0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,000 **Like, Share and Follow our Instagram @Layarkaca21indo.id for Support** 1 00:00:07,250 --> 00:00:09,875 However you wanna express yourself, gay or lesbian, 2 00:00:09,959 --> 00:00:11,709 or transgender, or gender queer, 3 00:00:11,792 --> 00:00:13,083 you are beautiful. 4 00:00:15,417 --> 00:00:18,083 ♪ Heaven help me keep falling ♪ 5 00:00:20,583 --> 00:00:23,792 ♪ It's not easy Finding your place ♪ 6 00:00:23,875 --> 00:00:26,291 This could be our opportunity to take control of our lives. 7 00:00:26,583 --> 00:00:29,709 ♪ But if it's not love It'll just break ♪ 8 00:00:29,917 --> 00:00:31,458 ♪ It'll surround you ♪ 9 00:00:31,667 --> 00:00:33,667 You can't stop fighting for the ones you love. 10 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,333 ♪ You can be strong Standing in place ♪ 11 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:37,792 ♪ Knowing you'll break through... ♪ 12 00:00:37,875 --> 00:00:39,875 Please understand, I'm not fighting about bathrooms. 13 00:00:39,959 --> 00:00:41,291 I'm fighting about her life. 14 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:45,542 Well I ask you, can you see me now? 15 00:00:45,834 --> 00:00:48,625 ♪ But if it's love It will find you ♪ 16 00:00:48,959 --> 00:00:51,625 ♪ Give you more to hold onto ♪ 17 00:00:51,709 --> 00:00:54,458 ♪ It will carry the weight ♪ 18 00:00:56,041 --> 00:00:58,875 I like the idea that the world is changing 19 00:00:58,959 --> 00:01:00,834 and I get to be whoever I want. 20 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:03,917 When it comes to war, I fight. 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,250 When it comes to love, I don't choose sides. 22 00:01:09,542 --> 00:01:11,625 (CHEERING) 23 00:01:11,709 --> 00:01:16,000 This is just basic equality. That's all it is. 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 (crowd cheering) 25 00:01:45,083 --> 00:01:47,083 ♪ ♪ 26 00:01:58,041 --> 00:01:59,625 (camera clicks) 27 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,625 (cat meows) 28 00:02:04,667 --> 00:02:06,750 (men chanting) 29 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:14,250 ♪ ♪ 30 00:02:23,208 --> 00:02:24,500 (radio static crackling) 31 00:02:24,583 --> 00:02:26,417 Woman 1: There's no way to get an accurate count of 32 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,667 LGBT suicides in the Mormon community, 33 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:31,542 but we do know that youth suicide rates in Utah, 34 00:02:31,625 --> 00:02:33,959 where a majority of the populous is Mormon, 35 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:35,959 have skyrocketed over the past decade. 36 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:38,625 Man 1: I grew up gay, and Mormon, and in Utah. 37 00:02:38,709 --> 00:02:41,208 In my morning prayers, I would ask that God 38 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:42,959 would do something drastic, like 39 00:02:43,041 --> 00:02:45,000 cause me to die in a car accident 40 00:02:45,083 --> 00:02:48,834 or for me to get cancer or something awful like that. 41 00:02:48,917 --> 00:02:50,291 Woman 2: When the God that you believe in, 42 00:02:50,375 --> 00:02:52,250 and the family that raised you and loves you, 43 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:53,542 when they reject you, 44 00:02:53,625 --> 00:02:55,333 you don't have a lot left to live for. 45 00:02:55,417 --> 00:02:58,500 Man 2: You see the church between kind of a rock and a hard place 46 00:02:58,583 --> 00:03:01,083 when it comes to gay issues. 47 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:03,959 Man 3: We've taken this topic on a number of occasions. 48 00:03:04,041 --> 00:03:06,709 It's not going away. Where do we stand on this? 49 00:03:06,792 --> 00:03:09,000 Man 4: We regard same-sex marriage 50 00:03:09,083 --> 00:03:12,625 as a significant, serious kind of sin. 51 00:03:12,709 --> 00:03:14,375 Man 5: Simply being attracted 52 00:03:14,458 --> 00:03:17,500 to someone of the same gender is not a sin. 53 00:03:17,583 --> 00:03:19,750 It is when we act on 54 00:03:19,834 --> 00:03:21,500 the inclination or the attraction. 55 00:03:21,583 --> 00:03:25,583 Man 6: The church finally said there's nothing wrong with being gay. 56 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:26,792 Woman 3: Yay! 57 00:03:26,875 --> 00:03:28,667 Man 6: As long as you don't do gay stuff! 58 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,500 So, if you're a gay Mormon, 59 00:03:30,583 --> 00:03:33,125 and you're in a relationship with a man, you're fine, 60 00:03:33,208 --> 00:03:35,250 as long as you don't hug him or kiss him 61 00:03:35,333 --> 00:03:36,917 or hold hands with him or have sex with him 62 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,834 or marry him or live with him or be in a relationship with him. 63 00:03:39,917 --> 00:03:42,709 DJ: And today, I'm talking with Las Vegas resident Dan Reynolds, 64 00:03:42,792 --> 00:03:44,959 who is the lead singer of Imagine Dragons. 65 00:03:45,041 --> 00:03:46,333 Reynolds is on a mission 66 00:03:46,417 --> 00:03:48,959 quite apart from his musical career. 67 00:03:49,041 --> 00:03:51,166 He's putting together a documentary examining 68 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:55,125 policies in the Mormon Church regarding the LGBTQ community. 69 00:03:55,208 --> 00:03:57,750 Dan Reynolds, it's great to have you back. 70 00:03:57,834 --> 00:04:00,041 ("Believer" playing) 71 00:04:00,125 --> 00:04:02,375 (crowd cheering) 72 00:04:05,458 --> 00:04:06,709 ♪ First things first ♪ 73 00:04:06,792 --> 00:04:09,750 ♪ I'ma say all the words inside my head ♪ 74 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:13,625 ♪ I'm fired up and tired of the way that things have been ♪ 75 00:04:13,709 --> 00:04:15,125 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 76 00:04:15,208 --> 00:04:17,083 Dan: There are far too many Mormons 77 00:04:17,166 --> 00:04:18,875 in Utah that are taking their lives. 78 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:20,583 And so, this is, 79 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:22,917 this is an issue that needs to be discussed now. 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,917 Uh, the families need to be having this, 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,834 this discussion in their homes now. 82 00:04:26,917 --> 00:04:28,959 ♪ I'm the master of my sea ♪ 83 00:04:29,041 --> 00:04:30,417 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 84 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,792 ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪ 85 00:04:32,875 --> 00:04:34,083 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 86 00:04:34,166 --> 00:04:35,583 DJ: You grew up Mormon. 87 00:04:35,667 --> 00:04:37,750 You don't have to be a member of the church. 88 00:04:37,834 --> 00:04:39,458 A lot of people will say, you know what, 89 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,041 if you don't don't agree, just get out. 90 00:04:41,125 --> 00:04:44,917 I don't feel a need to denounce Mormonism. 91 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,709 I do feel a need, as a Mormon, 92 00:04:46,792 --> 00:04:49,625 to speak out against things that I think are hurting people. 93 00:04:50,625 --> 00:04:51,583 ♪ Pain ♪ 94 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,625 ♪ You made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 95 00:04:54,709 --> 00:04:56,625 ♪ Believer ♪ 96 00:04:58,208 --> 00:04:59,250 ♪ Pain ♪ 97 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:01,667 DJ: Dan, do you feel like, in some ways, 98 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,417 you, yourself, might be leading people astray? 99 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,875 Dan: People have reached out and said, hey, 100 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:07,959 you know, you've lost your way, 101 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,625 and God believes that being gay is a sin, 102 00:05:10,709 --> 00:05:13,959 and you, you know, you're dragging down, you know... 103 00:05:14,041 --> 00:05:17,959 you are spreading a message of, uh, against God's will. 104 00:05:18,041 --> 00:05:21,417 ♪ My life, my love, my drive, it came from ♪ 105 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:22,458 ♪ Pain ♪ 106 00:05:22,542 --> 00:05:24,959 ♪ You made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 107 00:05:25,917 --> 00:05:27,792 ♪ Believer ♪ 108 00:05:27,875 --> 00:05:30,333 DJ: Like a lot of rich people, you could just ignore all this, 109 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:31,917 go on with the rest of your life. 110 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,166 Why are you doing this? Why are you putting yourself out there? 111 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:37,500 The community I was raised with is Mormonism, 112 00:05:37,583 --> 00:05:39,208 and I was always taught 113 00:05:39,291 --> 00:05:41,000 that if you want to make a difference in the world, 114 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:42,166 you start with your community. 115 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:44,875 That's a question I had as well, Dan. I mean, 116 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,333 do you actually think you're gonna change the church? 117 00:05:47,417 --> 00:05:49,500 ♪ My life, my love, my drive ♪ 118 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:50,500 (sighs) 119 00:05:50,583 --> 00:05:51,667 ♪ Pain ♪ 120 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:55,792 ♪ You made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 121 00:05:55,875 --> 00:05:57,625 ♪ Believer ♪ 122 00:05:57,709 --> 00:06:00,709 (crowd cheering) 123 00:06:03,917 --> 00:06:05,792 (cheering fades) 124 00:06:10,083 --> 00:06:11,875 (distant horns honking) 125 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:18,125 ♪ Young gun with a quick fuse ♪ 126 00:06:18,208 --> 00:06:20,959 ♪ I was uptight wanna let loose ♪ 127 00:06:21,041 --> 00:06:23,500 ♪ I was dreaming of bigger things and ♪ 128 00:06:23,583 --> 00:06:26,709 ♪ Wanna leave my old life behind ♪ 129 00:06:26,792 --> 00:06:29,542 ♪ Not a yes-sir, not a follower ♪ 130 00:06:29,625 --> 00:06:31,041 ♪ Fit the box, fit the mold ♪ 131 00:06:31,125 --> 00:06:33,208 ♪ Have a seat in the foyer ♪ 132 00:06:33,291 --> 00:06:34,542 ♪ Take a number ♪ 133 00:06:34,625 --> 00:06:36,250 ♪ I was light-- ♪ (keyboard clicks) 134 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:37,792 (scrubbing audio) 135 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,709 ♪ I was lightning before the thunder ♪ 136 00:06:39,792 --> 00:06:42,709 Dan: This song, I think, is probably gonna be our next single. 137 00:06:43,625 --> 00:06:45,750 It's been... a little bit 138 00:06:45,834 --> 00:06:48,041 of the bane of my existence for the last couple months, 139 00:06:48,125 --> 00:06:51,041 'cause I just haven't felt like it was 140 00:06:51,125 --> 00:06:52,375 totally right yet. 141 00:06:52,458 --> 00:06:54,417 (scrubbing audio) 142 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,875 I woke up at, like, 3:00 AM this morning, 143 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,208 with like a counter-melody idea in my head for this end part. 144 00:07:00,291 --> 00:07:01,333 (clears throat) 145 00:07:05,709 --> 00:07:11,542 (vocalizing melody) 146 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:20,417 This song is... it's called "Thunder," 147 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:21,417 but it's like, you know, 148 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,959 this, you know, this time in my life was 149 00:07:24,041 --> 00:07:25,792 lightning before the thunder. 150 00:07:25,875 --> 00:07:27,583 It was like, you know, when I was young, 151 00:07:27,667 --> 00:07:31,875 feeling a little misplaced, feeling never quite... 152 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,000 like I settled in a pocket. 153 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:37,417 ♪ ♪ 154 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:39,750 Go and get Dan. 155 00:07:39,834 --> 00:07:42,417 (baby fussing) 156 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,208 Dan: I am the seventh son of nine kids. 157 00:07:45,291 --> 00:07:47,291 BOY: Hey, Danny. 158 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:49,291 Dan: I was raised Mormon, Latter-day Saint, 159 00:07:49,375 --> 00:07:51,083 as Mormons say LDS. 160 00:07:51,166 --> 00:07:53,458 It was really all I knew growing up, 161 00:07:53,542 --> 00:07:54,667 'cause when you grow up, you just, 162 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:56,125 you think everybody's Mormon, 163 00:07:56,208 --> 00:07:58,500 or at least most of the world's Mormon. 164 00:07:59,417 --> 00:08:00,792 So, in the Mormon Church, 165 00:08:00,875 --> 00:08:02,250 you're supposed to go on a mission 166 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:03,375 when you turn 19 years old. 167 00:08:03,458 --> 00:08:07,250 A mission is two years away from your family. 168 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:09,959 You knock doors all day. (knocking) 169 00:08:10,041 --> 00:08:12,625 We're missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 170 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:14,625 Woman: Okay, we have our own religion. Thank you. 171 00:08:14,709 --> 00:08:15,667 Okay, that's okay. 172 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:17,959 When you start as a missionary, 173 00:08:18,041 --> 00:08:20,083 you get into one 174 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,500 like out of every hundred doors you knock. 175 00:08:24,208 --> 00:08:26,625 What carries you on is 176 00:08:26,709 --> 00:08:31,083 your complete, resolute belief in what you're doing. 177 00:08:31,166 --> 00:08:33,500 You are resilient about it, 178 00:08:33,583 --> 00:08:35,333 and so you knock those hundred doors. 179 00:08:35,417 --> 00:08:37,959 If there's anything I can leave with y'all tonight, 180 00:08:38,041 --> 00:08:40,542 it would just be that my testimony of this gospel 181 00:08:40,625 --> 00:08:42,083 is that I know it's real, 182 00:08:42,166 --> 00:08:43,917 and it does bring true happiness. 183 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,458 When I came home from my mission, 184 00:08:45,542 --> 00:08:48,542 and I allowed my brain to really think about life 185 00:08:48,625 --> 00:08:51,250 and what I wanted out of it, and who I wanted to be... 186 00:08:51,333 --> 00:08:52,500 Everybody, you know, 187 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:54,542 in the Mormon community who knew my family was, like, 188 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:57,375 the smart Reynolds, the doctors, 189 00:08:57,458 --> 00:08:58,875 the lawyers, the good kids. 190 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:00,959 You want your daughter to date a Reynolds boy, you know? 191 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,166 They're good kids. 192 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:05,375 You know, my brothers all went to BYU. They all married, 193 00:09:05,458 --> 00:09:08,875 you know, great Mormon girls, had great Mormon families, 194 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:11,375 and I didn't want to be the one to break that cycle. 195 00:09:11,458 --> 00:09:14,166 And so it just, you know, it seemed like, 196 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:16,208 "the easy route," like, you follow the line. 197 00:09:19,375 --> 00:09:21,333 Aja: Okay, can you give that to Daddy? 198 00:09:21,417 --> 00:09:22,792 Daddy? 199 00:09:22,875 --> 00:09:24,291 Yep? Get her dressed. 200 00:09:24,375 --> 00:09:25,917 Okeydokey. 201 00:09:27,625 --> 00:09:30,750 Dad, both of the babies look like little aliens. 202 00:09:30,834 --> 00:09:32,000 (laughter) 203 00:09:32,083 --> 00:09:34,542 When their eyes are open, they look like little aliens. 204 00:09:34,625 --> 00:09:36,750 Yeah? They do look like little aliens. 205 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:37,959 Aja: That's kinda what they are. 206 00:09:38,041 --> 00:09:39,083 Hi, my little alien. 207 00:09:40,291 --> 00:09:42,500 (music playing on radio) 208 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:44,250 Can I kiss her, Dad? (fluid spurts) 209 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:45,500 Both: Oh! 210 00:09:45,583 --> 00:09:46,709 (Aja laughs) 211 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:48,208 Aja: It's not on you. 212 00:09:48,291 --> 00:09:49,625 I know, but we just cleaned... 213 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:52,166 Well, it's okay. Just leave it for a sec. I'll deal with it. 214 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:54,083 Let me just look and see. Oh! 215 00:09:54,166 --> 00:09:55,250 Yeah, honey, just don't... 216 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:56,417 Honey, it's, like, massive. 217 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:57,500 I know. I'll deal with it. 218 00:09:57,583 --> 00:09:59,000 Dan: My family, so, 219 00:09:59,083 --> 00:10:00,917 I have a four-year-old daughter, Arrow, 220 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,417 she was born right when our first album came out. 221 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,166 Let's just say, I am the boss. 222 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:08,959 (laughing) 223 00:10:09,041 --> 00:10:13,333 And now I have two more little girls, twins, fraternal. 224 00:10:13,417 --> 00:10:15,250 Dan: She is so cute, honey. 225 00:10:15,333 --> 00:10:16,583 Aja: I know. 226 00:10:17,542 --> 00:10:18,834 (giggling) It's killing me. 227 00:10:18,917 --> 00:10:22,000 My wife, who is the greatest human being ever... 228 00:10:22,083 --> 00:10:24,250 Stop picking on her. I'm not. I'm just trying to get-- 229 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,333 You're like, "She has a furry head and boogers in her eyes." 230 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:28,625 Well, no, I just want to get the boogers out of her eyes 231 00:10:28,709 --> 00:10:30,417 'cause that would drive me crazy, too. 232 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:31,959 Aja: When I met him, 233 00:10:32,041 --> 00:10:35,083 he was just a part of this, kind of, 234 00:10:35,166 --> 00:10:37,709 I don't want to say closed community, but it was like 235 00:10:37,792 --> 00:10:40,917 there wasn't really a lot of outside... 236 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 It's like a very Mormon community, you know? 237 00:10:44,083 --> 00:10:49,166 And, um, I was definitely... an alien to that. 238 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:50,166 (strums guitar) 239 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:52,125 We had this, like, connection, 240 00:10:52,208 --> 00:10:56,667 but there were conversations early on that were, like, you know, we can't date. 241 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:59,667 If I was Mormon, we could entertain the idea, but we can't. 242 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:05,125 (singing) ♪ Don't be afraid of me I'm just a sweet... ♪ 243 00:11:05,208 --> 00:11:06,792 We did try to be friends a lot. 244 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,333 We kept being, like, okay, look, we're just... 245 00:11:09,417 --> 00:11:11,500 I can't have you, like, out of my life. 246 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:13,291 So, we had to, we have to try to figure out 247 00:11:13,375 --> 00:11:15,000 how to be friends, but then it would just... 248 00:11:15,083 --> 00:11:17,000 we would hang out, or see each other or whatever, 249 00:11:17,083 --> 00:11:19,208 and it was just, like, too much energy 250 00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:21,667 between us to, and it couldn't go anywhere... She couldn't handle it. 251 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,667 She couldn't handle the energy. There was just, 252 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,250 so much, just, mojo in the air. (laughs) (laughing) 253 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:28,667 Aja: I would always be like, I can't do this. 254 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:29,875 I can't talk to you anymore. 255 00:11:29,959 --> 00:11:33,041 If we can't be together, I cannot see you, 256 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:34,291 like, I can't talk to you. 257 00:11:34,375 --> 00:11:36,166 'Cause I was so in love with him, 258 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:38,834 and, um, it just hurt. 259 00:11:38,917 --> 00:11:40,125 (strumming) 260 00:11:40,208 --> 00:11:42,625 Dan had sent a song that he had written, 261 00:11:42,709 --> 00:11:45,125 and he had only written part of the song. 262 00:11:45,208 --> 00:11:46,667 And I was like, oh, well, 263 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:48,417 I'll just write a verse and send it back. 264 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,709 ♪ Try one, try two, and then you're messing it up ♪ 265 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:52,792 ♪ If you ever wanna have it, then you're giving it up... ♪ 266 00:11:52,875 --> 00:11:55,417 Aja: It was, like, written to me, you know? 267 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,959 And so, I would, like, write a response... (laughing) 268 00:11:58,041 --> 00:11:59,875 in the song, and it was like 269 00:11:59,959 --> 00:12:02,291 the stuff we couldn't say in real life. 270 00:12:02,375 --> 00:12:06,583 Both: ♪ 'Cause I'm so in love with you ♪ 271 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,375 But it was, like, still very much, like, 272 00:12:10,458 --> 00:12:12,291 you have to be Mormon if we're gonna date. 273 00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:13,333 ♪ Well, I'm tired ♪ 274 00:12:13,417 --> 00:12:15,000 ♪ You're tired of acting crazy ♪ 275 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:17,458 ♪ Don't make big plans if you're bein' lazy ♪ 276 00:12:17,542 --> 00:12:18,583 ♪ Don't make big plans ♪ 277 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:19,750 ♪ If you won't follow through ♪ 278 00:12:19,834 --> 00:12:20,875 ♪ You big baby ♪ 279 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:22,542 ♪ Let's speak nothing but the truth ♪ 280 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:25,500 Aja: I was like, I'm not gonna forget about this person. 281 00:12:25,583 --> 00:12:27,875 He felt like he was my soul mate, 282 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:30,875 and so, I decided to start going 283 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,875 and just learning more about the church. 284 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:35,750 That's when I started to say, okay, well, if I can, like, 285 00:12:35,834 --> 00:12:38,417 really, just, follow my own heart inside of it, 286 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:40,500 I don't see why I can't, like, 287 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:42,667 progress in this direction. 288 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,667 So, I did kind of just do that, 289 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:47,542 and I felt fine about it... 290 00:12:47,625 --> 00:12:48,542 ♪ My heart ♪ 291 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:51,041 ...except for the gay rights. 292 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:54,667 Newsman: The Mormon Church supported Proposition 8, 293 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:57,417 a proposal restricting the definition of marriage 294 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,792 as being a union solely between a man and a woman. 295 00:13:00,875 --> 00:13:03,166 Newswoman: Mormons became the most powerful force 296 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,667 in California's fight against gay marriage, 297 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:08,458 because the church called upon its members to donate 298 00:13:08,542 --> 00:13:12,375 as much money and time as they could to the cause. 299 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,542 And so, we ask you to give your best 300 00:13:15,625 --> 00:13:17,834 to this most significant effort, 301 00:13:17,917 --> 00:13:20,083 support in every way possible 302 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:22,542 the sacred institution of marriage 303 00:13:22,625 --> 00:13:25,333 as we know it to be. 304 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:28,000 Dan: When Prop 8 was going down, in my heart, I was like, 305 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:31,000 I don't feel good about this, but whatever. 306 00:13:31,083 --> 00:13:32,417 It doesn't affect me. 307 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,792 Which I think is the mentality of, 308 00:13:33,875 --> 00:13:35,625 probably, a lot of Christians and people. 309 00:13:35,709 --> 00:13:37,458 It doesn't affect me. 310 00:13:37,542 --> 00:13:40,417 Hey, it'll figure itself out in the eternities with God. 311 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:42,959 It was right when I was meeting Aja. 312 00:13:43,041 --> 00:13:45,333 Her two best friends who were lesbians, and they were, 313 00:13:45,417 --> 00:13:47,750 you know all very ac-- like, very... 314 00:13:47,834 --> 00:13:49,709 Very active. I mean, I was with them. Yeah. 315 00:13:49,792 --> 00:13:52,125 I was like, marching alongside them. 316 00:13:52,208 --> 00:13:53,625 Yeah, and so, it was like, And then... 317 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:55,000 she was like, well, 318 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:56,834 they told me that Mormons believe this, 319 00:13:56,917 --> 00:13:57,959 and that they're really, like, 320 00:13:58,041 --> 00:13:59,208 funding these things with Prop 8. 321 00:13:59,291 --> 00:14:01,667 Is that true? And I'm like, well, it is true, 322 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:04,166 but I... it's, like, no part of me. 323 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:07,542 Well, she's like, well, why are you Mormon then? I'm like, it's complicated. 324 00:14:07,625 --> 00:14:08,834 ♪ ♪ 325 00:14:08,917 --> 00:14:11,083 Aja: When I started to look into it, 326 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:13,291 and take the lessons and convert, 327 00:14:13,375 --> 00:14:15,917 I really had to ignore that whole thing. 328 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,417 I had to just ignore it because I was... 329 00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:21,375 It was infuria-- infuriating. 330 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:24,792 Dan: We got married in my parents' backyard, 331 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:29,417 and her two best friends didn't come to our marriage 332 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:33,333 because she was, basically, marrying into Mormonism, in their eyes, 333 00:14:33,417 --> 00:14:35,667 which was, in the heat of Prop 8, 334 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:38,000 was the reason they couldn't get married. 335 00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:40,875 His wife's lesbian roommates 336 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:43,041 not wanting to go to their wedding, 337 00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:47,166 I think he saw something and said, "Oh, there's something wrong here. 338 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:48,792 There's something that can be better here. 339 00:14:48,875 --> 00:14:50,917 There's something I can fix. I can do something. 340 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,709 And I don't think he knew what or how, 341 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:55,458 but I know he wanted to. 342 00:14:55,542 --> 00:14:59,583 Dan: So, I, I, I still feel guilt, 343 00:14:59,667 --> 00:15:02,583 you know, with that, that I, I, uh... 344 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:06,375 I just was, like, a silent person, you know? 345 00:15:06,458 --> 00:15:08,583 Granted, my voice was pretty meaningless at the time. 346 00:15:08,667 --> 00:15:09,500 (laughs) 347 00:15:09,583 --> 00:15:10,917 Not to say a voice is meaningless, 348 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,709 but I didn't have any reach, you know? 349 00:15:12,792 --> 00:15:15,750 My band was a big puddle of nothing. 350 00:15:15,834 --> 00:15:19,083 Robert: Growing up, Dan was in different bands, 351 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:22,291 and he'd always been making music, 352 00:15:22,375 --> 00:15:23,750 but there is no guarantee 353 00:15:23,834 --> 00:15:26,166 you can make something marketable and earn a living at this. 354 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:27,375 ♪ ♪ 355 00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:30,291 And I remember one time, 356 00:15:30,375 --> 00:15:32,625 sitting down with my mom and dad, 357 00:15:32,709 --> 00:15:36,792 and they said, so Dan wants to do this rock thing, 358 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:37,959 be in a rock band. 359 00:15:38,041 --> 00:15:39,041 So, just tell us, 360 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:40,583 what's his chance of success? 361 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:44,250 Regardless of the fact that I knew he was driven, 362 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:45,792 and he had a good voice, 363 00:15:45,875 --> 00:15:47,750 and I thought he wrote amazing melodies, 364 00:15:47,834 --> 00:15:49,417 I said zero. 365 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:50,417 (crowd cheering) 366 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,917 ♪ I'm waking up to ash and dust ♪ 367 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,709 Dan: Imagine Dragons just, 368 00:15:55,792 --> 00:15:57,000 like, boo! 369 00:15:57,083 --> 00:15:59,417 ♪ I'm breathing in the chemicals ♪ 370 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,250 Announcer: Imagine Dragons! 371 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,125 Ah! (cheering) 372 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:05,250 Dan: Suddenly, it was, like, 373 00:16:05,333 --> 00:16:07,667 everybody just screaming at you, 374 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:10,208 you know, great things and terrible things, 375 00:16:10,291 --> 00:16:12,417 and it was all just a new thing to me. 376 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:14,125 What's been, like, the biggest crowd response 377 00:16:14,208 --> 00:16:15,417 that you just felt overwhelmed? 378 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,291 I've been overwhelmed, honestly, every night. 379 00:16:17,375 --> 00:16:21,375 Dan: I don't know that I can think of many more opposite worlds 380 00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:23,959 than that of a Mormon missionary 381 00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:26,583 and that of a rock star. 382 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:31,041 It was completely shocking to me to be kind of thrust into the world. 383 00:16:31,125 --> 00:16:32,417 Like, I had to relearn 384 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:35,166 everything about everything I had known. 385 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:38,291 ♪ I'm radioactive, radioactive ♪ 386 00:16:46,792 --> 00:16:50,083 (sighing) Oh, Lord. 387 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:55,667 "Love your music. 388 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:59,166 "I heard you have depression. I also have depression, 389 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:02,333 "but listening to your music really takes me away from it. 390 00:17:02,417 --> 00:17:03,291 (sighs) 391 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:04,750 "Right now, I feel worthless. 392 00:17:04,834 --> 00:17:07,709 "Life is just really hard. I have no self-esteem, 393 00:17:07,792 --> 00:17:10,917 "but your music makes it much easier. I'm thankful for your music. 394 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,208 I'm also very thankful that you are Mormon." 395 00:17:14,417 --> 00:17:16,166 And if I type in Mormon, 396 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:18,917 there's, like, you know, hundreds of emails. 397 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,041 "I'm in middle school, and I'm Mormon, 398 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:22,709 "but I'm very different. 399 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:25,792 "I'm not pretty. I'm not popular, 400 00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:27,000 "but I don't care. 401 00:17:27,083 --> 00:17:28,375 "I have anxiety and depression. 402 00:17:28,458 --> 00:17:30,709 "I've had them since I was young. 403 00:17:30,792 --> 00:17:32,667 "I was also told this was Dan Reynolds, 404 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:35,667 and I thought it would be cool to tell him about myself." 405 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,208 Suddenly, I started to really realize the weight of something 406 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,500 that I think I already knew, which was that 407 00:17:41,583 --> 00:17:44,083 there's not a lot of famous Mormons. 408 00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:45,208 ♪ ♪ 409 00:17:47,959 --> 00:17:49,709 "I want to tell you something personal, 410 00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:51,375 "to show you how important you are for me, 411 00:17:51,458 --> 00:17:52,709 "and how much you help me. 412 00:17:52,792 --> 00:17:55,208 "I'm struggling a lot with self-acceptance and anxiety. 413 00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:56,709 "This is because of many reasons. 414 00:17:56,792 --> 00:17:59,250 "There's one big thing that annoys me the most... 415 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:00,709 "my sexuality. 416 00:18:00,792 --> 00:18:02,917 "I hate myself for a lot of this. 417 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,250 (sighs) 418 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,208 "I don't even want to know where I would be without your music. 419 00:18:07,291 --> 00:18:08,792 "I have no idea if you support 420 00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:11,875 "same-sex marriage, since you are a Mormon. 421 00:18:11,959 --> 00:18:14,625 "If you don't, it's okay, and I respect you, 422 00:18:14,709 --> 00:18:16,750 "but if you do support it, thank you a lot, 423 00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:18,458 and it means the world to me." 424 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,333 Tom, who sent me this email. 425 00:18:22,417 --> 00:18:23,333 Says all these sweet things, 426 00:18:23,417 --> 00:18:24,875 and at the bottom, you know, hey, 427 00:18:25,834 --> 00:18:27,333 you know, if you do, I respect you, 428 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:30,250 but I know that, how he, I know 429 00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:32,375 that he is hurt, 430 00:18:32,458 --> 00:18:35,625 and is looking for someone from this band that he likes 431 00:18:35,709 --> 00:18:38,583 to tell him, no, Tom, I'm not judging you, you know. 432 00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:39,917 And I never even wrote him back, 433 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,750 'cause I haven't read that email till right now 434 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,542 'cause there's so many emails, but... 435 00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:45,625 (inhales) 436 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,959 (sobbing quietly) 437 00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:57,000 This is, this is something that I've... 438 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:59,709 really had on my mind for years, 439 00:18:59,792 --> 00:19:02,166 and it's come to a head, I think, lately... 440 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:04,041 (sobs) 441 00:19:04,125 --> 00:19:06,709 ...because I'm, because I associate 442 00:19:06,792 --> 00:19:09,959 and my, my, my family's Mormon. 443 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:11,375 It's my culture. 444 00:19:11,458 --> 00:19:13,542 I know that there are so many people like this. 445 00:19:13,625 --> 00:19:17,250 Mormons who, I know, look up to me as a person, you know, 446 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:19,709 standing as a face for the Mormon Church. 447 00:19:24,917 --> 00:19:26,583 Um... 448 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,000 Yeah, I've been so conflicted, 449 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:30,166 'cause I don't know whether to, you know, 450 00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:34,000 let down all these people who are Mormon, and, and looking to me, 451 00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:37,667 or... to be part of-- 452 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:40,500 to stand back, and then be... 453 00:19:42,291 --> 00:19:45,125 If I'm passive, if I'm just standing-- 454 00:19:45,208 --> 00:19:47,083 If I just stand back and say, I don't want to talk about 455 00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:49,792 Mormonism or something in the press and stuff, 456 00:19:49,875 --> 00:19:53,125 then I've, I have felt this-- which I have done, 457 00:19:53,208 --> 00:19:55,834 um, then I feel this burden like... 458 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:58,709 I feel guilt. I feel like... 459 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:03,333 I am standing then for bigotry. 460 00:20:06,542 --> 00:20:07,500 (tape deck clicking) 461 00:20:07,583 --> 00:20:09,625 (acoustic guitar plays) 462 00:20:12,417 --> 00:20:15,458 Tyler: I went on a mission at 19. 463 00:20:15,542 --> 00:20:17,166 I think it just felt like a safe 464 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,875 choice to go and give me more space to figure out myself, so, 465 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:25,208 I got called to Nebraska, and I was kinda hoping 466 00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,917 I was gonna go to, like, Tokyo or something. (laughing) 467 00:20:28,875 --> 00:20:31,583 (music continues) 468 00:20:35,291 --> 00:20:37,625 Dan: Tyler and I both served in Omaha, Nebraska. 469 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:39,875 He had finished his two years right as I was coming out. 470 00:20:39,959 --> 00:20:41,709 Like, we barely linked like that, 471 00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:42,834 but it was enough that, like, 472 00:20:42,917 --> 00:20:46,834 the shadow of Tyler was still there. 473 00:20:46,917 --> 00:20:51,792 My first companion had a CD that said, like, "Tyler Glenn" on it, 474 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,667 and he told me that it was this missionary, 475 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:55,917 and was writing songs in his spare time. 476 00:20:56,834 --> 00:20:59,583 ♪ Jesus got my back ♪ 477 00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,083 Tyler: Yeah, on my mission, 478 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:03,291 I had, really, a great experience. 479 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:06,417 It really shaped this, sort of, 480 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:10,375 headphone-wearing, like, kind of, pseudo-Goth kid 481 00:21:10,458 --> 00:21:14,208 uh, into like, a... someone that could talk to people. 482 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,375 Yeah, and I got home, and, 483 00:21:18,458 --> 00:21:20,583 and, uh, 484 00:21:20,667 --> 00:21:23,750 then I... decided to be gay for a little bit. 485 00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:24,709 (laughs) 486 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:26,917 And that started the conflict. 487 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,166 ♪ Hey baby, won't you look my way? ♪ 488 00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:33,291 ♪ I can be your new addiction ♪ 489 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,875 I got home from my mission, 490 00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:37,959 and Tyler has started a band called Neon Trees. 491 00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:40,125 ♪ It started with a whisper ♪ 492 00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:43,000 Dan: His band blew up, and then my band blew up. 493 00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:45,083 I would see him at festivals. I'd be like, hey, 494 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:46,834 guy that's Mormon in that band, 495 00:21:46,917 --> 00:21:50,000 hey, I'm guy over here that's Mormon in this band. 496 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:52,375 I followed him. I saw the things that he was saying 497 00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:54,667 because he was, like, a Mormon in the press. 498 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,125 Tyler: Being gay and closeted, 499 00:21:56,208 --> 00:21:58,000 I became a master compartmentalizer. 500 00:21:58,083 --> 00:22:00,458 I was able to, sort of, compartmentalize 501 00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:03,166 a version of Mormonism that fit. 502 00:22:04,375 --> 00:22:06,458 So, come 29, 503 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,375 and we've put out two successful records, 504 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,000 and we toured the world six times. 505 00:22:10,083 --> 00:22:13,500 I'm living my dream, you know, so, like, I should be happy. 506 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,333 And I'm not content at all, and I'm thinking, 507 00:22:16,417 --> 00:22:18,500 I can't keep thinking this is a cool secret 508 00:22:18,583 --> 00:22:20,500 that I can live with the rest of my life. 509 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,166 It was like, I just, I have to come out. 510 00:22:24,166 --> 00:22:25,417 ♪ ♪ 511 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,750 I came out to my producer. 512 00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:30,000 I was just like, Tim, 513 00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,667 do you want to know what these songs are about? 514 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:34,125 And, like... 515 00:22:34,208 --> 00:22:37,333 just saying it to him, and having, 516 00:22:37,417 --> 00:22:39,125 sort of the reaction, 517 00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:43,500 from a... from, like, a straight man, like, I always feared... 518 00:22:43,583 --> 00:22:46,834 would probably ridicule me because that was my experience. 519 00:22:46,917 --> 00:22:47,834 Um... 520 00:22:47,917 --> 00:22:50,208 He, like, said, I'm so happy for you, 521 00:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,375 and it was the first time that I ever, um, 522 00:22:53,458 --> 00:22:57,583 attributed, like, positivity, ever, to being gay. 523 00:22:57,667 --> 00:23:00,709 I was expecting my life to turn to shit, 524 00:23:00,792 --> 00:23:03,166 or to feel 525 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,208 sinful or shame, and I didn't at all. 526 00:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,208 And it was, I was met with such, 527 00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:08,417 um... 528 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,417 you know, just inclusion. 529 00:23:11,625 --> 00:23:14,000 It was, you know, three years after Prop 8, 530 00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:17,333 so I was met with a lot of LDS people saying, 531 00:23:17,417 --> 00:23:19,834 we need this conversation to broaden. 532 00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:21,333 As a church, 533 00:23:21,417 --> 00:23:24,750 nobody should be more loving and compassionate. 534 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:26,500 No family who has anybody 535 00:23:26,583 --> 00:23:28,917 who has the same-gender issue should, uh, 536 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,959 exclude them from the family circle. 537 00:23:31,041 --> 00:23:34,208 Dan: Tyler did an interview with Rolling Stone that was like, 538 00:23:34,291 --> 00:23:36,041 I'm gonna be gay and Mormon, 539 00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:38,166 and I'm gonna make it work. 540 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,500 And I feel like a lot of the Mormon community was like, 541 00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:42,417 Woo-hoo! Look at this! 542 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,166 He's gay and he's Mormon. He's gonna make it work. 543 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:45,542 What does that mean? Maybe he's celibate? 544 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,250 I don't know, but hey, he's gonna make it work. 545 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:48,834 He's happy. You know? 546 00:23:48,917 --> 00:23:51,291 I started dating a guy openly, and... 547 00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:54,750 I took him to Temple Square. 548 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:56,959 For me, it was like, when you and I have a kid, 549 00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,417 we're raising him Mormon, and this means a lot to me. 550 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,000 And about a month after that, 551 00:24:03,083 --> 00:24:04,500 um, it was November 5th, 552 00:24:04,583 --> 00:24:08,000 and a po-- the policy was leaked. 553 00:24:08,083 --> 00:24:10,458 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 554 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:13,250 has come under intense scrutiny following their new official 555 00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:16,583 orders against homosexuality, baptism and children. 556 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:19,542 The new policy change states that same-sex couples 557 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,291 will also now be considered apostates, 558 00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:24,458 saying it will no longer bless or baptize children 559 00:24:24,542 --> 00:24:28,041 of same-sex couples until the child turns 18. 560 00:24:28,125 --> 00:24:29,542 Once a child turns 18, 561 00:24:29,625 --> 00:24:32,291 he or she will have to disavow same-sex marriage, 562 00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:35,625 then they can be blessed and baptized by the church. 563 00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:39,000 Tyler: There was a variant in the church. 564 00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:41,667 It suddenly felt dark, and I'd never felt dark at church. 565 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:43,709 I'd always felt like, this is the safe place, 566 00:24:43,792 --> 00:24:45,041 and I need to cling to this. 567 00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:49,458 Um, I'm watching my brother baptize his son, 568 00:24:49,542 --> 00:24:51,333 and he, and I don't ever get to do that 569 00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:54,375 because I'm gay and he's straight, and, um... 570 00:24:54,458 --> 00:24:56,917 I just had taken, you know... (clears throat) 571 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,500 the guy I was seeing to the temple and I was doing all of these... 572 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,458 these things to sort of remain, and I... 573 00:25:04,542 --> 00:25:07,041 It just hit me that I have to leave. 574 00:25:07,125 --> 00:25:08,750 And I remember... (clears throat) 575 00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:12,125 telling my mom on the way to dinner after the baptism. 576 00:25:13,375 --> 00:25:14,500 (strumming) 577 00:25:14,583 --> 00:25:16,500 I'm like, Mom, I, I... 578 00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:19,291 I believe, and I, um... 579 00:25:19,375 --> 00:25:20,583 and I know the Book of Mormon is true. 580 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:22,250 I know the church is true, but I have to leave 581 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:24,917 because, like, they've clearly drawn a line, 582 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,667 and it feels like the last, you know, gut punch. 583 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,500 ♪ Faith ♪ 584 00:25:32,583 --> 00:25:35,000 ♪ Please have a little in me ♪ 585 00:25:35,083 --> 00:25:36,250 ♪ Hate ♪ 586 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,166 ♪ I know you hate it when I stray ♪ 587 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:41,959 ♪ But I tried everything ♪ 588 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,375 ♪ I drank the wine and stained the sheets ♪ 589 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:49,333 ♪ I'm clumsy when I speak ♪ 590 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:51,959 I just realized, I need to make an album 591 00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:53,125 about all these feelings. 592 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:56,458 ♪ You never call me anymore ♪ 593 00:25:56,542 --> 00:25:57,875 Dan: Tyler put out a record 594 00:25:57,959 --> 00:26:01,125 that was very controversial within the Mormon community. 595 00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:05,917 ♪ God, where the hell are you hiding? ♪ 596 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,875 ♪ My hands are in the air and I'm excited ♪ 597 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,208 Dan: It was very visceral, and, like, very angry. 598 00:26:13,291 --> 00:26:14,709 He was, like, ripping up the Book of Mormon, 599 00:26:14,792 --> 00:26:17,500 and he was painting on, like, the apostles' faces. 600 00:26:17,583 --> 00:26:20,208 A lot of Mormons saw that and were, like, 601 00:26:20,291 --> 00:26:22,250 offended and angry at Tyler. 602 00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:25,458 And then I think a lot of Mormons saw it and were hurt for Tyler. 603 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:29,250 It definitely weighed, like, very heavily on my heart. 604 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,166 ♪ I've been on the run ♪ 605 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:34,667 ♪ So I'm not coming Sunday ♪ 606 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,000 ♪ It's all right ♪ 607 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,834 ♪ I'll probably talk to you ♪ 608 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:43,333 ♪ At midnight ♪ 609 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:48,250 Cool. 610 00:26:49,208 --> 00:26:51,625 (phone ringing) 611 00:26:52,667 --> 00:26:53,583 Tyler: Hey, dude. 612 00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,208 Dan: Hey, how you doing man? 613 00:26:55,291 --> 00:26:56,500 Tyler: Good, man. 614 00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,417 Dan: Man, I don't even know where to start. Um... 615 00:26:59,667 --> 00:27:03,583 Really, I, I feel like I should've made this call, 616 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:05,667 like, two years ago. 617 00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:09,959 You know, I've watched you over the last... 618 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:12,125 you know, couple years, 619 00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:14,208 and I've watched you just go through this, 620 00:27:14,291 --> 00:27:15,542 and I've been like, 621 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:17,583 a really... 622 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:19,625 shitty bystander, honestly. 623 00:27:19,709 --> 00:27:20,959 And so I guess, first, Tyler: Mm. 624 00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:23,792 I just want to, like, apologize because I feel like, 625 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,041 you know, I feel like, 626 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,792 you know, I don't know who else 627 00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:31,208 you could relate to-- how many other people 628 00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:33,250 you could relate to in this industry that are, like, 629 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:36,458 Mormon, and have to feel conflicted about 630 00:27:36,542 --> 00:27:38,291 all these things, and I don't know-- 631 00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:40,583 Dude, thanks. That really means a lot. Thank you. 632 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,125 Wow, that's really cool. 633 00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:43,792 Seriously. Seriously. 634 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:46,625 But the question I wanted to ask you is, what now? 635 00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:48,458 Like, what can I do... 636 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:50,834 I know. ...to what can, like... 637 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:52,792 You know, I had, like, this little idea in my head, 638 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:54,000 and tell me if it's stupid. 639 00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:57,333 What if me and you got together, and we put on, like, 640 00:27:57,417 --> 00:27:59,166 a big event in Salt Lake City? 641 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:02,041 Me, you, some people who can come together, and be, like... 642 00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:06,250 inclusive of everybody, and tell them all, like, 643 00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:07,667 this needs to change. 644 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,709 You know, I know we can't force the church to change it, 645 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:12,458 but maybe we can, like, by raising more awareness, 646 00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:13,834 and making more Mormons, 647 00:28:13,917 --> 00:28:16,125 in their heart, feel like this isn't right, 648 00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:17,834 maybe that's the begin... You know what I mean? 649 00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:19,000 Maybe that's what's gonna start 650 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:20,500 the change. That's what it takes, man. 651 00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:22,166 Dude, I'm down. Like, absolutely. 652 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,208 Let's do it. 653 00:28:23,291 --> 00:28:24,333 (wind blowing) 654 00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:27,667 Dan: I'm so amped right now. 655 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:29,500 I'm like, we're gonna do this amazing thing! 656 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,583 This is for Mormons, this is for non-Mormons. 657 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,875 This is for the LGBT non-Mormons, 658 00:28:34,959 --> 00:28:38,000 LGBT Mormons. Like, this is for the world to come to. 659 00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:39,166 So, you know what I thought about? 660 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:40,583 First thing that came to my mind? What? 661 00:28:40,667 --> 00:28:43,417 Food. What are we gonna do for food? 662 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,375 If we can get food trucks, awesome. 663 00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,709 That's what I think. I'm thinking food, 664 00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:49,041 and really what I should be thinking is 665 00:28:49,125 --> 00:28:51,583 how do we not offend 50 percent of the people who come? 666 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:53,000 You're just trying to enlighten people. 667 00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,750 You're not trying to offend anyone. 668 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:57,208 See what you just said right there? Enlighten people. 669 00:28:57,291 --> 00:28:59,083 You think that's offensive? That says to people, 670 00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:01,750 you're in the dark, let me enlighten you. 671 00:29:01,834 --> 00:29:03,917 No, no, no, no, no. Educate. 672 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,875 You're stupid, let me educate you. 673 00:29:05,959 --> 00:29:07,709 No. That's not true. 674 00:29:07,792 --> 00:29:09,375 I think people don't know statistics. 675 00:29:09,458 --> 00:29:11,500 They don't know the reality of what's happening. 676 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:13,291 You can't come in and say, "You're wrong." 677 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:15,417 No. You have to come in and say, 678 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,417 "Let's talk, and believe in 679 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,542 the goodness of people." You have to change people's minds 680 00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:21,083 as a friend and an ally. 681 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:22,917 You don't have to change people's minds. 682 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,166 They have to change their minds. 683 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,917 We have to, like, in my opinion, it's like... 684 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,709 Did you put boloney in this? 685 00:29:28,792 --> 00:29:30,041 There's ham in there. 686 00:29:30,125 --> 00:29:31,875 It's really weird tasting. Is it? 687 00:29:31,959 --> 00:29:33,583 We don't usually put ham in sandwiches, right? 688 00:29:33,667 --> 00:29:35,917 This is the first time. No, but it's, like, what was in there. 689 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,458 The Mormon-- This is where I was raised, Mormonism. 690 00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:40,625 So, this is my community, these are my people. 691 00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:42,750 That's the last thing that I want to do 692 00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:44,583 is to say, "I'm right, you're wrong." 693 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,041 "Look, come and let me tell you why." 694 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,375 It needs to be, everybody come to the table 695 00:29:48,458 --> 00:29:50,291 and let's see what's happening. 696 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:53,166 This is-- these are the people who are in it. 697 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,542 You know. Yeah. 698 00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:57,500 Their message is 10 times more powerful than me getting up, 699 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:00,291 Hey, I'm the singer of Imagine Dragons. You know that song? 700 00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:02,917 ♪ Radioactive! Radioactive! ♪ 701 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,125 Now let me tell you everything that I know about this subject 702 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,041 because I really don't know that much, 703 00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:08,917 and everybody's gonna be like... 704 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,083 I'm all heart. I'm... The education is yet to come. 705 00:30:12,166 --> 00:30:13,667 (laughing) 706 00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:15,000 So... 707 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,959 Oh gosh. Well, hey, 708 00:30:17,875 --> 00:30:19,500 we are kind of all heart. 709 00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:21,542 (ringing) 710 00:30:25,709 --> 00:30:26,625 John: Hello? 711 00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:27,792 John, how you doing? 712 00:30:28,709 --> 00:30:30,625 Good, how are you, Dan? Hey. 713 00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,792 It's an honor to, uh... 714 00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:34,166 to, to talk and to meet. 715 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,625 Right back at you. Yeah. Virtually. 716 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:37,083 Can you hear and see me okay? 717 00:30:37,166 --> 00:30:39,000 Yeah, I, I hear and I see you good. 718 00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:41,458 Um, you're a little choppy here and there, but not bad. 719 00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:44,250 I'll close a bunch of windows and just make sure. 720 00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:46,875 Yeah, are you playing World of Warcraft while you're talking to me? 721 00:30:46,959 --> 00:30:49,959 (laughing) No, I'm not. (laughing) 722 00:30:50,041 --> 00:30:51,125 My name is John Dehlin, 723 00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:53,959 and I'm a sixth-generation Mormon, 724 00:30:54,041 --> 00:30:58,000 raised, uh, as a devout orthodox-believing Mormon. 725 00:30:58,083 --> 00:30:59,542 Mormonism was everything to me 726 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:01,000 'cause my parents had been divorced, 727 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:04,125 and I felt like the church took care of me and nurtured me 728 00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,041 when my family was falling apart. 729 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:07,750 In 2009, I started a PhD 730 00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:10,125 in clinical and counseling psychology. 731 00:31:10,208 --> 00:31:14,458 I was just noticing all these LGBT Mormons that were depressed and suicidal, 732 00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:15,834 and, um... 733 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:18,375 the church was encouraging mixed orientation marriages, 734 00:31:18,458 --> 00:31:20,917 where you're gay, but you marry a straight person. 735 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,250 Ricardo: My name is Ricardo. 736 00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:25,208 I am a Mormon. 737 00:31:25,291 --> 00:31:27,917 I'm a father of six children, 738 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,542 and I am attracted to men. 739 00:31:29,625 --> 00:31:32,000 The attractions aren't gonna go away. 740 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:33,875 They're gonna be there my whole life, 741 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:37,500 but I don't feel that I'm losing anything in my life. 742 00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:39,709 To me, that's being authentic, 743 00:31:39,792 --> 00:31:43,834 is it's finding that core happiness within you. 744 00:31:43,917 --> 00:31:46,625 And for me, it's important that that core happiness 745 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:49,750 is aligned with my beliefs in the gospel. 746 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:51,250 John: They were encouraging celibacy. 747 00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,000 Jessyca: I feel now, being around people 748 00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:56,166 that know that I'm gay, 749 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,041 I'm able to be myself. 750 00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,333 And I'm not having to 751 00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:04,125 make up excuses of why I'm not dating 752 00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:07,333 or I'm not married or I'm not falling in love. 753 00:32:07,417 --> 00:32:10,166 What's been so great about this experience 754 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,000 is that I've been able to understand 755 00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:14,792 what really makes me happy, 756 00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:18,125 and that is pleasing God. 757 00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:20,208 So, we decided to study, uh, 758 00:32:20,291 --> 00:32:24,250 what decisions led to healthy outcomes for LGBT people, 759 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:26,667 and what decisions led to unhealthy outcomes. 760 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:27,750 ♪ ♪ 761 00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,625 I just wanted to understand a couple things. 762 00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:33,709 Can you change being gay or lesbian if you try? 763 00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:36,291 What happens if you just try to be celibate? 764 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:39,792 What happens if you just try and marry a woman? 765 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,333 Mixed orientation marriages were a disaster. 766 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:45,125 Celibacy was the worst possible option 767 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:47,333 that they could have chosen. 768 00:32:47,417 --> 00:32:48,333 Uh... 769 00:32:48,417 --> 00:32:49,792 Hundreds and hundreds of the people 770 00:32:49,875 --> 00:32:51,792 mentioned suicide in their narratives, 771 00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:54,709 of wanting to kill themselves because of the struggle. 772 00:32:54,792 --> 00:32:56,792 Feeling like God didn't love 'em, 773 00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,333 that God wouldn't heal them, 774 00:32:58,417 --> 00:33:01,625 and so they must have been beyond God's love and power. 775 00:33:01,709 --> 00:33:05,291 John: The suicide rates, uh, in Utah are alarming. 776 00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:07,291 We've seen the suicide rates 777 00:33:07,375 --> 00:33:09,875 of youth between the ages of 15 and 19 778 00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:11,834 double in the past two to three years, 779 00:33:11,917 --> 00:33:15,917 and triple over the past eight or nine years since 2008. 780 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,875 Nowhere else in the entire United States are we seeing 781 00:33:19,959 --> 00:33:23,417 youth suicide rates double and triple 782 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,750 over that same time period. 783 00:33:25,834 --> 00:33:27,667 And so, what's the cause? 784 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,000 What happened in 2007, 2008? 785 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:33,166 It was when the predominant religion 786 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:38,333 within the state of Utah declares war on LGBT people. 787 00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,166 Today, I'd like to explain 788 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,125 how I became an LGBT ally as a Mormon. 789 00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:48,917 I gave a TED Talk in, uh, 2013. 790 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,375 I want to begin by making a point. 791 00:33:51,458 --> 00:33:55,291 That you can literally save the lives 792 00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:57,917 of your LGBT brothers and sisters, 793 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,500 sons and daughters, through love. 794 00:34:00,583 --> 00:34:05,875 Well, I gave the TED Talk in, like, October or November, 2013, 795 00:34:05,959 --> 00:34:08,500 and by January or February of 2014, 796 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:10,458 my bishop had called me in, 797 00:34:10,542 --> 00:34:12,041 and, uh, told me he was starting 798 00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:14,667 an investigation into my membership. 799 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:16,458 And in February of 2015, 800 00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:18,166 I was excommunicated from the church. 801 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,792 Hmm. There's no doubt in my mind 802 00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:23,667 that my public support of LGBT people 803 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:25,792 was a major factor in my excommunication. 804 00:34:27,291 --> 00:34:30,083 Excommunication is about the worst thing 805 00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:31,834 that a Mormon could ever experience. 806 00:34:31,917 --> 00:34:35,041 It basically means, from a religious perspective, 807 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:38,375 that you're cut off from your family for all of eternity. 808 00:34:38,458 --> 00:34:39,792 That your family's gonna go 809 00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:41,542 to this really nice place in heaven, 810 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:44,875 and you're gonna be alone, uh, in a dark, sad place, 811 00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:46,417 and that's what excommunication means. 812 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,625 It means you can't participate in church. 813 00:34:48,709 --> 00:34:52,250 It's basically condemning you to the Mormon equivalent of hell. 814 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:54,542 And it was-- But more than that, 815 00:34:54,625 --> 00:34:56,792 it's cutting you off from your tribe. 816 00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:58,250 It's cutting you off from your people, 817 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,750 from your friends, from your family. 818 00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:02,834 Uh, I have family members that won't speak to me. 819 00:35:02,917 --> 00:35:06,500 Um, and it's... devastating. 820 00:35:06,583 --> 00:35:09,083 (sighs) Oh, man. Uh... 821 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,917 My family is all Mormon, and they're very active. 822 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,583 I have a... I have a real fear of losing all that. 823 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:22,917 Maybe you've heard the quote, um, 824 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,125 "The only thing required for evil to persist 825 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,750 is for good men to do nothing." 826 00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,583 You've probably heard that, right? I have. Yeah. 827 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:32,792 I've always loved the church. 828 00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:35,583 I still do. I still consider myself Mormon. 829 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,667 Um... and so-- But I felt the same way you did. 830 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:42,667 I didn't want to leave it. I didn't want to be excommunicated. 831 00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:46,458 I do think the number of overt bigots out there, 832 00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:49,083 as a percentage, is really small, 833 00:35:49,166 --> 00:35:51,750 but the number of, of Mormons, frankly, 834 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:54,542 who just have decided to remain silent 835 00:35:54,625 --> 00:35:56,250 is extremely large. 836 00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:59,375 And so, I've been watching you guys. 837 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:02,834 And in my heart, I'm just like, things are gonna change 838 00:36:02,917 --> 00:36:05,208 when these guys are willing to speak up. 839 00:36:05,291 --> 00:36:08,000 (jet engine roaring) 840 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,625 ♪ Here's to my future ♪ 841 00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:13,917 ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪ 842 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,125 ♪ Here's to change, oh ♪ 843 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:18,709 ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪ 844 00:36:18,792 --> 00:36:23,125 ♪ No tomorrow without a yesterday ♪ 845 00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,750 ♪ Here's to my future ♪ 846 00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:27,166 Stephenie: This house was built 125 years ago 847 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,333 by a polygamist named William D. Alexander. 848 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:31,208 Yeah, you actually, you have the view of the temple-- 849 00:36:31,291 --> 00:36:32,750 So, check out that. Wow, yeah. 850 00:36:32,834 --> 00:36:35,583 Stephenie: Little did he know that someday his rainbow window 851 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,834 would perfectly encase that Moroni. 852 00:36:37,917 --> 00:36:40,709 The Captain Moroni on the top of the Mormon Temple. Stephenie: Yeah. 853 00:36:40,792 --> 00:36:41,875 (indistinct chatter) 854 00:36:41,959 --> 00:36:43,083 Dan: So, the kids can kind of, just, 855 00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:44,500 come in here after school's out. 856 00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:48,208 Just come hang out, find a place of just refuge and kind of... 857 00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:49,417 Yeah. The whole idea is 858 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,500 they just walk in like it's their own home. 859 00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:54,166 Um, I did have an area authority ask me, 860 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:55,375 when these kids come here, 861 00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:57,959 and you're going to make them more gay, 862 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:00,458 and their families aren't... 863 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:01,917 And I was like, no, no, no, no. (laughs) 864 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,625 We are just here to love and support them, 865 00:37:04,709 --> 00:37:06,417 and give them a safe place to be. 866 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,333 ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪ 867 00:37:09,417 --> 00:37:13,625 So, maybe tell me about how you got involved here. 868 00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:17,250 My mom is... working here? Is that what it is? 869 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:20,709 I am volunteering here. Yeah. Volunteering. 870 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,083 When you came out, 871 00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:26,709 how was that received with your friends, with the church? 872 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,166 Um, it was only this Sunday 873 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,583 that I came out to the church. (laughs) Dan: Okay. 874 00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:32,667 ♪ ♪ 875 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,750 Hi, my name is Savannah, 876 00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:37,375 and I want to share my testimony with you. 877 00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:40,500 I believe I'm a child with heavenly parents. I don't... 878 00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:43,625 I went up during testimony meeting, 879 00:37:43,709 --> 00:37:47,083 and I bore my testimony on how 880 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:50,000 everyone is made the certain way that they are, 881 00:37:50,083 --> 00:37:52,458 and how I was made to be gay. 882 00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:55,041 I believe I was made the way I am... 883 00:37:55,125 --> 00:37:56,792 I felt nervous, actually, 884 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:00,166 'cause I didn't know what people would react. 885 00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:03,208 They did not mess up when they gave me freckles 886 00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:05,750 or when they made me to be gay. 887 00:38:05,834 --> 00:38:07,250 God loves me just this way 888 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,083 because I believe that he loves all his creations. 889 00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:12,625 I hope to get married and have a family. 890 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,375 I know these dreams and wishes are good and right. 891 00:38:15,458 --> 00:38:17,166 I know I can have all of these things 892 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,709 as a, as a lesbian and be happy... 893 00:38:19,792 --> 00:38:23,500 I didn't get to finish all the way through my testimony. 894 00:38:23,583 --> 00:38:25,500 I think it was, like, a paragraph later after 895 00:38:25,583 --> 00:38:28,083 I said the word "lesbian," 896 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:29,709 they cut me off. 897 00:38:29,792 --> 00:38:31,000 I want to love myself 898 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,625 and not feel ashamed for being me. 899 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,125 I ask you to-- 900 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:42,333 Heather: It was a member of the stake presidency that was there. 901 00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:43,667 Dan: He leaned over to a counselor... 902 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:44,834 Heather: Leaned over and have him 903 00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:46,750 turn off the mic and asked her to go sit. 904 00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:52,417 It was a little depressing and sad when it happened, 905 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,750 but I feel more happy now that it has happened, 906 00:38:57,834 --> 00:39:00,125 'cause now I got to share my feelings. 907 00:39:00,208 --> 00:39:02,917 ♪ ♪ 908 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,667 You know, if my answer of what resonates here 909 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:10,542 doesn't line up with what the prophet, etcetera, says, 910 00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:14,583 you know, it's like, hard for my family to see that. 911 00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:18,500 All I can do is accept them and love them where they're at, 912 00:39:18,583 --> 00:39:21,500 and, like, hope that they can offer... 913 00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,500 (sighs) um, 914 00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:27,333 the same thing back to me. 915 00:39:27,417 --> 00:39:29,041 ♪ ♪ 916 00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:31,959 Boy: Something that happened recently with my brother who was on his mission. 917 00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:34,834 He was, like, one of the first people that I came out to. 918 00:39:34,917 --> 00:39:39,500 Um... about the time, I told him, and when I came out, he was like, 919 00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:42,000 "No, it's just the devil," and he slapped me really hard. 920 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:44,208 Woman: So when you told him, 921 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,875 he said, "It's the devil," and he slapped you? Yeah. 922 00:39:46,959 --> 00:39:49,667 Because you were, like, following the devil? 923 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,542 Yes. In the callings? Wow. 924 00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:54,792 All of you, in my opinion, 925 00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:57,125 even being here right now, 926 00:39:57,208 --> 00:39:58,542 um... 927 00:39:58,625 --> 00:40:01,709 are far braver than I could've ever understood 928 00:40:01,792 --> 00:40:03,458 'cause I'm just, like, dealing with, like, 929 00:40:03,542 --> 00:40:06,208 oh, religion and these things, you know, but... 930 00:40:06,291 --> 00:40:09,208 but you guys are, are so brave. 931 00:40:09,291 --> 00:40:11,709 Thank you. Thank you for letting me sit in 932 00:40:11,792 --> 00:40:13,834 and be part of what could be so uncomfortable, 933 00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:17,041 and I can be the most awkward person ever. (laughter) 934 00:40:17,125 --> 00:40:19,709 And you guys have made me feel totally comfortable here, too. 935 00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:21,125 And, um, so, thank you. 936 00:40:21,208 --> 00:40:23,291 I love you all, and love is love, 937 00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,250 and, uh, yeah. Thanks. 938 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,375 All: Thanks, Dan! 939 00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:29,083 (laughing) 940 00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:31,917 ♪ ♪ 941 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,375 (engine roaring) 942 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,667 Woman: And here are our crisis counselors here 943 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:44,542 are ready to take phone calls. 944 00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,917 Our research here at The Trevor Project has found that 945 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000 if an LGBT young person has one supportive adult, 946 00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:54,375 the risk of suicide is lessened by 30 percent. 947 00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,917 Wow. It's incredible. 948 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,917 The Mormons are way over here 949 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,250 and the LGBTQ community is way over here. 950 00:40:59,333 --> 00:41:00,709 So it's like, to me, I was like, 951 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,333 well, what's a safe way we can bring everybody together, 952 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,750 but also a place to be a little more educated? 953 00:41:05,834 --> 00:41:07,500 And for some Mormons, 954 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,792 guarantee this will be the first time they'll sit down 955 00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:14,834 and listen to someone who is LGBTQ talk for more than, like, five minutes. 956 00:41:14,917 --> 00:41:18,125 I have these Mormon moms come in from their temple shift, 957 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:19,792 and they're very defensive, 958 00:41:19,875 --> 00:41:22,000 until they fall in love with a gay person. 959 00:41:22,083 --> 00:41:24,583 They could fall in love with Tyler for just five minutes. Yep. 960 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,000 Then, it's game over. 961 00:41:26,083 --> 00:41:28,291 ♪ ♪ 962 00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:32,500 So, Dragons, Trees... 963 00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:35,583 Dragons, Trees, interspersed with speakers. 964 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,917 I mean, that alone is gonna be like... 965 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,208 Rad. ...20,000 people. 966 00:41:39,291 --> 00:41:40,417 Have you thought about where? 967 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,917 I think Pioneer Park. 968 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,291 Dan: Isn't it right next to the temple, 969 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:44,625 someone was telling me or something? 970 00:41:44,709 --> 00:41:47,083 Tyler: Um, it's like three blocks from it. 971 00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:49,500 Three blocks from the temple? Ah. Mm-hmm. 972 00:41:49,583 --> 00:41:52,083 Tyler: Yeah, so they hold huge events here. 973 00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:54,834 And do they have, like, food trucks or anything like that? 974 00:41:54,917 --> 00:41:57,166 Yeah, so there's, like, event vendors... 975 00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,166 What do you think the name of the festival should be? 976 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,875 It needs to be something that the Mormons are like, 977 00:42:00,959 --> 00:42:02,375 oh, this sounds rad and I want to come to it, 978 00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:04,875 but it should sound progressive and cool, and not boring. 979 00:42:04,959 --> 00:42:05,875 LoveLoud. LoveLoud. 980 00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:07,417 LoveLoud Festival. Or LoveLouder. 981 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,542 LoveLoud Festival. 982 00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:09,500 LoveLoud Festival. 983 00:42:09,583 --> 00:42:10,750 That's kinda cool. It is. 984 00:42:10,834 --> 00:42:11,875 LoveLoud Festival. 985 00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:13,542 "Are you going to LoveLoud?" That's kinda cool. 986 00:42:13,625 --> 00:42:14,792 No, I'm going to LoveLouder. 987 00:42:14,875 --> 00:42:16,500 No, I'm going to LoveLouder. (laughing) 988 00:42:16,583 --> 00:42:20,083 Both: ♪ As I have loved you ♪ 989 00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:23,750 ♪ Love one another ♪ 990 00:42:23,834 --> 00:42:27,417 ♪ This new commandment ♪ 991 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,208 ♪ Love one another ♪ 992 00:42:31,291 --> 00:42:35,625 ♪ By this shall man know ♪ 993 00:42:35,709 --> 00:42:39,959 ♪ Ye are my disciples ♪ 994 00:42:40,041 --> 00:42:43,208 ♪ If ye have loved ♪ 995 00:42:43,291 --> 00:42:46,667 ♪ One to another ♪ 996 00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:48,375 It's actually pretty. Yeah, it is. 997 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:51,458 It's a really, it's a... it's a Mormon... 998 00:42:51,542 --> 00:42:53,041 When you're a young Mormon, 999 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:55,750 you're in a group called Primary, 1000 00:42:55,834 --> 00:42:57,792 and it's, like, all the young kids, like, 1001 00:42:57,875 --> 00:42:59,000 get together, and they all have 1002 00:42:59,083 --> 00:43:02,041 this rambunctious class where they learn about God. 1003 00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:04,083 And you learn, like, these songs together. 1004 00:43:04,166 --> 00:43:05,458 Primary songs, yeah. Primary songs. 1005 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:07,250 Like children's hymns, basically. Yeah. 1006 00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:10,208 And one of them, first ones you learn is "Love One Another." 1007 00:43:10,291 --> 00:43:12,291 Which is a really rad... It's actually beautiful. 1008 00:43:12,375 --> 00:43:13,375 Yeah. It's a beautiful song, 1009 00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:15,166 and the whole point of it is about 1010 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,291 just love one another, and so... 1011 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:21,375 It's interesting that that gets lost in... 1012 00:43:21,458 --> 00:43:24,458 you know, when it's really just such a simple idea... 1013 00:43:24,542 --> 00:43:28,083 Totally. ...that we're taught super young in the church. 1014 00:43:28,166 --> 00:43:30,166 (choir singing) 1015 00:43:32,917 --> 00:43:34,417 John: A lot of Mormons are really 1016 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,750 good-hearted, loving, kind, charitable people, 1017 00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:40,750 who want what's right, and they want to be kind 1018 00:43:40,834 --> 00:43:43,542 and loving and tolerant, but they have leaders 1019 00:43:43,625 --> 00:43:45,917 that are telling them what to think and how to behave. 1020 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,166 If children have a happy family experience, 1021 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:51,125 they will not want to be homosexuals, 1022 00:43:51,208 --> 00:43:53,291 which I am sure is an acquired addiction, 1023 00:43:53,375 --> 00:43:55,959 just as drugs, alcohol, and pornography are. 1024 00:43:56,041 --> 00:44:00,792 Adultery, fornication, committing homosexual acts, 1025 00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:03,959 and other deviations approaching these in gravity, 1026 00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:07,542 are not acceptable alternate lifestyles. 1027 00:44:07,625 --> 00:44:10,208 They are serious sins. 1028 00:44:10,291 --> 00:44:15,250 We regard same-sex marriage as a particularly grievous or, uh, 1029 00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:20,792 significant, serious kind of sin that requires church discipline. 1030 00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:24,250 John: Mormon leaders claim to talk to God, 1031 00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:28,291 so when the church make statements in the '80s and '90s and 2000s 1032 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:32,583 that to be gay is evil, that to be in a same-sex, 1033 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:35,333 uh, marriage or committed relationship is evil, 1034 00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:38,000 they're not just saying that as their own opinion. 1035 00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:39,959 They're basically saying that God speaks 1036 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:43,250 to the leader of our church and takes that position. 1037 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,792 As the church has seen in the past, 1038 00:44:46,875 --> 00:44:48,709 when the church takes a position, 1039 00:44:48,792 --> 00:44:51,291 and then the rest of the nation changes, 1040 00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:54,500 so in the late 1800s, the church was a polygamous church, 1041 00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:56,917 and the rest of the nation wasn't cool with that, 1042 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000 uh, the church was almost destroyed, 1043 00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:00,291 and so, the church had to change. 1044 00:45:00,375 --> 00:45:03,583 Fast-forward to the 1960s, the whole United States 1045 00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:08,000 is starting to support African-Americans and civil rights. 1046 00:45:08,083 --> 00:45:12,291 And the LDS church is opposing, um, the civil rights movement 1047 00:45:12,375 --> 00:45:15,250 and that almost destroyed the church. 1048 00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,667 And so in 1978, the church changes again. 1049 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:22,250 He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed 1050 00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:23,583 that the long promised day 1051 00:45:23,667 --> 00:45:26,792 has come, when every faithful, worthy man 1052 00:45:26,875 --> 00:45:28,917 in the church may receive the holy priesthood. 1053 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,542 John: So, just like the church eventually got rid of polygamy, 1054 00:45:31,625 --> 00:45:34,709 the church eventually accepted blacks into full fellowship. 1055 00:45:34,792 --> 00:45:37,208 Accordingly, all worthy male members of the church 1056 00:45:37,291 --> 00:45:39,625 may be ordained to the chur-- to the priesthood 1057 00:45:39,709 --> 00:45:43,208 without regard for race or color. 1058 00:45:43,291 --> 00:45:44,917 Dan: The church changed, and said, okay, 1059 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,917 now is the time, God has spoken, 1060 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,583 now you can have the priesthood. 1061 00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,500 The thing is you're not going to change God's will, 1062 00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:52,875 is basically what my mom said. 1063 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,083 My mom said to me, when I told her 1064 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:55,375 I was doing this, she was like, well, 1065 00:45:55,458 --> 00:45:57,583 just because you're a rock star dude, 1066 00:45:57,667 --> 00:45:59,041 you can't change God's will. 1067 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:00,458 While we are to value 1068 00:46:00,542 --> 00:46:03,875 the rights and feelings of all of God's children, 1069 00:46:03,959 --> 00:46:08,583 we cannot change his doctrine. It is not ours to change. 1070 00:46:08,667 --> 00:46:12,417 False prophets and false teachers are those who 1071 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,166 attempt to change the God-given, 1072 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,208 and scripturally based doctrines 1073 00:46:17,291 --> 00:46:19,458 that protect the sanctity of marriage. 1074 00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:20,667 Dan: Just because you go and pound 1075 00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,333 on the brethren's door, and you're, like, 1076 00:46:22,417 --> 00:46:24,458 Thomas S. Monson, come on, change this, man. 1077 00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:25,917 Come on, change it! 1078 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,041 He's not gonna change it for you, 'cause God's-- 1079 00:46:28,125 --> 00:46:29,458 He's only doing what God tells him to do, 1080 00:46:29,542 --> 00:46:31,333 and God's not gonna change it for you. 1081 00:46:31,417 --> 00:46:34,041 But if all the members of a church are talking about something, 1082 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,792 then the prophet's gonna pray about it more, right? 1083 00:46:36,875 --> 00:46:40,333 I think that maybe I'm one part of this puzzle that's, like, 1084 00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:42,625 you know, coming together, and hopefully the apostles 1085 00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:44,125 and the prophet go pray about it, 1086 00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:49,417 and God comes down and tells them what's up. 1087 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,875 So, um, you know, there's a glimmer of hope, 1088 00:46:52,959 --> 00:46:55,542 and in the long-term, I think there's a lot of hope. 1089 00:46:55,625 --> 00:46:57,417 The question is, um, 1090 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:58,625 how long will it take to get there, 1091 00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:01,166 and how many people will be hurt along the way? 1092 00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:03,250 ♪ ♪ 1093 00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:07,959 Alyson: So we have three kids, 1094 00:47:08,041 --> 00:47:11,625 and, um, Stockton is the youngest of the three. 1095 00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:14,792 And, really, our story kind of begins 1096 00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:17,792 with him at age 12, 1097 00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,834 us finding a letter 1098 00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:24,250 with him saying that he thought he was gay. 1099 00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:25,542 Dan: At earlier times in his life, 1100 00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:28,834 had either of you said, well, maybe he's gay? 1101 00:47:28,917 --> 00:47:30,625 Or do you think he's gay? Does he seem...? 1102 00:47:30,709 --> 00:47:32,917 No, we, um... yeah. 1103 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,417 Our, uh, our gaydar was pretty weak. 1104 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:36,583 (laughter) 1105 00:47:36,667 --> 00:47:38,500 Man: How did you think that they would react? 1106 00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:41,375 Um... 1107 00:47:41,458 --> 00:47:43,750 I thought they'd react kind of badly 1108 00:47:43,834 --> 00:47:46,250 'cause, I mean, they're Mormon. 1109 00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:49,500 Not all Mormons react kindly to that. 1110 00:47:49,583 --> 00:47:51,333 Um... I don't know. 1111 00:47:51,417 --> 00:47:54,250 I didn't really think they were gonna kick me out of the house. 1112 00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:57,166 I didn't think they were gonna be, "Oh yeah, you're gay. Cool." 1113 00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:01,125 I'll just kind of... hide it. 1114 00:48:02,917 --> 00:48:04,208 Man: Yeah. 1115 00:48:04,291 --> 00:48:06,750 You know, when we said, well, let's just kinda ride this out, 1116 00:48:06,834 --> 00:48:08,959 that wasn't his MO. His MO was, 1117 00:48:09,041 --> 00:48:11,834 Yeah, I think I'm gonna announce it at school tomorrow-type thing. 1118 00:48:11,917 --> 00:48:12,917 So... Yeah. 1119 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,208 He had his own bullhorn. Yeah. He... 1120 00:48:15,291 --> 00:48:18,375 Alyson: You know, he was pretty proud and out. 1121 00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,000 Troy: I remember, um, I gave him... 1122 00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:23,500 this, a pink, neon pink T-shirt 1123 00:48:23,583 --> 00:48:25,041 that said, "Queer New World." 1124 00:48:25,125 --> 00:48:28,291 And he was so excited by this neon pink shirt 1125 00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:31,792 because it was gonna scandalize everyone in his school. 1126 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:32,959 George: You know, he just thought, 1127 00:48:33,041 --> 00:48:34,959 Well, this is me. What's the problem? 1128 00:48:35,917 --> 00:48:37,542 And, unfortunately, 1129 00:48:37,625 --> 00:48:39,458 not everybody was ready for that. 1130 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:43,125 When I was kind of internally realizing that I was gay, 1131 00:48:43,208 --> 00:48:44,542 I got handed a pamphlet 1132 00:48:44,625 --> 00:48:46,709 "For the Strength of Youth," 1133 00:48:46,792 --> 00:48:49,625 and it said, homosexuality is a serious sin, 1134 00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:53,000 and I got very angry about that and... 1135 00:48:53,083 --> 00:48:57,250 um, it kind of just spiraled downward from there. 1136 00:48:57,333 --> 00:48:59,875 (playing "Falling Slowly") 1137 00:49:04,917 --> 00:49:08,041 Dan: So, did you feel that, even when he cut ties, 1138 00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:11,250 he probably still felt the sting... Yeah. Alyson: He was angry. Oh yeah. 1139 00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:13,000 He was angry. 1140 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:15,083 And he just didn't feel safe... Dan: Yeah. 1141 00:49:15,166 --> 00:49:18,083 ...in a place that he should've felt the safest. 1142 00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:20,542 ♪ Words fall through me ♪ 1143 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,291 ♪ And always fool me ♪ 1144 00:49:23,375 --> 00:49:25,125 Troy: The rest of society around him 1145 00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:27,917 from church, to school, to government, 1146 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,959 kept sending a message to Stockton that he was less than. 1147 00:49:33,041 --> 00:49:35,250 Alyson: You know, often kids would say to him, 1148 00:49:35,333 --> 00:49:36,625 I can associate with you, 1149 00:49:36,709 --> 00:49:39,709 but if my parents find out, then I can't. 1150 00:49:39,792 --> 00:49:43,667 It was always, you know, this constant, 1151 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:46,291 "I like you, but..." or "I love you, but..." 1152 00:49:46,375 --> 00:49:49,375 ♪ Take this sinking boat ♪ 1153 00:49:49,458 --> 00:49:52,542 ♪ And point it home ♪ 1154 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:57,250 ♪ We've still got time ♪ 1155 00:49:58,208 --> 00:50:00,917 I could sense, you know, his frustrations, 1156 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,125 and his anger, and his fears. 1157 00:50:04,208 --> 00:50:06,834 He would say to me often, he'd say... 1158 00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:12,542 "What's so wrong with me that I just can't have friends?" 1159 00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,208 (sniffles) 1160 00:50:14,291 --> 00:50:17,166 ♪ ♪ 1161 00:50:18,709 --> 00:50:21,291 (song ends) 1162 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:26,458 ♪ ♪ 1163 00:50:26,542 --> 00:50:29,333 Alyson: I really didn't see it coming. 1164 00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:32,458 We were in Saint George, and just, um... 1165 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,750 got a call... 1166 00:50:36,834 --> 00:50:39,125 that he... 1167 00:50:39,208 --> 00:50:42,041 was gone. 1168 00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:43,458 (sniffles) 1169 00:50:46,625 --> 00:50:47,667 And... 1170 00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:51,166 Why didn't he call me? 1171 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:53,250 Because I would have done anything. 1172 00:50:53,333 --> 00:50:55,083 (sniffles) 1173 00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,709 That's what breaks my heart is that he felt 1174 00:50:57,792 --> 00:51:00,000 that much despair, and that he... 1175 00:51:00,083 --> 00:51:02,125 Well, that he was alone. ...felt that alone. 1176 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,125 George: He like all of us-- 1177 00:51:05,208 --> 00:51:06,875 we're looking for the community. 1178 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,750 Dan: Right. Your tribe. 1179 00:51:08,834 --> 00:51:11,750 And so, he was looking for his community and his tribe, 1180 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:14,000 and, so he-- 1181 00:51:14,083 --> 00:51:15,458 Yeah, it was, it was hard. 1182 00:51:15,542 --> 00:51:19,000 'Cause the community that should've been so loving 1183 00:51:19,083 --> 00:51:22,083 and accepting of him and appreciative of his-- 1184 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:23,917 of who he is just... 1185 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,375 I mean, I think a lot of these kids 1186 00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,542 really did love him and accept him, 1187 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:31,291 but they were at war with their dynamic. 1188 00:51:31,375 --> 00:51:34,333 They're being taught at church what they're gonna be taught at home. 1189 00:51:34,417 --> 00:51:35,667 Both: Right. Yeah. 1190 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:38,083 We need more voices. 1191 00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:40,417 It's just, we need more voices. 1192 00:51:46,083 --> 00:51:47,542 And he deserves it. 1193 00:51:47,625 --> 00:51:49,625 ♪ ♪ 1194 00:51:55,083 --> 00:51:57,500 (distant crowd cheering) 1195 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:02,750 ♪ ♪ 1196 00:52:02,834 --> 00:52:05,500 (loud cheering) 1197 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:10,959 Dan: My heart is full tonight... 1198 00:52:11,041 --> 00:52:12,792 (crowd cheering louder) 1199 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:15,709 ...for so many reasons... 1200 00:52:15,792 --> 00:52:18,125 Dan: I think amidst all of this, a lot of people would wonder 1201 00:52:18,208 --> 00:52:20,458 why I even associate with Mormonism, 1202 00:52:20,542 --> 00:52:22,542 if, you know, it's causing this much harm. 1203 00:52:22,625 --> 00:52:24,709 Why not just walk away and be done? 1204 00:52:24,792 --> 00:52:28,333 We've lost our loved ones. We've lost them to suicide. 1205 00:52:28,417 --> 00:52:33,417 Dan: I'm not gonna just walk away, and let the house on fire burn. 1206 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,250 I'd rather do all that I can with this lucky spot 1207 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:41,458 that I've been put in to hopefully put out a fire. 1208 00:52:41,542 --> 00:52:43,917 ♪ It's time to begin ♪ 1209 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,542 ♪ Isn't it? ♪ 1210 00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:49,542 Audience: ♪ I get a little bit bigger ♪ 1211 00:52:49,625 --> 00:52:52,166 ♪ But then I'll admit ♪ 1212 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:57,250 ♪ I'm just the same as I was ♪ 1213 00:52:58,959 --> 00:53:04,792 ♪ Now don't you understand ♪ 1214 00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:12,792 ♪ That I'm never changing who I am ♪ 1215 00:53:12,875 --> 00:53:16,375 (audience cheering) 1216 00:53:16,458 --> 00:53:19,041 I have these tools of, like, you know, hey, 1217 00:53:19,125 --> 00:53:21,583 if I wanna put on a festival, we're gonna put on a festival, 1218 00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:23,125 and at least some people are gonna come out 1219 00:53:23,208 --> 00:53:24,500 because Imagine Dragons is playing. 1220 00:53:24,583 --> 00:53:26,667 We can get this press, and we can get this interview 1221 00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:28,333 because of Imagine Dragons. 1222 00:53:28,417 --> 00:53:31,667 Woman (on phone): Dan, welcome to the show. How are you doing today? 1223 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:33,250 I'm doing great. Um... 1224 00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:34,959 (fussing) I don't know if you can hear my baby 1225 00:53:35,041 --> 00:53:36,709 screaming in the background. (laughs) 1226 00:53:36,792 --> 00:53:39,250 We're doing this documentary. I'm also putting on a festival, 1227 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,875 in Utah, August 26th, called LoveLoud. 1228 00:53:41,959 --> 00:53:44,291 There's gonna be parents who are gonna get up and speak who've, 1229 00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,125 who've lost their child to suicide. 1230 00:53:46,208 --> 00:53:49,542 Dan: LoveLoud was this ginormous beast, suddenly. 1231 00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:51,291 I was like okay, I'm gonna hire an assistant. 1232 00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:54,000 I don't think he had any idea what he was signing up for. 1233 00:53:54,083 --> 00:53:57,166 Uh, music festivals usually take at least a year. 1234 00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:59,208 And we're trying to pull this off in a few months. 1235 00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:03,041 We're gonna, hopefully, create enough rumblings 1236 00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,250 that it's gets a ton of press coverage 1237 00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,208 and that people start to understand 1238 00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:11,625 that telling your child that it's sinful to be gay 1239 00:54:11,709 --> 00:54:13,458 can be so destructive. 1240 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:18,083 Are you worried about fans being, maybe, turned off by activism? 1241 00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:20,417 You know. "Come on, Dan. Just play your music." Sure. 1242 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,959 I have to pay attention to my heart 1243 00:54:23,041 --> 00:54:24,959 and speak the things that are in my heart. 1244 00:54:25,041 --> 00:54:27,000 I felt that by not speaking out, 1245 00:54:27,083 --> 00:54:30,125 I was doing a big disservice to my community. 1246 00:54:30,208 --> 00:54:32,625 My goal is to change this in the church, 1247 00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:34,542 and not to say that I can change the church, 1248 00:54:34,625 --> 00:54:38,583 but at least to bring together a ton of people who are Mormon 1249 00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:41,500 who have said, you know, we've had enough with this. 1250 00:54:41,583 --> 00:54:44,083 ♪ And I'm never changing who I am ♪ 1251 00:54:44,166 --> 00:54:46,458 ♪ ♪ 1252 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,083 (cheering, whistling) 1253 00:55:01,375 --> 00:55:02,875 (cheering fades) 1254 00:55:14,875 --> 00:55:17,208 Tyler: I first met Dan in 2006, 1255 00:55:17,291 --> 00:55:19,208 when I was a shy, closeted singer 1256 00:55:19,291 --> 00:55:23,166 in a local band in Provo, Utah, called Neon Trees. 1257 00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:25,917 (applause, cheers) 1258 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,125 Dan, it's unbelievably exciting to see you use your platform 1259 00:55:29,208 --> 00:55:31,125 to spread the love you have in your heart. 1260 00:55:31,208 --> 00:55:34,458 That is the heroic move. 1261 00:55:34,542 --> 00:55:38,250 We have a special message for you from one of our fans. 1262 00:55:38,333 --> 00:55:40,667 Hi Dan. My name's Miranda. 1263 00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:43,291 I am 16, and I am bisexual, 1264 00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:45,917 but before anything else, I wanna say congratulations! 1265 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,542 What you're doing makes a difference. 1266 00:55:47,625 --> 00:55:50,583 What you're doing means so much to people like me, 1267 00:55:50,667 --> 00:55:53,500 and I cannot thank you enough for it. 1268 00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:54,917 (applause) 1269 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,375 Tyler: The Trevor Project is proud to honor 1270 00:55:57,458 --> 00:55:59,083 my dear friend, Dan Reynolds, 1271 00:55:59,166 --> 00:56:00,709 with the Trevor Hero Award. 1272 00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:02,583 Please join me in a round of applause. 1273 00:56:02,667 --> 00:56:04,917 (applause, cheers) 1274 00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:09,417 (laughs) 1275 00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,875 (chatting indistinctly) 1276 00:56:15,792 --> 00:56:17,583 Good luck. All right. All right. 1277 00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:20,667 Dan: Uh... 1278 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:24,458 I loved a lot of my mission. I did a ton of service work. 1279 00:56:24,542 --> 00:56:27,375 I lost myself. I became nothing. 1280 00:56:27,458 --> 00:56:29,917 You're the geeky, stupid-looking dude, 1281 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,125 with the name badge and it's... 1282 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:34,375 and you get Slurpees thrown at you, and it's, 1283 00:56:34,458 --> 00:56:36,709 it's humbling. It's humbling, and it was, it was good for me. 1284 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:40,208 But I want to-- I'm sure you're wondering, where is he going with all this? 1285 00:56:40,291 --> 00:56:42,250 And this is, this is where I'm going with it. 1286 00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,041 For those two years, 1287 00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:47,667 when people asked me what the doctrine was, 1288 00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:52,208 and they said, "Hey, I am gay, or I feel, you know, 1289 00:56:52,291 --> 00:56:55,000 "like I'd feel like, I like girls, 1290 00:56:55,083 --> 00:56:56,208 and what do I do about this?" 1291 00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:58,875 I taught that it was a sin 1292 00:56:58,959 --> 00:57:03,041 because that's what I had been raised to teach. 1293 00:57:03,125 --> 00:57:06,041 I never felt it in my heart since I was young. 1294 00:57:06,125 --> 00:57:07,959 I hold regret about that to this day. 1295 00:57:08,041 --> 00:57:09,709 I wish I could knock all those doors. 1296 00:57:09,792 --> 00:57:13,959 I wish I could re-knock them, and tell them that I was wrong. 1297 00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:15,208 I can't do that. 1298 00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:17,667 All I can do is come forward to you today and tell you, 1299 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:21,041 I sincerely am sorry. I, really, in my heart... 1300 00:57:21,125 --> 00:57:24,792 (applauding, cheering) 1301 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,458 Thank you for this. This is such a great honor. 1302 00:57:28,542 --> 00:57:31,625 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1303 00:57:31,709 --> 00:57:35,750 And I know... I know it's been said, but love is love. 1304 00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:38,417 Love is love. Thank you so much. 1305 00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:40,583 (cheering) 1306 00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:43,667 Dan: We're less than two months out from the LoveLoud Festival, 1307 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:47,375 which is super intimidating and scary for a million reasons 1308 00:57:47,458 --> 00:57:50,792 because it feels like we're still just getting stuff together. 1309 00:57:50,875 --> 00:57:52,458 Man: And just say, "Take one." Take one. 1310 00:57:52,542 --> 00:57:54,834 I'm here to make a very special announcement. 1311 00:57:54,917 --> 00:57:58,083 On August 26th, in the Provo area, 1312 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:01,208 we're gonna be putting on a concert called LoveLoud... 1313 00:58:01,291 --> 00:58:05,208 Lance: So with LoveLoud, we knew it was important to be in Utah. 1314 00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:08,667 And I don't want to say that people were intentionally 1315 00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:10,375 trying to curb this event. 1316 00:58:10,458 --> 00:58:12,458 We can give them a sponsorship, like a... 1317 00:58:12,542 --> 00:58:13,917 Lance: But when we started realizing 1318 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,375 it was a lot of people being afraid to touch this issue. 1319 00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:19,834 Dan: I thought we were gonna have a massive park. 1320 00:58:19,917 --> 00:58:22,041 We're gonna show that the whole state of Utah 1321 00:58:22,125 --> 00:58:23,542 actually believes in this. 1322 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:28,959 The reality hitting me is that not all of Utah wants this. 1323 00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:31,583 I had tons of people who were like, 1324 00:58:31,667 --> 00:58:34,583 you shouldn't talk about how we have, like, 1325 00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,291 any issues with suicide. 1326 00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:38,208 Let's not talk about that. 1327 00:58:38,291 --> 00:58:41,417 I'm a little nervous to even click on the comments section, to be honest with you here. 1328 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,709 "I know many LGBTQ-XYZ people, 1329 00:58:44,792 --> 00:58:47,333 "and while I treat them like any other person I know, 1330 00:58:47,417 --> 00:58:50,166 I don't agree with their choices to live that lifestyle." 1331 00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,583 Aja: People might laugh because they might say, like, 1332 00:58:52,667 --> 00:58:57,250 why is this straight white guy the poster child for this now? 1333 00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:59,792 I don't know. People love to hate, you know? 1334 00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:01,458 So, we'll see what happens. 1335 00:59:01,542 --> 00:59:06,250 Dan: "Ditch Your Imagine Dragons Music because Dan Reynolds Embraced the Poz." 1336 00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:07,542 P-O-Z. 1337 00:59:07,625 --> 00:59:10,542 So I had no idea what that was, so I googled it. 1338 00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,875 "Gay slang, willing to have sex with someone who is HIV positive 1339 00:59:13,959 --> 00:59:15,375 by someone who is not." 1340 00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:18,000 You start to feel, 1341 00:59:18,083 --> 00:59:22,917 upset that it's, like, so blatantly obvious. 1342 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,667 Like, look how obvious this is! 1343 00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:27,250 Like, of course we have to love and accept everybody. 1344 00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:28,709 Come on, guys! 1345 00:59:28,792 --> 00:59:33,000 Robert: It's a terrible challenge to go into this intersection 1346 00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:38,250 of LGBT individuals and communities of faith, 1347 00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,333 which requires sensitivity on both sides, 1348 00:59:41,417 --> 00:59:42,875 and a lot of nuance, 1349 00:59:42,959 --> 00:59:46,208 and that is not an easy spot to be 1350 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:47,917 when you're someone like Dan. 1351 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,291 Dan: You know, I just did an interview with Billboard, 1352 00:59:51,375 --> 00:59:54,709 and my family saw it, and that's been a little difficult. 1353 00:59:54,792 --> 00:59:57,417 Feeling like the family thinks that I'm doing something wrong, 1354 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,750 or I'm, like, making them look like bigots or something. 1355 00:59:59,834 --> 01:00:03,166 That's, that's been, probably, the hardest thing for me. 1356 01:00:03,250 --> 01:00:07,208 Robert: The risk is that in going to this vulnerable intersection, 1357 01:00:07,291 --> 01:00:09,417 of not just, I wanna help LGBT individuals 1358 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,250 have more peace and love and acceptance in their lives, 1359 01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:14,166 but I'm gonna have an event in Provo, Utah, 1360 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:17,208 and I'm going to talk about Mormon doctrine. 1361 01:00:17,291 --> 01:00:20,166 Will you express it in a way that sounds like 1362 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,166 kicking somebody when they're down or throwing a stone? 1363 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:25,625 Or will it come across as someone that's 1364 01:00:25,709 --> 01:00:28,375 putting his arms around his fellow brothers and sisters, 1365 01:00:28,458 --> 01:00:31,417 and saying, hey, let's do better. 1366 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:33,709 It makes the family nervous. 1367 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:36,208 But I love Dan and know he wants to do good. 1368 01:00:36,291 --> 01:00:39,291 I know he's trying to be good, and I know he means well. 1369 01:00:39,375 --> 01:00:41,041 ♪ ♪ 1370 01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:48,417 (Dan humming) 1371 01:00:53,291 --> 01:00:55,792 (humming continues) 1372 01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:00,542 (keyboard clicks) 1373 01:01:05,291 --> 01:01:07,333 (vocalizing melody) 1374 01:01:12,875 --> 01:01:15,333 (indistinct singing) 1375 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,291 ♪ If I were you ♪ 1376 01:01:20,375 --> 01:01:21,709 ♪ I'd run away ♪ 1377 01:01:21,792 --> 01:01:26,250 ♪ Closing your eyes and count to 10 ♪ 1378 01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,291 ♪ Bird in the sky ♪ 1379 01:01:28,375 --> 01:01:30,166 ♪ Peace in your mind ♪ 1380 01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,792 Dan: There was a week in particular 1381 01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:36,166 where everything with LoveLoud was basically falling apart. 1382 01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:39,834 Why is it so much more difficult than I thought it would be? 1383 01:01:39,917 --> 01:01:43,834 Like, you just say, "Hey, let's all meet in this park, this day and do something." 1384 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:45,709 Dan: As of yesterday, our whole team 1385 01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:48,000 that we have together was kinda feeling like, 1386 01:01:48,083 --> 01:01:50,417 we needed to cancel the event. 1387 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,208 (man over speaker) 1388 01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:02,583 Dan: Utah was just making it too impossible to put it on. 1389 01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:04,667 ♪ If I was me ♪ 1390 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,583 ♪ Weight on my back ♪ 1391 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:10,667 ♪ Feeling the sun upon my eyes ♪ 1392 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:12,750 ♪ Where would I turn? ♪ 1393 01:02:12,834 --> 01:02:14,583 ♪ What would I burn? ♪ 1394 01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:18,709 ♪ I am a pawn within your hand ♪ 1395 01:02:18,792 --> 01:02:21,500 ♪ So many voices ♪ 1396 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,208 (man over speaker) 1397 01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:42,750 ♪ Carving my blood into the stone ♪ 1398 01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,917 ♪ What do I do? ♪ 1399 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,792 ♪ Where do I turn? ♪ 1400 01:02:46,875 --> 01:02:50,667 ♪ Even my screams cease to be heard ♪ 1401 01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:51,875 Woman 1: Bye, everybody. Bye. 1402 01:02:51,959 --> 01:02:54,333 Man 1: Thanks, everyone. Bye. Okay. 1403 01:02:54,417 --> 01:02:55,709 Man 2: All right. Woman 2: Thank you. 1404 01:02:55,792 --> 01:02:56,709 (phone beeps) 1405 01:02:56,792 --> 01:02:58,917 ♪ To be alone ♪ 1406 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,458 ♪ So many choices ♪ 1407 01:03:06,834 --> 01:03:09,709 I was on a, a phone call 1408 01:03:09,792 --> 01:03:12,458 with, um, one of my fund-raisers, 1409 01:03:12,542 --> 01:03:14,750 just going over a bunch of details, 1410 01:03:14,834 --> 01:03:17,583 and my phone, uh, my phone kept ringing. 1411 01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:20,208 I looked down, and it was my mom. 1412 01:03:20,291 --> 01:03:22,417 I was like, ah, Mom. (chuckles) 1413 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:26,250 Then she called again, and then she called a third time. 1414 01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:29,959 And at that point, I realized, I need to talk to my mom. 1415 01:03:30,041 --> 01:03:31,917 And, uh... 1416 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,542 So I just said, hey, I need to end this call. 1417 01:03:33,625 --> 01:03:35,583 I need to call my mom. 1418 01:03:35,667 --> 01:03:38,083 And I called my mom, and, um... 1419 01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,000 she was hysterical. 1420 01:03:42,083 --> 01:03:44,083 ♪ ♪ 1421 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,792 She told me my brother, Landon, 1422 01:03:50,875 --> 01:03:52,917 had just hung himself... 1423 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,500 (sniffles) 1424 01:03:57,709 --> 01:04:00,709 (sighs) ...in Provo. 1425 01:04:00,792 --> 01:04:02,166 (sniffles) 1426 01:04:03,625 --> 01:04:05,333 (sighs) 1427 01:04:05,417 --> 01:04:06,875 ♪ In praise of you ♪ 1428 01:04:06,959 --> 01:04:08,291 ♪ Our faith is strong ♪ 1429 01:04:08,375 --> 01:04:10,875 ♪ We'll raise our colors high in the blue ♪ 1430 01:04:10,959 --> 01:04:13,667 ♪ And cheer our Cougars of BYU ♪ 1431 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:15,625 ♪ Oh, rah, rah, rah-rah-rah ♪ 1432 01:04:15,709 --> 01:04:19,375 Lance: So Landon was attending BYU, the... 1433 01:04:19,458 --> 01:04:21,250 LDS church's university. 1434 01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:24,792 He also had a, uh, really cool girlfriend, 1435 01:04:24,875 --> 01:04:28,417 and he'd kinda blossomed down there. 1436 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,208 And then he and his girlfriend, they had sex, 1437 01:04:31,291 --> 01:04:33,250 which is against the honor code. 1438 01:04:33,333 --> 01:04:35,875 Landon was honest with the university 1439 01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:38,750 and explained what had happened, and told them. 1440 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000 And they said... 1441 01:04:42,083 --> 01:04:43,625 (scoffs) 1442 01:04:43,709 --> 01:04:46,542 ...you're kicked out for five years, and... 1443 01:04:46,625 --> 01:04:49,500 you can't associate with any of your professors. 1444 01:04:49,583 --> 01:04:50,792 You're done. 1445 01:04:52,458 --> 01:04:55,500 It started to put him into a downward spiral of depression 1446 01:04:55,583 --> 01:04:59,667 and emotional wound after emotional wound, it was... it was hard for him. 1447 01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:02,667 Even though in the eyes of his, 1448 01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:04,917 his God, he was clean. 1449 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,375 In the culture there, he wasn't. 1450 01:05:06,458 --> 01:05:08,041 He was just a sinner. 1451 01:05:08,125 --> 01:05:11,375 And, uh, that's how a lot of people looked at him. 1452 01:05:11,458 --> 01:05:13,750 As less than. 1453 01:05:13,834 --> 01:05:16,166 He just felt worthless. 1454 01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:17,500 (sighs) 1455 01:05:19,959 --> 01:05:21,333 So it was really hard, because... 1456 01:05:21,417 --> 01:05:23,166 (sighs) 1457 01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:26,917 ...night after night, day after day, 1458 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,208 I'm spending all my time trying to bring this... 1459 01:05:30,291 --> 01:05:31,917 trying to bring this festival to life, 1460 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,333 to save lives and to help people not feel alone. 1461 01:05:37,959 --> 01:05:39,500 (sighs) 1462 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:44,250 ♪ ♪ 1463 01:05:49,458 --> 01:05:51,750 Lance: It breaks my heart knowing that Landon got to a point 1464 01:05:51,834 --> 01:05:54,250 where he believed that the only way his soul 1465 01:05:54,333 --> 01:05:57,166 could go on was for it to leave his body. 1466 01:05:57,250 --> 01:05:58,500 (sniffles) 1467 01:05:58,583 --> 01:06:01,250 And the harsh reality is that, 1468 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,125 I mean, here in Utah, the leading cause of death 1469 01:06:04,208 --> 01:06:06,709 for teenagers is suicide. 1470 01:06:06,792 --> 01:06:09,875 ♪ ♪ 1471 01:06:09,959 --> 01:06:14,417 I think we all can agree that we need to find a solution to this. 1472 01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,625 And it's gonna take every single one of us in this room 1473 01:06:17,709 --> 01:06:19,500 to make a difference. 1474 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,417 I believe, and I know, that... 1475 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,166 Mormons are good people. 1476 01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:30,583 That... 1477 01:06:30,667 --> 01:06:32,709 we have sincere hearts. 1478 01:06:32,792 --> 01:06:34,792 That we're no, no less... 1479 01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:38,709 broken than any other society. 1480 01:06:38,792 --> 01:06:39,792 Um... 1481 01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:43,875 But the way that our culture is failing right now 1482 01:06:43,959 --> 01:06:46,166 is in a very unique way, 1483 01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:48,500 and in a deadly way. 1484 01:06:48,583 --> 01:06:51,417 ♪ ♪ 1485 01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:57,375 The shaming that happens in this culture needs to end. 1486 01:06:57,458 --> 01:06:58,667 I believe in a higher power, 1487 01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:01,041 and I believe in goodness and love, 1488 01:07:01,125 --> 01:07:03,000 and I know we can do this. 1489 01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:06,917 This isn't some insurmountable task. 1490 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,834 It's feasible because I believe in us. 1491 01:07:10,917 --> 01:07:13,834 ♪ ♪ 1492 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,500 I had to respond to him, and I said, 1493 01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:22,792 Lance, I'm so sorry that your brother just committed suicide. 1494 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:24,500 You don't have to do this anymore. 1495 01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:27,041 You know? You don't have to be on these calls. Please. 1496 01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:30,041 Like, go take off time with your family. 1497 01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:32,709 Like, you could, like, I'll do LoveLoud. 1498 01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,375 And he... he just refuses. 1499 01:07:37,458 --> 01:07:39,333 He texted me and he says, 1500 01:07:41,083 --> 01:07:43,875 "I'm gonna be with my family for a few days, 1501 01:07:43,959 --> 01:07:47,458 "but will still be working on everything and want you to know 1502 01:07:47,542 --> 01:07:48,834 "we will make it happen. 1503 01:07:48,917 --> 01:07:51,834 "No one deserves to feel the way my mother does right now, 1504 01:07:51,917 --> 01:07:53,834 "and I'm going to work my hardest to ensure 1505 01:07:53,917 --> 01:07:56,166 "that this suicide epidemic ends, man. 1506 01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:58,250 "This is so wrong and has to stop. 1507 01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:00,542 "I know you're stressing about this festival, 1508 01:08:00,625 --> 01:08:03,208 "but I assure you, we're going to pull this off. 1509 01:08:03,291 --> 01:08:05,166 "There are too many things going right. 1510 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,542 "LoveLoud is going to happen 1511 01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:09,166 and it's going to change the world." 1512 01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:11,583 Dan: He just said, we're going to do this, Dan. 1513 01:08:11,667 --> 01:08:13,500 We can do this. 1514 01:08:13,583 --> 01:08:15,875 I have an idea. Let's do it grassroots. 1515 01:08:15,959 --> 01:08:18,375 We don't need to get a bunch of money. 1516 01:08:18,458 --> 01:08:19,917 We don't need to dumb it down 1517 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,375 or clean it up or make it more vanilla to get sponsors. 1518 01:08:23,458 --> 01:08:24,917 You know, you told me on the phone that 1519 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,250 if we didn't get the money, 1520 01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:29,417 we'd go stand in a park on... (chuckles) 1521 01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:33,250 ...on a soapbox, and just scream to the world 1522 01:08:33,333 --> 01:08:35,041 that things needed to change in Utah. 1523 01:08:35,125 --> 01:08:39,000 We want it to be a safe space for everybody to come out and be able to... 1524 01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:42,583 feel the love and acceptance together for LGBTQ youth, 1525 01:08:42,667 --> 01:08:47,333 and we want them to hear it with resounding cries from all across Utah. 1526 01:08:47,417 --> 01:08:50,208 Dan: We went from the event not happening, 1527 01:08:50,291 --> 01:08:54,667 to me begging people to take it on. 1528 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:56,041 We have the chance to do something 1529 01:08:56,125 --> 01:08:57,959 that's really powerful and great, 1530 01:08:58,041 --> 01:08:59,333 but, um, 1531 01:08:59,417 --> 01:09:02,041 it has been, doing it in Utah has been difficult. 1532 01:09:02,125 --> 01:09:05,291 Finally, we got somebody who said okay, we can do it, 1533 01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:06,917 if we do it in this ballpark, 1534 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,166 and we're gonna have to set it up the morning of, 1535 01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:11,000 so we need a small stage you can roll in. 1536 01:09:11,083 --> 01:09:13,917 Newsman: A mutual love of music is a great way to foster love, 1537 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,917 understanding and acceptance. That's how our next guest 1538 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,083 wants to support the LGBTQ community... 1539 01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:24,291 Dan: It's basically come together in such a crazy, last minute way, 1540 01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:27,500 that every single person told me that I was stupid doing it. 1541 01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:32,208 ♪ ♪ 1542 01:09:43,458 --> 01:09:45,458 ♪ ♪ 1543 01:09:51,583 --> 01:09:53,792 (lively chattering) 1544 01:09:56,375 --> 01:09:59,166 Yeah, I guess I've never thought about 1545 01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:01,000 how big the church is versus the band, 1546 01:10:01,083 --> 01:10:02,625 how influential the church is versus the band. 1547 01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:05,542 I guess if I really stand back and look at it, it's like, 1548 01:10:05,625 --> 01:10:08,208 the band reaches millions, millions, 1549 01:10:08,291 --> 01:10:11,834 and we put out a video and it's like 500 million views. 1550 01:10:11,917 --> 01:10:15,959 All: Good morning, America! 1551 01:10:16,041 --> 01:10:18,333 (cheering) 1552 01:10:18,417 --> 01:10:21,291 Dan: We have a show in November, 1553 01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:24,291 in Salt Lake City that's sold out, 1554 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:25,542 and it sold out super fast, 1555 01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:28,709 and it's 20,000 people plus. 1556 01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:31,333 We figured, oh, when we do this LoveLoud, 1557 01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:32,542 it's just gonna sell out. 1558 01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:35,417 And so, when we put up the tickets, it's just nowhere 1559 01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:39,041 near selling as fast as an Imagine Dragons show sells. 1560 01:10:39,125 --> 01:10:42,166 I mean, that tells you everything you need to know. 1561 01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:45,709 In order for Mormons to feel safe to come to this, 1562 01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:51,041 the truth is Mormons will feel safe about something 1563 01:10:51,125 --> 01:10:53,625 when the prophet says to feel safe about something. 1564 01:10:55,041 --> 01:10:57,333 Lance: We know that there are conversations going on 1565 01:10:57,417 --> 01:11:00,667 in the, the hierarchy of the church. 1566 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:02,625 I don't know fully what they look like. 1567 01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:05,583 I hope that the church is able to make a statement, 1568 01:11:05,667 --> 01:11:07,166 and to let people know 1569 01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:10,750 that these conversations are okay to have. 1570 01:11:10,834 --> 01:11:12,250 If the prophet said, 1571 01:11:13,166 --> 01:11:17,000 "Hey, LoveLoud is cool," 1572 01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:21,709 then that would be incredible, and that would shift, 1573 01:11:21,792 --> 01:11:25,458 that would be, like, everything I could ever hope for. 1574 01:11:25,542 --> 01:11:27,625 For me, that is a bridge 1575 01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:29,583 that has never been, like, 1576 01:11:29,667 --> 01:11:33,875 that is not a bridge that, that has been created. 1577 01:11:33,959 --> 01:11:36,625 It would be the most amazing, 1578 01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:38,333 huge step of progress if the church says, 1579 01:11:38,417 --> 01:11:41,792 hey, there's this LGBTQ event, and yeah, even the guy who's 1580 01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:44,375 behind it doesn't believe that it's a sin to be gay, 1581 01:11:44,458 --> 01:11:46,834 and, well, here's a stamp of approval. 1582 01:11:46,917 --> 01:11:48,250 Like that, to me, I'm like... 1583 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,667 amazing! It'd be amazing. 1584 01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:53,166 So yeah, I've just, I've been waiting on, uh, 1585 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:56,083 pins and needles to see if they're gonna, 1586 01:11:56,166 --> 01:11:57,625 uh, come through with a proposal, 1587 01:11:57,709 --> 01:12:00,917 and, and I hope it's sooner rather than later. 1588 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,000 ♪ ♪ 1589 01:12:11,875 --> 01:12:13,709 Aja: Do you know what Daddy is doing? 1590 01:12:13,792 --> 01:12:15,125 Arrow: What? 1591 01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,291 So, Daddy's putting on a festival 1592 01:12:18,458 --> 01:12:22,709 because he wants people to understand 1593 01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:24,667 that... 1594 01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,291 um, that... 1595 01:12:26,375 --> 01:12:29,125 Do you know what being gay is? 1596 01:12:29,208 --> 01:12:30,750 Do you remember how we talked about how, like, 1597 01:12:30,834 --> 01:12:33,750 boys can love boys, and girls can love girls, 1598 01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,834 or they can love, 1599 01:12:34,917 --> 01:12:37,166 girls can love boys or boys can love girls? 1600 01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:39,500 Uh-huh, and-- And sometimes, what? 1601 01:12:39,583 --> 01:12:42,625 And sometimes girls wanna be a boy, 1602 01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:45,458 and sometimes boys wanna be girls, 1603 01:12:45,542 --> 01:12:46,750 and girls wanna be boys. 1604 01:12:46,834 --> 01:12:49,000 And then what can happen? Remember, I told you sometimes 1605 01:12:49,083 --> 01:12:50,875 people can be mean to that person. 1606 01:12:50,959 --> 01:12:52,166 Yeah. Yeah. 1607 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:54,709 And so we have to be, protect that person, huh? 1608 01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:55,792 Yeah. 1609 01:12:57,041 --> 01:12:59,417 So, the festival's called LoveLoud... 1610 01:13:01,291 --> 01:13:03,208 because it means, "love everybody, 1611 01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:05,542 no matter what." 1612 01:13:05,625 --> 01:13:06,667 (crickets chirping) 1613 01:13:09,458 --> 01:13:12,375 Aja: I saw something on your phone, so you better read it. 1614 01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:14,959 Okay. It's 10:30 PM. 1615 01:13:15,041 --> 01:13:17,667 Uh, 10:30 PM, we were just about to go to bed, 1616 01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:21,417 and it's August... 14th. Sunday. Yeah. 1617 01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:23,583 Yeah. So, we're like a week out. 1618 01:13:25,291 --> 01:13:26,875 Is that right? Yeah. No, I don't know. 1619 01:13:26,959 --> 01:13:28,083 Arrow starts school tomorrow. 1620 01:13:28,166 --> 01:13:30,000 I don't know what... We have 10 days. Like 10 days. 1621 01:13:30,083 --> 01:13:31,041 10 days. Anyway. Okay. 1622 01:13:31,125 --> 01:13:32,917 We have the church's statement. 1623 01:13:33,917 --> 01:13:35,041 Quote, 1624 01:13:35,125 --> 01:13:38,208 "We applaud the Love--" It's long. Geez. (gasps) 1625 01:13:38,291 --> 01:13:42,125 Quote, "We applaud the LoveLoud Festival 1626 01:13:42,208 --> 01:13:43,875 for LGBTQ youths..." 1627 01:13:43,959 --> 01:13:46,834 First of all, I've never heard the church say, "LGBTQ." 1628 01:13:46,917 --> 01:13:48,959 It's always, they say, "same-sex attraction." 1629 01:13:49,041 --> 01:13:51,667 I've never... This is, that's... 1630 01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:53,583 I've never, ever heard them say that. 1631 01:13:54,625 --> 01:13:56,417 Awesome. (sighs) 1632 01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:58,709 "We applaud the LoveLoud Festival's... 1633 01:13:58,792 --> 01:14:01,792 "Festival for LGBTQ youth's aim 1634 01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:04,750 "to bring people together to address teen safety, 1635 01:14:04,834 --> 01:14:08,667 "and to express respect and love for all of God's children. 1636 01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:10,792 "We join our voice with all 1637 01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:13,583 "who come together to foster a community of inclusion 1638 01:14:13,667 --> 01:14:16,834 "in which no one is mistreated because of who... 1639 01:14:16,917 --> 01:14:19,125 they are or what they believe." 1640 01:14:19,208 --> 01:14:21,417 (gasps) (sighs) 1641 01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,875 "Who they are." 1642 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,417 (laughs) I know, that's big. 1643 01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,417 "We share common beliefs. Among them, 1644 01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:28,041 "the pricelessness of our youth, 1645 01:14:28,125 --> 01:14:29,709 "and the value of families. 1646 01:14:29,792 --> 01:14:32,875 "We earnestly hope this festival and others, 1647 01:14:32,959 --> 01:14:35,834 "other related efforts can build respectful communication, 1648 01:14:35,917 --> 01:14:37,500 "better understanding and civility 1649 01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:39,500 as we all learn from each other." 1650 01:14:47,375 --> 01:14:50,041 That's really great, babe. It's a step. 1651 01:14:51,375 --> 01:14:53,041 (chuckling) 1652 01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:55,291 That's pretty awesome. 1653 01:15:12,917 --> 01:15:14,834 Man: Check, check, one, two. 1654 01:15:14,917 --> 01:15:16,291 Pole mic one. 1655 01:15:16,375 --> 01:15:19,709 (instruments tuning) 1656 01:15:19,792 --> 01:15:23,500 Wireless one, one, two. Wireless one... 1657 01:15:28,417 --> 01:15:31,041 (sighs) (pumping) 1658 01:15:31,125 --> 01:15:33,375 (laughing) 1659 01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:35,458 This is the reality of life. 1660 01:15:35,542 --> 01:15:38,667 Dan and I both have nerves, and we're, like, nervous, 1661 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:42,166 but I just think that there's some sort of a deeper feeling of just, like... 1662 01:15:44,208 --> 01:15:48,709 I feel like this is the kind of stuff that life is really, the purpose of it all. 1663 01:15:48,792 --> 01:15:51,875 So, there's, like, a real gratification 1664 01:15:51,959 --> 01:15:55,333 in actually pulling something like this off, 1665 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:57,667 even though it hasn't been pulled off yet, 1666 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,208 but-- (clears throat) 1667 01:15:59,291 --> 01:16:00,917 I feel like it's just... 1668 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,583 (toilet flushing) 1669 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:05,625 (sighs) Just one of those, it's, opens your heart, you know? 1670 01:16:05,709 --> 01:16:07,625 It feels amazing. (door opens) 1671 01:16:07,709 --> 01:16:08,875 (sighs) 1672 01:16:08,959 --> 01:16:11,375 Oh my gosh, seriously? (laughs) 1673 01:16:11,458 --> 01:16:13,375 Let's not put that in there. 1674 01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:18,041 Hey, babe. We gotta go, sweetie. We're so late. 1675 01:16:19,125 --> 01:16:20,500 Honey, we are fine! 1676 01:16:20,583 --> 01:16:22,375 We have 20 minutes, and I'm pumping. 1677 01:16:22,458 --> 01:16:24,166 The sooner we get there, the sooner we can-- 1678 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:27,458 the better chance we get of getting everybody in a room... 1679 01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:29,083 to have, like, a... 1680 01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:32,208 What do you want me to do? ...pow-wow with all the speakers and stuff. 1681 01:16:32,291 --> 01:16:34,375 Honey, what do you want me to do about this pumping? 1682 01:16:34,458 --> 01:16:36,333 Nothing. You're fine. I'm just... 1683 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:38,125 being anxious. Sorry. 1684 01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:43,000 (sighs) I could help you pack while you're pumping. 1685 01:16:43,083 --> 01:16:44,917 Well, I, I like to pack. 1686 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,166 I'm a control freak, remember? 1687 01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:47,417 Well, it's just literally 1688 01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:49,583 a matter of me zipping up your zipper over here. 1689 01:16:49,667 --> 01:16:52,083 Well, okay. Just start putting things away. 1690 01:16:52,166 --> 01:16:54,500 Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't know where you want these two things... 1691 01:16:54,583 --> 01:16:57,250 Oh please. Can you just ...let me do it? 1692 01:16:58,166 --> 01:17:00,792 (both laugh) Oh my gosh. 1693 01:17:03,542 --> 01:17:04,667 (sighs) 1694 01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:05,959 It's gonna be amazing. 1695 01:17:06,917 --> 01:17:08,417 'Kay? 'Kay. 1696 01:17:09,667 --> 01:17:12,125 I just have to go on stage and just... 1697 01:17:12,208 --> 01:17:13,875 Talk about-- (laughs) ...to all these people who are 1698 01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:16,583 completely opposites of each other to get along. 1699 01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:23,166 ♪ ♪ 1700 01:17:24,083 --> 01:17:25,542 All right, babe. You okay? 1701 01:17:25,625 --> 01:17:26,625 No. 1702 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:27,625 We're gonna do it. 1703 01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:29,917 Okay. Let's do it. 1704 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,875 (chattering) 1705 01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,291 Aja: All right, it's a good time to look and see if there's protesters. 1706 01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:44,125 You're making me so nervous today, hon. 1707 01:17:44,208 --> 01:17:45,625 I don't know why. What? 1708 01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:47,041 I don't know why. Why? 1709 01:17:47,125 --> 01:17:48,458 I don't know why. 1710 01:17:48,542 --> 01:17:50,125 I'm not supposed to be here to make you nervous. 1711 01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,542 I think I'm just making myself nervous, 1712 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:53,542 and I just wanna blame it on you 'cause you're my wife. 1713 01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:55,583 (indistinct chatter) 1714 01:17:57,625 --> 01:18:00,959 Dan: The people in line, I'm just so curious to hear what people... 1715 01:18:01,041 --> 01:18:02,041 Aja: Are talking about. 1716 01:18:02,125 --> 01:18:04,166 Yeah. And what the line looks like, 1717 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:05,834 and, like, who, who's coming to this. 1718 01:18:05,917 --> 01:18:07,000 Man: It seems like there's a lot 1719 01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,333 more people than just the LGBTQ, 1720 01:18:09,417 --> 01:18:10,834 and I'm really happy to see that. 1721 01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:12,458 I think what Dan Reynolds has done here 1722 01:18:12,542 --> 01:18:16,667 is, is really, uh, important for helping people to see, 1723 01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:19,834 and, and normalize the concept of, of us being 1724 01:18:19,917 --> 01:18:21,250 in the same world as them. 1725 01:18:21,333 --> 01:18:24,000 ♪ ♪ 1726 01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:27,375 I wish they could've been here, you know, 10 years ago. 1727 01:18:27,458 --> 01:18:30,625 I think it would've saved a lot of heartache for a lot of people. 1728 01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:32,083 Um, 1729 01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:34,583 yeah, I think it could've saved some lives. 1730 01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:37,291 Woman: Seeing how many people are out here supporting the cause is, 1731 01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:39,959 it's like a hope for humanity kinda thing. Yeah. 1732 01:18:40,041 --> 01:18:43,041 ♪ ♪ 1733 01:18:57,959 --> 01:19:00,792 (indistinct announcement) 1734 01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:03,000 (cheering) 1735 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000 Hey. 1736 01:19:18,583 --> 01:19:20,834 Yes! This is incredible! 1737 01:19:20,917 --> 01:19:22,834 This is the night that, uh, 1738 01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:24,500 I've been looking forward to for so long. 1739 01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:27,250 This is the most important stage I've ever been on. 1740 01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:29,375 (cheering) 1741 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,792 Some people walked in tonight 1742 01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:35,291 feeling a little out of their comfort zones. 1743 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:37,917 Feeling like, are people gonna judge me? 1744 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,375 But guess what? 1745 01:19:39,458 --> 01:19:41,000 You came still. 1746 01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:42,583 I applaud you for that. 1747 01:19:42,667 --> 01:19:46,667 This speaks to the courage, to the love of the people of Utah 1748 01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:49,208 that I have known for years. 1749 01:19:49,291 --> 01:19:52,417 And to see this, for our LGBTQ youth, 1750 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,125 I know speaks volumes to them, 1751 01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:57,583 so please give a round of applause, first and foremost, to yourself. 1752 01:19:57,667 --> 01:19:58,709 (cheering) 1753 01:20:00,792 --> 01:20:02,125 I gotta say that that means so much 1754 01:20:02,208 --> 01:20:05,709 to me and to the people who have put this together. 1755 01:20:05,792 --> 01:20:08,500 We've worked tirelessly and hard to be able to make 1756 01:20:08,583 --> 01:20:11,125 this a place for everybody. I hope that you know that. 1757 01:20:11,208 --> 01:20:12,917 There's no judgment cast on anybody. 1758 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,959 There is a place for everybody here at this table. 1759 01:20:15,041 --> 01:20:18,166 We can all agree on one thing, and that's in love, 1760 01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:20,792 absolute, pure, complete love. 1761 01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:22,417 (cheering) 1762 01:20:23,917 --> 01:20:27,458 I wanna introduce you to the person who has me here today. 1763 01:20:27,542 --> 01:20:30,500 My everything. I am nothing without this individual. 1764 01:20:30,583 --> 01:20:33,542 She has shaped my life, opened my mind and my heart. Oh geez. 1765 01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:35,792 And she's also the greatest artist in the whole world. 1766 01:20:35,875 --> 01:20:37,375 I'm not biased. That's just the way it is. 1767 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,750 It's my wife, Aja Volkman. 1768 01:20:39,834 --> 01:20:40,875 Come on out. 1769 01:20:40,959 --> 01:20:42,959 (cheering) 1770 01:20:52,375 --> 01:20:55,417 (cheering continues) 1771 01:20:58,834 --> 01:21:01,542 I can't talk, so I'm just gonna play. (laughs) 1772 01:21:07,125 --> 01:21:10,750 ♪ Breathe in deep ♪ 1773 01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:13,291 ♪ This life ain't gonna be ♪ 1774 01:21:13,375 --> 01:21:15,709 ♪ Ea-ea-easy ♪ 1775 01:21:15,792 --> 01:21:20,500 ♪ Nobody said it'd be ♪ 1776 01:21:20,583 --> 01:21:22,208 ♪ So very ♪ 1777 01:21:22,291 --> 01:21:25,458 ♪ Hard ♪ 1778 01:21:27,166 --> 01:21:28,291 (cheering) 1779 01:21:30,208 --> 01:21:34,542 ♪ Don't lose faith ♪ 1780 01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,208 Man: I was a seven-year-old, eight-year-old Mormon boy. 1781 01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:42,375 I was so afraid that I might be gay because if I was, 1782 01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:45,250 it would mean that I would lose my parents, my family, 1783 01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,792 the faith community that I love so much, 1784 01:21:47,875 --> 01:21:50,000 and if that seven-year-old boy 1785 01:21:50,083 --> 01:21:52,542 could have flashed forward and seen tonight, 1786 01:21:52,625 --> 01:21:56,834 with 20,000 Mormons here celebrating us, 1787 01:21:56,917 --> 01:21:59,083 I would have had more hope for the future. 1788 01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:03,458 And I hope that that the seven and eight-year-old queer kids out there 1789 01:22:03,542 --> 01:22:06,041 will feel hope for their future, as well. 1790 01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:08,625 ♪ I need some more time ♪ 1791 01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:11,083 ♪ A couple last tears ♪ 1792 01:22:11,166 --> 01:22:12,709 ♪ Few more days ♪ 1793 01:22:12,792 --> 01:22:15,834 ♪ Before I disappear ♪ 1794 01:22:17,458 --> 01:22:18,417 Aja: Thank you. 1795 01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:19,917 (crowd cheers wildly) 1796 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,709 Thanks for coming. 1797 01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:31,917 (cheering continues) 1798 01:22:39,208 --> 01:22:43,792 Announcer: Give a LoveLoud Fest welcome to Savannah and her mother Heather! 1799 01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:45,917 (cheering) 1800 01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:50,709 Hi! 1801 01:22:55,458 --> 01:22:57,834 I was invited here to share my truth. 1802 01:22:57,917 --> 01:23:01,500 Thanks to you for giving me the space to speak today. 1803 01:23:01,583 --> 01:23:03,959 I believe I was made the way I am, 1804 01:23:04,041 --> 01:23:07,000 all parts of me, by my heavenly parents. 1805 01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:10,041 They did not mess up when they gave me brown eyes 1806 01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:11,458 or when I was born bald. 1807 01:23:11,542 --> 01:23:14,041 They did not mess up when they gave me freckles 1808 01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:16,083 or when I was made to be gay. 1809 01:23:16,166 --> 01:23:19,291 I want to love myself and not feel shame. 1810 01:23:19,375 --> 01:23:22,208 (cheering) 1811 01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:40,667 And I know my heavenly parents love and accept me. 1812 01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:42,333 Thank you. 1813 01:23:42,417 --> 01:23:44,333 (cheering) 1814 01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:54,834 (indistinct announcement) 1815 01:23:58,917 --> 01:24:02,083 Man: It's quite a privilege to be able to share your voice. 1816 01:24:02,166 --> 01:24:04,333 15 years ago, I was a student at BYU, 1817 01:24:04,417 --> 01:24:06,500 and I was coming out, and I was suicidal. 1818 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:10,291 And I'm here, and I just got this hug from this little girl who stood up. 1819 01:24:10,375 --> 01:24:14,250 She's 13, and she just told everybody that God loves her 1820 01:24:14,333 --> 01:24:15,667 because He made her. I mean, 1821 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:20,375 it took me until I was almost 30 to have that in my brain to say, 1822 01:24:20,458 --> 01:24:23,166 I don't have to be better or try to be better. 1823 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,709 God made me exactly who I am. I'm the best I can be. 1824 01:24:26,792 --> 01:24:29,667 I'm exactly, exactly what He said. 1825 01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:30,792 I made you. 1826 01:24:30,875 --> 01:24:33,500 So, it's just been the most amazing thing. 1827 01:24:33,583 --> 01:24:35,458 I feel like I'm in a dream right now. 1828 01:24:35,542 --> 01:24:37,542 ♪ ♪ 1829 01:24:40,291 --> 01:24:43,166 ♪ ♪ 1830 01:24:51,834 --> 01:24:53,583 John: It feels like Mormon Woodstock. 1831 01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:55,792 That's how it feels. 1832 01:24:55,875 --> 01:24:59,333 It feels like, uh, it feels like a historic moment, really. 1833 01:24:59,417 --> 01:25:02,959 It feels like, uh, we've, we've fought so hard for so long, 1834 01:25:03,041 --> 01:25:06,417 and finally, uh, we're able to do something significant. 1835 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:07,750 We've reached critical mass. 1836 01:25:08,667 --> 01:25:10,583 A scripture I cherish says, 1837 01:25:10,667 --> 01:25:14,083 of God, that He inviteth all to come unto Him 1838 01:25:14,166 --> 01:25:15,750 and partake of His goodness. 1839 01:25:15,834 --> 01:25:18,917 And all are alike unto Him. 1840 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,959 May this be a new beginning for all of us that 1841 01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:24,250 this community may hereafter be known 1842 01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,291 as a place of love for all. 1843 01:25:27,375 --> 01:25:29,458 (cheering) 1844 01:25:32,959 --> 01:25:36,333 ♪ ♪ 1845 01:25:36,417 --> 01:25:39,166 Woman: The church did, um, endorse this, right? Yeah, that was great. 1846 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:42,500 But now, for me, I want them to put their money where their mouth is. 1847 01:25:42,583 --> 01:25:46,083 If they're gonna say, we love all of our LGBT people, 1848 01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:47,625 then let's get rid of that policy, 1849 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:49,834 and let's bring them into full fellowship. 1850 01:25:49,917 --> 01:25:53,000 I mean, for me, personally, nothing less will do. 1851 01:25:53,083 --> 01:25:55,792 Yeah. Because you can say, I love you, all you want, 1852 01:25:55,875 --> 01:25:57,458 but until you act on that 1853 01:25:57,542 --> 01:26:00,500 in a way that feels inclusive and complete, 1854 01:26:00,583 --> 01:26:04,542 then it's, it's a no-go. 1855 01:26:04,625 --> 01:26:07,041 Tyler: I totally get where people are coming from where they say, 1856 01:26:07,125 --> 01:26:10,834 like, it's a big step. It's historic that they're approving 1857 01:26:10,917 --> 01:26:15,500 of anything, uh, LGBT related, but I don't know. 1858 01:26:15,583 --> 01:26:19,583 I'm a little salty because there's still a policy intact, 1859 01:26:19,667 --> 01:26:21,417 and it doesn't take away from everyone that, 1860 01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:22,792 the pain that I went through. 1861 01:26:22,875 --> 01:26:24,125 Like, 1862 01:26:24,208 --> 01:26:28,583 that policy caused me to completely go through a faith crisis. 1863 01:26:28,667 --> 01:26:32,000 I've, you know, had suicidality this last year. 1864 01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:35,000 Like, I don't know where I fit in all the time, 1865 01:26:35,083 --> 01:26:37,542 and that's because of them. 1866 01:26:37,625 --> 01:26:40,500 It's a tiny step with the church. 1867 01:26:40,583 --> 01:26:42,625 It's a huge step for this area. 1868 01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:47,333 I'm the mother of a 17-year-old gay son 1869 01:26:47,417 --> 01:26:50,166 that we lost to suicide a year ago. 1870 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:54,333 We work hard to spread the message of unconditional love 1871 01:26:54,417 --> 01:26:58,166 for all of God's children, so heartbreaking stories... 1872 01:26:59,959 --> 01:27:02,667 like mine won't happen again. 1873 01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:04,250 (cheering) 1874 01:27:05,291 --> 01:27:07,875 George: I'm absolutely just blown away. 1875 01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:10,625 This is a great message to parents to say, you know what? 1876 01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:13,750 It is okay to love your gay kids. 1877 01:27:13,834 --> 01:27:16,834 And I think the thing is kinda hitting me the most is, uh... 1878 01:27:20,792 --> 01:27:22,792 ♪ ♪ 1879 01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:31,625 I know Stockton is really proud. 1880 01:27:34,959 --> 01:27:36,375 He's really proud. 1881 01:27:38,125 --> 01:27:39,375 Yeah. 1882 01:27:39,458 --> 01:27:41,750 He would be dancing. (laughing) He's up there just glowing. 1883 01:27:41,834 --> 01:27:42,792 (laughing) 1884 01:27:42,875 --> 01:27:45,583 Probably... dancing with no clothes on. 1885 01:27:45,667 --> 01:27:46,834 (both laugh) 1886 01:27:46,917 --> 01:27:47,792 That's the truth! 1887 01:27:47,875 --> 01:27:49,792 I was gonna say it, but he did. 1888 01:27:49,875 --> 01:27:52,000 George: He's lovin' this. 1889 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:55,125 (music grows louder) 1890 01:27:55,208 --> 01:27:56,583 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1891 01:27:56,667 --> 01:27:58,417 ♪ I want some more ♪ 1892 01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:00,125 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1893 01:28:03,208 --> 01:28:05,709 ♪ What are you waitin' for? ♪ 1894 01:28:05,792 --> 01:28:08,917 ♪ Say goodbye to my heart ♪ 1895 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,875 ♪ Tonight ♪ 1896 01:28:12,959 --> 01:28:14,959 (cheering) 1897 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,542 You have to know how much it means 1898 01:28:19,625 --> 01:28:23,000 to me personally, in my heart, 1899 01:28:23,083 --> 01:28:25,333 to play at this event 1900 01:28:25,417 --> 01:28:27,000 with my band, Neon Trees, 1901 01:28:27,083 --> 01:28:29,417 on this stage in front of this crowd. 1902 01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:32,500 (cheering) 1903 01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:43,000 Being an openly gay man performing 1904 01:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,542 with my band up here should speak volumes. 1905 01:28:45,625 --> 01:28:48,959 I am happy. I'm proud. I'm open. 1906 01:28:49,041 --> 01:28:51,500 I have friends and family that love me, 1907 01:28:51,583 --> 01:28:52,667 and you will, too. 1908 01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:53,959 (cheering) 1909 01:28:54,041 --> 01:28:56,208 Thank you so much, from the bottom of my heart. 1910 01:28:57,917 --> 01:29:00,291 ♪ It started with a ♪ 1911 01:29:00,375 --> 01:29:04,208 ♪ Whisper ♪ 1912 01:29:05,875 --> 01:29:08,667 ♪ And that was when I ♪ 1913 01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:12,959 ♪ Kissed her ♪ 1914 01:29:13,041 --> 01:29:15,125 I mean, it was a her, at the time. 1915 01:29:15,208 --> 01:29:16,583 (scattered laughter) 1916 01:29:17,542 --> 01:29:19,166 And then I found out... 1917 01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:25,125 ♪ Everybody talks ♪ 1918 01:29:26,417 --> 01:29:29,625 ♪ It started with a whisper ♪ 1919 01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:32,500 ♪ And that was when I kissed her ♪ 1920 01:29:32,583 --> 01:29:35,709 ♪ And then she made my lips hurt ♪ 1921 01:29:35,792 --> 01:29:39,083 ♪ I can hear the chitchat ♪ 1922 01:29:39,166 --> 01:29:41,750 ♪ Take me to your love shack ♪ 1923 01:29:41,834 --> 01:29:44,959 ♪ Mamas always gotta backtrack ♪ 1924 01:29:45,041 --> 01:29:48,875 ♪ When everybody talks back ♪ 1925 01:29:48,959 --> 01:29:51,875 ♪ Everybody talks, everybody talks ♪ 1926 01:29:51,959 --> 01:29:55,291 Crowd: ♪ Everybody talks, everybody talks ♪ 1927 01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,125 ♪ Everybody talks, everybody talks ♪ 1928 01:29:59,125 --> 01:30:01,083 ♪ Back ♪ 1929 01:30:01,166 --> 01:30:02,125 Ooh! 1930 01:30:02,208 --> 01:30:03,667 (cheering) 1931 01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:05,291 Tyler: LoveLoud, good night! 1932 01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:13,834 ♪ ♪ 1933 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,583 Announcer: Are you guys ready for Imagine Dragons? 1934 01:30:22,667 --> 01:30:24,083 (cheering swells) 1935 01:30:24,166 --> 01:30:26,625 ("Believer" playing) 1936 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:40,709 ♪ First things first ♪ 1937 01:30:40,792 --> 01:30:43,542 ♪ I'ma say all the words inside my head ♪ 1938 01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:47,583 ♪ I'm fired up and tired of the way that things have been ♪ 1939 01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:49,208 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1940 01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:51,458 ♪ Yeah, the way that things have been ♪ 1941 01:30:51,542 --> 01:30:54,542 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1942 01:30:54,625 --> 01:30:56,000 ♪ Second thing second ♪ 1943 01:30:56,083 --> 01:30:58,875 ♪ Don't you tell me what you think that I should be ♪ 1944 01:30:58,959 --> 01:31:02,834 ♪ I'm the one at the sails, I'm the master of my sea ♪ 1945 01:31:02,917 --> 01:31:04,667 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1946 01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:06,709 ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪ 1947 01:31:06,792 --> 01:31:09,625 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 1948 01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:12,917 ♪ But they never did, ever lived, ebbing and flowing, inhibited, limited ♪ 1949 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,291 ♪ Till it broke up and it rained down ♪ 1950 01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:18,792 ♪ It rained down, like ♪ 1951 01:31:18,875 --> 01:31:19,875 ♪ Pain ♪ 1952 01:31:19,959 --> 01:31:23,250 ♪ You made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 1953 01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:25,458 ♪ Believer ♪ 1954 01:31:27,083 --> 01:31:30,250 ♪ You break me down, you built me up, believer ♪ 1955 01:31:30,333 --> 01:31:34,208 ♪ ♪ 1956 01:31:44,208 --> 01:31:47,333 (muffled cheers under music) 1957 01:32:04,291 --> 01:32:07,333 (music and cheering continues) 1958 01:32:25,667 --> 01:32:28,083 (muffled cheering continues) 1959 01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:40,417 ♪ ♪ 1960 01:32:55,792 --> 01:32:59,208 (rock music blares) 1961 01:32:59,291 --> 01:33:01,417 (loud cheering) 1962 01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:21,458 (music fades) 1963 01:33:32,500 --> 01:33:34,500 ♪ ♪ 1964 01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:50,166 Dan: LoveLoud was everything we could've hoped for and more. 1965 01:33:51,542 --> 01:33:52,792 It showed, 1966 01:33:52,875 --> 01:33:55,000 it's not just me, as a Mormon, 1967 01:33:55,083 --> 01:34:00,000 who is antsy for change. 1968 01:34:00,083 --> 01:34:03,583 The whole Mormon community came out in droves to say, 1969 01:34:03,667 --> 01:34:08,000 this is a place, uh, within the church that is broken. 1970 01:34:08,083 --> 01:34:09,875 How can we fix it? 1971 01:34:09,959 --> 01:34:11,000 ♪ ♪ 1972 01:34:11,083 --> 01:34:13,834 Leading up to LoveLoud, uh, the church 1973 01:34:13,917 --> 01:34:15,291 obviously, reached out to me, 1974 01:34:15,375 --> 01:34:18,333 and we have been having, kind of, an open dialogue. 1975 01:34:18,417 --> 01:34:20,458 Coming out of LoveLoud, 1976 01:34:20,542 --> 01:34:22,083 everybody was feeling 1977 01:34:22,166 --> 01:34:24,041 positive momentum. 1978 01:34:24,125 --> 01:34:28,625 I had been extremely excited for General Conference. 1979 01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:30,792 And general conference happens twice a year. 1980 01:34:30,875 --> 01:34:34,000 It's where the apostles, and the prophets speak, 1981 01:34:34,083 --> 01:34:37,625 uh, like on live television to the world, 1982 01:34:37,709 --> 01:34:41,166 and to all the Mormons. And I think a lot of Mormons, 1983 01:34:41,250 --> 01:34:47,458 myself, were waiting to hear an apostle say, 1984 01:34:47,542 --> 01:34:50,750 now let's start to do something to change this. 1985 01:34:50,834 --> 01:34:51,834 Members of 1986 01:34:51,917 --> 01:34:54,875 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1987 01:34:54,959 --> 01:34:57,834 are blessed with unique doctrine 1988 01:34:57,917 --> 01:35:01,041 and different ways of viewing the world. 1989 01:35:01,125 --> 01:35:04,875 We've witnessed a rapid and increasing public acceptance 1990 01:35:04,959 --> 01:35:07,333 of cohabitation without marriage 1991 01:35:07,417 --> 01:35:09,000 and same-sex marriage. 1992 01:35:09,083 --> 01:35:11,166 Dan: Elder Oaks talked about the Family Proclamation, 1993 01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:16,458 which is basically an old piece that was put together 1994 01:35:16,542 --> 01:35:18,250 from the church that was released about 1995 01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:20,125 marriage is between a man and a woman, 1996 01:35:20,208 --> 01:35:24,125 and these are the things that make up a good, healthy family. 1997 01:35:24,208 --> 01:35:27,083 The Family Proclamation begins by declaring that 1998 01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:31,959 marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God, 1999 01:35:32,041 --> 01:35:35,834 and that the family is central to the Creator's plan 2000 01:35:35,917 --> 01:35:40,041 for the eternal destiny of his children. 2001 01:35:40,125 --> 01:35:44,709 It also affirms that gender is an essential characteristic of 2002 01:35:44,792 --> 01:35:49,917 individual, premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. 2003 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,583 Dan: The church basically just 2004 01:35:51,667 --> 01:35:56,208 doubled down on everything they've been pounding into 2005 01:35:56,291 --> 01:36:00,792 my head, and Mormons' heads for years, which is 2006 01:36:00,875 --> 01:36:04,625 to be gay, and act upon it, is a sin. 2007 01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:06,917 Marriage is between man and a woman. 2008 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,792 Popular culture, popular people will try to tell you otherwise. 2009 01:36:11,875 --> 01:36:13,834 Dallin: Every generation has its tests, 2010 01:36:13,917 --> 01:36:17,083 and its chance to stand and prove itself. 2011 01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:19,583 I believe our attitude toward, 2012 01:36:19,667 --> 01:36:21,500 and use of the Family Proclamation, 2013 01:36:21,583 --> 01:36:25,083 is one of those tests for this generation. 2014 01:36:25,166 --> 01:36:30,208 I pray for all Latter-day Saints to stand firm in that test. 2015 01:36:31,166 --> 01:36:34,250 In light of LoveLoud, 2016 01:36:35,667 --> 01:36:39,166 that, for me, was a dark day 2017 01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:40,792 (laughs) to say the least. 2018 01:36:40,875 --> 01:36:42,917 It's a dark week, a dark month. 2019 01:36:43,875 --> 01:36:45,875 (strumming) 2020 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,291 Dan: With that being said, 2021 01:36:55,375 --> 01:36:57,959 if there's one thing my Mormon values have taught me 2022 01:36:58,041 --> 01:36:59,041 since I was young... 2023 01:36:59,125 --> 01:37:00,333 ♪ First things first ♪ 2024 01:37:00,417 --> 01:37:03,250 ♪ I'ma say all the words inside my head ♪ 2025 01:37:03,333 --> 01:37:07,458 ♪ I'm fired up and tired of the way that things have been ♪ 2026 01:37:07,542 --> 01:37:08,542 ♪ Oh... ♪ 2027 01:37:08,625 --> 01:37:11,458 it's that no matter what the world says 2028 01:37:11,542 --> 01:37:15,166 about who you are, what you believe, 2029 01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:17,000 still do it, 100 percent. 2030 01:37:17,083 --> 01:37:18,417 (continues playing) 2031 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,333 That spirit was the spirit that carried me through my mission. 2032 01:37:21,417 --> 01:37:26,291 I felt like I was bearing my truth, 2033 01:37:26,375 --> 01:37:29,125 regardless of what anybody thought about me. 2034 01:37:29,208 --> 01:37:32,166 That's all because of Mormonism and my parents, 2035 01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:36,041 and so they have all prepped me for this moment now. 2036 01:37:36,125 --> 01:37:40,500 ♪ Pain, you made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 2037 01:37:40,583 --> 01:37:42,166 ♪ Believer ♪ 2038 01:37:43,583 --> 01:37:48,166 ♪ Pain, you break me down, you build me up, believer ♪ 2039 01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:49,917 ♪ Believer ♪ 2040 01:37:52,250 --> 01:37:55,333 Dan: A determined Mormon is a scary thing. 2041 01:37:55,417 --> 01:37:56,917 I will tell you that. 2042 01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,917 Because they don't stop. 2043 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,667 I knocked 100 doors to get into one door. 2044 01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:06,291 I knocked thousands of doors on my mission. 2045 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,875 If there's one thing I can guarantee, 2046 01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:14,041 it's that I will continue to knock this door 2047 01:38:14,125 --> 01:38:15,709 until somebody answers. 2048 01:38:15,792 --> 01:38:18,959 ♪ My life, my love, my drive, it came from ♪ 2049 01:38:19,041 --> 01:38:20,000 ♪ Pain ♪ 2050 01:38:20,083 --> 01:38:24,083 ♪ You made me a, you made me a believer ♪ 2051 01:38:24,166 --> 01:38:26,458 ♪ Believer ♪ 2052 01:38:26,542 --> 01:38:29,041 (strums) 2053 01:38:42,333 --> 01:38:44,875 ♪ ♪ 2054 01:38:53,959 --> 01:38:56,667 ♪ Wake up every morning ♪ 2055 01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:59,542 ♪ With a new resolve ♪ 2056 01:38:59,625 --> 01:39:02,166 ♪ Two hands and one heart ♪ 2057 01:39:02,250 --> 01:39:05,834 ♪ Let the world revolve ♪ 2058 01:39:05,917 --> 01:39:08,917 Because of LoveLoud, my dad felt like he had 2059 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,875 the permission to love and accept me for who I am, 2060 01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:15,750 and LoveLoud gave us a bonding, 2061 01:39:15,834 --> 01:39:18,917 and that I am really grateful for. 2062 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,417 It gave me the guts to talk about my son's sexuality 2063 01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:24,375 in ways that I had never been able to before. 2064 01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:26,750 I've had four people come out to me since LoveLoud. 2065 01:39:26,834 --> 01:39:30,458 They said that LoveLoud gave them the courage to live their truth. 2066 01:39:30,542 --> 01:39:34,750 LoveLoud gave me the opportunity to tell my story, 2067 01:39:34,834 --> 01:39:39,125 and declare that I am worth it in front of thousands of people. 2068 01:39:39,208 --> 01:39:42,250 LoveLoud gave my family the chance to stand 2069 01:39:42,333 --> 01:39:45,375 shoulder to shoulder with our transgender son. 2070 01:39:45,458 --> 01:39:48,875 And not only him, but with neighbors and extended family, 2071 01:39:48,959 --> 01:39:53,458 who never would have ever shown up for an LGBT event. 2072 01:39:53,542 --> 01:39:54,792 LoveLoud gave me hope, 2073 01:39:54,875 --> 01:39:57,834 and inspiration that things can change. 2074 01:39:57,917 --> 01:40:01,208 That I, myself, can be a force for good in my own community. 2075 01:40:01,291 --> 01:40:03,375 Looking at this crowd of thousands of people, 2076 01:40:03,458 --> 01:40:06,250 I realize these are people I don't have to be scared of. 2077 01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:07,500 There's a lot of support 2078 01:40:07,583 --> 01:40:10,834 in my community that I didn't realize was there, 2079 01:40:10,917 --> 01:40:15,000 and it was honestly one of the best days of my life. 2080 01:40:15,083 --> 01:40:16,000 When I was 13, 14, 2081 01:40:16,083 --> 01:40:19,834 I felt completely isolated and silenced, 2082 01:40:19,917 --> 01:40:22,250 and it hasn't even been that long, 2083 01:40:22,333 --> 01:40:24,500 and I just feel so hopeful 2084 01:40:26,125 --> 01:40:28,709 about the future, and that 2085 01:40:28,792 --> 01:40:31,583 things will just keep getting better, and... 2086 01:40:33,291 --> 01:40:34,583 I hope it does. 2087 01:40:34,667 --> 01:40:37,875 ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪ 2088 01:40:37,959 --> 01:40:40,000 ♪ Hoping for a change ♪ 2089 01:40:40,083 --> 01:40:43,792 ♪ But, things just stay the same ♪ 2090 01:40:45,667 --> 01:40:49,125 ♪ I keep walking roads ♪ 2091 01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:51,333 ♪ Looking for the home ♪ 2092 01:40:51,417 --> 01:40:56,583 ♪ That I can call my own ♪ 2093 01:40:56,667 --> 01:40:58,333 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2094 01:40:58,417 --> 01:40:59,417 ♪ I'm ♪ 2095 01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,208 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2096 01:41:01,291 --> 01:41:02,208 ♪ I'm ♪ 2097 01:41:02,291 --> 01:41:04,000 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2098 01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:05,208 ♪ I'm ♪ 2099 01:41:05,291 --> 01:41:06,917 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2100 01:41:07,834 --> 01:41:09,583 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2101 01:41:09,667 --> 01:41:10,583 ♪ I'm ♪ 2102 01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:12,375 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2103 01:41:12,458 --> 01:41:13,375 ♪ I'm ♪ 2104 01:41:13,458 --> 01:41:15,000 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2105 01:41:15,083 --> 01:41:16,208 ♪ I'm ♪ 2106 01:41:16,291 --> 01:41:19,542 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2107 01:41:19,625 --> 01:41:23,250 Dan: Love is not a product of reasonings and statistics. 2108 01:41:23,333 --> 01:41:25,041 It just comes, 2109 01:41:25,125 --> 01:41:26,500 and none knows whence. 2110 01:41:26,583 --> 01:41:28,375 It cannot explain itself. 2111 01:41:29,917 --> 01:41:31,417 Love is a madness. 2112 01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:33,583 If thwarted, it develops fast. 2113 01:41:35,166 --> 01:41:37,542 When you fish for love, 2114 01:41:37,625 --> 01:41:40,125 bait with your heart. Not your brain. 2115 01:41:40,208 --> 01:41:41,417 ♪ ♪ 2116 01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:44,875 ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪ 2117 01:41:44,959 --> 01:41:46,959 ♪ Hoping for a change ♪ 2118 01:41:47,041 --> 01:41:50,875 ♪ But, things just stay the same ♪ 2119 01:41:52,667 --> 01:41:56,166 ♪ I keep walking roads ♪ 2120 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:58,250 ♪ Looking for a home ♪ 2121 01:41:58,333 --> 01:42:03,583 ♪ That I can call my own ♪ 2122 01:42:03,667 --> 01:42:05,291 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2123 01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:06,333 ♪ I'm ♪ 2124 01:42:06,417 --> 01:42:08,041 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2125 01:42:08,125 --> 01:42:09,125 ♪ I'm ♪ 2126 01:42:09,208 --> 01:42:10,750 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2127 01:42:10,834 --> 01:42:12,041 ♪ I'm ♪ 2128 01:42:12,125 --> 01:42:13,959 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2129 01:42:14,875 --> 01:42:16,333 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2130 01:42:16,417 --> 01:42:17,542 ♪ I'm ♪ 2131 01:42:17,625 --> 01:42:19,291 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2132 01:42:19,375 --> 01:42:20,375 ♪ I'm ♪ 2133 01:42:20,458 --> 01:42:22,083 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2134 01:42:22,166 --> 01:42:23,041 ♪ I'm ♪ 2135 01:42:23,125 --> 01:42:25,834 ♪ Skipping stones ♪ 2136 01:42:37,208 --> 01:42:40,333 (music ends)