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[thumping intensifies]

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[thumping slows down]

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[phone rings]

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Hello, it's Yance.

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Hello, it's Demitri Jones
returning your phone call.

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-Hi, Miss Jones. How are you?
-OK.

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I am not sure if you remember my name,
or my brother's name.

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He was a homicide victim,

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back in 1992, when you were with the
Suffolk County District Attorney's Office.

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-OK.
-His name was William Ford.

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You worked on the case
with Stephen O'Brien

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and Detective James Hughes.

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OK, what do you want to know?

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I was calling to see if you were willing

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to, within, you know,
your legal restrictions,

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answer some of the questions
that have been,

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sort of, plaguing me
for the last 22 years.

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No. I'm not going to do that.

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OK. Do you mind if I ask you why?

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Because as a prosecutor,
everything that

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happens in the Grand Jury
is confidential.

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-So I'm not going to discuss it.
-Sure. Right. No.

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I'm asking about the investigation.

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Yeah, no, I'm not willing
to discuss any

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of my prior cases on film
with anybody.

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-May I interview you by phone?
-No.

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-OK, and...
-I don't want to discuss the case.

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And you don't want to make any comment?

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I do not want to make any comment.

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-OK, Miss Jones. Thank you.
-Bye.

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My son...

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lying dead in a coffin,

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with the most peaceful look on his face.

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You, your sister...

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And I remember thinking...

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"How are we gonna make it without him?

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How will our life go on, without him?"

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Even then,

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I was saying,

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"Wait until we get to court!

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I said, "This is a young man who has never
been in trouble in his entire life.

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Wait until we get to court."

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[Yance] So you were saying this
to yourself on the day of the funeral?

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"Wait until we get to court.

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This death is not going to be in vain."

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I'm not surprised
that the case didn't go to trial.

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I just want to know all the reasons why.

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[thumps]

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I'm not angry.

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I'm also not willing to accept

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that someone else gets to say

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who William was.

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And if you're uncomfortable
with me asking these questions,

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you should probably get up and go.

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[crickets chirping]

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All of the years that we were growing up,

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if we went through a section,
or passed a section

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that was predominantly white,

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you ran.

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That's when I started to realize
the economic difference.

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OK, so these people weren't wealthy,

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but their wealth was that they were white.

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My father's name
was George Alexander Dunmore.

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I was two when my father died.

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He had a severe asthma attack.

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He was taken to the hospital.

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There was a White waiting room,

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and a Colored waiting room,

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and even though he was critically...

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in respiratory difficulty,

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he was made to wait.

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And during that period
of time, he died.

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[Yance] Tell me the story of how
you met Dad. When did you meet Dad?

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[Barbara] Well, let's not say,
"When did I meet him?"

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When did I become aware of him?

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[Yance] What's the difference?

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Because I saw him
when I was in the sixth grade,

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and he was in the seventh grade.

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I did not speak with him

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until October of 1958.

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I was a sophomore,

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and he was a junior.

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And... where we lived,

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in Charleston, South Carolina,

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we always had a Coronation Ball

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at County Hall.

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Your father came over.

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He asked me for a dance,

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and he asked me that night
if I would be his girl.

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I tried to be cool,

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and let a few seconds pass

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before I said, "Yes!"

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I didn't say yes, I said,

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"Yeah, I guess so."

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You know?
But I was jumping for joy inside.

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Because I had loved this
man from afar

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since I was in sixth grade.

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[gentle music]

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[Barbara] We got married
July 10th, 1965.

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I think that my husband...

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was a gorgeous man, OK?

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He was handsome.

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[laidback jazz]

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[Barbara] We moved to New York.

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I absolutely loved it.

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We found an apartment in Brooklyn.

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I enjoyed it immensely.

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It was the kind of apartment building

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that had a lot of old Jewish ladies
who lived there.

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And they would line up
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in the afternoon, and they'd sit there.

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They were wonderful.

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I remember coming home one day,

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and one of them said,

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"It looks as if
you're going to have a baby!"

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I said, "Oh, my goodness,
I thought I was hiding it."

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I was elated, you know.

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And when I sang he would get quiet,

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and when I stopped,
he would move a little.

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And if I didn't start right back up,

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his little feet and hands would be moving.

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William was born in 1967.

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Your father would say,
"That boy's gonna be so spoiled."

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He was. He was.

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[gentle music]

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[Barbara] I made an "A"
on the national teachers exam.

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I loved teaching.

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I loved it.

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Because I knew what being educated

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had done for my sisters and me.

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And I also knew the struggle.

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My mom stripped tobacco for a living,

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OK?

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She left school in the fourth grade,

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and went to work.

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I helped her learn how to read.

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I think she had no shame with me,

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because I was the youngest.

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And I was proud

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that I could help her
read and write.

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[Yance] My mother started
out her career

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in New York City as an
English teacher,

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and worked her way up to
become Principal

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of Thomas Jefferson
High School

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in East New York.

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After 13 years there,

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she opened a school
for girls and women at Rikers,

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the jail that sits in...

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essentially at the end of the runway
at LaGuardia Airport.

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[ambient music]

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[Yance] She named it Rosewood,
and she developed programs

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that helped women leave prison
with skills,

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so that they would have options
when they got out of prison.

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And my father just believed

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in my mother's ability to do anything.

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[Barbara] Your father worked
at Andrew Geller's.

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Fabulous shoes.

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Fantastic, beautiful shoes,
and I loved them.

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He wanted to be a draftsman.

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He took the test for the
Transit Authority

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to become a motorman...

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but he could still go to school.

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Then you were born.

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When Lauren was born,

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he was overjoyed.

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He was overjoyed.

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But as you guys grew,
you were so rambunctious.

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We were looking for an apartment.

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We looked in Brooklyn.

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Nothing that we found
did your father like.

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He did not like anything that we found.

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I must not have spoken to him
for a month, OK?

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I would put pillows
in the middle of the bed,

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because it meant that

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we had to keep looking,

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and at the time, I did not know
how dead set he was

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on moving to Long Island.

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[Yance] My father drove the J Train,

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which ran on a loop through
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toughest neighborhoods
in the city.

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From his motorman's
cabin, he saw a

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very different New York
than my mother.

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He saw poverty, and crime,

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and violence,

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and a rapidly declining city.

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My father was not a fearful man.

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He was a realist.

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He had already gotten out
of the Jim Crow South in one piece,

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and he didn't want to put
his family or our future at risk.

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[Barbara] We came out one Saturday,

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and met Sam McCollough.

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Nice, you know. He lived in the community.

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He was the agent for the company

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that bought this land
and built the houses.

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I was told later
that they wanted to attract...

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people who were employed
by the city, you know,

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whom they thought could afford the homes.

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A lot of... African Americans

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were moving out to Long Island.

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Civil servants, like bus drivers,
police officers, correction officers...

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and they would put them in pockets,
or neighborhoods in the different towns.

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You could go to certain towns...

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go to Deer Park and find the same "new D,"
Amityville, find the same "new D,"

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but all the rest of Long Island
was, you know, predominantly white.

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So in that one neighborhood,

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it was a haven.

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When you would go out, you know...

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you might be running back for your life,
you know?

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Growing up
in a new development, a "new D"...

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was beautiful.

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It was wonderful.

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It was safe.

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[Barbara] I really,
really did not like it.

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Everybody was black.

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-[Yance] You think that
was an accident?

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-[Barbara] Of course not.

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But...

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I guess...

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not having grown up...

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in a home that belonged to us as a family,

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I wanted to ensure

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that you guys had it differently.

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This has been our home:

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147 Cone Avenue, Central Islip.

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[ice cream van playing tinkling music]

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[music continues]

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When they moved to the neighborhood
where I grew up in Central Islip,

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it was essentially moving back
into a segregated community.

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Segregation draws a line
around not just your neighborhood,

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but your life.

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"Sorry, you can't have more.
Sorry, you can't earn more.

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You can't shop here.
You can't live here. You can't move here.

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This is it for you."

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[Yance] While the houses were
affordably priced, it was deceptive.

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The taxes were high
and the public schools were bad.

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And now, on top of a mortgage
and car payments,

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they had to pay
a combined 36 years of tuition

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to put three kids through
Catholic school.

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[Barbara] The bottom line was,
your father had to leave college.

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It got too much for him.

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He started working the night shift.

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Sometimes I'd be coming down
the Southern State, coming home,

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and he'd be going in.

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I would blow at him, he'd blow at me
and we would wave, you know.

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And for many, many, many years,
that's the way it was.

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I think it was good for you guys,

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but not good for a
marriage to thrive.

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[Ray Charles: "Let the Good Times Roll"]

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Hey, everybody
Let's have some fun

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You only live but once
And when you're dead, you're done

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 So let the good times roll

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I said, let the good times roll

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I don't care if you're young or old

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 You ought to get together
Let the good times roll

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[Yance] I loved that my mother,
especially,

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made it really clear that, no matter what,

260
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my brother, my sister and I,

261
00:18:29,399 --> 00:18:32,361
our principal job in life
was to love each other.

262
00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:35,405
I'm grateful for that directive.

263
00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:37,991
It's one of the reasons
why I miss my brother so much.

264
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,293
William was seven years older than I was,

265
00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:50,796
and that is fantastic.

266
00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,633
Being nine years old
and having a 16-year-old brother

267
00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,136
who can get you into R-rated movies

268
00:18:57,219 --> 00:18:59,888
and buy you comic books,

269
00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:02,891
and be able to drive you around...

270
00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:06,395
He would look at me and say,
"Kato, we're on a mission."

271
00:19:06,478 --> 00:19:08,355
No matter what we were doing.

272
00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:11,400
We could be going
to the grocery store to pick up...

273
00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:15,529
wax paper, you know,
and he was like, "We're on a mission."

274
00:19:15,612 --> 00:19:18,323
[male narrator] Another challenge
for the Green Hornet,

275
00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:22,035
his aide, Kato, and their rolling
arsenal, the Black Beauty.

276
00:19:22,786 --> 00:19:25,205
[Lauren] Kato was
the Green Hornet's sidekick.

277
00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:26,915
Kato was played by Bruce Lee.

278
00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:31,461
We grew up watching
old-school Batman and Robin,

279
00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:33,672
and The Green Hornet.

280
00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:36,216
Hornet gun. Let's roll, Kato.

281
00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:39,970
Being called Kato was like,
an honor, you know,

282
00:19:40,053 --> 00:19:41,680
because Bruce Lee was awesome.

283
00:19:41,763 --> 00:19:46,185
We both loved martial arts, you know,
and comic books and stuff like that.

284
00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:48,353
We'd, like, pass them around

285
00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:51,481
and say, "Look at this.
Do you see the artwork on this one?"

286
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:54,193
"Oh, did you see the plotline on this one?
Oh, man!

287
00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,445
They're going to kill this guy off? No!"

288
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:57,738
You know?

289
00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:00,574
It was just awesome.

290
00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:06,455
[Kevin] Football is how we met.

291
00:20:07,831 --> 00:20:11,877
His dad and my dad,
and his self and myself,

292
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,921
were all on the same team.

293
00:20:14,004 --> 00:20:16,757
And that's how we began
our friendship.

294
00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:20,594
Ford was a center, I was
a defensive end,

295
00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:23,358
and we used to rely on
each other for

296
00:20:23,363 --> 00:20:25,390
rides back and forth
to practice.

297
00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,308
[Kevin laughs]

298
00:20:26,391 --> 00:20:30,103
From that time... until he passed away,

299
00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:32,981
I would pretty much say
we were pretty much inseparable.

300
00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:36,526
Me and William.

301
00:20:38,528 --> 00:20:40,822
[Kevin] Ford was protective
of those around him,

302
00:20:40,906 --> 00:20:42,699
especially his sisters.

303
00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:46,286
[Lauren] I was 15.

304
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:50,207
He was the first person to tell me
I looked pretty, you know?

305
00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,334
He's like, "Now look at yourself."

306
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:56,588
And he's like, "You're pretty."

307
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:02,761
And I'm like, "No, I'm not."
And he's like, "Yes, yes, you are."

308
00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,016
That's just something I never forgot.

309
00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:18,485
[Yance] My parents wanted
to raise remarkable kids.

310
00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:22,781
Our blackness, and what it meant
to be black in America,

311
00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,075
and how to survive being
black in America,

312
00:21:25,158 --> 00:21:28,578
and the resilience that needed
to be black in America,

313
00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,330
as well as the pride,

314
00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:31,976
was something that
our parents

315
00:21:31,981 --> 00:21:33,834
instilled in us
extraordinarily well.

316
00:21:34,501 --> 00:21:38,380
But it didn't occur to them
that there were other things

317
00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:40,465
that their kids might struggle with.

318
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:46,388
William's room had been directly
across the hall from my parents.

319
00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:49,182
He quickly...

320
00:21:52,102 --> 00:21:53,020
[sighs]

321
00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,230
OK, what I remember...

322
00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:07,617
There are five steps
from the main level of the house

323
00:22:07,701 --> 00:22:09,328
down into the basement.

324
00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,749
By that summer,
William had moved to the basement.

325
00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,876
I would sneak into William's room

326
00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:19,504
and I'd read his magazines, and...

327
00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:22,883
You know, I read a lot of Playboy...

328
00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:25,343
that summer!

329
00:22:26,136 --> 00:22:30,265
I read a lot of Forum magazine
that summer.

330
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:35,854
And...

331
00:22:36,938 --> 00:22:40,692
that was something that I...

332
00:22:41,943 --> 00:22:43,361
felt, really...

333
00:22:44,362 --> 00:22:45,739
both...

334
00:22:47,991 --> 00:22:50,994
excited by, and ashamed of.

335
00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:56,875
Because I knew I was queer,

336
00:22:56,958 --> 00:23:00,003
and there was no one
to talk about it with.

337
00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:05,842
[all sing] Happy birthday,
dear Yance!

338
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:10,180
Happy birthday to you!

339
00:23:10,263 --> 00:23:12,682
[cheering, applause]

340
00:23:14,684 --> 00:23:19,856
[The Crests: "Sixteen Candles" playing]

341
00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,737
[Yance] I never asked...
I never asked my parents questions.

342
00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:30,700
You know, we had health
class in school,

343
00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:34,538
so I learned about sex
and childbirth...

344
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:37,207
from Catholic nuns.

345
00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:42,546
Instead of going to math class,
I went to the library and found...

346
00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:44,464
you know, Rita Mae Brown books,

347
00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:47,592
and even though they were corny,
I read those.

348
00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:51,513
That's how I learned that there were
other gay people in the world.

349
00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:58,478
I never told William
that I was queer,

350
00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:01,940
and I wish I had.

351
00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:12,450
That's right, the basement room
was my brother's last room,

352
00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,369
and he was living at home,

353
00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,164
when he was killed.

354
00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:24,462
[Lauren] I think it was a weekend,

355
00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:28,425
because William and Lesline
had taken me bowling.

356
00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:31,011
It was a fun night.

357
00:24:31,094 --> 00:24:33,597
I bowled a 96.

358
00:24:35,098 --> 00:24:36,683
On the way back,

359
00:24:37,475 --> 00:24:39,102
I was sitting behind William.

360
00:24:39,186 --> 00:24:40,854
Lesline was driving.

361
00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:45,734
We were going to take the shortcut
onto Brightside, and as we were turning,

362
00:24:45,817 --> 00:24:50,113
I saw this tow truck
that didn't have any lights on,

363
00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:54,618
and before I could say, "Look out,"

364
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:57,746
bam, we were in a car accident.

365
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,376
[Lauren] William helped
me out of the car.

366
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,045
He asked me if I was OK.

367
00:25:06,129 --> 00:25:07,631
I said yes,

368
00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,675
and then he walked me
over to the tree stump,

369
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,012
sat me down, said, "Stay here."

370
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:17,641
The tow truck belonged
to some kind of body shop,

371
00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:22,604
and they said that
if they didn't file a police report,

372
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:24,856
that they would fix Lesline's car.

373
00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:29,194
[Lauren] All I knew was that it was
being fixed by the guys who hit it.

374
00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:35,700
[Kevin] Once I found out
where the car was at,

375
00:25:35,784 --> 00:25:38,495
I said to Ford that,

376
00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:40,828
"I don't think the place
is legit. I

377
00:25:40,833 --> 00:25:43,291
don't think it is what
you think it is."

378
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:46,962
That, "You got to be very careful."

379
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:50,632
That they weren't the kind of people
you wanted to play around with.

380
00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:54,886
[Barbara] I was on Rikers Island
at the time,

381
00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:58,974
and Lesline got a job
working for me.

382
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,977
One day, we were driving home,

383
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,271
and she asked me if I would stop by

384
00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:07,691
so she could see if her
car was finished.

385
00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:11,152
But it wasn't finished.

386
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:14,781
And that's when the drama started.

387
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,292
[Kevin] Sitting downstairs
on the sofa,

388
00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,211
and the phone rang, and it was Ford,
and he says,

389
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:30,547
"Hey, what's going on? I
need a favor."

390
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:35,010
So I said, "What's up?" And he goes,
"I need to go to pick up the car."

391
00:26:35,552 --> 00:26:37,387
It was late, I thought it was weird,

392
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:41,349
but at that point I'd known the shop
to be open all types of hours of night.

393
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:45,770
So I said, "Oh, great! Are you sure
you're picking up the car?"

394
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,857
He's like, "Yeah, it's all done,"
and I'm like, "This is over.

395
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:50,525
Let's get in the car. It's over."

396
00:26:50,608 --> 00:26:52,247
I got in the car, went the three

397
00:26:52,252 --> 00:26:54,612
blocks to get to
Ford's house.

398
00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:57,744
He came outside, seemed
in a good mood,

399
00:26:57,749 --> 00:26:59,617
so I didn't think
anything.

400
00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:01,077
He gets in the car.

401
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,622
I remember turning the car
on and saying,

402
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,207
"Let's go to Queens."

403
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,835
"Queens" was our strip club's...

404
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:10,920
code for going to a strip club.

405
00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:12,881
"Let's go to Queens, let's get a beer."

406
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,550
He goes, "Yeah, sure.
Let me just go and get the car."

407
00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,010
I said OK.

408
00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:20,180
We got up the street
to the first stop sign,

409
00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:23,725
and again I said,
"I think we should go get a beer,"

410
00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:27,479
and he says, "Kev, you're bugging.
Take me to get the car."

411
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:29,615
We turn, we start heading
down Ferndale

412
00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:31,107
towards Brightside,
and...

413
00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:33,735
once you make that turn
it's pretty much right there.

414
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:37,919
I remember him going
into the yard and

415
00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:39,616
somebody coming out of
the shop door

416
00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:41,117
and meeting him in the yard.

417
00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:43,195
And immediately words
started getting

418
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,330
exchanged. And I said,
"Oh, here we go."

419
00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,209
And it's nothing physical,
and it's nothing too out of control,

420
00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:52,796
so I'm just, like, not saying nothing.

421
00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:56,132
I'm just kind of standing there,
and then...

422
00:27:57,133 --> 00:28:00,595
someone walked out of the garage area.

423
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:06,309
Three feet, four feet,
stopped dead in his tracks.

424
00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:08,353
Ford turned and said,

425
00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,314
"Kevin, that's the kid
that cursed out my mother."

426
00:28:12,565 --> 00:28:17,070
And then, back we grew up,
nobody disrespects your mom.

427
00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:20,740
At that point, I knew somebody
was going to get into a fight.

428
00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:24,911
There was nothing for me to say,
so I just said, "OK."

429
00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:28,415
And Ford went to walk towards him.

430
00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:30,458
The kid turned,

431
00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:33,294
went back in the garage
and made a left.

432
00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:34,712
Disappeared.

433
00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:37,715
The minute Ford walked into that
garage door and made a left,

434
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,342
I heard a pop.

435
00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:43,054
And I said to the guy, I said,
"What the hell was that?"

436
00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,931
And he says, "I don't know."

437
00:28:45,014 --> 00:28:47,976
I said, "It sounded
like an air compressor,"

438
00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:50,228
and then I said,
"Do you guys have a gun here?"

439
00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:52,188
He said,
"Yeah, we have one in the back."

440
00:28:52,772 --> 00:28:54,274
I said, "Oh, shit."

441
00:28:57,026 --> 00:28:58,528
[Barbara] The phone rang.

442
00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:03,491
Kevin was on the phone.

443
00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:06,077
"Ms. Ford,

444
00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:10,290
you need to come to Super Stang."

445
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:14,836
I said, "Why?"

446
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,130
He said, "Something happened."

447
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,758
She takes the car.

448
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:25,889
And all I know is that
she pulled out of the driveway,

449
00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:28,933
heading down Cone Avenue.

450
00:29:38,735 --> 00:29:40,695
[Barbara] There was a barricade.

451
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:47,911
No officer spoke to me.

452
00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:52,457
No officer...

453
00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:55,585
would look at me.

454
00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,464
Kevin came to me,

455
00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,384
and he said,

456
00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:07,555
"Mark Reilly shot William."

457
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:12,060
And I said to the officer,

458
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,103
you know...

459
00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:19,484
"Where is my son?
I want to be with my son."

460
00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:25,198
And he told me that...

461
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:31,788
they had taken him to LIPA,

462
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,166
to airlift him...

463
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,294
to Stony Brook.

464
00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:42,549
We went to the emergency room.

465
00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,927
The area where he was,

466
00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:47,387
was...

467
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,723
from here to that wall...

468
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,731
with beds, you know,
where people were being treated.

469
00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:08,616
And...

470
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,833
he was laying there.

471
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,465
And he looked so peaceful.

472
00:31:30,346 --> 00:31:32,090
[Yance, reading] "The
body is that of

473
00:31:32,095 --> 00:31:33,725
a well-developed obese
black male.

474
00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:36,936
The body weighs 240 pounds,

475
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:39,105
is five feet, eight
inches in height,

476
00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:42,859
and appears compatible
with the reported age of 24 years.

477
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:46,779
Cause of death: gunshot
wound of chest.

478
00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,240
Manner of death: homicide."

479
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:54,537
[Lauren] Eleven o'clock rolls by.

480
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:59,417
Midnight comes by, and I haven't
heard anything from Mom.

481
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,962
And Dad gets home. It's about
one o'clock in the morning.

482
00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,925
"What are you doing up? Where is
your mother? Where is William?"

483
00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:09,802
And I'm like, "He was in a fight
and Mom went to get him."

484
00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:13,097
I hear a car pull up outside.

485
00:32:14,724 --> 00:32:18,353
You know, Dad's looking at her,
I'm downstairs looking at her,

486
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:22,190
and she comes in and she's like,
"He's gone."

487
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,861
-[Yance] Is that how she said it?
-Yeah.

488
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:35,703
Dad just held her,

489
00:32:37,705 --> 00:32:39,624
and held me, and...

490
00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:42,627
cried.

491
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:44,379
We all just cried.

492
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,174
You know?

493
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,804
Dad sent me upstairs to my room.

494
00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,225
Whatever she explained,
she explained to Dad.

495
00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,560
She never explained it to me.

496
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,899
[soft, sinister music]

497
00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:09,862
[Yance, reading]
"My boss asked me to call home.

498
00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:13,616
She was the Dean of Multicultural
Recruitment at Hamilton.

499
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,327
I asked her what was wrong.

500
00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:18,955
She told me to stay calm.

501
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:22,083
I told her not to tell
me to stay calm.

502
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:25,545
My dad answered the phone.

503
00:33:25,628 --> 00:33:27,380
I said, 'Is it Mom?'

504
00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:30,466
He said, 'Your mother is fine.'

505
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:34,345
I said, 'Lauren?'
Or maybe I said, 'What's happening?'

506
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,473
He said, 'Your brother is gone.'

507
00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,562
The next part of the conversation
is a blur to me.

508
00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:45,273
I remember screaming
and punching the wall.

509
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,276
Packing a few clothes,

510
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,445
including the one dress I owned,

511
00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:51,571
and leaving.

512
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,075
That was the beginning.

513
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:00,747
I remember walking into the house

514
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:03,791
and feeling immediately
like I was surrounded by strangers,

515
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,628
even though they were people I
had known for most of my life.

516
00:34:08,671 --> 00:34:13,426
I remember walking in
and having to suppress the urge

517
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:16,679
to tell everyone
to get the fuck out of the house.

518
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:23,102
My mother was on the couch,
sleeping and crying.

519
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:25,980
My father was...

520
00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:29,859
stunned.

521
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:32,570
Imploding.

522
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,656
My sister...

523
00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:37,867
was alone.

524
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:49,003
And I felt like all the people
who were there were in the way,

525
00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:51,564
and were obstructing my
ability to see

526
00:34:51,569 --> 00:34:53,549
where the next threat
was coming from.

527
00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,099
If I could have turned
around and left,

528
00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:06,437
I would have, but that
wasn't an option."

529
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:10,733
[soft, sinister music]

530
00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:28,876
[Barbara] We went to
meet with the DA.

531
00:35:29,418 --> 00:35:33,673
I'm not going to lie to you and say,

532
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:37,468
"Well, the DA said this
and the detective said that."

533
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,012
This is what I can tell you:

534
00:35:40,096 --> 00:35:42,014
from what they said,

535
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:47,019
I did not feel that we were received

536
00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:51,190
as parents of a victim.

537
00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:56,779
OK? We weren't received
as parents of a victim.

538
00:35:57,321 --> 00:35:59,907
We were received as...

539
00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:07,665
folks being informed
that an investigation had to be conducted,

540
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:10,209
and would be conducted.

541
00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:11,419
OK?

542
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:17,592
I...

543
00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:22,263
was foolish enough to think

544
00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,558
that, well, you know,

545
00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,018
"It's gonna be OK."

546
00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:30,646
And then one day
I got a call to come...

547
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,274
see Ms. Jones.

548
00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:36,319
We had no experience
with this kind of stuff.

549
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:39,697
Maybe I should have had a lawyer.
I don't know what should have went on.

550
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,532
She called and said "Meet me."

551
00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:45,870
You just go there, answer questions...
you know, about that night.

552
00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:47,038
That's what I thought.

553
00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:51,250
To be honest, I didn't know she was a DA.
I was thinking I was going to a detective.

554
00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:54,629
I was shocked
when she walked in the room.

555
00:36:55,504 --> 00:36:57,798
She really started
with the stuff with the gym.

556
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:01,135
She was like, "You look
like you're in pretty good shape,"

557
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,512
and, "How much do you weigh?"

558
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:07,225
She asked something about William's size,

559
00:37:07,308 --> 00:37:11,145
kind of, more telling me than asking me,
and I don't think she sat down.

560
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:14,273
She kept walking back and forth
in front of the table.

561
00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:15,524
It was just...

562
00:37:15,608 --> 00:37:16,692
I was like,

563
00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:21,656
"Why are they asking me all these
questions about strength and gym and..."

564
00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,034
It was not a lot about that night,

565
00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:26,994
or about...

566
00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:30,164
William.

567
00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:35,836
[Barbara] What they spent time on

568
00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:42,051
was investigating his background.

569
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:46,055
That's what they spent time on.

570
00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,228
[Yance] Day by day, you hear
that your son is being investigated.

571
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:54,772
Day by day, you hear rumors.

572
00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:00,736
And you grow more and more afraid.

573
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:05,700
[soft, sinister music]

574
00:38:10,037 --> 00:38:12,290
[phone rings]

575
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,879
[ringing continues]

576
00:38:21,048 --> 00:38:23,509
Countless number of times,

577
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:26,846
at all hours of the night,

578
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,225
during the summer
after my brother was killed,

579
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,894
I could look outside the window,

580
00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:36,230
and there was a car
parked across the street.

581
00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:40,192
That car, and whoever was in that car

582
00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:44,530
was watching our house
and trying to intimidate my parents.

583
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:49,327
The phone rang in the middle of the night,

584
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,412
every night for months.

585
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:57,418
When I was home, I unplugged
all of the phones in the house

586
00:38:57,501 --> 00:38:59,045
except for the one in my room,

587
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,714
so my parents could
sleep through the night.

588
00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:05,718
So that they wouldn't have
to pick up the phone and say, "Hello?"

589
00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,680
and not have anyone respond.

590
00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:15,102
So they wouldn't have to hang up the phone
and go to the window,

591
00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:18,105
and see the car sitting across the street.

592
00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:23,569
[Yance] Having grown up
in the South,

593
00:39:23,652 --> 00:39:27,698
where the cops and the Klan
were one and the same,

594
00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:32,661
my parents didn't turn
to the police for protection.

595
00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:35,664
They had already felt
that the police

596
00:39:35,669 --> 00:39:37,124
had turned their own son

597
00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:39,752
into the prime suspect in
his own murder.

598
00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:43,837
So not only is the phone
ringing, not

599
00:39:43,842 --> 00:39:45,633
only is there a car
across the street,

600
00:39:45,716 --> 00:39:48,052
but there's the growing sense

601
00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:52,973
that the DA is going
to actually let this kid

602
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:55,309
get away with murder.

603
00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:05,444
"May 20th, 1992.
District Attorney James Catterson.

604
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,991
Dear Mr. Catterson,
I am the mother of William Ford Jr.

605
00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,203
a 24-year-old man
who was murdered by Mark Reilly.

606
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:19,041
My family and I have been working
with Detective James Hughes

607
00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:21,252
and Assistant DA Stephen O'Brien

608
00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:23,462
regarding the investigation of this crime.

609
00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:28,592
We have waited and worked cooperatively
with the investigation.

610
00:40:29,218 --> 00:40:31,762
There is, however,
a nagging doubt which I have,

611
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,056
regarding the prosecution of this crime.

612
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:39,728
Now, nearly two months later
after his deliberate death,

613
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:44,275
I and my family have yet to receive
even a note from the Reillys.

614
00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:47,111
Adding insult to injury,

615
00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:51,407
I now fear that your office has not yet
fully embraced the advocacy

616
00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:54,869
for the people of the State of New York
in the prosecution of this case.

617
00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:56,662
Why?

618
00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:02,877
It is because we are being told, quote,
'It is entirely up to the Grand Jury.'

619
00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:07,298
I believe that
the strength of the presentation

620
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:11,635
made to the Grand Jury by your office
is the determining factor.

621
00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:17,099
My son was not armed,
not violent, not aggressing.

622
00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:20,603
In no way is his death justifiable.

623
00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:25,983
I intend never to rest
until his murderer is brought to justice.

624
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:31,030
With the advocacy of your office
for the people of the State of New York,

625
00:41:31,113 --> 00:41:33,240
I trust that it will be soon,

626
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,076
for we too, are the people.

627
00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:38,496
Barbara Dunmore-Ford."

628
00:41:42,708 --> 00:41:45,920
You know, the Grand Jury
is sort of this mystery, right, to people,

629
00:41:46,003 --> 00:41:48,297
And it's written
right into our Constitution.

630
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,966
So really, it shouldn't be a mystery,
but it is.

631
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,970
You know, the Bill of Rights calls
for a Grand Jury in felony cases,

632
00:41:55,054 --> 00:42:00,434
and that allows the prosecutor to present
its evidence to a neutral party,

633
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:04,063
whether it's a Grand Jury
or a judge in a preliminary hearing,

634
00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:05,689
to show that there's two things:

635
00:42:05,773 --> 00:42:09,151
one, that there is probable cause
that a crime has been committed,

636
00:42:09,235 --> 00:42:13,072
and probable cause that this is
the individual who committed the crime.

637
00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:24,250
So at a trial, we have to prove beyond
reasonable doubt, to a moral certainty,

638
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:27,670
that the person charged is
the defendant who committed the crime.

639
00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:30,339
But in the Grand Jury
it's just probable cause.

640
00:42:35,844 --> 00:42:39,974
In order for the case to go to a trial,
the Grand Jury would have had to...

641
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:43,727
I mean, I wasn't there, but presumably
they would have voted a True Bill,

642
00:42:43,811 --> 00:42:46,355
saying that there was
probable cause to move forward.

643
00:42:54,488 --> 00:42:58,158
So a Grand Jury is somewhat mysterious,
I think, to the general public.

644
00:42:58,242 --> 00:43:01,203
Another reason that is,
is that it's secret.

645
00:43:02,162 --> 00:43:04,331
And, you know, that actually...

646
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:08,043
I think some people
get concerned with that.

647
00:43:08,127 --> 00:43:11,046
It's actually supposed to be
a protection for the defendant.

648
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,008
And the idea there is, you know,

649
00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:17,678
if the Grand Jury decides
that there is not probable cause,

650
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,015
that the person should not have
the stigma of, you know,

651
00:43:21,098 --> 00:43:23,851
having been brought before a Grand Jury.

652
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:25,728
And, you know,

653
00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:30,024
the disclosure of secret Grand Jury
material can be a crime in jurisdictions,

654
00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:34,028
and it's certainly unethical
for a prosecutor to disclose...

655
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,946
things that happen in a Grand Jury.

656
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,407
And the Grand Jurors themselves
can't disclose.

657
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:40,367
Now, the witnesses, in New York,

658
00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:43,120
are free to talk about
what they presented to the Grand Jury.

659
00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:46,789
[Barbara] What flashed
into my mind just

660
00:43:46,794 --> 00:43:48,751
now, was the room we
were waiting in.

661
00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:51,211
The ADA came in,

662
00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:53,797
and called me in to testify.

663
00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,676
I walk in. I sit down.

664
00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:00,387
I look around the room.

665
00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:03,223
I see nobody who looks like me.

666
00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:06,894
No person of color.

667
00:44:13,942 --> 00:44:19,239
They were sitting in an area
like a theater.

668
00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:21,450
Elevated seats.

669
00:44:22,951 --> 00:44:25,913
There must have been
twenty-something people there.

670
00:44:27,748 --> 00:44:29,875
One person was reading a book,

671
00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:32,503
another lady was reading a magazine,

672
00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:35,673
there was a conversation going on...

673
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:41,095
My feelings were,
when I sat in that chair...

674
00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:47,768
was, "They don't care
about what I have to say.

675
00:44:47,851 --> 00:44:49,186
They really don't."

676
00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:51,605
They weren't paying attention.

677
00:44:52,898 --> 00:44:54,191
They weren't.

678
00:44:54,817 --> 00:44:55,734
OK?

679
00:44:56,693 --> 00:44:57,736
And...

680
00:44:59,738 --> 00:45:03,826
I became very angry with myself,

681
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:07,079
because at one point...

682
00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:10,999
I began to cry.

683
00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,420
And I...

684
00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:18,298
hated that moment.

685
00:45:19,675 --> 00:45:20,968
Because...

686
00:45:24,138 --> 00:45:25,848
I felt that...

687
00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:30,602
you know, they were going to say,

688
00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:34,690
"Here is another black woman

689
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:38,193
who didn't do her job with her child,

690
00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:41,447
and now she wants us
to make somebody pay."

691
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:44,533
That's how I felt.

692
00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:48,245
When your father came back,

693
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:50,080
he said to me...

694
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:55,085
"Don't expect anything,

695
00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:58,046
because it ain't gonna happen."

696
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,383
-[Yance] And how did you find out?
-They came here.

697
00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:02,759
[Yance] Who came here?

698
00:46:04,511 --> 00:46:05,637
[sighs]

699
00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:08,432
One ADA,

700
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,393
and a detective.

701
00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:16,190
[Yance] And what did they tell you?

702
00:46:17,774 --> 00:46:19,359
They didn't indict.

703
00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,361
They returned a No True Bill.

704
00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:27,868
[Yance] That was it?

705
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,704
"I'm sorry."

706
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:35,959
[Yance] What happened after that?

707
00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:38,587
I opened the door and said,
"Thank you for coming."

708
00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:45,219
And I will be very honest with you.

709
00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:47,513
When that door closed, I collapsed.

710
00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:53,602
[soft music]

711
00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:22,381
[Yance] I haven't ever, not once,

712
00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:25,759
tried to imagine what he looks like.

713
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:29,721
I think he looks like...

714
00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:36,270
no offense to present company,

715
00:47:36,895 --> 00:47:38,730
every white man I've ever seen.

716
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,905
I think he looks like...
the ticket taker...

717
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:49,199
on the Long Island Railroad.

718
00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:51,660
I think he looks like, you know...

719
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:57,374
the guy in front of me, buying a beer,

720
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:59,501
at the bar.

721
00:48:02,462 --> 00:48:04,464
I think he looks like, you know...

722
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,678
the schmuck who took my cab.

723
00:48:11,179 --> 00:48:13,056
He looks like my physical therapist.

724
00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:19,146
He looks like, you know...

725
00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:23,692
anybody, anyone, everyone.

726
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:26,403
He's everywhere.

727
00:48:30,115 --> 00:48:31,617
He looks like everywhere.

728
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:42,002
It's one of those things
you do in high school.

729
00:48:42,085 --> 00:48:43,295
Everybody just....

730
00:48:44,212 --> 00:48:45,047
proves themselves.

731
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:48,634
And... Ford proved himself
on a daily basis!

732
00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:50,052
[Kevin laughs]

733
00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:53,639
He just took on this personality,
I guess, once he realized his size,

734
00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:57,351
and that he could... you know,
that he could intimidate people.

735
00:48:57,934 --> 00:49:01,063
It was actually my birthday,
I think it was my 16th birthday,

736
00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:03,852
and one of the more menacing
kids decided

737
00:49:03,857 --> 00:49:06,401
that day was my turn to
get picked on.

738
00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:10,280
We were in a fight,
and one of his friends had a knife,

739
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:15,035
and tried to give the knife
to the person I was engaged with.

740
00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:18,747
Ford just stopped him, and he goes,

741
00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:21,249
"I wouldn't do that if I was you."

742
00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:24,294
He just grabbed the knife and the
kid just kind of looked at him,

743
00:49:24,378 --> 00:49:27,172
and went back to watching the fight.

744
00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:29,299
You know, I don't know
if he saved my life.

745
00:49:29,383 --> 00:49:31,134
It was just, Ford was very protective.

746
00:49:34,763 --> 00:49:37,099
[Kevin] Ford got his license
in the 11th grade.

747
00:49:37,683 --> 00:49:41,978
Your family had an extremely large,
green station wagon.

748
00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:45,953
I think it probably fit,
like, 15 people

749
00:49:45,958 --> 00:49:47,693
in it, and we made sure
that it did.

750
00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:51,071
And we would travel to
different towns,

751
00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,157
looking for trouble and
looking for girls.

752
00:49:54,241 --> 00:49:57,160
Ninety-nine percent trouble
and one percent girls!

753
00:49:57,244 --> 00:49:58,662
[JVC Force: "Strong Island"]

754
00:49:58,745 --> 00:50:03,166
Living in CI, who the hell am I?
AJ Rok the juice, I get fly

755
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,502
Cool with the riffing
Guy, keep a handle

756
00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,338
 Cause if you don't
I'll wax you down like a candle

757
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:10,632
 Kill it or shoot it
Buy it or distribute it

758
00:50:10,716 --> 00:50:12,676
But either way the two's
unconstituted

759
00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:15,804
Styling and wilding
Constantly smiling

760
00:50:15,887 --> 00:50:18,640
We'll keep trooping
In a place called Strong Island

761
00:50:19,474 --> 00:50:22,561
So the first time I met him was in '85,

762
00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:25,564
our freshman year at Howard University
in Washington DC.

763
00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:31,027
And Ford was the only one
that had on a shirt and tie,

764
00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:35,657
slacks, and some...
you know, a pair of dress shoes!

765
00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,243
Everybody else was
in sneakers and shorts.

766
00:50:38,326 --> 00:50:40,829
And it was strange,

767
00:50:40,912 --> 00:50:43,957
because the first thought
you would think is,

768
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:46,084
"Is he a nerd?"

769
00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:48,670
You know, was he a square, or...

770
00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:52,174
But he actually wasn't any of that.

771
00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:53,967
You know, he was just...

772
00:50:56,803 --> 00:50:59,598
He liked to make
a good impression, you know?

773
00:51:00,807 --> 00:51:03,018
The second semester
was the hardest for him.

774
00:51:06,188 --> 00:51:08,857
He didn't love Howard, you know.

775
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:14,279
He wanted to be home, you know.
He wanted to be home. Yeah.

776
00:51:22,204 --> 00:51:25,040
[Yance, reading] "January
30th, 1989.

777
00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:28,919
I'm trying to keep
all aspects of my life balanced

778
00:51:29,002 --> 00:51:31,213
and be successful in all of them.

779
00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,757
I cut school today to go get a job.

780
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,470
I got a Sunday-to-Thursday
three-to-11 shift, driving a cab.

781
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:42,474
I need the money for Valentine's Day
and Mom's birthday,

782
00:51:42,557 --> 00:51:44,810
and my other job doesn't start
until the 15th."

783
00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:48,939
Untitled.

784
00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:52,567
"Looking at her is peace itself.

785
00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:55,654
He is at last where he
has longed to be.

786
00:51:56,196 --> 00:51:58,281
Finally, a loving place
in her heart.

787
00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:01,827
He looks upon her
and now begins to wonder

788
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:04,412
if the love of someone so radiant
can be possessed.

789
00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:08,458
He likes holding her in his arms,

790
00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:12,462
close to him, breathing together
as if from one heart.

791
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,151
He loves her gentle kisses
under his neck

792
00:52:16,156 --> 00:52:17,884
that make him powerless
to stand.

793
00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,597
Does she know that she is
the ghost that haunts his dreams?

794
00:52:23,598 --> 00:52:26,059
Dream, and dream.

795
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:28,687
He begins to wonder.

796
00:52:29,271 --> 00:52:32,232
He looks at her
because he doesn't want to lose

797
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,609
what he is not certain he truly has.

798
00:52:35,902 --> 00:52:37,195
He will always look.

799
00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:40,198
Anything she wants.

800
00:52:41,074 --> 00:52:42,576
William Ford, Jr."

801
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,705
Some of the stuff,
I couldn't wrap my mind around.

802
00:52:46,788 --> 00:52:49,875
I said, "Bread, man,
what are you writing about, man?"

803
00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:53,253
But in retrospect,

804
00:52:53,336 --> 00:52:56,256
it could have just been life,
man, you know.

805
00:52:57,591 --> 00:53:00,093
[Yance] William needed a job
to get him back on his feet,

806
00:53:00,176 --> 00:53:02,257
and my mother helped him
get a position

807
00:53:02,262 --> 00:53:03,680
as an assistant teacher.

808
00:53:04,723 --> 00:53:07,309
He was assigned to the boys' school
on Rikers Island

809
00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:10,186
and helped teach math to the
young men who were jailed there.

810
00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:14,859
[Harvey] When Cornbread
started teaching

811
00:53:14,864 --> 00:53:17,736
at Rikers, I think his
innocence was lost.

812
00:53:19,195 --> 00:53:21,239
The tragedy...

813
00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:27,829
to see others...

814
00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:33,668
that... that look like you, are you...

815
00:53:36,004 --> 00:53:37,380
still in bondage.

816
00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:42,969
To try to wrap your mind
around what needs to be done,

817
00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:45,180
at a young age,

818
00:53:45,263 --> 00:53:47,724
realizing there's no quick fix,

819
00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:50,602
and this was...
it was like a culture shock.

820
00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:57,025
I think the... his experience at Rikers

821
00:53:57,859 --> 00:54:00,362
deepened him, you know?

822
00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:05,033
It deepened him,

823
00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:06,910
to the point that...

824
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:13,249
he wanted to... to make...

825
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,049
make his... efforts count for something.

826
00:54:22,092 --> 00:54:23,259
Yeah.

827
00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:33,436
[Kevin] William walked towards the
garage and made a left.

828
00:54:35,063 --> 00:54:37,691
It wasn't maybe two seconds,
three seconds...

829
00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:39,526
I just heard, like, a pop.

830
00:54:41,194 --> 00:54:43,321
By the time I got to the garage door,

831
00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:45,782
William was backpedaling,

832
00:54:45,865 --> 00:54:49,244
and he just kind of spun,
I mean, with the biggest eyeballs,

833
00:54:49,327 --> 00:54:52,580
and he just looked at me and he goes,
"Kev, he shot me."

834
00:54:53,832 --> 00:54:57,502
And... I wasn't strong enough
to hold him up.

835
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,462
We both kind of fell to the ground.

836
00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:02,757
You know, once I asked the guy,
he was named Tom,

837
00:55:02,841 --> 00:55:04,426
"What kind of gun is it?"

838
00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:07,887
And he goes,
"Oh, it's a twenty-two. It's a rifle."

839
00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:09,597
So I kind of chuckled and I...

840
00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:13,018
you know, it's kind of something you use
to hunt rabbits or birds, you know?

841
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,229
I remember laughing,
and I'm holding Ford, and going,

842
00:55:16,312 --> 00:55:18,064
"Dude you got shot with a .22!

843
00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,650
This is hilarious!
Are you kidding me? Get up!"

844
00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:22,944
And,

845
00:55:23,611 --> 00:55:24,821
Ford wasn't saying nothing.

846
00:55:24,904 --> 00:55:26,614
I'm like, "Dude, get up."

847
00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:28,199
And...

848
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:32,245
Then I saw some kind of...

849
00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:36,291
fluid, you know, on the pavement,

850
00:55:36,374 --> 00:55:38,251
and I'm just, like, "What is that?"

851
00:55:38,334 --> 00:55:39,377
And...

852
00:55:40,795 --> 00:55:43,089
you know, it was never...

853
00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:44,758
I never saw any blood.

854
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,887
I just remember things happening very fast
at that point.

855
00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:52,557
The police came
and they're, like, grabbing me,

856
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,978
and pulling me to get away from Ford,
and I'm like, "You can't leave him there!"

857
00:55:57,062 --> 00:56:01,191
And they're like, "There's a person
with a gun inside, get behind the car."

858
00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:04,110
They put me behind the police car
and they left Ford there.

859
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:05,945
I'm like, "You can't leave him here."

860
00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:09,657
And, one police officer was like,
"You better not move."

861
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,410
And the next thing I know,

862
00:56:12,494 --> 00:56:16,081
they were walking out
with the guy that, you know, shot him.

863
00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:21,419
And he never went in handcuffs,
and that was kind of odd to me.

864
00:56:21,503 --> 00:56:25,590
I don't remember them putting him in a
police car. They put him against the car.

865
00:56:25,673 --> 00:56:27,967
And there was a conversation that ensued.

866
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:32,388
That's the part that was just weird to me.
I kept paying attention to that part.

867
00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:35,225
At some point, a limousine pulled up,

868
00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:38,394
and I remember them walking this kid
to the limousine.

869
00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:43,399
And I just stood there, like,
"This is crazy that he's not in handcuffs,

870
00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:45,485
that he's going to get into a limo."

871
00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:49,823
He was in there for some period of time.

872
00:56:50,907 --> 00:56:54,244
I kept asking, I said,
"Where's the ambulance? What's going on?

873
00:56:54,327 --> 00:56:57,497
I've got to go see Ford.
I've got to go see my friend."

874
00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:01,626
And this cop is like, "You're not going
anywhere, you're coming to the precinct.

875
00:57:01,709 --> 00:57:03,461
You have a lot of questions to answer.

876
00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:07,507
You have to understand that a man
has been murdered here tonight."

877
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:12,262
It's how I found out that Ford
had already, I guess, passed away.

878
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:16,850
And I remember standing there,
and I'm like, "What?

879
00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:19,102
What do you mean? He's dead?"

880
00:57:20,019 --> 00:57:22,564
From the time that William was shot

881
00:57:22,647 --> 00:57:24,274
and that limo pulled up,

882
00:57:24,357 --> 00:57:25,942
the story got made then.

883
00:57:26,943 --> 00:57:28,111
You know,

884
00:57:28,194 --> 00:57:31,573
that this person...

885
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:35,785
was not going to jail, period.

886
00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:37,871
You know.

887
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:40,540
It just wasn't going to happen.

888
00:57:49,507 --> 00:57:51,676
[Yance] So after William was killed,
I was...

889
00:57:52,218 --> 00:57:54,637
I tried to have
eyes in the back of my head.

890
00:57:57,515 --> 00:57:59,392
Am I saying what I really mean?

891
00:58:03,396 --> 00:58:06,065
I remember coming here and I remember...

892
00:58:08,776 --> 00:58:10,612
you know, kind of...

893
00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:15,700
you know, kind of coming inside
and seeing you guys.

894
00:58:18,578 --> 00:58:20,663
And your mom was sitting on the couch,

895
00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:23,708
and I was kind of scared to approach her.

896
00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:27,212
And she was, like...
She's like, "Come here."

897
00:58:27,295 --> 00:58:30,798
And I kind of walked over
and she said, "Sit on my lap."

898
00:58:30,882 --> 00:58:34,844
And she said, "Kevin, just two things."

899
00:58:34,928 --> 00:58:37,430
She goes, "Don't desert me,"

900
00:58:38,097 --> 00:58:39,098
and she goes,

901
00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:42,810
"This is what Ford would have wanted.
He would have wanted you to be there."

902
00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:48,900
That was just...

903
00:58:53,905 --> 00:58:56,449
It took the air out of me, you know?

904
00:58:59,118 --> 00:59:02,080
It left me constantly winded, man.

905
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,333
You know.

906
00:59:06,918 --> 00:59:08,378
You know...

907
00:59:13,508 --> 00:59:16,803
I decided not to let anybody see me upset.

908
00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:20,515
Because then they would want
to talk about it.

909
00:59:20,598 --> 00:59:24,394
And I don't want to talk about it.
Back then, I didn't want to talk about it.

910
00:59:25,603 --> 00:59:30,191
So whenever anybody asked me
how I was doing, I said I was doing fine.

911
00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:34,195
I started spending some time...

912
00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:40,493
away from home,
because I couldn't be here by myself.

913
00:59:41,995 --> 00:59:44,664
Or, you know, with Mom and Dad.

914
00:59:45,206 --> 00:59:48,167
Mom just spontaneously crying, and...

915
00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:53,131
If I wasn't with my friends after school,

916
00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:56,259
I was here, either in my room,

917
00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:58,344
or watching TV.

918
00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:01,973
And just... just staying quiet.

919
01:00:07,228 --> 01:00:09,731
[Yance] After William was killed,
I was scared.

920
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:14,277
I was scared to leave my home,

921
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,945
I was scared to stay.

922
01:00:20,575 --> 01:00:23,036
I was scared that my parents would...

923
01:00:33,046 --> 01:00:36,758
Your father said to me,

924
01:00:39,052 --> 01:00:41,721
"Don't do anything to hurt my daughters.

925
01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:48,686
Don't do anything to hurt my girls.

926
01:00:49,354 --> 01:00:51,397
These are vicious people.

927
01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:56,194
Your son was shot down like a dog.

928
01:00:58,112 --> 01:01:00,448
You're not going to be with them always,

929
01:01:00,531 --> 01:01:02,200
I'm not with them always.

930
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:04,702
The girls are all we have left."

931
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,791
[soft, sinister music]

932
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:18,257
[Barbara] I wanted him to be angry.

933
01:01:18,341 --> 01:01:21,552
I wanted him to be outraged.

934
01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:25,598
I wanted him...

935
01:01:26,641 --> 01:01:28,017
to...

936
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,604
I wanted him to get a gun...

937
01:01:34,399 --> 01:01:38,027
to avenge my son's death.

938
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,909
He became silent.

939
01:01:55,128 --> 01:01:58,673
We never sat down as a family
and talked about what happened.

940
01:02:03,761 --> 01:02:05,430
We just kind of...

941
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,228
went into our own spaces,
went into our own heads.

942
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:22,238
[Barbara] The house had a stillness

943
01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:26,409
unlike anything I've ever felt

944
01:02:27,535 --> 01:02:28,995
in my life.

945
01:02:33,499 --> 01:02:35,209
It was like...

946
01:02:36,669 --> 01:02:38,713
all the sound...

947
01:02:39,672 --> 01:02:41,048
left the world.

948
01:02:47,263 --> 01:02:50,141
I thought...

949
01:02:51,058 --> 01:02:54,270
that I could comfort your father,

950
01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,983
or... and that he would comfort me.

951
01:03:01,986 --> 01:03:04,030
But he turned his back.

952
01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:11,287
I would move over, over...

953
01:03:12,121 --> 01:03:15,374
and... he couldn't go any further.

954
01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:17,835
He couldn't go any further.

955
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:23,758
So I got up and I walked
around the bed,

956
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:26,219
and I got in front of him.

957
01:03:28,471 --> 01:03:29,931
I just said,

958
01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:34,435
"It's not your loss.

959
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:38,064
It's our loss.

960
01:03:41,108 --> 01:03:44,529
We, together, created this child.

961
01:03:45,363 --> 01:03:48,991
God granted him to us for these years.

962
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:57,291
You can't grieve an issue
that came from my body,

963
01:03:57,375 --> 01:03:58,960
and shut me out."

964
01:04:03,297 --> 01:04:04,841
And we both cried.

965
01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:08,719
He embraced me, and we both cried.

966
01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:10,930
And that's how we went to sleep.

967
01:04:19,105 --> 01:04:22,900
[soft wind blows]

968
01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:34,537
[chattering crowd]

969
01:04:36,622 --> 01:04:38,082
Yance, go down.

970
01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:41,377
Why don't you let us button up your strap?

971
01:04:42,086 --> 01:04:42,962
No.

972
01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:44,859
[Yance] My father had
the stroke that

973
01:04:44,864 --> 01:04:46,883
paralyzed him on the left
side of his body

974
01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:49,093
the year after my brother
was killed.

975
01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:54,473
Help me stand up.

976
01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:56,058
Help you stand up?

977
01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:58,811
Yeah.

978
01:05:04,483 --> 01:05:06,402
Right. OK.

979
01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,654
[Lauren] Yance, stand next to Dad.

980
01:05:08,738 --> 01:05:10,406
-Do you want to stand beside me?
-Yeah.

981
01:05:10,489 --> 01:05:12,491
-Where are you?
-I'm right here.

982
01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:15,786
That's the good side.

983
01:05:16,621 --> 01:05:19,040
The right side is the good side.

984
01:05:19,123 --> 01:05:21,834
-I know.
-Alright. OK.

985
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,210
[Lauren] Smile, Dad.

986
01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:24,587
[he chuckles]

987
01:05:26,088 --> 01:05:27,632
What else?

988
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,468
[Lauren] OK, this is good. I'm done.

989
01:05:32,553 --> 01:05:34,513
And... fading to black.

990
01:05:34,597 --> 01:05:36,432
[woman laughs]

991
01:05:37,683 --> 01:05:40,686
When I went to college,
I did start doing what I wanted to do.

992
01:05:41,228 --> 01:05:46,025
I had filled out an application
for the Rochester Police Department...

993
01:05:47,234 --> 01:05:48,444
you know?

994
01:05:49,195 --> 01:05:51,948
And I was looking into
the Monroe Sheriff's County...

995
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,451
the Monroe County Sheriff's Department.

996
01:05:55,993 --> 01:05:59,080
I wanted to... I was pursuing...

997
01:05:59,872 --> 01:06:03,376
you know, being a cop
or being an EMT up there,

998
01:06:03,918 --> 01:06:05,336
when Dad had his stroke,

999
01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:06,379
and...

1000
01:06:07,505 --> 01:06:09,674
Mom was like, "We can't
afford to keep you up there."

1001
01:06:17,139 --> 01:06:19,934
[Lauren] 7:30 in the morning.
I had woken up late.

1002
01:06:20,017 --> 01:06:22,728
I got dressed, got my
stuff together...

1003
01:06:24,814 --> 01:06:27,900
I had to go to class,
because we had a test.

1004
01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:34,907
I go into the city. I do my thing.

1005
01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:36,409
I come back home,

1006
01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:41,247
but the first thing I see
is Dad's wheelchair folded up

1007
01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,042
in the corner of the foyer,
and I'm like, "What's going on?"

1008
01:06:47,878 --> 01:06:50,923
Mom found him outside,

1009
01:06:52,091 --> 01:06:54,552
underneath the porch in a
nice shady spot,

1010
01:06:54,635 --> 01:06:57,596
where he liked to sit
and watch people go by.

1011
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,058
[gentle ambient music]

1012
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:40,347
[Barbara] I did William a
great disservice

1013
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:45,436
in raising him the way we did.

1014
01:07:46,687 --> 01:07:48,439
Because,

1015
01:07:48,522 --> 01:07:52,359
we've always tried to teach you guys

1016
01:07:52,443 --> 01:07:56,489
that you see character
and not color.

1017
01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,746
And many, many times, I wonder...

1018
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,460
how I could be so wrong.

1019
01:08:31,565 --> 01:08:34,443
[Yance] The only nightmare
I ever remember having

1020
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,406
is my mother,
standing at the top of the stairway

1021
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:41,200
in her nightgown.

1022
01:08:42,201 --> 01:08:44,078
Her hair is on end.

1023
01:08:44,745 --> 01:08:46,372
There's light behind her.

1024
01:08:47,414 --> 01:08:49,125
I can't see her face.

1025
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:52,211
She says to me,

1026
01:08:53,504 --> 01:08:55,548
"This house is made of bone.

1027
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,010
This house is made of bone.

1028
01:09:02,263 --> 01:09:04,849
This house is made of bone."

1029
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:15,276
[buzzing]

1030
01:09:28,998 --> 01:09:30,708
[Barbara] I failed

1031
01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:34,712
to keep my son alive.

1032
01:09:37,673 --> 01:09:41,010
I failed you and your sister,

1033
01:09:41,677 --> 01:09:45,764
in not pursuing justice.

1034
01:09:49,393 --> 01:09:51,478
How do you know...

1035
01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:55,149
when and what to do differently?

1036
01:09:56,775 --> 01:09:59,236
[Yance] OK, my dear.

1037
01:10:00,112 --> 01:10:01,906
[Barbara] Thank you very much.

1038
01:10:02,489 --> 01:10:04,867
[Yance] Want to go up to the mirror
to take a look?

1039
01:10:13,334 --> 01:10:16,420
My mother always suspected
that there was something else,

1040
01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:19,882
that she didn't know,
or that she hadn't been told,

1041
01:10:19,965 --> 01:10:23,719
that had happened, that had
contributed to my brother's death.

1042
01:10:25,054 --> 01:10:26,347
She had asked me,

1043
01:10:26,889 --> 01:10:29,350
"Is there anything that you know
that I don't know?"

1044
01:10:29,892 --> 01:10:33,979
And I flat out lied to her
on more than one occasion,

1045
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:34,980
and said, "No.

1046
01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:37,650
You know everything I know."

1047
01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:41,528
[Yance] And that wasn't true.

1048
01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,547
I never told my mom about
the conversation

1049
01:10:47,552 --> 01:10:48,911
that William had with me.

1050
01:10:48,994 --> 01:10:51,121
I never told my mother
that he called.

1051
01:10:53,999 --> 01:10:55,914
I went to college 300
miles from home,

1052
01:10:55,919 --> 01:10:57,670
in the middle of upstate
New York.

1053
01:10:58,837 --> 01:11:01,757
When I got to Hamilton,
I could finally come out.

1054
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,843
I just didn't have to hide anymore.

1055
01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:07,888
And that's the person
that William didn't know.

1056
01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:15,145
When William had a confrontation...

1057
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:19,108
Not the night that he was shot
but about a month earlier,

1058
01:11:20,526 --> 01:11:22,194
at the garage,

1059
01:11:22,987 --> 01:11:28,158
and threw a vacuum cleaner
and picked up a... a car door...

1060
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:32,454
threatening to slam it down...

1061
01:11:34,623 --> 01:11:36,000
He called me after that,

1062
01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:40,212
and told me what he had done, and...

1063
01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:43,924
I was proud of him.

1064
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:48,053
I cheered him on, for being a bad-ass,

1065
01:11:48,137 --> 01:11:50,431
for not taking shit from anybody.

1066
01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:52,182
And he actually called me.

1067
01:11:54,268 --> 01:11:56,353
He could have called his friends.

1068
01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,648
He could have chosen not to call anyone.

1069
01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:02,735
But he called me, and told me about it.

1070
01:12:02,818 --> 01:12:04,987
Because he was proud of himself.

1071
01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:08,157
And I think that he wanted me
to be proud of him.

1072
01:12:08,741 --> 01:12:09,992
And I was.

1073
01:12:12,286 --> 01:12:14,246
And I felt a little bit like...

1074
01:12:16,206 --> 01:12:20,085
even though he might not have fully known
who he was talking to...

1075
01:12:22,421 --> 01:12:25,549
it felt like he was talking
to the real me.

1076
01:12:29,053 --> 01:12:31,138
And that's why that phone call is so dear.

1077
01:12:32,848 --> 01:12:34,558
That's why it's so important.

1078
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:38,354
And that's why I feel like I fucked it up.

1079
01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:44,026
[Yance] Mark Reilly is accountable
for William's death

1080
01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:45,986
because Mark Reilly shot William.

1081
01:12:47,613 --> 01:12:51,617
But I could have helped William stay
out of that situation to begin with.

1082
01:12:52,826 --> 01:12:56,205
If I had told my parents
about the first incident,

1083
01:12:56,288 --> 01:12:59,625
he would have been stopped
in his tracks,

1084
01:12:59,708 --> 01:13:01,710
because they both would have
come down on him.

1085
01:13:02,711 --> 01:13:04,129
But instead,

1086
01:13:04,671 --> 01:13:06,340
I enjoyed...

1087
01:13:07,383 --> 01:13:09,176
my brother, the hero.

1088
01:13:10,844 --> 01:13:14,139
And a month later or so,

1089
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:15,766
that hero was dead.

1090
01:13:17,726 --> 01:13:20,646
The madness that is my brother's death,

1091
01:13:21,271 --> 01:13:23,232
would drive me mad,

1092
01:13:24,358 --> 01:13:26,402
if I weren't able...

1093
01:13:28,487 --> 01:13:31,657
to hold myself accountable
for at least a small part of it.

1094
01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:35,869
Because then, it sort of...
it grounds it somewhere.

1095
01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:37,621
It puts it on the earth,

1096
01:13:38,664 --> 01:13:42,918
as opposed to in the ether,
or as opposed to... in the unknown,

1097
01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:44,795
or in the anonymous.

1098
01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:50,175
If I don't ground it,
in some way, in myself,

1099
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,011
then it's everywhere, all the time.

1100
01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,555
It's ubiquitous.

1101
01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:02,020
And that actually is a greater,
more damaging,

1102
01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:04,690
heavier burden to live with,

1103
01:14:05,315 --> 01:14:09,945
than to blame myself
for not being a smarter 19-year-old,

1104
01:14:10,028 --> 01:14:12,448
when my brother called me and told me

1105
01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:15,492
about this stupid fight that he had.

1106
01:14:20,873 --> 01:14:22,374
Does that make sense?

1107
01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,341
[train horn blaring]

1108
01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:52,821
[car passes outside]

1109
01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:58,869
[phone dialing]

1110
01:15:00,621 --> 01:15:03,415
[ringing]

1111
01:15:08,378 --> 01:15:10,047
[man] Detective's Association.

1112
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:13,634
Good morning. I was hoping to speak
to Detective James Hughes, please.

1113
01:15:13,717 --> 01:15:15,594
This is Detective James Hughes.

1114
01:15:15,677 --> 01:15:18,680
Good morning, Detective Hughes.
My name is Yance Ford.

1115
01:15:19,223 --> 01:15:21,475
I don't know if my name
is familiar to you at all.

1116
01:15:21,558 --> 01:15:23,661
It's familiar because I
just got back from

1117
01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,604
vacation and listened
to your message.

1118
01:15:25,687 --> 01:15:27,790
I do remember the case.
I remembered it

1119
01:15:27,795 --> 01:15:29,900
as soon as I heard your
brother's name.

1120
01:15:30,442 --> 01:15:34,279
You know, obviously, the Grand Jury,
when presented with the evidence,

1121
01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,406
came back with a No True
Bill on the case.

1122
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,283
You know, there was a...

1123
01:15:40,494 --> 01:15:45,749
The Grand Jury pretty much looked at
the case as... a self-defense case.

1124
01:15:45,832 --> 01:15:48,794
They felt it was a justifiable...
shooting.

1125
01:15:49,753 --> 01:15:53,382
The way the Grand Jury went was
supported by the facts and evidence.

1126
01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:58,595
Just, you know, I mean... and that's
part of what made the case so hard.

1127
01:15:59,972 --> 01:16:02,015
But, I mean, this wasn't a thing

1128
01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:04,476
where I thought the Grand Jury
went the wrong way.

1129
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,771
Because I had a number
of different statements from people,

1130
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,566
about incidents prior to
this incident.

1131
01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:12,234
And...

1132
01:16:12,317 --> 01:16:15,696
[Yance] I mean, I know that
there was one incident before...

1133
01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:17,322
the night that he was killed,

1134
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:19,491
because he told me about it.

1135
01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:23,453
You know, he'd picked up a car door.
He'd thrown a vacuum cleaner.

1136
01:16:23,537 --> 01:16:24,496
[James] Oh, yeah.

1137
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,374
So I know that that incident occurred.
I don't know...

1138
01:16:27,457 --> 01:16:30,002
Let me see if I can get a hold
of any of my reports.

1139
01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:33,630
OK. Anything... Anything you could
share with me would be really helpful.

1140
01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:36,300
-I can't promise. But if I can...
-No, of course not.

1141
01:16:36,383 --> 01:16:38,552
I really appreciate it.
Thank you very much.

1142
01:16:38,635 --> 01:16:42,139
-I'll talk to you within the next
week. -OK, sounds good. Thank you.

1143
01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:45,892
[exhales]

1144
01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:03,952
[dialing on phone]

1145
01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:12,461
[ringing tone]

1146
01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,428
-[woman] Hey, there.
-[Yance] Hey.

1147
01:17:21,511 --> 01:17:22,638
[woman] How's it going?

1148
01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:25,807
I just talked to Detective Hughes.

1149
01:17:26,433 --> 01:17:28,060
Oh, my goodness.

1150
01:17:28,769 --> 01:17:31,688
I need to talk. I just need to hear
your voice for a few minutes.

1151
01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:33,815
I'm right here. I'm right here.

1152
01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:36,068
The fucking vacuum cleaner...

1153
01:17:36,818 --> 01:17:37,903
incident...

1154
01:17:37,986 --> 01:17:39,404
Oh, my God.

1155
01:17:40,197 --> 01:17:42,366
...is why they didn't indict him.

1156
01:17:44,534 --> 01:17:45,744
[woman gasps] What?

1157
01:17:47,537 --> 01:17:51,041
Because he threw a vacuum cleaner.
Because he picked up a car door.

1158
01:17:51,124 --> 01:17:55,629
And because apparently that's enough
to justify reasonable fear.

1159
01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:57,756
What kind of investigation was this?

1160
01:18:00,550 --> 01:18:04,262
The fucking vacuum cleaner.
Oh, my gosh, my love.

1161
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:06,306
OK.

1162
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:08,225
Wait. What else did he say?

1163
01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:10,644
Nothing. I just hung up
the phone with him.

1164
01:18:10,727 --> 01:18:12,437
He's going to call me back next week.

1165
01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:14,856
-He's gonna call you back next week.
OK. -Yeah.

1166
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:16,983
Did you start crying on the phone
or after?

1167
01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:20,153
After. I managed to keep myself together!

1168
01:18:21,238 --> 01:18:23,532
Deep breath. Take a deep breath.

1169
01:18:24,074 --> 01:18:25,075
Thank you.

1170
01:18:25,158 --> 01:18:28,036
-I'll be home soon, OK?
-OK. Talk to you soon. Bye.

1171
01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:33,250
[inhales deep breath]

1172
01:18:40,090 --> 01:18:41,800
[Yance sobs quietly]

1173
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:44,803
[high-pitched whining noise]

1174
01:18:51,852 --> 01:18:55,147
[screams]

1175
01:19:01,486 --> 01:19:04,489
[breathes deeply]

1176
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:17,544
[high-pitched whining noise]

1177
01:19:24,676 --> 01:19:27,971
[noise fades to crickets chirping]

1178
01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:32,601
You know, I actually had hoped
to not be in New York that weekend.

1179
01:19:32,684 --> 01:19:36,188
I had hoped to be in Chicago
with a bunch of my friends.

1180
01:19:36,271 --> 01:19:39,608
But I couldn't get anyone to cover
my shifts at the DA's office.

1181
01:19:40,317 --> 01:19:43,987
I didn't have any cash
so I went to the local ATM,

1182
01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:46,948
and as I was doing the transaction,

1183
01:19:47,032 --> 01:19:49,075
I felt something at the back of my head.

1184
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:52,162
And at first I actually thought it was
one of my roommates,

1185
01:19:52,245 --> 01:19:54,956
maybe playing a joke
or something like that.

1186
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,209
I turned around and there was, you know,

1187
01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,461
a man standing there
with a gun in his hand.

1188
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:02,589
You know, very surreal.

1189
01:20:02,672 --> 01:20:06,593
You know, it's sort of...
people describe... sort of slow motion.

1190
01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:09,638
And that's sort of what I, you know,
went through at that point.

1191
01:20:09,721 --> 01:20:12,849
My, sort of, heart,
at that point was in my throat.

1192
01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:16,937
You know, I could feel my sort of...
constriction, in my throat.

1193
01:20:17,020 --> 01:20:19,689
And I basically made a break for the door,

1194
01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:24,110
you know, giving him the money,
and then there was an explosion.

1195
01:20:25,403 --> 01:20:29,032
And, you know,
I remember actually more the sound first,

1196
01:20:29,115 --> 01:20:31,535
and then this feeling,

1197
01:20:31,618 --> 01:20:35,956
like someone had just, you know...
punched me in the kidney, right?

1198
01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:37,040
And...

1199
01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:39,626
And it was this huge disconnect.

1200
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:42,337
It just... the explosion was one thing,

1201
01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:46,883
And then there was this feeling in my...
like a really hard punch to the kidney.

1202
01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:50,262
And then it was suddenly this realization.

1203
01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:52,264
"Oh, my God, I've been... He shot me."

1204
01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,058
And I remember yelling out, like,
"Oh my God, he shot me."

1205
01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:57,769
And then he was gone.

1206
01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,647
I remember thinking,
"I'm not going to die here. Not today.

1207
01:21:00,730 --> 01:21:02,774
Not here on the streets of Brooklyn."

1208
01:21:02,858 --> 01:21:04,484
And... sorry.

1209
01:21:09,155 --> 01:21:12,659
So I put my hand behind my back,
because I was like, "What is that?"

1210
01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:16,121
Like I was feeling, like... moisture.

1211
01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:20,542
And my hand was soaked in blood.

1212
01:21:22,794 --> 01:21:24,087
I'm dying.

1213
01:21:24,671 --> 01:21:26,214
So I...

1214
01:21:26,756 --> 01:21:28,717
I just need to get to a live person,

1215
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,469
someone I can talk to
who's going to know what to do.

1216
01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:34,139
I knew the one place
you always find people is the subway,

1217
01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:36,516
and also the token clerk, and...

1218
01:21:37,475 --> 01:21:40,854
So I actually had a badge,
as a prosecutor,

1219
01:21:40,937 --> 01:21:44,566
and you know, I pulled out my badge
and I said, "Help me, I've been shot."

1220
01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:48,153
And I sort of put it up
against the window and...

1221
01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:51,823
She was like, "OK, alright," you know,
"Hold on, honey. Hold on, honey."

1222
01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:55,493
And, you know, she quickly made a call
on something and then she came out,

1223
01:21:55,577 --> 01:21:58,079
which, I found out later,
is against all protocol.

1224
01:21:58,163 --> 01:21:59,331
But...

1225
01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:02,042
it was this moment of humanity.

1226
01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,293
She...

1227
01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:08,256
She just held me.

1228
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:12,928
And... she encouraged me to sit down,
and I was afraid to shut my eyes,

1229
01:22:13,011 --> 01:22:15,555
because if I fall asleep,
I'm not going to wake up.

1230
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:18,767
So...

1231
01:22:19,768 --> 01:22:20,894
Sorry.

1232
01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:28,360
They got me up.
They got me into an ambulance.

1233
01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:30,462
I didn't realize that
they shut down the

1234
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:32,405
Brooklyn Bridge, to get
me over there.

1235
01:22:32,989 --> 01:22:34,991
The other thing I had a
vague memory of,

1236
01:22:35,075 --> 01:22:37,327
when I was still down
in the subway...

1237
01:22:37,869 --> 01:22:39,913
These two guys coming up and one saying,

1238
01:22:39,996 --> 01:22:42,457
"Hey, man, what happened?
Where did you go?"

1239
01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:47,545
You know. "We saw you, we saw you."
Or, you know, "We couldn't find you."

1240
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,465
And again, I found out later
from the prosecutor

1241
01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:52,217
that one of them was your brother.

1242
01:22:52,926 --> 01:22:55,136
Or was your brother or his friend.

1243
01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:57,931
They apparently had seen part of it,

1244
01:22:58,014 --> 01:23:01,184
or had seen this...
one of the guys running away.

1245
01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:04,062
And I guess one of them
would chase after the guy,

1246
01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:05,897
and one of them went to try to find me.

1247
01:23:08,775 --> 01:23:11,361
Mr. Ford's testimony was basically,

1248
01:23:11,444 --> 01:23:15,073
the guy was running right down the middle
of the street, and he ran after him.

1249
01:23:15,156 --> 01:23:18,076
The guy with the gun.
And jumped on him, and caught him.

1250
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,912
That's my remembrance
of what had happened.

1251
01:23:21,454 --> 01:23:24,749
And I remember that we made an X
right in the middle of the street,

1252
01:23:24,833 --> 01:23:27,252
on a picture,
as to where that had happened.

1253
01:23:29,713 --> 01:23:31,673
I mean, he just, he reacted,

1254
01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:35,260
and I was trying to remember,
was he in the service or something?

1255
01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:37,554
What gave him the training or ability

1256
01:23:37,637 --> 01:23:42,058
to handle himself
in such a... effective way?

1257
01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:43,685
You know? Fearless.

1258
01:23:45,854 --> 01:23:49,524
It was a... it was a heroic act, I think.

1259
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,408
[Yance, reading] "January 1st, 1992.
It's a new year.

1260
01:23:58,491 --> 01:24:00,785
I'd said I was not going
to make any resolutions,

1261
01:24:00,869 --> 01:24:04,247
but there are some goals that I
would like to get accomplished.

1262
01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:07,751
One. By June 1st, I would like
to be a corrections officer.

1263
01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:10,045
Or I will be back in school.

1264
01:24:10,128 --> 01:24:11,921
These are my only two options.

1265
01:24:12,005 --> 01:24:15,800
Two. This year,
I want to stand and not falter.

1266
01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:19,512
I want to calm some of my fears.
I want to feel peaceful.

1267
01:24:19,596 --> 01:24:22,223
This is the year for me to find me.

1268
01:24:22,307 --> 01:24:23,308
January 2nd.

1269
01:24:23,391 --> 01:24:27,270
It's only the second day of the year
and already I'm feeling lonely.

1270
01:24:27,937 --> 01:24:32,108
I'm tired of every aspect of my life
having an undecided feeling.

1271
01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:33,777
January 7th.

1272
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:37,489
When I got home, there was a letter
from the Department of Corrections,

1273
01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:40,784
telling me I have 30 days
to come in for my weigh-in.

1274
01:24:41,826 --> 01:24:44,085
I'm on a two-day
fast, and will be

1275
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:46,998
back down to 245
by Wednesday.

1276
01:24:47,791 --> 01:24:50,835
I couldn't ask
for a more powerful motivation.

1277
01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:52,837
40,000 dollars a year!

1278
01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:55,548
I've been trying to get this job
for almost two years,

1279
01:24:55,632 --> 01:24:58,760
and now it all comes down
to the next 28 days.

1280
01:24:58,843 --> 01:25:02,138
The only thing that I must remember
is that there can be no failure.

1281
01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:03,848
There is no starting over.

1282
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:07,143
This is the last chance I'm going to get,
and I must take it.

1283
01:25:08,478 --> 01:25:10,897
January 9th. I'm at 241.

1284
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:14,359
My next goal is to be at 230 by the 19th.

1285
01:25:14,442 --> 01:25:18,363
The goal after that is 225 by the 25th.

1286
01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:22,575
Then, if I am down to 220 by the 30th,

1287
01:25:22,659 --> 01:25:24,994
I will go in on the 31st.

1288
01:25:25,078 --> 01:25:28,790
And I still have two tricks up my sleeve
that I've been holding in reserve:

1289
01:25:28,873 --> 01:25:31,459
Ex-Lax and Lasix.

1290
01:25:33,545 --> 01:25:34,963
January 28th.

1291
01:25:35,672 --> 01:25:37,924
The only problem is,
I think I'm getting sick.

1292
01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:40,927
I'm feeling weaker
than I have felt the whole time.

1293
01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:42,887
I have to hang on until Friday.

1294
01:25:42,971 --> 01:25:46,141
I don't care if I have to crawl
into the place. I will not give up.

1295
01:25:47,142 --> 01:25:49,978
January 30th. The last day.

1296
01:25:50,061 --> 01:25:52,772
I do know that this
is a chance to start over,

1297
01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:54,691
with a whole new everything.

1298
01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:56,985
It's not just a new job,

1299
01:25:57,610 --> 01:25:58,862
it's a new adventure.

1300
01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,282
Pull this off, and then you can...

1301
01:26:03,491 --> 01:26:06,786
actually make
a small chunk of the world yours.

1302
01:26:08,246 --> 01:26:12,333
Pull this off, and you can actually make
a small chunk of the world yours.

1303
01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:13,626
Just do it."

1304
01:26:24,095 --> 01:26:25,430
"Dear Candidate,

1305
01:26:26,014 --> 01:26:29,475
This is in reply to your appeal
to the City Civil Service Commission

1306
01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:31,884
of your disqualification
for appointment

1307
01:26:31,889 --> 01:26:34,314
to the above position,
Correction Officer,

1308
01:26:34,397 --> 01:26:36,524
for medical reasons: weight.

1309
01:26:37,442 --> 01:26:40,195
The City Personnel Director
has granted your appeal,

1310
01:26:40,278 --> 01:26:42,488
and you have been marked: qualified."

1311
01:26:44,324 --> 01:26:46,326
It's May 15th,

1312
01:26:46,409 --> 01:26:49,245
so he has been dead now...

1313
01:26:53,583 --> 01:26:55,376
He's been dead for six weeks.

1314
01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:01,716
But, hey,

1315
01:27:02,258 --> 01:27:03,927
he's medically qualified.

1316
01:27:08,306 --> 01:27:10,183
[phone rings]

1317
01:27:13,811 --> 01:27:14,854
[Barbara] Hello?

1318
01:27:15,396 --> 01:27:16,856
Hi!

1319
01:27:17,857 --> 01:27:20,193
Oh, I'm getting there.

1320
01:27:20,276 --> 01:27:22,695
I had my eyes done.

1321
01:27:23,363 --> 01:27:26,908
I certainly look as if
I fought with Muhammad Ali,

1322
01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:29,869
he beat me up, went and had dinner,

1323
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:33,206
and came back
and punched me in the face some more!

1324
01:27:34,207 --> 01:27:36,376
[laughs]

1325
01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:39,295
The children are doing well.

1326
01:27:39,379 --> 01:27:41,256
They're not children anymore.

1327
01:27:41,798 --> 01:27:43,633
They tell me what to do.

1328
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:47,762
But every now and then,
you've got to put them back in place.

1329
01:27:48,346 --> 01:27:52,183
You've got to let them know
that you're still the boss.

1330
01:27:53,059 --> 01:27:55,061
I'm still the boss, Yance.

1331
01:27:55,144 --> 01:27:56,729
[Yance] I always knew that.

1332
01:27:56,813 --> 01:27:58,147
[Barbara laughs]

1333
01:27:58,231 --> 01:27:59,816
[Barbara] Thank you for calling.

1334
01:27:59,899 --> 01:28:04,237
You brought bright rays of sunshine
in my life.

1335
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:10,076
What are you doing now?

1336
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:13,705
I want to make sure that there's
ice going down the side of your cheek.

1337
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:16,207
Like, to this place, here.

1338
01:28:16,291 --> 01:28:17,458
OK.

1339
01:28:17,542 --> 01:28:20,253
And down the side of here, also.

1340
01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:24,299
You know, so that we get
some ice on the corners.

1341
01:28:24,382 --> 01:28:29,220
So why don't you put a piece of tape
from here, back there?

1342
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:32,015
And if you need to take
the earring out, you can.

1343
01:28:32,515 --> 01:28:35,018
[Hughes] From what I was able
to put together...

1344
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:39,188
...there was a car accident
on February 16th.

1345
01:28:39,272 --> 01:28:41,324
Apparently, it was with
a Super Stang

1346
01:28:41,329 --> 01:28:43,109
vehicle, driven by
Mark Reilly.

1347
01:28:43,192 --> 01:28:45,403
There was an agreement made
at the scene

1348
01:28:45,486 --> 01:28:47,697
that Super Stang would fix the car.

1349
01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:50,074
Then time started to stretch out.

1350
01:28:50,158 --> 01:28:53,189
By March 19th, Lesline
and your mom went

1351
01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:56,039
to the shop to see what
was going on.

1352
01:28:56,122 --> 01:29:01,502
Mark Reilly may have said something
that got your mom... your mom upset,

1353
01:29:01,586 --> 01:29:03,171
which got William upset.

1354
01:29:03,254 --> 01:29:06,090
And William went to the shop
with Kevin Myers.

1355
01:29:06,174 --> 01:29:08,509
William was speaking to
Thomas Datre.

1356
01:29:08,593 --> 01:29:10,970
Coincidentally, he's in the news
now. Have you seen it?

1357
01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:11,888
[Yance] I have.

1358
01:29:11,971 --> 01:29:13,639
[Hughes]
William was talking to Datre.

1359
01:29:13,723 --> 01:29:16,059
He was very angry
because he'd upset his mother.

1360
01:29:16,142 --> 01:29:17,894
He was described as "shaking
with anger."

1361
01:29:17,977 --> 01:29:20,313
Wanted to know
who disrespected his mother.

1362
01:29:20,396 --> 01:29:23,649
He picked up a car door and was
about to throw it, from a Corvette.

1363
01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:25,686
The girl who owned the
Corvette was there

1364
01:29:25,691 --> 01:29:27,487
and stepped in. He put
the door down.

1365
01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:30,448
At that time William picked up a
vacuum, put it over his head.

1366
01:29:30,531 --> 01:29:33,201
The water kind of,
like, fell out onto him,

1367
01:29:33,284 --> 01:29:35,828
and he threw the vacuum
and broke it.

1368
01:29:35,912 --> 01:29:39,040
He picked up a hammer, and began...
He came at Mark Reilly.

1369
01:29:39,123 --> 01:29:40,708
I guess he held him responsible,

1370
01:29:40,792 --> 01:29:43,961
because he may have been the one
who disrespected your mom.

1371
01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:47,131
He never swung it at him, never hit
him, he never threatened him.

1372
01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:49,342
-But he had the hammer in his hand.
-Right.

1373
01:29:49,425 --> 01:29:50,551
Mark was petrified.

1374
01:29:50,635 --> 01:29:53,763
But other members there,
they actually were kind of, like...

1375
01:29:54,305 --> 01:29:55,139
laughing at him.

1376
01:29:55,223 --> 01:29:57,308
And they were calling him
a little girl.

1377
01:29:57,313 --> 01:29:59,227
I mean, he was obviously
frightened.

1378
01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:01,813
Your brother was a big guy,
and he was intimidated.

1379
01:30:02,522 --> 01:30:04,357
After that, William went home,

1380
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,651
and your mom noticed
that he was soaking wet.

1381
01:30:06,734 --> 01:30:08,986
Asked what happened, and he said

1382
01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:11,614
that he was... he was wet
with sweat from the gym.

1383
01:30:12,281 --> 01:30:14,408
And I followed up on that.
I went to the gym.

1384
01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:16,786
But your brother had not been
at the gym that day.

1385
01:30:17,370 --> 01:30:21,582
I was there,
the night of the... Corvette incident.

1386
01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:26,170
You know, William kept saying,
"What do I have to do?

1387
01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:30,508
Why isn't my car being fixed?
You got time to work on everything else."

1388
01:30:30,591 --> 01:30:33,511
And he's... kind of like this.
And then he saw the Corvette.

1389
01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:37,306
I was like, "No, not the Corvette!"
You know, kind of like that, you know.

1390
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:38,724
And,

1391
01:30:39,433 --> 01:30:40,977
he never damaged the car.

1392
01:30:41,519 --> 01:30:45,231
And it wasn't a situation.
Because there were guys laughing.

1393
01:30:45,314 --> 01:30:48,985
There were people, like... I don't want
to use the word "egging him on,"

1394
01:30:49,068 --> 01:30:50,278
but clowning with him.

1395
01:30:50,361 --> 01:30:53,990
We were laughing, and clowning, and...

1396
01:30:54,532 --> 01:30:58,119
I'd say there were ten to 15 people there.
Scared of what?

1397
01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:00,619
[Hughes] The vehicle was
subsequently

1398
01:31:00,624 --> 01:31:02,623
released to your... to
your mom, I guess.

1399
01:31:02,707 --> 01:31:04,555
There was something
about somebody

1400
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,544
from the shop following
the car home,

1401
01:31:07,086 --> 01:31:10,631
and as a result of that,
on April 7th,

1402
01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:13,676
Kevin Myers, again with William,
returned to Super Stang.

1403
01:31:13,759 --> 01:31:16,137
And William was yelling
at Tom Datre,

1404
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:19,557
and ultimately sees Mark,
and goes after Mark.

1405
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,895
Mark retreated into the paint room,
where he grabbed a rifle.

1406
01:31:24,979 --> 01:31:27,398
Your brother walked into the paint
room and approached,

1407
01:31:27,481 --> 01:31:29,901
made a comment about,
"What are you gonna do with that?".

1408
01:31:29,984 --> 01:31:31,068
He came at him.

1409
01:31:31,152 --> 01:31:33,779
And Mark fired one shot.
Hit him in the chest.

1410
01:31:34,322 --> 01:31:35,489
Right.

1411
01:31:36,365 --> 01:31:39,452
There was no stone left unturned in
this, I can tell you that.

1412
01:31:39,535 --> 01:31:41,954
It's just... an unfortunate thing.

1413
01:31:42,038 --> 01:31:45,041
I mean, I certainly put every effort
into this being, you know,

1414
01:31:45,124 --> 01:31:48,169
into this being covered
100 percent, 110 percent.

1415
01:31:55,051 --> 01:31:57,803
[Yance, reading] "April 1st, 1992.

1416
01:31:58,346 --> 01:32:00,890
Tomorrow, I have to go to court
in downtown Brooklyn,

1417
01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:03,351
for my first day of testimony
in the Breen case.

1418
01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:06,771
Mr. Boyar is expecting me
by ten o'clock.

1419
01:32:07,563 --> 01:32:10,650
I need to pick up my suit from the
dry cleaners before they close."

1420
01:32:11,567 --> 01:32:16,155
This is where William was
on April 2nd: Kings County Court.

1421
01:32:16,906 --> 01:32:19,325
This is where William was, April 3rd:

1422
01:32:19,408 --> 01:32:21,744
testifying for the prosecution.

1423
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:25,039
This is where William was
on Monday, April 6th.

1424
01:32:25,748 --> 01:32:30,419
This is where William was
on Tuesday, April 7th.

1425
01:32:31,087 --> 01:32:34,632
Kings County Court,
testifying for the prosecution.

1426
01:32:36,842 --> 01:32:38,675
[Hughes] The vehicle was
subsequently

1427
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,680
released to your... to
your mom, I guess.

1428
01:32:40,763 --> 01:32:42,470
There was something
about somebody

1429
01:32:42,475 --> 01:32:44,308
from the shop following
the car home,

1430
01:32:44,392 --> 01:32:46,477
and... as a result of that,

1431
01:32:47,019 --> 01:32:50,231
on April 7th,
William returned to Super Stang.

1432
01:32:50,314 --> 01:32:53,359
And I think it was just, you know...

1433
01:32:53,442 --> 01:32:56,529
your brother was caught up
in what had happened to your mom.

1434
01:32:57,780 --> 01:32:59,365
[Kevin] I get out. Ford gets out.

1435
01:32:59,448 --> 01:33:01,236
I remember him going
into the yard and

1436
01:33:01,241 --> 01:33:02,994
somebody coming out of
the shop door,

1437
01:33:03,077 --> 01:33:04,662
and meeting him in the yard.

1438
01:33:04,745 --> 01:33:07,581
Words started getting exchanged,
and I said, "Oh, here we go."

1439
01:33:08,124 --> 01:33:11,669
William was arguing outside, in the yard,

1440
01:33:11,752 --> 01:33:14,630
with someone other than the kid
who shot him at the time?

1441
01:33:14,714 --> 01:33:16,173
-Correct.
-[Yance] OK.

1442
01:33:16,257 --> 01:33:20,386
So, the person he was arguing with
was Tom Datre, Jr.

1443
01:33:20,469 --> 01:33:22,847
-He was sort of the owner of the shop?
-Right.

1444
01:33:23,431 --> 01:33:26,851
And that the person who was
in the back, with the rifle...

1445
01:33:27,435 --> 01:33:29,186
Excuse me. His name was Mark Reilly.

1446
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:31,022
He was an employee of the shop.

1447
01:33:31,647 --> 01:33:32,481
Right.

1448
01:33:33,274 --> 01:33:37,778
I read that Datre Jr. had been,
two years before that...

1449
01:33:38,696 --> 01:33:41,365
arrested for, essentially,

1450
01:33:41,449 --> 01:33:44,660
running a chop-shop out of the garage
at his parents' house.

1451
01:33:45,411 --> 01:33:47,496
He recruited kids,

1452
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:50,541
and paid them to steal cars.

1453
01:33:50,624 --> 01:33:54,462
And then he chopped up the cars,
and sold... sold off the pieces.

1454
01:33:56,964 --> 01:33:58,799
What I'm trying to figure out is...

1455
01:34:00,593 --> 01:34:03,095
what happened, if anything?

1456
01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:08,476
What did William say,
if anything, to Tom Datre Jr.,

1457
01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:11,896
when they were in the yard,
outside of the garage?

1458
01:34:12,938 --> 01:34:15,191
[Kevin] You know,
he didn't make any threats.

1459
01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:17,360
He didn't say, "I'm gonna beat you up."

1460
01:34:17,443 --> 01:34:20,696
He says, "I got accepted to Police Academy
and Corrections Academy.

1461
01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:23,449
When I become either one,
I am telling you,

1462
01:34:23,532 --> 01:34:25,993
I'm going to get this place shut down."

1463
01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:30,122
Ford was serious about what he was saying,

1464
01:34:30,206 --> 01:34:33,793
but he wasn't doing anything...
anything that night,

1465
01:34:34,627 --> 01:34:38,297
to provoke a fight, or to get shot.

1466
01:34:38,381 --> 01:34:42,218
It was a conversation.
"I'm gonna do this, once I become a cop."

1467
01:34:42,301 --> 01:34:46,389
Then we started to walk away.
That's when Mark walked out.

1468
01:34:46,931 --> 01:34:49,975
He didn't look surprised.
He didn't look panicked.

1469
01:34:50,601 --> 01:34:53,854
He just glanced and made a U-turn,
and went back into the garage.

1470
01:34:54,647 --> 01:34:57,483
That's when William looked at me
and he just kind of went,

1471
01:34:58,025 --> 01:35:00,111
"That's the guy
that cursed out my mother."

1472
01:35:00,194 --> 01:35:01,195
I was like...

1473
01:35:02,321 --> 01:35:05,950
William turned. He didn't say anything.
He just turned and he walked.

1474
01:35:06,033 --> 01:35:08,494
And he got to the doorway. He made a left.

1475
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,038
So then, we heard a pop.

1476
01:35:12,289 --> 01:35:17,545
There was no:
"Stop! I'll shoot you! I'm scared!"

1477
01:35:18,087 --> 01:35:19,839
No scuffle, no fight.

1478
01:35:19,922 --> 01:35:22,133
William turned and was shot.

1479
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:29,890
I don't understand the self-defense,
because there were options.

1480
01:35:29,974 --> 01:35:31,845
There had to be a back
door to the place.

1481
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:33,227
He could have went
that way.

1482
01:35:33,769 --> 01:35:36,272
I'm sure some door had a
lock behind it.

1483
01:35:36,355 --> 01:35:38,732
Even when they say,
"This happened a month ago,"

1484
01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:40,794
or "He was afraid," or
this and that...

1485
01:35:40,799 --> 01:35:42,653
OK, so a month ago, you
were afraid.

1486
01:35:43,195 --> 01:35:45,239
If that even was the
truth that night.

1487
01:35:46,907 --> 01:35:48,784
And after leaving...

1488
01:35:50,453 --> 01:35:51,996
the Grand Jury,

1489
01:35:53,747 --> 01:35:57,168
I kind of got in the car,
and I kind of knew... what they were at.

1490
01:35:57,251 --> 01:35:59,211
I didn't know if it would work,

1491
01:35:59,295 --> 01:36:02,256
but I strongly felt

1492
01:36:02,339 --> 01:36:07,261
that everything was being made
to present a case of...

1493
01:36:07,845 --> 01:36:11,265
"Mark was scared.
He did what he did because he was scared."

1494
01:36:12,933 --> 01:36:15,436
[Yance, reading]
"Gunshot wound of the right chest.

1495
01:36:15,519 --> 01:36:18,981
Hemorrhagic wound track,
perforating right chest wall,

1496
01:36:19,064 --> 01:36:24,028
mediastinum, heart, left lung,
and left chest wall.

1497
01:36:24,653 --> 01:36:28,908
Wound path: front to back,
right to left and downward.

1498
01:36:29,492 --> 01:36:32,953
Deformed, non-jacketed,
small caliber bullet recovered.

1499
01:36:33,496 --> 01:36:36,707
There is no evidence of gunpowder
stippling or soot deposition

1500
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:38,542
on the skin around the wound."

1501
01:36:39,418 --> 01:36:42,046
There is no evidence
of close range firing.

1502
01:36:43,631 --> 01:36:47,301
How do you measure
the distance of reasonable fear?

1503
01:36:52,806 --> 01:36:54,850
[Yance] What are the
contours of fear?

1504
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,189
What do your eyes tell you?

1505
01:37:00,814 --> 01:37:04,235
[soft, eerie music]

1506
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,032
[Yance] Do you see my brother?

1507
01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:19,833
[music swells]

1508
01:37:19,917 --> 01:37:22,419
[Yance] Dredge the river
and you will find him.

1509
01:37:24,838 --> 01:37:27,174
Or someone who could have been him.

1510
01:37:34,848 --> 01:37:36,892
So you tell me,

1511
01:37:37,434 --> 01:37:40,104
whose fear is reasonable?

1512
01:37:44,817 --> 01:37:47,903
[music fades]

1513
01:37:50,281 --> 01:37:51,782
[Yance, reading] "The body is cold,

1514
01:37:51,865 --> 01:37:55,494
and rigor is present and fixed to
an equal degree in all extremities.

1515
01:37:56,370 --> 01:37:58,747
There is an earring hole
in the left earlobe.

1516
01:37:59,456 --> 01:38:02,251
No tattoos or needle tracks
are observed.

1517
01:38:02,793 --> 01:38:05,379
The irides are brown,
the cornea are cloudy,

1518
01:38:05,462 --> 01:38:07,715
the conjunctivae are unremarkable.

1519
01:38:08,674 --> 01:38:10,593
The liver is unremarkable.

1520
01:38:11,552 --> 01:38:13,637
The kidneys are unremarkable.

1521
01:38:15,097 --> 01:38:16,473
The heart...

1522
01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,975
is unremarkable."

1523
01:38:25,649 --> 01:38:31,363
I looked at... the Grand Jury.

1524
01:38:32,197 --> 01:38:34,408
I looked around.

1525
01:38:34,491 --> 01:38:37,244
I saw who was paying attention.

1526
01:38:38,037 --> 01:38:38,912
OK?

1527
01:38:38,996 --> 01:38:43,000
How could you come to a viable decision,

1528
01:38:43,083 --> 01:38:45,210
if you're reading a magazine,

1529
01:38:45,294 --> 01:38:47,463
if you're doing a crossword puzzle,

1530
01:38:47,546 --> 01:38:49,673
if you're talking with somebody?

1531
01:38:50,215 --> 01:38:53,093
I think serving on a jury,

1532
01:38:53,177 --> 01:38:55,638
and particularly a Grand Jury,

1533
01:38:55,721 --> 01:38:59,558
is one of the greatest... privileges

1534
01:38:59,642 --> 01:39:02,519
of citizenship in this country.

1535
01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:07,149
And you shouldn't take it that way,

1536
01:39:07,691 --> 01:39:10,861
based on race, creed or color.

1537
01:39:11,403 --> 01:39:16,158
You should judge the content
of the evidence presented.

1538
01:39:16,867 --> 01:39:20,996
My feelings were
that they just didn't give a damn.

1539
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:25,542
And if I die today,
tomorrow or the next day,

1540
01:39:25,626 --> 01:39:29,088
I will die believing
that they didn't care,

1541
01:39:29,171 --> 01:39:33,300
because my son was a young man of color.

1542
01:39:33,384 --> 01:39:36,762
I will always believe that. Always.

1543
01:39:36,845 --> 01:39:38,514
Until the day I die.

1544
01:39:42,685 --> 01:39:44,395
[bird chirps]

1545
01:39:49,942 --> 01:39:54,113
[Yance] It was election day and...
four o'clock in the morning,

1546
01:39:54,863 --> 01:39:56,365
the phone rings.

1547
01:39:56,448 --> 01:40:00,953
I knew because of the time
that something was wrong.

1548
01:40:05,416 --> 01:40:09,128
[breathing through tube]

1549
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,008
[machine beeping]

1550
01:40:23,726 --> 01:40:27,146
[breathing continues]

1551
01:40:43,203 --> 01:40:46,790
[Yance] And there was this...
one day,

1552
01:40:47,332 --> 01:40:49,418
before she was in a coma,

1553
01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:55,299
where I thought that she was trying
to pull herself up in bed.

1554
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:59,052
And I had given her my right hand,

1555
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:01,764
to, you know...

1556
01:41:02,806 --> 01:41:06,810
I had offered my right hand,
for her to grasp with her right hand.

1557
01:41:07,519 --> 01:41:10,439
And I thought she was trying
to pull herself up.

1558
01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:13,609
And really she was trying
to pull me toward her.

1559
01:41:14,777 --> 01:41:16,111
And...

1560
01:41:16,987 --> 01:41:19,698
it took me a good five minutes
to realize that...

1561
01:41:20,365 --> 01:41:23,368
I was trying to make my mother
more comfortable in bed,

1562
01:41:23,452 --> 01:41:25,954
and what she wanted was for me to hug her.

1563
01:41:40,427 --> 01:41:44,723
[soft, eerie music]

1564
01:42:07,955 --> 01:42:11,124
[music swells]

1565
01:42:22,761 --> 01:42:26,557
[music builds further]

1566
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,239
[Yance] You stumble out of the
garage and into the yard,

1567
01:42:42,781 --> 01:42:44,074
where you fall.

1568
01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:50,998
You lie on the ground,
hole in your chest,

1569
01:42:51,540 --> 01:42:53,000
another in your lung.

1570
01:42:56,545 --> 01:43:00,549
You feel the pain and know you
will never see your sisters again.

1571
01:43:01,091 --> 01:43:03,635
Your mother. Your father.

1572
01:43:05,762 --> 01:43:08,181
You wonder how
your family will survive this.

1573
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,477
You realize
that you will not survive this.

1574
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:19,192
You realize you starved yourself
for 32 days, for nothing.

1575
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,573
You lie on the ground,
bullet through your heart.

1576
01:43:25,616 --> 01:43:28,952
You can't speak, and no
one speaks to you.

1577
01:43:30,704 --> 01:43:33,014
You do not know your death
may, in fact,

1578
01:43:33,019 --> 01:43:35,042
be the actual death
of our family.

1579
01:43:36,460 --> 01:43:39,671
You do not know
that we are silent in our grief,

1580
01:43:39,755 --> 01:43:41,381
even with one another.

1581
01:43:43,175 --> 01:43:45,928
You do not know your killer will say
he had to shoot you.

1582
01:43:47,763 --> 01:43:51,183
You do not know your killer
will make you out to be a monster.

1583
01:43:52,559 --> 01:43:54,770
Mark Reilly will make you out
to be a monster,

1584
01:43:54,853 --> 01:43:56,438
and people will believe him.

1585
01:43:58,231 --> 01:44:00,651
You do not realize
that there will be no trial.

1586
01:44:02,152 --> 01:44:05,155
You don't know
that 23 white people will decide

1587
01:44:05,238 --> 01:44:07,616
no crime has even been committed.

1588
01:44:09,534 --> 01:44:12,120
You realize there may be no Heaven.

1589
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:15,749
There may only be the ground.

1590
01:44:23,465 --> 01:44:26,551
[distant city noise]

1591
01:45:07,426 --> 01:45:10,053
[Ray Charles: "Let the Good Times Roll"]

1592
01:45:10,846 --> 01:45:12,389
Let's have some fun

1593
01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:16,935
You only live but once
And when you're dead, you're done

1594
01:45:17,019 --> 01:45:19,271
 So let the good times roll

1595
01:45:21,314 --> 01:45:23,817
 I said, let the good times roll

1596
01:45:26,445 --> 01:45:29,031
 I don't care if you're young or old

1597
01:45:29,114 --> 01:45:32,451
 You ought to get together
Let the good times roll

1598
01:45:35,996 --> 01:45:39,791
 Don't sit there mumbling
Talking trash

1599
01:45:40,751 --> 01:45:44,379
If you want to have a ball You've
got to go out and spend some cash

1600
01:45:44,463 --> 01:45:47,424
 And let the good times roll, now

1601
01:45:48,717 --> 01:45:50,761
 I'm talking about the good times

1602
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:56,266
 Well, it makes no difference
Whether you're young or old

1603
01:45:56,349 --> 01:46:00,062
 All you've got to do is get together
Let the good times roll

1604
01:46:03,231 --> 01:46:06,902
[brass solo]

1605
01:46:31,051 --> 01:46:34,930
 Hey, you all, tell everybody
Ray Charles is in town

1606
01:46:35,889 --> 01:46:39,810
 I got a dollar and a quarter
And I'm just ringing the clock

1607
01:46:40,352 --> 01:46:44,564
But don't let no female
play me cheap

1608
01:46:44,648 --> 01:46:49,528
 I've got 50 cents more
Than I'm gonna keep

1609
01:46:49,611 --> 01:46:51,947
 So let the good times roll

1610
01:46:54,116 --> 01:46:57,828
 I tell you all I'm gonna let
The good times roll now

1611
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:02,082
Well, it don't make no difference
If you're young or old

1612
01:47:02,165 --> 01:47:05,669
All you've got to do is get together
Let the good times roll

1613
01:47:08,421 --> 01:47:12,968
Yeah, no matter whether
Rainy weather

1614
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:17,347
If you want to have a ball
You got to get yourself together

1615
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:20,725
Oh, get yourself under control

1616
01:47:22,269 --> 01:47:24,771
 Let the good times roll

1616
01:47:25,305 --> 01:47:31,158