1 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:31,365 ...with a flashlight. 2 00:00:31,907 --> 00:00:34,076 You can see that she's on the way to her house. 3 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,328 There's also gonna be a retired officer. 4 00:00:36,411 --> 00:00:38,830 Both have a weapon at her location. A 9mm. 5 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:41,166 Twenty-five, uh... 6 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:43,335 Got hit by a teenage daughter. 7 00:00:44,044 --> 00:00:46,505 The daughter is gonna be a white female. 8 00:00:47,506 --> 00:00:48,382 The daughter... 9 00:00:48,465 --> 00:00:49,800 Oh, man... 10 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:57,015 Everyday thing. 11 00:00:57,516 --> 00:00:59,560 I've been working here for 12 years now. 12 00:01:03,105 --> 00:01:04,731 The best thing about working this job... 13 00:01:05,482 --> 00:01:07,234 is being able to wear shorts. 14 00:01:09,152 --> 00:01:11,613 Let's go to work, do a briefing. 15 00:01:11,697 --> 00:01:13,949 Only schedule change is, uh... 16 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:17,661 Steve Smith's gonna take five hours of vacation today. 17 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:19,705 This is meal number... 18 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:21,790 three. 19 00:01:21,874 --> 00:01:24,001 That's chicken and baked potato. 20 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:29,173 And so I grabbed my son by the arm and said "go on back inside." 21 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:32,801 Well, she lost it, and got a hold of me. 22 00:01:37,973 --> 00:01:40,309 Good ol' chicken. 23 00:01:44,271 --> 00:01:45,271 Damn. 24 00:01:46,231 --> 00:01:48,334 Claims the daughter has assaulted her 25 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:49,943 in the stomach area with a fist. 26 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:51,546 At this time, the daughter is in the bedroom, 27 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:54,865 does not have any vehicle, might attempt to leave location. 28 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:57,910 What seems to be the problem here? 29 00:01:57,993 --> 00:01:59,161 Where's Mom? 30 00:01:59,995 --> 00:02:02,355 She hit her on her foot and it's swollen. 31 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:06,627 Well, she'll be lucky if she just got hit on the foot. 32 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:09,713 I wish I would've just got hit on the foot when I was a kid. 33 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:11,882 I got hit all over. 34 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:15,093 She got hit all over her legs and her arms. 35 00:02:15,177 --> 00:02:17,262 If I hit my mom back, I'd be dead. 36 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:21,005 - Why are you crying? - I don't know. 37 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:23,018 Arrested. 38 00:02:25,229 --> 00:02:26,980 I've been bodybuilding for... 39 00:02:28,065 --> 00:02:29,066 ten years. 40 00:02:30,317 --> 00:02:32,027 And I've been working here for 12. 41 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:37,950 And the famous question is... 42 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:40,494 "Why do you still work here... 43 00:02:40,577 --> 00:02:42,746 and you're Mr. Olympia, two-time Mr. Olympia?" 44 00:02:44,081 --> 00:02:46,124 My answer to that question is... 45 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,252 "Because I love it." 46 00:04:53,418 --> 00:04:57,673 Doctor said he's gonna go in and perform a surgery 47 00:04:57,756 --> 00:05:00,092 in which he's gonna take out the screws, 48 00:05:00,175 --> 00:05:02,195 'cause all they're doing now is just causing me pain, 49 00:05:02,219 --> 00:05:04,805 and when I say pain, it's a lot of pain. 50 00:05:04,888 --> 00:05:08,308 It's, like, 24/7. It never stops. 51 00:05:10,936 --> 00:05:12,372 After a while, you've been in pain so much 52 00:05:12,396 --> 00:05:13,272 you kind of get used to it, 53 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:15,858 and you just kind of learn to block it out. 54 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:21,756 I feel bad for people who didn't get to witness 55 00:05:21,780 --> 00:05:23,824 what Ronnie was in his prime. 56 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,535 Videos and pictures don't do no justice. 57 00:05:27,369 --> 00:05:29,246 To witness it, to, you know, 58 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,956 feel the electricity in the air, 59 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:33,917 just to gaze your eyes on that person. 60 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:39,006 Late '90s, you know, the guys that were there were so good. 61 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:40,674 You had the Kevin Levrones, 62 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:42,676 you had the Flex Wheeler, 63 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:44,553 Shawn Ray. 64 00:05:44,636 --> 00:05:45,697 I mean, if you change the judging panel, 65 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:47,448 Kevin Levrone could have a Mr. Olympia title. 66 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:48,472 Same could Flex. 67 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:50,225 What I didn't have, Flex Wheeler had. 68 00:05:50,309 --> 00:05:52,436 What Flex Wheeler didn't have, Shawn Ray had. 69 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,022 You know, it ran deep. You know, you had Chris Cormier. 70 00:05:55,105 --> 00:05:56,857 Everyone was so good, you know? 71 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:59,151 Everyone was hungry. We were all aggressive, 72 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:01,195 especially, like, on stage. 73 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:04,323 You don't find someone stepping in front of someone 74 00:06:04,406 --> 00:06:06,286 without getting an elbow or something like that. 75 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:09,161 You know, it was just... it was pretty aggressive. 76 00:06:09,244 --> 00:06:11,288 There was no room for anybody else to get in. 77 00:06:11,914 --> 00:06:15,125 You know? So you had to be just another crazy level. 78 00:06:15,209 --> 00:06:18,295 And you need to be able to see those things 79 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:20,631 in order to be able to appreciate what the hell happened 80 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:23,550 when Ronnie Coleman pulled out of the backdrop and just... 81 00:06:23,634 --> 00:06:25,093 Just wasn't human... 82 00:06:25,177 --> 00:06:30,098 To just, naturally, to even perceive what he looked like at his... 83 00:06:30,182 --> 00:06:32,434 at his peak, and at his best. 84 00:06:32,518 --> 00:06:34,686 This guy, Ronnie Coleman, looked like an alien. 85 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:37,147 There was nobody that you could compare that to. 86 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:38,690 Nobody had that. 87 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:43,445 Meat was just hanging off of his back, and it was just traps... 88 00:06:43,529 --> 00:06:46,657 ...and lats that were forever long. 89 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,868 Pec line that was just, you know, these muscle attachments 90 00:06:49,952 --> 00:06:52,204 that would go on forever, seemingly. 91 00:06:52,287 --> 00:06:55,040 Ronnie Coleman had things on his body that we hadn't seen 92 00:06:55,123 --> 00:06:57,459 on another Mr. Olympia prior to him, 93 00:06:57,543 --> 00:07:00,023 and you probably won't see it on another Mr. Olympia after him. 94 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:01,421 Ronnie just had it all, man. 95 00:07:01,505 --> 00:07:03,665 He was strong, he was big, he was bigger than everyone, 96 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:05,717 he was more conditioned than everyone... 97 00:07:05,801 --> 00:07:07,845 And he just didn't give a shit. 98 00:07:07,928 --> 00:07:11,557 Like, he stood up there on that stage, and just was like, "I'm here. 99 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:15,060 Give me my Sandow, and I'm leaving with it." 100 00:07:15,143 --> 00:07:17,604 That was it. You had to admire that. 101 00:07:17,688 --> 00:07:18,772 And he was humble about it. 102 00:07:18,856 --> 00:07:20,774 He wasn't cocky, he wasn't arrogant. 103 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,069 He knew it was his, and he came and took it. 104 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:47,885 All right, so I want to ask you about your childhood. 105 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:49,654 Can you tell me about your family growing up? 106 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:51,489 - I know you were born in Louisiana, right? - Mm-hmm. 107 00:07:51,513 --> 00:07:53,353 Can you tell me a little about your upbringing? 108 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:57,978 First, it was just me and my brother, 109 00:07:58,061 --> 00:07:59,730 and, uh, my mom... 110 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,275 She worked at the plant. 111 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:05,819 It was a clothing manufacturing plant. 112 00:08:06,904 --> 00:08:08,530 I can remember when I was young, 113 00:08:08,614 --> 00:08:12,451 my mom, she was real good at making clothes, too, 114 00:08:12,534 --> 00:08:14,203 so she made a lot of our clothes, 115 00:08:14,286 --> 00:08:17,998 and a lot of our clothes she got from that manufacturing plant. 116 00:08:18,624 --> 00:08:19,708 On her second marriage, 117 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:22,836 I remember the guy she was married to this time, you know, uh... 118 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,130 He used to take me hunting all the time. 119 00:08:25,214 --> 00:08:28,342 We used to hunt, like, deer, and rabbit, and squirrel, 120 00:08:28,425 --> 00:08:30,636 all kind of stuff, and, yeah, that was a lot of fun, 121 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:34,056 but I think the most fun I ever had was fishing. 122 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:38,644 He taught me how to fish, and we'd go fishing all the time. 123 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:42,272 After a while, fishing kind of developed into a hobby. 124 00:08:42,773 --> 00:08:46,151 I got to the point where I was just going, like, every single day. 125 00:08:47,319 --> 00:08:51,782 I had a bike that I would just ride right down to the local bayou 126 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:53,825 and just fish all the time, 127 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:56,286 so that kind of developed into a small hobby. 128 00:08:56,370 --> 00:08:58,747 I always had some kind of way of making money. 129 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:02,292 That's what I remember most about my childhood. 130 00:09:02,376 --> 00:09:05,629 Man, I had to be, like, 12 years old, 13 years old, 131 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:06,755 somewhere in there. 132 00:09:06,839 --> 00:09:10,050 I started working at this convenience store... 133 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:14,638 and I would go up there and work, 134 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,431 make probably like a dollar a day. 135 00:09:16,515 --> 00:09:18,350 Back then, that was a lot of money. 136 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:22,020 And then I had another little hustle... 137 00:09:22,104 --> 00:09:24,064 where I used to go, and, uh... 138 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:26,942 I had a lawnmower. I used to knock on people's doors, and, you know, 139 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:31,029 ask who needed their yard mowed, so I made money that way. 140 00:09:31,113 --> 00:09:32,781 When I was in high school, 141 00:09:32,865 --> 00:09:35,909 I was always making the honor roll every year 142 00:09:35,993 --> 00:09:37,035 and every semester. 143 00:09:37,119 --> 00:09:39,162 I played football, 144 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:40,455 I was on the track team, 145 00:09:40,539 --> 00:09:42,207 and I was on the powerlifting team. 146 00:09:42,291 --> 00:09:43,667 I used to do the field events, 147 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:46,837 the shot put and discus, javelin, stuff like that. 148 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:49,298 I always did pretty good in all those events. 149 00:09:49,381 --> 00:09:53,719 I always got, you know, first or second in just about all the meets we went to. 150 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:32,966 This is my trophy case. 151 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:35,427 I don't know if you saw it when we first came in. 152 00:10:35,511 --> 00:10:36,779 I noticed it when I walked in. 153 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:38,972 Yeah, that's the Arnold Classic trophy right there. 154 00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:40,891 I won that "Most Muscular" thing, too. 155 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:44,686 Mm-hmm, I won two... I won that twice. I got two of those. 156 00:10:45,854 --> 00:10:48,565 The other one is somewhere in there. 157 00:10:48,649 --> 00:10:50,484 Yeah, all the Sandows are up there. 158 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:52,486 If you had to pick the most special year. 159 00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:54,530 - The first one, easy. - First one? 160 00:10:54,613 --> 00:10:56,740 Yeah, 'cause Flex was supposed to win that. 161 00:10:56,823 --> 00:11:00,285 Like I said, I got ninth the year before. 162 00:11:01,453 --> 00:11:05,541 So I was nowhere, you know, in the running for that. 163 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,920 So I was like, "If I can finally make the top five, 164 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:11,880 I'll be one happy camper." 165 00:11:11,964 --> 00:11:14,216 I'd never made the top five in the Olympia. 166 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:17,278 - Never made... - You went from ninth to the first. 167 00:11:17,302 --> 00:11:18,470 Ninth to first, yeah. 168 00:11:27,354 --> 00:11:29,690 I started powerlifting when I was in high school. 169 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:31,167 You know, we traveled all over the state, 170 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,860 did meets and stuff. 171 00:11:32,943 --> 00:11:34,838 - And I wasn't that good, you know. - Wasn't that good? 172 00:11:34,862 --> 00:11:35,862 No. 173 00:11:36,697 --> 00:11:38,198 No, I wasn't good at all. 174 00:11:38,282 --> 00:11:39,741 But, you know, I was... 175 00:11:40,576 --> 00:11:41,743 Those guys was... 176 00:11:41,827 --> 00:11:42,827 they were strong. 177 00:11:43,495 --> 00:11:46,623 They were squatting 500 and 600 pounds in high school, yeah. 178 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:48,476 I remember one time I saw this little bitty guy, 179 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:49,918 he was about this tall. 180 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:53,755 He was getting on the 500, I'm like, "No way he gonna squat that." 181 00:11:55,132 --> 00:11:57,217 Man, he got on there and squatted like it wasn't... 182 00:11:57,301 --> 00:11:58,719 like it was like 200 pounds. 183 00:11:58,802 --> 00:11:59,887 He went down. 184 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:03,974 I'm like, "That did not happen. I did not just see that." 185 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:06,977 He... 186 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:10,355 He had to be about 15, 16 years old, something like that. 187 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:13,150 And he was short. 188 00:12:14,276 --> 00:12:15,819 Blew my mind. 189 00:12:15,903 --> 00:12:19,615 I can still see it today. 190 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:23,660 Back then, I could only do, like, 400, you know? 191 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,996 Three, four-hundred. Three-fifty, four-hundred 192 00:12:27,331 --> 00:12:29,791 It took me a long time to squat 800 pounds. 193 00:12:29,875 --> 00:12:35,172 I used to squat, I mean... 700, you know, and 750, like... 194 00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:38,592 when I was in my early thirties. 195 00:12:39,176 --> 00:12:41,803 But when I got to almost 40 is when I got to 800. 196 00:12:41,887 --> 00:12:45,015 It takes time, I mean, no matter what you do... 197 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:47,267 and I was working out hard, too, you know? 198 00:12:47,351 --> 00:12:49,770 - Consistently. - Consistently. 199 00:12:49,853 --> 00:12:50,771 Yeah, so no matter... 200 00:12:50,854 --> 00:12:54,274 You can't speed up the genetics, you know, process. 201 00:12:54,358 --> 00:12:55,358 It takes time. 202 00:13:17,089 --> 00:13:19,466 Ronnie Coleman is a story that lore is made of. 203 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:21,861 This is a guy that lifted weights that nobody else could lift. 204 00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:24,531 'Cause even Arnold Schwarzenegger in Pumping Iron with Lou Ferrigno, 205 00:13:24,555 --> 00:13:27,307 it looked like they were throwing around a lot of weight in the '70s. 206 00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:29,309 Like, wow, you know? Here's Lou Ferrigno saying, 207 00:13:29,393 --> 00:13:30,602 "Put on another ten pounds." 208 00:13:30,686 --> 00:13:33,188 But, I mean, Ronnie Coleman doesn't even warm up 209 00:13:33,272 --> 00:13:34,874 with the weights that Lou Ferrigno was lifting, 210 00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:36,733 and he's 6'5", 280 pounds. 211 00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:39,611 Ronnie was lifting weights that were at the far end 212 00:13:39,695 --> 00:13:41,029 of the rack that were dusty, 213 00:13:41,113 --> 00:13:44,366 things that nobody would even fathom picking up, 214 00:13:44,449 --> 00:13:46,285 and he was doing it with relative ease, 215 00:13:46,368 --> 00:13:47,536 with repetitions. 216 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:49,204 I wanted to work out with Ronnie. 217 00:13:49,288 --> 00:13:53,542 I wanted to see how intense the champion's work ethic was. 218 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:56,295 But, yeah, you felt like you'd been in a physical fight 219 00:13:56,795 --> 00:13:58,005 after that workout. 220 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:11,685 When I went to the gym, you know, I'd lift hard, 221 00:14:11,768 --> 00:14:13,103 I'd lift heavy. 222 00:14:13,187 --> 00:14:16,190 I'd get in there, and I wouldn't stay in the gym no longer than an hour, 223 00:14:16,273 --> 00:14:18,984 and the whole time I was there, you know, 224 00:14:19,067 --> 00:14:21,528 I was focused, and I think, for the most part, 225 00:14:21,612 --> 00:14:24,281 I worked a lot of those guys, you know? 226 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:27,034 Like I say, I trained six days a week. 227 00:14:27,117 --> 00:14:28,785 You know, I only took one day off. 228 00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:30,579 I trained Monday through Saturday. 229 00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:33,332 You know, working full-time for the police department, 230 00:14:33,415 --> 00:14:35,542 I didn't have enough time to, you know, like, 231 00:14:35,626 --> 00:14:37,961 break my training up, and train a body part here 232 00:14:38,045 --> 00:14:40,047 and train a body part there, and stuff like that 233 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:42,925 like some of the guys would do that didn't have jobs. 234 00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:46,178 So I'd get all my training in in one session. 235 00:14:46,261 --> 00:14:47,655 If you can't go in a gym and train like Ronnie Coleman, 236 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,399 you don't have a chance of looking like him. 237 00:14:49,473 --> 00:14:51,600 So, without having the fear of the weights, 238 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:53,703 and you see this guy throwing this kind of weight around, 239 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,687 you couldn't help but press rewind, 240 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:57,248 and watch it again and again and again. 241 00:14:57,272 --> 00:14:59,542 Suddenly, you're not even caring that he's a freak of nature 242 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,193 in terms of a bodybuilder, 243 00:15:01,276 --> 00:15:03,171 you're just looking at this freak lift this weight. 244 00:15:03,195 --> 00:15:05,197 You know, his mindset is just at another level. 245 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,408 The things he'd do in videos with that amount of weight, 246 00:15:08,492 --> 00:15:09,660 it's not normal strength. 247 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,543 It's a gift from God, number one, that he has. 248 00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:12,788 He's gifted with genetics. 249 00:15:12,871 --> 00:15:15,040 If you're a strong bodybuilder, 250 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:16,851 you have the propensity to put on more weight. 251 00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:18,752 The taller you are, the bigger you're gonna be. 252 00:15:18,836 --> 00:15:21,338 They can eat, and they can outlift you, 253 00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:23,900 and the only thing that we would have to rely on was our genetics. 254 00:15:23,924 --> 00:15:24,925 Flex Wheeler was... 255 00:15:25,008 --> 00:15:28,136 You can't say Flex without saying symmetry, or genetics. 256 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,222 And that's what made me who I was. 257 00:15:30,305 --> 00:15:32,599 I think Flex had the best genetics in the world, 258 00:15:32,683 --> 00:15:35,060 but I kind of outworked him. 259 00:15:35,143 --> 00:15:37,145 You know what? Hey, listen, sometimes, you know, 260 00:15:37,229 --> 00:15:38,909 they joke, and they say about me, you know, 261 00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:41,400 "When God made you, He broke the mold." 262 00:15:41,483 --> 00:15:43,527 Well, when He made Ronnie, He broke that mold, too. 263 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:44,695 He was just a freak. 264 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:54,413 Hey, Erica, how you doin'? 265 00:15:54,496 --> 00:15:57,165 Can I get you to give me a hand? 266 00:15:57,249 --> 00:15:59,084 Got ya. 267 00:15:59,168 --> 00:16:00,603 You want me to drive your car? 268 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:02,347 You want to drive my car? 269 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:04,339 - Got you. - Thanks a lot, Erica. 270 00:16:04,423 --> 00:16:05,257 - You have a good one. - You too. 271 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:06,620 We'll see you tomorrow. 272 00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:13,182 One thing I want to stress about Ronnie which really annoys me... 273 00:16:14,099 --> 00:16:18,061 People sometimes think, because of his Louisiana drawl, 274 00:16:18,145 --> 00:16:20,230 you know, he's not very well educated, 275 00:16:20,314 --> 00:16:22,191 he's not... maybe he's not that smart. 276 00:16:22,274 --> 00:16:23,400 He's as smart as a whip, 277 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,527 and he knows exactly what he's doing. 278 00:16:25,611 --> 00:16:27,821 You never ask him a question with him, "I don't know." 279 00:16:27,905 --> 00:16:30,449 You know, he knows what he's doing and why he's doing it. 280 00:16:36,413 --> 00:16:38,040 You know, when I was in football, 281 00:16:38,123 --> 00:16:39,958 I kind of, like, walked on to the team 282 00:16:40,042 --> 00:16:42,753 and made the team, and worked my way up to first string. 283 00:16:42,836 --> 00:16:45,506 I started out, you know, in fifth string, 284 00:16:46,006 --> 00:16:48,091 and worked my way all the way up to first. 285 00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:51,178 I've always tried to be the very best 286 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:53,805 at whatever it is that I've always done. 287 00:16:53,889 --> 00:16:57,851 When I was in college, I always tried to be the smartest guy in the class, 288 00:16:57,935 --> 00:17:00,413 and if I wasn't, then I would study with the smartest guy, but... 289 00:17:00,437 --> 00:17:02,356 nine times out of ten I was. 290 00:17:02,439 --> 00:17:03,815 I started out in management, 291 00:17:03,899 --> 00:17:07,110 and then I stumbled upon accounting, and I... 292 00:17:07,194 --> 00:17:09,279 I was really good at it. You know, I was doing... 293 00:17:09,363 --> 00:17:12,616 I was making hundreds on each and every test that I took. 294 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,743 And one of my instructors said, 295 00:17:14,826 --> 00:17:16,245 "What are you majoring in?" 296 00:17:16,328 --> 00:17:17,347 and I'm like, "Management," 297 00:17:17,371 --> 00:17:19,748 he's like, "No, dude, you need to change that to accounting 298 00:17:19,831 --> 00:17:23,168 'cause you're, like, acing every test that you go through." 299 00:17:23,794 --> 00:17:26,171 He said, "And I think accounting would be 300 00:17:26,255 --> 00:17:27,756 more lucrative than management." 301 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,967 So I'm like, "Okay." 302 00:17:36,765 --> 00:17:38,016 Hey, Corey, you ready, man? 303 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,434 This ain't no joke. 304 00:17:39,518 --> 00:17:41,103 You gotta get that back bigger, baby. 305 00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:44,439 Yeah, buddy! Gotta dig deep! Come on, yeah! 306 00:17:45,148 --> 00:17:47,442 So after you retired professionally, 307 00:17:47,526 --> 00:17:49,778 you started a business, your own supplement line. 308 00:17:49,862 --> 00:17:50,696 Tell me about that. 309 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:52,698 Every year, the company has grown, 310 00:17:52,781 --> 00:17:54,366 and got bigger, and bigger, and bigger. 311 00:17:54,449 --> 00:17:56,535 And we're on our sixth year now. 312 00:17:56,952 --> 00:17:58,495 We launched in Europe and... 313 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:01,999 the Middle East, uh, India. 314 00:18:02,708 --> 00:18:05,335 Did pretty good, and then, like, two years later, 315 00:18:05,419 --> 00:18:06,962 we launched it here in the U.S. 316 00:18:07,045 --> 00:18:09,214 And we got to the point where we... 317 00:18:09,298 --> 00:18:12,718 started with two products, you know, the first couple years, 318 00:18:12,801 --> 00:18:15,304 then we worked our way up to, like, four, 319 00:18:15,387 --> 00:18:17,097 then six, and then eight. 320 00:18:17,181 --> 00:18:19,641 You know, now, we are branching out to... 321 00:18:19,725 --> 00:18:23,478 we got, like, almost 20 products now. 322 00:18:23,562 --> 00:18:26,440 We started out doing, like, four million the first year, 323 00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:28,233 six million the year after that, 324 00:18:28,317 --> 00:18:30,944 then eight million, then ten, you know. 325 00:18:31,028 --> 00:18:33,280 And then 12, and then 15. 326 00:18:33,363 --> 00:18:35,824 So, getting bigger and better every single year. 327 00:18:35,908 --> 00:18:38,076 Just growing it, and, you know, 328 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,245 just seeing how far we can take it. 329 00:18:40,871 --> 00:18:43,457 I got it. 330 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,667 - What's going on with you? - Not much. 331 00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:46,911 - You doing all right? - Yeah. 332 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,715 Man, you know, I ran out of the stuff again. 333 00:18:51,798 --> 00:18:53,425 I'm always running out. 334 00:18:53,509 --> 00:18:55,010 Yeah, what do you need today? 335 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:56,970 You have peanut butter, uh... 336 00:18:57,846 --> 00:18:58,931 King Whey? 337 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:01,117 Oh, you got a big one over there, huh? 338 00:19:01,141 --> 00:19:02,741 - That's all I got. - That's all you got? 339 00:19:02,768 --> 00:19:04,728 Yeah. Go big or go home, Ronnie. 340 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:07,981 How many you got over there? 341 00:19:08,524 --> 00:19:10,484 Got enough. I've got three. 342 00:19:10,567 --> 00:19:11,652 - You got three? - Yeah. 343 00:19:11,735 --> 00:19:12,735 Okay. 344 00:19:14,071 --> 00:19:15,864 I don't want to take your last one, you know. 345 00:19:22,663 --> 00:19:23,890 - Yo. - Hey, man. 346 00:19:23,914 --> 00:19:25,666 You talk to what's his name? 347 00:19:25,749 --> 00:19:28,085 So, yeah. I'm emailing James right now, 348 00:19:28,168 --> 00:19:29,837 and then I copied you on the email, too. 349 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,754 Hey, about that shot? 350 00:19:30,838 --> 00:19:32,673 What about that shot you was talking about? 351 00:19:32,756 --> 00:19:35,008 - The Yeah Buddy shot? - Yeah. 352 00:19:35,092 --> 00:19:36,343 It's not... 353 00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:38,154 We're having a problem with one of the ingredients. 354 00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:40,178 - That one's not gonna... - Ah, ain't that a bitch. 355 00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:44,494 Yeah, but, right now, we're having a very good month. 356 00:19:44,518 --> 00:19:47,247 - Yeah. Oh, cool. - Just gonna bill this shit and get it out. 357 00:19:47,271 --> 00:19:48,564 Oh, cool, that'll work. 358 00:19:48,647 --> 00:19:49,523 That'll work, that'll work. 359 00:19:49,606 --> 00:19:51,483 We need a damn good month. 360 00:19:51,567 --> 00:19:52,901 - All right. - All right, dude. 361 00:19:52,985 --> 00:19:54,820 - All right, bye, later. - Later. 362 00:20:03,954 --> 00:20:06,474 When I got out of college, I started looking for jobs in accounting, 363 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:09,835 and most of the jobs I went on interviews, 364 00:20:09,918 --> 00:20:13,922 they all required you to have some kind of experience. 365 00:20:14,006 --> 00:20:16,425 And, you know, since I never worked anywhere, 366 00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:18,552 I never got a co-op job or nothing like that 367 00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:20,012 while I was in college, 368 00:20:20,095 --> 00:20:23,765 I didn't have no experience, so I missed out on a lot of hiring. 369 00:20:23,849 --> 00:20:27,519 So, I just took pretty much the first thing that came along. 370 00:20:28,103 --> 00:20:31,148 The first thing that came along was Domino's Pizza. 371 00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:35,986 I didn't like pizza after a while, workin' for Domino's for two years. 372 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:38,780 I remember, when I worked for Domino's, 373 00:20:38,864 --> 00:20:42,951 I was so poor I looked forward to going to work so I can eat, 374 00:20:43,035 --> 00:20:47,706 'cause pizza was free and I ate it every single day. 375 00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:51,752 And after a while, you know, 376 00:20:51,835 --> 00:20:54,421 about a year or so into it, 377 00:20:54,505 --> 00:20:56,585 you know, I'm like, "Man, I'm tired of eating pizza." 378 00:20:57,799 --> 00:20:59,194 But Burger King was right next door to us, 379 00:20:59,218 --> 00:21:01,196 and I'm like, "I wonder if they're tired of eating hamburgers." 380 00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:02,471 So I called them. 381 00:21:02,554 --> 00:21:04,681 "Hey, y'all tired of eating burgers?" 382 00:21:04,765 --> 00:21:05,682 They're like, "Yeah." 383 00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:07,309 "Y'all wanna trade?" 384 00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:09,603 They're like, "Yeah, we want to eat pizza." 385 00:21:10,771 --> 00:21:13,524 So I would trade pizza for hamburgers. 386 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:17,319 Then, afterwards, I got tired of eating hamburgers, 387 00:21:17,402 --> 00:21:19,905 Kentucky Fried Chicken was right next door to them. 388 00:21:19,988 --> 00:21:22,991 So I called them up, like, "Hey, y'all tired of eating chicken?" 389 00:21:23,075 --> 00:21:24,284 They're like, "Yeah." 390 00:21:24,368 --> 00:21:26,036 "Y'all want to trade?" 391 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,288 But, you know, the whole time I was there 392 00:21:28,372 --> 00:21:30,040 I was looking for jobs in accounting. 393 00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,875 I went on a lot of interviews, you know, 394 00:21:31,959 --> 00:21:34,336 but like I said, everybody was still saying 395 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:36,463 I need experience and stuff, and... 396 00:21:37,631 --> 00:21:41,134 And I'm about two years into this, and I'm like, 397 00:21:41,218 --> 00:21:43,846 "Man, I don't think it's gonna work out." 398 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,515 And I noticed that... 399 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:49,935 every time I got the newspaper, 400 00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:54,398 in the classified section there was always a big ol' ad there 401 00:21:55,023 --> 00:21:56,942 for police officers, 402 00:21:57,818 --> 00:21:59,653 and they all said, "No experience needed." 403 00:22:00,946 --> 00:22:04,116 So, when I went to Arlington, uh... 404 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:07,870 I had taken, like, two tests already, 405 00:22:07,953 --> 00:22:09,997 so I kind of, like, got to Arlington 406 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,840 and kind of like breezed through the process, 407 00:22:11,874 --> 00:22:13,000 but it was a long process. 408 00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:16,753 Biggest thing was the background check, you know? 409 00:22:16,837 --> 00:22:20,340 You had these officers, like, two or three guys going, 410 00:22:20,424 --> 00:22:23,510 talking to everybody that you talked to over the years. 411 00:22:23,594 --> 00:22:25,596 I still kind of, like, breezed through it 412 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:28,765 'cause I never was in no kind of trouble. 413 00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,392 I always got along with people, 414 00:22:30,475 --> 00:22:32,394 and never did any kind of drugs or nothing, 415 00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:33,729 so I kind of breezed through it 416 00:22:33,812 --> 00:22:36,773 because, you know, I had a real clean record, you know? 417 00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:38,775 I was always trying to be the best, 418 00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:41,153 and my first year, you know, 419 00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:45,115 I was able to get rookie of the year because I worked so hard, 420 00:22:45,199 --> 00:22:46,700 and, you know... 421 00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:49,161 And tried to be the very best that I could at it, 422 00:22:49,244 --> 00:22:52,664 and I was able to get that award. 423 00:22:58,587 --> 00:23:00,255 Girls, take a break. 424 00:23:00,339 --> 00:23:02,382 Daddy needs to record something. Turn the water off. 425 00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:05,719 - Yippee! - Okay, go outside. 426 00:23:08,013 --> 00:23:09,097 Oh, Lord. That's so small. 427 00:23:09,181 --> 00:23:11,099 - I know. - Do you want to stand, or... 428 00:23:11,183 --> 00:23:12,226 Yeah, I'll stand. 429 00:23:12,976 --> 00:23:14,096 For me, he's perfect 430 00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:16,122 'cause he does what he wants to do and I do what I want to do, 431 00:23:16,146 --> 00:23:19,816 and at the end of the day, together, we come home, 432 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,861 and we all, you know, have family time, 433 00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:24,655 and we don't get in each other's way. 434 00:23:24,738 --> 00:23:26,657 At the same time, we work together. 435 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:28,951 Okay, can you read it from here? 436 00:23:29,660 --> 00:23:30,744 Yeah, yeah. I see it. 437 00:23:30,827 --> 00:23:31,995 - You ready? - Yeah. 438 00:23:33,247 --> 00:23:34,831 Hey, guys. Big Ron here. 439 00:23:34,915 --> 00:23:36,333 Just want to let you guys know... 440 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:39,711 We met at his show, the Ronnie Coleman Classic. 441 00:23:39,795 --> 00:23:43,674 A friend knew him, and said, "can meet up with him afterwards." 442 00:23:43,757 --> 00:23:45,884 A big group of us, all together afterwards, 443 00:23:45,968 --> 00:23:48,512 and we all ended up staying till... 444 00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,931 up till 5:00 a.m., talking. 445 00:23:51,014 --> 00:23:53,475 Yup. And at the end, we exchanged phone numbers. 446 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,018 Mm-hmm. 447 00:23:55,102 --> 00:23:58,021 Let's all make some gains together. Yeah, buddy. 448 00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:01,525 No. 449 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:04,069 - Try again. - Okay. 450 00:24:04,152 --> 00:24:09,074 Follow the link below to check out our official website. 451 00:24:09,157 --> 00:24:10,701 Let's all make some gains together. 452 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:11,910 Yeah, buddy. 453 00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:13,328 Hold on, let me see this. 454 00:24:13,996 --> 00:24:15,455 You going, "Oh, man." 455 00:24:17,207 --> 00:24:20,335 Oh, wow. Where's my keys for my car? 456 00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:38,020 I've always been real fond of kids, when I was in high school and college. 457 00:24:38,103 --> 00:24:39,223 Had my first one in college. 458 00:24:40,439 --> 00:24:42,733 I got my 32, and 33-year-old. 459 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:46,904 You know, my 32 is in Houston. 460 00:24:46,987 --> 00:24:49,865 Actually, I have a granddaughter, too, with her. 461 00:24:49,948 --> 00:24:52,618 And Susan has two kids, uh... 462 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:56,371 15 and 13. 463 00:24:56,455 --> 00:25:00,375 And then me and Susan have the four together here. 464 00:25:00,459 --> 00:25:02,836 - Who's that? - Sophie, mami. 465 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,338 She's a little "ah!" 466 00:25:05,422 --> 00:25:07,466 Sophie, give me kiss, kiss, kiss? 467 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:10,010 Mwah! Thank you. 468 00:25:10,093 --> 00:25:11,178 Huh? 469 00:25:13,972 --> 00:25:15,015 Laila! 470 00:25:16,517 --> 00:25:18,101 Hey, girl! How you doin'? 471 00:25:18,185 --> 00:25:19,269 You doin' all right? 472 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:21,980 Can I have a kiss? Dada get a kiss? 473 00:25:23,941 --> 00:25:25,484 Mwah! Thank you! 474 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:27,277 - Ready to go? - Ready! Ready! 475 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:30,155 You okay, Sophie? 476 00:25:30,239 --> 00:25:32,282 You all right, mami? What happened? 477 00:25:32,366 --> 00:25:35,035 - Did you hit your shoulder? - She bumped her head. 478 00:25:35,118 --> 00:25:36,286 She bumped her head? 479 00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:38,330 Yeah. 480 00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:44,378 What are you looking at, Laila? 481 00:25:45,337 --> 00:25:46,421 - Daddy! - Yeah? 482 00:25:46,505 --> 00:25:48,757 - Over here. - What's over here? 483 00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:51,844 - Car! - Yup. 484 00:25:52,803 --> 00:25:55,681 Laila, didn't you have a jacket on this morning? 485 00:25:56,223 --> 00:25:57,223 Laila? 486 00:25:58,141 --> 00:26:00,662 Laila, where's your jacket? Did you have a jacket on this morning? 487 00:26:00,686 --> 00:26:02,771 - No. - You didn't? Are you sure? 488 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:04,022 No. 489 00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:06,483 I think you did have one on. 490 00:26:08,151 --> 00:26:09,319 Yeah, we got four together. 491 00:26:09,403 --> 00:26:12,406 So we got a three-year-old. She's adorable. 492 00:26:12,489 --> 00:26:15,576 They're not... She's not into any sports or anything right now. 493 00:26:15,659 --> 00:26:17,077 She's doing her own thing. 494 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,370 The four-year-old, same thing, 495 00:26:18,453 --> 00:26:22,165 she's not into any sports or anything. 496 00:26:22,249 --> 00:26:23,166 Just doing the kid thing. 497 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,086 And I'm not trying to rush 'em. 498 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:29,298 - A-ha! Did I scare you? - Daddy. 499 00:26:29,381 --> 00:26:30,632 Daddy! I scared ya? 500 00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:32,759 - You okay? - Yeah. 501 00:26:32,843 --> 00:26:33,843 Give me kiss. 502 00:26:34,428 --> 00:26:35,804 Mwah! Thank you! 503 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,227 For the most part, I pick up the, uh... 504 00:26:42,311 --> 00:26:45,397 three and four-year-old every single day from school. 505 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,902 - Laila, you're blowing the horn, mami. - Daddy. 506 00:26:54,156 --> 00:26:55,407 Daddy, where is it? 507 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:57,117 - In the sink. - In the sink. 508 00:26:57,201 --> 00:26:58,285 Mm-hmm. 509 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:04,124 Daddy, can we take this off? 510 00:27:05,459 --> 00:27:06,335 Mm-hmm. 511 00:27:06,418 --> 00:27:07,294 You want to take it off? 512 00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:08,629 Yes, Daddy. 513 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:09,712 Okay, hold on. 514 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:14,009 Aw! Daddy! 515 00:27:14,843 --> 00:27:17,137 - Hmm? - I want to take it off. 516 00:27:17,221 --> 00:27:20,974 Man, it seems like their energy level is endless. 517 00:27:21,058 --> 00:27:22,309 I mean, they're always going. 518 00:27:22,392 --> 00:27:25,312 Even when I get 'em home, 519 00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:28,982 it takes another two hours to wind 'em down 520 00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:30,067 to get 'em into bed. 521 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:32,736 And sometimes they don't even fall asleep. 522 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:36,949 They up watching TV and stuff. It keeps us pretty busy. 523 00:27:37,783 --> 00:27:39,034 Sorry, Daddy. 524 00:27:39,618 --> 00:27:40,618 Uh-oh! 525 00:27:51,296 --> 00:27:52,296 Oh, wow. 526 00:27:52,339 --> 00:27:54,967 I always mix up a King Whey shake, 527 00:27:55,592 --> 00:27:59,763 and then I take this Yeah Buddy pre-workout before I train. 528 00:27:59,847 --> 00:28:02,432 And I take the Stacked-N.O. along with it, 529 00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:04,685 and take a couple... 530 00:28:04,768 --> 00:28:07,688 maybe a multivitamin and vitamin C with it. 531 00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:16,113 How much pain do you feel every day 532 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:17,823 on a scale of one to ten? 533 00:28:17,906 --> 00:28:19,575 Uh, nine, ten. 534 00:28:19,658 --> 00:28:20,993 Yeah, it's pretty heavy. 535 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:26,790 When I do appearances, my pain level goes up to, like, a 12, 13. 536 00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:28,792 Some was unbearable. 537 00:28:30,586 --> 00:28:32,379 Some was unbearable. 538 00:28:33,922 --> 00:28:35,257 If I'm in a whole lot of pain, 539 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:37,593 I'll just sit, and just do the appearance... 540 00:28:38,677 --> 00:28:40,429 and have people take pictures. 541 00:28:41,263 --> 00:28:43,974 But for the most part, you know, I always try to stand up. 542 00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,187 I've been in pain for so long now, I'm just used to it. 543 00:28:50,856 --> 00:28:52,524 I take the pills, too. 544 00:28:52,608 --> 00:28:53,942 Helps it a little bit. 545 00:28:56,195 --> 00:28:57,654 Like I said, I take about... 546 00:28:58,906 --> 00:29:02,326 four, sometimes five a day, every single day. 547 00:29:03,702 --> 00:29:09,166 They're called oxycodone, these pills right here. 548 00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:11,960 I even keep 'em with me. 549 00:29:12,044 --> 00:29:13,587 They're 30 milligrams. 550 00:29:14,505 --> 00:29:16,340 And, uh, they work... 551 00:29:16,423 --> 00:29:17,674 They work pretty good. 552 00:29:17,758 --> 00:29:19,301 This is the highest, uh... 553 00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:21,470 The highest, uh... 554 00:29:22,846 --> 00:29:26,475 potency you can get is 30 milligrams. 555 00:29:27,726 --> 00:29:29,603 So it eases the pain up a little bit... 556 00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:36,318 for about three or four hours. 557 00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:40,989 And then it comes right back. 558 00:29:43,158 --> 00:29:44,576 Then I take another one. 559 00:30:39,381 --> 00:30:40,381 Whoa. 560 00:30:55,981 --> 00:30:57,858 Oh, ow. 561 00:31:04,615 --> 00:31:06,283 - How's it going? - Good. 562 00:31:07,201 --> 00:31:08,410 Been busy? 563 00:31:09,328 --> 00:31:10,537 Today, not really. 564 00:31:11,163 --> 00:31:13,643 How did you decide to become a professional bodybuilder? 565 00:31:16,502 --> 00:31:19,630 After I graduated from the academy, 566 00:31:19,713 --> 00:31:21,840 and they cut you loose on the street, 567 00:31:21,924 --> 00:31:23,844 one of the guys saw me on one of the calls, like, 568 00:31:23,884 --> 00:31:26,261 "Man, you're a pretty big guy. Where do you work out at?" 569 00:31:26,345 --> 00:31:29,097 I told him, "Man, I work out at the station, where it's free." 570 00:31:31,141 --> 00:31:33,286 He said, "You ought to come over to Metroflex, the gym I work out at." 571 00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:34,311 So I go, "okay." 572 00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:37,523 So I go to Metroflex and Brian is there. 573 00:31:37,606 --> 00:31:39,334 My name is Brian Dobson. I'm the owner and operator 574 00:31:39,358 --> 00:31:40,359 of Metroflex Gym. 575 00:31:40,442 --> 00:31:41,860 We're here in Arlington, Texas. 576 00:31:41,944 --> 00:31:44,029 Brian is the guy that got me into bodybuilding. 577 00:31:44,112 --> 00:31:46,657 A friend of mine brought me to this gym. 578 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:50,285 Brian was insistent upon me bodybuilding, 579 00:31:50,369 --> 00:31:52,009 and told me I could do good in the sport. 580 00:31:52,538 --> 00:31:54,790 Finally told me that he'd get me a free membership, 581 00:31:54,873 --> 00:31:56,500 and I said, "Oh, what the heck?" 582 00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:58,377 Brian Dobson. I'm the owner of Metroflex Gym. 583 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,254 Been here since 1987. 584 00:32:00,337 --> 00:32:01,898 I mean, you know, we get new equipment here and there, 585 00:32:01,922 --> 00:32:03,841 but pretty much stays the same, man. 586 00:32:03,924 --> 00:32:06,093 We believe in the old-school ways. 587 00:32:06,176 --> 00:32:08,095 Our training methods here are hard. 588 00:32:08,178 --> 00:32:10,264 We get criticized a lot for that. 589 00:32:10,347 --> 00:32:14,017 He trained in a dungeon-type gym. Uh... 590 00:32:14,101 --> 00:32:16,311 In my terms, it would be labeled as a shithole. 591 00:32:21,817 --> 00:32:24,778 Rusty weights, and very dusty, and whatever. 592 00:32:24,862 --> 00:32:27,322 But that's where he trained because he loved to train. 593 00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:30,492 Yes, that place is a trip. 594 00:32:30,576 --> 00:32:32,512 I mean, I was from California. We got the ocean breeze 595 00:32:32,536 --> 00:32:34,955 coming in through Gold's in Venice, 596 00:32:35,038 --> 00:32:37,082 and I wasn't accustomed to all the heat. 597 00:32:37,165 --> 00:32:39,060 You know, a hundred-something degrees in the gym. 598 00:32:39,084 --> 00:32:41,628 I don't know how they do it, but they do it. 599 00:32:41,712 --> 00:32:43,338 It's hot as hell in there. 600 00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:03,293 As soon as he walked in, I knew who it was. 601 00:33:03,317 --> 00:33:05,444 He had the red sweatshirt on, 602 00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:08,197 and you could see the veins, like, you know, 603 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,115 bulging through this thing. 604 00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:13,452 And, of course, I was used to being around champion bodybuilders, 605 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:15,454 but I don't think I'd ever seen that yet. 606 00:33:16,455 --> 00:33:19,958 Brian kind of took me under his wing, 607 00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:21,710 and taught me all the poses and stuff. 608 00:33:21,793 --> 00:33:24,379 And then he would go over, you know, like, diet and stuff 609 00:33:24,463 --> 00:33:26,548 and tell me what I needed to eat. 610 00:33:29,134 --> 00:33:31,029 The thing that separated him, of course, was just, 611 00:33:31,053 --> 00:33:33,805 his work ethic from the very start has been supreme. 612 00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:34,889 Never... 613 00:33:34,932 --> 00:33:36,808 He was never one of them guys you had to push. 614 00:33:36,892 --> 00:33:40,312 My first show, I went in, won first in overall. 615 00:33:40,395 --> 00:33:42,105 And I'm like, "Whoa. 616 00:33:42,189 --> 00:33:44,107 I can probably be pretty good at this." 617 00:34:18,642 --> 00:34:20,435 When I was in high school, 618 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,230 the gym I worked out was like Metroflex. 619 00:34:23,313 --> 00:34:26,775 When I was in college, the gym I worked out at was like Metroflex. 620 00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:29,403 So I got accustomed to working out at a gym 621 00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:32,239 that had no A/C, there's dirt on the floor, 622 00:34:32,322 --> 00:34:33,448 there was no carpet. 623 00:34:34,992 --> 00:34:37,703 And I kind of, like, fell in love with that type of gym. 624 00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:40,205 You know, you get used to a certain thing, 625 00:34:40,289 --> 00:34:42,416 you just don't want to change 626 00:34:42,499 --> 00:34:45,961 'cause that's kind of like what's worked for you... 627 00:34:46,044 --> 00:34:47,588 your whole life. 628 00:34:48,213 --> 00:34:49,590 And you fall in love with it, 629 00:34:49,673 --> 00:34:51,675 and that's what you want to do. 630 00:34:51,758 --> 00:34:53,802 And that's what Metroflex is, 631 00:34:54,553 --> 00:34:57,723 and that's what it's been for me all my life. 632 00:34:57,806 --> 00:35:03,645 It's what I'm accustomed to doing, and it's what made me successful. 633 00:35:03,729 --> 00:35:05,022 So... 634 00:35:06,106 --> 00:35:08,192 Like they say, if it ain't... 635 00:35:08,275 --> 00:35:11,361 if it ain't broke, then, you know, 636 00:35:11,445 --> 00:35:13,322 you ain't got nothing to fix there. 637 00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:25,542 I knew he could be Mr. Olympia one day. 638 00:35:25,626 --> 00:35:27,753 There's no man who trains harder anywhere. 639 00:35:27,836 --> 00:35:30,547 I truly believe that if Ronnie put his mind to it, 640 00:35:30,631 --> 00:35:32,551 he could set the all-time record in powerlifting, 641 00:35:33,509 --> 00:35:35,487 and not only be the greatest bodybuilder of all time, 642 00:35:35,511 --> 00:35:37,679 but the greatest powerlifter of all time, also. 643 00:35:37,763 --> 00:35:41,600 I think Ronnie could be Mr. Olympia till he's 45, 50 years old if he wanted to be. 644 00:35:42,601 --> 00:35:45,270 Uh, this is 2000, I'm still here. 645 00:35:45,354 --> 00:35:48,357 I've been here for almost 11, 12 years. 646 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,834 Been the happiest times of my life, 647 00:35:49,858 --> 00:35:53,403 and I kind of, like, hope Brian's been kind of happy with me being here. 648 00:35:53,487 --> 00:35:56,240 Hell yeah. 649 00:35:56,323 --> 00:35:58,092 I mean, Brian's kind of like, you know, an angel to me 650 00:35:58,116 --> 00:36:00,244 because, you know, I've been working out now 651 00:36:00,327 --> 00:36:01,537 for about 25 years. 652 00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:03,580 And when I first walked through that door, 653 00:36:03,664 --> 00:36:05,344 Brian had told me I could be a world champ. 654 00:36:05,374 --> 00:36:09,503 And he stuck by his belief and his feeling toward me. 655 00:36:10,212 --> 00:36:11,964 It's kind of like we got a bond here. 656 00:36:12,047 --> 00:36:15,092 So, I think we're kind of like a family. 657 00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:20,389 I didn't do this thing all by myself. 658 00:36:20,472 --> 00:36:21,557 I had some help. 659 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,977 And right here is my angel, Brian Dobson. 660 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:26,270 Thank you, brother. 661 00:36:33,527 --> 00:36:35,529 One of the stories that stands out to me 662 00:36:35,612 --> 00:36:38,615 goes all the way back to 1992, Helsinki, Finland. 663 00:36:38,699 --> 00:36:41,451 I believe that was Ronnie Coleman's first Mr. Olympia. 664 00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:44,580 He and I were one of the last at the baggage claim, 665 00:36:44,663 --> 00:36:46,206 and I thought, "What's he doing here?" 666 00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:47,833 Like, "Who is he here with?" 667 00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:50,520 I didn't know that he was actually there to compete in the competition. 668 00:36:50,544 --> 00:36:52,713 And lo and behold, by the time the show was going on, 669 00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:54,756 he was backstage warming up, 670 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,259 and he obviously was a work in progress. 671 00:36:57,342 --> 00:36:59,636 I believe he got dead last in that competition. 672 00:37:01,722 --> 00:37:04,683 When it comes to Ronnie Coleman, he was so far back in the pack 673 00:37:04,766 --> 00:37:08,228 in my economy of a great bodybuilder. 674 00:37:08,812 --> 00:37:11,231 You gotta remember, I came up behind Lee Haney, 675 00:37:11,315 --> 00:37:12,816 and behind Dorian Yates, 676 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,586 and with Flex, and with Kevin and with Nasser, 677 00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:18,614 and those were the guys that made the fabric of the Mr. Olympia. 678 00:37:18,697 --> 00:37:22,242 So every time I looked at someone to measure where I stood, 679 00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:24,536 it was never at Ronnie Coleman. 680 00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:27,497 Ronnie, on a competitive level, you just never thought about him. 681 00:37:27,581 --> 00:37:29,917 Going into competitions, you know, he was nowhere close. 682 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,728 If I was in the first call-out, he was probably, like, 683 00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:32,896 in the third or fourth, if that. 684 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,963 He was placing, you know, 685 00:37:35,047 --> 00:37:36,566 in the back of the pack a lot of the times. 686 00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,675 I didn't even get a call-out, you know. 687 00:37:40,219 --> 00:37:45,849 I didn't think I could be, like, with the top guys anyway, so... 688 00:37:45,933 --> 00:37:48,227 So I didn't even qualify for the Olympia '93. 689 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:50,020 So I went to Olympia '94 690 00:37:50,103 --> 00:37:53,357 and placed 15th, 16th, somewhere in there. 691 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,610 But at least they called me out and compared me to the other guys. 692 00:37:56,693 --> 00:38:00,531 So 1995 rolls around and I went to Olympia that year 693 00:38:00,614 --> 00:38:03,158 and I think I placed, like, 11th, somewhere in there, 694 00:38:03,242 --> 00:38:04,660 12th, somewhere in there. 695 00:38:04,743 --> 00:38:06,995 So, you know, I'm moving up in placing, 696 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,956 I'm doing a bit better, you know. 697 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:10,832 In '96, I did pretty good in Olympia. 698 00:38:10,916 --> 00:38:14,044 I ended up in, like, seventh place that year. 699 00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:16,797 So things are getting better and better every year. 700 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,634 '97 rolls around, and that year at the Olympia, 701 00:38:20,717 --> 00:38:22,719 I got ninth, you know. 702 00:38:23,387 --> 00:38:25,722 I started noticing, you know, this is the first year 703 00:38:25,806 --> 00:38:27,766 and the second year, same thing. 704 00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:29,142 Third year, same thing. 705 00:38:29,226 --> 00:38:31,645 So Ronnie would be on the road with Vickie Gates, 706 00:38:31,728 --> 00:38:33,397 and just carrying his food. 707 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,565 We're talking about... 708 00:38:34,648 --> 00:38:39,278 You gotta go from Spain to compete in Italy, and, you know. 709 00:38:39,361 --> 00:38:41,405 So he's got this whole thing mapped out. 710 00:38:41,488 --> 00:38:44,157 He's taking trains, you know. We're flying and stuff. 711 00:38:44,741 --> 00:38:46,827 And I'm like, "Dude, why do you keep doing this?" 712 00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:49,454 I felt like saying, "Why are you wasting your time?" 713 00:38:49,538 --> 00:38:50,849 I was like, "Man, what are you doing? 714 00:38:50,873 --> 00:38:53,375 I mean, I wouldn't even do this if I'm not winning. 715 00:38:53,876 --> 00:38:56,461 That's my approach, 'cause I'm out there to win. 716 00:38:57,254 --> 00:38:59,798 And Ronnie looked at me and he says, 717 00:38:59,882 --> 00:39:02,718 "Because I love doing it. I mean, I love bodybuilding." 718 00:39:03,594 --> 00:39:04,988 He said, "Man, I love bodybuilding." 719 00:39:05,012 --> 00:39:06,471 You know, when he said it like that, 720 00:39:07,139 --> 00:39:10,058 I was like, "Damn, yeah. You must really love it." 721 00:39:10,142 --> 00:39:11,435 You know? 722 00:39:11,518 --> 00:39:13,770 I can remember it like it was yesterday. 723 00:39:13,854 --> 00:39:15,772 They finally let me in the Arnold Classic. 724 00:39:16,481 --> 00:39:19,943 The show before the Arnold was the Ironman, 725 00:39:20,027 --> 00:39:23,071 and I ended up in, like, third place, I think. 726 00:39:23,155 --> 00:39:25,574 But the guy who won the show was Lee Priest. 727 00:39:25,657 --> 00:39:26,825 I'm like, "Man..." 728 00:39:28,785 --> 00:39:30,162 "How did he beat me?" 729 00:39:30,245 --> 00:39:33,081 You know, Lee about this tall. 730 00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:36,710 I'm like, "I don't know if this the sport for me." 731 00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:41,131 So I'm at the Arnold Classic and I remember, after the prejudge, 732 00:39:41,215 --> 00:39:43,258 I went back to my room and I, like... 733 00:39:44,468 --> 00:39:47,068 My girlfriend at the time was Vickie... a girl named Vickie Gates. 734 00:39:47,137 --> 00:39:48,847 She was competing in the show, too. 735 00:39:48,931 --> 00:39:51,767 I was like, "Vickie, I think I'm done with this bodybuilding stuff. 736 00:39:52,643 --> 00:39:55,437 They letting guys like Lee Priest beat me. 737 00:39:56,355 --> 00:39:58,232 I don't think this is for me." 738 00:39:58,315 --> 00:40:00,651 She's like, "Boy, shut up. You ain't gonna quit." 739 00:40:01,485 --> 00:40:03,820 And I thought about it. I'm like, "You know what? 740 00:40:03,904 --> 00:40:07,324 If I do quit, I might lose my free membership to the gym, so... 741 00:40:08,367 --> 00:40:11,662 I think I am gonna hang around here for a little while longer." 742 00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:19,378 I've always had back issues from my high school days. 743 00:40:19,461 --> 00:40:21,964 I hurt my back in high school. I hurt my back in college. 744 00:40:22,047 --> 00:40:23,447 One day, out on the football field, 745 00:40:23,507 --> 00:40:26,009 something snapped and I went to the chiropractor, 746 00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:28,637 and I've been going to the chiropractor ever since then. 747 00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:31,598 We're going to, uh, 748 00:40:31,682 --> 00:40:34,893 utilize the Apollo cold laser here. 749 00:40:35,644 --> 00:40:40,357 With different types of laser therapies, of course we want to protect the eyes. 750 00:40:41,316 --> 00:40:44,069 The cold laser therapy... 751 00:40:44,903 --> 00:40:47,447 is a slower laser therapy 752 00:40:47,531 --> 00:40:51,451 that is utilized for musculoskeletal injuries. 753 00:40:53,662 --> 00:40:56,415 We're putting this on Ron's muscles here, 754 00:40:56,498 --> 00:40:59,376 on the lateral aspect of the paralumbars, 755 00:40:59,459 --> 00:41:01,253 and then we're gonna work our way down... 756 00:41:01,879 --> 00:41:04,381 into the sacroiliac joint. 757 00:41:05,090 --> 00:41:08,635 Ronnie had injured his back, I believe, when he was doing a squat. 758 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:14,266 Yeah, it was painful, you know, to have a disc just pop out. 759 00:41:14,349 --> 00:41:16,935 I was getting ready for the Arnold Classic at this time. 760 00:41:17,019 --> 00:41:19,021 It was December 1996. 761 00:41:19,104 --> 00:41:22,983 Squatting 600 pounds and, you know, 600 pounds for me is like nothing. 762 00:41:23,066 --> 00:41:24,961 I always do, like, you know, 12 to 15 reps with that, 763 00:41:24,985 --> 00:41:27,321 and I was coming up on rep number eight 764 00:41:27,404 --> 00:41:29,698 and "pow," the disc just popped out. 765 00:41:29,781 --> 00:41:30,842 And I didn't know what had happened, you know? 766 00:41:30,866 --> 00:41:31,992 I just heard a loud pop. 767 00:41:32,075 --> 00:41:34,161 I thought the guy, actually, that was spotting me 768 00:41:34,244 --> 00:41:35,680 had hit me to get me fired up, you know, for the set. 769 00:41:35,704 --> 00:41:37,504 But he told me, "No, man, I didn't touch you." 770 00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:38,850 I'm like, "What was that loud sound?" 771 00:41:38,874 --> 00:41:40,375 He's like, "I don't know." 772 00:41:40,459 --> 00:41:42,878 I'm like, "I don't know either, but I'm done with squats." 773 00:41:42,961 --> 00:41:45,130 So I went on over and did leg press, 774 00:41:45,214 --> 00:41:48,800 I did my hamstrings, a couple exercises. 775 00:41:48,884 --> 00:41:51,470 Came home and I ate, took a shower, 776 00:41:51,553 --> 00:41:53,305 put on my uniform to go to work, 777 00:41:53,388 --> 00:41:55,390 and I'm like, "Wait a minute, I'm feeling pain." 778 00:41:55,474 --> 00:41:56,892 And I'm like, 779 00:41:56,975 --> 00:41:58,894 "Should I make this right turn and go to work, 780 00:41:58,977 --> 00:42:01,230 or should I make this left turn and go to the hospital?" 781 00:42:01,939 --> 00:42:04,483 So I made the left turn and went to the hospital, 782 00:42:04,566 --> 00:42:07,110 and found out, you know, I had a herniated disc. 783 00:42:13,242 --> 00:42:16,286 Have you ever recommended for Ronnie to stop lifting so heavy? 784 00:42:16,912 --> 00:42:18,956 Yeah. 785 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:20,791 I sure did. 786 00:42:20,874 --> 00:42:24,461 You know, Ronnie, he had a goal in view. 787 00:42:25,087 --> 00:42:27,881 He wanted to be the number one bodybuilder in the world. 788 00:42:27,965 --> 00:42:29,466 But, of course, eventually, 789 00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:31,110 with the massive weights that he was lifting, 790 00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:32,970 those discs can, many, many times, 791 00:42:33,053 --> 00:42:34,429 pay a pretty heavy price. 792 00:42:34,972 --> 00:42:37,683 Bodybuilding, on the surface, is, again, 793 00:42:37,766 --> 00:42:41,854 it's a great way to build confidence, relationships, 794 00:42:41,937 --> 00:42:43,772 um, overcome fears... 795 00:42:43,856 --> 00:42:45,482 But it comes at a price for some. 796 00:42:45,566 --> 00:42:47,734 Ronnie trained hard, but did he train smart? 797 00:42:47,818 --> 00:42:51,280 That was the only thing that I questioned, especially now... 798 00:42:51,363 --> 00:42:53,740 seeing Ronnie with injuries and everything else. 799 00:42:53,824 --> 00:42:57,536 Through time, I've wished I'd known what I know now, 800 00:42:57,619 --> 00:43:01,582 because I still think that you could train... 801 00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:04,793 not as heavy, but train your body to failure, 802 00:43:04,877 --> 00:43:07,754 or train your body to, you know, gain lean muscle mass, 803 00:43:07,838 --> 00:43:09,607 and not have to train where you're gonna get injured. 804 00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:14,011 I think someone like myself or even like Ronnie Coleman, 805 00:43:14,094 --> 00:43:17,014 we were just training pedal to the metal. 806 00:43:17,097 --> 00:43:18,640 It didn't matter, and we didn't think, 807 00:43:18,724 --> 00:43:20,952 "Oh, we're gonna get injured doing this." We just did it. 808 00:43:20,976 --> 00:43:23,562 To get to that level, you have to train like that. 809 00:43:23,645 --> 00:43:25,898 You know, Ronnie had enormous amounts of size, 810 00:43:25,981 --> 00:43:27,608 and the quality of the muscle. 811 00:43:27,691 --> 00:43:30,777 You know, that can't be done through just sitting there, 812 00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:33,989 pumping 25, 30, or 40-pound dumbbells. 813 00:43:34,531 --> 00:43:38,452 He put the workload on his muscles to make them get to a level 814 00:43:38,535 --> 00:43:40,078 to where there were deep cuts 815 00:43:40,162 --> 00:43:41,562 and deep striations, and hard work. 816 00:43:42,414 --> 00:43:45,125 You know, and that's what his body prevailed. 817 00:43:45,209 --> 00:43:46,502 You saw that. 818 00:43:46,585 --> 00:43:49,755 You know, so if you're not willing to go to that place where... 819 00:43:50,964 --> 00:43:53,425 where he is going to, and train like that, 820 00:43:53,509 --> 00:43:55,219 and withstand that, and live like that, 821 00:43:55,302 --> 00:43:57,471 and do that, and do that, and do that, 822 00:43:57,554 --> 00:43:58,865 you don't have a chance against him. 823 00:43:58,889 --> 00:44:01,016 Woo-hoo! 824 00:44:02,017 --> 00:44:03,727 Whoa, baby! 825 00:44:07,814 --> 00:44:10,275 Lightweight, baby! 826 00:44:11,193 --> 00:44:12,653 Yeah! 827 00:44:37,511 --> 00:44:38,929 Yeah, baby! 828 00:44:40,347 --> 00:44:41,557 Let's go! 829 00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:47,855 Yeah! 830 00:44:47,938 --> 00:44:49,648 Yeah, baby! 831 00:44:49,731 --> 00:44:50,731 Yeah! 832 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:02,202 Ronnie is number one, man. 833 00:45:02,286 --> 00:45:06,081 Two! Three! Push it! 834 00:45:06,707 --> 00:45:08,458 Yeah! Yeah! 835 00:45:11,545 --> 00:45:13,005 Woo! 836 00:45:40,449 --> 00:45:42,169 A lot of people don't know it, but I learned 837 00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:43,911 from the guys that beat me. 838 00:45:43,994 --> 00:45:45,746 You know, I applied the same knowledge 839 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:47,122 when I was in college, you know. 840 00:45:47,206 --> 00:45:48,373 If I'm not the smartest, 841 00:45:48,457 --> 00:45:50,792 I'll go talk to the guys that are the smartest. 842 00:45:50,876 --> 00:45:52,836 And when I got to bodybuilding, 843 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,856 I wasn't the best, so I went and talked to the guys 844 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,633 who were the best, like Flex and Kevin, 845 00:45:57,716 --> 00:46:01,178 and all those guys, and they gave me the knowledge 846 00:46:01,261 --> 00:46:03,972 that took me to the next level. 847 00:46:08,727 --> 00:46:10,938 We were in Russia one time and he came to me, 848 00:46:11,021 --> 00:46:14,608 and I had won everything, you know, six straight shows. 849 00:46:14,691 --> 00:46:17,861 I was placing like fourth and fifth, you know, in every show, 850 00:46:17,945 --> 00:46:20,489 because I was kinda, like, burnt out for the most part, 851 00:46:20,572 --> 00:46:22,449 you know, from doing all those shows anyway. 852 00:46:22,533 --> 00:46:25,244 I did the Olympia, I did the show before the Olympia. 853 00:46:25,327 --> 00:46:29,206 So I was kind of like burnt out, but I remember 854 00:46:29,289 --> 00:46:32,251 Kevin is winning every show, and I'm like, 855 00:46:32,334 --> 00:46:34,545 "What the hell is he doing to win all these shows?" 856 00:46:34,628 --> 00:46:37,673 So, I went to Kevin's room, I'm like, "Kevin." 857 00:46:37,756 --> 00:46:39,883 I was in there eating pizza and stuff, you know, 858 00:46:39,967 --> 00:46:41,635 just chilling. I had just won a show. 859 00:46:41,718 --> 00:46:42,970 Heard a knock on the door. 860 00:46:43,053 --> 00:46:44,930 I look, open the door, it's Ronnie. 861 00:46:45,013 --> 00:46:47,075 "Hey, man. What you doing? You don't mind if I come in here? 862 00:46:47,099 --> 00:46:48,179 I wanna ask you something." 863 00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:51,353 I said, "All right, come on in, big dog." You know, "what's up?" 864 00:46:51,854 --> 00:46:54,731 "Man, what's the trick? What you doing, Kevin?" 865 00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:55,983 What are you doing? 866 00:46:56,066 --> 00:46:59,027 How are you staying so hard to win all these shows? 867 00:46:59,111 --> 00:47:00,338 He's like, "You wanna know what I'm doing?" 868 00:47:00,362 --> 00:47:01,965 - I'm like, "Yeah!" - I said, "Dude," 869 00:47:01,989 --> 00:47:03,448 I said, "Listen, man." I said, 870 00:47:03,532 --> 00:47:05,576 "You've been carrying your food around. 871 00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:08,137 You're so serious. You're measuring out your food. You're doing... 872 00:47:08,161 --> 00:47:09,955 You gotta just relax, Ronnie." 873 00:47:10,038 --> 00:47:11,516 I said, "Why don't you just have a seat, man, 874 00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:12,860 do a shot of this vodka with me?" 875 00:47:12,916 --> 00:47:14,877 So he goes over to his coffee maker 876 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,920 and pours a little coffee in the cup. 877 00:47:17,004 --> 00:47:19,464 Then he goes to the refrigerator... 878 00:47:19,548 --> 00:47:21,967 and pulls out a bottle of vodka, 879 00:47:22,843 --> 00:47:25,137 and he poured that into the cup. 880 00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:27,431 And he said, uh... 881 00:47:28,557 --> 00:47:29,766 "Drink that." 882 00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:31,059 I'm like... 883 00:47:31,143 --> 00:47:33,312 "I don't drink no alcohol, Kevin, you know that. 884 00:47:33,395 --> 00:47:34,581 I don't drink no alcohol, man. 885 00:47:34,605 --> 00:47:36,023 Man, bodybuilders can't do that." 886 00:47:36,106 --> 00:47:38,984 I don't drink no vodka. I don't drink alcohol. 887 00:47:39,067 --> 00:47:41,028 I said, "Look, big dog." I said, "Listen, 888 00:47:41,111 --> 00:47:43,047 take a shot of this vodka, man. You'll be all right." 889 00:47:43,071 --> 00:47:45,908 I said, "You know, just chill, man. Take it easy." 890 00:47:46,408 --> 00:47:47,659 So he took a shot. 891 00:47:48,202 --> 00:47:49,202 "Man, you sure?" 892 00:47:49,244 --> 00:47:50,704 I said, "Yeah, I'm sure." 893 00:47:51,455 --> 00:47:52,873 So I'm like, "Okay." 894 00:47:54,124 --> 00:47:56,376 So he drank it, and... 895 00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:59,838 "Man, this stuff don't taste right. Man, I ain't used to this in my body. 896 00:47:59,922 --> 00:48:02,007 But if you say do it, I'm gonna do it." 897 00:48:02,090 --> 00:48:03,884 I said, "All right, go ahead and drink that." 898 00:48:03,967 --> 00:48:07,137 All right, so he drank it, and we sit down and talk a little more. 899 00:48:07,221 --> 00:48:09,014 Talked about training, working out. 900 00:48:09,097 --> 00:48:12,059 I gave him another shot, gave him another shot. 901 00:48:12,768 --> 00:48:14,394 Gave him another shot, right? 902 00:48:14,478 --> 00:48:17,606 So by the fifth shot he's like, "Man, this stuff's pretty good. 903 00:48:17,689 --> 00:48:19,942 Got a... let me have another shot of that. 904 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,862 Man, that vodka, that made me feel real good." 905 00:48:23,946 --> 00:48:26,573 So he got up, and I says, "Man," I said, "Listen, 906 00:48:26,657 --> 00:48:28,909 eat some of this pizza," ate a little bit of pizza. 907 00:48:29,785 --> 00:48:31,495 And he left and went to his room. 908 00:48:31,995 --> 00:48:34,581 So I didn't see him until the next morning when we woke up. 909 00:48:34,665 --> 00:48:35,999 You know, when... 910 00:48:36,083 --> 00:48:37,334 saw him backstage, 911 00:48:37,417 --> 00:48:39,461 pumping up, pulled his clothes off. 912 00:48:40,254 --> 00:48:42,089 And I looked at him, dude, 913 00:48:42,172 --> 00:48:44,341 and my jaw's just dropped. 914 00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:46,927 I was like... 915 00:48:47,636 --> 00:48:48,637 "Damn." 916 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,889 I drank that coffee and that vodka, 917 00:48:50,973 --> 00:48:54,685 and I went to the show the next day and beat Kevin. 918 00:48:54,768 --> 00:48:57,354 I think that by him having the alcohol, 919 00:48:57,437 --> 00:49:00,566 it dehydrated him just a little more, 920 00:49:00,649 --> 00:49:03,277 but it was able to also relax him, 921 00:49:03,777 --> 00:49:06,655 to not think about any food, not think about anything, 922 00:49:06,738 --> 00:49:09,908 and I think that relaxed state of mind 923 00:49:10,492 --> 00:49:13,203 just let the water just leave his body. 924 00:49:13,912 --> 00:49:17,082 And when Ronnie hit that stage, man, it was all over. 925 00:49:17,165 --> 00:49:19,334 It was like, "Where'd this dude come from?" 926 00:49:23,672 --> 00:49:25,632 I remember going into the Olympia, they said, 927 00:49:25,716 --> 00:49:28,802 "Dorian ain't competing this year, so the Olympia's wide open." 928 00:49:37,644 --> 00:49:40,606 Flex had been getting second. Kevin had been getting second. 929 00:49:40,689 --> 00:49:42,608 Shawn Ray had been getting second. 930 00:49:42,691 --> 00:49:43,984 Nasser had been getting second. 931 00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:46,528 and I'm like, "Well, I ain't got a prayer." 932 00:49:50,991 --> 00:49:53,452 Leading up to the competition, you know, 933 00:49:53,535 --> 00:49:54,828 it was highly anticipated 934 00:49:54,912 --> 00:49:56,055 because Dorian wasn't there anymore, 935 00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,433 and everyone is, like, trying to see where they're gonna fit in. 936 00:49:58,457 --> 00:50:01,668 There was me, Nasser El Sonbaty, Kevin. 937 00:50:01,752 --> 00:50:04,588 Ronnie Coleman wasn't even on my top six list. 938 00:50:04,671 --> 00:50:08,217 The media at the time, which was only magazines, 939 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,803 was pumping up Flex Wheeler, you know. 940 00:50:11,887 --> 00:50:14,348 Flex Wheeler, you know, Sultan of Symmetry. 941 00:50:14,431 --> 00:50:17,351 Flex Wheeler, you know, '93 Arnold Classic. 942 00:50:17,434 --> 00:50:20,229 You know, '94. You're expecting this. 943 00:50:20,312 --> 00:50:23,440 He managed to go from getting his pro card 944 00:50:23,524 --> 00:50:26,652 to being, you know, the top in Mr. Olympia 945 00:50:26,735 --> 00:50:28,403 all in the same year, and that was just... 946 00:50:28,487 --> 00:50:29,404 that was in '93. 947 00:50:29,488 --> 00:50:32,032 His first pro year he swept through everything. 948 00:50:32,115 --> 00:50:33,575 Every pro show, he won. 949 00:50:33,659 --> 00:50:35,827 And as the Olympia came, 950 00:50:35,911 --> 00:50:39,831 he kinda really expected for that to, one day, 951 00:50:39,915 --> 00:50:42,125 you know, end up on his mantel. 952 00:50:43,794 --> 00:50:47,464 Flex Wheeler, congratulations for winning the Arnold's Classic, 953 00:50:47,548 --> 00:50:50,759 and tell me now, how much did it help you 954 00:50:50,843 --> 00:50:53,136 to come out of this kind of momentum of winning 955 00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:55,889 the Ironman competition a week ago? 956 00:50:55,973 --> 00:50:58,559 I think it played a tremendous influence on me, 957 00:50:58,642 --> 00:51:02,145 especially that that was my first pro... pro debut, 958 00:51:02,229 --> 00:51:04,457 and I won that show, and I think it gave me a little momentum 959 00:51:04,481 --> 00:51:06,900 going into this show, which I think I needed quite a bit. 960 00:51:06,984 --> 00:51:09,862 Flex was always the heir apparent to the title. 961 00:51:09,945 --> 00:51:11,172 Flex Wheeler was definitely looking to be 962 00:51:11,196 --> 00:51:12,948 the heir apparent to the throne. 963 00:51:13,031 --> 00:51:14,700 He was the heir apparent. 964 00:51:14,783 --> 00:51:16,303 Logically, he would be the guy to win. 965 00:51:16,368 --> 00:51:20,372 From that time, he was always destined to be the next guy. 966 00:51:33,135 --> 00:51:36,722 I would've bet millions he would never win the Olympia. 967 00:51:36,805 --> 00:51:38,682 The first five, six years of his career 968 00:51:38,765 --> 00:51:41,935 he was a journeyman pro, had had a good few shows, 969 00:51:42,019 --> 00:51:45,147 but you never really thought he was gonna make the breakthrough. 970 00:51:53,363 --> 00:51:56,158 When I saw him backstage in New York City, 971 00:51:56,241 --> 00:51:58,619 I knew that it was pretty much game over for me. 972 00:51:59,161 --> 00:52:00,537 It was night and day. 973 00:52:00,621 --> 00:52:02,348 There was Ronnie, and then there was everybody else. 974 00:52:02,372 --> 00:52:04,684 We all took off our clothes and went out there to compete. 975 00:52:04,708 --> 00:52:06,460 That's when you knew that it was gonna be 976 00:52:06,543 --> 00:52:07,753 a changing of the guard. 977 00:52:07,836 --> 00:52:11,381 I remember going to the show and being compared 978 00:52:11,465 --> 00:52:13,383 to Flex and Kevin, and, you know, 979 00:52:13,467 --> 00:52:15,886 those guys that had already won. 980 00:52:16,512 --> 00:52:19,097 And a couple times they had put me in the middle, 981 00:52:19,181 --> 00:52:21,433 and I'm like, "Oh, I'm doing pretty good here. 982 00:52:21,517 --> 00:52:22,976 They put me in the middle, 983 00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:24,937 comparing me to the big dogs of the sport." 984 00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:27,898 I think in 1998 the world had never seen 985 00:52:27,981 --> 00:52:30,609 the total package that Ronnie Coleman presented, 986 00:52:30,692 --> 00:52:32,402 and when he presented that package, 987 00:52:32,486 --> 00:52:35,447 he knocked out a bunch of Hall of Fame bodybuilders in their prime. 988 00:52:35,531 --> 00:52:37,950 And although Flex Wheeler thought he was in the hunt, 989 00:52:38,033 --> 00:52:41,370 I don't think he was beating Ronnie Coleman in any of the poses. 990 00:52:41,453 --> 00:52:43,848 My goal was just to place in the top five, you know? 991 00:52:43,872 --> 00:52:46,625 I was like, "Man, if I can just place top five in the Olympia," 992 00:52:46,708 --> 00:52:48,188 you know, "it'd be a dream come true." 993 00:52:48,252 --> 00:52:52,172 And I remember they called, you know, like fifth and sixth, 994 00:52:52,256 --> 00:52:54,341 and I'm still standing there, and they called fourth, 995 00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:56,426 and I'm like, "Oh shucks, I'm doing pretty good." 996 00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:58,804 Third and I'm still standing there. I'm like, "Whoa." 997 00:52:58,887 --> 00:53:02,307 And then I can remember me and Flex standing there, 998 00:53:02,391 --> 00:53:04,017 and they were down to first and second. 999 00:53:04,101 --> 00:53:06,228 I'm like, "Wow." 1000 00:53:06,311 --> 00:53:08,397 I was truly blown away. 1001 00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:11,608 And then Wayne, when he called out second place 1002 00:53:11,692 --> 00:53:13,902 he waited for a long time. 1003 00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:17,531 Flex Wheeler! 1004 00:53:26,164 --> 00:53:31,170 That's when he collapsed, of course, the famous officer down move that he did. 1005 00:53:32,254 --> 00:53:34,756 But I think that got to everybody. 1006 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,760 That made everybody in that theater, Madison Square Garden, warm to this guy. 1007 00:53:38,844 --> 00:53:42,764 Here was a guy, real emotion at taking the sport's top title 1008 00:53:42,848 --> 00:53:44,349 when nobody thought he had a chance. 1009 00:53:44,433 --> 00:53:46,810 It was a Rocky story, you know? 1010 00:53:47,394 --> 00:53:48,854 Everybody was happy for him. 1011 00:53:49,605 --> 00:53:52,900 To be at the top, the best in the whole world, 1012 00:53:52,983 --> 00:53:56,612 you can't get no better feeling in the world than that. 1013 00:54:14,963 --> 00:54:17,799 I suspect somebody cut this one open. 1014 00:54:18,258 --> 00:54:20,594 - Was it you? - Maybe. 1015 00:54:21,553 --> 00:54:23,680 Uh-huh. Okay. 1016 00:54:23,764 --> 00:54:26,725 I want you to know these are very, very expensive. 1017 00:54:26,808 --> 00:54:30,229 You have to just adjust to whether he's going to be here 1018 00:54:30,312 --> 00:54:32,356 or not be here for long periods of time. 1019 00:54:32,439 --> 00:54:35,526 The household is run more or less the same way, 1020 00:54:35,609 --> 00:54:38,278 but there's... I mean, there's a few differences, of course, 1021 00:54:38,362 --> 00:54:41,448 'cause there's one extra person or one less person. 1022 00:54:41,532 --> 00:54:44,493 And I have to buy another one now to get your other ankle. 1023 00:54:46,036 --> 00:54:48,997 At least I gave you money. 1024 00:54:49,081 --> 00:54:50,791 Yes, at least you gave me money. 1025 00:54:51,291 --> 00:54:53,418 Every now and then, it's challenging on me and him, 1026 00:54:53,502 --> 00:54:55,045 but I mean, we're grown-ups. 1027 00:54:55,128 --> 00:54:58,215 We understand this is the way it is and it's okay. 1028 00:54:58,298 --> 00:55:00,050 And, you know, technology helps a lot, 1029 00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:04,346 but it's challenging on the children, the girls. 1030 00:55:04,429 --> 00:55:06,265 You know, 'cause they miss him. 1031 00:55:06,348 --> 00:55:09,810 And as they get older, they understand better, 1032 00:55:09,893 --> 00:55:12,271 you know, he has to go, but he'll be back. 1033 00:55:12,354 --> 00:55:16,692 I just don't really wanna wash the dishes. 1034 00:55:16,775 --> 00:55:20,153 Only if you come outside with me to play. 1035 00:55:20,237 --> 00:55:23,282 - After? - I wash the dishes. 1036 00:55:23,365 --> 00:55:24,365 Deal. 1037 00:55:24,908 --> 00:55:28,829 Lola is the one in black, and she is just like me. 1038 00:55:28,912 --> 00:55:33,125 Suzy, the one in blue, she's emotional like me, 1039 00:55:33,208 --> 00:55:37,296 but, in a weird kinda way, she's analytical like him as well. 1040 00:55:39,506 --> 00:55:40,883 - Lola! - Yes? 1041 00:55:40,966 --> 00:55:43,177 You gonna come to the swing with us? 1042 00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:05,616 Okay, you gonna get in the swing with sister? 1043 00:56:07,326 --> 00:56:08,577 Do you want me to push you? 1044 00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:10,537 - No! - "No!" 1045 00:56:11,496 --> 00:56:13,832 You don't need me to push you. 1046 00:56:13,916 --> 00:56:15,000 - You know why? - Why? 1047 00:56:15,083 --> 00:56:16,960 Because you're strong. 1048 00:56:17,044 --> 00:56:18,044 Strong like Dad. 1049 00:56:19,546 --> 00:56:23,425 One reason we have so many kids is because he and I both love kids. 1050 00:56:23,509 --> 00:56:27,387 You know, when you choose that, it becomes your world, 1051 00:56:27,471 --> 00:56:30,432 and I don't know that you change into a different person, 1052 00:56:30,516 --> 00:56:33,310 or you just evolve into the person you've always been, 1053 00:56:33,393 --> 00:56:36,939 which is the person who cares about the next generation, 1054 00:56:37,022 --> 00:56:38,565 and what happens with them. 1055 00:56:57,251 --> 00:57:00,587 He was a simple country boy from Louisiana 1056 00:57:00,671 --> 00:57:04,758 that came from not having much of a chance 1057 00:57:04,842 --> 00:57:06,426 to dominating the sport. 1058 00:57:08,804 --> 00:57:12,140 Yeah, I mean, Ronnie took it to another level with the size. 1059 00:57:12,224 --> 00:57:14,768 He was metamorphosizing into something 1060 00:57:14,852 --> 00:57:16,436 that we'd never seen before. 1061 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,189 Ronnie Coleman had reached a point 1062 00:57:19,273 --> 00:57:22,234 where he didn't look human backstage. 1063 00:57:22,317 --> 00:57:25,988 Lee Haney already had the record about numbers. 1064 00:57:26,071 --> 00:57:27,757 He had eight Mr. Olympias. Ronnie matched that. 1065 00:57:27,781 --> 00:57:29,467 The guys that got second to Lee Haney, 1066 00:57:29,491 --> 00:57:31,285 when you stacked them up against the guys 1067 00:57:31,368 --> 00:57:34,204 that were getting second to Ronnie Coleman, um... 1068 00:57:34,288 --> 00:57:36,748 Ronnie Coleman was putting to waste guys 1069 00:57:36,832 --> 00:57:38,292 that arguably could be Mr. Olympia. 1070 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:40,270 I was still working for the police department, too. 1071 00:57:40,294 --> 00:57:42,254 I worked, let's see... 1072 00:57:42,337 --> 00:57:45,007 my first three or four Olympias. 1073 00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:48,218 I worked for the most part until the Olympia came around. 1074 00:57:48,302 --> 00:57:50,363 Olympia came around, I'd take, like, three months off, 1075 00:57:50,387 --> 00:57:52,097 and get ready for the show. 1076 00:57:52,181 --> 00:57:53,891 I didn't go to work or nothing. 1077 00:57:53,974 --> 00:57:56,094 I didn't even know he was a cop for a long, long time. 1078 00:57:57,102 --> 00:57:58,580 You know, until he started beating me. 1079 00:57:58,604 --> 00:58:01,023 So, yeah, it brought a lot of attention to... 1080 00:58:01,732 --> 00:58:03,442 to him, and... 1081 00:58:03,525 --> 00:58:06,695 what he was as a person, and as a man, you know. 1082 00:58:06,778 --> 00:58:10,032 You couldn't beat him in size, couldn't beat him in condition, 1083 00:58:10,115 --> 00:58:13,243 and, you know, when you're just really feeling yourself, 1084 00:58:13,327 --> 00:58:15,078 I mean, you know... 1085 00:58:15,162 --> 00:58:17,623 peacock strutting with his tail... all his feathers out. 1086 00:58:17,706 --> 00:58:20,459 I think once he tasted victory, he didn't wanna taste defeat, 1087 00:58:20,542 --> 00:58:22,669 and that can move mountains as well. 1088 00:58:22,753 --> 00:58:25,380 People wanted to have that size. 1089 00:58:25,464 --> 00:58:28,717 People wanted to adopt what he has adopted 1090 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,344 through his physique. 1091 00:58:30,427 --> 00:58:32,846 The Mr. Olympia, for Ronnie Coleman's confidence, 1092 00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:35,849 was exactly what I think he needed 1093 00:58:35,933 --> 00:58:39,978 to cement and put the ribbon around who he was. 1094 00:58:40,062 --> 00:58:42,189 I mean, because it's like winning the lottery, 1095 00:58:42,272 --> 00:58:43,524 but lottery's luck. 1096 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:56,578 When I first started competing, I was 215, my first... when I turned pro. 1097 00:58:56,662 --> 00:58:58,580 When I won my seventh Olympia 1098 00:58:58,664 --> 00:59:01,875 I was 296, almost 300 pounds. 1099 00:59:02,459 --> 00:59:06,004 So I went from 215 to almost 300. 1100 00:59:08,966 --> 00:59:10,384 It was like a gradual thing. 1101 00:59:10,467 --> 00:59:12,302 I was getting bigger year by year, 1102 00:59:12,386 --> 00:59:15,138 so you couldn't really see a whole lot of size 1103 00:59:15,222 --> 00:59:16,473 come on me at one time. 1104 00:59:16,557 --> 00:59:20,060 But I do remember the first time I hit 300, 1105 00:59:20,143 --> 00:59:21,436 'cause I couldn't bend over. 1106 00:59:23,605 --> 00:59:25,190 The bigger Ronnie Coleman, years later, 1107 00:59:25,274 --> 00:59:28,652 was not the quality Ronnie Coleman that won in New York in '98. 1108 00:59:28,735 --> 00:59:30,696 But the judges saw it differently, 1109 00:59:30,779 --> 00:59:33,699 that Ronnie Coleman was just too big and too muscular, 1110 00:59:33,782 --> 00:59:37,369 and that's, I think, the turning point in our sport where they started 1111 00:59:37,452 --> 00:59:39,913 over-rewarding size over quality. 1112 00:59:39,997 --> 00:59:43,834 When he started getting bigger, started just losing that look, 1113 00:59:43,917 --> 00:59:47,880 that small waist, and he just got too thick, 1114 00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:49,214 which I think was a mistake. 1115 00:59:49,298 --> 00:59:52,259 Sometimes he was heavier and bigger and blockier, 1116 00:59:52,342 --> 00:59:56,138 but he was on such another level in terms of the muscle size. 1117 00:59:56,221 --> 00:59:59,183 Ronnie Coleman, you know, still won the eight Olympias, 1118 00:59:59,266 --> 01:00:03,353 but it was questionable on the last two Olympias that he won, 1119 01:00:03,437 --> 01:00:05,147 or the last Olympia that he won. 1120 01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:09,151 Ronnie was starting to get a little heavier than what he, uh... 1121 01:00:09,234 --> 01:00:10,569 what was best for his physique. 1122 01:00:10,652 --> 01:00:13,155 His Olympia look wasn't as great. 1123 01:00:13,238 --> 01:00:15,657 It was 2001, and I did the Arnold Classic, 1124 01:00:16,825 --> 01:00:19,703 and I decided I was gonna do the Olympia that same year. 1125 01:00:19,786 --> 01:00:23,207 The night before the show, I'm getting tanned. 1126 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:27,211 My girlfriend is putting my tan on, and we're in the bathroom. 1127 01:00:27,294 --> 01:00:29,296 All of a sudden, I just faint. 1128 01:00:29,379 --> 01:00:32,966 And I've never in my whole life fainted before. 1129 01:00:33,634 --> 01:00:36,303 And I wake up, I'm in the tub, you know. 1130 01:00:36,386 --> 01:00:37,304 I'm like, "What happened?" 1131 01:00:37,387 --> 01:00:38,722 They're like, "You fainted." 1132 01:00:38,805 --> 01:00:40,057 I'm like, "What?" 1133 01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:43,143 I've never... this has never happened to me before. 1134 01:00:43,227 --> 01:00:46,688 The next morning when I wake up to get out of bed, 1135 01:00:47,397 --> 01:00:50,150 I'm so tired, I'm so exhausted, 1136 01:00:50,234 --> 01:00:51,860 I can't get out of bed. 1137 01:00:53,028 --> 01:00:55,656 I know how I'm supposed to feel, you know, the morning of the show 1138 01:00:55,739 --> 01:00:57,491 and I'm always very energetic, 1139 01:00:57,574 --> 01:00:59,177 and I'm ready to go, and I'm ready to fight, 1140 01:00:59,201 --> 01:01:00,452 and I'm ready to get it on. 1141 01:01:00,536 --> 01:01:03,705 This morning, I'm very exhausted, 1142 01:01:03,789 --> 01:01:06,542 I can't get out of bed, I'm so tired. 1143 01:01:06,625 --> 01:01:10,796 I'm so tired to the point that I actually feel like I'm about to die. 1144 01:01:10,879 --> 01:01:13,090 So I call my nutritionist, I say, "Hey, dude." 1145 01:01:14,049 --> 01:01:17,344 "Hey, the show is over with for me," you know? 1146 01:01:17,427 --> 01:01:18,637 "I'm going to the hospital." 1147 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,180 He's like, "No, man, don't do that. 1148 01:01:20,264 --> 01:01:22,182 You put too much work into this." 1149 01:01:22,266 --> 01:01:24,393 He's like, "Just grab a gallon of water 1150 01:01:24,476 --> 01:01:26,144 and just drink as much as you can 1151 01:01:26,228 --> 01:01:27,980 until you feel like you're okay." 1152 01:01:28,063 --> 01:01:30,482 So, I'm like, "Okay." So that's what I did. 1153 01:01:30,566 --> 01:01:32,609 I grabbed a gallon of water. 1154 01:01:32,693 --> 01:01:34,253 I think I drank about the whole gallon, 1155 01:01:34,278 --> 01:01:35,863 you know, that morning, 1156 01:01:35,946 --> 01:01:37,823 uh, for the morning show. 1157 01:01:37,906 --> 01:01:39,676 And by the time I finished that gallon of water 1158 01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:41,702 I felt pretty good, and I'm like, "Okay, 1159 01:01:41,785 --> 01:01:45,414 I'm all right now. I'm back to my old self." 1160 01:01:45,497 --> 01:01:48,375 He's at the top, being Mr. Olympia, 1161 01:01:48,458 --> 01:01:50,919 and then there was guys like Jay Cutler who was chasing him. 1162 01:01:51,003 --> 01:01:53,797 I went into the Mr. Olympia every year thinking I was gonna win. 1163 01:01:53,881 --> 01:01:54,882 I never had a doubt. 1164 01:01:54,965 --> 01:01:57,801 He was an obstacle for... 1165 01:01:57,885 --> 01:01:59,761 I was trying to be the best in the world. 1166 01:01:59,845 --> 01:02:01,722 You know, and Ronnie was standing in my way. 1167 01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:03,867 So every year it was a battle against Ronnie Coleman. 1168 01:02:03,891 --> 01:02:06,643 I didn't give a shit about anyone else but Ronnie Coleman 1169 01:02:06,727 --> 01:02:11,565 because I knew that was the only guy that could possibly beat me. 1170 01:02:11,648 --> 01:02:14,818 In 2001, a lot of people thought Jay Cutler had beaten him, 1171 01:02:14,902 --> 01:02:18,488 and he beat him based on the dryness and the hardness 1172 01:02:18,572 --> 01:02:22,117 of his frame, but the judges saw it differently, 1173 01:02:22,201 --> 01:02:24,912 that Ronnie Coleman was just too big and too muscular. 1174 01:02:24,995 --> 01:02:27,581 Jay was sort of satisfied that he'd made the big breakthrough. 1175 01:02:27,664 --> 01:02:28,957 I thought he'd won. 1176 01:02:29,041 --> 01:02:31,168 When I landed that second place in 2001, 1177 01:02:31,251 --> 01:02:33,646 I was highly disappointed, even though I may not have shown it on stage, 1178 01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:37,216 because I put a lot of effort into training for that contest. 1179 01:02:37,299 --> 01:02:39,635 The policeman out of Arlington, Texas, 1180 01:02:39,718 --> 01:02:41,178 Ronnie Coleman. 1181 01:02:41,261 --> 01:02:44,973 Jay Cutler has to wonder what he has to do to upset the champion. 1182 01:02:55,025 --> 01:02:57,086 When I looked at this house, I fell in love with it. 1183 01:02:57,110 --> 01:02:58,445 It was brand-new. 1184 01:02:58,529 --> 01:03:00,697 I moved here in '96, 21 years. 1185 01:03:01,573 --> 01:03:04,117 I paid cash for it when I won my first Olympia. 1186 01:03:05,077 --> 01:03:06,638 I notice you have your own gym here, right? 1187 01:03:06,662 --> 01:03:08,830 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wanna check it out? 1188 01:03:08,914 --> 01:03:09,914 Yeah. 1189 01:03:14,378 --> 01:03:16,964 Everything that I used at Metroflex I put in here. 1190 01:03:17,631 --> 01:03:20,759 My hack squat, my leg extension, leg curl. 1191 01:03:20,843 --> 01:03:22,970 My calf machine over there. 1192 01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:27,724 I got a decline, I got an incline, 1193 01:03:27,808 --> 01:03:29,226 and I got a flat bench. 1194 01:03:31,979 --> 01:03:34,314 It start at 5, and go all the way up to 200. 1195 01:03:34,398 --> 01:03:36,817 I even put a T-bar row here. 1196 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,361 My legs are still numb so I can't go heavy. 1197 01:03:39,444 --> 01:03:40,571 I do light, so... 1198 01:03:40,654 --> 01:03:44,032 They'd call the police on me all the time when I used to work out. 1199 01:03:45,117 --> 01:03:47,035 'Cause I'd be... I'd be loud. 1200 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,371 Duke, this way. Let's go. 1201 01:04:30,662 --> 01:04:32,497 It's hot in here. 1202 01:04:41,381 --> 01:04:43,258 Yeah. 1203 01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:51,225 Remember I told you we had the gas, uh... 1204 01:04:52,351 --> 01:04:53,477 stealing out of the cars. 1205 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,895 We got this monitor right here. 1206 01:04:55,479 --> 01:04:57,189 - Oh, yeah? - Uh-huh, yeah. 1207 01:04:57,272 --> 01:05:00,275 The, uh, lights down there, they come on at night. 1208 01:05:01,443 --> 01:05:04,488 You walk past and it lights up the whole thing down there. 1209 01:05:09,034 --> 01:05:11,537 The day that Jay Cutler actually beat Ronnie Coleman, 1210 01:05:11,620 --> 01:05:13,830 you could hear a collective... 1211 01:05:13,914 --> 01:05:15,249 passing of the torch. 1212 01:05:15,332 --> 01:05:18,752 The crowd shift, it just really went straight to Jay. 1213 01:05:18,836 --> 01:05:22,172 I think a lot of people were making up for the 2001 victory 1214 01:05:22,256 --> 01:05:23,936 that Jay should've got that he didn't get. 1215 01:05:23,966 --> 01:05:25,551 People were cheering for the upset. 1216 01:05:25,634 --> 01:05:27,636 We'd seen so much of Ronnie Coleman 1217 01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,179 that eventually, like Mike Tyson, 1218 01:05:29,263 --> 01:05:31,682 you tune in to hopefully see the champ get knocked out. 1219 01:05:34,977 --> 01:05:37,896 The younger version of you is lurking out there somewhere, 1220 01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:40,983 and, you know, you're gonna meet that hellfire person. 1221 01:05:41,066 --> 01:05:42,359 So, it happens. 1222 01:05:42,442 --> 01:05:44,069 I was fed up. 1223 01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:47,549 I wasn't sure how much longer I could keep getting second place, 1224 01:05:47,573 --> 01:05:50,158 and my whole family came out. 1225 01:05:50,242 --> 01:05:51,553 You know, I always had my family there, 1226 01:05:51,577 --> 01:05:54,496 my brothers, sisters, everyone came out, family friends. 1227 01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,082 I think I bought 100 tickets that event, that year. 1228 01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,251 Ronnie came in off. 1229 01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:01,086 Ronnie doubted himself that night. 1230 01:06:01,837 --> 01:06:06,175 And I remember being backstage and seeing it, you know, unfold. 1231 01:06:06,258 --> 01:06:08,427 You know, when you compete at that level, 1232 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:11,555 you can kind of sense and see. 1233 01:06:12,014 --> 01:06:13,682 You get to know people's personalities 1234 01:06:13,765 --> 01:06:15,726 and their approach and everything, 1235 01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:18,729 and Ronnie just showed up as a different Ronnie that night. 1236 01:06:19,479 --> 01:06:23,358 Ronnie was going for nine and didn't get nine. 1237 01:06:23,442 --> 01:06:24,818 Jay Cutler beat him. 1238 01:06:24,902 --> 01:06:26,653 The Olympia gold medal 1239 01:06:26,737 --> 01:06:30,365 to the 2006 Mr. Olympia... 1240 01:06:33,452 --> 01:06:35,495 ...Jay Cutler! 1241 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,085 When Jay knocked out the champ, it validated years of work 1242 01:06:42,169 --> 01:06:43,769 that Ronnie Coleman had done before him. 1243 01:06:43,795 --> 01:06:46,215 And there's not a champion out there that's not susceptible 1244 01:06:46,298 --> 01:06:47,978 to getting knocked out, and getting beaten. 1245 01:06:48,008 --> 01:06:49,843 We've seen it happen. We saw Mike Tyson lose, 1246 01:06:49,927 --> 01:06:52,930 we saw Muhammad Ali lose, 1247 01:06:53,013 --> 01:06:55,891 and we saw Ronnie Coleman lose to Jay. 1248 01:06:57,684 --> 01:07:01,146 The night I beat Ronnie, 2006, it was a flash. 1249 01:07:01,813 --> 01:07:05,025 He knew he was gonna lose, and I think he didn't think that 1250 01:07:05,108 --> 01:07:06,693 until the very end, 1251 01:07:06,777 --> 01:07:08,529 because he was Ronnie Coleman. 1252 01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:10,864 He hadn't lost in a very long time. 1253 01:07:10,948 --> 01:07:14,409 I thought it was pretty much automatic that I was gonna win number nine, 1254 01:07:14,493 --> 01:07:17,246 because I had won, like, eight in a row, so like, 1255 01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:20,165 you know, you come up for number nine, and, like, okay... 1256 01:07:20,249 --> 01:07:22,835 Those eight were... you know, I worked hard for 'em. 1257 01:07:22,918 --> 01:07:26,088 So I'm thinking, you know, number nine's just gonna be a breeze. 1258 01:07:26,505 --> 01:07:29,550 I won on that stage, and it was the first time in history 1259 01:07:29,633 --> 01:07:32,845 that a Mr. Olympia was beaten on that stage. 1260 01:07:33,345 --> 01:07:35,472 When Ronnie Coleman was beaten by Jay Cutler, 1261 01:07:35,556 --> 01:07:37,075 it took a little bit of the shine off. 1262 01:07:37,099 --> 01:07:41,395 I can only imagine Ronnie Coleman being Mr. Olympia for, like, eight times. 1263 01:07:41,478 --> 01:07:44,022 And then he loses to a guy that he was routinely beating 1264 01:07:44,106 --> 01:07:45,983 in head-to-head competition. 1265 01:07:46,525 --> 01:07:50,362 In the end, it was... It happened, you know? Jay took him, 1266 01:07:50,445 --> 01:07:52,114 but that wasn't Ronnie at his best. 1267 01:07:52,197 --> 01:07:55,158 You know, the injuries had shown up, and, you know, 1268 01:07:55,242 --> 01:07:57,452 he was battle-worn by that time. 1269 01:07:57,536 --> 01:07:59,496 I didn't beat the best Ronnie Coleman ever. 1270 01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:02,040 I don't want people ever to think like, "Oh, well, 1271 01:08:02,124 --> 01:08:03,810 Ronnie was at his best and Jay was at his best." 1272 01:08:03,834 --> 01:08:04,877 That's not the case. 1273 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,545 I just was better that day. 1274 01:08:06,628 --> 01:08:07,921 You know, time was creeping up, 1275 01:08:08,005 --> 01:08:10,048 he was going for his record number nine. 1276 01:08:10,132 --> 01:08:12,009 Lot of publicity going into the show. 1277 01:08:12,092 --> 01:08:13,635 But I felt bad for Ronnie. 1278 01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:16,346 I felt bad winning, which is weird. 1279 01:08:17,806 --> 01:08:20,058 Because, you know, he was... it was everything to him, 1280 01:08:20,142 --> 01:08:22,102 you know, and he was going for number nine. 1281 01:08:22,186 --> 01:08:24,188 It was the record, it'd beat Lee Haney's record. 1282 01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:28,233 And he was upset, you know? He was visually upset. 1283 01:08:45,083 --> 01:08:46,710 My name is Mike Hisey. 1284 01:08:46,793 --> 01:08:49,087 I'm an orthopedic surgeon with the Texas Back Institute 1285 01:08:49,171 --> 01:08:50,531 and I specialize in spine surgery. 1286 01:08:50,964 --> 01:08:54,051 So, Ronnie came to me from a friend of mine who has known him, 1287 01:08:54,134 --> 01:08:55,862 and has worked out with Ronnie for years and years. 1288 01:08:55,886 --> 01:08:58,013 And when he had a particular problem with his back 1289 01:08:58,096 --> 01:09:00,933 that Rob knew that I knew how to operate on, 1290 01:09:01,016 --> 01:09:02,476 he referred Ronnie to me. 1291 01:09:02,559 --> 01:09:05,395 And it's an advanced stage of, really, degeneration, 1292 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,606 wear and tear, and it's from all of the weight 1293 01:09:07,689 --> 01:09:09,209 he's been putting through his back over the years. 1294 01:09:09,233 --> 01:09:11,360 So it had worn out the discs. 1295 01:09:11,443 --> 01:09:14,988 And he had had operations before I met him 1296 01:09:15,072 --> 01:09:17,115 to try and unpinch some of the nerves and make room 1297 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,201 for the nerves, and then ultimately an attempt 1298 01:09:19,284 --> 01:09:22,120 at trying to hold the bones still that didn't heal up. 1299 01:09:22,204 --> 01:09:25,707 So, we tried to do another operation to get him to heal up 1300 01:09:25,791 --> 01:09:27,543 and try and improve his alignment. 1301 01:09:27,626 --> 01:09:29,670 These are the artificial hips now, 1302 01:09:29,753 --> 01:09:30,772 they were already in by the time I met him. 1303 01:09:30,796 --> 01:09:32,381 Here's one of them and the other. 1304 01:09:33,006 --> 01:09:35,133 And then you can see the screws, 1305 01:09:35,217 --> 01:09:37,886 and you can see how collapsed this disc is. 1306 01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:39,805 We were able to lift it up some. 1307 01:09:39,888 --> 01:09:41,890 Got his alignment a little bit better. 1308 01:09:41,974 --> 01:09:43,809 Now he's got this spacer in here. 1309 01:09:43,892 --> 01:09:46,228 This is lifted up. We were able to get that one lifted up. 1310 01:09:46,311 --> 01:09:48,063 You see how collapsed this one is. 1311 01:09:48,146 --> 01:09:50,666 We weren't able to get this one pulled back as far as I'd hoped, 1312 01:09:51,191 --> 01:09:52,460 but some, and this looks like it's... 1313 01:09:52,484 --> 01:09:54,003 on the CAT scan, it looks like it's healed. 1314 01:09:54,027 --> 01:09:55,839 We were able to get the nerves unpinched at that level. 1315 01:09:55,863 --> 01:09:59,700 Disc is okay, but the joint is wearing to some degree. 1316 01:10:00,242 --> 01:10:02,369 We see this all the time. Not all of our patients 1317 01:10:02,452 --> 01:10:04,121 are competitive bodybuilders. 1318 01:10:04,204 --> 01:10:08,250 It's a common problem, but he puts himself at higher risk. 1319 01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:09,561 You know, some of the people are gonna get it 1320 01:10:09,585 --> 01:10:11,003 because of their genetics. 1321 01:10:11,879 --> 01:10:14,256 It's years, miles, and your activity. 1322 01:10:14,339 --> 01:10:16,717 And his activity, I think, is what put him at the risk, 1323 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,596 and it's what he lives for. 1324 01:10:20,679 --> 01:10:23,515 So, we're just taking care of it. 1325 01:10:23,599 --> 01:10:27,895 Doctor said he's gonna go in and perform a surgery 1326 01:10:27,978 --> 01:10:30,856 in which he's gonna take out the screws, 'cause... 1327 01:10:30,939 --> 01:10:33,734 uh, from that nerve block shot that I had. 1328 01:10:33,817 --> 01:10:35,569 The pain went away for a whole day, 1329 01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:39,072 and that showed that the hardware 1330 01:10:39,156 --> 01:10:40,574 was causing the pain, those screws. 1331 01:10:41,408 --> 01:10:44,870 Screw was just there just to hold the fusion in place. 1332 01:10:44,953 --> 01:10:46,330 They fused my discs together. 1333 01:10:46,413 --> 01:10:48,332 They've been there almost two years. 1334 01:10:48,415 --> 01:10:49,958 They've pretty much done their job. 1335 01:10:50,042 --> 01:10:52,127 All they're doing now is just causing me pain. 1336 01:10:52,211 --> 01:10:53,730 He's still working out, obviously. 1337 01:10:53,754 --> 01:10:56,089 - He's still in the gym. - I don't think he'll ever stop. 1338 01:10:56,173 --> 01:10:58,425 And do you think that's a positive thing? 1339 01:10:58,509 --> 01:11:00,093 Would you recommend it, or not? 1340 01:11:00,177 --> 01:11:03,222 If I had to pick, just for his back, it's probably not the best thing. 1341 01:11:03,305 --> 01:11:06,975 But for his overall well-being, I think he needs to. 1342 01:11:07,976 --> 01:11:09,579 Step in the room, we'll check out your nerves and stuff. 1343 01:11:09,603 --> 01:11:11,456 - Yeah, yeah. - Where's your wife today? 1344 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,690 She's got the kids. 1345 01:11:13,774 --> 01:11:15,094 Just scooch on back there. 1346 01:11:17,069 --> 01:11:19,255 - Put these here. - Lift your big toes up for me. 1347 01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,490 Hold 'em up real strong. Real strong. 1348 01:11:21,573 --> 01:11:22,407 You're a little weak on this one still. 1349 01:11:22,491 --> 01:11:24,284 Yeah, that one's real weak. 1350 01:11:25,452 --> 01:11:27,555 Okay, push down strong, down towards the floor, strong. 1351 01:11:27,579 --> 01:11:29,957 That's much better. How 'bout hold it up straight. 1352 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,292 Hold that up real strong. Straight, straight, straight. 1353 01:11:33,001 --> 01:11:35,321 Hold this one up real strong. Straight, straight, straight. 1354 01:11:35,379 --> 01:11:37,214 - Oh, that's gotten so much better. - Yeah. 1355 01:11:37,297 --> 01:11:39,716 That's gotten so much better. So much better. 1356 01:11:40,384 --> 01:11:42,511 Yeah, that's perfect. Now, let me just... 1357 01:11:44,471 --> 01:11:46,533 - That may not come back. - That ain't gonna come back. 1358 01:11:46,557 --> 01:11:47,891 That may not come back. 1359 01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:50,602 That ain't worked in some... a whole lot of years. 1360 01:11:50,686 --> 01:11:53,146 Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that one work. 1361 01:11:53,230 --> 01:11:54,648 I don't think this one does either. 1362 01:11:54,731 --> 01:11:55,983 No, no, no. 1363 01:11:56,066 --> 01:11:58,044 Yeah, he's an amazing guy in terms of being able to 1364 01:11:58,068 --> 01:12:00,153 work through things. 1365 01:12:00,237 --> 01:12:03,282 But, with this operation, with as much time as we had to spend, 1366 01:12:03,365 --> 01:12:06,326 it's not uncommon that weakness on the leg on the side we go in. 1367 01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,912 And, so he had that, and that's been getting better, 1368 01:12:08,996 --> 01:12:11,290 but it certainly was an issue for him early on, post-op. 1369 01:12:12,082 --> 01:12:16,545 I don't think he's done with treating his back by any means, 1370 01:12:16,628 --> 01:12:17,504 but I think he's on his way. 1371 01:12:17,588 --> 01:12:19,315 His recovery, I think, is better than average 1372 01:12:19,339 --> 01:12:20,966 for what he had to start with. 1373 01:12:21,049 --> 01:12:22,426 It's not perfect. 1374 01:12:22,509 --> 01:12:25,512 There may come a time when he wants to try and get it a little bit better, 1375 01:12:25,596 --> 01:12:26,948 in which case we might extend it up 1376 01:12:26,972 --> 01:12:28,724 and get a few more levels above or below 1377 01:12:28,807 --> 01:12:31,518 to correct his overall alignment. 1378 01:12:31,602 --> 01:12:33,037 I don't think it's gonna do anything about 1379 01:12:33,061 --> 01:12:34,941 getting strength back, but it may help with pain 1380 01:12:35,022 --> 01:12:37,107 and it may help him stand up a little bit taller. 1381 01:12:42,946 --> 01:12:46,283 What happened was, they put in four screws 1382 01:12:46,825 --> 01:12:49,870 'cause the discs were shifting forward 1383 01:12:49,953 --> 01:12:51,705 and pushing up against my nerves. 1384 01:12:51,788 --> 01:12:54,082 So they had to clamp them together, 1385 01:12:54,166 --> 01:12:56,084 and they used these screws. 1386 01:12:56,168 --> 01:12:58,545 Anyway, those screws ended up breaking. 1387 01:12:58,629 --> 01:13:01,381 And in the process of breaking, they broke bones in my back. 1388 01:13:01,465 --> 01:13:03,926 You know, and then the pain got so bad 1389 01:13:04,009 --> 01:13:05,427 where I couldn't even walk. 1390 01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:07,054 Hey, guys! What's going on? 1391 01:13:07,137 --> 01:13:10,182 Big Ron here, coming live to you from the... 1392 01:13:10,265 --> 01:13:13,060 what I deem my... Ronnie Coleman recovery center. 1393 01:13:13,143 --> 01:13:15,497 You know, a lot of people that go through this kind of surgery 1394 01:13:15,521 --> 01:13:18,815 tend to have the mindset that they may be in a wheelchair, 1395 01:13:18,899 --> 01:13:21,443 and they say people like that, who... 1396 01:13:21,527 --> 01:13:23,737 eventually do go to wheelchair, never get out. 1397 01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:25,072 And they could, 1398 01:13:25,155 --> 01:13:27,699 but it's just a mental... 1399 01:13:27,783 --> 01:13:31,453 you know, thing that they have. And it's never occurred to Ronnie. 1400 01:13:33,705 --> 01:13:35,040 I'm ready to take off. 1401 01:13:35,123 --> 01:13:36,810 I'm gonna take off in flight in a second here. 1402 01:13:36,834 --> 01:13:38,353 Put some nitrous on that wheelchair. 1403 01:13:41,713 --> 01:13:44,424 So I stayed in the hospital for like a whole month, 1404 01:13:44,508 --> 01:13:48,303 trying to get better, and trying to deal with the pain. 1405 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,767 And this is what I get early in the morning 1406 01:13:53,851 --> 01:13:55,060 for the next day's meal. 1407 01:13:55,143 --> 01:13:57,771 I'll be having cranberry juice. 1408 01:13:57,855 --> 01:14:01,483 It was real bad, you know? But I made it through all that. 1409 01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:05,153 I started out in a wheelchair, did that for a while. 1410 01:14:05,237 --> 01:14:08,824 Then I graduated to a walker, did that for a while. 1411 01:14:08,907 --> 01:14:11,910 And then I got to the point where I got the crutches. 1412 01:14:11,994 --> 01:14:14,371 Doing that for a while, and I'm still on crutches, 1413 01:14:14,454 --> 01:14:17,875 but, for the most part, I can walk around the house, 1414 01:14:17,958 --> 01:14:19,626 like short distances, 1415 01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:21,521 but I use the crutches for like when I have to walk 1416 01:14:21,545 --> 01:14:25,132 for like long distances and stuff like that, so... 1417 01:14:25,215 --> 01:14:27,384 I say I've come a long way. 1418 01:15:00,876 --> 01:15:03,045 The six and seven-year-old, 1419 01:15:03,128 --> 01:15:05,923 they're kinda like figure skaters, both of them. 1420 01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:09,426 Susan, of course, she's a lot older, 1421 01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:11,303 so she's a national level competitor. 1422 01:15:19,186 --> 01:15:21,104 This family comes first. 1423 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,483 We're the ones he chose. 1424 01:15:46,338 --> 01:15:47,506 - Lo-lo. - What? 1425 01:15:47,589 --> 01:15:49,842 - Give me huggie? - No. 1426 01:15:51,385 --> 01:15:55,013 He's very good with them. He's very patient. 1427 01:16:22,875 --> 01:16:25,419 Quitting too soon, you might have regrets. 1428 01:16:25,502 --> 01:16:28,005 Lee Haney was 31 years old, but he had 8 Sandows, 1429 01:16:28,088 --> 01:16:31,425 nothing else to prove, and he was able to turn the page. 1430 01:16:31,508 --> 01:16:33,802 The majority of the guys are gonna go out of this sport 1431 01:16:33,886 --> 01:16:35,929 a loser, so how do you go out, you know? 1432 01:16:36,013 --> 01:16:38,640 I think Ronnie's one of those guys that would go out fighting. 1433 01:16:41,643 --> 01:16:46,315 With Ronnie, win or lose, he always was always the same, you know? 1434 01:16:46,398 --> 01:16:49,109 And he's always been very humble like that, 1435 01:16:49,193 --> 01:16:51,195 and, you know, I can appreciate who he is 1436 01:16:51,278 --> 01:16:53,572 because that's what makes a champion, is... 1437 01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,699 someone that can stand on all stages 1438 01:16:55,782 --> 01:16:58,702 and be thankful for every gift that they're given, 1439 01:16:58,785 --> 01:17:01,622 and indirectly affect a lot of people. 1440 01:17:01,705 --> 01:17:06,835 I didn't wanna see Ronnie Coleman get on stage in 2007. 1441 01:17:06,919 --> 01:17:09,796 I didn't wanna see him push and not get rewarded. 1442 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,966 It's hard to advise bodybuilders of that caliber 1443 01:17:13,050 --> 01:17:14,370 what they should or shouldn't do, 1444 01:17:14,426 --> 01:17:16,887 because they are in control of their careers. 1445 01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:19,181 But I think Ronnie Coleman did what was best for him. 1446 01:17:19,264 --> 01:17:21,659 If there was a way for him to compete tomorrow, or next week, 1447 01:17:21,683 --> 01:17:23,268 or this year, Ronnie Coleman, 1448 01:17:23,352 --> 01:17:25,163 I don't think any of us would stop him from doing it. 1449 01:17:25,187 --> 01:17:27,356 Thank God he's not a boxer, because he'd probably be, 1450 01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,233 you know, brain dead. 1451 01:17:29,316 --> 01:17:33,320 People, they know the type of talent, and they know how hard I worked, 1452 01:17:33,403 --> 01:17:36,990 and they know I put my all and all into it. 1453 01:17:37,074 --> 01:17:39,618 You know, I don't have any regrets about it, you know, so. 1454 01:17:39,701 --> 01:17:43,664 Everybody said, "Oh, what a shame. That's how we'll remember him." 1455 01:17:43,747 --> 01:17:46,041 No, you'll remember the eight-time champ. 1456 01:17:46,124 --> 01:17:47,876 Nobody remembers the fourth time. 1457 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,795 Nobody remembers Muhammad Ali, 1458 01:17:49,878 --> 01:17:52,214 last two or three fights, being in shambles. 1459 01:17:52,297 --> 01:17:54,716 They remember the king when he was on top. 1460 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,385 That's how they'll remember Ronnie, 1461 01:17:56,468 --> 01:17:58,846 with that big smile and that personality 1462 01:17:58,929 --> 01:18:00,430 who's got time for everybody, 1463 01:18:00,514 --> 01:18:02,432 who's never turned a fan down. 1464 01:18:02,516 --> 01:18:04,852 I've never seen in a temperamental mood. 1465 01:18:04,935 --> 01:18:06,895 So he's got a great legacy. 1466 01:18:06,979 --> 01:18:09,439 As well as being the best bodybuilder of all time, 1467 01:18:09,523 --> 01:18:11,000 he's one of the most loved, I'm sure. 1468 01:18:40,387 --> 01:18:42,848 Not used to getting up in the morning, you know. 1469 01:18:45,559 --> 01:18:47,352 Takes a minute for me to get going. 1470 01:18:48,604 --> 01:18:50,189 Not really used to it. 1471 01:18:53,192 --> 01:18:54,651 Never get used to it. 1472 01:18:57,988 --> 01:18:59,948 I've been here almost 30 years now. 1473 01:19:05,579 --> 01:19:06,788 Long time. 1474 01:19:07,831 --> 01:19:11,376 Yeah, when I first came here, there was hardly nothing here. 1475 01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:14,129 Weren't that many people or nothing. 1476 01:19:14,213 --> 01:19:18,425 Now, man, it's just doubled in size. 1477 01:19:19,384 --> 01:19:20,427 Just like that. 1478 01:19:21,929 --> 01:19:23,847 They put up houses everywhere, 1479 01:19:23,931 --> 01:19:25,516 do all kinds of stuff. 1480 01:19:25,599 --> 01:19:27,726 Made this place huge. 1481 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:34,691 I came to this city and this gym about the same time. 1482 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,986 It was thirty-something years now. 1483 01:19:39,738 --> 01:19:40,739 Yup. 1484 01:19:54,294 --> 01:19:56,773 - How you feeling, bro? - Same old, same old. You? 1485 01:19:56,797 --> 01:19:58,298 Another day at the office. 1486 01:19:58,382 --> 01:20:01,760 - Little bit cooler this morning. - Yeah, I was surprised. 1487 01:20:01,844 --> 01:20:03,887 Warm yesterday during the day. 1488 01:20:03,971 --> 01:20:06,651 It was warm yesterday. I got up this morning, went outside. 1489 01:20:11,979 --> 01:20:14,523 When I first got out of the hospital, 1490 01:20:14,606 --> 01:20:16,066 both my legs were numb. 1491 01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:20,112 Now I got to the point where just one is numb. 1492 01:20:20,195 --> 01:20:23,657 The numbness is going away slowly. 1493 01:20:23,740 --> 01:20:26,159 I remember when I had my neck done, 1494 01:20:26,243 --> 01:20:28,871 uh, the doctor told me it was gonna take two years 1495 01:20:28,954 --> 01:20:30,581 for the numbness to go away. 1496 01:20:30,664 --> 01:20:33,083 And I remember two years to the date, 1497 01:20:33,166 --> 01:20:35,169 the numbness went away totally. 1498 01:20:35,252 --> 01:20:38,547 So I know that if my neck can recover 1499 01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:40,424 and the numbness can go away there, 1500 01:20:40,507 --> 01:20:44,261 that I can recover, also, in my legs and stuff. 1501 01:20:45,012 --> 01:20:47,598 If somebody embodied what Mr. Olympia was like, 1502 01:20:47,681 --> 01:20:49,841 I think Ronnie Coleman probably loved being Mr. Olympia 1503 01:20:49,892 --> 01:20:52,352 more than anybody else. And I had to be happy for him. 1504 01:20:52,436 --> 01:20:54,188 But Ronnie Coleman took bodybuilding 1505 01:20:54,271 --> 01:20:58,525 to another whole level when it came to size and symmetry. 1506 01:20:58,609 --> 01:21:00,944 Size and symmetry. 1507 01:21:01,028 --> 01:21:03,947 You know, we had someone like Dorian that introduced mass 1508 01:21:04,031 --> 01:21:05,824 into the bodybuilding era, 1509 01:21:05,908 --> 01:21:08,577 but then Ronnie did it with aesthetics as well. 1510 01:21:08,660 --> 01:21:10,704 I don't think there's still been anybody since 1511 01:21:10,787 --> 01:21:14,166 that, you know, brought the same combination 1512 01:21:14,249 --> 01:21:17,461 of size, shape, and condition. 1513 01:21:17,544 --> 01:21:19,230 Not only with a great chest, not only with a great back, 1514 01:21:19,254 --> 01:21:21,798 not only with all those arms and everything... 1515 01:21:21,882 --> 01:21:24,343 shoulders, glute, hamstring. 1516 01:21:24,426 --> 01:21:27,095 It was just unparalleled. 1517 01:21:27,179 --> 01:21:28,639 He just had it all. 1518 01:21:28,722 --> 01:21:32,476 He had the training, he had the crazy diet that was... 1519 01:21:32,559 --> 01:21:35,437 He was able to eat, you know, all these crazy things, 1520 01:21:35,521 --> 01:21:37,231 and be able to still get that kinda shape. 1521 01:21:37,314 --> 01:21:41,026 He brought a lot to the table, you know, and, uh... 1522 01:21:41,109 --> 01:21:44,446 He was the strongest Mr. Olympia of all time. 1523 01:21:46,073 --> 01:21:47,574 Oh, yeah! 1524 01:21:48,492 --> 01:21:50,994 - Keep going! - Yeah, baby! 1525 01:21:59,336 --> 01:22:01,672 Lightweight, baby! 1526 01:22:01,755 --> 01:22:04,424 Yeah! 1527 01:22:04,508 --> 01:22:06,552 Yeah! Lightweight! 1528 01:22:06,635 --> 01:22:08,220 Yeah, baby! 1529 01:22:08,303 --> 01:22:11,098 He was a beast, and, you know, he set a new standard 1530 01:22:11,181 --> 01:22:13,934 for bodybuilding, which, you know, came to my time, 1531 01:22:14,017 --> 01:22:15,894 and I couldn't get as big as him. 1532 01:22:15,978 --> 01:22:19,106 Phil Heath took over, he's not even close to big as Ronnie was. 1533 01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:21,525 You know, they can't compare Phil Heath to Ronnie Coleman. 1534 01:22:21,608 --> 01:22:23,878 Ronnie Coleman was challenged by Hall of Fame bodybuilders, 1535 01:22:23,902 --> 01:22:26,822 and, of course, in Phil Heath era, he's not. 1536 01:22:26,905 --> 01:22:29,199 And I say this today, I still think that 1537 01:22:29,283 --> 01:22:32,828 Ronnie Coleman, at his best, would still win the Mr. Olympia today. 1538 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,675 I don't know if you can say mindfuck, but it's a mindfuck to the max. 1539 01:22:46,758 --> 01:22:52,472 Like, you can't imagine coming from being the upper echelon of your sport 1540 01:22:52,556 --> 01:22:54,766 to not being that anymore, 1541 01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:57,186 and then just having to deal with that part. 1542 01:22:57,269 --> 01:23:00,606 To be on the other side of that is pretty hard, you know? 1543 01:23:01,607 --> 01:23:04,067 I won't lie, I cried the first time. 1544 01:23:05,694 --> 01:23:07,922 You know, I never told him that or anything, but, you know, 1545 01:23:07,946 --> 01:23:11,617 seeing him like... 'cause to me, his strength was supernatural. 1546 01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:15,621 I mean, it was so above and beyond everybody else's. 1547 01:23:16,788 --> 01:23:19,833 You know, it was very, very hard to see that, you know, 1548 01:23:19,917 --> 01:23:21,084 especially when the hips went 1549 01:23:21,168 --> 01:23:23,045 and he had to use a walker and all that. 1550 01:23:23,128 --> 01:23:25,130 That was tough for me. 1551 01:23:25,214 --> 01:23:28,342 And, you know, he got down to, I don't know, 215 pounds 1552 01:23:28,425 --> 01:23:30,844 probably at one point, maybe. You know, 220. 1553 01:23:31,512 --> 01:23:35,098 And I mean, I'd never seen him that small ever, you know? 1554 01:24:30,195 --> 01:24:32,281 - Lola. - Hello. 1555 01:24:34,157 --> 01:24:35,450 Wake up. 1556 01:24:39,121 --> 01:24:40,289 I know. 1557 01:24:47,212 --> 01:24:50,108 The Nuggets whisper up on the Clippers for the eighth spot. 1558 01:24:50,132 --> 01:24:53,177 - Where you at? - About five minutes away. 1559 01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:55,697 - Okay, all right. I was just... - Five minutes away. 1560 01:24:55,721 --> 01:24:58,140 ...making sure you made it okay. 1561 01:24:58,724 --> 01:25:00,535 Oh, yeah. Be there in just a minute. 1562 01:25:00,559 --> 01:25:02,311 - You okay? Doing good? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1563 01:25:02,394 --> 01:25:05,439 I'm all good. Ready to get this over with. 1564 01:25:06,106 --> 01:25:08,251 I heard that, man. Wish it was already done. 1565 01:25:08,275 --> 01:25:09,484 You and me both. 1566 01:25:11,111 --> 01:25:13,238 All right, we'll see you in a minute. 1567 01:25:13,322 --> 01:25:15,157 - All right, big bro. - All right, bye. 1568 01:25:15,908 --> 01:25:18,178 See, this surgery's gonna last only like three hours, 1569 01:25:18,202 --> 01:25:20,162 but the only thing about it is... 1570 01:25:20,704 --> 01:25:22,289 instead of going through my back, 1571 01:25:22,372 --> 01:25:24,124 because I've had so many back surgeries 1572 01:25:24,208 --> 01:25:25,834 and I have so much scar tissue there, 1573 01:25:25,918 --> 01:25:27,395 they've gotta go through the front now. 1574 01:25:27,419 --> 01:25:29,213 In order to go through the front, 1575 01:25:29,296 --> 01:25:32,758 there's all this stuff in the front, you know, to get to the back. 1576 01:25:32,841 --> 01:25:34,718 So he's gotta take out my intestines. 1577 01:25:34,801 --> 01:25:37,721 Gotta take those out to get to the back. 1578 01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,850 So, he said this surgery should last about three hours, 1579 01:25:41,934 --> 01:25:45,103 but the recovery time is gonna be the same as the last surgery. 1580 01:25:45,187 --> 01:25:46,187 Six months again. 1581 01:25:49,650 --> 01:25:51,002 - You made it in, huh? - Of course. 1582 01:25:51,026 --> 01:25:52,528 Yeah, the traffic's always fun. 1583 01:25:52,611 --> 01:25:54,130 You ready to go, ready to do this thing? 1584 01:25:54,154 --> 01:25:56,657 I remember the doctor said when he took a break 1585 01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:58,700 he would always go out and talk to my mom. 1586 01:25:58,784 --> 01:26:00,369 She was there the whole time. 1587 01:26:01,245 --> 01:26:05,666 Unfortunately, she's no longer here 'cause she passed away in August 1588 01:26:05,749 --> 01:26:08,085 from, you know, pancreatic cancer. 1589 01:26:08,168 --> 01:26:10,170 You know, she was always there at all my surgeries. 1590 01:26:10,254 --> 01:26:13,465 So, you know, that's gonna be real hard to go through 1591 01:26:13,549 --> 01:26:15,843 and not have her there, 'cause I'm so used to, 1592 01:26:15,926 --> 01:26:18,011 you know, waking up and seeing her. 1593 01:26:20,430 --> 01:26:21,991 All right, Ronnie. Let's get this thing done. 1594 01:26:22,015 --> 01:26:22,850 Yeah, buddy. 1595 01:26:31,692 --> 01:26:33,777 - We're gonna back you in. - Okay. 1596 01:26:41,827 --> 01:26:43,829 It's very sad, you know? 1597 01:26:43,912 --> 01:26:46,498 It hits hard for me, because... 1598 01:26:46,582 --> 01:26:48,292 remember, I stood next to him, 1599 01:26:48,375 --> 01:26:50,002 and battled him, and, uh... 1600 01:26:50,085 --> 01:26:51,879 I admired the way he trained, 1601 01:26:51,962 --> 01:26:53,297 and sometimes I wish... 1602 01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:54,882 I'd go, "Man, I wish I could do that." 1603 01:26:54,965 --> 01:26:58,218 And now I look at it and say, "Wow," you know... 1604 01:26:58,302 --> 01:26:59,511 You know, "What did it?" 1605 01:26:59,595 --> 01:27:00,804 I don't know the answer, 1606 01:27:00,888 --> 01:27:03,682 'cause Ronnie's not gonna cry about anything. 1607 01:27:03,765 --> 01:27:05,392 That's the thing about Ronnie Coleman. 1608 01:27:05,475 --> 01:27:07,436 He's not gonna make excuses for himself, 1609 01:27:07,519 --> 01:27:09,188 "Well, this is why it happened." 1610 01:27:10,105 --> 01:27:12,900 He'd rather just say... you know, when people say, "Hey..." 1611 01:27:13,442 --> 01:27:14,776 You know, "You're laid up. 1612 01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:16,629 You had this many surgeries. What do you think?" 1613 01:27:16,653 --> 01:27:17,779 He goes, "Well... 1614 01:27:19,031 --> 01:27:21,533 I'm really disappointed I only squatted 800 twice." 1615 01:27:22,618 --> 01:27:24,036 That's just Ronnie. 1616 01:27:24,119 --> 01:27:27,956 Everything negative is a positive to him, and that's why he's great. 1617 01:27:28,832 --> 01:27:31,627 I think I could've got five with 800. 1618 01:27:32,336 --> 01:27:33,462 I could've got five reps. 1619 01:27:33,545 --> 01:27:36,131 I think I could've got five easy reps, 1620 01:27:36,757 --> 01:27:42,596 But I went... I did the 800 squat, and then I went to the leg press 1621 01:27:42,679 --> 01:27:45,807 and I put 2,300 on there, and I got 8 reps. 1622 01:27:45,891 --> 01:27:47,976 So I kinda made up for it there. 1623 01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:52,940 I can't feel sad for Ronnie Coleman, because I knew 1624 01:27:53,023 --> 01:27:55,442 that there would be a price to pay for what he was doing, 1625 01:27:55,526 --> 01:27:57,778 and I think, for him, that price was worth it. 1626 01:27:57,861 --> 01:27:59,214 Ronnie Coleman was one of the few bodybuilders 1627 01:27:59,238 --> 01:28:02,074 that paid his house off, bought his mom a house, 1628 01:28:02,157 --> 01:28:05,827 took care of his entire family, created his own supplement line, 1629 01:28:05,911 --> 01:28:09,081 and had multiple opportunities worldwide 1630 01:28:09,164 --> 01:28:11,041 to see the globe, as a result of what he did. 1631 01:28:11,124 --> 01:28:13,585 So, if this is the price you have to pay, 1632 01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:16,547 I think if you ask Ronnie, he'd say he'd do it again. 1633 01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:18,590 If you ask me, I would say it's foolish. 1634 01:28:18,674 --> 01:28:19,967 I would never do that. 1635 01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:22,094 I don't want any of those Sandow trophies 1636 01:28:22,177 --> 01:28:25,264 to have the body that 53, 54-year-old Ronnie Coleman has. 1637 01:28:25,347 --> 01:28:28,058 It wouldn't be worth it for my lifestyle. 1638 01:28:28,141 --> 01:28:31,353 And that's why you gotta respect the guy, because he could be crying to everyone, 1639 01:28:31,436 --> 01:28:33,063 "Well, I'm so beat up," and, you know, 1640 01:28:33,146 --> 01:28:34,398 "Bodybuilding did this to me," 1641 01:28:34,481 --> 01:28:36,733 but Ronnie's enjoying his time with his kids, 1642 01:28:36,817 --> 01:28:38,986 he's doing his travel still. 1643 01:28:39,069 --> 01:28:42,197 He's making the best of it. He's wheeling in expos in a wheelchair. 1644 01:28:42,281 --> 01:28:44,116 I feel sorry that it happened, 1645 01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:46,159 but I don't think Ronnie feels sorry about it, 1646 01:28:46,243 --> 01:28:48,537 because, you know what? He just did what he had to do 1647 01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:50,539 to be the greatest bodybuilder of all time. 1648 01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:54,126 And he will go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time. 1649 01:29:16,064 --> 01:29:17,482 Hold on tight, Laila. 1650 01:29:31,288 --> 01:29:34,291 I've been bodybuilding for 10 years... 1651 01:29:35,375 --> 01:29:37,336 and I've been working here for 12. 1652 01:29:40,714 --> 01:29:44,968 And the famous question is, "Why do you still work here... 1653 01:29:45,552 --> 01:29:48,305 and you're Mr. Olympia, two-time Mr. Olympia?" 1654 01:29:49,181 --> 01:29:51,308 My answer to that question is, 1655 01:29:51,934 --> 01:29:53,310 "Because I love it." 1656 01:30:23,382 --> 01:30:25,884 I was just in China, you know... 1657 01:30:25,968 --> 01:30:28,428 and, you know, there's a language barrier and everything, 1658 01:30:28,512 --> 01:30:31,390 but whenever I said something like... 1659 01:30:31,473 --> 01:30:33,183 - Lightweight, baby. - Lightweight. 1660 01:30:33,267 --> 01:30:36,395 ..."Lightweight, baby," everybody got it without the interpreter. 1661 01:30:49,575 --> 01:30:51,577 Ronnie took the time to write back to every fan. 1662 01:30:52,327 --> 01:30:53,887 And the people around us would be like, 1663 01:30:53,912 --> 01:30:56,915 "Man, I can't keep up to Ronnie," you know? 1664 01:30:56,999 --> 01:30:58,458 He had everything timed perfect, 1665 01:30:58,542 --> 01:31:00,419 but he would sit and do his emails, like, 1666 01:31:00,502 --> 01:31:03,547 at that super early time of the morning, to every fan. 1667 01:31:30,324 --> 01:31:32,427 I had to throw everything I had from New York, 1668 01:31:32,451 --> 01:31:34,131 and he said the best burgers are in Texas. 1669 01:31:34,161 --> 01:31:35,513 I said, "No way, Ronnie," I took him to... 1670 01:31:35,537 --> 01:31:37,664 I had to take him to Old Homestead. 1671 01:31:37,748 --> 01:31:38,999 I'm just kinda looking at him, 1672 01:31:39,082 --> 01:31:40,959 "Oh, I hope I'm right. I hope... 1673 01:31:41,043 --> 01:31:42,628 I hope I'm right." 1674 01:31:42,711 --> 01:31:45,005 You know, took Mr. Olympia, you know, arguing with him 1675 01:31:45,088 --> 01:31:46,798 on the best burger in Texas. 1676 01:31:46,882 --> 01:31:49,468 So, bites into this burger... 1677 01:31:50,385 --> 01:31:52,554 all he kept saying was, 1678 01:31:52,638 --> 01:31:54,973 "Man, this ain't no burger. 1679 01:31:56,058 --> 01:31:57,684 This ain't no burger!" 1680 01:31:57,768 --> 01:32:00,020 And I was like, "Yes, I think I got him." 1681 01:32:48,068 --> 01:32:53,782 And after years of hard work and struggles, you know, 1682 01:32:53,866 --> 01:32:57,244 I was able to get that Olympia title. 1683 01:32:57,786 --> 01:33:00,956 But, you know, that's not the reason why I got into it. 1684 01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:02,642 The reason why I got into it was 'cause he told me 1685 01:33:02,666 --> 01:33:04,334 he'd give me a free membership.