0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Kunjungi www.Starbet99.com Agen Judi Online Aman dan Terpercaya 1 00:00:15,848 --> 00:00:17,889 (clicks) 2 00:00:19,681 --> 00:00:21,556 (whirs) 3 00:00:24,598 --> 00:00:25,764 (clicks) 4 00:00:26,347 --> 00:00:28,723 (whirring) 5 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:56,055 ♪ ♪ 6 00:01:02,264 --> 00:01:05,848 Tonight, Lux is visiting one of Hollywood's most exciting new stars, 7 00:01:05,930 --> 00:01:07,389 Jane Fonda. 8 00:01:07,472 --> 00:01:10,180 Jane's been using Lux-- How long, Jane? 9 00:01:10,264 --> 00:01:12,556 Ever since my first roles in summer stock, 10 00:01:12,639 --> 00:01:14,681 I could see that a star just had to have 11 00:01:14,764 --> 00:01:17,055 a really lovely complexion. 12 00:01:18,222 --> 00:01:20,139 ♪ ♪ 13 00:01:28,389 --> 00:01:29,472 Bennett Cerf: Might I assume that 14 00:01:29,556 --> 00:01:33,139 you are a, uh, very lovely lady? 15 00:01:33,222 --> 00:01:35,930 -John Daly: That you may. -(audience applauds) 16 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,180 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:43,514 --> 00:01:45,264 Dildano: Well, will you join our cause? 18 00:01:45,347 --> 00:01:48,139 What cause? Who are you? 19 00:01:49,431 --> 00:01:51,347 (man speaking in French) 20 00:01:57,139 --> 00:01:58,306 (Jane speaks French) 21 00:02:00,514 --> 00:02:02,806 ♪ ♪ 22 00:02:06,306 --> 00:02:09,389 The woman in the helmet is Jane Fonda, the actress. 23 00:02:09,472 --> 00:02:11,264 Actress Jane Fonda was arrested 24 00:02:11,347 --> 00:02:13,180 today at the airport in Cleveland. 25 00:02:13,264 --> 00:02:15,431 The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine 26 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:17,222 whether Ms. Fonda had violated 27 00:02:17,306 --> 00:02:19,389 sedition, treason or other statutes. 28 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,514 ♪ ♪ 29 00:02:23,848 --> 00:02:27,139 Any healthy country, like any healthy individual, 30 00:02:27,222 --> 00:02:29,222 should be in perpetual revolution, 31 00:02:29,306 --> 00:02:31,055 perpetual change. 32 00:02:31,139 --> 00:02:33,097 ♪ ♪ 33 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:35,598 Phil Donahue: You just may be the most talked about personality 34 00:02:35,681 --> 00:02:37,306 in the country today. 35 00:02:37,389 --> 00:02:40,306 There's a lot of, uh, hostility towards you. 36 00:02:40,389 --> 00:02:42,764 Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home. 37 00:02:42,848 --> 00:02:44,180 (cheers, applause) 38 00:02:45,139 --> 00:02:47,097 ♪ ♪ 39 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:49,723 Johnny Carson: My first guest tonight is a gal that I admire highly. 40 00:02:49,806 --> 00:02:52,598 Funny thing how people who were called radicals at the time 41 00:02:52,681 --> 00:02:54,264 now are considered right-on. 42 00:02:54,347 --> 00:02:56,097 (cheering) 43 00:02:56,180 --> 00:02:57,764 Jane Fonda: You have to have the courage to speak 44 00:02:57,848 --> 00:02:59,389 about the changes that are needed 45 00:02:59,472 --> 00:03:01,598 and it includes challenging, at the root, 46 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:05,014 the corporate power that has taken over the economy of this country. 47 00:03:05,848 --> 00:03:07,347 (cameras clicking) 48 00:03:07,431 --> 00:03:10,139 Lesley Stahl: You turn around and marry a billionaire. 49 00:03:10,222 --> 00:03:12,806 How do you go from one to the other 50 00:03:12,889 --> 00:03:16,097 without completely losing yourself somewhere in there? 51 00:03:16,180 --> 00:03:18,598 ♪ ♪ 52 00:03:44,389 --> 00:03:46,264 (birds twittering) 53 00:04:03,764 --> 00:04:05,764 (hair dryer whirring) 54 00:04:17,097 --> 00:04:18,139 Ow! 55 00:04:18,222 --> 00:04:19,139 Hairstylist: Sorry. 56 00:04:23,264 --> 00:04:24,431 (whirring stops) 57 00:04:27,472 --> 00:04:29,514 To drink or not to drink. 58 00:04:29,598 --> 00:04:30,681 (man laughs) 59 00:04:30,764 --> 00:04:32,139 I think I'll drink. 60 00:04:32,806 --> 00:04:34,431 (Jane sighs) 61 00:04:34,514 --> 00:04:36,723 The problem is they only serve wine. 62 00:04:36,806 --> 00:04:39,556 Oh, really? They're not doing-- They don't do champagne? 63 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:42,848 I-I don't drink champagne. I don't drink wine. I drink vodka. 64 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:44,930 (laughs) Well, maybe they can-- 65 00:04:45,014 --> 00:04:47,848 -I'll have to bribe somebody. -(laughs) 66 00:04:51,806 --> 00:04:54,681 Jane: You know the two times that I won an Oscar, 67 00:04:54,764 --> 00:04:56,347 I did my own hair and makeup. 68 00:04:56,431 --> 00:04:57,598 You're kidding? 69 00:04:57,681 --> 00:05:00,972 When I picked up the Oscar for my dad... 70 00:05:02,806 --> 00:05:05,930 it looked like the Lindbergh baby was hidden in my hair. 71 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:09,097 -(laughs) -It's, it's that hair there. 72 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:11,972 I mean, it was the '80s, just to be fair to myself. 73 00:05:12,055 --> 00:05:13,972 ♪ ♪ 74 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:21,306 Okay, Fonda, keep your chin up. 75 00:05:21,389 --> 00:05:23,180 -It's Jane Fonda! -(cheering) 76 00:05:30,514 --> 00:05:32,972 (crowd cheering, screaming) 77 00:05:36,514 --> 00:05:38,139 Photographer: Ms. Fonda, that-- 78 00:05:40,014 --> 00:05:41,431 Yeah, could we have one smile this way? 79 00:05:41,514 --> 00:05:42,764 One smile? Thank you. 80 00:05:42,848 --> 00:05:45,180 ♪ ♪ 81 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,764 Lily Tomlin: Has Vanity Fair been published? -Jane: Yes. 82 00:05:53,848 --> 00:05:55,972 -Just this month? -Yes, and I'm on the cover. 83 00:05:56,055 --> 00:05:59,097 Aw. Yeah, I wouldn't get on the cover. 84 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:02,097 (laughs) I never thought... I'd never have thought that I would ever-- 85 00:06:02,180 --> 00:06:03,806 Were they Hollywood women? Is that it? 86 00:06:03,889 --> 00:06:06,347 -It was called the Year of the Woman-- -Was it Saoirse? 87 00:06:06,431 --> 00:06:07,639 -Not even from Hollywood. -It was. 88 00:06:07,723 --> 00:06:10,806 -Irish. -(laughs) 89 00:06:10,889 --> 00:06:12,347 -Brie Larson? -Yeah. 90 00:06:12,431 --> 00:06:14,930 Oh, same old-- Helen Mirren? 91 00:06:15,014 --> 00:06:17,472 -Yes. -(cackles) 92 00:06:17,556 --> 00:06:20,472 -They took me out and put you in. -Yeah, they did. 93 00:06:20,556 --> 00:06:22,222 Lily: They aced me out. 94 00:06:22,306 --> 00:06:25,639 -Jane: It went from 21-year-old Saoirse... -Lily: This is your fault. 95 00:06:25,723 --> 00:06:28,014 ...to 78-year-old me. 96 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:29,972 Yeah. 97 00:06:31,139 --> 00:06:34,264 -Well, that's no big deal. -(laughs) 98 00:06:35,806 --> 00:06:39,139 After 53 years of friendship and 11 films together, 99 00:06:39,222 --> 00:06:41,723 you don't think I'm gonna start to bullshit you now, do you? 100 00:06:41,806 --> 00:06:44,347 -You of all people? -No, I don't! 101 00:06:44,431 --> 00:06:45,848 I wouldn't deserve that. 102 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:48,681 That's right. You don't deserve it. 103 00:06:48,764 --> 00:06:51,306 You deserve me to call a spade a spade, 104 00:06:52,264 --> 00:06:54,806 which is why I dragged my ass here from LA. 105 00:06:54,889 --> 00:06:57,930 Look, Brenda, if it's about scene 21, 106 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:00,556 where you're described as "ugly," 107 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:04,014 "feeble," uh, "a pale shadow of your former beauty." 108 00:07:04,097 --> 00:07:07,723 Please, realize that's just poetic license. 109 00:07:07,806 --> 00:07:10,097 You still preserve intact. 110 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:12,930 You have to. 111 00:07:13,014 --> 00:07:16,472 That mystery, that allure you had when you first became a diva. 112 00:07:18,097 --> 00:07:19,972 ♪ ♪ 113 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:30,264 Dinah Shore: When you were little lady Jane Fonda, 114 00:07:30,347 --> 00:07:32,014 up on Tigertail Road... 115 00:07:32,097 --> 00:07:35,681 did you dream about being an actress? Did you wanna be? 116 00:07:35,764 --> 00:07:39,431 Did I want to be an actress? No, not until I was, uh, well into my 20s. 117 00:07:39,514 --> 00:07:41,431 -I-I didn't, um... -Really? 'Cause you were so-- 118 00:07:41,514 --> 00:07:44,389 -I think when you grow up in the industry... -Mm-hmm. 119 00:07:44,472 --> 00:07:46,848 ...and you see, uh, what the people are 120 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:49,389 -really like behind their masks... -Mm-hm. 121 00:07:49,472 --> 00:07:52,347 ...you know, you're not too encouraged to become an actor. 122 00:07:52,431 --> 00:07:54,639 ♪ ♪ 123 00:07:57,472 --> 00:08:00,681 (cheers, applause) 124 00:08:02,972 --> 00:08:04,431 Jane: I grew up in the shadow 125 00:08:04,514 --> 00:08:06,764 of a national monument. 126 00:08:06,848 --> 00:08:09,598 Wait a minute, buddy. You just done some jackassin'. 127 00:08:09,681 --> 00:08:11,306 You can't shut up now. 128 00:08:11,389 --> 00:08:13,389 The handbill said they need 800 pickers, 129 00:08:13,472 --> 00:08:15,097 you laugh and say they don't. 130 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:16,723 Which one's the liar? 131 00:08:16,806 --> 00:08:19,889 Jane: My dad, his values, 132 00:08:19,972 --> 00:08:24,306 you know, solid American... 133 00:08:24,389 --> 00:08:26,598 Midwestern values: 134 00:08:26,681 --> 00:08:29,972 fairness, equality, justice. 135 00:08:30,556 --> 00:08:33,889 Stand up for the underdog, and that's why he gravitated 136 00:08:33,972 --> 00:08:37,639 to characters like Tom Joad in Grapes of Wrath, 137 00:08:37,723 --> 00:08:42,848 and The Ox-Bow Incident, which was about a lynching and racism. 138 00:08:44,055 --> 00:08:46,806 12 Angry Men , I mean, 139 00:08:46,889 --> 00:08:49,972 without him ever saying so, I knew that these movies 140 00:08:50,055 --> 00:08:52,889 expressed what he could never say verbally. 141 00:08:55,681 --> 00:08:57,139 ♪ ♪ 142 00:08:57,222 --> 00:09:00,139 He was the face of the America that... 143 00:09:00,222 --> 00:09:02,222 people wanted to believe in. 144 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:07,264 I was Henry Fonda's daughter, which, of course, meant 145 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:10,222 that I was polite, I was nice... (laughs) 146 00:09:10,723 --> 00:09:12,806 ...I was the girl next door. 147 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:16,598 All the things that I didn't feel I was. 148 00:09:18,097 --> 00:09:21,097 I didn't like my body. I didn't like myself. I... 149 00:09:21,764 --> 00:09:23,930 I felt shy. 150 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:28,014 We looked like the American Dream. 151 00:09:28,097 --> 00:09:29,889 Rich, beautiful, 152 00:09:29,972 --> 00:09:31,972 close... 153 00:09:32,055 --> 00:09:34,264 but a lot of it was simply myth. 154 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:44,556 This is the summer 155 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,222 when I was 11. 156 00:09:47,681 --> 00:09:51,806 It was staged for some magazine, I don't remember which one. 157 00:09:52,472 --> 00:09:55,055 Then there's my brother, Peter, and my mother. 158 00:09:56,556 --> 00:09:59,347 She had been in and out of institutions by that time, 159 00:09:59,431 --> 00:10:04,055 and when I look at her face, I can see the anxiety and the stress, 160 00:10:04,139 --> 00:10:06,347 and it makes me very, very sad. 161 00:10:07,848 --> 00:10:11,264 I didn't know why, but I had an aversion to her. 162 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:15,930 My team is the winning team, my team is the man, 163 00:10:16,014 --> 00:10:17,639 my dad. 164 00:10:18,972 --> 00:10:22,972 And you can tell he is not present at all. (laughs) 165 00:10:23,472 --> 00:10:27,848 He was having an affair with a far younger woman. 166 00:10:29,139 --> 00:10:30,472 Family picnic. 167 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:33,639 To me, that is a very... 168 00:10:34,347 --> 00:10:36,180 sad picture. 169 00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:40,472 It says it all. 170 00:10:43,139 --> 00:10:45,431 (birds singing) 171 00:10:45,514 --> 00:10:47,472 ♪ ♪ 172 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:52,639 Jane: I was alone a lot growing up. 173 00:10:53,347 --> 00:10:56,097 I spent all my time roaming the hills. 174 00:10:56,180 --> 00:10:58,306 I wanted to be Tonto. 175 00:11:00,014 --> 00:11:03,806 In those days, when you really became somebody, 176 00:11:03,889 --> 00:11:06,972 it meant that you were... independent, 177 00:11:07,055 --> 00:11:09,180 you didn't need anybody. 178 00:11:11,347 --> 00:11:15,055 But then I'd look into the windows of houses 179 00:11:15,139 --> 00:11:17,014 where people were sitting at the table... 180 00:11:18,306 --> 00:11:22,723 and I remember, it would bring up a feeling of longing in me. 181 00:11:24,264 --> 00:11:27,139 And I figured, whatever it is that creates 182 00:11:27,222 --> 00:11:30,848 that thing that I'm looking at, that warm... 183 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:35,014 glow of light, people laughing and talking, 184 00:11:35,097 --> 00:11:37,347 that will never be mine. 185 00:11:39,514 --> 00:11:40,806 Mr. Austin: Henry Fonda, 186 00:11:40,889 --> 00:11:45,306 we name you Stage Father of 1952. 187 00:11:45,389 --> 00:11:47,639 Here is your medal and my heartiest congratulations. 188 00:11:47,723 --> 00:11:50,014 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Austin. 189 00:11:51,055 --> 00:11:53,514 I feel very honored. I just hope that 190 00:11:53,598 --> 00:11:56,889 my Jane and Peter are gonna be properly impressed. 191 00:11:58,097 --> 00:12:01,389 Jane: He was a hero to so many people. 192 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,097 But... 193 00:12:04,264 --> 00:12:07,222 these kind of men aren't always good fathers. 194 00:12:08,472 --> 00:12:11,347 It's hard to be both. 195 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:13,306 ♪ ♪ 196 00:12:13,389 --> 00:12:15,639 I wanted to please dad. 197 00:12:15,723 --> 00:12:18,681 Who would you like me to be? I'll do whatever you want, 198 00:12:18,764 --> 00:12:21,014 'cause I want you to love me. 199 00:12:21,097 --> 00:12:22,723 Peter was the opposite. 200 00:12:24,222 --> 00:12:25,848 If he was scared, he'd cried. 201 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:28,639 If he was angry with dad, he'd show it. 202 00:12:29,264 --> 00:12:32,097 And it was really hard on Peter. 203 00:12:33,556 --> 00:12:35,889 He had it way harder than me. 204 00:12:37,431 --> 00:12:40,723 Peter Fonda: It's more difficult for Jane than it is for me, actually. 205 00:12:40,806 --> 00:12:44,180 You see, it's not that he wasn't or isn't a loving person at all. 206 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,681 He just... has no character with a script that says, "Henry Fonda: 207 00:12:48,764 --> 00:12:52,014 Fonda says, 'I love you son,'" and he would be able to handle it. 208 00:12:52,097 --> 00:12:53,930 Without that script, he's got nothing to do. 209 00:12:54,014 --> 00:12:56,472 I mean, he has to have the mask in order to express. 210 00:12:57,848 --> 00:13:01,014 Jane has no way to attach herself to Henry. 211 00:13:01,097 --> 00:13:03,972 She's lost out there as his daughter. 212 00:13:04,598 --> 00:13:06,639 ♪ ♪ 213 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:10,848 Jane: I was 20, maybe 21, 214 00:13:12,139 --> 00:13:14,556 still living at my father's house 215 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,055 on the beach in Malibu. 216 00:13:16,139 --> 00:13:18,264 ♪ ♪ 217 00:13:19,264 --> 00:13:22,055 My stepmother had given me an ultimatum: 218 00:13:22,139 --> 00:13:25,139 "Come fall, you have to move out of the house." 219 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,556 What was I gonna do? 220 00:13:29,306 --> 00:13:32,972 A quarter-mile down the beach was Lee Strasberg's house. 221 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:36,431 He was the great acting coach. 222 00:13:36,514 --> 00:13:41,306 He taught people like Paul Newman and James Dean, and, of course, Marilyn Monroe. 223 00:13:42,806 --> 00:13:44,556 I walked down the beach, 224 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,889 took off my high-heeled shoes to walk in the sand. 225 00:13:47,972 --> 00:13:51,264 I knocked on the back door after having put my shoes back on. 226 00:13:51,347 --> 00:13:52,681 He let me in. 227 00:13:53,222 --> 00:13:54,764 He later said, 228 00:13:54,848 --> 00:13:59,347 "She seemed to be the most boring, conventional girl... 229 00:14:00,723 --> 00:14:03,180 "except when I looked into her eyes, 230 00:14:03,889 --> 00:14:05,723 there was a lot hidden." 231 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:08,431 And he took me into his class. 232 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:09,889 ♪ ♪ 233 00:14:12,556 --> 00:14:16,139 Lee taught us to... dive deep 234 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,180 into your own psyche, 235 00:14:19,222 --> 00:14:21,889 private moments, sensory memories, 236 00:14:22,889 --> 00:14:26,347 to bring a deeper life to your character. 237 00:14:26,431 --> 00:14:29,264 ♪ ♪ 238 00:14:29,347 --> 00:14:31,848 I was so scared. 239 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:34,139 I sat in the back. 240 00:14:34,222 --> 00:14:37,598 I would've been happy if I never ended up performing in that class. 241 00:14:38,431 --> 00:14:41,180 Eventually, after about two months, 242 00:14:41,264 --> 00:14:42,806 Lee said, "Okay. 243 00:14:42,889 --> 00:14:45,598 "You know, tomorrow you're gonna do it." 244 00:14:47,764 --> 00:14:49,306 The class was fuller than usual. 245 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:50,889 I think they wanted to come see 246 00:14:50,972 --> 00:14:53,347 Henry Fonda's daughter fall on her face. 247 00:14:53,431 --> 00:14:54,930 ♪ ♪ 248 00:14:55,764 --> 00:14:58,472 And then I remember when I was through, 249 00:14:58,556 --> 00:15:00,723 Lee was silent for a long time. 250 00:15:01,431 --> 00:15:04,472 And then he said, "You know, I see a lot of people come through here. 251 00:15:05,556 --> 00:15:07,639 You have real talent." 252 00:15:10,472 --> 00:15:12,389 I swear... 253 00:15:13,139 --> 00:15:17,180 it was like someone had opened the top of my head and birds flew out. 254 00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:19,639 (noisy chattering) 255 00:15:19,723 --> 00:15:21,723 Man: Everyone off the steps. 256 00:15:22,972 --> 00:15:24,389 (squeals) 257 00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:27,097 Jane: Diane? 258 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:34,222 -(inaudible) -Jane: I can't stand it! 259 00:15:34,306 --> 00:15:35,264 (camera rolling) 260 00:15:35,347 --> 00:15:36,889 Jane: The first time you really 261 00:15:36,972 --> 00:15:40,347 discover something you love, organically love to do, 262 00:15:40,431 --> 00:15:42,014 you go to sleep loving it, 263 00:15:42,097 --> 00:15:43,556 and you wake up and you love it, 264 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,180 and you don't have to think about it, 265 00:15:45,264 --> 00:15:47,514 and you don't mind staying home alone at night 266 00:15:47,598 --> 00:15:49,723 because you've got this thing that you really love to do. 267 00:15:49,806 --> 00:15:52,806 (applause) 268 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:57,014 (car honks) 269 00:15:58,306 --> 00:16:00,598 Charles Colllingwood: Jane Fonda decided to follow 270 00:16:00,681 --> 00:16:03,180 the well-known path trod by her distinguished father, 271 00:16:03,264 --> 00:16:04,723 actor Henry Fonda. 272 00:16:04,806 --> 00:16:07,264 Jane worked as a photographer's model 273 00:16:07,347 --> 00:16:09,681 to earn a living while she mastered the art. 274 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:12,889 -Hello, Jane. -Hello, Charlie. 275 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:16,222 I think that we caught you just moving into this apartment. 276 00:16:16,306 --> 00:16:17,598 You certainly did. 277 00:16:17,681 --> 00:16:19,764 Jane, do you think it's important for a girl 278 00:16:19,848 --> 00:16:21,431 starting out to be on her own, 279 00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:23,472 to have her own apartment like this? 280 00:16:25,055 --> 00:16:27,139 Well, I think, uh... 281 00:16:28,347 --> 00:16:30,264 it helps, I think, to be away from the family, 282 00:16:30,347 --> 00:16:31,723 particularly for me. 283 00:16:31,806 --> 00:16:34,097 You know, if a child and the parent 284 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:36,389 work in the same business, 285 00:16:36,472 --> 00:16:38,930 it's uh, you feel more independent, you know. 286 00:16:39,014 --> 00:16:41,139 I feel... 287 00:16:41,222 --> 00:16:44,598 I don't have to always be explaining what I'm doing and everything like that. 288 00:16:44,681 --> 00:16:46,598 -Uh, you're-- - I hope my father's not listening to this. 289 00:16:46,681 --> 00:16:48,097 He probably is. 290 00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:50,139 (cars honking) 291 00:16:50,222 --> 00:16:52,889 Jane: I had this instantaneous career. 292 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,180 I was doing plays on Broadway. 293 00:16:57,264 --> 00:16:59,389 I was making movies in Hollywood. 294 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:04,806 I was nominated for a Tony and won the New York Drama Critics' Circle Award 295 00:17:04,889 --> 00:17:08,930 for the most promising actress of the year for drama. 296 00:17:10,848 --> 00:17:14,306 Well, it says outside that-- that Brad and I are starring in the show, 297 00:17:14,389 --> 00:17:17,180 you know, and that's one of the reasons that people are coming. 298 00:17:17,264 --> 00:17:19,681 But I don't feel... 299 00:17:20,556 --> 00:17:23,264 I don't feel that I can... 300 00:17:23,347 --> 00:17:25,848 quite live up to that, you know? 301 00:17:27,723 --> 00:17:29,764 It's a funny feeling. 302 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:37,972 Jane: During that period of time, 303 00:17:38,055 --> 00:17:40,180 I was asked to audition, for Kazan, 304 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:44,806 for the female lead in Splendor in the Grass that Natalie Wood ended up doing. 305 00:17:44,889 --> 00:17:46,848 It was in a theater, and Kazan 306 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:48,889 called me down to the footlights 307 00:17:48,972 --> 00:17:52,055 and-- and he was standing below and he looked up at me, 308 00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:53,889 and he said, "Are you ambitious?" 309 00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:56,055 And I said, "No!" 310 00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:59,055 Talk about self-betrayal. 311 00:17:59,139 --> 00:18:02,514 I just wanted to be okay. 312 00:18:02,598 --> 00:18:05,097 I wanted to be a good girl. 313 00:18:06,264 --> 00:18:08,681 A good girl 314 00:18:08,764 --> 00:18:11,264 is not an ambitious person. 315 00:18:12,431 --> 00:18:15,139 (marching band playing) 316 00:18:16,556 --> 00:18:19,723 Jane: I got hired for a whole string of girl next door, 317 00:18:19,806 --> 00:18:22,930 ingénues, and I became the actor 318 00:18:23,014 --> 00:18:25,180 that would get the light, romantic comedies 319 00:18:25,264 --> 00:18:29,222 that would start as plays on Broadway and then they'd be made into films. 320 00:18:29,306 --> 00:18:31,972 (marching band continuing) 321 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:34,764 Ralph: She's already made him a sissy. 322 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:36,222 George: Oh man, that do it every time. 323 00:18:36,306 --> 00:18:38,848 -Mm-hmm. -She'll be back tomorrow, at the latest. 324 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:41,264 -(clears throat) -Well, let 'em. 325 00:18:41,347 --> 00:18:45,347 George, will you please get my little blue zipper bag? 326 00:18:45,972 --> 00:18:47,514 Please? 327 00:18:47,598 --> 00:18:49,055 You know what I had in mind? 328 00:18:49,139 --> 00:18:51,347 -Isabel: George? -Hong Kong. 329 00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:54,055 (screaming): All right! I'll get it myself! 330 00:18:54,139 --> 00:18:57,347 -Huh? -I'll go out and get it myself! 331 00:18:58,014 --> 00:18:59,723 ♪ ♪ 332 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,472 Jane: You know, and I was, okay at it. 333 00:19:01,556 --> 00:19:02,972 I was all right. 334 00:19:04,889 --> 00:19:06,930 Oh, ow! 335 00:19:07,014 --> 00:19:08,472 I knew how to talk kind of high 336 00:19:08,556 --> 00:19:10,347 and blink my eyes and... 337 00:19:12,306 --> 00:19:14,389 ♪ ♪ 338 00:19:14,472 --> 00:19:15,639 Whoa. 339 00:19:21,514 --> 00:19:23,556 This is the Plaza Hotel, please. 340 00:19:23,639 --> 00:19:25,306 Plaza. Corie, it's the Plaza. 341 00:19:25,389 --> 00:19:27,514 Wait a minute, I'm not finished. 342 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,764 Corie, the man is waiting, waiting. 343 00:19:29,848 --> 00:19:31,431 Give him a big tip. 344 00:19:31,514 --> 00:19:33,723 Paul, tell me you're not sorry we got married. 345 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:36,598 After 40 minutes? Let's give it a couple of hours first. 346 00:19:36,681 --> 00:19:40,598 Paul, if the honeymoon doesn't work out, let's not get divorced, 347 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,222 let's kill each other. 348 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,639 Let's have one of the maids do it. 349 00:19:43,723 --> 00:19:45,347 I hear the service here is wonderful. 350 00:19:46,222 --> 00:19:48,055 ♪ ♪ 351 00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:52,264 Sometimes you just find yourself in sync, 352 00:19:52,347 --> 00:19:54,264 and that happened from the very beginning with Jane. 353 00:19:54,347 --> 00:19:55,639 There was just something that, 354 00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:58,347 that naturally developed between us. 355 00:19:59,055 --> 00:20:01,598 There was a chemistry that just was there, 356 00:20:01,681 --> 00:20:03,431 and it was also fun. 357 00:20:03,514 --> 00:20:05,347 ♪ ♪ 358 00:20:05,431 --> 00:20:07,639 She saw the humor in things, 359 00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:09,472 but at the same time, 360 00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:12,764 she shared her insecurities and her doubts. 361 00:20:12,848 --> 00:20:14,598 ♪ ♪ 362 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,848 In our friendship, we've been very honest with each other 363 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:20,222 about our angers, our frustrations. 364 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:25,014 And, at a certain point, Jane just had an instinct that said, 365 00:20:25,097 --> 00:20:28,264 "Down deep, there's something missing." 366 00:20:30,055 --> 00:20:32,180 Jane: A lot of other people were defining me, 367 00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:34,472 all of them men. 368 00:20:34,556 --> 00:20:37,639 I never felt real. 369 00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:43,014 I just thought, "I've got to get out from under my father's shadow. 370 00:20:43,097 --> 00:20:47,306 "Maybe if I go to France during the new wave period, 371 00:20:47,389 --> 00:20:49,514 "I will... 372 00:20:49,598 --> 00:20:51,514 find who I really am." 373 00:20:51,598 --> 00:20:56,389 I was always in search of some per-- somebody that was real in there. 374 00:20:57,431 --> 00:21:00,097 ♪ ♪ 375 00:21:03,306 --> 00:21:06,180 (man speaking in French) 376 00:21:37,598 --> 00:21:39,639 (speaking in French) 377 00:22:17,556 --> 00:22:19,848 ♪ ♪ 378 00:22:21,389 --> 00:22:22,639 (clacks) 379 00:22:25,014 --> 00:22:27,639 Jane: One night, when I first arrived in Paris, 380 00:22:27,723 --> 00:22:31,556 I was at Maxim's with a group of actors, 381 00:22:32,389 --> 00:22:35,848 and Roger Vadim walked in. 382 00:22:36,431 --> 00:22:39,014 I knew that he had a reputation. 383 00:22:39,097 --> 00:22:43,431 He had been married to Brigitte Bardot and he'd had a child with Catherine Deneuve. 384 00:22:43,514 --> 00:22:47,764 He had already directed And God Created Woman. 385 00:22:47,848 --> 00:22:50,014 He was a rock star. 386 00:22:51,097 --> 00:22:53,681 He walked in, and I immediately felt 387 00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,306 endangered. 388 00:22:55,389 --> 00:22:57,514 He felt predatory, 389 00:22:57,598 --> 00:22:59,764 but charming, 390 00:22:59,848 --> 00:23:01,639 sexy. (gasps) 391 00:23:01,723 --> 00:23:03,431 ♪ ♪ 392 00:23:06,723 --> 00:23:09,972 I promised myself, "I will never make a movie 393 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,139 with Roger Vadim." 394 00:23:13,598 --> 00:23:15,639 (interviewer speaking in French) 395 00:23:30,055 --> 00:23:32,806 Jane: I was making the Rene Clement movie 396 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,389 called Les Felins . 397 00:23:34,472 --> 00:23:35,972 ♪ ♪ 398 00:23:36,889 --> 00:23:38,472 Why are you looking at me like that? 399 00:23:39,889 --> 00:23:42,180 Am I attractive to you? 400 00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:44,014 I had just done a scene 401 00:23:44,097 --> 00:23:47,347 where I'm in a teddy, you know, a little underwear, 402 00:23:47,431 --> 00:23:50,014 and, uh, I-- I got a... 403 00:23:50,097 --> 00:23:53,889 message that Vadim was in the canteen and-- and wanted to see me. 404 00:23:53,972 --> 00:23:55,639 ♪ ♪ 405 00:23:56,306 --> 00:23:59,222 I realized that I was excited to see him. 406 00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:02,723 I threw on my trench coat, 407 00:24:02,806 --> 00:24:04,723 and as I ran into the canteen, 408 00:24:04,806 --> 00:24:08,222 the trench coat blew open. (chuckles) 409 00:24:08,306 --> 00:24:10,764 ♪ ♪ 410 00:24:10,848 --> 00:24:14,139 And that night, we went back to my hotel. 411 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:18,097 He didn't speak very good English. (laughs) 412 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:21,389 Maybe if he had, I'd never have married him. 413 00:24:21,472 --> 00:24:23,139 ♪ ♪ 414 00:24:24,514 --> 00:24:27,180 You know, Vadim's so charismatic, 415 00:24:27,264 --> 00:24:30,806 so utterly seductive and charming. 416 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:35,264 You walked down the Champs-Élysées with Vadim, 417 00:24:35,347 --> 00:24:37,097 it was like walking down the street with Robert Redford. 418 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,097 I mean, people would like... (gasps) 419 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:41,848 They'd freak and ask for his autograph, and... 420 00:24:42,347 --> 00:24:47,139 Our life together was heady and, um, slightly hedonistic. 421 00:24:50,681 --> 00:24:53,264 But then there was this old shoe quality to him, 422 00:24:53,347 --> 00:24:55,389 it was this comfortable part of him. 423 00:24:55,472 --> 00:24:57,014 Nathalie! 424 00:24:57,514 --> 00:25:00,556 Jane: He'd cross town to see his daughter every day. 425 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:02,556 Aww. 426 00:25:03,972 --> 00:25:05,222 Oh. 427 00:25:05,306 --> 00:25:07,347 ♪ ♪ 428 00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:11,055 Nathalie Vadim: Jane came into my life when I was three. 429 00:25:11,139 --> 00:25:13,222 She looked very young, I remember that. 430 00:25:13,306 --> 00:25:14,681 Younger than she was. 431 00:25:15,389 --> 00:25:18,306 I would see my biological mother rarely. 432 00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:21,097 And Jane was always there. 433 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:24,222 And so I became really close to her. 434 00:25:25,431 --> 00:25:28,556 She became my surrogate mother, basically, 435 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:32,389 and the person who-- who raised me. 436 00:25:34,055 --> 00:25:38,014 Jane: We moved into a farmhouse that I bought outside of Paris. 437 00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:41,431 There was something so appealing to me 438 00:25:41,514 --> 00:25:44,055 about putting down roots. 439 00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:46,681 I saw myself 440 00:25:46,764 --> 00:25:49,097 being married and having a family 441 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:50,848 and living in France. 442 00:25:52,556 --> 00:25:53,930 Well, 443 00:25:54,014 --> 00:25:58,055 Vadim was so full of contradictions. 444 00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:01,598 There were a lot of issues that I just chose not to see. 445 00:26:04,222 --> 00:26:07,723 I didn't know what compulsive gambling was or alcoholism. 446 00:26:08,972 --> 00:26:12,972 If I would complain, he would call me bourgeois. 447 00:26:13,764 --> 00:26:17,180 Oh my God... forbid that you would ever be worried about money 448 00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:20,306 or complain about money or complain about 449 00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:23,264 extramarital affairs or anything like that. 450 00:26:24,097 --> 00:26:28,180 Nathalie: When she finds an interest, she's focused on it. 451 00:26:28,264 --> 00:26:32,389 At that point, that interest was Vadim, so... 452 00:26:32,472 --> 00:26:34,598 she became what Vadim wanted. 453 00:26:35,264 --> 00:26:37,639 Merv Griffin: Does he know you that well, Jane? 454 00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:40,431 I think he, he knows me better than I know me. 455 00:26:40,514 --> 00:26:41,889 (chuckles) 456 00:26:41,972 --> 00:26:45,848 Actresses are usually quite... dumb. 457 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:49,389 We're really quite stupid about what we think we can do well. 458 00:26:49,472 --> 00:26:51,764 And it's the director that comes along 459 00:26:51,848 --> 00:26:54,014 and makes us use muscles we've never used before. 460 00:26:54,097 --> 00:26:56,889 Vadim... does that all the time. 461 00:26:56,972 --> 00:26:59,930 I would say, "I can't do that, I-- I can't play that scene." 462 00:27:00,014 --> 00:27:03,848 And he'd make me do it, and they'd be the good scenes. 463 00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:07,889 Jane: Here I was, trying to not be defined by men, 464 00:27:07,972 --> 00:27:11,222 ended up with a man who was the ultimate 465 00:27:11,306 --> 00:27:14,472 definer of femininity. 466 00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:18,097 That's where I was at that time. 467 00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,639 I wanted someone to mold me. 468 00:27:22,681 --> 00:27:24,139 I wanted him... 469 00:27:24,222 --> 00:27:27,556 to help me become a woman. 470 00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:29,806 ♪ ♪ 471 00:27:33,055 --> 00:27:38,389 Dino De Laurentiis sent me the very famous French comic book called, Barbarella. 472 00:27:38,472 --> 00:27:41,639 He wanted to make a movie, and would I play Barbarella. 473 00:27:42,681 --> 00:27:46,806 Now, I knew that Bardot had turned it down, Sophia Loren had turned it down, 474 00:27:46,889 --> 00:27:49,889 and I didn't want to do it. 475 00:27:49,972 --> 00:27:52,306 I mean, I look at these pictures, 476 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:55,306 I didn't identify with Barbarella. 477 00:27:55,848 --> 00:27:59,055 Well, Vadim was, I think, 478 00:27:59,139 --> 00:28:03,306 probably the number one science fiction aficionado in the world. 479 00:28:03,389 --> 00:28:08,347 So, when you have a science fiction story that's about sex... 480 00:28:09,389 --> 00:28:13,222 there was no way I was not gonna do this movie, and he was going to direct it. 481 00:28:14,598 --> 00:28:16,556 ♪ ♪ 482 00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:27,180 Vadim wanted the film to open with a space strip tease. 483 00:28:27,264 --> 00:28:29,222 ♪ ♪ 484 00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,139 He took the set 485 00:28:33,222 --> 00:28:35,264 and turned it so that 486 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:38,764 the opening of the set was facing the ceiling of the sound stage. 487 00:28:38,848 --> 00:28:42,972 Then he put a very thick pane of glass over it, 488 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:45,347 and then I laid on top of the glass 489 00:28:45,431 --> 00:28:47,556 like I was floating in space. 490 00:28:48,556 --> 00:28:51,972 ♪ Barbarella psychedella ♪ 491 00:28:52,055 --> 00:28:55,556 Man: ♪ Barbarella psychedella ♪ 492 00:28:55,639 --> 00:29:00,972 ♪ Never can a fella name or call you ♪ 493 00:29:01,055 --> 00:29:03,180 ♪ Barbarella Ba-ba-ba... ♪ 494 00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:05,431 Jane: And then I had to be naked. 495 00:29:06,972 --> 00:29:10,972 I was drunk. I drank so much vodka to do that. 496 00:29:11,806 --> 00:29:14,806 It was so terrifying for me. 497 00:29:16,264 --> 00:29:18,097 ♪ Ba-Ba-Barbarella! ♪ 498 00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:23,055 And then the next morning, we hear that a bat 499 00:29:23,139 --> 00:29:24,639 had flown... 500 00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:26,389 between me and the camera 501 00:29:26,472 --> 00:29:27,889 that was hanging from the ceiling. 502 00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,681 and spoiled the take and we had to do it again. 503 00:29:30,764 --> 00:29:32,097 (laughs) Oh, God. 504 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:33,930 So the take that actually got used, 505 00:29:34,014 --> 00:29:36,930 I was not only drunk, I was hungover, too. 506 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:40,806 Are you typical of Earth women? 507 00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:44,264 I'm about average. 508 00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:46,639 ♪ ♪ 509 00:29:48,514 --> 00:29:51,389 Jane: When I look at the movie now, I thoroughly enjoy it. 510 00:29:51,472 --> 00:29:54,055 I mean, I think it's just a camp 511 00:29:54,139 --> 00:29:57,222 romp, really. I don't think it's particularly sexy. 512 00:29:57,306 --> 00:29:58,806 ♪ ♪ 513 00:30:02,972 --> 00:30:04,972 I wasn't a questioner. 514 00:30:05,806 --> 00:30:08,723 Superficial can come pretty easy to me. 515 00:30:08,806 --> 00:30:12,180 (scoffs) I mean, it's more convenient. 516 00:30:13,514 --> 00:30:14,848 You know, I spent... 517 00:30:16,014 --> 00:30:19,848 quite a few decades not asking too many questions. 518 00:30:21,472 --> 00:30:24,639 ♪ ♪ 519 00:30:28,347 --> 00:30:29,930 There was a time when 520 00:30:30,014 --> 00:30:31,806 I believed so strongly 521 00:30:31,889 --> 00:30:34,598 that if American soldiers were fighting somewhere, 522 00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:37,431 we had to be on the side of the angels. 523 00:30:37,514 --> 00:30:41,306 It was inconceivable to me that it could be otherwise. 524 00:30:42,806 --> 00:30:45,097 My father had fought in the Second World War. 525 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:47,889 He was so proud of it, I understood that. 526 00:30:47,972 --> 00:30:49,764 ♪ ♪ 527 00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:53,930 I mean, I was Miss Army Recruiter in 1959. 528 00:30:54,681 --> 00:30:57,889 (distant bombs exploding) 529 00:30:58,514 --> 00:31:01,889 I remember in 1964, 530 00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:05,139 Vadim and I were in St. Tropez. 531 00:31:05,222 --> 00:31:07,681 He picked up the paper, and the headlines 532 00:31:07,764 --> 00:31:12,723 were talking about how Congress had passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. 533 00:31:15,389 --> 00:31:16,598 (rapid gunfire) 534 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:18,097 Vadim erupted, 535 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,972 my non-political husband. 536 00:31:20,055 --> 00:31:22,889 (exclaiming in French) 537 00:31:23,556 --> 00:31:27,222 "What are they doing? There is no way they can win that war." 538 00:31:28,556 --> 00:31:31,055 "Your Congress is out of its mind." 539 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:35,180 And I'm thinking, "Sour grapes. Just 'cause you guys didn't win, 540 00:31:35,264 --> 00:31:39,055 the French, when you fought the Vietnamese." You know? 541 00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:42,848 That was how... little I knew. 542 00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:44,472 ♪ ♪ 543 00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:51,306 I had grown very close to Simone Signoret. 544 00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:54,972 She was one of the top French movie stars. 545 00:31:55,806 --> 00:31:57,806 And she had become an activist. 546 00:31:58,431 --> 00:32:02,014 Artists, writers, poets, philosophers 547 00:32:02,097 --> 00:32:05,264 were at the forefront of activism. 548 00:32:05,972 --> 00:32:07,723 Simone de Beauvoir, 549 00:32:07,806 --> 00:32:09,598 Jean Paul Sartre. 550 00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,556 I didn't really move in those circles 551 00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:15,848 with the exception of Simone Signoret. 552 00:32:16,972 --> 00:32:18,514 She kind of... 553 00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:21,347 opened the door a crack for me. 554 00:32:21,764 --> 00:32:23,889 But, you know, I remember thinking, 555 00:32:23,972 --> 00:32:26,764 "I'm not as smart as she thinks I am." 556 00:32:26,848 --> 00:32:28,264 ♪ ♪ 557 00:32:29,097 --> 00:32:30,681 1968. 558 00:32:32,139 --> 00:32:34,306 I was pregnant. 559 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:37,514 I think that when a woman is pregnant, 560 00:32:38,806 --> 00:32:42,556 more than ever, she's like a sponge. 561 00:32:42,639 --> 00:32:48,764 Very attuned to and receptive to what's in the ether. 562 00:32:48,848 --> 00:32:51,472 Not just around her, but in the world. 563 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,389 I'm watching on television the Tet Offensive. 564 00:32:57,472 --> 00:32:58,806 (distant explosions) 565 00:32:58,889 --> 00:33:00,764 ♪ ♪ 566 00:33:00,848 --> 00:33:02,723 (shouting) 567 00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:06,431 I'm looking at newsreel from Chicago. 568 00:33:06,514 --> 00:33:08,723 Tom Hayden: We are going to gather here 569 00:33:08,806 --> 00:33:10,806 by any means necessary. 570 00:33:11,347 --> 00:33:15,681 The demonstrations, the beatings, the bloodiness. 571 00:33:16,972 --> 00:33:18,514 I thought of Simone. 572 00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:20,556 I drove to her farmhouse 573 00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:22,014 out in the country. 574 00:33:22,472 --> 00:33:24,389 And I remember, she opened the door and she said, 575 00:33:24,472 --> 00:33:26,139 "I've been waiting for you." 576 00:33:26,222 --> 00:33:30,889 She said, "I knew you'd come to talk about the war." 577 00:33:30,972 --> 00:33:33,180 ♪ ♪ 578 00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:46,764 Simone explained to me that, 579 00:33:46,848 --> 00:33:50,264 that the Vietnamese had been fighting for thousands of years, 580 00:33:50,764 --> 00:33:54,389 against the Mongols, against China. 581 00:33:55,347 --> 00:33:57,055 They had always won. 582 00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:01,180 For America to fight a war 583 00:34:01,264 --> 00:34:03,848 thousands and thousands of miles away, 584 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,472 in a country that they didn't understand, 585 00:34:06,556 --> 00:34:08,681 against a people who... 586 00:34:08,764 --> 00:34:11,514 wanted, above all else, independence. 587 00:34:11,598 --> 00:34:13,598 (flames whooshing) 588 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:17,389 There was no way that we could win. 589 00:34:19,598 --> 00:34:22,347 You know, it's funny, suddenly, 590 00:34:22,431 --> 00:34:25,681 I felt, more than I ever had, 591 00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:27,222 American. 592 00:34:28,598 --> 00:34:30,806 It seems completely contradictory, 593 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:32,639 you know, in a few years, 594 00:34:32,723 --> 00:34:34,055 people that didn't like me were saying, 595 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:35,723 "Go back to Hanoi," and all that. 596 00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:39,222 But I felt, "No, no, no, this is... 597 00:34:39,306 --> 00:34:42,222 "We've taken a wrong path. 598 00:34:42,306 --> 00:34:45,014 "I want to be with my people, in my country, 599 00:34:45,097 --> 00:34:47,389 "and try to make this right." 600 00:34:47,472 --> 00:34:49,472 ♪ ♪ 601 00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:53,097 I really, I wanted my life to have meaning. 602 00:34:54,431 --> 00:34:57,306 But I was married, and I was pregnant, and... 603 00:34:57,389 --> 00:35:01,389 Oh my gosh. I don't know what to do. 604 00:35:01,472 --> 00:35:05,055 I said, I just don't know what to do. 605 00:35:05,139 --> 00:35:08,014 She realized that 606 00:35:08,097 --> 00:35:11,180 there was more to life than just being a housewife, actress. 607 00:35:12,014 --> 00:35:14,431 And Vadim, although progressive, 608 00:35:14,514 --> 00:35:19,347 getting involved in politics, and really getting involved, was not his thing. 609 00:35:20,472 --> 00:35:22,389 Jane: Vanessa was born... 610 00:35:22,472 --> 00:35:26,389 and it was a very, very, very traumatic birth. 611 00:35:26,472 --> 00:35:29,806 They used forceps, and they tore me. 612 00:35:30,472 --> 00:35:31,889 I hemorrhaged a lot. 613 00:35:31,972 --> 00:35:35,556 I was suffering from postpartum depression. 614 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,723 My milk didn't come... 615 00:35:37,806 --> 00:35:41,264 That bond that's supposed to happen, um, 616 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,306 it just didn't. 617 00:35:43,389 --> 00:35:46,639 I felt like I was the bad mother, 618 00:35:46,723 --> 00:35:49,514 and I was terrified. 619 00:35:50,723 --> 00:35:54,723 It surprised me, this feeling of fear. 620 00:35:56,180 --> 00:36:00,306 And, you know, later on, as I look back on it, I know why. 621 00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:01,889 It was because... 622 00:36:04,848 --> 00:36:06,598 (stammers) 623 00:36:06,681 --> 00:36:08,264 (sighs) 624 00:36:08,347 --> 00:36:10,848 It's hard to talk about. Um... 625 00:36:15,014 --> 00:36:18,598 I always saw my mother as a victim. 626 00:36:18,681 --> 00:36:22,180 Women equals victim. 627 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:25,514 "I am a woman, 628 00:36:25,598 --> 00:36:29,889 I am gonna be damaged, I am gonna be crushed." 629 00:36:33,389 --> 00:36:37,306 My mother was a very complicated woman, 630 00:36:37,389 --> 00:36:41,139 very, very beautiful woman, 631 00:36:41,222 --> 00:36:44,556 but she always seemed sick. 632 00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:48,264 We'd sit in the living room, and she'd hold my hand, 633 00:36:48,347 --> 00:36:52,180 and her hand would be trembling like this. 634 00:36:52,264 --> 00:36:54,139 And... 635 00:36:54,222 --> 00:36:59,139 I didn't want her to feel bad so I would make my hand tremble, too. 636 00:36:59,222 --> 00:37:02,306 I mean, it was-- it was hard to figure out 637 00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:04,598 what was happening with her. 638 00:37:04,681 --> 00:37:07,097 ♪ ♪ 639 00:37:08,139 --> 00:37:10,681 Poor mom. 640 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:15,347 I think my father was not the person she ever should have married. 641 00:37:15,431 --> 00:37:17,389 He was not kind to her. 642 00:37:18,389 --> 00:37:21,972 My father went to Broadway to do Mr. Roberts. 643 00:37:22,889 --> 00:37:26,014 And so we moved to Connecticut. 644 00:37:26,097 --> 00:37:28,972 My mother... that was where her mental health 645 00:37:29,055 --> 00:37:31,598 was really deteriorating. 646 00:37:32,472 --> 00:37:34,972 I didn't know it at the time, 647 00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:37,972 but the sister of the stage manager 648 00:37:38,806 --> 00:37:41,681 was seven years older than me, 649 00:37:41,764 --> 00:37:45,139 and my father had fallen in love with her. 650 00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:50,097 It was a difficult time for my mother, obviously. 651 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:51,514 ♪ ♪ 652 00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:54,306 I remember sitting at dinner... 653 00:37:55,472 --> 00:37:58,180 We ate Spam, 654 00:37:58,264 --> 00:37:59,930 not all the time, 655 00:38:00,014 --> 00:38:03,889 but occasionally, it would be canned fruit and Spam. 656 00:38:03,972 --> 00:38:05,180 Very weird. 657 00:38:06,472 --> 00:38:08,431 And sitting at the table, 658 00:38:08,514 --> 00:38:10,681 I looked down and my mother was-- 659 00:38:10,764 --> 00:38:13,556 there were tears pouring down her face 660 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,556 onto her dinner plate. 661 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,848 And my grandmother was here, and my brother-- and no one said a word. 662 00:38:20,431 --> 00:38:22,431 ♪ ♪ 663 00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:26,889 And I remember, one afternoon her 664 00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,681 being taken to a hospital. 665 00:38:31,514 --> 00:38:33,472 The last time she came home, 666 00:38:33,556 --> 00:38:36,097 she has convinced the people at the institution 667 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,306 that she was getting well and they let her come home, 668 00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:40,889 with a nurse accompanying her. 669 00:38:40,972 --> 00:38:44,139 My brother and I had been upstairs playing jacks. 670 00:38:44,806 --> 00:38:46,723 Grandma called for us to come down, 671 00:38:46,806 --> 00:38:48,180 and I wouldn't go. 672 00:38:49,139 --> 00:38:52,264 I said to Peter, "You go and I'll let you win, 673 00:38:52,347 --> 00:38:54,139 if you go down, I'm not going." 674 00:38:56,806 --> 00:38:58,639 I never saw her again. 675 00:39:00,139 --> 00:39:04,598 That was the day she snuck a razor out of the house, 676 00:39:04,681 --> 00:39:07,139 and then killed herself. 677 00:39:11,347 --> 00:39:13,139 I came home from school one day, 678 00:39:13,222 --> 00:39:15,972 my father and my grandmother were sitting in the living room, 679 00:39:16,055 --> 00:39:17,598 and they sat me down, and they said, 680 00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:20,389 "Your mother died of a heart attack." 681 00:39:22,264 --> 00:39:24,806 I could hear Peter crying. 682 00:39:24,889 --> 00:39:28,639 And I kept thinking, "Why can't I cry?" I never cried. 683 00:39:28,723 --> 00:39:31,598 I never cried, I sat on the edge of my bed 684 00:39:31,681 --> 00:39:33,389 thinking, "What's the matter with me?" 685 00:39:34,556 --> 00:39:36,139 And people would say, 686 00:39:36,222 --> 00:39:39,139 "God, Jane isn't she amazing? 687 00:39:39,222 --> 00:39:42,306 "She's so strong." 688 00:39:42,389 --> 00:39:47,306 So it was like approbation for keeping it all in. 689 00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:49,681 And that became my modus operandi. 690 00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,681 Um... 691 00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:56,723 it was very hard for me to ever be able to kinda do away 692 00:39:56,806 --> 00:39:58,848 with that. It took a long, long time. 693 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:00,180 Um... 694 00:40:00,264 --> 00:40:02,806 Susan Lacy: Did you notice, uh, or observe 695 00:40:02,889 --> 00:40:06,014 how your father reacted to your mother's death? 696 00:40:06,097 --> 00:40:08,347 Well, dad came out and he dropped the news, 697 00:40:08,431 --> 00:40:11,681 and then went back to New York and did his play. 698 00:40:11,764 --> 00:40:12,723 Um... 699 00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:14,639 that was dad. 700 00:40:14,723 --> 00:40:16,806 The show must go on. 701 00:40:16,889 --> 00:40:19,055 ♪ ♪ 702 00:40:22,306 --> 00:40:24,180 (train rattling) 703 00:40:24,264 --> 00:40:27,848 My father took me to Union Station, 704 00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:29,389 with my suitcase, 705 00:40:29,472 --> 00:40:32,806 and put me on the train to boarding school. 706 00:40:34,848 --> 00:40:37,556 He was newly married. 707 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,556 He was in a play on Broadway, and... 708 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,848 making films in the summer. I mean, it was obvious 709 00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:46,180 that Peter and I couldn't continue living at home with him. 710 00:40:48,431 --> 00:40:51,972 Nobody had ever talked to us about what had happened with my mother. 711 00:40:53,472 --> 00:40:57,055 I found out because of a movie magazine. 712 00:40:57,139 --> 00:41:02,889 And it said, "Henry Fonda's ex-wife, Frances de Villers Fonda, 713 00:41:02,972 --> 00:41:06,930 "cut her throat with a razor at the Riggs Institute," and... 714 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,806 ♪ ♪ 715 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:16,764 It was an awkward situation on a lot of different levels. 716 00:41:16,848 --> 00:41:20,764 And, to my dad, boarding school was getting us 717 00:41:20,848 --> 00:41:22,306 into a safe place, 718 00:41:22,389 --> 00:41:25,264 and it was also getting us out of his hair. 719 00:41:25,347 --> 00:41:27,556 ♪ ♪ 720 00:41:41,139 --> 00:41:44,347 (indistinct chatter) 721 00:41:54,222 --> 00:41:56,389 It was like a haven. 722 00:41:56,472 --> 00:42:01,180 It was a-- it was the steady thing in my life. It was the core of my life. 723 00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,848 I became very aware 724 00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:08,681 of the fact that I was really different, 725 00:42:08,764 --> 00:42:11,848 not just because my father was famous. 726 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,723 We just lived differently. 727 00:42:18,723 --> 00:42:22,139 There was no... continuity. 728 00:42:22,222 --> 00:42:24,431 Susan was his third wife, 729 00:42:24,514 --> 00:42:26,598 he would have two more after that. 730 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:30,431 I didn't have a community of friends 731 00:42:30,514 --> 00:42:33,180 that I had gone to school with before I came here. 732 00:42:33,264 --> 00:42:36,055 My friends were the friends that I made here. 733 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:39,598 I loved it. 734 00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:43,472 I loved biology. 735 00:42:43,556 --> 00:42:44,806 I also loved history. 736 00:42:44,889 --> 00:42:47,139 I loved the Roman and Greek history. 737 00:42:48,431 --> 00:42:50,306 That's how I got into bulimia, 738 00:42:50,389 --> 00:42:54,723 learning about how the Romans would gorge themselves and then... 739 00:42:55,764 --> 00:42:57,014 I had a roommate, 740 00:42:57,097 --> 00:42:58,556 Carol Bentley. 741 00:42:59,598 --> 00:43:02,097 Carol taught me to do this. 742 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:04,806 And of course... 743 00:43:04,889 --> 00:43:07,139 you know, we didn't realize... 744 00:43:07,222 --> 00:43:10,180 what we were starting, we didn't realize how-- 745 00:43:10,264 --> 00:43:13,222 how dangerous it was, and how addictive, 746 00:43:13,306 --> 00:43:16,514 and how it would affect so much of our lives. 747 00:43:16,598 --> 00:43:17,972 But it's-- it started here. 748 00:43:18,055 --> 00:43:19,848 ♪ ♪ 749 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,514 You never told anybody that you were... 750 00:43:22,598 --> 00:43:24,055 doing this. 751 00:43:24,139 --> 00:43:26,723 I thought it was just her and me and the Romans. 752 00:43:26,806 --> 00:43:29,306 It never occurred to me that anybody else did it. 753 00:43:31,306 --> 00:43:33,222 ♪ ♪ 754 00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:36,222 Mothers are often blamed for that, but for me, 755 00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:38,472 it was-- it was my dad. 756 00:43:40,264 --> 00:43:41,556 I made him ashamed. 757 00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,431 He thought I was fat... 758 00:43:45,139 --> 00:43:48,389 because I didn't look the way he wanted me to look. 759 00:43:48,472 --> 00:43:50,598 I knew that he didn't want me around, 760 00:43:50,681 --> 00:43:52,264 or that I embarrassed him, 761 00:43:52,347 --> 00:43:55,264 and, I mean, he told people that. 762 00:43:55,347 --> 00:43:58,264 I heard my father say things about my body 763 00:43:58,347 --> 00:44:02,306 that has twisted my life in deep ways ever since. 764 00:44:04,014 --> 00:44:09,097 And, by the way, most of his wives suffered from eating disorders, 765 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:10,972 including my mother. 766 00:44:12,222 --> 00:44:16,222 So the shadow of my mother's suicide, 767 00:44:16,306 --> 00:44:20,222 which happened a year before I went to Emma Willard, 768 00:44:20,306 --> 00:44:22,514 was never far away. 769 00:44:32,014 --> 00:44:33,723 (sighs) 770 00:44:35,848 --> 00:44:38,139 I'm gonna get off this merry-go-round. 771 00:44:40,014 --> 00:44:42,889 I'm so sick of the whole stinkin' thing. 772 00:44:46,347 --> 00:44:47,431 What thing? 773 00:44:49,889 --> 00:44:51,598 Life. 774 00:45:02,556 --> 00:45:06,930 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was the first time I had ever made a movie that... 775 00:45:07,014 --> 00:45:10,306 was about something. 776 00:45:10,389 --> 00:45:12,472 It's a metaphor, in a way, 777 00:45:12,556 --> 00:45:14,306 for... 778 00:45:14,389 --> 00:45:17,014 American society, greed. 779 00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:20,472 And the desperation of people who don't 780 00:45:20,556 --> 00:45:22,180 have money and privilege. 781 00:45:22,264 --> 00:45:23,723 ♪ ♪ 782 00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:26,389 During the Depression, 783 00:45:26,472 --> 00:45:28,848 people would go to these dance marathons 784 00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:31,139 to try to win all kinds of prizes. 785 00:45:31,222 --> 00:45:34,097 And they would dance without stopping for weeks. 786 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,972 Announcer: These wonderful kids deserve your cheers 787 00:45:39,055 --> 00:45:40,389 because each one of them 788 00:45:40,472 --> 00:45:44,180 is fighting down pain, exhaustion, weariness, 789 00:45:44,264 --> 00:45:47,514 struggling to keep going, battling to win. 790 00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:50,389 And isn't that the American way? 791 00:45:50,472 --> 00:45:52,389 (crowd cheering) 792 00:45:56,764 --> 00:45:58,347 Jane: Before we started shooting, 793 00:45:58,431 --> 00:46:00,681 Sydney Pollack called me. 794 00:46:00,764 --> 00:46:02,723 I didn't know who he was. 795 00:46:02,806 --> 00:46:05,848 He'd made, maybe, one other movie. 796 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:09,848 And I'll never forget it, he said, "You know, what do you think of the script? 797 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:12,889 "Tell me what you think we've left out. 798 00:46:12,972 --> 00:46:15,556 "Let me know if you think there's something important." 799 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,930 Well, I mean, no director had-- including my husband, 800 00:46:19,014 --> 00:46:20,723 who directed me in several movies-- 801 00:46:20,806 --> 00:46:24,930 had ever... talked to me that way, 802 00:46:25,014 --> 00:46:28,347 asked my opinion about things that were profound. 803 00:46:28,431 --> 00:46:33,347 Sydney Pollack: I always had this sense that she was... 804 00:46:33,431 --> 00:46:35,222 a serious actress 805 00:46:35,306 --> 00:46:37,723 buried inside this glamour-puss. 806 00:46:37,806 --> 00:46:39,681 Work, work, work! 807 00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:41,723 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was a much darker film, 808 00:46:41,806 --> 00:46:45,889 and asked her to go to a different place in herself. 809 00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:47,514 And she was great in the role. 810 00:46:47,598 --> 00:46:52,139 There's not a shred of vanity in the performance. 811 00:46:52,222 --> 00:46:54,889 Jane: Syndey made me feel seen, 812 00:46:54,972 --> 00:46:56,514 and of worth. 813 00:46:57,556 --> 00:47:00,055 And so I thought, "Yeah, I'm gonna go there." 814 00:47:01,306 --> 00:47:03,431 I threw myself into the character 815 00:47:03,514 --> 00:47:05,598 the way I never had before. 816 00:47:05,681 --> 00:47:07,889 ♪ ♪ 817 00:47:07,972 --> 00:47:09,930 I lived at the studio. 818 00:47:10,014 --> 00:47:13,930 I looked at paintings and pictures of crazy people. 819 00:47:14,014 --> 00:47:17,514 I wrapped myself in a cocoon of darkness. 820 00:47:18,347 --> 00:47:23,097 I had a... six-month-old child and a husband. 821 00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:28,139 But I just didn't have the technique yet where I could go 822 00:47:28,222 --> 00:47:32,264 as far down the dark hole as I possibly could, 823 00:47:32,347 --> 00:47:34,389 and be a wife and mother. 824 00:47:35,389 --> 00:47:37,598 I had to stay in the dark hole. 825 00:47:37,681 --> 00:47:39,639 ♪ ♪ 826 00:47:39,723 --> 00:47:42,930 The presence of my mother was with me. 827 00:47:43,723 --> 00:47:47,598 I had to get myself to a point 828 00:47:47,681 --> 00:47:51,389 where I really felt... "Why go on? 829 00:47:53,222 --> 00:47:56,556 There's absolutely no point." 830 00:48:00,681 --> 00:48:01,723 (gun cocks) 831 00:48:05,556 --> 00:48:06,681 Now? 832 00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:09,389 Now. 833 00:48:11,848 --> 00:48:13,264 (gunshot echoes) 834 00:48:15,306 --> 00:48:17,306 (birds twittering) 835 00:48:18,472 --> 00:48:20,556 ♪ ♪ 836 00:48:22,389 --> 00:48:23,889 Then, something shifted. 837 00:48:26,556 --> 00:48:31,389 My wig from They Shoot Horses comes off, 838 00:48:31,472 --> 00:48:35,681 I've got this long, still-Barbarella-esque hair, 839 00:48:35,764 --> 00:48:39,972 and I just thought, "This is not me anymore." 840 00:48:41,806 --> 00:48:44,306 I had my first hair epiphany. 841 00:48:44,389 --> 00:48:47,014 ♪ ♪ 842 00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:49,472 Someone said my hair needed its own agent. 843 00:48:51,097 --> 00:48:53,764 And I went to Vadim's barber, Paul McGregor, 844 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:57,806 who had a salon in Greenwich Village, 845 00:48:58,806 --> 00:49:01,389 and I said, "Do something. 846 00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:02,848 Cut if off." 847 00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:04,180 ♪ ♪ 848 00:49:05,806 --> 00:49:09,097 And he gave me what has become known as the Klute hairdo. 849 00:49:16,139 --> 00:49:20,222 I was very conflicted about whether it was a good idea to be playing a hooker. 850 00:49:20,306 --> 00:49:22,139 ♪ ♪ 851 00:49:24,097 --> 00:49:25,930 Before we started shooting, 852 00:49:26,014 --> 00:49:29,306 I came to New York and spent a week with call girls and madams, 853 00:49:30,347 --> 00:49:34,014 really in the bowels of that dark world. 854 00:49:35,598 --> 00:49:38,055 There was a hardness 855 00:49:38,139 --> 00:49:40,681 to them that was painful to watch. 856 00:49:41,556 --> 00:49:46,097 Not one pimp looked at me twice, 857 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:47,930 didn't even wink at me. 858 00:49:48,014 --> 00:49:51,598 And what that said to me was, it played right to my insecurities, 859 00:49:51,681 --> 00:49:53,097 "They know... 860 00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:57,889 I'm just an upper-class, privileged pretender." 861 00:49:58,681 --> 00:50:01,472 And that's what motivated me to say to Alan Pakula, 862 00:50:01,556 --> 00:50:04,598 "I just-- I don't-- I don't know if I can play this character. 863 00:50:04,681 --> 00:50:06,848 And you should hire Faye Dunaway." 864 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,806 Pakula: She came up to me and she said, "Alan, I want out. 865 00:50:09,889 --> 00:50:11,681 I don't know what I'm doing." 866 00:50:12,347 --> 00:50:14,264 And "I just think I'm wrong for this. 867 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:16,306 I think it's not gonna work." 868 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,264 Get somebody else." 869 00:50:21,598 --> 00:50:23,472 And I said, "I'm not letting you out." 870 00:50:23,556 --> 00:50:25,347 ♪ ♪ 871 00:50:25,431 --> 00:50:27,139 There was no way I would have done that picture without Jane. 872 00:50:27,222 --> 00:50:30,472 Jane is a fascinating combination 873 00:50:30,556 --> 00:50:32,639 of a woman who has great courage, 874 00:50:32,723 --> 00:50:35,472 great strength, and at the same time, 875 00:50:35,556 --> 00:50:39,014 had been used to being-- like maybe attracted to being controlled 876 00:50:39,097 --> 00:50:41,180 by somebody else. 877 00:50:41,264 --> 00:50:44,431 And I thought, where Jane was in her life then, 878 00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:47,306 in a very transition time, was absolutely right 879 00:50:47,389 --> 00:50:50,681 for this character of a woman who's trying to change her life. 880 00:50:52,389 --> 00:50:54,347 Jane: I brought something different to Klute 881 00:50:54,431 --> 00:50:56,806 than I had before. 882 00:50:56,889 --> 00:50:58,764 She was wounded. 883 00:50:58,848 --> 00:51:00,848 There was no ability to trust anymore, 884 00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:03,972 that was what was so hard for her. 885 00:51:04,055 --> 00:51:08,222 Once I began to kind of marinate in that feeling, 886 00:51:08,306 --> 00:51:12,347 I could, um... then I could play her. 887 00:51:12,431 --> 00:51:13,930 ♪ ♪ 888 00:51:15,222 --> 00:51:17,347 Psychiatrist: What's the difference between going out on a call 889 00:51:17,431 --> 00:51:19,389 as a model or as an actress or as a call girl? 890 00:51:19,472 --> 00:51:21,514 You're successful as a call girl, you're not suc-- 891 00:51:21,598 --> 00:51:24,055 Because when you're a call girl, you control it, that's why. 892 00:51:24,139 --> 00:51:27,723 Jane: I said to Alan, "Can we shoot all those psychiatrist's scenes 893 00:51:27,806 --> 00:51:29,639 "at the very, very end... 894 00:51:31,764 --> 00:51:34,889 when I've internalized her the most completely?" 895 00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:37,222 Nothing was written. 896 00:51:37,306 --> 00:51:40,347 I hadn't prepared anything in particular. 897 00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:43,180 I just wanted to be present in the moment, 898 00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:45,347 and let whatever happened happen. 899 00:51:45,431 --> 00:51:48,347 I just started improvising. 900 00:51:48,431 --> 00:51:50,139 And for an hour... 901 00:51:52,306 --> 00:51:54,014 For an hour, I'm the best actress in the world 902 00:51:54,097 --> 00:51:56,431 and the best fuck in the world, and... 903 00:51:57,347 --> 00:51:58,764 you don't have to feel anything, 904 00:51:58,848 --> 00:52:00,848 you don't have to care about anything, 905 00:52:00,930 --> 00:52:03,556 you don't have to like anybody... 906 00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,764 Jane: That came from a new place in me. 907 00:52:06,848 --> 00:52:10,222 That's when I realized that anyone can change 908 00:52:10,306 --> 00:52:12,389 and become fierce. 909 00:52:12,472 --> 00:52:14,598 ♪ ♪ 910 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:20,306 (theme song playing) 911 00:52:26,472 --> 00:52:30,639 Julian Pettifer: Jane Fonda, you've been taking your public by surprise recently. 912 00:52:30,723 --> 00:52:35,014 Instead of being pictured on the beaches of St. Tropez, you've been pictured 913 00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:39,097 invading Army camps and getting yourself arrested. 914 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:42,472 From where I am, it looks like a different Jane Fonda. 915 00:52:42,556 --> 00:52:45,014 Oh, I think you're right. I think I am different. 916 00:52:46,055 --> 00:52:49,264 Roger Vadim is French, a director of motion pictures, 917 00:52:49,347 --> 00:52:51,639 and the husband of Jane Fonda. 918 00:52:51,723 --> 00:52:54,431 Ms. Fonda is quite active in the peace movement, 919 00:52:54,514 --> 00:52:57,764 the civil rights field, efforts to aid Mexican-Americans, 920 00:52:57,848 --> 00:53:00,389 American-Indians, and dissident soldiers. 921 00:53:00,472 --> 00:53:02,889 Vadim says, "Ms. Fonda is happy, very happy. 922 00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:05,264 "But said she decided," as he put it, 923 00:53:05,347 --> 00:53:09,180 "To take on the sins of her country, she has lost her sense of humor." 924 00:53:09,264 --> 00:53:10,764 As a case in point, 925 00:53:10,848 --> 00:53:13,264 he reported that one day, recently, he called her 926 00:53:13,347 --> 00:53:14,681 "Jane of Arc." 927 00:53:14,764 --> 00:53:16,514 He says, she didn't laugh at all. 928 00:53:16,598 --> 00:53:18,264 ♪ ♪ 929 00:53:18,347 --> 00:53:20,930 Jane: I knew that I was gonna have to leave Vadim, 930 00:53:21,014 --> 00:53:25,639 and that whole hedonistic relationship. 931 00:53:25,723 --> 00:53:29,514 And I think it was deeply confusing for him 932 00:53:29,598 --> 00:53:32,806 to have a wife that he cared for leave him-- 933 00:53:32,889 --> 00:53:35,848 not for another man, but for an idea. 934 00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:36,930 ♪ ♪ 935 00:53:38,723 --> 00:53:42,014 Nathalie: She tends to move on from things. 936 00:53:42,889 --> 00:53:45,972 You know, you don't really realize how you affect people when you do that. 937 00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:48,180 It's like, "Oh, okay, now I'm done with this, 938 00:53:48,264 --> 00:53:51,598 therefore I'm gonna make new friends, and it's gonna be a new life." 939 00:53:52,472 --> 00:53:54,514 You know, and we got left behind. 940 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:55,972 ♪ ♪ 941 00:53:58,139 --> 00:54:00,556 Jane: I came back from France 942 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,014 and I moved into my father's house. 943 00:54:03,097 --> 00:54:06,723 And I began to... become an activist. 944 00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:11,347 And my father could look from the upstairs window 945 00:54:11,431 --> 00:54:14,347 down onto the courtyard and see 946 00:54:14,431 --> 00:54:18,347 the leadership of the Black Panther Party going in and out, 947 00:54:18,431 --> 00:54:21,180 and he said to me, "If I find out 948 00:54:21,264 --> 00:54:24,681 you are a Communist, I'm gonna turn you in!" 949 00:54:24,764 --> 00:54:29,264 And I remember running to my room, I was still living with him, 950 00:54:29,347 --> 00:54:31,764 and just pulling the covers over my head. 951 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:34,848 It came out of a fear, for me 952 00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:38,306 I understand that now, but it was so hurtful then. 953 00:54:39,472 --> 00:54:43,389 If you were good young people, you would be fitting yourself 954 00:54:43,472 --> 00:54:45,848 into a scenario that has been laid out for all of us, 955 00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:49,055 a nice, set scenario to fit us into the American way of life. 956 00:54:49,139 --> 00:54:51,264 And it says that you must conduct yourselves 957 00:54:51,347 --> 00:54:55,222 in the manner that meets the approval and standards of the people in power. 958 00:54:55,306 --> 00:54:58,097 It's called making it on your own. 959 00:54:58,180 --> 00:55:00,723 ♪ Well, come on, all of you big strong men ♪ 960 00:55:00,806 --> 00:55:02,889 ♪ Uncle Sam needs your help again ♪ 961 00:55:02,972 --> 00:55:05,097 ♪ Got himself in a terrible jam ♪ 962 00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:07,389 ♪ Way down yonder in Viet-nam ♪ 963 00:55:07,472 --> 00:55:09,556 ♪ Put down your books and pick up a gun ♪ 964 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,598 ♪ We're gonna have a whole lotta fun ♪ 965 00:55:11,681 --> 00:55:15,723 ♪ And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for? ♪ 966 00:55:15,806 --> 00:55:19,055 Jane: There was so much catching up to do about Vietnam 967 00:55:19,139 --> 00:55:22,055 and about Native Americans 968 00:55:22,139 --> 00:55:24,930 and about what was happening to black people, 969 00:55:25,014 --> 00:55:26,598 the Black Panthers. 970 00:55:26,681 --> 00:55:29,806 How could I have reached the age of 32 971 00:55:29,889 --> 00:55:32,014 in such ignorance? 972 00:55:33,222 --> 00:55:34,598 I felt so guilty, 973 00:55:34,681 --> 00:55:37,097 and I just felt like I had to, kind of, 974 00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:39,848 all of a sudden become an overnight... 975 00:55:42,139 --> 00:55:43,806 righteous activist. 976 00:55:43,889 --> 00:55:46,431 ♪ Well, there ain't no time to wonder why ♪ 977 00:55:46,514 --> 00:55:48,764 ♪ Whoopee, we're all gonna die ♪ 978 00:55:48,848 --> 00:55:50,723 -All right! -(crowd cheering) 979 00:55:50,806 --> 00:55:52,848 Country Joe McDonald: It's generally acknowledged that 980 00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:55,889 new people who join the movement become zealots. 981 00:55:57,556 --> 00:55:59,972 You know, they're like converts, you know. 982 00:56:00,055 --> 00:56:01,306 And I think that Jane is convinced 983 00:56:01,389 --> 00:56:04,306 that she is going to stop the war in Vietnam, 984 00:56:04,389 --> 00:56:06,180 and that she knows what is best 985 00:56:06,264 --> 00:56:07,472 and how to do it. 986 00:56:07,556 --> 00:56:08,639 Jane: I think people felt 987 00:56:08,723 --> 00:56:10,598 very suspicious about my motives. 988 00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:12,556 I would've if I'd been somebody else. 989 00:56:13,556 --> 00:56:17,514 "You are a rich movie star. Why do you care? Why are you... 990 00:56:17,598 --> 00:56:19,014 "involving yourself in this? 991 00:56:19,097 --> 00:56:21,556 And how can I be sure that you're for real?" 992 00:56:23,431 --> 00:56:25,639 I didn't quite know what I was doing, 993 00:56:25,723 --> 00:56:28,681 or how to make proper use of my celebrity. 994 00:56:28,764 --> 00:56:31,514 So much had happened so quickly. 995 00:56:35,431 --> 00:56:38,723 I was alternately bulimic and anorexic. 996 00:56:38,806 --> 00:56:44,723 I would, maybe, eat one soft-boiled egg and spinach a day, period. 997 00:56:45,764 --> 00:56:50,139 I took Dexedrine, which is speed. 998 00:56:51,139 --> 00:56:53,389 So I was really speedy, 999 00:56:53,972 --> 00:56:56,180 and I was starving, 1000 00:56:56,264 --> 00:57:00,014 along with, like, getting all of this new... 1001 00:57:00,097 --> 00:57:03,306 information coming in at a very rapid pace. 1002 00:57:03,764 --> 00:57:07,972 We here today, together with the multitudes across the country 1003 00:57:08,055 --> 00:57:11,514 that are joined together in massive protest, 1004 00:57:11,598 --> 00:57:15,972 are showing to Richard Nixon that his advisers... 1005 00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:19,389 that the silent majority is dead. 1006 00:57:19,472 --> 00:57:20,723 (applause) 1007 00:57:20,806 --> 00:57:23,055 Jane: I mean, I'm high-strung anyway, 1008 00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:25,514 but me on Dexedrine, without eating 1009 00:57:25,598 --> 00:57:29,264 and feeling like I have to say everything all at once, it's like... 1010 00:57:30,472 --> 00:57:34,014 I'm amazed that anybody could receive what I was saying. 1011 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:38,681 It was like, "Wow, who is this woman?" 1012 00:57:39,806 --> 00:57:42,889 The winner is Jane Fonda for Klute. 1013 00:57:42,972 --> 00:57:45,014 (applause) 1014 00:57:46,347 --> 00:57:49,681 Jane: My head was not in Hollywood. 1015 00:57:49,764 --> 00:57:54,264 I didn't think very much about my career anymore. 1016 00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:56,306 It wasn't where I was at. 1017 00:57:57,848 --> 00:58:02,472 I wasn't some privileged person kind of doling out money 1018 00:58:02,556 --> 00:58:04,639 and then going about my life. 1019 00:58:04,723 --> 00:58:08,972 It was full-time, on-the-ground activism. 1020 00:58:10,472 --> 00:58:12,097 I was on the road all the time. 1021 00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:16,222 I was identified with different movements, 1022 00:58:16,306 --> 00:58:18,806 and my life was very complicated 1023 00:58:18,889 --> 00:58:21,764 and very, very busy, and intense. 1024 00:58:21,848 --> 00:58:25,472 I do have a tendency to kind of go full bore, 1025 00:58:25,556 --> 00:58:28,389 200 percent, for better or worse. 1026 00:58:31,848 --> 00:58:33,889 It felt like a betrayal to Vanessa. 1027 00:58:35,889 --> 00:58:38,055 ♪ ♪ 1028 00:58:38,556 --> 00:58:41,930 One night, I laid her on a towel on the floor to change her diapers, 1029 00:58:42,014 --> 00:58:46,472 and she looked very deep into my eyes, 1030 00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:50,389 and I could tell that she was saying, "Where are you? 1031 00:58:54,097 --> 00:58:55,806 "Where are you? 1032 00:58:55,889 --> 00:58:57,848 "Why don't you show up?" 1033 00:58:57,930 --> 00:59:00,930 That's what I felt. 1034 00:59:01,014 --> 00:59:02,889 And I had to look away. 1035 00:59:05,389 --> 00:59:07,556 Isn't that awful? 1036 00:59:08,055 --> 00:59:11,180 I was kinda in over my head. 1037 00:59:11,264 --> 00:59:13,806 I desperately needed structure, 1038 00:59:13,889 --> 00:59:17,306 I desperately needed guidance, 1039 00:59:17,389 --> 00:59:18,598 and, uh, 1040 00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:21,806 I had always turned to men for that. 1041 00:59:23,723 --> 00:59:27,806 Tom Hayden: We must be unified, must be invincible, 1042 00:59:27,889 --> 00:59:31,556 must be strong, must find solidarity, 1043 00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,848 must struggle, must have a program, 1044 00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:39,723 and must be the rock on which this attempt to impose fascism is shattered. 1045 00:59:39,806 --> 00:59:41,472 (crowd cheering) 1046 00:59:41,556 --> 00:59:43,097 ♪ ♪ 1047 00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:48,347 Jane: I was downtown at some theater, 1048 00:59:48,431 --> 00:59:52,055 and this guy shows up... Tom Hayden. 1049 00:59:53,389 --> 00:59:54,848 Hayden: We connected a little bit, 1050 00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:56,681 and, uh, I could tell 1051 00:59:56,764 --> 00:59:59,556 that something was going on between us. 1052 00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,389 Jane: He was a movement hero. 1053 01:00:02,472 --> 01:00:05,055 I was extremely intimidated. 1054 01:00:05,139 --> 01:00:07,889 I thought, "Oh, there's just something so impish." 1055 01:00:07,972 --> 01:00:10,764 He had a twinkle in his eye. 1056 01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:14,055 He put his hand on my knee, 1057 01:00:14,139 --> 01:00:19,681 and I felt this electric shock go through my body, 1058 01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:24,556 and I came home, and I said-- I had a roommate at the time, Ruby, and I said to her, 1059 01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,055 "I think that I've met the man that I'm gonna marry next." 1060 01:00:28,139 --> 01:00:30,723 ♪ ♪ 1061 01:00:30,806 --> 01:00:35,055 He had been part of the formation of the New Left. 1062 01:00:35,139 --> 01:00:37,055 He had been one of the Chicago 7. 1063 01:00:37,139 --> 01:00:39,806 He was cofounder of SDS. 1064 01:00:41,806 --> 01:00:45,139 I was already an activist when Tom came along. 1065 01:00:45,222 --> 01:00:49,097 But he had such experience, he knew 1066 01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:52,431 how to help me go down that path, 1067 01:00:52,514 --> 01:00:55,347 better and smarter and deeper. 1068 01:00:56,681 --> 01:01:00,222 Hayden: I had been in the peace movement for a long time. 1069 01:01:00,306 --> 01:01:04,097 But the first SDS national demonstration, 1070 01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:06,598 the largest in American history, 1071 01:01:06,681 --> 01:01:09,055 was in 1965. 1072 01:01:09,139 --> 01:01:15,431 It was 25,000 people, that would grow by 20-fold in just a few years, 1073 01:01:15,514 --> 01:01:17,806 and Jane was involved in all of that. 1074 01:01:17,889 --> 01:01:22,723 She had a role in helping with the, uh, GI coffee houses 1075 01:01:22,806 --> 01:01:27,431 to share information with the soldiers about their options. 1076 01:01:27,514 --> 01:01:31,472 "Where exactly is Vietnam? What exactly could happen to me?" 1077 01:01:31,556 --> 01:01:34,014 That sort of thing was very real. 1078 01:01:34,097 --> 01:01:37,306 She suggested that she hadn't been thinking, 1079 01:01:37,389 --> 01:01:40,264 and that her recommendation was to think. 1080 01:01:40,347 --> 01:01:41,472 And they did. 1081 01:01:41,556 --> 01:01:43,347 ♪ ♪ 1082 01:01:43,431 --> 01:01:45,347 It spread to campuses, 1083 01:01:45,431 --> 01:01:49,389 where, eventually, many thousands of young men resisted. 1084 01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:54,806 I was drawn by her transformation 1085 01:01:54,889 --> 01:01:58,347 from a Hollywood star to a political star. 1086 01:02:04,222 --> 01:02:07,389 Dick Cavett: It's not often that a movie star also gets involved in anything 1087 01:02:07,472 --> 01:02:11,806 that might irritate people, and my next guest has certainly taken that chance 1088 01:02:11,889 --> 01:02:13,972 and done it to the hilt. 1089 01:02:14,055 --> 01:02:17,139 She, as I'm sure you know, recently returned from a trip to North Vietnam. 1090 01:02:17,222 --> 01:02:18,848 Will you welcome, please, Jane Fonda. 1091 01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:20,930 (applause) 1092 01:02:22,222 --> 01:02:24,681 You really got pasted this time by the press and others 1093 01:02:24,764 --> 01:02:27,681 when you came back, as you obviously know. 1094 01:02:27,764 --> 01:02:29,972 Would you have done anything differently 1095 01:02:30,055 --> 01:02:32,014 if you had it to do over again? 1096 01:02:32,097 --> 01:02:34,264 ♪ ♪ 1097 01:02:35,431 --> 01:02:37,514 Jane: It's a surreal thing to live through-- 1098 01:02:37,598 --> 01:02:41,764 what I experienced in the two weeks that I was in North Vietnam. 1099 01:02:43,764 --> 01:02:46,055 Flying from Nam Pen to Hanoi, 1100 01:02:46,139 --> 01:02:48,472 I look out the window, and I can see 1101 01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:50,848 American planes bombing. 1102 01:02:51,764 --> 01:02:53,556 Nixon was bringing ground troops home, 1103 01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,598 and he was saying that he was ending the war, 1104 01:02:55,681 --> 01:02:57,264 when, in fact, it wasn't ending. 1105 01:02:57,347 --> 01:03:00,347 It was escalating in terms of bombing of North Vietnam. 1106 01:03:16,681 --> 01:03:20,264 Jane: We began to get communiqués saying, this is really serious. 1107 01:03:20,347 --> 01:03:24,055 It looks like American planes are targeting 1108 01:03:24,139 --> 01:03:27,556 the dikes of North Vietnam right before the monsoon season. 1109 01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:31,055 If the dikes are weakened and give way, 1110 01:03:31,139 --> 01:03:34,681 a million people could drown or die from starvation. 1111 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:40,222 I'm always interested, first, in the mechanics of how somebody gets to North Vietnam. 1112 01:03:40,306 --> 01:03:43,806 A lot of people say, well, you know, "How come you got to go, 1113 01:03:43,889 --> 01:03:47,556 and how do you feel that you have a right to speak about the war?" 1114 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:49,972 And I have no more right than anyone else, you know? 1115 01:03:50,055 --> 01:03:53,889 Two years ago, I didn't even know where Vietnam was. 1116 01:03:53,972 --> 01:04:00,055 Why on earth would she conceive of the idea of going alone... 1117 01:04:00,139 --> 01:04:02,264 to Hanoi? 1118 01:04:02,347 --> 01:04:04,639 Would she have gone to Berlin 1119 01:04:04,723 --> 01:04:08,556 during the middle of the Anschluss? 1120 01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,848 She was, maybe, as some would say, searching for something in herself, 1121 01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:17,972 testing herself. "How brave am I? 1122 01:04:18,055 --> 01:04:21,806 Am I not just a flibbertigibbet on the screen?" 1123 01:04:21,889 --> 01:04:24,972 We might need psychiatry to help us with the answer to this. 1124 01:04:25,055 --> 01:04:27,306 (laughs) I'm not sure. 1125 01:04:27,389 --> 01:04:31,764 It's either brave or foolish, and I think it partook of both. 1126 01:04:32,848 --> 01:04:35,723 ♪ ♪ 1127 01:05:05,764 --> 01:05:08,389 Lesley Stahl: Were you trying to get the soldiers 1128 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:10,681 to disobey their orders? 1129 01:05:10,764 --> 01:05:12,431 No, I-I... 1130 01:05:13,431 --> 01:05:16,514 I knew that you cannot ask a soldier to disobey orders. 1131 01:05:16,598 --> 01:05:18,514 You're not the one that pays the consequences. 1132 01:05:18,598 --> 01:05:20,848 Well, you said, this is direct quotes, 1133 01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:23,180 "I beg you to consider what you are doing. 1134 01:05:23,264 --> 01:05:27,306 "The hospitals are filled with babies and women and old people. 1135 01:05:27,389 --> 01:05:29,681 Can you justify what you are doing?" 1136 01:05:29,764 --> 01:05:34,598 Doesn't that sound like you're asking them to stop what they're doing? 1137 01:05:36,014 --> 01:05:38,556 I'm asking them to consider it. 1138 01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:40,139 ♪ ♪ 1139 01:05:41,472 --> 01:05:42,639 Cavett: And then, in your trip, you were photographed 1140 01:05:42,723 --> 01:05:46,598 behind an aerial gun of the, uh, North Vietnamese, 1141 01:05:46,681 --> 01:05:50,723 if not the Vietcong, I'm not sure. That seemed a bit tactless. 1142 01:05:50,806 --> 01:05:53,889 What were you doing behind an enemy gun? 1143 01:05:53,972 --> 01:05:57,222 I didn't think, at the time, about how it would be, uh, received. 1144 01:05:57,306 --> 01:06:00,972 And I can understand why people were very confused by that. 1145 01:06:01,598 --> 01:06:05,222 The soldiers received me there and sang me a song. 1146 01:06:05,306 --> 01:06:08,222 It was very moving to me because they were expressing the same sentiments 1147 01:06:08,306 --> 01:06:10,556 that American GIs expressed to me. 1148 01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:12,681 And I was applauding their song 1149 01:06:12,764 --> 01:06:15,764 and this was what was shown on American television. 1150 01:06:15,848 --> 01:06:17,139 Cavett: Yeah, yeah. 1151 01:06:17,222 --> 01:06:19,514 Well, I wondered how you got there. 1152 01:06:21,681 --> 01:06:24,472 Jane: I'm--I'm naive and I make mistakes, but... 1153 01:06:24,556 --> 01:06:28,222 it was my fault that I sat there. 1154 01:06:29,514 --> 01:06:32,431 The image of Jane Fonda, 1155 01:06:32,514 --> 01:06:33,972 Barbarella, 1156 01:06:34,055 --> 01:06:35,930 Henry Fonda's daughter 1157 01:06:36,014 --> 01:06:41,139 sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal. 1158 01:06:41,222 --> 01:06:44,139 It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military 1159 01:06:44,222 --> 01:06:46,139 and at-- at the country 1160 01:06:46,222 --> 01:06:48,764 that gave me privilege. 1161 01:06:48,848 --> 01:06:51,264 ♪ ♪ 1162 01:06:51,347 --> 01:06:55,014 As I've said many times, I will go to my grave regretting that. 1163 01:06:56,389 --> 01:06:58,347 ♪ ♪ 1164 01:06:59,723 --> 01:07:02,097 Hayden: I wasn't there. I might have stopped it. 1165 01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,639 I would not have advised it, but you can't stop the media. 1166 01:07:05,723 --> 01:07:10,014 And so you took this picture and of course it went viral. 1167 01:07:11,055 --> 01:07:16,097 I thought it was a problem of the celebrity spotlight, 1168 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:20,472 when you're used by the media, and blown up by the media, 1169 01:07:20,556 --> 01:07:23,598 you will make a mistake in the media. 1170 01:07:23,681 --> 01:07:24,681 ♪ ♪ 1171 01:07:24,764 --> 01:07:26,764 (reporters clamoring) 1172 01:07:28,681 --> 01:07:30,930 Newsman: The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine 1173 01:07:31,014 --> 01:07:32,347 whether Ms. Fonda had violated 1174 01:07:32,431 --> 01:07:34,681 sedition, treason or other statutes. 1175 01:07:34,764 --> 01:07:37,806 Howard Smith: Distrust movie actors with causes. 1176 01:07:37,889 --> 01:07:41,306 They live in so rarefied an atmosphere of celebrity 1177 01:07:41,389 --> 01:07:45,639 that they have no conception of the ambiguity of right and wrong in real life. 1178 01:07:45,723 --> 01:07:47,431 ♪ ♪ 1179 01:07:48,723 --> 01:07:52,472 Jane: They needed a very visible person 1180 01:07:52,556 --> 01:07:54,848 who represented the peace movement 1181 01:07:54,930 --> 01:07:58,180 to do something really terrible, 1182 01:07:58,264 --> 01:08:00,681 and that was me. 1183 01:08:00,764 --> 01:08:02,264 (crowd cheering) 1184 01:08:13,389 --> 01:08:15,972 Man 1: The petition we're circulating asks the Justice Department 1185 01:08:16,055 --> 01:08:19,347 to prosecute Jane Fonda to the fullest extent of the law 1186 01:08:19,431 --> 01:08:22,055 for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 1187 01:08:22,139 --> 01:08:24,097 Man 2: Jane Fonda's an outrageous liar. 1188 01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:26,222 She's a hypocrite and a liar. 1189 01:08:26,306 --> 01:08:28,764 Man 3: She's the most despicable woman in the United States. 1190 01:08:28,848 --> 01:08:30,889 Man 4: There are other people in films, too, that we don't ask 1191 01:08:30,972 --> 01:08:33,055 for advice, such as Mickey Mouse or Lassie. 1192 01:08:33,139 --> 01:08:35,347 Woman: I don't think she should've done the things that she's done 1193 01:08:35,431 --> 01:08:37,889 and said about our country and come back and lived in the country. 1194 01:08:37,972 --> 01:08:40,848 Fletcher Thompson: I don't care if she's a tender, young female, 1195 01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:44,014 a famous movie star, that is treason. 1196 01:08:44,097 --> 01:08:45,889 It's under active investigation. 1197 01:08:45,972 --> 01:08:48,431 They have not yet made a decision as to whether 1198 01:08:48,514 --> 01:08:50,264 to prosecute or not prosecute. 1199 01:08:50,347 --> 01:08:52,389 Jane: And of course, they found nothing, 1200 01:08:52,472 --> 01:08:55,389 so the charges of treason have been dropped. 1201 01:08:55,472 --> 01:08:59,723 And they don't understand that I... I came back here because I love America. 1202 01:08:59,806 --> 01:09:02,514 The democratic ideals upon which our country is founded 1203 01:09:02,598 --> 01:09:04,681 is-- are being betrayed. 1204 01:09:05,556 --> 01:09:07,972 -We have an obligation to resist this. -Cavett: I'm sorry, Jane. 1205 01:09:08,055 --> 01:09:11,681 I'm disturbed by your difference between your content and your style. 1206 01:09:12,639 --> 01:09:15,930 Cavett: I've always liked Jane, and I always admired 1207 01:09:16,014 --> 01:09:17,764 her guts, but I worried about her. 1208 01:09:17,848 --> 01:09:23,472 She was, to use the mildest possible word, hated. 1209 01:09:24,681 --> 01:09:27,431 Hayden: I mean, you had people in legislatures arguing 1210 01:09:27,514 --> 01:09:30,639 that she should have her tongue cut out and that she should be hung and so on. 1211 01:09:30,723 --> 01:09:34,264 I think, also, part of it was that she was very effective. 1212 01:09:34,347 --> 01:09:38,055 So, she had to be quickly stereotyped and-- and gotten rid of. 1213 01:09:38,139 --> 01:09:40,055 ♪ ♪ 1214 01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:44,930 It was McCarthyism recycled under Nixon, 1215 01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:47,848 and they just tried to smear her reputation over and over. 1216 01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:50,347 They would have killed her if they could. 1217 01:09:52,097 --> 01:09:56,014 Nixon, of course, had already advocated bombing the dikes. 1218 01:09:56,097 --> 01:09:58,180 One reason he did not 1219 01:09:58,264 --> 01:10:01,972 is that Jane Fonda was brave enough to stand on those dikes 1220 01:10:02,055 --> 01:10:04,681 and denounce what would happen 1221 01:10:04,764 --> 01:10:09,306 to hundred of thousands of peasants if the dikes were bombed. 1222 01:10:09,389 --> 01:10:12,514 She was willing to be attacked over that. 1223 01:10:13,264 --> 01:10:15,306 Abbie Hoffman: I consider Jane Fonda one of the-- 1224 01:10:15,389 --> 01:10:18,639 the most courageous women of our time, probably the most courageous... 1225 01:10:18,723 --> 01:10:21,972 -(scattered applause) -...she made a conversion from a life that was so sterile 1226 01:10:22,055 --> 01:10:25,014 and easy to live into a life that's filled 1227 01:10:25,097 --> 01:10:29,222 with harassment and ridicule and requires real courage. 1228 01:10:30,764 --> 01:10:34,139 Jane: I'm proud of most of what I did, 1229 01:10:34,222 --> 01:10:37,681 and I'm very sorry for some of what I did. 1230 01:10:37,764 --> 01:10:39,889 ♪ ♪ 1231 01:10:42,889 --> 01:10:47,389 In Hanoi, I had met a number of POWs, and we talked, 1232 01:10:47,472 --> 01:10:51,472 about the World Series, primarily, and about some of their experiences. 1233 01:10:51,556 --> 01:10:53,514 ♪ ♪ 1234 01:10:53,598 --> 01:10:55,723 But when the POWs came home, 1235 01:10:55,806 --> 01:11:00,306 certain POWs were handpicked to travel around the country 1236 01:11:00,389 --> 01:11:02,972 talking about torture. 1237 01:11:03,055 --> 01:11:05,723 If Ms. Fonda thinks for a minute 1238 01:11:05,806 --> 01:11:10,014 that any of the people that she saw were able to speak freely, 1239 01:11:10,097 --> 01:11:11,930 she's got another thing coming. 1240 01:11:12,014 --> 01:11:14,723 I think coerced is a very mild word. 1241 01:11:14,806 --> 01:11:17,514 I'd use the word tortured, initially. 1242 01:11:17,598 --> 01:11:19,764 I think they're lying, and I think they're not only going to have to live 1243 01:11:19,848 --> 01:11:23,389 with the fact that they were carrying out acts of murder 1244 01:11:23,472 --> 01:11:26,889 for the rest of their lives, they're also going to have to live with the fact 1245 01:11:26,972 --> 01:11:28,764 that they're lying on their consciousness... 1246 01:11:28,848 --> 01:11:32,014 Jane: Torture of POWs had ended 1247 01:11:32,097 --> 01:11:35,306 in North Vietnam in 1969. 1248 01:11:35,639 --> 01:11:38,097 Three years before I went there. 1249 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,764 Man: This court finds you guilty 1250 01:11:39,848 --> 01:11:42,556 of the crime of high treason against the United States. 1251 01:11:42,639 --> 01:11:44,431 (crowd cheers) 1252 01:11:44,514 --> 01:11:47,848 Cavett: Jane gave as good as she got when she was... attacked. 1253 01:11:48,681 --> 01:11:52,431 But Jane had a way of making things worse for herself. 1254 01:11:52,514 --> 01:11:54,431 Never before in the history of warfare 1255 01:11:54,514 --> 01:11:57,431 have prisoners of war come back looking like football players. 1256 01:11:57,514 --> 01:12:01,055 Never in the history of war have men come back and been able 1257 01:12:01,139 --> 01:12:03,598 to come off planes, saluting smartly and hug their wives. 1258 01:12:03,681 --> 01:12:05,431 And we should try to help each other understand 1259 01:12:05,514 --> 01:12:07,889 why these men are being used this way. 1260 01:12:07,972 --> 01:12:11,097 Not do ourselves and them the disservice of making them into heroes. 1261 01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:14,431 Why not the legless and armless vets who have come back to welfare? 1262 01:12:14,514 --> 01:12:17,764 Why not all those men who died over there on the ground-- 1263 01:12:17,848 --> 01:12:19,889 -(woman shouting) -(gavel pounding) 1264 01:12:19,972 --> 01:12:21,431 -Why aren't they heroes? -(gavel pounding) 1265 01:12:21,514 --> 01:12:23,097 You're a gutless little traitor! 1266 01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:26,806 (cheering and applauding) 1267 01:12:26,889 --> 01:12:29,806 (man continues shouting) 1268 01:12:29,889 --> 01:12:31,097 ♪ ♪ 1269 01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:35,806 Jane: I was so angry that Nixon 1270 01:12:35,889 --> 01:12:39,806 used freeing the POWS and bringing them home 1271 01:12:39,889 --> 01:12:41,639 as a justification 1272 01:12:41,723 --> 01:12:45,723 for continuing the war and carpet-bombing North Vietnam. 1273 01:12:46,681 --> 01:12:50,472 I have no idea what it must be like to be a POW. 1274 01:12:50,556 --> 01:12:54,431 I do know that they were used by the government. 1275 01:12:54,514 --> 01:12:57,806 (protesters chanting) 1276 01:12:57,889 --> 01:13:03,097 Jane: It was a very... tumultuous and polarized time. 1277 01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,764 There was a lot of anger and blame, 1278 01:13:06,848 --> 01:13:11,139 and for myself, I really, I didn't know 1279 01:13:11,222 --> 01:13:16,972 always how to channel my anger in constructive ways. 1280 01:13:18,431 --> 01:13:22,347 I killed a lot of people, and I live with a lot of nightmares! 1281 01:13:22,431 --> 01:13:26,514 And then I got shot in this country's war. 1282 01:13:26,598 --> 01:13:28,514 Jane: I heard Ron Kovic speak 1283 01:13:28,598 --> 01:13:31,598 at a very big rally of a couple thousand people. 1284 01:13:32,639 --> 01:13:35,723 He was paralyzed during the Vietnam War, 1285 01:13:35,806 --> 01:13:38,514 and he became an activist with the GI Movement. 1286 01:13:38,598 --> 01:13:43,014 He said, "I've lost my body, yeah, but I've gained my mind." 1287 01:13:43,097 --> 01:13:46,306 And I thought, I could build a movie around that. 1288 01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:48,764 ♪ ♪ 1289 01:13:49,431 --> 01:13:52,347 ♪ Once I was a soldier ♪ 1290 01:13:52,431 --> 01:13:54,014 You're a mess. 1291 01:13:54,097 --> 01:13:55,972 ♪ ♪ 1292 01:13:57,639 --> 01:13:59,723 Were you wounded in 'Nam? 1293 01:13:59,806 --> 01:14:01,222 Right. 1294 01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:04,014 When did it happen? 1295 01:14:05,848 --> 01:14:08,681 A long time ago. 1296 01:14:10,347 --> 01:14:12,264 My husband just went over there. 1297 01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:14,222 (laughs) Poor bastard. 1298 01:14:14,306 --> 01:14:17,097 ♪ Once I was a lover ♪ 1299 01:14:18,347 --> 01:14:22,055 Jane: The studios didn't want to make a film about the war. 1300 01:14:22,139 --> 01:14:26,514 It took six years until we finally could get it made. 1301 01:14:27,472 --> 01:14:33,180 I had been working with returned veterans from Vietnam for several years. 1302 01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:38,431 It was a story about coming home 1303 01:14:38,514 --> 01:14:41,139 after being through what they had been through. 1304 01:14:41,222 --> 01:14:44,723 If it's over with us, it's over! 1305 01:14:46,014 --> 01:14:48,222 Well, what are you saying? That you're not even gonna make the effort? 1306 01:14:48,306 --> 01:14:50,972 (screaming): What I'm saying is... 1307 01:14:51,055 --> 01:14:53,598 -I don't belong in this house! -Please-- 1308 01:14:53,681 --> 01:14:56,180 And they're saying that I don't belong over there! 1309 01:14:58,180 --> 01:15:00,389 Luke Martin: You know, you wanna be a part of it and patriotic, 1310 01:15:00,472 --> 01:15:02,055 and go out and... 1311 01:15:02,139 --> 01:15:06,556 get your licks in at the US of A, and... 1312 01:15:08,972 --> 01:15:12,930 and... when you get over there, 1313 01:15:13,014 --> 01:15:15,556 it's a totally different situation. 1314 01:15:16,681 --> 01:15:18,055 I mean... 1315 01:15:18,139 --> 01:15:20,180 (sighs) 1316 01:15:20,264 --> 01:15:22,180 ...you grow up real quick, 1317 01:15:23,389 --> 01:15:25,972 because all you're seeing is, um, 1318 01:15:26,055 --> 01:15:27,930 a lot of death. 1319 01:15:28,014 --> 01:15:29,681 ♪ ♪ 1320 01:15:31,055 --> 01:15:33,472 Jane: There were soldiers who came back feeling 1321 01:15:33,556 --> 01:15:35,556 that they should never have gone. 1322 01:15:38,598 --> 01:15:40,139 There were also men, 1323 01:15:40,222 --> 01:15:42,306 even though they were physically damaged, 1324 01:15:42,389 --> 01:15:46,639 who came back still staunch believers. 1325 01:15:46,723 --> 01:15:48,347 ♪ ♪ 1326 01:15:50,222 --> 01:15:51,472 I feel... 1327 01:15:51,556 --> 01:15:54,347 just as compassionate for them as I do 1328 01:15:54,431 --> 01:15:55,972 for the other soldiers. 1329 01:15:56,055 --> 01:15:58,556 ♪ ♪ 1330 01:16:04,097 --> 01:16:06,930 To men who were, in Vietnam, who... 1331 01:16:09,806 --> 01:16:11,848 who I hurt 1332 01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:14,889 or whose pain I caused to-- 1333 01:16:14,972 --> 01:16:18,848 to deepen because of things that I said or I did, uh... 1334 01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:22,222 I-I feel that I owe them an apology. 1335 01:16:24,472 --> 01:16:27,723 My intentions were never to hurt them or make their situation worse. 1336 01:16:27,806 --> 01:16:29,472 It was... It was the contrary. 1337 01:16:29,556 --> 01:16:32,598 I was trying to help end the killing, end the war. 1338 01:16:35,639 --> 01:16:38,014 But there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it, 1339 01:16:38,097 --> 01:16:41,972 and I'm-- and I am... very sorry that I hurt them, 1340 01:16:42,055 --> 01:16:45,472 and I want to apologize to them and to their families. 1341 01:16:49,306 --> 01:16:51,264 ♪ ♪ 1342 01:16:56,639 --> 01:16:59,222 Jane: During the time that it took to make Coming Home, 1343 01:16:59,306 --> 01:17:01,472 I was making other movies. 1344 01:17:02,306 --> 01:17:04,930 But a lot of that time, I was on the road with Tom. 1345 01:17:05,014 --> 01:17:07,180 ♪ ♪ 1346 01:17:09,097 --> 01:17:13,556 Tom said, "We have to go to the grassroots. 1347 01:17:13,639 --> 01:17:17,556 "We have to speak to the silent majority. 1348 01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:19,723 "Let's do a 60-city tour, 1349 01:17:19,806 --> 01:17:23,848 over three months, across the United States." 1350 01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:27,639 And within weeks, we created the Indochina Peace Campaign. 1351 01:17:27,723 --> 01:17:29,972 ♪ ♪ 1352 01:17:31,972 --> 01:17:35,139 We would sleep in people's houses, you know, waterbeds. 1353 01:17:35,222 --> 01:17:38,431 Sometimes, we were both sq-- in a twin bed. 1354 01:17:38,514 --> 01:17:42,930 And it was in a motor home, driving toward Buffalo, 1355 01:17:43,014 --> 01:17:47,514 when I became impregnated with Troy. 1356 01:17:49,014 --> 01:17:52,972 I remember we called Tom's mother, Jean, who lived in Detroit, 1357 01:17:53,055 --> 01:17:56,180 and she said, "You know, you're gonna have to get married." 1358 01:17:57,347 --> 01:17:59,556 We thought that was bourgeois. 1359 01:17:59,639 --> 01:18:02,930 And she said, "You know, what are you gonna do when you go on The Johnny Carson Show 1360 01:18:03,014 --> 01:18:06,139 "and you wanna talk about Vietnam, and they wanna talk about 1361 01:18:06,222 --> 01:18:10,180 "how come you're having a kid and you're not married," and that made sense. 1362 01:18:10,264 --> 01:18:13,431 (whispering): I really wanted to get married, to tell you the truth. 1363 01:18:13,514 --> 01:18:16,681 Hayden: We got a gay Episcopal priest, 1364 01:18:16,764 --> 01:18:21,472 who I think was thrown out of the order for having married us, 1365 01:18:21,556 --> 01:18:24,347 and, uh, life went on. 1366 01:18:24,431 --> 01:18:27,723 ♪ ♪ 1367 01:18:29,556 --> 01:18:31,972 Jane: With Troy, we didn't want him to have 1368 01:18:32,055 --> 01:18:35,180 his father's name just automatically, or Fonda. 1369 01:18:35,264 --> 01:18:38,514 You know, we wanted him to have a name that didn't have so much baggage. 1370 01:18:38,598 --> 01:18:43,389 So we named him Troy O'Donovan Garity. 1371 01:18:45,055 --> 01:18:48,306 Troy Garity: My parents made a conscious decision to... 1372 01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:52,972 try to live as... normally as possible. 1373 01:18:54,264 --> 01:18:57,639 I know that that sounds insane because they are abnormal. 1374 01:18:57,723 --> 01:19:00,723 -(applause) -Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home ! 1375 01:19:00,806 --> 01:19:02,389 (cheering) 1376 01:19:03,806 --> 01:19:07,347 Garity: We went to the Oscars in a station wagon. 1377 01:19:07,431 --> 01:19:10,180 My father wore like a-- the ugliest suit in the world. 1378 01:19:10,264 --> 01:19:14,639 I wore a T-shirt with a hand-screened tuxedo thing on it. 1379 01:19:14,723 --> 01:19:16,222 (dog whines) 1380 01:19:16,306 --> 01:19:19,472 It wasn't a normal family unit. 1381 01:19:19,556 --> 01:19:23,681 Like we weren't, you know, vacationing in tropical paradises. 1382 01:19:23,764 --> 01:19:26,639 You know, we holidayed in conflict zones. 1383 01:19:27,972 --> 01:19:30,014 I was potty-trained 1384 01:19:30,097 --> 01:19:31,972 in a Vietnam bomb shelter. 1385 01:19:33,306 --> 01:19:35,139 I just got dragged with them. 1386 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:41,389 Being in an IRA, you know, stronghold in Belfast, 1387 01:19:41,472 --> 01:19:44,556 and a boy comes in with his thumb blown off, 1388 01:19:44,639 --> 01:19:48,723 and my father dips the rag in his blood and's like, "This is your blood. 1389 01:19:48,806 --> 01:19:51,556 This is your fucking blood. This is your people." 1390 01:19:51,639 --> 01:19:53,055 I'm five. 1391 01:19:53,139 --> 01:19:54,848 ♪ ♪ 1392 01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:57,180 My first 13 birthday parties were fundraisers. (chuckles) 1393 01:19:57,264 --> 01:20:01,264 Anything that represented, like, wealth or establishment 1394 01:20:01,347 --> 01:20:04,389 was looked on with a lot of skepticism. 1395 01:20:04,472 --> 01:20:06,889 "If my coworker can't have a pool, 1396 01:20:06,972 --> 01:20:08,889 "then I'm not having a fucking pool. 1397 01:20:08,972 --> 01:20:12,514 I'd rather take that money give it to the United Farm Workers Fund." 1398 01:20:14,389 --> 01:20:17,556 You know, the house I was raised in, there was another family living... 1399 01:20:17,639 --> 01:20:19,306 in the house with us. 1400 01:20:19,389 --> 01:20:22,306 Uh, at times, we had organizers sleeping on the porch. 1401 01:20:22,389 --> 01:20:24,598 There was a homeless person that slept under the house. 1402 01:20:24,681 --> 01:20:27,723 I would come home sometimes and he would be dressed in... 1403 01:20:27,806 --> 01:20:29,930 in my parents' clothes. Yeah. 1404 01:20:30,014 --> 01:20:32,972 Jane: They were one house right next to the other. 1405 01:20:33,055 --> 01:20:37,514 Nightwatchman on one side and a Marxist writer on the other. 1406 01:20:38,389 --> 01:20:42,347 And we lived in this house that was-- my dad called it a shack. 1407 01:20:43,347 --> 01:20:45,764 We had furniture from Salvation Army. 1408 01:20:45,848 --> 01:20:49,014 We had no dishwasher, we had no washing machine. 1409 01:20:50,014 --> 01:20:52,139 It was... 1410 01:20:53,389 --> 01:20:56,764 I was very happy, and I was very proud of myself. 1411 01:21:00,055 --> 01:21:03,598 I wanted to show Tom that I could do it. 1412 01:21:03,681 --> 01:21:07,389 I didn't want him to think that I was... spoiled. 1413 01:21:08,723 --> 01:21:10,972 Hayden: We were intensely in love, 1414 01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:13,848 pursuing common life goals. 1415 01:21:14,764 --> 01:21:19,389 The neighborhood was swollen with activists, of all kinds. 1416 01:21:20,723 --> 01:21:25,806 Paula Weinstein: It was a really, tiny, little version of-- of a commune. 1417 01:21:25,889 --> 01:21:27,639 I would be invited all the time to come 1418 01:21:27,723 --> 01:21:29,514 for dinner and there was no dinner. 1419 01:21:29,598 --> 01:21:32,514 And I was like, "I don't understand, what happened to dinner?" 1420 01:21:32,598 --> 01:21:35,222 It was espresso. Jane's not a cook. 1421 01:21:36,764 --> 01:21:39,347 We would get in our little Volkswagen Bug, 1422 01:21:39,431 --> 01:21:41,556 and go to the local pizzeria and... 1423 01:21:42,431 --> 01:21:44,681 it was wonderful. 1424 01:21:44,764 --> 01:21:46,681 But when you combine 1425 01:21:46,764 --> 01:21:49,014 the fever of celebrity 1426 01:21:49,097 --> 01:21:52,014 with the furor of... 1427 01:21:52,097 --> 01:21:55,514 anti-war, um, activities, 1428 01:21:55,598 --> 01:22:00,389 um, there was a lot of heat around our home. 1429 01:22:03,097 --> 01:22:06,055 Jane: I will never forget the day that we came home, 1430 01:22:06,139 --> 01:22:07,889 there wasn't a drawer in the house 1431 01:22:07,972 --> 01:22:10,055 that wasn't pulled out and turned over. 1432 01:22:10,139 --> 01:22:12,639 Everything was torn out of the closets. 1433 01:22:12,723 --> 01:22:14,681 Papers were rifled, desks were open. 1434 01:22:14,764 --> 01:22:17,222 I mean, someone had gone through our house. 1435 01:22:17,306 --> 01:22:21,389 And it was done so blatantly, and mess-- 1436 01:22:21,472 --> 01:22:25,431 I mean, I knew that it was... to scare us. 1437 01:22:25,514 --> 01:22:27,306 ♪ ♪ 1438 01:22:28,472 --> 01:22:31,930 I was aware that I was being followed, 1439 01:22:32,014 --> 01:22:34,889 and there was very little attempt to disguise it. 1440 01:22:34,972 --> 01:22:39,472 There would be these guys in trench coats with dark glasses. (chuckles) 1441 01:22:41,514 --> 01:22:44,764 The FBI would follow Vanessa to school. 1442 01:22:44,848 --> 01:22:48,055 The more I saw them the more my attitude was, 1443 01:22:48,139 --> 01:22:49,889 "You think I'm gonna back down?" 1444 01:22:49,972 --> 01:22:51,556 I mean, that's one thing, you know, 1445 01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:53,514 every time people think they're gonna scare me, 1446 01:22:53,598 --> 01:22:55,681 then that's the wrong way to approach it. 1447 01:22:55,764 --> 01:22:57,723 Because, no. 1448 01:22:57,806 --> 01:23:00,014 ♪ ♪ 1449 01:23:01,889 --> 01:23:07,180 I saw, with Tom, what it meant to build a movement, 1450 01:23:08,139 --> 01:23:10,972 what organizing meant. 1451 01:23:13,139 --> 01:23:16,472 He realized that what needed to be focused on 1452 01:23:16,556 --> 01:23:20,889 was moving power out of the hands of the super rich and the corporations, 1453 01:23:20,972 --> 01:23:25,431 into the hands of people, the way it should be in a democracy. 1454 01:23:25,514 --> 01:23:30,222 So, the Campaign for Economic Democracy evolved. 1455 01:23:30,306 --> 01:23:35,306 We knew that we wanted to spread a message throughout the country. 1456 01:23:36,514 --> 01:23:39,389 It was difficult because we had to raise so much money, 1457 01:23:39,472 --> 01:23:42,055 and it was during a recession. 1458 01:23:43,556 --> 01:23:47,639 So Tom and I talked about this and we thought, "Well, let's start a business 1459 01:23:47,723 --> 01:23:49,972 that will fund the work." 1460 01:23:50,055 --> 01:23:53,472 We talked about... "Maybe a restaurant." 1461 01:23:53,556 --> 01:23:56,139 That would have been a disaster. 1462 01:23:56,222 --> 01:23:59,764 Then we thought, "Maybe a car wash that doesn't rip people off." 1463 01:23:59,848 --> 01:24:03,431 Well, that-- You know, I mean, we had no idea. 1464 01:24:04,431 --> 01:24:09,014 And then one day, I suddenly thought... (gasps) 1465 01:24:09,097 --> 01:24:10,930 "The Workout. 1466 01:24:11,014 --> 01:24:14,681 If there's one thing I understand, it's working out." 1467 01:24:14,764 --> 01:24:17,514 -(up-tempo music playing) -(woman cheers) 1468 01:24:17,598 --> 01:24:19,972 Jane: One camera. 1469 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,472 There were no teleprompters or anything like that. 1470 01:24:22,556 --> 01:24:25,222 I wrote the script sitting on a floor of a hotel room. 1471 01:24:25,306 --> 01:24:27,472 We did our own hair and makeup. 1472 01:24:27,556 --> 01:24:30,055 I mean, it was a spit and a prayer. 1473 01:24:30,139 --> 01:24:32,723 And the rest is history. 1474 01:24:32,806 --> 01:24:34,264 ♪ ♪ 1475 01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:39,514 That video came out, and almost overnight 1476 01:24:39,598 --> 01:24:43,055 became and remains the number one home video of all-time. 1477 01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:46,389 Are you ready to do the workout? 1478 01:24:46,472 --> 01:24:50,180 And it was owned by the Campaign for Economic Democracy. 1479 01:24:50,264 --> 01:24:52,681 The organization owned it, not me, 1480 01:24:52,764 --> 01:24:55,055 and all the profits went into the organization. 1481 01:24:55,139 --> 01:24:58,180 Right, two. And back, two. 1482 01:24:58,264 --> 01:25:01,514 It sold 17 million copies. 1483 01:25:01,598 --> 01:25:04,723 A video industry developed, because everyone wanted 1484 01:25:04,806 --> 01:25:08,431 to buy my video and use it over and over and over. 1485 01:25:08,514 --> 01:25:11,389 I'm the first non-engineer 1486 01:25:11,472 --> 01:25:14,723 to be inducted into the Video Hall of Fame. 1487 01:25:14,806 --> 01:25:17,764 You know, they credited me for building the video industry. 1488 01:25:18,972 --> 01:25:21,389 It was a pretty interesting time for me 1489 01:25:21,472 --> 01:25:25,431 because people recognized me in a whole different way. 1490 01:25:25,514 --> 01:25:30,306 Women would come up to me and say, you know, "I don't need sleeping pills anymore." 1491 01:25:30,972 --> 01:25:36,347 Another one would talk about how she felt different, she felt stronger. 1492 01:25:37,848 --> 01:25:41,055 It's funny, when I thought about it, that was true for me. 1493 01:25:41,139 --> 01:25:45,014 You know, I had suffered from an eating disorder for a long time. 1494 01:25:46,556 --> 01:25:49,723 Nobody knew. You know, one of the things about bulimia 1495 01:25:49,806 --> 01:25:52,514 is that it's a... it's a disease of denial. 1496 01:25:53,389 --> 01:25:55,764 You know, it takes a lot of subterfuge. 1497 01:25:55,848 --> 01:25:57,598 ♪ ♪ 1498 01:25:57,681 --> 01:26:01,097 You're very tired, and you're very angry, 1499 01:26:01,180 --> 01:26:03,764 and you're very self-hating. 1500 01:26:03,848 --> 01:26:05,723 And I realized, 1501 01:26:05,806 --> 01:26:08,222 I'm heading into a really dark place, 1502 01:26:08,306 --> 01:26:10,930 and I'm-- I either am gonna head to the light 1503 01:26:11,014 --> 01:26:13,055 or I'm gonna succumb to the dark, 1504 01:26:13,139 --> 01:26:14,556 and it's a life or death thing. 1505 01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:15,889 ♪ ♪ 1506 01:26:15,972 --> 01:26:18,139 I went cold turkey. 1507 01:26:18,222 --> 01:26:21,306 It was really, really hard. 1508 01:26:22,389 --> 01:26:26,055 There was something about taking control of my body, in that way, 1509 01:26:26,139 --> 01:26:28,639 that got me over the addiction. 1510 01:26:28,723 --> 01:26:30,930 It changed my perception of myself. 1511 01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:35,806 I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, 1512 01:26:35,889 --> 01:26:39,514 "Revolution begins in the muscles." 1513 01:26:39,598 --> 01:26:41,639 ♪ ♪ 1514 01:26:41,723 --> 01:26:44,514 And it was a revolution for me, 1515 01:26:44,598 --> 01:26:47,598 but it was completely unintentional, 1516 01:26:47,681 --> 01:26:51,598 you know, I did the workout to fund the organization. 1517 01:26:52,723 --> 01:26:55,055 It was for Tom. 1518 01:26:55,764 --> 01:26:59,306 Weinstein: They formed a team around politics, 1519 01:26:59,389 --> 01:27:02,306 and around the children. 1520 01:27:02,389 --> 01:27:05,306 But she didn't have as much confidence 1521 01:27:05,389 --> 01:27:08,347 as I think she should've in those days, 1522 01:27:08,431 --> 01:27:14,598 And Tom is so compelling that he's a hard force to argue with. 1523 01:27:15,972 --> 01:27:19,014 Jane: You know, here is a man who was considered an intellectual, 1524 01:27:19,097 --> 01:27:21,806 he was considered a star in the movement, 1525 01:27:21,889 --> 01:27:24,389 and he'd written-- I don't remember how many books he'd written. 1526 01:27:24,472 --> 01:27:28,639 And then I write Jane Fonda's Workout Book, 1527 01:27:28,723 --> 01:27:32,514 and it becomes the number one on the New York Times for two years. 1528 01:27:32,598 --> 01:27:37,180 Two solid years. 1529 01:27:37,264 --> 01:27:40,180 The Workout Book ? (scoffs) 1530 01:27:40,264 --> 01:27:43,889 I mean, if I was him, I would have had a certain degree of resentment. 1531 01:27:43,972 --> 01:27:45,514 ♪ ♪ 1532 01:27:45,598 --> 01:27:49,347 He thought I was superficial. 1533 01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:52,431 That I wasn't smart enough. 1534 01:27:53,598 --> 01:27:56,097 But I was producing my own movies, 1535 01:27:56,180 --> 01:28:00,723 the kind of movies that say the things that I think need saying. 1536 01:28:00,806 --> 01:28:02,431 Hello, this is Kimberly Wells, 1537 01:28:02,514 --> 01:28:04,764 and I'm here at the Ventana Nuclear Power Plant, 1538 01:28:04,848 --> 01:28:07,556 owned and operated by California Gas & Electric. 1539 01:28:07,639 --> 01:28:09,556 Jane: China Syndrome was the story 1540 01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:12,222 of a cover-up at a nuclear power plant. 1541 01:28:12,306 --> 01:28:14,764 (alarms buzzing, beeping) 1542 01:28:16,472 --> 01:28:18,889 This is Jack Godell. We have a serious condition. 1543 01:28:18,972 --> 01:28:22,681 You get everybody into safety areas and make sure that they stay there. 1544 01:28:23,472 --> 01:28:25,723 -(alarm bells ringing) -Radiation in containment! 1545 01:28:25,806 --> 01:28:28,431 Jane: We were very much attacked for, 1546 01:28:28,514 --> 01:28:30,556 for making it, the movie. 1547 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:34,222 But then, the movie came out and two weeks later, Three Mile Island happened. 1548 01:28:34,306 --> 01:28:36,806 Man (over loudspeaker): All pregnant women and preschool children 1549 01:28:36,889 --> 01:28:40,264 should evacuate out of a five-mile radius... 1550 01:28:40,347 --> 01:28:43,139 Newswoman: The China Syndrome has given Jane Fonda a new standing 1551 01:28:43,222 --> 01:28:44,598 in American society. 1552 01:28:44,681 --> 01:28:46,764 She's now a heroine in her own right. 1553 01:28:46,848 --> 01:28:49,639 She's the Cassandra of the Nuclear Holocaust. 1554 01:28:50,389 --> 01:28:53,306 Jane: It's shocking that people from this area 1555 01:28:53,389 --> 01:28:55,264 had to go to see The China Syndrome 1556 01:28:55,347 --> 01:28:57,972 in order to try to understand what was happening to them. 1557 01:28:58,723 --> 01:29:03,723 Redford: Jane has always had an impulse to go right for the heart of things. 1558 01:29:03,806 --> 01:29:07,764 We were aligned in the same way that things were not right. 1559 01:29:07,848 --> 01:29:11,723 The question was how we were gonna go about it, 1560 01:29:11,806 --> 01:29:14,347 and I felt, if I spoke out, 1561 01:29:14,431 --> 01:29:16,431 that there would be a lot of resentment. 1562 01:29:18,306 --> 01:29:20,306 That didn't mean you couldn't do it that way, and that's the choice that Jane made. 1563 01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,972 And it had a lot of strength and a lot of power to it. 1564 01:29:23,055 --> 01:29:25,806 She made a lot of enemies, but that's gonna happen 1565 01:29:25,889 --> 01:29:29,014 when you step up and speak on the national stage. 1566 01:29:30,848 --> 01:29:34,972 What I admire about her is that she did it and she didn't look back, 1567 01:29:35,055 --> 01:29:37,347 she didn't change her tone or her voice. 1568 01:29:37,431 --> 01:29:39,472 She said, "This is what I believe, 1569 01:29:39,556 --> 01:29:41,598 "this is what I feel, and this is what I'm gonna say." 1570 01:29:41,681 --> 01:29:43,972 ♪ Tumble outta bed and stumble to the kitchen ♪ 1571 01:29:44,055 --> 01:29:46,472 ♪ Pour myself a cup of ambition ♪ 1572 01:29:46,556 --> 01:29:49,180 ♪ And yawn and stretch and try to come to life ♪ 1573 01:29:49,264 --> 01:29:51,472 Jane: Forty million women work in offices, 1574 01:29:51,556 --> 01:29:54,472 and for the first time in history, they're beginning to organize, 1575 01:29:54,556 --> 01:30:00,014 they're beginning to say, "We deserve respect, we deserve equal pay for equal work." 1576 01:30:00,097 --> 01:30:03,514 ♪ Workin' 9 to 5 What a way... ♪ 1577 01:30:03,598 --> 01:30:05,723 Lily Tomlin: Jane is always looking for 1578 01:30:05,806 --> 01:30:09,639 what's the most important current issue to deal with, 1579 01:30:09,723 --> 01:30:12,514 and 9 to 5 was her invention. 1580 01:30:12,598 --> 01:30:15,848 She decided to do a movie about the 9-to-5 women. 1581 01:30:15,930 --> 01:30:19,514 Well, look, couldn't we just all get together and... and complain? 1582 01:30:19,598 --> 01:30:21,139 Complain to who? 1583 01:30:21,222 --> 01:30:23,972 Let's face it, we are in a pink-collared ghetto. 1584 01:30:24,055 --> 01:30:25,848 Let's have another drink. 1585 01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:28,389 Jane: We all knew we were doing something that was important 1586 01:30:28,472 --> 01:30:30,889 for women office workers, 1587 01:30:30,972 --> 01:30:32,389 because we dealt with all the issues: 1588 01:30:32,472 --> 01:30:34,848 sexual harassment, unequal pay... 1589 01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:37,222 ♪ ♪ 1590 01:30:37,306 --> 01:30:39,014 ...the importance of flex hours, 1591 01:30:39,097 --> 01:30:42,055 the importance of childcare, all these things. 1592 01:30:42,139 --> 01:30:43,472 ♪ ♪ 1593 01:30:45,514 --> 01:30:48,014 Garity: My mom was using film 1594 01:30:48,097 --> 01:30:53,514 as a platform to try to affect change. 1595 01:30:55,514 --> 01:30:57,556 My parents were really doing it. 1596 01:30:57,639 --> 01:30:59,889 They were boots-on-the-ground, 1597 01:30:59,972 --> 01:31:03,097 dedicated mission, "We're going forward." 1598 01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:06,014 That's where their heads were at. 1599 01:31:06,097 --> 01:31:09,222 My parents walked the walk, for sure. 1600 01:31:09,306 --> 01:31:11,639 ♪ ♪ 1601 01:31:19,014 --> 01:31:24,055 They bought these hundred acres on top of this mountain in Santa Barbara 1602 01:31:24,139 --> 01:31:27,264 and started a summer camp. 1603 01:31:27,347 --> 01:31:29,930 I mean, it was every walk of life. 1604 01:31:30,014 --> 01:31:33,806 Children of farm workers, the children of the heads of studios, 1605 01:31:33,889 --> 01:31:36,639 the children of Black Panthers. 1606 01:31:38,723 --> 01:31:41,264 Weinstein: Laurel Springs was really a fantasy 1607 01:31:41,347 --> 01:31:44,055 that they, together, made a reality. 1608 01:31:44,139 --> 01:31:46,472 If you're a true movement person, 1609 01:31:46,556 --> 01:31:50,097 you understand about passing it along, 1610 01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:55,097 and watering the fields, and making the seeds grow. 1611 01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:57,930 Garity: We were all on this mountaintop together 1612 01:31:58,014 --> 01:32:00,598 and we were forced to coexist. 1613 01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:04,514 And it was at Laurel Springs that I met Lulu. 1614 01:32:07,514 --> 01:32:11,972 Jane: Lulu, when she first came to camp, she was maybe 12. 1615 01:32:12,055 --> 01:32:15,639 And she was... giggly, and bright, and... 1616 01:32:15,723 --> 01:32:20,014 funny, with this wonderful laugh and everyone just adored her. 1617 01:32:20,097 --> 01:32:24,264 She came two summers, and then she disappeared. 1618 01:32:25,848 --> 01:32:29,889 And when she came back, she was a different person. 1619 01:32:31,055 --> 01:32:36,139 She had been sexually abused repeatedly by an acting coach. 1620 01:32:36,222 --> 01:32:38,472 She was shut down. 1621 01:32:38,556 --> 01:32:43,055 Her life was dysfunctional, disorganized. 1622 01:32:43,139 --> 01:32:46,889 Her parents had been Black Panthers. Her father was in jail. 1623 01:32:46,972 --> 01:32:49,972 She was failing in school. 1624 01:32:50,055 --> 01:32:55,222 It was like the flame had gotten real tiny, but it was still there, you could see. 1625 01:32:55,306 --> 01:32:58,681 And I said, "I'll tell you what, Lulu, 1626 01:32:58,764 --> 01:33:02,972 "if you bring your grades up to a B, 1627 01:33:03,055 --> 01:33:07,389 "I'll bring you to Los Angeles, to Santa Monica, where we live, 1628 01:33:07,472 --> 01:33:13,139 "and... you can live with us and go to school down there, 1629 01:33:13,222 --> 01:33:15,139 if your mother lets that happen." 1630 01:33:15,222 --> 01:33:17,389 And that's what happened. 1631 01:33:17,472 --> 01:33:19,347 Lulu Williams: She didn't even say, "I want to adopt you or I want you to be 1632 01:33:19,431 --> 01:33:21,639 my daughter." It was just-- it just kinda evolved into that, 1633 01:33:21,723 --> 01:33:24,681 'cause it really just was "I want to help this child." 1634 01:33:24,764 --> 01:33:28,889 So when I came, I just started living in their house, and then it became, you know, 1635 01:33:28,972 --> 01:33:31,222 I was just another kid in the house. 1636 01:33:31,306 --> 01:33:34,180 ♪ ♪ 1637 01:33:35,514 --> 01:33:39,556 Garity: It all goes back to my mother's childhood. 1638 01:33:39,639 --> 01:33:43,764 I think her light was almost put out... 1639 01:33:43,848 --> 01:33:45,681 when she was a child. 1640 01:33:47,139 --> 01:33:53,222 So, I think she likes to find people who are in danger of losing theirs, and re-- and... 1641 01:33:53,306 --> 01:33:55,514 and rekindle it. 1642 01:33:58,264 --> 01:34:03,639 No, my mom was... not orphaned, but pretty damn close. 1643 01:34:05,639 --> 01:34:08,639 (birds twittering) 1644 01:34:12,347 --> 01:34:15,764 Jane: I had always wanted to do a movie with my dad, 1645 01:34:15,848 --> 01:34:20,055 and this play seemed like a perfect thing. 1646 01:34:21,972 --> 01:34:23,889 Garity: She bought On Golden Pond for them, 1647 01:34:23,972 --> 01:34:27,222 she produced it, she made it for him, 1648 01:34:27,306 --> 01:34:33,180 to... have a deeper shared experience with him, before they couldn't anymore. 1649 01:34:34,222 --> 01:34:38,264 Hayden: It was about the reconciliation of a hard dad, 1650 01:34:38,347 --> 01:34:41,097 and a emotional daughter. 1651 01:34:41,180 --> 01:34:46,222 It was more than a script, it was an opportunity for love and reconciliation. 1652 01:34:52,014 --> 01:34:53,889 Hello, Norman. 1653 01:34:57,556 --> 01:35:00,139 -Oh, look at you. -Happy birthday. 1654 01:35:00,222 --> 01:35:03,764 Look at this little fat girl, Ethel. 1655 01:35:03,848 --> 01:35:05,639 (chuckles) Oh, Norman! 1656 01:35:05,723 --> 01:35:09,472 -You're as thin as a rail. Isn't she? -Sure... 1657 01:35:09,556 --> 01:35:12,639 Jane: Katherine Hepburn and my father played my parents, 1658 01:35:12,723 --> 01:35:16,306 and I was extremely intimidated. 1659 01:35:16,389 --> 01:35:21,472 The parallels were very, very close between the characters, and-- and... 1660 01:35:21,556 --> 01:35:23,930 my father and I in real life. 1661 01:35:24,014 --> 01:35:26,972 But we never spoke of it. 1662 01:35:27,055 --> 01:35:31,514 We never spoke about anything like that, ever. 1663 01:35:31,598 --> 01:35:35,639 Hayden: There was a great deal of invisible healing going on. 1664 01:35:35,723 --> 01:35:39,639 For Jane, it was the ultimate catharsis. 1665 01:35:41,598 --> 01:35:45,139 Jane: In the movie, the main scene between Chelsea and her father 1666 01:35:45,222 --> 01:35:50,347 was a scene that, whenever I would read it and during every single rehearsal, 1667 01:35:50,431 --> 01:35:53,514 I would become very, very, very emotional, 1668 01:35:53,598 --> 01:35:56,723 because it was so very close to home. 1669 01:35:58,055 --> 01:36:00,764 I wanna talk to you. I, um... 1670 01:36:02,431 --> 01:36:04,972 I think that, um, 1671 01:36:05,055 --> 01:36:08,139 maybe you and I should have the kind of relationship that we're supposed to have. 1672 01:36:09,097 --> 01:36:10,472 What kind of a relationship is that? 1673 01:36:12,139 --> 01:36:15,431 Well, you know, like a... like a father and a daughter. 1674 01:36:15,514 --> 01:36:18,723 Eh, just in the nick of time, huh? 1675 01:36:18,806 --> 01:36:20,014 Worried about the will, are you? 1676 01:36:20,097 --> 01:36:21,055 Well, I'm leaving everything to you, 1677 01:36:21,139 --> 01:36:22,556 except what I'm taking with me. 1678 01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:25,514 Just stop it. 1679 01:36:25,598 --> 01:36:28,055 I don't want anything. 1680 01:36:28,139 --> 01:36:32,222 It just-- it seems that you and me have been mad at each other for so long. 1681 01:36:32,306 --> 01:36:35,848 I didn't know we were mad. I thought we just didn't like each other 1682 01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:39,347 Jane: Knowing that my father doesn't like 1683 01:36:39,431 --> 01:36:42,889 to have anything that's not rehearsed, 1684 01:36:42,972 --> 01:36:46,347 everything has to be rehearsed down to the nth degree, 1685 01:36:46,431 --> 01:36:53,097 I decide to save one thing that I'm gonna do when I think it's his last close-up, 1686 01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:55,764 because I want him... 1687 01:36:55,848 --> 01:36:59,264 to do something unplanned. I don't know what it-- how he would react, 1688 01:36:59,347 --> 01:37:01,556 but it will be emotional. 1689 01:37:01,639 --> 01:37:03,556 I-- I wanna be your friend. 1690 01:37:03,639 --> 01:37:06,598 Jane: I reached out and I touched his arm. 1691 01:37:06,681 --> 01:37:09,972 Does this mean you'll... come around more often? 1692 01:37:10,055 --> 01:37:12,306 It'd mean a lot to your mother. 1693 01:37:12,389 --> 01:37:14,014 And he put his hand up, 1694 01:37:14,681 --> 01:37:17,347 but I saw... 1695 01:37:18,306 --> 01:37:21,514 the tears in his eyes... 1696 01:37:23,681 --> 01:37:27,472 and, you know, it just-- it meant the world to me. 1697 01:37:28,556 --> 01:37:34,097 Hayden: He loved her. That he couldn't express it in three words 1698 01:37:34,180 --> 01:37:35,806 is a kind of tragedy. 1699 01:37:35,889 --> 01:37:41,514 But in his eyes and in his face, he still expressed it. 1700 01:37:42,764 --> 01:37:46,472 And the winner is... Henry Fonda, On Golden Pond. 1701 01:37:46,556 --> 01:37:49,389 (cheering) 1702 01:37:56,431 --> 01:38:01,930 Oh, Dad, I'm so happy, and proud, for you. 1703 01:38:02,014 --> 01:38:04,514 (applause) 1704 01:38:06,930 --> 01:38:11,139 Garity: On Golden Pond isn't a movie. It's a vehicle to try to make 1705 01:38:11,222 --> 01:38:13,764 her family closer. 1706 01:38:13,848 --> 01:38:19,556 Perhaps because she felt other parts of her family... were in limbo. 1707 01:38:19,639 --> 01:38:21,639 ♪ ♪ 1708 01:38:21,723 --> 01:38:25,848 You know, my sister definitely had a harder time 1709 01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:29,180 relating with my mother than I have. 1710 01:38:29,264 --> 01:38:32,222 Hayden: I remember coming back from the hospital, 1711 01:38:32,306 --> 01:38:34,514 with newborn Troy, 1712 01:38:34,598 --> 01:38:38,598 and Vanessa, happily staring at him. 1713 01:38:39,431 --> 01:38:43,306 But it was also apparent that he was the different one. 1714 01:38:43,930 --> 01:38:46,306 He was the prince. 1715 01:38:47,764 --> 01:38:50,180 Jane: Vanessa saw me 1716 01:38:50,264 --> 01:38:56,889 taking Troy with me, as I had not taken her. 1717 01:38:58,431 --> 01:39:02,180 And she saw me living with Troy's father... 1718 01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:09,889 which was not her situation. And I can't imagine that it wasn't difficult for her. 1719 01:39:09,972 --> 01:39:15,014 Weinstein: The thing about Jane is, she had to learn how to be a mother... 1720 01:39:17,514 --> 01:39:21,222 because that isn't what she experienced. She experienced, 1721 01:39:21,306 --> 01:39:23,681 "Come down and say good night to the guests, 1722 01:39:23,764 --> 01:39:26,097 and go back upstairs and be your perfect little selves." 1723 01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:29,889 And even thought her mother was loving, she was clearly sad. 1724 01:39:29,972 --> 01:39:33,723 She must've, as a child, really felt that sadness, 1725 01:39:33,806 --> 01:39:39,389 you know, it had its effect. She's not a natural caretaker. 1726 01:39:39,472 --> 01:39:43,514 She had no training for emotional intelligence, at all. 1727 01:39:45,139 --> 01:39:47,431 Garity: My mother didn't have a good example of what 1728 01:39:47,514 --> 01:39:50,556 a healthy relationship looked like, 1729 01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:52,764 neither did my father. 1730 01:39:52,848 --> 01:39:56,472 Jane: Neither one of us were big on talking about our feelings. 1731 01:39:56,556 --> 01:40:03,556 Our lives became more and more like... on two separate tracks. 1732 01:40:04,972 --> 01:40:06,306 Tom once said, 1733 01:40:06,389 --> 01:40:08,389 "If Jane and I find ourselves together, 1734 01:40:08,472 --> 01:40:10,556 it was a mistake in scheduling." 1735 01:40:11,681 --> 01:40:16,055 I think that in the end, neither one of us were happy. 1736 01:40:17,139 --> 01:40:19,431 Hayden: Living with a public figure, 1737 01:40:19,514 --> 01:40:21,097 who has, uh, 1738 01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:23,639 movie studios and-- and public relations firms working 1739 01:40:23,723 --> 01:40:26,848 night and day to make her larger than life, uh, 1740 01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:30,681 it is-- it becomes artificial. The house becomes a prop, 1741 01:40:30,764 --> 01:40:33,514 suddenly, uh, the bedroom could become a prop, 1742 01:40:33,598 --> 01:40:35,431 the children are props. 1743 01:40:35,514 --> 01:40:36,431 Where's life? 1744 01:40:36,514 --> 01:40:38,180 (people cheering) 1745 01:40:39,514 --> 01:40:42,139 She felt the call of Hollywood. 1746 01:40:42,222 --> 01:40:45,514 That was very jarring to me. 1747 01:40:47,598 --> 01:40:50,389 I was drinking and womanizing. 1748 01:40:52,055 --> 01:40:54,972 I wasn't ready to be the husband of somebody 1749 01:40:55,055 --> 01:40:59,389 that was preoccupied with being an actress. 1750 01:41:01,055 --> 01:41:03,806 Weinstein: He was very rough on her. 1751 01:41:03,889 --> 01:41:06,848 I think she was very lonely. 1752 01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:10,848 It was a vulnerability she couldn't allow in and I think a truth she couldn't allow in. 1753 01:41:10,930 --> 01:41:15,472 So I think she would've gone on accepting that. 1754 01:41:17,764 --> 01:41:20,639 He fell in love with somebody... 1755 01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:27,139 um... and I found out. 1756 01:41:27,222 --> 01:41:29,764 ♪ ♪ 1757 01:41:31,431 --> 01:41:35,180 It did knock the foundation out from under me because... 1758 01:41:35,264 --> 01:41:39,264 I just never could have imagined life without Tom. 1759 01:41:40,764 --> 01:41:45,431 If I'm not with Tom Hayden, then I'm nobody. 1760 01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:51,889 Weinstein: Here she was alone at a critical moment for an actress. 1761 01:41:51,972 --> 01:41:54,598 when you're still beautiful, and sexy, and everything, 1762 01:41:54,681 --> 01:41:57,264 but the guys don't want to play with you anymore. 1763 01:41:57,347 --> 01:42:00,431 When Redford was making the movie Legal Eagles 1764 01:42:00,514 --> 01:42:03,848 and Debra Winger got cast, and Jane didn't, 1765 01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:07,055 she went, "Oh my God, it's happened. 1766 01:42:07,139 --> 01:42:10,681 "Redford isn't fighting for me, or the studio doesn't want me, 1767 01:42:10,764 --> 01:42:13,889 they want the new, fabulous young star." 1768 01:42:13,972 --> 01:42:17,222 Jane: It was a very difficult time. 1769 01:42:17,306 --> 01:42:21,431 Just dark... and painful. 1770 01:42:22,764 --> 01:42:24,681 And then, a friend of mine gave me the name 1771 01:42:24,764 --> 01:42:28,222 of this unbelievable psychic... 1772 01:42:28,306 --> 01:42:29,889 who... 1773 01:42:29,972 --> 01:42:31,972 predicted... 1774 01:42:32,055 --> 01:42:35,097 things-- I mean, down to the minutiae. 1775 01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:41,431 She said to me, "I see money. I see so much money." 1776 01:42:41,514 --> 01:42:43,014 ♪ ♪ 1777 01:42:44,472 --> 01:42:48,764 And then she said, "And I see land... as far as I can see." 1778 01:42:48,848 --> 01:42:49,972 ♪ ♪ 1779 01:42:52,180 --> 01:42:54,306 Of course, it was Ted Turner. 1780 01:42:55,306 --> 01:42:56,556 Reporter: The words used most often 1781 01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,806 to describe Robert Edward Turner III 1782 01:42:58,889 --> 01:43:00,472 are controversial, 1783 01:43:00,556 --> 01:43:01,472 rash, 1784 01:43:01,556 --> 01:43:02,556 flamboyant, 1785 01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:03,639 controversial, 1786 01:43:03,723 --> 01:43:04,639 ambitious, 1787 01:43:04,723 --> 01:43:05,930 competitive, 1788 01:43:06,014 --> 01:43:06,723 -and controversial. - (applause) 1789 01:43:06,806 --> 01:43:09,014 You bet your bippy. 1790 01:43:10,723 --> 01:43:12,889 Ted Turner: The best advice is never do anything. 1791 01:43:14,222 --> 01:43:16,014 You'll never get in trouble if you don't do anything. 1792 01:43:17,222 --> 01:43:21,222 But on the other hand, you'll never get anywhere either... you know. 1793 01:43:23,055 --> 01:43:25,139 Faint heart ne'er won fair lady. 1794 01:43:25,222 --> 01:43:27,514 ♪ ♪ 1795 01:43:33,014 --> 01:43:34,764 Jane: The day after... 1796 01:43:34,848 --> 01:43:38,264 my divorce from Tom Hayden was announced, the phone rang, 1797 01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:40,681 and this booming Southern accent, 1798 01:43:41,222 --> 01:43:43,264 he said, "Would you want to go out with me?" 1799 01:43:43,347 --> 01:43:45,972 And I said, "Well, I'm having a nervous breakdown. 1800 01:43:46,055 --> 01:43:48,723 Call me in six months." 1801 01:43:49,472 --> 01:43:52,598 And six months to the day, Ted asked me out again. 1802 01:43:53,431 --> 01:43:55,389 Ted was a genius, 1803 01:43:55,472 --> 01:43:56,514 billionaire, 1804 01:43:56,598 --> 01:43:58,139 entrepreneur, 1805 01:43:58,598 --> 01:44:00,723 but he was also gorgeous. 1806 01:44:01,139 --> 01:44:05,514 I mean, he was really a handsome man, and very, very sexy. 1807 01:44:05,598 --> 01:44:07,055 ♪ ♪ 1808 01:44:07,139 --> 01:44:09,139 On the first date... 1809 01:44:09,222 --> 01:44:10,347 the way... 1810 01:44:10,431 --> 01:44:12,639 he looked at me... 1811 01:44:12,723 --> 01:44:15,472 I felt like I was being eaten. 1812 01:44:17,264 --> 01:44:19,639 He was devouring me, 1813 01:44:20,431 --> 01:44:22,764 and I got goosebumps all over me. 1814 01:44:23,431 --> 01:44:25,180 Then he said, "You know, I don't know much about you, 1815 01:44:25,264 --> 01:44:28,222 "so I went into CNN and I pulled your archives. 1816 01:44:28,306 --> 01:44:30,431 There was a stack about that high." 1817 01:44:31,431 --> 01:44:34,389 Then he said, "Then I went and I pulled my archives. 1818 01:44:34,472 --> 01:44:37,972 And mine are this high. Mine are bigger than yours." 1819 01:44:38,264 --> 01:44:41,598 I mean, by the time we got to the restaurant, which was only 15 minutes away, 1820 01:44:41,681 --> 01:44:44,222 I felt like a tsunami had rolled over me. 1821 01:44:44,306 --> 01:44:45,889 ♪ ♪ 1822 01:44:45,972 --> 01:44:47,556 When he took me back, 1823 01:44:47,639 --> 01:44:51,930 at the door he said, "Can I hug you?" 1824 01:44:52,014 --> 01:44:56,930 And he hugged me, and he said, "I-- I'm-- I have to tell you that I'm smitten" 1825 01:44:58,097 --> 01:45:04,389 In his heart, Ted is not a wealthy, powerful, privileged person. 1826 01:45:04,472 --> 01:45:08,639 He's a little boy who likes to play, 1827 01:45:09,848 --> 01:45:12,930 and who has wild brilliance, 1828 01:45:13,014 --> 01:45:16,180 and that's what I was attracted to. 1829 01:45:16,681 --> 01:45:19,639 ♪ ♪ 1830 01:45:21,055 --> 01:45:25,055 Weinstein: Ted adored her. He'd never put her down. 1831 01:45:25,139 --> 01:45:28,097 Ted is fucking great. 1832 01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:32,097 I pronounce you, now, man and wife. You may kiss the bride. 1833 01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:34,431 (clapping) 1834 01:45:34,514 --> 01:45:36,598 (laughter) 1835 01:45:36,681 --> 01:45:38,681 All right! 1836 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:43,598 Weinstein: Their wedding was hilarious, just hilarious. 1837 01:45:43,681 --> 01:45:48,222 It's the only wedding after which we all mounted horses and went grouse shooting 1838 01:45:48,306 --> 01:45:50,472 ♪ ♪ 1839 01:45:53,556 --> 01:45:57,681 Jane: I'll never forget here on our second date in Montana. 1840 01:45:57,764 --> 01:46:02,014 I remember driving around and he looked out of the window of the Jeep at a bird that was-- 1841 01:46:02,097 --> 01:46:04,139 you could see it in silhouette, 1842 01:46:04,222 --> 01:46:06,306 and he said what it was, 1843 01:46:06,389 --> 01:46:09,848 and he told me the nesting patterns of the bird. 1844 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:12,514 And I thought, "I could love this man." 1845 01:46:12,598 --> 01:46:14,472 It was so clear... 1846 01:46:14,556 --> 01:46:18,598 that he... had a connection to the land, 1847 01:46:18,681 --> 01:46:20,598 and to the critters, 1848 01:46:20,681 --> 01:46:23,639 and-- and... 1849 01:46:23,723 --> 01:46:25,139 (whispering): ...so do I. 1850 01:46:25,222 --> 01:46:26,889 ♪ ♪ 1851 01:46:29,556 --> 01:46:32,180 I grew up in the Santa Monica mountains, 1852 01:46:32,264 --> 01:46:34,930 and I knew all the little animals, 1853 01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:40,556 and the bugs, and the skunks, and the coyotes, and I loved them. 1854 01:46:41,431 --> 01:46:43,514 The household wasn't very happy, 1855 01:46:43,598 --> 01:46:45,598 so that's where I found happiness. 1856 01:46:47,139 --> 01:46:50,139 We were both children of suicide, 1857 01:46:50,222 --> 01:46:52,389 so we understood each other. 1858 01:46:53,139 --> 01:46:56,764 Like me, he had found solace in nature. 1859 01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:01,723 We would ride every day, sometimes three, four, five hours. 1860 01:47:01,806 --> 01:47:04,848 And hiking, and fly-fishing. 1861 01:47:04,930 --> 01:47:06,930 You know, we had adventures. 1862 01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:11,556 Jane, am I correct that you've given up making movies? 1863 01:47:11,639 --> 01:47:12,889 Oh yeah. When I met... 1864 01:47:12,972 --> 01:47:14,556 Ted, I was thinking about doing it anyway, 1865 01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,472 but when I met Ted, that clenched it. 1866 01:47:16,556 --> 01:47:19,055 She'd begun the marriage by saying to Ted, "I'll give up work, 1867 01:47:19,139 --> 01:47:21,180 but you give up girls." 1868 01:47:21,264 --> 01:47:24,930 You mean ranching can take the place of all the excitement of doing the movies? 1869 01:47:25,014 --> 01:47:26,264 Ted can. 1870 01:47:26,347 --> 01:47:27,723 ♪ ♪ 1871 01:47:27,806 --> 01:47:29,972 (indistinct chatter) 1872 01:47:30,972 --> 01:47:32,723 Is that from you, Jeff? 1873 01:47:32,806 --> 01:47:34,723 Turner: Gee, that cost a fortune! 1874 01:47:34,806 --> 01:47:37,180 (lively chattering) 1875 01:47:40,681 --> 01:47:42,264 Williams: I thought that would be a disaster, 1876 01:47:42,347 --> 01:47:45,222 with our liberal, crunchy granola, 1877 01:47:45,306 --> 01:47:48,514 leftist kids coming into his family. 1878 01:47:49,264 --> 01:47:51,055 And it melded amazingly well. 1879 01:47:51,139 --> 01:47:52,806 ♪ ♪ 1880 01:47:54,598 --> 01:47:56,723 I learned a lot... 1881 01:47:56,806 --> 01:48:01,222 with the men in my life, but I learned the most with Ted. 1882 01:48:01,306 --> 01:48:04,139 His vision was macro, 1883 01:48:04,222 --> 01:48:06,930 and I'm micro. 1884 01:48:07,014 --> 01:48:09,556 So we were a great partnership. 1885 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:12,222 Weinstein: It was... 1886 01:48:12,306 --> 01:48:15,431 a stunningly, interesting marriage. 1887 01:48:15,514 --> 01:48:20,264 Because they shared a view of the world, an internationalism, 1888 01:48:20,347 --> 01:48:22,055 a curiosity. 1889 01:48:22,139 --> 01:48:26,264 And it was great to be out of Hollywood in that dismal period 1890 01:48:26,347 --> 01:48:28,389 where she'd be looking for gigs. 1891 01:48:28,472 --> 01:48:29,639 It was fun. 1892 01:48:30,681 --> 01:48:34,681 But, you know, in the end, it didn't last. 1893 01:48:41,556 --> 01:48:42,930 Jane: Hi, Marta. 1894 01:48:44,306 --> 01:48:47,180 I'm good, I'm in a car heading for my favorite ex-husband's 1895 01:48:47,264 --> 01:48:49,389 ranch in Montana. 1896 01:48:50,848 --> 01:48:53,556 ♪ ♪ 1897 01:48:59,431 --> 01:49:01,014 I think you look great. 1898 01:49:01,097 --> 01:49:03,055 -Ha, I don't-- -I think you look great! 1899 01:49:03,723 --> 01:49:06,014 You look great, too. 1900 01:49:06,097 --> 01:49:07,848 ♪ ♪ 1901 01:49:11,222 --> 01:49:13,306 Oh, it is? 1902 01:49:13,389 --> 01:49:15,139 Gettin' old is hard, isn't, man? 1903 01:49:15,222 --> 01:49:16,014 Oh, it is. 1904 01:49:16,097 --> 01:49:17,806 (birds chirping) 1905 01:49:17,889 --> 01:49:19,806 That tree looks great. Do you ever sit under it 1906 01:49:19,889 --> 01:49:22,014 -with your various girlfriends? -No. 1907 01:49:22,097 --> 01:49:23,180 (chuckles) 1908 01:49:23,264 --> 01:49:26,389 That's your tree. 1909 01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:29,681 It's good to see you. 1910 01:49:29,764 --> 01:49:31,598 It's good to see you. 1911 01:49:32,389 --> 01:49:33,930 ♪ ♪ 1912 01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:39,972 Yeah. 1913 01:49:40,055 --> 01:49:41,139 (unintelligible) 1914 01:49:41,222 --> 01:49:43,055 Well, we had fun in here. 1915 01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:46,306 Can I be bossy for a minute? 1916 01:49:46,389 --> 01:49:47,180 Sure. 1917 01:49:47,264 --> 01:49:48,514 This isn't a good idea. 1918 01:49:48,598 --> 01:49:49,514 Why? 1919 01:49:49,598 --> 01:49:50,889 Because you walk into the back 1920 01:49:50,972 --> 01:49:52,389 of a whole lot of pictures. 1921 01:49:52,472 --> 01:49:54,055 You should turn them, 1922 01:49:54,139 --> 01:49:57,431 and some of them should face this way, and for-- Oh! 1923 01:49:57,972 --> 01:49:59,347 Awww. 1924 01:49:59,431 --> 01:50:00,764 ♪ ♪ 1925 01:50:02,097 --> 01:50:04,514 Jane: We had a wonderful 10 years. 1926 01:50:04,598 --> 01:50:08,598 But I had to hide a part of me, 1927 01:50:08,681 --> 01:50:10,848 in order to please him. 1928 01:50:10,930 --> 01:50:15,389 He would call me when I was in L.A. and he was in Atlanta, 1929 01:50:15,472 --> 01:50:19,639 and he would say, "I'm... shrinking." 1930 01:50:21,306 --> 01:50:25,389 When he is removed from his object of love, 1931 01:50:25,472 --> 01:50:27,222 and he's alone, 1932 01:50:27,306 --> 01:50:30,347 he actually does feel like he's getting small. 1933 01:50:30,972 --> 01:50:34,431 It's very deep and very serious. 1934 01:50:35,472 --> 01:50:37,723 Ted can't be alone. 1935 01:50:37,806 --> 01:50:40,723 And so my whole life 1936 01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:43,806 had to be about him. 1937 01:50:45,598 --> 01:50:49,472 It was rare that I could go to a conference. 1938 01:50:49,556 --> 01:50:52,681 The women's conference in Beijing, I had to really negotiate. 1939 01:50:53,306 --> 01:50:58,097 The Cairo conference, the UN conference on population and development. 1940 01:50:58,180 --> 01:51:01,264 I began an organization called the Georgia Campaign 1941 01:51:01,347 --> 01:51:03,930 for Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention, 1942 01:51:04,014 --> 01:51:07,431 and it was very, very important to me. 1943 01:51:07,514 --> 01:51:10,472 But there was a lot that I wanted to do that I couldn't do. 1944 01:51:12,681 --> 01:51:16,556 As we moved through the decade that we spent together... 1945 01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:21,139 I became more of a feminist. 1946 01:51:21,222 --> 01:51:25,431 And so, my focus was more and more on... 1947 01:51:25,514 --> 01:51:27,514 on women's empowerment. 1948 01:51:29,389 --> 01:51:32,055 But it's hard to be a complete feminist if you're in a marriage that doesn't quite work. 1949 01:51:33,222 --> 01:51:37,055 None of my marriages were democratic, 1950 01:51:38,389 --> 01:51:41,431 because I was too worried about pleasing. 1951 01:51:42,055 --> 01:51:45,306 I had to be a certain way in order for them to love me. 1952 01:51:45,389 --> 01:51:47,180 I had to look a certain way, 1953 01:51:47,264 --> 01:51:49,431 and I looked different for all of them. 1954 01:51:50,389 --> 01:51:54,514 I wanted to be living as a whole Jane, 1955 01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:57,598 fully realized Jane. 1956 01:51:59,055 --> 01:52:04,306 I hoped that Ted would feel okay about it, because... 1957 01:52:04,389 --> 01:52:07,848 I really loved him, and I was hoping that it would be forever. 1958 01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:10,347 But that's not the way it played out. 1959 01:52:10,431 --> 01:52:12,180 ♪ ♪ 1960 01:52:12,264 --> 01:52:16,472 Susan Lacy: When you and Jane parted, how did that affect you? 1961 01:52:17,222 --> 01:52:18,806 It was... 1962 01:52:18,889 --> 01:52:20,264 very difficult. I... 1963 01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,014 thought it was a... 1964 01:52:24,097 --> 01:52:25,097 (sighs) 1965 01:52:26,764 --> 01:52:28,514 ...a mistake. 1966 01:52:28,598 --> 01:52:31,889 I've survived, and so has she. 1967 01:52:31,972 --> 01:52:33,431 But, uh... 1968 01:52:34,723 --> 01:52:38,972 I feel like I was happier when I was with her than... 1969 01:52:39,055 --> 01:52:40,681 subsequently. 1970 01:52:40,764 --> 01:52:42,306 ♪ ♪ 1971 01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:48,514 Jane: When you reside within your own skin, 1972 01:52:48,598 --> 01:52:50,556 you-- you can feel it. 1973 01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:53,723 You're holding... 1974 01:52:53,806 --> 01:52:55,431 all of you: 1975 01:52:55,514 --> 01:52:56,889 your anger, 1976 01:52:56,972 --> 01:52:58,681 your kindness 1977 01:52:58,764 --> 01:53:00,389 your judgmentalness. 1978 01:53:00,472 --> 01:53:03,014 Everything that makes up what you are, 1979 01:53:03,097 --> 01:53:07,055 including the fact that you may be stronger and braver than the man you're married to. 1980 01:53:07,139 --> 01:53:09,639 ♪ ♪ 1981 01:53:12,097 --> 01:53:17,681 When the time came that I said to him, "Ted, this isn't gonna work... 1982 01:53:17,764 --> 01:53:20,556 "unless there are changes," 1983 01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,472 we were in a car, and... 1984 01:53:23,972 --> 01:53:27,097 all the oxygen left the car, and I knew... 1985 01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:28,889 it's not gonna happen. 1986 01:53:28,972 --> 01:53:30,764 ♪ ♪ 1987 01:53:30,848 --> 01:53:32,764 It was awful. 1988 01:53:32,889 --> 01:53:34,806 And... 1989 01:53:34,889 --> 01:53:37,806 I could hear a voice saying, 1990 01:53:37,889 --> 01:53:41,097 "Oh God, Fonda, come on. He's handsome, he's cute, 1991 01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:45,097 "he's sexy. You know you never have to work again. 1992 01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:48,472 Lighten up. Come on." 1993 01:53:48,556 --> 01:53:52,764 And over here, there was a softer little voice saying, 1994 01:53:52,848 --> 01:53:55,806 "If you stay... 1995 01:53:55,889 --> 01:53:59,472 "you will never... be authentic, 1996 01:53:59,556 --> 01:54:03,848 "you will never be able to be whole." 1997 01:54:09,180 --> 01:54:12,180 (distant blender whirring) 1998 01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:28,889 Dina, I burnt out my blender. 1999 01:54:30,556 --> 01:54:35,139 Jane: After Ted Turner, everything was so... 2000 01:54:35,222 --> 01:54:38,598 wildly quiet. 2001 01:54:38,681 --> 01:54:43,014 It was probably the most profound turning point of my life. 2002 01:54:43,097 --> 01:54:45,681 I left this man... 2003 01:54:46,264 --> 01:54:49,014 and one part of me was so sad, 2004 01:54:49,097 --> 01:54:52,097 and the other part of me said, 2005 01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:54,347 "I'm gonna be okay. 2006 01:54:54,431 --> 01:54:58,055 I don't need a man to make me okay." 2007 01:54:59,097 --> 01:55:02,431 That-- that was it, and I never went back. 2008 01:55:04,764 --> 01:55:08,014 Jane: The problem is you don't understand the problem. 2009 01:55:08,097 --> 01:55:11,180 It's not personal. 2010 01:55:11,264 --> 01:55:16,848 I'm still being treated the way I was for 40 years, and I'm not gonna settle anymore. 2011 01:55:16,930 --> 01:55:21,514 Can't you see how disrespectful you were being? 2012 01:55:21,598 --> 01:55:26,556 I might, I will, I am. Yes, we've talked about it. 2013 01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,347 Doing? Doing? 2014 01:55:28,431 --> 01:55:30,639 I'll tell you what we're doing, we're-- we're-- we're-- 2015 01:55:30,723 --> 01:55:34,139 we're making vibrators for women with arthritis. 2016 01:55:35,723 --> 01:55:38,514 Okay. God... 2017 01:55:38,598 --> 01:55:41,764 Seventy-eight years old, I have a scene in bed with Sam Elliot. 2018 01:55:41,848 --> 01:55:43,681 Pretty good, huh? 2019 01:55:43,764 --> 01:55:44,889 It was fun, too. 2020 01:55:44,972 --> 01:55:47,930 ♪ ♪ 2021 01:55:52,431 --> 01:55:55,055 Jane: Paula Weinstein, who's my best friend, 2022 01:55:55,139 --> 01:55:58,930 she called me and she said, "The Zanucks who were producing the Oscars that year 2023 01:55:59,014 --> 01:56:02,431 want you to present an award." 2024 01:56:02,514 --> 01:56:05,264 And I said, "I can't, I'm not in the business anymore." 2025 01:56:05,347 --> 01:56:06,514 She said, "Shut up, 2026 01:56:06,598 --> 01:56:08,055 "Vera Wang's gonna make you a dress 2027 01:56:08,139 --> 01:56:09,889 and Sally Hershberger's gonna cut your hair." 2028 01:56:09,972 --> 01:56:11,514 (applause) 2029 01:56:11,598 --> 01:56:13,097 I came out... 2030 01:56:13,180 --> 01:56:15,389 I could hear a gasp from the audience 2031 01:56:15,472 --> 01:56:17,014 'cause I looked really good. 2032 01:56:17,639 --> 01:56:21,139 And right away, I got offered Monster-In-Law. 2033 01:56:21,222 --> 01:56:22,889 ♪ ♪ 2034 01:56:24,014 --> 01:56:26,472 You know, I thought, "Well... 2035 01:56:26,556 --> 01:56:30,264 "people are gonna go see it because of Jennifer Lopez, 2036 01:56:30,347 --> 01:56:33,055 "but they're gonna discover, or rediscover, Jane Fonda." 2037 01:56:33,139 --> 01:56:36,723 (air horn blares) 2038 01:56:36,806 --> 01:56:38,639 ♪ ♪ 2039 01:56:38,723 --> 01:56:42,097 I'm sorry, I thought it was air freshener. 2040 01:56:42,180 --> 01:56:43,431 (laughs maniacally) 2041 01:56:43,514 --> 01:56:45,431 Jane, I'm-- I'm telling you, I couldn't be, uh, 2042 01:56:45,514 --> 01:56:48,306 happier for you. I'm a-- This thing has just been tremendous. 2043 01:56:48,389 --> 01:56:53,222 And I would think after this run of the play, you would like some time just to relax, but no! 2044 01:56:53,306 --> 01:56:56,764 You see, I'm the brand ambassador for L'Oreal 2045 01:56:56,848 --> 01:56:58,764 for older women, but they never-- 2046 01:56:58,848 --> 01:57:01,139 nobody's ever had a brand ambassador my age. 2047 01:57:01,222 --> 01:57:04,014 I competed with Margaret Mead, and what they have me doing... 2048 01:57:04,097 --> 01:57:09,055 -(audience laughs) -...is um, hand cream, face cream, and embalming oil. 2049 01:57:09,681 --> 01:57:12,639 Jane: I never thought I'd still be doing this. 2050 01:57:12,723 --> 01:57:16,014 If you would have told me, that I would be my age now, 2051 01:57:16,097 --> 01:57:17,514 and still working, 2052 01:57:17,598 --> 01:57:20,180 I would have been totally flabbergasted. 2053 01:57:20,264 --> 01:57:22,514 Photographers: Jane! Jane! Jane! 2054 01:57:24,598 --> 01:57:26,472 I'm just kind of amazed that I have... 2055 01:57:26,556 --> 01:57:28,806 managed to recreate a career, and I'm-- 2056 01:57:28,889 --> 01:57:30,639 as busy as I am. 2057 01:57:30,723 --> 01:57:31,848 God! 2058 01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:34,180 -I mean, can't a lady have a-- -Leona! 2059 01:57:34,264 --> 01:57:37,764 We don't have the trust of the public anymore. 2060 01:57:38,222 --> 01:57:39,723 Get it back! 2061 01:57:40,055 --> 01:57:42,598 I forgot, I forgot to slow down, I'm sorry. 2062 01:57:42,681 --> 01:57:45,472 Jane: Now, I'm making a movie with Bob Redford again. 2063 01:57:46,431 --> 01:57:48,180 Robert Redford: She is so busy. 2064 01:57:48,264 --> 01:57:50,639 No grass grows under her feet. 2065 01:57:50,723 --> 01:57:52,347 She puts me in the shade. 2066 01:57:52,431 --> 01:57:53,848 You ready for sushi? 2067 01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:55,848 Yes, I am. 2068 01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:59,681 Tomlin: Grace and Frankie, when it came along, just seemed right. 2069 01:57:59,764 --> 01:58:02,681 We can play out this part of our lives 2070 01:58:02,764 --> 01:58:04,556 in a project that speaks 2071 01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,389 what we wanna speak about. 2072 01:58:06,472 --> 01:58:08,848 Older women, older people, older, uh, 2073 01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:11,180 gay people, older straight people. 2074 01:58:11,264 --> 01:58:15,139 How am I gonna explain to my kids that their grandma makes sex toys for other grandmas? 2075 01:58:15,222 --> 01:58:16,848 Well, I'll tell you what to tell them, honey. 2076 01:58:16,930 --> 01:58:19,639 You tell them that we make things for people like us. 2077 01:58:19,723 --> 01:58:22,514 Sam Waterston: She lived her life in front of us, 2078 01:58:22,598 --> 01:58:27,389 and as she's grown older, she's shown us what that's like. 2079 01:58:27,472 --> 01:58:29,556 She's not afraid to be out there. 2080 01:58:29,639 --> 01:58:34,180 We are sick and tired of being dismissed by people like you. 2081 01:58:34,264 --> 01:58:37,222 -Mic drop. -It's about answering back, 2082 01:58:37,306 --> 01:58:41,347 not going quietly into that great good night. 2083 01:58:41,431 --> 01:58:44,598 And then go ahead and lower down and when you lower down, I want you to let your knees bend. 2084 01:58:44,681 --> 01:58:46,514 Great, and then pull right back up again. 2085 01:58:46,598 --> 01:58:47,556 -So-- -Using my arms? 2086 01:58:47,639 --> 01:58:49,097 You could use both so r-- 2087 01:58:49,180 --> 01:58:50,347 Jane: I'm glad... 2088 01:58:50,431 --> 01:58:52,764 that I look good for my age. 2089 01:58:54,514 --> 01:58:58,681 But I've also had plastic surgery, I'm not gonna lie about that. 2090 01:59:00,598 --> 01:59:04,681 On one level, I hate the fact that I have had the need... 2091 01:59:04,764 --> 01:59:06,723 to alter myself physically 2092 01:59:06,806 --> 01:59:08,764 to feel that I'm okay. 2093 01:59:08,848 --> 01:59:11,431 (Jane and instructor talking) 2094 01:59:11,514 --> 01:59:13,431 I wish that I wasn't... 2095 01:59:13,514 --> 01:59:15,306 like that. 2096 01:59:15,389 --> 01:59:18,389 I love older faces. 2097 01:59:18,472 --> 01:59:23,139 I love lived-in faces. I love Vanessa Redgrave's face. 2098 01:59:23,222 --> 01:59:26,264 I wish I was braver. 2099 01:59:26,347 --> 01:59:28,972 But, um... 2100 01:59:29,055 --> 01:59:30,930 I am what I am. 2101 01:59:31,014 --> 01:59:33,180 ♪ ♪ 2102 01:59:39,472 --> 01:59:43,472 Your age is less chronological, 2103 01:59:43,556 --> 01:59:48,556 and more spiritual, and attitudinal. 2104 01:59:50,514 --> 01:59:54,264 I was so old at 20. 2105 01:59:56,097 --> 01:59:59,723 I mean, maybe people who knew me then would have said, "What?!" 2106 02:00:00,723 --> 02:00:05,306 But on a soul level, I was really... 2107 02:00:05,389 --> 02:00:07,764 I saw no future. 2108 02:00:07,848 --> 02:00:09,681 I was very dark, 2109 02:00:09,764 --> 02:00:11,764 very sad person. 2110 02:00:13,222 --> 02:00:15,180 There was no joy. 2111 02:00:17,556 --> 02:00:20,848 I didn't really know who I was. 2112 02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:25,848 It took me a really long time to find my own narrative. 2113 02:00:27,514 --> 02:00:30,889 Weinstein: Few people move me as much as she does. 2114 02:00:30,972 --> 02:00:33,806 She's gotta fight all her life 2115 02:00:33,889 --> 02:00:36,347 her insecurity, 2116 02:00:36,431 --> 02:00:38,681 knowing her own value. 2117 02:00:38,764 --> 02:00:42,514 And that's a journey that continues for her. I think she's gonna have that... 2118 02:00:42,598 --> 02:00:46,806 forever, but-- but nobody braver to tackle it. 2119 02:00:46,889 --> 02:00:48,889 ♪ ♪ 2120 02:00:49,723 --> 02:00:51,681 Jane: When I watched my dad die, 2121 02:00:51,764 --> 02:00:53,389 I felt that he... 2122 02:00:53,472 --> 02:00:55,431 had a lot of regrets. 2123 02:00:56,598 --> 02:01:00,055 I do not want to get to the end of life... 2124 02:01:00,139 --> 02:01:03,514 with a lot of regrets, and I know that the regrets won't be what I did, 2125 02:01:03,598 --> 02:01:07,306 they'll be for the things I didn't do. 2126 02:01:07,389 --> 02:01:10,848 This is the beginning of my last act. 2127 02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:13,264 In order to know how to go forward, 2128 02:01:13,347 --> 02:01:15,556 I was gonna have to know where I'd been. 2129 02:01:15,639 --> 02:01:17,055 ♪ ♪ 2130 02:01:17,139 --> 02:01:19,972 Let's see. 2131 02:01:26,806 --> 02:01:29,097 That's my grandmother. 2132 02:01:29,180 --> 02:01:31,806 That's the house where my dad grew up. 2133 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:34,848 Jane: If you really go back, 2134 02:01:34,930 --> 02:01:37,556 and try to understand who you've been, 2135 02:01:37,639 --> 02:01:41,556 you have to understand who your parents were. 2136 02:01:41,639 --> 02:01:45,389 Why were they not able... 2137 02:01:45,472 --> 02:01:48,347 to really look at you with eyes of love, 2138 02:01:48,431 --> 02:01:52,848 reflect yourself back with eyes of love. 2139 02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:57,930 Why did they have duct tape over their eyes? Why did narcissism blind them... 2140 02:01:58,014 --> 02:02:00,889 from being able to really see you? 2141 02:02:02,347 --> 02:02:07,097 Who were their parents? Why did their parents... 2142 02:02:07,180 --> 02:02:08,806 treat them the way they did? 2143 02:02:09,848 --> 02:02:13,848 ♪ ♪ 2144 02:02:21,180 --> 02:02:24,930 I began, in 2000, to write my memoirs. 2145 02:02:25,014 --> 02:02:28,930 I dedicated them to my mother, because I thought it was gonna force me... 2146 02:02:29,014 --> 02:02:32,306 to figure out who she was. 2147 02:02:34,347 --> 02:02:38,639 I found out that my mother was the life of the party. 2148 02:02:38,723 --> 02:02:42,681 "Everybody loved being around your mother!" They did? 2149 02:02:42,764 --> 02:02:48,598 "Oh my gosh! Oh, and she was-- I mean, men loved her." 2150 02:02:49,723 --> 02:02:54,681 And her father's, my grandfather's side, of the family said, "Gasp! 2151 02:02:54,764 --> 02:02:59,014 "Oh we all wanted to be close to your mother. She was a rock." 2152 02:02:59,097 --> 02:03:03,806 I was like, "My mother?" It was such a... 2153 02:03:03,889 --> 02:03:08,598 unlike my image of who she was. It just stunned me. 2154 02:03:10,723 --> 02:03:14,972 All these conflicting stories came to me and I'd always sensed that... 2155 02:03:15,055 --> 02:03:16,514 (sighs) 2156 02:03:16,598 --> 02:03:21,514 ...she must have had a really hard childhood. And, um... 2157 02:03:21,598 --> 02:03:24,556 so with the help of a lawyer, I got her medical records 2158 02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:28,347 from the institution where she killed herself, and... 2159 02:03:28,431 --> 02:03:30,556 um... 2160 02:03:32,097 --> 02:03:34,681 I found, from her medical records 2161 02:03:34,764 --> 02:03:37,723 that she suffered from manic depression, that's what they called it. 2162 02:03:37,806 --> 02:03:40,972 It's today called bipolar. 2163 02:03:41,055 --> 02:03:43,556 And there was this little autobiography, 2164 02:03:43,639 --> 02:03:46,764 they must have asked her to write her life story. 2165 02:03:47,972 --> 02:03:50,681 What a gift. 2166 02:03:50,764 --> 02:03:54,139 Suddenly it's like, 2167 02:03:54,222 --> 02:03:56,681 it had nothing to do with me! 2168 02:03:56,764 --> 02:04:00,097 It wasn't that I was not lovable. 2169 02:04:01,681 --> 02:04:05,389 It's that things would happen to her, she had a very, very 2170 02:04:05,472 --> 02:04:08,889 hard childhood, and, um, 2171 02:04:08,972 --> 02:04:15,806 it broke her, in some way on some fundamental way, it broke her. 2172 02:04:17,639 --> 02:04:22,889 Garity: I think the most defining moment in my mother's life 2173 02:04:22,972 --> 02:04:26,139 was the death of her mother. 2174 02:04:27,848 --> 02:04:31,055 Jane: My mother died in 1950, 2175 02:04:31,139 --> 02:04:35,598 and I never had an inclination to come here. 2176 02:04:36,139 --> 02:04:40,972 And at the time, it's the right time for me to come and... 2177 02:04:41,055 --> 02:04:43,639 and visit her grave. 2178 02:04:43,723 --> 02:04:46,347 ♪ ♪ 2179 02:05:06,347 --> 02:05:09,180 I finished her life story. 2180 02:05:10,347 --> 02:05:14,264 And all I wanted to do was take her in my arms 2181 02:05:14,347 --> 02:05:16,930 and just say, "I'm so sorry. 2182 02:05:17,014 --> 02:05:21,972 "I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I wasn't... 2183 02:05:22,055 --> 02:05:28,180 "more loving to you, I didn't know. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. 2184 02:05:28,264 --> 02:05:29,972 Please forgive me." 2185 02:05:30,055 --> 02:05:32,055 ♪ ♪ 2186 02:05:42,930 --> 02:05:47,681 Their incapacity to love wasn't because you weren't... 2187 02:05:47,764 --> 02:05:52,930 worthy of love, but it was because they, too, had been wounded. 2188 02:05:53,014 --> 02:05:54,389 ♪ ♪ 2189 02:05:57,764 --> 02:06:00,055 And then you can forgive. 2190 02:06:08,930 --> 02:06:13,139 It goes from one generation to another, and... 2191 02:06:13,222 --> 02:06:16,764 somebody's got to break the cycle. 2192 02:06:18,889 --> 02:06:22,848 One of the reasons that I wanted to write my book was 2193 02:06:22,930 --> 02:06:25,972 because I wanted my daughter to know 2194 02:06:26,055 --> 02:06:29,389 why I wasn't a better parent to her 2195 02:06:29,472 --> 02:06:32,347 and that it had nothing to do with her. 2196 02:06:32,431 --> 02:06:34,930 ♪ ♪ 2197 02:06:36,972 --> 02:06:40,097 I get so sad... 2198 02:06:41,598 --> 02:06:47,347 when I think of what I wasn't for my daughter that she needed. 2199 02:06:50,681 --> 02:06:55,180 And it's hard to take that in 'cause it's so painful, 2200 02:06:55,972 --> 02:06:59,972 but it's never too late, I think. 2201 02:07:02,764 --> 02:07:05,723 There are things between us now that... 2202 02:07:05,806 --> 02:07:09,306 didn't used to be there, and I think we both feel it. 2203 02:07:09,972 --> 02:07:12,598 Deep down, we love each other. 2204 02:07:14,598 --> 02:07:18,180 I hope that she'll be able to forgive me. 2205 02:07:24,598 --> 02:07:29,514 And I feel lucky that I have my family, and my extended family. 2206 02:07:30,055 --> 02:07:34,139 I'm now having relationships that are much more democratic. 2207 02:07:35,514 --> 02:07:41,097 But I am most myself when I'm with my women friends. 2208 02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:45,598 Like a lot of people, I sort of thought that I would 2209 02:07:45,681 --> 02:07:50,097 at some point, you know, kind of retire, and... 2210 02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:52,222 but that's not gonna happen. 2211 02:07:52,306 --> 02:07:53,930 ♪ ♪ 2212 02:07:54,014 --> 02:07:55,930 Reporter: Actress Jane Fonda traveled to Standing Rock 2213 02:07:56,014 --> 02:07:58,764 to serve Thanksgiving meals to demonstrators. 2214 02:07:58,848 --> 02:08:03,347 This is a battle for, not just Standing Rock, but for everyone. 2215 02:08:04,347 --> 02:08:07,347 Jane: It's hard to be really happy if your life doesn't have meaning. 2216 02:08:08,306 --> 02:08:12,097 People turn to religion because it gives them some meaning, 2217 02:08:12,180 --> 02:08:14,972 but I am an activist. 2218 02:08:15,055 --> 02:08:19,139 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Donald Trump has got to go! 2219 02:08:19,222 --> 02:08:21,264 But we're in a whole new era. 2220 02:08:21,347 --> 02:08:25,306 When there's a catastrophe that's happened, we have to be out in the streets. 2221 02:08:25,389 --> 02:08:27,806 (protesters chanting) 2222 02:08:27,889 --> 02:08:34,097 We don't have to choose between the environment and the economy. That is a false choice. 2223 02:08:34,180 --> 02:08:36,764 Reporter: Actresses Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin 2224 02:08:36,848 --> 02:08:39,139 among several celebrities joining the protest, 2225 02:08:39,222 --> 02:08:41,639 and marching with the demonstrators. 2226 02:08:41,723 --> 02:08:42,848 (crowd cheering) 2227 02:08:42,930 --> 02:08:44,306 Jane: Say it with me: 2228 02:08:44,389 --> 02:08:46,972 I pledge to resist! 2229 02:08:47,055 --> 02:08:48,930 I pledge to resist! 2230 02:08:49,014 --> 02:08:52,930 Weinstein: She is not a fly-by-night activist. 2231 02:08:53,723 --> 02:08:56,347 It is deep in her soul. 2232 02:08:56,431 --> 02:09:01,431 There is no stopping that part of herself 'cause it feeds everything. 2233 02:09:01,930 --> 02:09:03,681 Jane: They wouldn't let us in, 2234 02:09:03,764 --> 02:09:06,848 but we can still take our money out! 2235 02:09:06,930 --> 02:09:09,180 (crowd cheering) 2236 02:09:09,264 --> 02:09:12,014 Garity: There's this kinetic energy. 2237 02:09:12,097 --> 02:09:13,806 She won't stop. 2238 02:09:13,889 --> 02:09:16,681 She's on a mission. 2239 02:09:16,764 --> 02:09:20,180 This intent to do well 2240 02:09:20,264 --> 02:09:23,723 keeps her demons at bay. 2241 02:09:23,806 --> 02:09:29,180 Sometimes I want to say, "You don't need to prove anything else to anyone. 2242 02:09:29,264 --> 02:09:33,889 "You don't need to push... so hard, constantly." 2243 02:09:33,972 --> 02:09:35,681 But... 2244 02:09:35,764 --> 02:09:40,055 she is who she is and... 2245 02:09:40,139 --> 02:09:45,347 I-- I, quite honestly, I wouldn't change anything about her. 2246 02:09:45,431 --> 02:09:48,472 ♪ ♪ 2247 02:09:50,306 --> 02:09:54,598 Jane: I had spent so much of my life feeling if I'm not perfect, no one can love me. 2248 02:09:56,306 --> 02:09:58,055 And then... 2249 02:09:58,139 --> 02:10:03,556 I realized that trying to be perfect is a toxic journey. 2250 02:10:03,639 --> 02:10:05,431 We're not perfect. 2251 02:10:05,514 --> 02:10:08,598 We have to love our shadow, 2252 02:10:08,681 --> 02:10:12,972 we have to embrace and accept our shadows. 2253 02:10:15,848 --> 02:10:19,848 And sometimes, good enough is good enough. 2254 02:10:20,889 --> 02:10:22,681 ♪ ♪ 2255 02:10:38,514 --> 02:10:40,556 ♪ ♪