52:45,333 [ominous music] 730 00:52:48,033 --> 00:52:50,266 [shouting] 731 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,333 [gasping] 732 00:53:00,066 --> 00:53:01,266 You gotta get out. 733 00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,100 Do you know who I am? 734 00:53:06,533 --> 00:53:08,066 Do you know who I am? 735 00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,300 I was so exhausted when I came out of there. 736 00:53:19,566 --> 00:53:23,100 It seemed to go on for ages, yeah. 737 00:53:27,033 --> 00:53:29,466 But then suddenly she-- she just came back, 738 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,500 good as gold. 739 00:53:34,566 --> 00:53:36,166 With the Janet of old. 740 00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:39,333 Good as gold. 741 00:53:43,466 --> 00:53:45,266 You need to come home with me. 742 00:53:48,566 --> 00:53:51,533 [Heather] Several times Gerald Moses asked Janet 743 00:53:51,533 --> 00:53:53,133 to leave with him. 744 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,600 He vowed that he was going to return the next morning 745 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,600 and collect his daughter 746 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,066 regardless of her reluctance to leave with him. 747 00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,666 [Glenys] When things calmed down, 748 00:54:23,666 --> 00:54:26,066 we got our baby back in the bed, 749 00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:31,333 and we tried to pacify her 750 00:54:32,466 --> 00:54:34,466 even though we knew she wasn't right. 751 00:54:36,566 --> 00:54:38,533 Everyone was crying, 752 00:54:39,633 --> 00:54:42,566 we were so relieved that she'd calmed down. 753 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:46,433 We let her get some rest. 754 00:54:48,066 --> 00:54:50,266 We felt that she was coming back to herself. 755 00:54:53,633 --> 00:54:55,766 We sat around waiting for her to wake up. 756 00:55:02,033 --> 00:55:03,433 And she'd wake up, 757 00:55:04,733 --> 00:55:06,500 walk around, 758 00:55:07,733 --> 00:55:09,133 go back to sleep. 759 00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:16,233 Janet changed again. 760 00:55:20,533 --> 00:55:21,600 I went to sleep 761 00:55:24,766 --> 00:55:27,233 and when I woke up it was a catastrophe. 762 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,433 [mumbling] 763 00:55:38,433 --> 00:55:40,700 Hey Janet, you alright, Janet? 764 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:45,066 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 765 00:55:45,066 --> 00:55:48,000 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 766 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,433 John! 767 00:55:49,433 --> 00:55:56,266 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming! 768 00:55:56,266 --> 00:55:57,766 [Heather] It was at that point 769 00:55:57,766 --> 00:56:00,666 Janet made quite a large change. 770 00:56:00,666 --> 00:56:04,666 She said that she wanted to lay down her life for her family 771 00:56:04,666 --> 00:56:07,466 to sacrifice herself during... 772 00:56:08,233 --> 00:56:10,000 this immanent battle. 773 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,566 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming, 774 00:56:11,566 --> 00:56:14,166 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 775 00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:16,333 [shouting] 776 00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:20,000 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 777 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,033 [shouting] 778 00:56:21,033 --> 00:56:24,466 - What happened? - [shouting] 779 00:56:26,733 --> 00:56:28,333 [screaming] 780 00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:30,400 [Janet] They're coming, they're coming. 781 00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:32,633 They're coming, they're coming. 782 00:56:32,633 --> 00:56:35,433 [shouting] 783 00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:37,600 [screaming] 784 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,766 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 785 00:56:46,266 --> 00:56:48,500 [shouting] 786 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:55,033 Leave us alone. 787 00:56:56,233 --> 00:56:57,700 [shouting] 788 00:57:08,266 --> 00:57:11,733 [girl] She had a necklace like a bone carving 789 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,066 that she got from her nan. 790 00:57:18,566 --> 00:57:22,466 They were saying that... the demon 791 00:57:22,466 --> 00:57:25,300 was getting all its strength from the bone carving. 792 00:57:27,766 --> 00:57:30,066 Johnny, get the scissors. 793 00:57:30,066 --> 00:57:32,266 [coughing] 794 00:57:37,133 --> 00:57:41,133 Okay, just-- no, come on, just a moment, 795 00:57:41,133 --> 00:57:43,400 you'll feel better come on. 796 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,566 Come on. 797 00:57:45,533 --> 00:57:49,066 Come on you'll feel better, come on, come on. 798 00:57:50,433 --> 00:57:51,666 That's it. 799 00:57:51,666 --> 00:57:53,266 [John] Lie down, come on. 800 00:57:53,766 --> 00:57:55,266 Get some water. 801 00:57:55,266 --> 00:57:57,466 [coughing] 802 00:58:02,633 --> 00:58:06,066 Yep, come on Janet, some water, drink some water. 803 00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:08,200 [moaning] 804 00:58:09,566 --> 00:58:11,666 [Glenys] Come on, come on. 805 00:58:11,666 --> 00:58:13,600 [John] Come on. This is good for you, alright? 806 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,000 [moaning] 807 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,766 [John] That's gonna clean it out, come on. 808 00:58:16,766 --> 00:58:18,366 - One more. - One more. 809 00:58:18,366 --> 00:58:20,433 [coughing] 810 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,300 [woman] Go with peace and love. 811 00:58:27,166 --> 00:58:31,466 Go with peace and love. 812 00:58:32,033 --> 00:58:36,266 Go with peace and love. 813 00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:40,766 Go with peace and love. 814 00:58:41,433 --> 00:58:45,733 Go with peace and love. 815 00:58:45,733 --> 00:58:48,266 - [John] Give me some water. - [group] Go with peace and love. 816 00:58:48,266 --> 00:58:50,566 - [group] Go with peace and love. - [John] More water. 817 00:58:50,566 --> 00:58:55,200 [group] Go with peace and love. 818 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,200 Go with peace and love. 819 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,266 The children had no access to the bathroom, 820 00:59:03,266 --> 00:59:07,666 in fact nobody had any access to the bathroom. 821 00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:11,333 When people needed to relieve themselves 822 00:59:11,333 --> 00:59:16,600 they did so into... diapers and nappies and towels 823 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,766 and just into... the clothes that they were wearing, 824 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,333 so it became an increasingly... 825 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,200 strange behavior. 826 00:59:31,466 --> 00:59:34,066 - [group] Go with peace and love. - [crying] 827 00:59:34,066 --> 00:59:38,400 [group] Go with peace and love. 828 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,600 Go with peace and love. 829 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,033 Go with peace and love. 830 00:59:47,033 --> 00:59:51,300 Go with peace and love. 831 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,500 Go with peace and love. 832 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:59,666 Go with peace and love. 833 00:59:59,666 --> 01:00:02,466 Go with peace and love. 834 01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:05,233 [Glenys] Come on Jan, come on baby, come on. 835 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:12,233 [group] Go with peace and love. 836 01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:15,433 We love you, we're gonna get it from you now. 837 01:00:15,433 --> 01:00:19,666 Come on girl, good girl, have a bit more. 838 01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:22,533 [groaning] 839 01:00:22,533 --> 01:00:25,566 Go with peace and love, come out from her now! 840 01:00:25,566 --> 01:00:31,433 [group] Go with peace and love. 841 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,200 Go with peace and love. 842 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,733 [girl] It was initially Janet that was fighting him. 843 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,300 It was the demon inside of her... 844 01:00:43,566 --> 01:00:49,100 and... the demon was like pretty feisty and everything. 845 01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:53,200 I can remember her saying... 846 01:00:54,533 --> 01:00:55,766 like... 847 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,433 "Fuck this." 848 01:00:59,166 --> 01:01:03,566 [group] Go with peace and love. 849 01:01:03,566 --> 01:01:08,133 Go with peace and love. 850 01:01:08,133 --> 01:01:14,266 Go with peace and love. 851 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,700 You know we kept thinking it was Shane 852 01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:21,233 that was doing this to our niece. 853 01:01:21,233 --> 01:01:23,333 He said, "no no it was that lion." 854 01:01:24,533 --> 01:01:27,433 It was revenge for splitting them up. 855 01:01:30,633 --> 01:01:35,066 [Heather] The room was intensely hot, a furnace. 856 01:01:36,233 --> 01:01:39,400 [Grant] Everything by this stage was drenched. 857 01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,466 [group] Go with peace and love. 858 01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:47,766 Go with peace and love. 859 01:01:47,766 --> 01:01:49,633 Water was rising in the kitchen 860 01:01:50,633 --> 01:01:53,000 so I stuck steel and put a hole in the floor. 861 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,266 [group] Go with peace and love. 862 01:01:57,266 --> 01:02:01,133 Go with peace and love. 863 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,366 Go with peace and love. 864 01:02:05,733 --> 01:02:09,433 Go with peace and love. 865 01:02:09,766 --> 01:02:13,700 Go with peace and love. 866 01:02:14,366 --> 01:02:18,166 Go with peace and love. 867 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,600 Go with peace and love. 868 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,300 All the eyes of our children were going strange, 869 01:02:26,466 --> 01:02:27,566 evil, 870 01:02:29,366 --> 01:02:32,700 and you could see all these things racing around in them. 871 01:02:35,066 --> 01:02:36,500 You've got something in your eye 872 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:38,066 and it's racing around in there. 873 01:02:38,066 --> 01:02:39,666 How would you get it out? 874 01:02:40,366 --> 01:02:43,466 Without putting your hand in there to grab it out? 875 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:47,400 [group] Go with peace and love. 876 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,766 Some of the people were thinking to themselves 877 01:02:50,766 --> 01:02:53,033 we should take Janet to a hospital, 878 01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:55,700 but they weren't the leaders. 879 01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,466 To even think about saying, 880 01:02:59,466 --> 01:03:01,666 "stop, this might not be right," 881 01:03:01,666 --> 01:03:03,400 they felt they couldn't do it 882 01:03:03,666 --> 01:03:07,200 because if they did well then perhaps they too 883 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,500 were gonna be cursed 884 01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:11,200 and they might end up in Janet's position. 885 01:03:13,166 --> 01:03:16,100 It is the power of the group and what's happening. 886 01:03:17,666 --> 01:03:21,200 I think evil was in each and everyone of us 887 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,733 'cause we were doing things we wouldn't normally do. 888 01:03:28,766 --> 01:03:30,266 And then they made a rule 889 01:03:30,266 --> 01:03:32,633 that you weren't to look into Janet's eyes 890 01:03:32,633 --> 01:03:35,400 in case you too became possessed. 891 01:03:40,533 --> 01:03:42,300 [interrogator] And was Janet talking? 892 01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:43,733 Did she say anything? 893 01:03:46,033 --> 01:03:48,566 There was one part where... 894 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,366 Janet goes, 895 01:03:53,266 --> 01:03:56,166 "Auntie stop, just let me have a breather." 896 01:04:01,166 --> 01:04:03,000 [interrogator] Then what happened? 897 01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:09,066 [girl] They were doing Joshi, 898 01:04:11,133 --> 01:04:15,200 trying to make him, spit up all the yucky stuff in him 899 01:04:16,566 --> 01:04:23,266 then I remember they did it to Les, did her, 900 01:04:24,733 --> 01:04:26,633 and then I remember... 901 01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,033 they... done it to me too. 902 01:04:37,766 --> 01:04:44,500 I don't feel like they were trying to hurt us. 903 01:04:47,566 --> 01:04:49,533 They would've had their reasons. 904 01:04:53,733 --> 01:04:56,766 Get off me it hurts, fuck off! 905 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,033 [crying] 906 01:05:06,066 --> 01:05:10,200 [Heather] They continued on with the teenage girl for hours. 907 01:05:14,666 --> 01:05:18,533 She finally broke free at the same time 908 01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:22,200 that Janet also managed, 909 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,100 with half a dozen people holding her down, 910 01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:27,233 to break free. 911 01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:38,366 However the group interpreted this as 912 01:05:38,366 --> 01:05:42,566 the makutu... doubling its strength 913 01:05:42,566 --> 01:05:45,766 by unifying the teenage girl and Janet 914 01:05:45,766 --> 01:05:51,166 and so these young women who had broken free 915 01:05:51,166 --> 01:05:53,000 were pulled back. 916 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,533 [dramatic piano music] 917 01:06:15,366 --> 01:06:18,233 [Glenys] She became the second lion from Greytown 918 01:06:19,633 --> 01:06:23,500 and it was her and Janet... working together. 919 01:06:28,333 --> 01:06:32,166 These were... sensible people, 920 01:06:32,566 --> 01:06:38,566 they worked, played sport and lived great kiwi life. 921 01:06:42,433 --> 01:06:44,400 Everyone just got caught up in it. 922 01:06:47,033 --> 01:06:50,033 Hysteria is not an uncommon state. 923 01:06:50,766 --> 01:06:54,200 Most of us at times have felt a bit hysterical 924 01:06:55,033 --> 01:06:58,033 and world history is littered with examples, 925 01:06:58,033 --> 01:07:01,033 where very very extreme things are done 926 01:07:01,033 --> 01:07:03,533 on the basis of a set of beliefs 927 01:07:03,533 --> 01:07:06,266 that to many might not make any sense. 928 01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:11,300 [Heather] I think what's going on here 929 01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:14,033 is what would happen to any of us 930 01:07:14,033 --> 01:07:18,100 if we were stuck in a room over five days 931 01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:24,100 with no sleep having little to eat, rhythmic chanting, 932 01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:28,633 40 degree heat, stomping, intense fear, 933 01:07:28,633 --> 01:07:31,766 I think we would all go berserk in that situation. 934 01:07:33,266 --> 01:07:35,700 This is... the human condition. 935 01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:41,400 [Glenys] I know most people won't understand. 936 01:07:46,666 --> 01:07:48,466 Makutu is evil. 937 01:07:51,633 --> 01:07:54,533 You have to find a way of putting it right, 938 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,266 to get the person back to normal again. 939 01:08:02,433 --> 01:08:04,066 I wish I had someone 940 01:08:04,066 --> 01:08:06,333 who could relate this to the police, 'cause... 941 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,233 I'm finding it very hard to do on my own. 942 01:08:11,233 --> 01:08:14,466 [dramatic piano music] 943 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,233 [Grant] The mechanism in dying through drowning 944 01:08:31,233 --> 01:08:37,266 on dry land or through a motion in water is the same. 945 01:08:37,266 --> 01:08:39,333 The water gets into the lungs, 946 01:08:39,633 --> 01:08:45,700 that causes the membrane in the lungs to froth up 947 01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:48,600 and produces a frothy liquid 948 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,433 that gets absorbed further into the lungs 949 01:08:51,433 --> 01:08:54,200 that collapses some of the air sacs. 950 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,266 That compromises the ability 951 01:08:56,266 --> 01:08:58,533 to circulate oxygen in the body. 952 01:08:59,666 --> 01:09:01,633 Vocal chords go into spasm, 953 01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:05,133 the heart goes into abnormal rhythm, 954 01:09:06,266 --> 01:09:07,666 she swallows her tongue. 955 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,200 [Heather] At one point her jaw locks 956 01:09:15,666 --> 01:09:18,266 and instead of thinking, 957 01:09:18,266 --> 01:09:20,166 "Perhaps we've gone too far," 958 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,200 participants thought that... 959 01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:27,666 her jaw had been locked by the makutu 960 01:09:27,666 --> 01:09:31,533 to stop them from getting even more water into it. 961 01:09:33,433 --> 01:09:37,100 So they pried her jaw open... 962 01:09:38,133 --> 01:09:39,533 and... 963 01:09:40,666 --> 01:09:41,733 died. 964 01:09:47,533 --> 01:09:49,600 [interrogator] So when did you realize that Janet 965 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,633 was getting to the point where her body was passing away? 966 01:09:59,733 --> 01:10:00,766 I didn't. 967 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,166 [interrogator] When did you notice she'd passed? 968 01:10:08,066 --> 01:10:09,166 I still didn't. 969 01:10:18,033 --> 01:10:20,500 We were just trying to get the other girl right. 970 01:10:24,066 --> 01:10:25,766 The whole place was full of evil. 971 01:10:32,266 --> 01:10:33,666 I tried to do CPR. 972 01:10:38,366 --> 01:10:40,466 I'm glad I know how to do it. 973 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,466 Then I turned to my wife... 974 01:10:49,366 --> 01:10:51,000 "I love you darling." 975 01:10:53,566 --> 01:10:56,200 Because I thought, yeah I was meant to go too. 976 01:10:58,333 --> 01:10:59,366 Yeah. 977 01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:03,666 Because I've been... a leader for the family, 978 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,266 and I thought they'd get me too. 979 01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:24,400 Jan was on the floor, 980 01:11:26,233 --> 01:11:28,666 there was all my brothers and sisters around, 981 01:11:30,666 --> 01:11:32,600 trying to bring her back to life. 982 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,400 We were trying to work out if it was in the house. 983 01:12:04,233 --> 01:12:05,600 All of the children... 984 01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:10,200 This makutu was in the house. 985 01:12:11,033 --> 01:12:13,100 [crying] 986 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,600 [Heather] As soon as they realized Janet had passed, 987 01:12:18,366 --> 01:12:22,233 they amped up the efforts on the teenage girl. 988 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,366 [screaming] 989 01:12:24,366 --> 01:12:27,166 Get out of there you will not have her. 990 01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:31,300 You will leave, you will leave her alone, you get out. 991 01:12:32,433 --> 01:12:34,366 [Heather] They've lost one, you know, 992 01:12:34,366 --> 01:12:37,600 - ...don't need to lose another. - You will leave her! 993 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,133 That went on for some hours after Janet had died. 994 01:12:42,133 --> 01:12:44,666 [screaming] 995 01:12:44,666 --> 01:12:47,066 You get out, you get out! 996 01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:51,700 Come on, come on girl. 997 01:12:53,233 --> 01:12:55,233 I was actually scared. 998 01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:02,166 I said, "You're scaring me," 999 01:13:03,333 --> 01:13:06,100 and then she said, 1000 01:13:06,566 --> 01:13:08,633 "Well you're scaring me." 1001 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,233 Yeah, they were trying to hold down my arms 1002 01:13:15,233 --> 01:13:18,466 'cause I was like scratching 1003 01:13:18,466 --> 01:13:21,633 and punching and kicking people. 1004 01:13:23,633 --> 01:13:26,266 [interrogator] And how come you tried to do that? 1005 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,233 I think it was 'cause of the demon inside of me. 1006 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,566 I just went pretty psycho. 1007 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,633 [interrogator] Did you say anything? 1008 01:13:40,466 --> 01:13:42,366 I can't exactly remember, 1009 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,700 but I was going something like, 1010 01:13:49,233 --> 01:13:51,233 "Stop, you are fucking drowning me," 1011 01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,666 something like that, 1012 01:13:55,533 --> 01:13:57,000 "I'm gonna die." 1013 01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:03,100 It's just, you know, I went blank 1014 01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:06,566 I just went total blank 1015 01:14:06,566 --> 01:14:09,766 and I think that's when they nearly lost me 1016 01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:12,300 when I went total blank. 1017 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,266 I don't know, I actually don't know 1018 01:14:21,266 --> 01:14:23,200 what the demon looks like. 1019 01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:28,166 I don't know what they were looking for, 1020 01:14:28,166 --> 01:14:30,100 what they were saying and everything. 1021 01:14:42,433 --> 01:14:45,333 [Tusha] About lunch time or late morning... 1022 01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:46,333 [knocking] 1023 01:14:46,666 --> 01:14:48,500 one of the local Maori [speaking Maori language] 1024 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:51,600 was telephoned and he went 'round to the flat. 1025 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,066 A man who they called Pakika Dave 1026 01:15:05,066 --> 01:15:09,366 who is a white European man who is... 1027 01:15:09,366 --> 01:15:12,133 a spiritual conduit 1028 01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:14,766 and a man whose spirituality they respected. 1029 01:15:15,700 --> 01:15:20,433 He said he felt a sense of evil 1030 01:15:20,433 --> 01:15:25,600 and a spiritual message came through to him 1031 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,066 seemingly from the deceased grandmother. 1032 01:15:30,666 --> 01:15:32,066 It's gone. 1033 01:15:44,466 --> 01:15:46,533 [crying] 1034 01:15:51,033 --> 01:15:54,066 We just love our family so much, you know, 1035 01:15:57,633 --> 01:15:58,700 that we would never ever 1036 01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:00,700 do this sort of thing to our kids. 1037 01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:11,266 Tohunga says that Mom's very angry... 1038 01:16:14,433 --> 01:16:17,200 because we had the kids bottled up in there for... 1039 01:16:18,766 --> 01:16:21,000 I don't even know how long for. 1040 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,300 [dramatic music] 1041 01:16:52,533 --> 01:16:55,566 And after blessing everybody who was there, 1042 01:16:55,566 --> 01:16:57,133 including Janet, 1043 01:16:58,233 --> 01:17:00,100 he advised that the other member 1044 01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:02,400 of the family should be taken to a hospital. 1045 01:17:16,733 --> 01:17:18,300 [news reporter] It was a desperate plea 1046 01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,300 from a 14 year old girl, "Stop it you're drowning me," 1047 01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:23,000 as relatives forced water down her throat 1048 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,366 during an exorcism. 1049 01:17:24,366 --> 01:17:26,266 [speaking Maori language] Janet Moses. 1050 01:17:26,266 --> 01:17:28,366 [speaking Maori language] Janet Moses, 1051 01:17:28,366 --> 01:17:30,166 [speaking Maori language] 1052 01:17:30,166 --> 01:17:31,633 Janet Moses died during a-- 1053 01:17:31,633 --> 01:17:33,033 Killing a young mom. 1054 01:17:33,033 --> 01:17:35,000 - Killing Janet Moses. - During an exorcism. 1055 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,600 - Exorcism. - Exorcism ceremony. 1056 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,300 This has been a very controversial case. 1057 01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:40,533 [man] Torture and death are just not acceptable. 1058 01:17:40,533 --> 01:17:41,700 I've seen dozens... 1059 01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:45,033 [talking over each other] 1060 01:17:48,066 --> 01:17:49,600 [news reporter] Family members desperate 1061 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,566 to hide the faces of the accused. 1062 01:17:51,566 --> 01:17:53,566 Don't fucking take photos of me. 1063 01:17:53,566 --> 01:17:56,000 We're already in enough fucking tragedy as it is. 1064 01:17:59,066 --> 01:18:02,100 [Tusha] Janet was young mother who lost her life. 1065 01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:05,700 It is absolutely critical that we understand 1066 01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:07,100 how this happens 1067 01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:09,400 and inevitably hold people to account 1068 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,000 for what has happened. 1069 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:24,333 What are the authorities to do 1070 01:18:24,333 --> 01:18:29,633 when a human being is killed in those circumstances. 1071 01:18:32,333 --> 01:18:34,533 You have two charges, manslaughter, 1072 01:18:34,533 --> 01:18:38,100 and one charge of cruelty to a child. 1073 01:18:39,333 --> 01:18:42,033 There is no suggestion whatever 1074 01:18:42,033 --> 01:18:45,433 that any of the people charged for Janet 1075 01:18:45,433 --> 01:18:47,200 had been using drugs. 1076 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,666 The odd thing about the case 1077 01:18:51,666 --> 01:18:57,033 was deeply held spiritual Maori beliefs were being aired 1078 01:18:57,033 --> 01:18:59,733 in such a formal white... 1079 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,400 colonial, if you like, system. 1080 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:10,733 The court bends over backwards to be sensitive, 1081 01:19:11,566 --> 01:19:13,566 but when they described what had happened 1082 01:19:13,566 --> 01:19:18,500 it was like reading a scene from the Salem witch trials. 1083 01:19:21,233 --> 01:19:24,500 The family belief was based on misconceptions 1084 01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:26,500 and misinformation, 1085 01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:30,466 none of the expert witnesses had ever heard 1086 01:19:30,466 --> 01:19:35,266 of pouring large volumes of water 1087 01:19:35,266 --> 01:19:37,533 into the person afflicted 1088 01:19:37,533 --> 01:19:40,200 as a way of dealing with makutu 1089 01:19:40,466 --> 01:19:43,466 and as it turned out the lion 1090 01:19:43,466 --> 01:19:47,066 was one of a pair of concrete garden ornaments 1091 01:19:47,066 --> 01:19:51,200 that had been purchased new by the owner of the hotel. 1092 01:19:52,266 --> 01:19:57,133 He had smeared yogurt on the statues to try and weather them 1093 01:19:57,133 --> 01:19:59,333 and make them look older than they were, 1094 01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:05,233 but they certainly weren't objects of antiquity at all. 1095 01:20:10,566 --> 01:20:14,266 As the trial progressed 1096 01:20:14,266 --> 01:20:18,033 their most precious spiritual experiences 1097 01:20:18,033 --> 01:20:23,266 were described repeatedly as fixed false beliefs. 1098 01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:27,566 It just got to the point where I couldn't look at them, 1099 01:20:27,566 --> 01:20:29,233 it would make me cry. 1100 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,266 I think all of the lawyers involved, 1101 01:20:32,266 --> 01:20:36,266 both prosecution and defense, could see the family dynamic 1102 01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:40,266 and we all felt for these people. 1103 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,600 Public opinion was divided, 1104 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,233 but the jury looked... sympathetic. 1105 01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:55,033 To breaking news now, 1106 01:20:55,033 --> 01:20:57,600 and the jury in the Janet Moses exorcism trial in Wellington 1107 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,300 has just returned with a verdict, Simon. 1108 01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:02,066 It's been a long wait for that jury 1109 01:21:02,066 --> 01:21:03,400 to come back with their verdict, 1110 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,200 lot of people at court wanting to hear that verdict, 1111 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,733 here's what happened. 1112 01:21:07,733 --> 01:21:12,600 [jury foreman] Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. 1113 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,100 Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. 1114 01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:18,166 [crying] 1115 01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,666 [news reporter] These five defendants 1116 01:21:21,666 --> 01:21:24,233 found guilty of manslaughter after a five week trial 1117 01:21:24,233 --> 01:21:26,466 and almost two days of deliberation. 1118 01:21:26,466 --> 01:21:28,366 Three other family members were acquitted 1119 01:21:28,366 --> 01:21:30,600 and walked free from court. 1120 01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,600 The two family leaders John Rawiri and Glenys Wright 1121 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,666 received community detention 1122 01:21:36,666 --> 01:21:39,366 allowing them to live at home under a curfew. 1123 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,033 They and their co-offenders all aunts of Janet Moses 1124 01:21:43,033 --> 01:21:45,266 also sentenced to community service, 1125 01:21:45,266 --> 01:21:49,400 supervision and to undertake cultural education programs. 1126 01:21:53,666 --> 01:21:57,533 [Grant] This was a just response to a tragic death. 1127 01:21:58,733 --> 01:22:02,500 The jury by their verdicts held the family members 1128 01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:06,233 who killed Janet criminally responsible for her death 1129 01:22:06,233 --> 01:22:10,233 and it's a recognition of the sanctity of life. 1130 01:22:11,566 --> 01:22:13,366 [Phil] Typical sentences for manslaughter 1131 01:22:13,366 --> 01:22:15,400 are four to six years 1132 01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:18,200 but none of the justifications 1133 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,400 for sending people to prison seemed to be present here. 1134 01:22:22,433 --> 01:22:24,533 There was deterrent value here. 1135 01:22:24,533 --> 01:22:28,300 Punishment, well, what purpose would that serve? 1136 01:22:28,766 --> 01:22:30,766 And I know a lot of people are very cynical 1137 01:22:30,766 --> 01:22:32,566 of our system of justice 1138 01:22:33,233 --> 01:22:36,100 but as misguided as it appears to us 1139 01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:38,500 in the cold hard light of day, 1140 01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:44,066 they genuinely believed that they were assisting her. 1141 01:22:45,666 --> 01:22:49,733 [speaking Maori language] 1142 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,666 [Viv] Must've been about a week after. 1143 01:23:06,666 --> 01:23:09,033 We had a meeting at the ma-lay 1144 01:23:09,566 --> 01:23:13,600 And we all decided to knock the place down, 1145 01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:16,233 knock it down. 1146 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:24,000 I was sad to see that, man, it's bloody sad. 1147 01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:28,633 Every morning I get up and I look straight out my window 1148 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,466 and see nothing, see nothing. 1149 01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,066 Yes, bloody... real sad news. 1150 01:23:47,233 --> 01:23:50,066 [Gail] Sometimes you can go past those flats 1151 01:23:50,066 --> 01:23:53,366 and you can still see a cloud that's above it. 1152 01:23:56,166 --> 01:23:58,100 You don't do those things. 1153 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:01,133 You don't muck around with all those things. 1154 01:24:05,166 --> 01:24:07,333 [Heather] I've heard that they still believe 1155 01:24:07,333 --> 01:24:11,100 that the curse is alive in their family and it's passed on. 1156 01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:15,433 It's understandable that they could believe that. 1157 01:24:15,733 --> 01:24:19,700 Beliefs really are nothing more than conclusions 1158 01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:23,700 that we've drawn on the basis of our experience. 1159 01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:27,600 There is still the possibility that a makutu 1160 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,100 did in fact attack Janet. 1161 01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:34,000 Nobody knows, they could've been right all along. 1162 01:24:36,066 --> 01:24:38,300 [Pouroto] There's no doubt in my mind she was possessed 1163 01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:41,166 either from a Maori or from a clinical point of view, 1164 01:24:41,166 --> 01:24:42,400 she was unwell, 1165 01:24:43,033 --> 01:24:44,333 and the curse 1166 01:24:44,333 --> 01:24:47,200 it's an attitude the family continued to carry on. 1167 01:24:48,466 --> 01:24:51,766 What they will hand on to the future generations 1168 01:24:51,766 --> 01:24:53,533 is really in their hands. 1169 01:24:55,533 --> 01:24:57,366 They have to deal with the fact that 1170 01:24:57,366 --> 01:25:00,666 despite the best that they tried to do for her 1171 01:25:00,666 --> 01:25:02,133 in that situation, 1172 01:25:02,733 --> 01:25:04,200 she died. 1173 01:25:12,033 --> 01:25:15,266 [dramatic piano music] 1174 01:25:35,133 --> 01:25:36,533 [laughing] 1175 01:25:36,533 --> 01:25:38,200 I didn't know Janet, 1176 01:25:38,733 --> 01:25:43,300 I knew Janet through-- through the investigation 1177 01:25:44,033 --> 01:25:45,700 so you only ever know Janet 1178 01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:49,433 through the eyes of other people, from what they tell you, 1179 01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:52,166 but as a mother myself 1180 01:25:53,466 --> 01:25:55,433 it really resonated with me. 1181 01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:58,166 We had two young children 1182 01:25:58,566 --> 01:26:02,633 who for the rest of their lives don't have their mom 1183 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:07,033 and in fact they were so small that the only memory 1184 01:26:07,033 --> 01:26:08,766 they will ever have of their mother, 1185 01:26:08,766 --> 01:26:11,466 is memories that other people give them of her. 1186 01:26:11,466 --> 01:26:14,033 [laughing] 1187 01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:17,500 [Gail] She was a wonderful mother, 1188 01:26:18,433 --> 01:26:21,733 that's what I would tell them, how much she loved them 1189 01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:25,100 and how much she cared about them. 1190 01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:28,333 [dramatic music] 1191 01:27:00,066 --> 01:27:04,100 [speaking Maori language] 1192 01:27:31,266 --> 01:27:34,533 [dramatic piano music]