0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Kunjungi www.Starbet99.com Agen Judi Online Aman dan Terpercaya 1 00:00:04,362 --> 00:00:09,362 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:10,076 --> 00:00:12,634 JOAN JETT: Ever since I wanted to play guitar... 3 00:00:12,636 --> 00:00:14,393 when I was about 13, 4 00:00:14,395 --> 00:00:15,801 I asked my parents for a guitar for Christmas. 5 00:00:15,803 --> 00:00:18,105 And they kind of thought, you know, 6 00:00:18,107 --> 00:00:19,706 that's strange, but they got it for me. 7 00:00:19,708 --> 00:00:21,497 It's like this thing you get at Sears, you know, 8 00:00:21,499 --> 00:00:24,250 Thirty dollars, you get the guitar and the amp. 9 00:00:24,252 --> 00:00:27,037 I was really excited. I had no idea how to play it. 10 00:00:27,291 --> 00:00:29,081 But I got it plugged in, and I just sat there 11 00:00:29,083 --> 00:00:30,105 on the low "E" string... 12 00:00:30,107 --> 00:00:33,017 (STRUMMING NOTE) 13 00:00:33,019 --> 00:00:36,795 ...for hours, and drove my parents absolutely insane. 14 00:00:37,436 --> 00:00:39,802 Then I wanted to learn how to play 15 00:00:39,804 --> 00:00:42,588 and went and took a lesson, and the guy said, 16 00:00:43,035 --> 00:00:44,634 "Girls don't play rock 'n' roll." 17 00:00:44,636 --> 00:00:47,197 ♪ I don't give a damn 'bout my reputation ♪ 18 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:51,549 ♪ I've never been afraid of any deviation ♪ 19 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:55,547 ♪ An' I don't really care if you think I'm strange ♪ 20 00:00:55,867 --> 00:00:57,818 ♪ I ain't gonna change ♪ 21 00:00:57,820 --> 00:01:00,316 ♪ An' I'm never gonna care 'bout my bad reputation ♪ 22 00:01:02,426 --> 00:01:04,600 ♪ Oh, no No, no, no, no, no, no ♪ 23 00:01:04,602 --> 00:01:06,617 ♪ Not me Me, me, me, me, me, me ♪ 24 00:01:06,619 --> 00:01:09,018 ♪ Oh, no No, no, no, no, no, no ♪ 25 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:11,065 ♪ Not me Me, me, me, me, me, me ♪ 26 00:01:11,067 --> 00:01:12,444 ♪ Pedal, boys! ♪ 27 00:01:19,963 --> 00:01:21,084 ♪ Not me! ♪ 28 00:01:22,108 --> 00:01:24,857 Growing up in the '70s, it was sort of a feminism, 29 00:01:24,859 --> 00:01:28,377 and I didn't think that it would be such a big deal 30 00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:30,300 for a girl to try to play rock 'n' roll. 31 00:01:30,683 --> 00:01:34,524 ♪ ("REBEL REBEL" BY DAVID BOWIE PLAYS) ♪ 32 00:01:48,444 --> 00:01:50,522 JOAN: I'd started reading about this club 33 00:01:50,524 --> 00:01:51,675 probably when I was 12, 34 00:01:51,867 --> 00:01:53,659 Rodney Bingenheimer's English Disco. 35 00:01:55,386 --> 00:01:57,496 MAN: He was the first to play records by Blondie, 36 00:01:57,498 --> 00:02:00,669 The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and Nirvana, to name a few. 37 00:02:02,427 --> 00:02:06,106 JOAN: They'd play Bowie, and they'd play T. Rex, 38 00:02:06,108 --> 00:02:08,824 Iggy Pop, Suzi Quatro, who I'd never heard of, 39 00:02:08,826 --> 00:02:10,457 who was this girl playing bass. 40 00:02:10,459 --> 00:02:12,312 It was a disco for teenagers. 41 00:02:12,314 --> 00:02:14,267 If you were, like, 21, you were already too old, 42 00:02:14,556 --> 00:02:18,105 though rock stars of that era would come in. 43 00:02:18,107 --> 00:02:21,051 I was a naive kid, so going to Hollywood, 44 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:22,492 it was a big night out. 45 00:02:22,844 --> 00:02:24,441 I talked some kids to come with me, 46 00:02:24,443 --> 00:02:27,193 and there were guys and girls with tons of makeup on 47 00:02:27,195 --> 00:02:30,041 and crazy hairdos and lots of glitter 48 00:02:30,043 --> 00:02:32,986 and really short skirts and dresses and fishnets, 49 00:02:32,988 --> 00:02:34,841 and it was just, "What the fuck is this?" 50 00:02:34,843 --> 00:02:37,467 A club full of a bunch of weirdos 51 00:02:37,659 --> 00:02:40,699 living in a city that's known to be full of weirdos. 52 00:02:41,404 --> 00:02:42,745 ♪ I love you so ♪ 53 00:02:42,747 --> 00:02:44,890 ♪ ("GET IT ON" BY T. REX PLAYS) ♪ 54 00:02:44,892 --> 00:02:48,154 JOAN: And they're blasting all this raunchy and dirty... 55 00:02:48,156 --> 00:02:50,043 but clean dirty, you know, like playing on 56 00:02:50,235 --> 00:02:52,632 double entendres and stuff like that, 57 00:02:52,634 --> 00:02:54,585 and some of it was straight-up dirtier. 58 00:02:54,587 --> 00:02:58,618 That music hit you in a spot you couldn't really describe, 59 00:02:58,620 --> 00:03:01,149 and it made you want to do it and there was something... 60 00:03:02,364 --> 00:03:03,388 down there. 61 00:03:04,091 --> 00:03:05,785 As you're a kid, you can't put your finger on it yet, 62 00:03:05,787 --> 00:03:07,225 so to speak. 63 00:03:07,227 --> 00:03:08,955 I'm walking into all these dirty jokes. 64 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:11,001 I only remember the sex. 65 00:03:11,003 --> 00:03:13,116 I don't remember anything else about LA at all, apparently. 66 00:03:13,308 --> 00:03:15,226 EVELYN MCDONNELL: There was a kind of depravity 67 00:03:15,228 --> 00:03:17,625 going on in Los Angeles at that time. 68 00:03:17,627 --> 00:03:20,827 Quaaludes were really important to understanding 69 00:03:21,083 --> 00:03:24,633 1970s rock 'n' roll culture in California. 70 00:03:24,635 --> 00:03:26,425 DON BOLLES: I think everyone was into Quaaludes then, 71 00:03:26,427 --> 00:03:29,050 'cause you could. Quaaludes were a ridiculous drug, 72 00:03:29,052 --> 00:03:30,680 but everyone seemed to like them. 73 00:03:30,682 --> 00:03:33,978 They were young suburban kids out to wreak havoc, 74 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:36,857 and get the hell away from the suburbs and their parents. 75 00:03:36,859 --> 00:03:38,649 It was just a nutty time. 76 00:03:38,651 --> 00:03:41,050 EVELYN: Again, this was coming out of Stonewall, 77 00:03:41,052 --> 00:03:43,065 the start of the gay liberation movement. 78 00:03:43,067 --> 00:03:45,436 The nuclear bomb has gone off in the nuclear family. 79 00:03:47,323 --> 00:03:49,627 ♪ Bye-bye... ♪ 80 00:03:49,851 --> 00:03:51,640 JOAN: My mother and I used to go to the movies 81 00:03:51,642 --> 00:03:52,793 pretty much every weekend. 82 00:03:52,795 --> 00:03:55,128 We went to go see Cabaret. 83 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:57,594 Really blew my mind. I loved Liza Minnelli. 84 00:03:57,596 --> 00:03:59,901 I loved the combination of the campiness, 85 00:04:00,124 --> 00:04:02,716 1920s Germany, and the flapper girl vibe. 86 00:04:03,036 --> 00:04:05,657 So obviously being around a place like Rodney's, 87 00:04:05,659 --> 00:04:07,161 that was campy, too. 88 00:04:07,163 --> 00:04:09,661 It was exactly the sort of vibe in Cabaret. 89 00:04:10,332 --> 00:04:12,347 ♪ You're better off without me... ♪ 90 00:04:12,539 --> 00:04:16,380 JOAN: But whatever happened, Cabaret, Hollywood, 91 00:04:16,602 --> 00:04:20,665 and the idea about playing music all fused into one. 92 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:22,906 RODNEY BINGENHEIMER: I always called Joan Jett 93 00:04:22,908 --> 00:04:24,987 and David Bowie "time travelers" 94 00:04:25,755 --> 00:04:28,697 because they're into all this music before it happens. 95 00:04:28,699 --> 00:04:31,035 JOAN: At one point, I met a girl, and she wrote lyrics. 96 00:04:31,452 --> 00:04:34,393 Kari Krome was just another kid like me 97 00:04:34,395 --> 00:04:37,784 hanging out at the Disco, and she said, you know, 98 00:04:37,786 --> 00:04:39,707 "Maybe you should talk to my publisher. 99 00:04:40,092 --> 00:04:41,497 His name's Kim Fowley." 100 00:04:41,499 --> 00:04:43,514 He called me up one day and, you know, 101 00:04:43,516 --> 00:04:45,464 "So-and-so says you want to form a band." 102 00:04:45,466 --> 00:04:47,739 I said, "Yeah, I want to form an all-girl band. 103 00:04:47,995 --> 00:04:49,337 I can't be the only girl in Hollywood 104 00:04:49,339 --> 00:04:50,872 that wants to do this." 105 00:04:50,874 --> 00:04:52,666 He said, "Well, do you have any demos?" 106 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:54,713 I didn't even know what a demo was. 107 00:04:54,715 --> 00:04:57,881 A couple days later, it happened that Sandy West, 108 00:04:57,883 --> 00:04:59,834 who was the drummer of The Runaways, 109 00:04:59,836 --> 00:05:02,780 she drove up with some friends to hang out at the Rainbow, 110 00:05:03,163 --> 00:05:06,106 the Rainbow parking lot, which is a place 111 00:05:06,108 --> 00:05:09,017 where people go to watch stars, and people would hobnob 112 00:05:09,019 --> 00:05:11,033 and shoot the shit for a few hours, 113 00:05:11,035 --> 00:05:12,984 and she went up to him saying... 114 00:05:12,986 --> 00:05:15,227 SANDY WEST: I said, "Hi, you know, I play drums, 115 00:05:15,675 --> 00:05:17,180 and I'm in a band right now." 116 00:05:17,564 --> 00:05:19,865 He goes, "How old are you?" "Well, I'm 15 and a half." 117 00:05:19,867 --> 00:05:21,531 He says, "You're kidding me." 118 00:05:21,723 --> 00:05:23,448 He goes, "I'm working with a girl right now who's 14. 119 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:25,209 I think she knows a friend out in the Valley 120 00:05:25,211 --> 00:05:27,418 who plays electric guitar." Turned out to be Joan. 121 00:05:27,420 --> 00:05:29,464 She arrived a couple weeks later 122 00:05:29,466 --> 00:05:31,418 with her little Sears guitar in hand, 123 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:33,018 three buses and four hours later 124 00:05:33,020 --> 00:05:34,425 from Canoga Park to Huntington Beach, 125 00:05:34,427 --> 00:05:35,929 and she had such great rhythm 126 00:05:35,931 --> 00:05:37,400 that hit it off so well together. 127 00:05:37,402 --> 00:05:39,194 Picked up the phone, called Kim, 128 00:05:39,196 --> 00:05:40,793 said, "Listen to this," and we played 129 00:05:40,795 --> 00:05:42,682 some sort of Chuck Berry-ish thing 130 00:05:42,684 --> 00:05:44,092 or maybe "Wild Thing." 131 00:05:44,986 --> 00:05:46,013 ♪ Wild thing ♪ 132 00:05:47,995 --> 00:05:49,852 ♪ You make my heart sing ♪ 133 00:05:51,739 --> 00:05:53,593 ♪ You make everything ♪ 134 00:05:53,595 --> 00:05:55,036 ♪ Come on... ♪ 135 00:05:55,675 --> 00:05:58,395 JOAN: Man, Sandy, we really connected. 136 00:05:59,195 --> 00:06:01,848 That was the genesis of The Runaways. 137 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:03,195 It was the heart. 138 00:06:03,674 --> 00:06:05,881 INTERVIEWER: What were your first impressions of LA? 139 00:06:05,883 --> 00:06:09,880 It was Rodney and Kim Fowley walking down somewhere together. 140 00:06:09,882 --> 00:06:12,921 Kim Fowley looked like Frankenstein 141 00:06:12,923 --> 00:06:14,841 if Frankenstein was on crack. 142 00:06:14,843 --> 00:06:21,304 He had produced a couple of very obscure novelty hits. 143 00:06:21,306 --> 00:06:23,385 I think he was involved with something 144 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:25,944 called "Alley Oop" by the Hollywood Argyles. 145 00:06:25,946 --> 00:06:27,260 I always loved the song. 146 00:06:27,644 --> 00:06:29,752 ♪ There's a cat in the funny papers ♪ 147 00:06:29,754 --> 00:06:32,411 ♪ We all know Alley oop-oop ♪ 148 00:06:32,699 --> 00:06:34,428 ♪ Oop, oop-oop ♪ 149 00:06:34,716 --> 00:06:37,436 ♪ He lived way back A long time ago ♪ 150 00:06:37,627 --> 00:06:38,524 Et cetera. 151 00:06:39,484 --> 00:06:42,361 He flirted around with working with me, 152 00:06:42,363 --> 00:06:44,344 and I really didn't want to get too involved. 153 00:06:44,346 --> 00:06:47,320 One day, he said, "Well, I've got a group going, 154 00:06:47,322 --> 00:06:49,403 and they are The Runaways." 155 00:06:49,851 --> 00:06:53,530 KIM FOWLEY: I said, "Joan, let's go to the Sugar Shack 156 00:06:53,532 --> 00:06:56,057 because there will be some girls out there 157 00:06:56,059 --> 00:06:57,784 who will know who you are." 158 00:06:57,786 --> 00:06:59,322 JOAN: We had a three-piece lineup 159 00:06:59,324 --> 00:07:00,857 that we created in the first month, 160 00:07:00,859 --> 00:07:02,684 but I was so shy at this point, 161 00:07:03,676 --> 00:07:05,404 it was obvious I couldn't sing lead. 162 00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:07,545 You know, I was... I was too shy, 163 00:07:07,547 --> 00:07:10,428 and I was embarrassed kind of to be on stage. 164 00:07:10,938 --> 00:07:14,394 KIM: The whole room was full of miniature lipstick lesbian 165 00:07:14,396 --> 00:07:17,144 teenage girls, and then you had the gay boys 166 00:07:17,146 --> 00:07:18,619 who were mincing around. 167 00:07:18,844 --> 00:07:20,824 ♪ ("BLOCKBUSTER" BY THE SWEET PLAYS) ♪ 168 00:07:20,826 --> 00:07:23,673 KIM: And a girl, Cherie Currie, walked up 169 00:07:23,675 --> 00:07:25,820 and in a stage whisper said, "That's Joan Jett!" 170 00:07:26,203 --> 00:07:28,089 ♪ You better watch out if you got long black hair ♪ 171 00:07:28,091 --> 00:07:30,009 CHERIE CURRIE: I had heard about The Runaways. 172 00:07:30,011 --> 00:07:32,088 And there was this little bit of a buzz going on 173 00:07:32,090 --> 00:07:34,939 about this teenage rock group, so when I met her, it was... 174 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,916 you know, it was a little, "Wow, it's Joan!" 175 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:40,184 KIM: I said, "You're either cruising her 176 00:07:40,186 --> 00:07:42,139 because you're a dyke, or you want to be 177 00:07:42,523 --> 00:07:43,738 the lead singer of The Runaways. 178 00:07:43,740 --> 00:07:45,432 Can you sing?" "Yes." 179 00:07:45,434 --> 00:07:47,416 "Good, you're gonna audition tomorrow." 180 00:07:47,418 --> 00:07:49,625 And then she brought her twin sister up. 181 00:07:49,627 --> 00:07:51,834 And I said, "I'm not interested in a sister act. 182 00:07:51,836 --> 00:07:55,420 I'm interested in one Brigitte Bardot 183 00:07:55,675 --> 00:08:00,953 fronting the screaming, loud, obnoxious, rebellious girls 184 00:08:00,955 --> 00:08:02,680 who can take over the world." 185 00:08:02,682 --> 00:08:04,154 And everybody had big smiles on their faces. 186 00:08:04,156 --> 00:08:05,596 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." 187 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:07,672 - ANNOUNCER: The Runaways! - (CROWD CHEERING) 188 00:08:07,674 --> 00:08:10,874 JOAN: I think Sandy came across Lita by December of '75. 189 00:08:10,876 --> 00:08:13,340 The three-piece was over, and we had Cherie 190 00:08:13,564 --> 00:08:15,644 and a bass player named Jackie Fox. 191 00:08:16,507 --> 00:08:19,577 ♪ Can't stay at home, can't stay at school ♪ 192 00:08:19,579 --> 00:08:22,873 ♪ Old folks say "You poor little fool" ♪ 193 00:08:22,875 --> 00:08:26,009 ♪ Down the street I'm the girl next door ♪ 194 00:08:26,011 --> 00:08:29,144 ♪ I'm the fox You've been waiting for ♪ 195 00:08:29,146 --> 00:08:32,121 ♪ Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom ♪ 196 00:08:32,123 --> 00:08:35,004 ♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch... Cherry bomb ♪ 197 00:08:35,643 --> 00:08:38,553 ♪ Hello, world I'm your wild girl ♪ 198 00:08:38,555 --> 00:08:41,657 ♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch Cherry bomb ♪ 199 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:43,705 JOAN: Kim and I wrote "Cherry Bomb" on the spot 200 00:08:43,707 --> 00:08:45,497 when Cherie came to audition, 201 00:08:45,499 --> 00:08:48,888 and it became such an iconic song for The Runaways. 202 00:08:48,890 --> 00:08:51,737 ♪ Bad nights Causing teenage blues ♪ 203 00:08:51,739 --> 00:08:55,001 ♪ Get down, ladies You've got nothin' to lose ♪ 204 00:08:55,003 --> 00:08:56,536 KIM: When we were putting The Runaways together, 205 00:08:56,538 --> 00:08:58,393 it was based on Darwin. 206 00:08:58,395 --> 00:09:01,593 Let's start with the evolution of a man in show business. 207 00:09:01,595 --> 00:09:04,217 ♪ Hello, world I'm your wild girl ♪ 208 00:09:04,219 --> 00:09:06,553 ♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch... ♪ 209 00:09:06,555 --> 00:09:08,505 KIM: The guys just kept getting more and more 210 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:10,076 and more and more feminine. 211 00:09:10,874 --> 00:09:13,401 Elvis was feminine. Sinatra was feminine. 212 00:09:13,403 --> 00:09:15,064 Bing Crosby was feminine, 213 00:09:15,066 --> 00:09:16,856 but if you keep getting more and more feminine, 214 00:09:16,858 --> 00:09:19,035 you're gonna get to female, duh. 215 00:09:20,667 --> 00:09:23,833 ♪ Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom... ♪ 216 00:09:23,835 --> 00:09:25,944 JOAN: What Jimi Hendrix said about women 217 00:09:25,946 --> 00:09:26,971 playing rock 'n' roll 218 00:09:27,707 --> 00:09:30,172 and when they do, they'll be looked at like aliens. 219 00:09:30,395 --> 00:09:32,284 In our case, it was absolutely true. 220 00:09:32,507 --> 00:09:34,265 ♪ Cherry bomb! ♪ 221 00:09:34,267 --> 00:09:36,028 KIM: If you look at the lyrics of The Runaways, 222 00:09:36,219 --> 00:09:39,004 you'll find that there is an openness 223 00:09:39,226 --> 00:09:42,139 that most teenage girls did not have in real life. 224 00:09:42,747 --> 00:09:44,473 JOAN: Everything happened really fast. 225 00:09:44,475 --> 00:09:47,482 We were playing gigs. We were in the studio. 226 00:09:47,484 --> 00:09:49,372 We just cut the tracks live. 227 00:09:49,915 --> 00:09:52,600 I was so into this idea 228 00:09:52,602 --> 00:09:54,744 of girls being able to play rock 'n' roll, 229 00:09:54,746 --> 00:09:57,915 and that they'll play as well as boys will, 230 00:09:58,106 --> 00:10:00,184 and girls playing rock 'n' roll 231 00:10:00,186 --> 00:10:02,360 would be so cool and sexy 232 00:10:02,362 --> 00:10:03,740 because it's never been done. 233 00:10:04,219 --> 00:10:05,820 I thought everybody would love it. 234 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:08,153 Once they realized it was serious 235 00:10:08,155 --> 00:10:10,617 and we planned to make an album and go on tour 236 00:10:10,619 --> 00:10:12,920 and do everything the male bands were doing, 237 00:10:12,922 --> 00:10:14,714 the tables turned where it went from, 238 00:10:15,484 --> 00:10:21,340 "Oh, cute, sweet," to "Slut, whore, cunt." 239 00:10:22,267 --> 00:10:24,025 I've been hurt. 240 00:10:24,027 --> 00:10:26,332 I've had my head split open by a beer bottle, 241 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:31,193 a rib cracked by getting a battery thrown at me, 242 00:10:31,195 --> 00:10:35,834 like, a big metal rig thing just because I was a girl. 243 00:10:36,251 --> 00:10:37,723 You know, get spit on. 244 00:10:37,916 --> 00:10:40,252 I mean, I just felt like I couldn't leave the stage. 245 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,683 You know, I'd go off afterwards and cry 246 00:10:43,195 --> 00:10:45,433 just because they didn't get it, and then I'd feel better 247 00:10:45,435 --> 00:10:47,417 after I'd... you know, cried a little bit, going, 248 00:10:47,419 --> 00:10:52,217 "Why? What's with that, that people need to be so hateful 249 00:10:52,219 --> 00:10:54,105 because you're playing rock 'n' roll," you know? 250 00:10:54,107 --> 00:10:55,704 Some of the other girls got tired of it, 251 00:10:55,706 --> 00:10:56,793 and I don't blame them. 252 00:10:56,795 --> 00:10:58,393 It was just that to me, 253 00:10:58,395 --> 00:10:59,452 it felt like that's what I had to do. 254 00:10:59,674 --> 00:11:01,305 Tell me I can't do something, 255 00:11:01,307 --> 00:11:02,873 and you'll make sure I'm gonna be doing it. 256 00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:05,528 RODNEY: Hey, I heard a story, a rumor. 257 00:11:05,530 --> 00:11:07,256 Someplace where you're rehearsing, 258 00:11:07,258 --> 00:11:09,020 what were you guys wearing during the rehearsal? 259 00:11:09,979 --> 00:11:11,132 I heard it was so hot, 260 00:11:11,418 --> 00:11:12,888 the air conditioner broke down, and... 261 00:11:12,890 --> 00:11:13,881 JOAN: What do you want to hear, 262 00:11:13,883 --> 00:11:15,736 "Yeah, we took off our pants"? 263 00:11:15,738 --> 00:11:18,073 JOAN: I remember early on, one of my first interviews 264 00:11:18,075 --> 00:11:21,913 where people probably asked me about sex in the band. 265 00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:25,595 And I thought to myself, if I answer this question, 266 00:11:26,523 --> 00:11:29,594 that's all The Runaways' music will ever be about, is sex. 267 00:11:30,298 --> 00:11:33,788 I have to talk about music. It has to be about music. 268 00:11:34,107 --> 00:11:38,394 Because just being girls exudes that sexuality. 269 00:11:38,396 --> 00:11:40,121 We don't have to talk about it. 270 00:11:40,123 --> 00:11:41,593 JOAN: (ON RECORDING) They don't know 271 00:11:41,595 --> 00:11:42,748 what to say about an all-girl band 272 00:11:43,002 --> 00:11:44,475 besides the fact that we're just a band. 273 00:11:45,658 --> 00:11:46,457 They don't know where to put us, and so they just say, well, 274 00:11:46,459 --> 00:11:48,760 we're young, we sing about, you know, 275 00:11:48,762 --> 00:11:50,681 slightly outrageous things, rebellious things. 276 00:11:50,683 --> 00:11:52,664 So they stick us in that field. 277 00:11:52,666 --> 00:11:54,489 CHRIS STEIN: I was sitting around my house, 278 00:11:54,491 --> 00:11:56,440 and I found an old copy of Crawdaddy magazine, 279 00:11:56,442 --> 00:11:58,520 it was a review of The Runaways 280 00:11:58,522 --> 00:12:01,848 where the guy just slammed the shit out of them. 281 00:12:01,850 --> 00:12:04,153 The stuff he didn't like about them is all the stuff 282 00:12:04,155 --> 00:12:05,849 that everybody loves now, 283 00:12:05,851 --> 00:12:08,828 the fact that they were young and sexy and female. 284 00:12:09,019 --> 00:12:10,777 DEBBIE HARRY: We were all sort of rejects 285 00:12:10,779 --> 00:12:12,252 in terms of the industry. 286 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:15,100 A lot of the criticism that was heaped on them 287 00:12:15,419 --> 00:12:17,625 was very negative and condescending 288 00:12:17,627 --> 00:12:20,185 and, you know, misogynistic. 289 00:12:20,187 --> 00:12:21,881 BILLIE JOE ARMSTRONG: Especially with mainstream press 290 00:12:21,883 --> 00:12:23,132 in, like, the mid-'70s, 291 00:12:23,354 --> 00:12:25,209 You know, people are fucking stupid, 292 00:12:25,211 --> 00:12:27,737 and they'll do anything to create an article, 293 00:12:27,739 --> 00:12:29,084 to create some kind of outrage. 294 00:12:29,626 --> 00:12:32,185 JOAN: Rolling Stone hated The Runaways. 295 00:12:32,187 --> 00:12:34,073 The only time they wrote about us, 296 00:12:34,075 --> 00:12:37,304 "Runaways get arrested and thrown out of Disney World." 297 00:12:37,306 --> 00:12:39,196 We were in a line taking a photo, 298 00:12:39,483 --> 00:12:41,593 and we put our arms around each other walking. 299 00:12:41,595 --> 00:12:44,600 "That's it! Lesbians, out!" 300 00:12:44,602 --> 00:12:46,394 But if you listen to The Runaways, 301 00:12:46,587 --> 00:12:49,336 those are bad-ass rock songs, and they kick the shit 302 00:12:49,338 --> 00:12:52,154 out of almost everything else that was out at that time. 303 00:12:52,347 --> 00:12:54,427 ♪ ("ALL RIGHT YOU GUYS" BY THE RUNAWAYS PLAYS) ♪ 304 00:12:54,906 --> 00:12:57,145 KIM: Women were stepping out as rebels. 305 00:12:57,147 --> 00:12:59,064 Women were getting pissed off in the culture. 306 00:12:59,066 --> 00:13:01,848 They were getting out there and kicking some heads. 307 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:03,673 The guys were turning into fags, 308 00:13:03,675 --> 00:13:06,620 and the women were turning into John Wayne. 309 00:13:07,451 --> 00:13:10,876 ♪ Hey, you, the air Is pretty thick tonight... ♪ 310 00:13:11,163 --> 00:13:12,952 JOAN: At this point, there were signs 311 00:13:12,954 --> 00:13:15,035 the women's-lib movement was really taking root. 312 00:13:15,706 --> 00:13:17,179 It showed so much promise. 313 00:13:17,595 --> 00:13:20,056 All it meant to us was that we could do what we want. 314 00:13:20,058 --> 00:13:23,004 ♪ We don't care what we do Is right as long as we do it ♪ 315 00:13:24,314 --> 00:13:26,681 ♪ We don't care What we do is right... ♪ 316 00:13:26,683 --> 00:13:29,656 JOAN: Kim took us to see Clockwork Orange 317 00:13:29,658 --> 00:13:31,704 and Rollerball, and afterwards, 318 00:13:31,706 --> 00:13:34,107 he turned to me and Cherie and said, 319 00:13:34,299 --> 00:13:36,152 "That's what I want The Runaways to be." 320 00:13:36,154 --> 00:13:38,361 What he did in rehearsal, you know, 321 00:13:38,363 --> 00:13:40,344 throwing stuff at us, calling us names, 322 00:13:40,346 --> 00:13:42,072 that was our boot camp. 323 00:13:42,074 --> 00:13:44,600 We were preparing for exactly what we walked into. 324 00:13:44,602 --> 00:13:46,744 Kim could come off pretty intense, 325 00:13:46,746 --> 00:13:48,665 but I wasn't afraid of him. 326 00:13:48,667 --> 00:13:51,481 EVELYN: Kim is the, you know, most controversial part 327 00:13:51,483 --> 00:13:52,539 of The Runaways. 328 00:13:52,762 --> 00:13:54,617 There were people who loved Kim, 329 00:13:54,619 --> 00:13:57,113 and there are people who actually despise him 330 00:13:57,115 --> 00:13:59,417 and think he was a kind of Satan. 331 00:13:59,419 --> 00:14:01,401 JOAN: My mother liked Kim, 332 00:14:01,403 --> 00:14:03,609 and he would be on the phone with her for hours. 333 00:14:03,611 --> 00:14:05,785 He talked to her a lot, you know, I mean, 334 00:14:05,787 --> 00:14:07,481 probably more than any of the other mothers 335 00:14:07,483 --> 00:14:09,497 and was probably the most friends with her. 336 00:14:09,499 --> 00:14:11,864 I think she felt reassured, but she also knew 337 00:14:11,866 --> 00:14:14,459 how the other mothers were hesitant. 338 00:14:15,579 --> 00:14:18,296 My parents told me I could be anything 339 00:14:18,298 --> 00:14:20,472 I wanted to be when I was five years old, 340 00:14:20,474 --> 00:14:21,308 and I believed them. 341 00:14:21,626 --> 00:14:23,160 So that's the attitude 342 00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:24,953 as a young child that I took into life. 343 00:14:24,955 --> 00:14:27,225 I wanted to be an astronaut. I wanted to be an archaeologist. 344 00:14:27,227 --> 00:14:28,857 I wanted to be all different things. 345 00:14:28,859 --> 00:14:30,204 You know, I didn't realize, really, 346 00:14:31,194 --> 00:14:33,016 there was this glass ceiling. 347 00:14:33,018 --> 00:14:35,835 When they got me that guitar for Christmas, 348 00:14:36,026 --> 00:14:38,296 the electric guitar, I was thinking, 349 00:14:38,298 --> 00:14:39,832 most parents wouldn't do that. 350 00:14:39,834 --> 00:14:41,561 ANNE LARKIN: She always had this inner confidence 351 00:14:41,563 --> 00:14:42,683 that she knew what she wanted. 352 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:44,473 She didn't care what anybody else thought, 353 00:14:44,475 --> 00:14:47,513 even when she was young, and it's, you know, 354 00:14:47,515 --> 00:14:51,161 the single vision, and that's how she was, always. 355 00:14:51,163 --> 00:14:55,001 JOAN: My rebellion, as they say, was not against my parents. 356 00:14:55,003 --> 00:14:56,761 What I saw, that society, 357 00:14:56,763 --> 00:14:59,004 with all this lip service to women, 358 00:14:59,738 --> 00:15:03,067 women's lib and all that, I saw that it was... bull. 359 00:15:04,187 --> 00:15:06,940 ♪♪♪ Rows and flows of angel hair ♪♪ 360 00:15:07,546 --> 00:15:12,283 ♪ And ice cream castles In the air ♪ 361 00:15:12,827 --> 00:15:14,361 There were a lot of girls 362 00:15:14,363 --> 00:15:18,264 who didn't want to be Joni Mitchell, you know? 363 00:15:18,266 --> 00:15:19,928 They wanted to rock. 364 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:22,393 The heaviest ones would drink with you, 365 00:15:22,395 --> 00:15:23,896 do everything with you, 366 00:15:23,898 --> 00:15:27,193 but they were always in that sidecar role, 367 00:15:27,195 --> 00:15:28,825 and then along came The Runaways. 368 00:15:28,827 --> 00:15:31,548 Joan Jett was nobody's sidecar. 369 00:15:32,218 --> 00:15:36,699 ♪ (PLAYING "NEON ANGELS ON THE ROAD TO RUIN") ♪ 370 00:15:39,865 --> 00:15:41,209 EVELYN: It was a very male-dominated 371 00:15:41,211 --> 00:15:43,480 rock-'n'-roll scene in the 1970s, 372 00:15:43,482 --> 00:15:46,521 and the women that were making music at that time 373 00:15:46,523 --> 00:15:50,233 were in kind of stereotypical, "I'm a singer-songwriter," 374 00:15:50,235 --> 00:15:51,736 had a different kind of cultural power. 375 00:15:51,738 --> 00:15:54,076 ♪ In overdrive ♪ 376 00:15:54,618 --> 00:15:56,604 ♪ Cobra kings ♪ 377 00:15:57,018 --> 00:15:59,162 ♪ Wet and wild ♪ 378 00:16:00,154 --> 00:16:04,507 ♪ Love the devil That's in your smile ♪ 379 00:16:04,954 --> 00:16:07,576 ♪ Let me tell you What we've been doin' ♪ 380 00:16:07,578 --> 00:16:09,978 ♪ Neon angels On the road to ruin ♪ 381 00:16:10,394 --> 00:16:12,760 ♪ Let me tell you What we've been doin' ♪ 382 00:16:12,762 --> 00:16:16,347 ♪ Neon angels On the road to ruin ♪ 383 00:16:17,499 --> 00:16:20,828 EVELYN: Rock radio did not play a lot of women artists. 384 00:16:21,018 --> 00:16:23,449 The FM stations at the time, 385 00:16:23,451 --> 00:16:25,369 there'd only be one female artist 386 00:16:25,371 --> 00:16:27,225 on the air per hour. 387 00:16:27,227 --> 00:16:30,556 This was like a literal policy of radio stations. 388 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:34,488 ♪ Let me tell you What we've been doin' ♪ 389 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:36,792 ♪ Neon angels On the road to ruin... ♪ 390 00:16:36,794 --> 00:16:38,393 How many radio stations are playing 391 00:16:38,395 --> 00:16:40,091 this kind of music in the United States now? 392 00:16:40,314 --> 00:16:42,360 - Do we know? - I would think almost none. 393 00:16:42,362 --> 00:16:44,251 Maybe like one or two in New York, one or two in LA. 394 00:16:46,042 --> 00:16:48,216 TOM SNYDER: But from what I've read about it, there's no music. 395 00:16:48,218 --> 00:16:51,192 It's just chords and ranting and raving and putdowns. 396 00:16:51,194 --> 00:16:56,473 - Uh-uh-uh-uh. - No, it's more than that. 397 00:16:56,475 --> 00:16:58,616 I think it's a B-movie on record. 398 00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:00,760 They were young, they were hot, 399 00:17:00,762 --> 00:17:03,320 and their music spoke about who they were 400 00:17:03,322 --> 00:17:05,019 and about their generation. 401 00:17:05,242 --> 00:17:08,280 I mean, it was heartfelt and mentally correct. 402 00:17:08,282 --> 00:17:10,264 KIM: I feel it's a vacuum 403 00:17:10,266 --> 00:17:12,280 because we're living in a fragmented '70s 404 00:17:12,282 --> 00:17:14,810 where there's so many different things happening 405 00:17:15,067 --> 00:17:17,816 that there isn't one Beatles or one Elvis Presley. 406 00:17:17,818 --> 00:17:20,952 It hasn't come yet, and here we are almost in 1980, 407 00:17:20,954 --> 00:17:23,577 and we're still looking over our shoulders at the '60s. 408 00:17:23,579 --> 00:17:25,753 JOAN: There's an inflection point in every generation 409 00:17:25,755 --> 00:17:27,832 where new ideas bubble to the surface 410 00:17:27,834 --> 00:17:30,105 and express themselves in new ways. 411 00:17:30,107 --> 00:17:32,316 The world had never seen a band like us. 412 00:17:33,306 --> 00:17:36,952 I felt that England got us more and did take us seriously. 413 00:17:36,954 --> 00:17:39,547 CHERIE: We were selling out wherever we went. 414 00:17:40,187 --> 00:17:42,459 ♪ ("PRETTY VACANT" BY THE SEX PISTOLS PLAYS) ♪ 415 00:17:42,971 --> 00:17:44,696 JOAN: They seemed to get it. 416 00:17:44,698 --> 00:17:47,895 Kids my age in England had a much wider exposure 417 00:17:47,897 --> 00:17:50,299 to different kinds of music and would embrace it. 418 00:17:51,290 --> 00:17:54,106 The Sex Pistols were a huge part of the British punk scene. 419 00:17:54,586 --> 00:17:57,276 We got a chance to see some of the punk stuff up close. 420 00:17:57,562 --> 00:17:58,939 Really influenced me. 421 00:17:59,226 --> 00:18:01,144 So I kind of went over as a glitter person, 422 00:18:01,146 --> 00:18:02,715 came home dressed as a punk. 423 00:18:03,866 --> 00:18:06,904 ♪ There's no point in asking, You'll get no reply ♪ 424 00:18:06,906 --> 00:18:09,113 JOAN: Yeah, so I used to buy a lot of my accessories 425 00:18:09,115 --> 00:18:12,633 at a sex store, S&M fetish store 426 00:18:12,635 --> 00:18:14,456 called The Pleasure Chest. 427 00:18:14,458 --> 00:18:17,050 I bought this great ring belt, and I used to wear that. 428 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:19,416 We were hanging out on a houseboat 429 00:18:19,418 --> 00:18:23,834 that we had rented for a month to record in London. 430 00:18:24,282 --> 00:18:26,715 Sid and Nancy came over to the houseboat one night, 431 00:18:27,257 --> 00:18:31,739 and he liked my belt, and so I gave it to him. 432 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:36,024 SALLY HERSHBERGER: Nobody in the United States 433 00:18:36,026 --> 00:18:39,352 was wearing, like, safety pins on their leather jacket 434 00:18:39,354 --> 00:18:41,272 and all the chains... 435 00:18:41,274 --> 00:18:44,951 and, you know. She was a real punk rocker in California. 436 00:18:44,953 --> 00:18:47,353 Nobody was a punk rocker. I mean, she lived that. 437 00:18:47,355 --> 00:18:49,275 ♪ 'Cause we know What we feel... ♪ 438 00:18:50,298 --> 00:18:52,631 (PERKY INTRO MUSIC PLAYING) 439 00:18:52,633 --> 00:18:55,068 ANNOUNCER: The Runaways from USA. 440 00:18:55,451 --> 00:18:57,083 JOAN: Thank you, we're really happy to be here. 441 00:18:57,625 --> 00:19:00,827 (MUSIC CONTINUES) 442 00:19:02,747 --> 00:19:04,569 JOAN: When we got to Japan, you know, 443 00:19:04,571 --> 00:19:07,576 that's when I felt, "Wow, thousands of girls, 444 00:19:07,578 --> 00:19:09,625 like, treating you like the Beatles." 445 00:19:09,627 --> 00:19:11,544 I mean... I know it sounds funny. 446 00:19:11,546 --> 00:19:13,305 That's the only way you could describe it. 447 00:19:13,307 --> 00:19:15,740 (CROWD CLAMORING) 448 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:20,507 JOAN: They love their music stars over there, 449 00:19:20,795 --> 00:19:22,935 but it felt like we tapped into something else 450 00:19:22,937 --> 00:19:24,377 with female audiences. 451 00:19:24,379 --> 00:19:26,456 I thought it was exhilarating, 452 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:29,433 but just because I thought "That's powerful, man, 453 00:19:29,435 --> 00:19:31,096 it's all girls." 454 00:19:31,098 --> 00:19:32,505 The more I thought about it, I realized, 455 00:19:32,507 --> 00:19:34,359 "Wait, Japanese women 456 00:19:34,361 --> 00:19:36,376 are treated sort of like second-class citizens there. 457 00:19:36,378 --> 00:19:38,234 So these teenage girls were feeling 458 00:19:39,194 --> 00:19:42,039 the power of The Runaways saying, "No, we can do it." 459 00:19:42,041 --> 00:19:43,932 The studio audiences went nuts. 460 00:19:44,506 --> 00:19:47,258 - (AUDIENCE CHEERING) - Oh, God. Oh, boy. (LAUGHS) 461 00:19:47,546 --> 00:19:49,208 Okay, why don't you just tell me about... 462 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:50,747 Oh, they all know you very well, 463 00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:54,712 but why don't you tell me about how this band was made? 464 00:19:54,714 --> 00:19:56,538 It wasn't until Japan 465 00:19:56,953 --> 00:19:58,392 where we actually got a paycheck. 466 00:19:58,394 --> 00:19:59,931 We knew something was wrong 467 00:20:00,218 --> 00:20:02,233 when we weren't really getting paid. 468 00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:04,280 We'd have to ask for money for Tampax 469 00:20:04,282 --> 00:20:05,977 or a hamburger on the road, 470 00:20:05,979 --> 00:20:07,863 and there was always some excuse, 471 00:20:07,865 --> 00:20:09,623 but yet we were selling out everywhere, 472 00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:11,320 and there were the t-shirts, 473 00:20:11,322 --> 00:20:12,666 and there were all the kids and the fans. 474 00:20:13,595 --> 00:20:17,147 In the middle of the tour, we got this booklet. 475 00:20:17,434 --> 00:20:19,639 It was an all-color booklet. It said "The Runaways." 476 00:20:19,641 --> 00:20:21,979 And there was like a tiny picture of all of us, 477 00:20:22,202 --> 00:20:25,880 and then it was like foldout soft-core porn shots 478 00:20:25,882 --> 00:20:28,184 of Cherie all the way through. 479 00:20:28,186 --> 00:20:30,200 CHERIE: Kim made a very bad mistake. 480 00:20:30,202 --> 00:20:33,880 He set up a photo session with the Japanese for me. 481 00:20:33,882 --> 00:20:35,864 Next thing I knew, there was a complete tour book 482 00:20:35,866 --> 00:20:37,400 with, you know, me in my corset. 483 00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:40,058 We're, like, going, "What the fuck is this?" 484 00:20:40,346 --> 00:20:42,171 And we were all really annoyed 485 00:20:42,362 --> 00:20:44,184 by the fact that Cherie had done it 486 00:20:44,186 --> 00:20:45,529 and that she didn't say anything to us. 487 00:20:45,531 --> 00:20:47,258 CHERIE: And the girls really thought 488 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:50,392 that I had done that myself, but Kim did things like that 489 00:20:50,394 --> 00:20:53,591 that caused damage to the band 490 00:20:53,593 --> 00:20:55,993 that just could not be fixed after a while. 491 00:20:55,995 --> 00:20:58,329 You know, they ended up not trusting me at all, 492 00:20:58,331 --> 00:21:02,108 and that caused me to separate myself a lot from the girls. 493 00:21:02,555 --> 00:21:04,759 And Joan and I had been very, very, very close. 494 00:21:04,761 --> 00:21:09,883 Jackie had left from Japan kind of a broken child, 495 00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:11,739 and I was the second to go. 496 00:21:13,050 --> 00:21:16,507 JOAN: After she left the band and after our Japanese tour, 497 00:21:16,826 --> 00:21:18,937 I didn't follow what she was doing right away. 498 00:21:18,939 --> 00:21:21,144 Obviously, there were parts of me that was very hurt 499 00:21:21,146 --> 00:21:23,033 by that because we were close. 500 00:21:23,035 --> 00:21:25,883 You know, a band is like a family. 501 00:21:26,778 --> 00:21:28,696 No! No! 502 00:21:28,698 --> 00:21:31,192 If you wanna see "Cherry Bomb," find Cherie 503 00:21:31,194 --> 00:21:33,177 because we're fucking tired of that song. 504 00:21:33,179 --> 00:21:35,899 (CROWD SHOUTING AND CHEERING) 505 00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:38,808 EVELYN: Shortly thereafter that, they fired Kim Fowley. 506 00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:41,239 I think Kim's biggest mistake in life 507 00:21:41,241 --> 00:21:43,224 was not recognizing that Joan Jett 508 00:21:43,226 --> 00:21:45,051 was his great star and his great discovery. 509 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:47,864 TOBY MAMIS: Joan took over the front person's role, 510 00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:49,944 which she earned and which she deserved, 511 00:21:49,946 --> 00:21:53,112 but it changed the perception of the band by the industry 512 00:21:53,114 --> 00:21:55,417 because the industry was so focused on Cherie 513 00:21:55,419 --> 00:21:57,915 and the blonde-bombshell look, and that's haunted 514 00:21:58,105 --> 00:22:00,216 not just the music business but all entertainment formats, 515 00:22:00,218 --> 00:22:01,658 TV and film, for years. 516 00:22:01,883 --> 00:22:04,860 DON: What you do when your iconic lead singer 517 00:22:05,145 --> 00:22:08,378 just is gone, you know, and you gotta step up? 518 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:12,377 It's kind of incredible that she, you know, 519 00:22:12,379 --> 00:22:14,327 had the balls to even do it. 520 00:22:14,329 --> 00:22:17,272 RODNEY: So do you have a new record or anything coming out? 521 00:22:17,274 --> 00:22:19,384 JOAN: Nope. (LAUGHTER) 522 00:22:19,386 --> 00:22:21,560 No we're going to Europe, right, 523 00:22:21,562 --> 00:22:23,323 two days after the Whisky, 524 00:22:23,547 --> 00:22:27,035 and we're gonna record in either London or Berlin. 525 00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:30,776 ♪ Blue-skinned Sleeping boys ♪ 526 00:22:30,778 --> 00:22:33,975 ♪ Man, You're lookin' wasted ♪ 527 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,696 ♪ Greasy wheels, Streets of steel ♪ 528 00:22:36,698 --> 00:22:39,703 ♪ No tellin' what ya tasted ♪ 529 00:22:39,705 --> 00:22:42,457 JOAN: We did "Wasted" on the TV show 530 00:22:42,459 --> 00:22:44,599 Old Grey Whistle Test when we were in London. 531 00:22:44,601 --> 00:22:46,519 First time The Runaways were on TV 532 00:22:46,521 --> 00:22:49,303 with me as lead singer, which was really scary. 533 00:22:49,305 --> 00:22:51,831 ♪ Sad you are so shattered ♪ 534 00:22:51,833 --> 00:22:53,625 Everything was just kind of splintering. 535 00:22:53,627 --> 00:22:57,339 I felt the album was going in a very heavy direction musically, 536 00:22:57,529 --> 00:23:00,920 and I could feel a camaraderie between Sandy, 537 00:23:00,922 --> 00:23:03,607 Lita and this producer, John Alcock, 538 00:23:03,609 --> 00:23:05,275 and I was not part of it. 539 00:23:05,561 --> 00:23:08,151 He drove a wedge between Sandy and Lita on one side 540 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:10,779 and Joan on the other that destroyed the band. 541 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:12,504 You know, I'm not gonna get fired 542 00:23:12,506 --> 00:23:16,216 from a band I started, so we're not on the same page. 543 00:23:16,218 --> 00:23:19,451 So I should probably let you guys do your thing. 544 00:23:20,122 --> 00:23:22,904 You know, we'd always been close enough to laugh 545 00:23:22,906 --> 00:23:24,952 and all that stuff, and you could tell 546 00:23:24,954 --> 00:23:26,779 those sort of elements were leaving. 547 00:23:27,194 --> 00:23:29,307 You know, you felt like you had to walk on eggshells, 548 00:23:29,499 --> 00:23:31,192 and I didn't want to fight. 549 00:23:31,194 --> 00:23:34,427 You know, I loved these girls. It was our baby. 550 00:23:34,811 --> 00:23:37,274 ♪ It doesn't Really matter... ♪ 551 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:40,154 CHRIS: I remember at the end of The Runaways period, 552 00:23:40,923 --> 00:23:43,959 she, you know, gained weight and was really bummed out 553 00:23:43,961 --> 00:23:45,435 as it was closing. 554 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:49,497 If they had, you know, proper management, you know, 555 00:23:49,499 --> 00:23:52,635 they probably would have gone a lot further a lot longer. 556 00:24:00,282 --> 00:24:01,847 JOAN: How did I personally deal 557 00:24:01,849 --> 00:24:03,547 with the crumbling of The Runaways? 558 00:24:05,178 --> 00:24:07,960 I drank a lot starting at 8:00 in the morning. 559 00:24:07,962 --> 00:24:09,400 Not a good thing. 560 00:24:09,402 --> 00:24:10,683 Not a good way to deal with things. 561 00:24:10,875 --> 00:24:14,108 No, it got heavier than that. Definitely. 562 00:24:14,458 --> 00:24:16,987 Felt like LA was totally laughing at me going, 563 00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:19,448 "We told you it wouldn't work. 564 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:21,624 We told you you couldn't do it." 565 00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:24,920 DEBBIE: She moved to Sunset and San Vicente 566 00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:26,970 in that weird house across from the Whisky. 567 00:24:27,194 --> 00:24:29,176 It was decadent, honey. 568 00:24:29,178 --> 00:24:31,832 I would go by there, and it was like 569 00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:33,817 tons of people all over the living room, 570 00:24:33,819 --> 00:24:35,993 and I remember being with Chrissie Hynde, 571 00:24:35,995 --> 00:24:38,392 and Chrissie's like, "Honey," to Joan, 572 00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:39,770 "You gotta pull it together." 573 00:24:40,186 --> 00:24:44,538 TOBY: Her friend Lisa called and said, "Joan's very sick. 574 00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:46,519 "I have to take her to the emergency room. 575 00:24:46,521 --> 00:24:48,440 She's sweating. She's very sick. 576 00:24:48,442 --> 00:24:50,907 Something's wrong," and she had a heart infection. 577 00:24:51,354 --> 00:24:55,064 And she ended up in Cedars, and it was pretty scary. 578 00:24:55,066 --> 00:24:58,043 I'm lucky I'm still here. 579 00:24:58,458 --> 00:24:59,896 I know my mom was really worried about her. 580 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,338 It was a really hard time. 581 00:25:01,946 --> 00:25:03,483 She was really depressed 582 00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:05,719 because she had high hopes for The Runaways. 583 00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:07,513 TOBY: It is funny that it's a heart infection 584 00:25:07,515 --> 00:25:10,203 because she did have a broken heart for losing The Runaways. 585 00:25:10,394 --> 00:25:12,023 JOAN: I was angry. 586 00:25:12,025 --> 00:25:13,976 I didn't know how to make sense of a world 587 00:25:13,978 --> 00:25:17,079 that would give girls shit for playing guitars, you know? 588 00:25:17,081 --> 00:25:20,730 Like, "Don't you have important things to be upset about?" 589 00:25:21,594 --> 00:25:25,179 (MELANCHOLY GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING) 590 00:25:25,593 --> 00:25:28,283 I thought, you know, I'm gonna fucking kill myself. 591 00:25:28,666 --> 00:25:30,615 Accidentally, but I'm gonna do it. 592 00:25:30,617 --> 00:25:32,535 I gotta do something. What can I do? 593 00:25:32,537 --> 00:25:35,480 Maybe I'll join a branch of the military, 594 00:25:35,482 --> 00:25:37,785 straighten up, learn something. 595 00:25:37,787 --> 00:25:42,073 I considered that because I didn't know what else to do, 596 00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:45,047 but we still had some legal obligations. 597 00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:47,800 We had signed to do the music for a movie, 598 00:25:47,802 --> 00:25:49,720 and even though the band wasn't together anymore, 599 00:25:49,722 --> 00:25:52,312 I cannot get sued, I can't afford to get sued. 600 00:25:52,314 --> 00:25:54,264 I need to write these songs. 601 00:25:54,266 --> 00:25:56,504 KENNY LAGUNA: I went through a few offers to produce them, 602 00:25:56,506 --> 00:25:58,072 and I wasn't really interested. 603 00:25:58,074 --> 00:26:01,659 Although I was intrigued by five crazy girls 604 00:26:03,161 --> 00:26:07,159 who were attractive, took a lot of drugs, 605 00:26:07,161 --> 00:26:09,592 made good music, and the band broke up. 606 00:26:09,594 --> 00:26:11,352 And they were teenage girls so they didn't care 607 00:26:11,354 --> 00:26:13,752 about commitments or responsibility. 608 00:26:13,754 --> 00:26:15,448 I probably would have turned it down again. 609 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:16,603 I was in England. 610 00:26:16,795 --> 00:26:18,456 Joan Jett was the only one left 611 00:26:18,458 --> 00:26:20,152 who was gonna live up to the commitment. 612 00:26:20,154 --> 00:26:24,760 They had eight days to create six songs when Toby called me. 613 00:26:24,762 --> 00:26:28,184 TOBY: Before John Alcott, I had thought of Kenny Laguna 614 00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:30,136 as a guy who might produce this Runaways album. 615 00:26:30,138 --> 00:26:32,664 He blew me off. I went back to Kenny Laguna 616 00:26:32,666 --> 00:26:34,328 because I'm obviously a masochist. 617 00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:35,895 "I know you're a good songwriter, 618 00:26:35,897 --> 00:26:38,551 and I really think that you'd click with Joan." 619 00:26:38,553 --> 00:26:40,091 KENNY: My wife Meryl said to me, 620 00:26:40,346 --> 00:26:42,075 "I've been reading about Joan Jett. 621 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:43,575 I think she's significant." 622 00:26:43,577 --> 00:26:45,495 I was in the studio with him, 623 00:26:45,497 --> 00:26:48,951 and I used to read "Melody Maker" and the "NME," 624 00:26:48,953 --> 00:26:50,648 and there was a picture of The Runaways, 625 00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:53,242 and Joan just popped out of the picture. 626 00:26:53,657 --> 00:26:56,474 I said, "I think this girl's got it." 627 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:59,259 KENNY: And we went and stayed at the Riot House, 628 00:26:59,642 --> 00:27:01,179 the Hyatt House on Sunset, 629 00:27:01,402 --> 00:27:03,227 and Joan walked in the room with Toby, 630 00:27:03,642 --> 00:27:06,743 and I saw this girl with a black leather jacket, 631 00:27:06,745 --> 00:27:08,600 and she was a little beat up by then. 632 00:27:08,602 --> 00:27:10,200 She was drinking. 633 00:27:10,202 --> 00:27:11,800 She was hanging out with Sid Vicious 634 00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:14,872 and Stiv Bators, Sid's girlfriend Nancy, 635 00:27:14,874 --> 00:27:17,112 and a bunch of people who all ended up dead. 636 00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:18,840 She had a sad look in her eye. 637 00:27:18,842 --> 00:27:21,143 MERYL LAGUNA: She was this lost waif, 638 00:27:21,145 --> 00:27:24,792 and your heart just went out for her 639 00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:29,947 'cause you could see she was so upset and destroyed by it. 640 00:27:30,425 --> 00:27:33,115 You know, I was pretty much a mess. 641 00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:34,523 Hi, guys. 642 00:27:35,066 --> 00:27:37,432 But he saw something. 643 00:27:37,434 --> 00:27:39,193 I don't know what it was, you know? 644 00:27:39,385 --> 00:27:41,786 He bought me a pair of pants first, though. 645 00:27:42,906 --> 00:27:44,600 Because he couldn't write songs 646 00:27:44,602 --> 00:27:47,544 with a person with ripped jeans or something. 647 00:27:47,546 --> 00:27:49,815 KENNY: We head into the studio, and I said, 648 00:27:49,817 --> 00:27:52,089 "We'll cut the tracks with the session guys, 649 00:27:52,091 --> 00:27:53,592 and then we'll put your guitar on. 650 00:27:53,594 --> 00:27:55,127 It's no big deal." 651 00:27:55,129 --> 00:27:56,890 She goes, "Then it won't be a record," 652 00:27:57,177 --> 00:27:59,096 and she wasn't kidding, but I dug it. 653 00:27:59,098 --> 00:28:00,824 JOAN: (SINGING) One, two, three, four! 654 00:28:00,826 --> 00:28:02,296 JOAN: (INTERVIEW) So we fulfilled the contract. 655 00:28:02,298 --> 00:28:05,113 It wound up being on some weirdo porn movie, 656 00:28:05,753 --> 00:28:07,608 which was not what we signed up for. 657 00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:11,832 MAN: Joanie Jett, she's got the greatest voice I've ever seen! 658 00:28:11,834 --> 00:28:14,455 Now, I went out to California to meet Joan 659 00:28:14,457 --> 00:28:16,793 with a fella named Ritchie Cordell. 660 00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:18,424 I said, "You know, Ritchie, 661 00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:20,024 I think we can we have hits with her. 662 00:28:20,026 --> 00:28:22,104 I think we should make her a partner." 663 00:28:22,106 --> 00:28:23,512 "What, do you wanna fuck her?" 664 00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:24,858 KENNY: "We're gonna steal her money." 665 00:28:25,114 --> 00:28:27,067 (LAUGHS) I'll never forget it. 666 00:28:27,257 --> 00:28:30,103 ♪ I want you like I never wanted anythin' else... ♪ 667 00:28:30,105 --> 00:28:33,431 KENNY: But I knew that this girl should be a partner. 668 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:34,904 She was that unique. 669 00:28:34,906 --> 00:28:36,601 JOAN: Things were definitely looking up. 670 00:28:36,603 --> 00:28:38,392 I felt good, I felt, "Okay, 671 00:28:38,394 --> 00:28:40,824 I've got someone to talk to, to write music with. 672 00:28:40,826 --> 00:28:42,299 Let's see where this goes." 673 00:28:42,553 --> 00:28:44,184 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 674 00:28:44,186 --> 00:28:45,495 KENNY: And then I took her to England. 675 00:28:45,497 --> 00:28:47,992 I had a flat on the Kings Road, 676 00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:50,299 and every day, we'd go to Ramport, 677 00:28:50,873 --> 00:28:53,658 The Who's studio, and record the Joan Jett record. 678 00:28:53,978 --> 00:28:55,546 BILL CURBISHLEY: I was introduced to Kenny 679 00:28:55,738 --> 00:28:57,465 by a guy called Peter Meaden, 680 00:28:57,723 --> 00:28:59,703 a real character, and in so doing, 681 00:28:59,705 --> 00:29:02,331 he also came to me with an artist called Steve Gibbons, 682 00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:07,063 and Kenny produced the album for Steve Gibbons, 683 00:29:07,065 --> 00:29:07,995 a fantastic album. 684 00:29:08,314 --> 00:29:09,851 ♪ Go ahead on, Tulane ♪ 685 00:29:10,073 --> 00:29:11,831 ♪ He can't catch up With you ♪ 686 00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:14,295 ♪ Go, Tulane, he ain't Man enough for you ♪ 687 00:29:14,297 --> 00:29:17,240 ♪ Go, Tulane, Use all the speed... ♪ 688 00:29:17,242 --> 00:29:20,184 But the thing he's got extra is he's got great ears. 689 00:29:20,186 --> 00:29:22,711 He can produce. He knows what he wants. 690 00:29:22,713 --> 00:29:24,249 (PLAYS PIANO CHORD) 691 00:29:24,251 --> 00:29:25,562 KENNY: I was born in the Village, 692 00:29:25,785 --> 00:29:30,360 and my parents were... predated hippies and beatniks. 693 00:29:30,362 --> 00:29:31,546 They were Bohemian. 694 00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:36,314 They started me on piano lessons five years old. 695 00:29:36,506 --> 00:29:38,904 I learned Mozart and Bach, 696 00:29:38,906 --> 00:29:42,042 and then I saw "Jailhouse Rock," 697 00:29:42,521 --> 00:29:45,432 and he was doing art, and he still had a Cadillac, 698 00:29:45,434 --> 00:29:46,873 and that was all I needed to know. 699 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:48,855 When I was about 16, 700 00:29:48,857 --> 00:29:52,823 I moseyed into New York City and started hustling. 701 00:29:52,825 --> 00:29:56,056 They gave me a songwriting job at Kama Sutra Records, 702 00:29:56,058 --> 00:29:58,874 and their specialty was bubblegum music. 703 00:29:59,162 --> 00:30:00,346 ♪ Sugar ♪ 704 00:30:01,401 --> 00:30:03,067 ♪ Oh, honey, honey ♪ 705 00:30:03,258 --> 00:30:04,983 KENNY: ...which was coined by Neil Bogart, 706 00:30:04,985 --> 00:30:06,168 the great record exec. 707 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:08,408 ♪ You are my candy girl... ♪ 708 00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:10,775 DON: Kenny Laguna did some great stuff pre-Joan. 709 00:30:10,777 --> 00:30:12,407 I don't know where we would've been without that guy. 710 00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:14,200 He was a bubblegum hero. 711 00:30:14,202 --> 00:30:15,864 ADAM HOROVITZ: Our generation, when we were kids, 712 00:30:15,866 --> 00:30:17,434 that's what the music was. 713 00:30:17,626 --> 00:30:19,479 No guilty pleasure. 714 00:30:19,481 --> 00:30:22,936 It's just like, "Look, we're making this music to make money. 715 00:30:22,938 --> 00:30:24,440 KATHLEEN HANNA: "We're gonna sell it to kids. 716 00:30:24,442 --> 00:30:26,359 "We're gonna turn it into, like, you know, 717 00:30:26,361 --> 00:30:29,977 records that are on literally the back of the cereal box." 718 00:30:30,202 --> 00:30:32,023 All the songs were, like, about, like, 719 00:30:32,025 --> 00:30:35,736 naughty sexual things that they sort of acted 720 00:30:35,738 --> 00:30:38,458 like they were about candy and bubblegum. 721 00:30:39,802 --> 00:30:42,584 ♪ Yummy, yummy, yummy I got love in my tummy ♪ 722 00:30:42,586 --> 00:30:45,082 ♪ And I feel like a-lovin' you ♪ 723 00:30:46,362 --> 00:30:47,994 ♪ Love, you're such a sweet thing... ♪ 724 00:30:48,217 --> 00:30:51,032 One of our little sayings was "Don't bore us. 725 00:30:51,034 --> 00:30:52,507 Get right to the chorus." 726 00:30:53,978 --> 00:30:55,448 But something weird happened. 727 00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:56,952 When the punks got on the scene, 728 00:30:56,954 --> 00:30:59,000 they didn't like Crosby, Stills, and Nash. 729 00:30:59,002 --> 00:31:00,471 They hated Neil Young. 730 00:31:00,473 --> 00:31:02,746 They thought those bands were pretentious. 731 00:31:03,162 --> 00:31:05,143 IAN MACKAYE: I am a hook guy. Kenny and I share that. 732 00:31:05,145 --> 00:31:06,266 I like a hook. 733 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:08,279 Problem with bubblegum is that sometimes, 734 00:31:08,281 --> 00:31:10,360 it's was so saccharine, for me, it was almost unlistenable. 735 00:31:10,362 --> 00:31:12,824 DON: There was a lot of shared DNA between bubblegum and punk. 736 00:31:12,826 --> 00:31:16,280 Bubblegum was short, to-the-point little songs 737 00:31:16,282 --> 00:31:18,487 with hooks and an ass-kicking beat. 738 00:31:18,489 --> 00:31:19,801 KENNY: And that was punk. 739 00:31:20,697 --> 00:31:21,946 ♪ They're going Through a tight wind ♪ 740 00:31:23,417 --> 00:31:24,920 ♪ The kids are losing Their minds ♪ 741 00:31:24,922 --> 00:31:26,455 ♪ The blitzkrieg bop ♪ 742 00:31:26,457 --> 00:31:28,503 KENNY: I was making 100 grand when I was 17. 743 00:31:28,505 --> 00:31:29,719 I remember my father said, 744 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,287 "You should try to save some money." 745 00:31:31,289 --> 00:31:32,663 I said, "I can have a hit anytime I want." 746 00:31:32,665 --> 00:31:34,970 By the time I was 19, bubblegum died, 747 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:37,338 but we wanted to be cooler than bubblegum. 748 00:31:37,753 --> 00:31:41,111 (DISJOINTED INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) 749 00:31:41,113 --> 00:31:44,505 KENNY: I did a soundtrack album for Andy Warhol, 750 00:31:44,985 --> 00:31:48,824 Lonesome Cowboys, and I used orchestration. 751 00:31:48,826 --> 00:31:51,416 I was putting horns on and then strings 752 00:31:51,418 --> 00:31:53,050 without much of a plot line. 753 00:31:53,594 --> 00:31:56,504 Just very effeminate guys dressed as cowboys 754 00:31:56,506 --> 00:31:58,103 hanging out together, 755 00:31:58,105 --> 00:32:00,728 and I remember giving a spiel to Andy Warhol 756 00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:02,811 and Paul Morrissey about the art, 757 00:32:03,194 --> 00:32:06,551 and Morrissey said, "Don't talk to us about art. 758 00:32:06,553 --> 00:32:08,855 We hired you because we want money." 759 00:32:08,857 --> 00:32:10,330 It was very shocking to me 760 00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:13,305 because I grew up with artists 761 00:32:13,497 --> 00:32:15,671 who thought it was gauche to want money. 762 00:32:15,673 --> 00:32:17,208 PETE TOWNSHEND: I really liked Kenny 763 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:18,520 from the first moment I met him. 764 00:32:18,522 --> 00:32:22,074 I don't know why. I always have. 765 00:32:22,361 --> 00:32:25,334 (STRUMMING CHORDS) 766 00:32:25,336 --> 00:32:30,200 I remember saying to Kenny, maybe getting a bit bored, 767 00:32:30,202 --> 00:32:31,799 I don't know, but just saying, you know, 768 00:32:31,801 --> 00:32:32,986 "Go talk to Bill." 769 00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:36,854 - Stop all this shit. - Oh, Bill! Oh, my God. 770 00:32:36,856 --> 00:32:38,777 - How you doing? - What's all this shit? 771 00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:42,266 KENNY: What affected me was their self-belief, 772 00:32:42,521 --> 00:32:44,986 but under the self-belief, there's a fear, 773 00:32:45,273 --> 00:32:46,552 "Oh, is it ever gonna happen?" 774 00:32:46,554 --> 00:32:48,442 Or, "Are we ever gonna get a break?" 775 00:32:48,825 --> 00:32:51,034 And for me, life's about that. 776 00:32:51,225 --> 00:32:53,175 JOAN: And Bill said to Kenny, "You know what? 777 00:32:53,177 --> 00:32:55,610 "Why don't you just go into our studio, Ramport, 778 00:32:55,801 --> 00:32:57,946 do what you gotta do and pay us when you can?" 779 00:32:58,777 --> 00:32:59,770 Now I'm in business. 780 00:33:00,378 --> 00:33:05,207 And that was the start of their relationship and ours. 781 00:33:05,209 --> 00:33:07,127 I'll tell you all about this girl. 782 00:33:07,129 --> 00:33:10,202 I'll tell you the truth about this girl. Mwah! 783 00:33:10,425 --> 00:33:12,504 It felt you were kind of blessed by, you know, 784 00:33:12,506 --> 00:33:14,391 the rock-n'-roll gods, and then we were like, 785 00:33:14,393 --> 00:33:16,280 "Well, we want to tour this music. 786 00:33:16,282 --> 00:33:17,624 This is great." 787 00:33:17,626 --> 00:33:20,152 So we needed to form a band. 788 00:33:20,154 --> 00:33:23,543 And went back to LA, put an ad in The LA Weekly 789 00:33:23,545 --> 00:33:24,855 or something and said, 790 00:33:24,857 --> 00:33:27,672 "Joan Jett looking for three good men." 791 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:31,129 ♪ ("LOVE IS PAIN" BY JOAN JETT AND THE BLACKHEARTS PLAYS) ♪ 792 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,224 I remember very clearly going to the audition. 793 00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:40,952 I knew all The Runaways songs 794 00:33:40,954 --> 00:33:43,576 because as a 13-year-old kid, 14-year-old kid, 795 00:33:43,578 --> 00:33:45,691 I'd been at home playing along with the records. 796 00:33:45,913 --> 00:33:48,601 ♪ Hey, you must obey ♪ 797 00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:51,863 ♪ Or you will bleed, you know I need to get my way... ♪ 798 00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:54,551 And Joan knew me from the punk scene. 799 00:33:54,553 --> 00:33:56,632 JOAN: I kind of knew in my gut 800 00:33:56,634 --> 00:33:59,930 that there's no way I could play with girls again, 801 00:34:00,186 --> 00:34:01,943 certainly not right away 802 00:34:01,945 --> 00:34:03,352 because it would only be compared to The Runaways, 803 00:34:03,354 --> 00:34:05,147 and that was not good on any level. 804 00:34:05,529 --> 00:34:07,163 ERIC AMBEL: We got the Whisky A Go Go, 805 00:34:07,898 --> 00:34:09,879 and we picked the worst night of the week, 806 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,259 which was Tuesday, 807 00:34:11,705 --> 00:34:13,912 and we played there every week for a month, 808 00:34:13,914 --> 00:34:16,663 and by the time we were done with that, 809 00:34:16,665 --> 00:34:18,711 we were on the map there in LA. 810 00:34:18,713 --> 00:34:21,562 All of a sudden, there's... there's a lot of chicks here. 811 00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:24,504 I'm kind of getting into it, and by the last gig, 812 00:34:24,506 --> 00:34:26,743 I was like, "Well, wait a minute, they're... 813 00:34:26,745 --> 00:34:28,214 they're looking at her." 814 00:34:28,216 --> 00:34:29,879 KATHLEEN: You've got this weird punk rocker 815 00:34:29,881 --> 00:34:33,498 who has an extraterrestrial good voice, 816 00:34:33,977 --> 00:34:37,435 and then you have someone who's worked in the business 817 00:34:37,625 --> 00:34:38,778 of making bubblegum music. 818 00:34:39,353 --> 00:34:42,743 ♪ I was caught So unaware ♪ 819 00:34:42,745 --> 00:34:45,241 ♪ When you made other plans ♪ 820 00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:48,022 KENNY: She brought menace, 821 00:34:48,024 --> 00:34:49,946 and I brought a lot of pop sensibility. 822 00:34:50,137 --> 00:34:52,282 ♪ More than you Could stand ♪ 823 00:34:53,177 --> 00:34:55,610 ♪ You don't know What you've got ♪ 824 00:34:56,506 --> 00:34:58,971 ♪ You don't know What you've got ♪ 825 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,810 ♪ You don't know what You've got till it's gone ♪ 826 00:35:03,193 --> 00:35:05,111 You mix that together, 827 00:35:05,113 --> 00:35:07,544 and you've got, like, a Molotov cocktail 828 00:35:07,546 --> 00:35:11,130 that's gonna, like, totally do some... damage. 829 00:35:11,898 --> 00:35:13,687 JOAN: First one we wrote was 830 00:35:13,689 --> 00:35:15,736 "You Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone." 831 00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:19,031 To me, you know, Kenny was taking my life. 832 00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,081 You know, I guess being a therapist. 833 00:35:21,528 --> 00:35:22,999 KENNY: And the more we knew each other, 834 00:35:23,001 --> 00:35:24,410 the more she trusted me. 835 00:35:24,602 --> 00:35:26,679 ♪ You don't know What you've got ♪ 836 00:35:26,681 --> 00:35:30,939 ♪ You don't know what You've got till it's gone ♪ 837 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:34,936 Joan sort of needs to experience heartache 838 00:35:34,938 --> 00:35:36,374 to write about it. 839 00:35:36,376 --> 00:35:38,905 ♪ I gave you love So true ♪ 840 00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:40,699 ♪ But you ran away ♪ 841 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,418 ♪ So you just don't know Whatcha blew ♪ 842 00:35:44,537 --> 00:35:45,913 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 843 00:35:46,106 --> 00:35:48,409 JOAN: Kenny actually was looking for record deals. 844 00:35:48,664 --> 00:35:50,394 So Kenny would send the tapes in. 845 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,422 We sent it to all the labels, all the majors, all the minors. 846 00:35:54,424 --> 00:35:56,024 That was 23 labels, 847 00:35:56,026 --> 00:35:58,522 and we got back 23 rejection letters 848 00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:03,319 all saying, "You need a song search. 849 00:36:03,321 --> 00:36:06,935 No songs here. Maybe if she loses the guitar." 850 00:36:06,937 --> 00:36:12,409 These people heard five songs, four of which were top-20 hits. 851 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,598 That can't be a song search. That's you don't have ears. 852 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,234 KENNY: We asked for no money. 853 00:36:18,424 --> 00:36:20,056 JOAN: Just put out the record. 854 00:36:20,058 --> 00:36:22,201 I know it had something to do with my image, 855 00:36:22,393 --> 00:36:23,898 The Runaways, the girl. 856 00:36:24,153 --> 00:36:26,647 I think Kenny thought it was going to be a lot easier 857 00:36:26,649 --> 00:36:28,729 than it ultimately turned out to be. 858 00:36:30,074 --> 00:36:34,619 KENNY: My mom was an outrageous feminist. 859 00:36:34,906 --> 00:36:36,505 She used to drive the car, 860 00:36:36,698 --> 00:36:40,154 and my father sat where everybody else's mother sat. 861 00:36:40,345 --> 00:36:43,130 So when I met Joan and heard about The Runaways, 862 00:36:43,385 --> 00:36:46,106 I never really thought it was, like, weird 863 00:36:46,521 --> 00:36:48,859 or groundbreaking until I tried to promote her, 864 00:36:49,145 --> 00:36:54,074 and I ran into these... walls, these brick walls. 865 00:36:54,489 --> 00:36:56,505 An interviewer who once said to her, 866 00:36:57,017 --> 00:36:58,615 "When you're playing on stage, 867 00:36:58,617 --> 00:37:00,566 do you feel like a man or a woman?" 868 00:37:00,568 --> 00:37:02,106 And I was like, what? 869 00:37:02,393 --> 00:37:04,694 INTERVIEWER: Could you ever see yourself getting married? 870 00:37:04,696 --> 00:37:06,678 No, you know, I don't like to knock 871 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,472 the American dream or anything... 872 00:37:08,474 --> 00:37:09,883 Do you ever want to have children? 873 00:37:10,456 --> 00:37:12,954 No. (LAUGHS) 874 00:37:13,241 --> 00:37:16,215 If you really want to be a musician, now, 875 00:37:16,217 --> 00:37:18,232 that's where you gotta really do some soul-searching 876 00:37:18,234 --> 00:37:20,471 and decide, do I want to be a musician, 877 00:37:20,473 --> 00:37:22,038 or do I want to be a flash in the pan 878 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,247 and ride in limos for a week? 879 00:37:24,249 --> 00:37:26,329 You gotta decide what you want to do with your life. 880 00:37:26,521 --> 00:37:29,338 ♪ Are you in the mood For a lot of singing? ♪ 881 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,534 (CROWD CHEERS) 882 00:37:32,536 --> 00:37:36,216 ♪ Are you in the mood For a lot of singing? ♪ 883 00:37:36,218 --> 00:37:37,627 (CROWD CHEERS) 884 00:37:38,138 --> 00:37:39,927 ERIC: Kenny Laguna came over, 885 00:37:39,929 --> 00:37:42,167 and he literally pulled out the map. 886 00:37:42,169 --> 00:37:46,390 He's like, "Look, here's Boston, New York, Washington, DC. 887 00:37:46,392 --> 00:37:47,959 Look at all these towns." 888 00:37:47,961 --> 00:37:50,327 JOAN: In LA, there's a limited amount of cities 889 00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:52,216 you can hit when you're a poor band 890 00:37:52,218 --> 00:37:54,519 and you're struggling, making every penny count. 891 00:37:54,521 --> 00:37:56,215 ERIC: He just convinced us on the spot 892 00:37:56,217 --> 00:37:57,561 that we would move to New York. 893 00:37:58,073 --> 00:38:00,313 (DRUMBEAT PLAYING) 894 00:38:01,273 --> 00:38:02,358 ♪ Yeah... ♪ 895 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,670 KENNY: It was a circuit. 896 00:38:03,672 --> 00:38:05,175 There was The Rat in Boston, 897 00:38:05,177 --> 00:38:07,447 The Malibu and My Father's Place, 898 00:38:07,449 --> 00:38:09,720 Privates and The Ritz in New York, 899 00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:11,418 The Left Bank in Westchester, 900 00:38:11,673 --> 00:38:13,719 these places that were incubators 901 00:38:13,721 --> 00:38:16,376 for rock bands, and they'd give you $500. 902 00:38:16,378 --> 00:38:17,783 Didn't cover much. 903 00:38:17,785 --> 00:38:19,542 JOAN: But you had a lot more opportunity 904 00:38:19,544 --> 00:38:21,145 to play and survive. 905 00:38:22,393 --> 00:38:24,154 ♪ Yeah, oh, yeah... ♪ 906 00:38:24,377 --> 00:38:26,809 KENNY: We got a minor deal in Europe. 907 00:38:27,224 --> 00:38:29,239 That was the beginning, 908 00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:31,898 but we couldn't get anything going in America. 909 00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:34,903 And all of a sudden, we find out 910 00:38:34,905 --> 00:38:36,952 that we are the number-one import. 911 00:38:36,954 --> 00:38:38,903 The record's on the radio, 912 00:38:38,905 --> 00:38:40,791 and nobody wants to be our label. 913 00:38:40,793 --> 00:38:43,927 I'm seeing something going on that I can't put my finger on, 914 00:38:43,929 --> 00:38:45,494 but I know we're tapping into something. 915 00:38:45,496 --> 00:38:48,790 So it gave me the courage to empty our bank account. 916 00:38:48,792 --> 00:38:51,000 My daughter was just born. She's only a couple months old. 917 00:38:51,002 --> 00:38:52,727 And we started a college fund, 918 00:38:52,729 --> 00:38:54,074 so there was like $3,000 or $4,000 in there. 919 00:38:54,873 --> 00:38:57,783 I mean, it was like I jumped off the diving board, 920 00:38:57,785 --> 00:38:59,672 and I was hoping somebody was gonna put water in the pool. 921 00:38:59,674 --> 00:39:01,239 JOAN: But we discussed about, you know, 922 00:39:01,241 --> 00:39:02,743 "Let's print up these records. 923 00:39:02,745 --> 00:39:04,758 We'll make our own records... nobody's gonna sign us. 924 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,682 We'll take music we believe in so much 925 00:39:07,066 --> 00:39:08,315 and just do it." 926 00:39:08,536 --> 00:39:12,311 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 927 00:39:12,313 --> 00:39:14,935 JOAN: Our first office was, more or less, 928 00:39:14,937 --> 00:39:17,624 Kenny's big, huge Cadillac. 929 00:39:17,626 --> 00:39:21,307 KENNY: And so we had this big old 1976 Sedan de Ville 930 00:39:21,497 --> 00:39:23,290 We used to always have records in the trunk. 931 00:39:23,545 --> 00:39:26,167 ♪ Temperature Is running high ♪ 932 00:39:26,169 --> 00:39:28,215 JOAN: You know, we'd hang out, and there'd be a little crowd 933 00:39:28,217 --> 00:39:30,455 of 30 or 40 people, and we'd sign autographs 934 00:39:30,457 --> 00:39:31,990 and then if anybody wanted the record, 935 00:39:31,992 --> 00:39:33,463 we had the trunk full of albums. 936 00:39:33,465 --> 00:39:35,191 KENNY: And it wasn't done. 937 00:39:35,193 --> 00:39:37,239 In those days, you did not sell records at gigs. 938 00:39:37,241 --> 00:39:39,127 JOAN: It wasn't part of the landscape yet. 939 00:39:39,129 --> 00:39:41,690 ♪ Yeah, yeah, Do you wanna touch? ♪ 940 00:39:41,882 --> 00:39:43,670 ♪ Yeah! Do you wanna touch? ♪ 941 00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:46,998 ♪ Yeah! Do you wanna Touch me there, where ♪ 942 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,409 ♪ Do you wanna... ♪ 943 00:39:48,664 --> 00:39:50,169 And that was the beginning of Blackheart Records. 944 00:39:50,393 --> 00:39:51,798 We're not getting any traction? 945 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,401 Like, fuck it, we'll put out our own records. 946 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,929 I don't know if that came out of a punk aesthetic. 947 00:39:56,184 --> 00:39:58,070 Maybe it did, or maybe it was just 948 00:39:58,072 --> 00:39:59,930 that they were just punks before they knew it. 949 00:40:00,185 --> 00:40:02,906 BILLIE JOE: Oh, you mean I don't need to have someone 950 00:40:03,161 --> 00:40:04,698 trying to discover me? 951 00:40:04,921 --> 00:40:06,841 I can actually just do this myself? 952 00:40:07,034 --> 00:40:09,626 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 953 00:40:09,913 --> 00:40:11,961 KENNY: In the beginning, the first gig we did 954 00:40:12,698 --> 00:40:14,713 was at The Malibu in Long Island. 955 00:40:15,352 --> 00:40:16,761 Fifty-four people came. 956 00:40:17,305 --> 00:40:20,503 Twenty-five of them were my guest list for my neighbors. 957 00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:22,326 ERIC: The next time we played there, 958 00:40:22,328 --> 00:40:24,953 they had to shut down the Southern State Parkway. 959 00:40:25,178 --> 00:40:28,183 ♪ My, my, my, Whiskey and rye ♪ 960 00:40:28,185 --> 00:40:31,097 ♪ Don't it make you feel So fine? ♪ 961 00:40:31,833 --> 00:40:35,287 ♪ Right or wrong, Don't it turn you on? ♪ 962 00:40:35,289 --> 00:40:38,742 ♪ Can't you see We're wastin' time, yeah? ♪ 963 00:40:38,744 --> 00:40:40,247 ♪ Do you wanna touch? ♪ 964 00:40:40,249 --> 00:40:41,658 ♪ Yeah! Do you wanna touch? ♪ 965 00:40:42,072 --> 00:40:45,849 ♪ Yeah! Do you wanna Touch me there, where ♪ 966 00:40:46,104 --> 00:40:48,056 ♪ Do you wanna touch? Yeah! ♪ 967 00:40:48,058 --> 00:40:51,318 BILLIE JOE: The way that Joan and Kenny have done things, 968 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,262 it inspired people to make their own labels 969 00:40:54,264 --> 00:40:56,951 because people figured out that they don't need 970 00:40:56,953 --> 00:40:59,063 a bunch of guys in suits and cigars 971 00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:00,792 and cash to start a label. 972 00:41:00,794 --> 00:41:02,712 ♪ No, no, no! ♪ 973 00:41:02,714 --> 00:41:04,375 CROWD: ♪ Yeah ♪ 974 00:41:04,377 --> 00:41:05,655 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 975 00:41:05,657 --> 00:41:07,672 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 976 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:09,559 ♪ Do ya, do ya? ♪ 977 00:41:09,561 --> 00:41:13,176 MERYL: And I think it was in a bar in upstate New York, 978 00:41:13,178 --> 00:41:15,194 and a big tour manager... 979 00:41:15,768 --> 00:41:17,624 I'll never forget him saying this 980 00:41:17,626 --> 00:41:20,347 because at this club, the line was around the block, 981 00:41:20,537 --> 00:41:22,902 and when we got in, he said to me, 982 00:41:22,904 --> 00:41:24,633 "Remember these days. 983 00:41:24,825 --> 00:41:27,194 This is the best time you're ever gonna have, 984 00:41:27,578 --> 00:41:30,170 and never take it for granted," and I never have. 985 00:41:30,616 --> 00:41:32,632 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Fuck you ♪ 986 00:41:32,634 --> 00:41:34,518 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Fuck me ♪ 987 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,751 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Fuck everybody ♪ 988 00:41:37,753 --> 00:41:39,192 ♪ Yeah ♪ 989 00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:41,016 INTERVIEWER: Is that something that gnaws at you, 990 00:41:41,018 --> 00:41:42,614 the fact that they'll take you seriously fronting a male band, 991 00:41:42,616 --> 00:41:43,862 but they wouldn't take you seriously 992 00:41:43,864 --> 00:41:45,495 being an all-girl band? 993 00:41:45,497 --> 00:41:48,662 JOAN: I think audiences are forced to listen more, 994 00:41:48,664 --> 00:41:51,128 and they're more accepting than maybe the business. 995 00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:52,631 Like, I think the record companies 996 00:41:52,633 --> 00:41:54,390 haven't come far at all. 997 00:41:54,392 --> 00:41:56,983 Until women get into the position of A&R men. 998 00:41:56,985 --> 00:41:59,351 MIKE NESS: Oh, I'm sure she had to go through a lot of, 999 00:41:59,353 --> 00:42:02,262 you know, "I can play guitars 1000 00:42:02,264 --> 00:42:04,730 just as good as you can, motherfucker," you know? 1001 00:42:05,114 --> 00:42:07,511 "Just 'cause I'm a girl, don't think I can't play." 1002 00:42:07,513 --> 00:42:10,071 THOM PANUNZIO: I know very few men that can play like her. 1003 00:42:10,073 --> 00:42:12,918 You know, she's ferocious when she plays that guitar. 1004 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,639 Out of nowhere, an old friend of mine, 1005 00:42:15,641 --> 00:42:19,386 the head of Buddha, Neil Bogart, decided to help us. 1006 00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:22,106 JOAN: Neil ran Casablanca Records, 1007 00:42:22,361 --> 00:42:23,990 which had KISS, 1008 00:42:23,992 --> 00:42:26,105 but they were a disco label, basically. 1009 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,879 ♪ I love to love you, Baby ♪ 1010 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:33,721 I mean, this guy knew senators and presidents and made movies. 1011 00:42:33,944 --> 00:42:36,663 JOAN: He was really into what we were doing, 1012 00:42:36,665 --> 00:42:38,230 and that was so different. 1013 00:42:38,232 --> 00:42:39,671 I liked it 'cause it felt like 1014 00:42:39,673 --> 00:42:42,105 he was shoving it up people's ass. 1015 00:42:42,553 --> 00:42:45,014 KENNY: He helped me put out the Joan Jett record, 1016 00:42:45,016 --> 00:42:47,926 which he renamed Bad Reputation. 1017 00:42:47,928 --> 00:42:51,318 He never checked with us. It completely pissed us off. 1018 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,078 He said, "You're a cult marketer. 1019 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,953 I'm a mass marketer. I have two Rolls-Royces. 1020 00:42:57,496 --> 00:42:59,926 That makes me a lot smarter than you, Kenny." 1021 00:42:59,928 --> 00:43:02,390 We were selling so many more records than we knew about 1022 00:43:02,392 --> 00:43:03,766 because the factory was printing them up 1023 00:43:03,768 --> 00:43:05,366 and selling them out the back door. 1024 00:43:05,368 --> 00:43:06,967 You gotta be very careful how you handle it 1025 00:43:06,969 --> 00:43:08,857 because the guys doing that are... 1026 00:43:10,584 --> 00:43:12,153 thugs. (CHUCKLES) 1027 00:43:12,377 --> 00:43:15,318 So you don't sue them. Neil knew how to handle that. 1028 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,855 We went, and we took our own money, 1029 00:43:16,857 --> 00:43:18,647 and we made "I Love Rock 'n' Roll." 1030 00:43:18,649 --> 00:43:22,266 And people just didn't do that. Today, it's common. 1031 00:43:22,617 --> 00:43:24,919 I had seen this song that was a B-side 1032 00:43:24,921 --> 00:43:27,127 of another song, I saw it on TV. 1033 00:43:27,129 --> 00:43:28,470 It was called "I Love Rock 'n' Roll." 1034 00:43:28,472 --> 00:43:30,009 I'm like, that's a hit. 1035 00:43:30,232 --> 00:43:31,671 The Runaways didn't want to do it, 1036 00:43:31,673 --> 00:43:34,296 and so I did a version with the Sex Pistols 1037 00:43:34,298 --> 00:43:35,993 and Steve Jones and Paul Cook. 1038 00:43:36,793 --> 00:43:40,186 ♪ ("I LOVE ROCK 'N' ROLL" PLAYS) ♪ 1039 00:43:41,145 --> 00:43:42,871 KENNY: I thought their version 1040 00:43:42,873 --> 00:43:45,910 was a little unsophisticated, a little sophomoric. 1041 00:43:45,912 --> 00:43:47,513 I thought we could make a better record. 1042 00:43:47,737 --> 00:43:50,263 JOAN: So once I was with Kenny 1043 00:43:50,265 --> 00:43:51,798 and we formed The Blackhearts, 1044 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,945 it was something that I wanted to try, 1045 00:43:54,137 --> 00:43:56,505 and the rest is history. 1046 00:44:00,984 --> 00:44:04,153 ("I LOVE ROCK 'N' ROLL" PLAYS) 1047 00:44:15,705 --> 00:44:19,194 ♪ I saw him dancin' there By the record machine ♪ 1048 00:44:20,248 --> 00:44:23,833 ♪♪ I knew he musta been About 17 ♪♪ 1049 00:44:25,272 --> 00:44:27,257 ♪ The beat Was goin' strong ♪ 1050 00:44:27,672 --> 00:44:30,999 ♪ Playin' my favorite song ♪ 1051 00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:33,079 ♪ An' I could tell It wouldn't be long ♪ 1052 00:44:33,081 --> 00:44:35,895 ♪ Till he was with me, Yeah, me ♪ 1053 00:44:35,897 --> 00:44:37,879 ♪ An' I could tell It wouldn't be long ♪ 1054 00:44:37,881 --> 00:44:40,758 ♪ Till he was with me, Yeah, me ♪ 1055 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,479 ♪ Singin' I love rock 'n' roll ♪ 1056 00:44:43,481 --> 00:44:45,562 ♪ So put another dime In the jukebox, baby ♪ 1057 00:44:45,945 --> 00:44:48,153 ♪ I love rock 'n' roll ♪ 1058 00:44:48,345 --> 00:44:51,994 ♪ So come and take your time And dance with me ♪ 1059 00:44:52,185 --> 00:44:53,112 Ow! 1060 00:44:54,328 --> 00:44:57,465 GARY: MTV started around the same time we were starting. 1061 00:44:57,785 --> 00:44:59,958 KENNY: I was brought up to believe television 1062 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,305 is the enemy of rock 'n' roll. 1063 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,415 ♪ It's all the same ♪ 1064 00:45:03,417 --> 00:45:05,177 KENNY: Les Garland started harassing me. 1065 00:45:05,561 --> 00:45:08,631 He was one of the heads of MTV, and he just begged me, 1066 00:45:08,633 --> 00:45:10,422 and I said, "Okay, but you're only allowed 1067 00:45:10,424 --> 00:45:12,153 to play it two times a day." 1068 00:45:12,344 --> 00:45:15,191 He was playing it 16 times a day and freaking me out. 1069 00:45:15,193 --> 00:45:16,727 There was very little I could do about it. 1070 00:45:16,729 --> 00:45:18,202 It was number one for eight weeks. 1071 00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:20,918 ♪ He was with me, Yeah, me, singin'... ♪ 1072 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,257 KENNY: But I felt that in retrospect, 1073 00:45:23,545 --> 00:45:26,842 the second four weeks it was probably number one 1074 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:29,945 because all of a sudden, the image went on. 1075 00:45:30,264 --> 00:45:31,990 I mean, I love rock 'n' roll. 1076 00:45:31,992 --> 00:45:34,454 Fuck, of course I love rock 'n'... I'm in. 1077 00:45:34,456 --> 00:45:38,262 I kind of wanted to be, like, you know, 1078 00:45:38,264 --> 00:45:39,833 the guy version of that. 1079 00:45:40,088 --> 00:45:42,935 It was kind of, "Aha, I told you so," in a way, 1080 00:45:42,937 --> 00:45:45,879 but, look, it's real. 1081 00:45:45,881 --> 00:45:48,023 We're good. It wasn't, "I'm good." 1082 00:45:48,025 --> 00:45:50,391 It's, "We're good." It's a team. 1083 00:45:50,393 --> 00:45:52,026 It's an effort, a team effort, 1084 00:45:52,249 --> 00:45:54,105 and we were all out there to make this music. 1085 00:45:54,296 --> 00:45:57,017 ("VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCE" PLAYS, CROWD CHEERS) 1086 00:45:57,304 --> 00:46:00,279 ELLIOT SALTZMAN: Things rapidly changed immediately after that. 1087 00:46:00,281 --> 00:46:03,159 ♪ The police were waiting When the sun came up ♪ 1088 00:46:03,161 --> 00:46:06,070 ♪ Better move your ass Or we'll really get rough ♪ 1089 00:46:06,072 --> 00:46:10,039 Touring the United States, Canada, Japan, and Australia... 1090 00:46:10,041 --> 00:46:12,822 - Joan Jett! - Joan Jett and The Blackhearts. 1091 00:46:12,824 --> 00:46:14,774 ELLIOT: We just traveled the world. 1092 00:46:14,776 --> 00:46:16,630 (MAN SPEAKS SPANISH) 1093 00:46:16,632 --> 00:46:18,486 KENNY: We went down to Panama. 1094 00:46:18,488 --> 00:46:20,246 It's like if there's trouble, we go. 1095 00:46:20,248 --> 00:46:21,977 So we get there, and we get a message. 1096 00:46:22,904 --> 00:46:25,175 Noriega wants Joan, 1097 00:46:25,177 --> 00:46:28,057 and he sends his plane to pick up Joan. 1098 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,654 You couldn't really tell him no. 1099 00:46:29,656 --> 00:46:30,999 We tried to weasel out. 1100 00:46:31,001 --> 00:46:33,369 Luckily for us, less lucky for him, 1101 00:46:33,593 --> 00:46:35,511 there was some bad incident that happened 1102 00:46:35,513 --> 00:46:38,326 that saved our asses because he was serious. 1103 00:46:38,328 --> 00:46:40,089 He wanted to meet Joan Jett. 1104 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,550 ♪ You know I never meant To cause anybody harm, no ♪ 1105 00:46:42,552 --> 00:46:44,502 ♪ Just a victim Of circumstance ♪ 1106 00:46:44,504 --> 00:46:46,550 - ♪ Didn't you know? ♪ - ♪ Just a victim... ♪ 1107 00:46:46,552 --> 00:46:48,343 KENNY: David Bowie and Freddie Mercury 1108 00:46:48,345 --> 00:46:50,359 came up on stage to watch Joan. 1109 00:46:50,361 --> 00:46:53,878 JOAN: We're talking like 80,000 seats or something 1110 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,095 in Leeds, England. 1111 00:46:55,097 --> 00:46:56,854 A few years earlier, 1112 00:46:56,856 --> 00:46:58,839 I was listening to him on the radio, you know, 1113 00:46:58,841 --> 00:47:00,759 and all of a sudden, you're on stage with him. 1114 00:47:00,761 --> 00:47:03,799 (ROCK GUITAR SOLO PLAYS) 1115 00:47:03,801 --> 00:47:06,614 ELLIOT: The fame and everything didn't affect her 1116 00:47:06,616 --> 00:47:08,343 like I thought it would. 1117 00:47:08,345 --> 00:47:09,974 She didn't care about the press conferences 1118 00:47:09,976 --> 00:47:11,478 and the parties and this and that. 1119 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,329 To her, playing was what it was all about. 1120 00:47:14,712 --> 00:47:16,920 ♪ I've been shut out ♪ 1121 00:47:18,105 --> 00:47:21,079 ♪ Let there be no doubt ♪ 1122 00:47:21,081 --> 00:47:24,311 ♪ I've never been afraid Of chances I been takin' ♪ 1123 00:47:24,313 --> 00:47:26,679 JOAN: It was like you were always one foot in the gutter 1124 00:47:26,681 --> 00:47:31,478 and one foot in... possible stardom. 1125 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,175 I can't even figure out how to say it. 1126 00:47:33,177 --> 00:47:35,769 ♪ I ain't that tough, no ♪ 1127 00:47:36,121 --> 00:47:37,782 ♪ Just a victim Of circumstance ♪ 1128 00:47:37,784 --> 00:47:39,127 ♪ Didn't you know? ♪ 1129 00:47:39,129 --> 00:47:40,790 ♪ Just a victim Of circumstance ♪ 1130 00:47:40,792 --> 00:47:41,976 ♪ Doesn't it show? ♪ 1131 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,830 ♪ I'm just a victim Of circumstance ♪ 1132 00:47:43,832 --> 00:47:45,366 ♪ Wherever I go ♪ 1133 00:47:45,368 --> 00:47:47,350 ♪ Just a victim Of bad reputation 1134 00:47:47,352 --> 00:47:48,790 ♪ I got no chance of shakin' ♪ 1135 00:47:48,792 --> 00:47:51,705 JOAN: It was surreal, so surreal. 1136 00:47:52,217 --> 00:47:54,550 It went so far beyond me, it made me realize 1137 00:47:54,552 --> 00:47:58,806 what people can do... in general 1138 00:47:58,808 --> 00:48:00,855 if the circumstances are right. 1139 00:48:00,857 --> 00:48:03,769 First time I heard Joan, I was in the car with my dad, 1140 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,985 and it came on the radio, and it was "Crimson and Clover," 1141 00:48:09,368 --> 00:48:11,832 and I heard that voice, and I was just like... 1142 00:48:12,025 --> 00:48:13,178 ♪ Ahh ♪ 1143 00:48:13,913 --> 00:48:15,514 KATHLEEN: Who is this person? 1144 00:48:16,377 --> 00:48:19,511 ♪ Now I don't hardly know her ♪ 1145 00:48:19,513 --> 00:48:22,041 KATHLEEN: And then when she would get to the pronouns. 1146 00:48:22,361 --> 00:48:25,270 ♪ But I think I can love her ♪ 1147 00:48:25,272 --> 00:48:29,174 And say "she," I got really interested. 1148 00:48:29,176 --> 00:48:32,053 ♪ Crimson and clover ♪ 1149 00:48:32,055 --> 00:48:33,751 You could sing a song 1150 00:48:33,753 --> 00:48:35,798 about really caring about another girl? 1151 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,870 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Ba da da da da da ♪ 1152 00:48:38,872 --> 00:48:40,790 KATHLEEN: 'Cause my friendships were so important to me 1153 00:48:40,792 --> 00:48:44,441 at that age that I was like, "Somebody gets me." 1154 00:48:45,176 --> 00:48:47,034 It's that sort of, "Oh, my God, 1155 00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,333 she's gonna take me home and fuck the shit outta me." 1156 00:48:49,335 --> 00:48:52,119 It's scary, and it's not what people grew up with. 1157 00:48:52,121 --> 00:48:54,103 They're used to being the dominant one. 1158 00:48:54,105 --> 00:48:57,654 They're not used to girls using their sexuality 1159 00:48:57,656 --> 00:48:59,865 in a way that they feel they own it. 1160 00:49:00,665 --> 00:49:03,863 ♪ Ba da da da da da ♪ 1161 00:49:03,865 --> 00:49:06,646 ♪ Over and over ♪ 1162 00:49:06,648 --> 00:49:08,182 MILEY CYRUS: You can say, 1163 00:49:08,184 --> 00:49:09,848 "Oh, people just want to play music, 1164 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,798 and they don't want it to become about their sexuality," 1165 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,751 even if whatever they're wearing or whatever they're doing. 1166 00:49:13,753 --> 00:49:15,735 But sometimes you do wanna fucking be sexual, 1167 00:49:15,737 --> 00:49:17,750 and I think there's this thing that women are supposed to act 1168 00:49:17,752 --> 00:49:18,998 like we don't wanna fuck, too, 1169 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,727 and that we don't like sex, too, 1170 00:49:20,729 --> 00:49:23,030 that only guys like to fuck, that we don't like to have sex. 1171 00:49:23,032 --> 00:49:24,854 CHRIS: The music scene was a total boys club. 1172 00:49:24,856 --> 00:49:27,702 The analogy I always made was Mick Jagger came out 1173 00:49:27,704 --> 00:49:31,033 in Madison Square Garden riding a giant inflated cock. 1174 00:49:31,257 --> 00:49:33,623 And if Debbie or Joan had come out 1175 00:49:33,625 --> 00:49:35,769 riding a giant inflated pussy, 1176 00:49:35,993 --> 00:49:38,326 all the fucking male critics 1177 00:49:38,328 --> 00:49:40,505 would've been running, screaming for the exits. 1178 00:49:40,696 --> 00:49:44,470 BILLIE JOE: If Mick Jagger can transcend his sexuality, 1179 00:49:44,472 --> 00:49:46,711 so does Joan Jett, you know what I mean? 1180 00:49:46,713 --> 00:49:48,631 ALISON MOSSHART: It gives you power to prove everyone wrong. 1181 00:49:48,633 --> 00:49:50,391 There's a huge energy in that. 1182 00:49:50,393 --> 00:49:53,114 It's so valuable to have something to fight against. 1183 00:49:53,304 --> 00:49:56,181 ♪ Over and over ♪ 1184 00:49:56,183 --> 00:49:58,263 ♪ Crimson and clover ♪ 1185 00:49:58,265 --> 00:50:00,215 ALISON: I think the attitude is a really big one. 1186 00:50:00,217 --> 00:50:02,775 I think that's impossible to miss, you know? 1187 00:50:02,777 --> 00:50:04,794 I wouldn't know how to get Joan's sound 1188 00:50:04,985 --> 00:50:06,741 because I'm not technical in that way, 1189 00:50:06,743 --> 00:50:08,760 but the attitude I picked up on right away. 1190 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,871 And that's something that I want in my head 1191 00:50:10,873 --> 00:50:13,558 and my heart when I'm going out there to do that thing 1192 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,478 that's so scary in front of all those people. 1193 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,616 ♪ ("CRIMSON AND CLOVER" CONTINUES) ♪ 1194 00:50:24,441 --> 00:50:27,190 Well, because rock 'n' roll is from the waist down 1195 00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:31,030 if you're doing it right. (LAUGHS) 1196 00:50:31,032 --> 00:50:36,217 (SONG CONTINUES) 1197 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,285 KENNY: Neil died unfortunately of cancer 1198 00:50:39,287 --> 00:50:42,613 at 39 years old in 1982, and at his funeral, 1199 00:50:42,615 --> 00:50:44,342 his mother grabbed Joan and said 1200 00:50:44,344 --> 00:50:46,230 that record meant more to Neil 1201 00:50:46,232 --> 00:50:48,471 than all the other hundreds of hits he had had. 1202 00:50:48,473 --> 00:50:52,118 He said, "See? I can do rock 'n' roll." 1203 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,704 Boardwalk went out of business, and we moved to MCA Records. 1204 00:50:55,993 --> 00:50:58,903 It was beginning of Irving Azoff's tenure there. 1205 00:50:58,905 --> 00:51:01,434 MCA gave us a multimillion-dollar deal, 1206 00:51:01,657 --> 00:51:04,310 and while Irving was brilliant, 1207 00:51:04,312 --> 00:51:06,613 they weren't really ready for a rock-'n'-roll band. 1208 00:51:06,615 --> 00:51:08,058 The album known as "Album" 1209 00:51:08,439 --> 00:51:10,453 didn't do as well as I Love Rock 'n' Roll, 1210 00:51:10,455 --> 00:51:13,911 and the label kind of started kicking the shit out of us, 1211 00:51:13,913 --> 00:51:15,990 and then we had an urban-contemporary 1212 00:51:15,992 --> 00:51:18,488 pretty big hit with everyday people. 1213 00:51:18,713 --> 00:51:20,759 Joan ran around with The Commodores 1214 00:51:20,761 --> 00:51:22,902 and The Temptations and Frankie Crocker. 1215 00:51:22,904 --> 00:51:25,270 ♪ There is a yellow one that Won't accept the black one ♪ 1216 00:51:25,272 --> 00:51:26,774 ♪ That won't accept The red one ♪ 1217 00:51:26,776 --> 00:51:28,694 ♪ That won't accept The white one ♪ 1218 00:51:28,696 --> 00:51:30,613 It's yellow, black, red, white. 1219 00:51:30,615 --> 00:51:33,113 KENNY: And then Glorious Results came out 1220 00:51:33,303 --> 00:51:36,119 and by then, we were fighting with MCA, 1221 00:51:36,121 --> 00:51:38,262 and they kind of buried that record. 1222 00:51:38,264 --> 00:51:40,854 Rock is a business for people who can't do anything properly. 1223 00:51:40,856 --> 00:51:42,582 It's what only a shark would be. 1224 00:51:42,584 --> 00:51:46,266 KENNY: The situation at MCA became so acrimonious 1225 00:51:46,456 --> 00:51:48,757 that they actually did something unthinkable. 1226 00:51:48,759 --> 00:51:50,584 They actually went out in the street 1227 00:51:50,776 --> 00:51:53,335 to try to stop people from playing our records 1228 00:51:53,337 --> 00:51:57,466 to teach us a lesson, and that was unconscionable. 1229 00:51:58,072 --> 00:52:00,278 It's one thing when they're not helping you at all. 1230 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,061 It's another thing when they're coming after you 1231 00:52:03,063 --> 00:52:04,249 and trying to hurt you. 1232 00:52:04,761 --> 00:52:07,671 That's hard to overcome. So what happened? 1233 00:52:07,673 --> 00:52:11,030 We were hot, hot, hot, hot, and now we're cold, cold, cold. 1234 00:52:11,032 --> 00:52:15,225 We felt like... we're back to square one. 1235 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,582 Now, we could still sell out almost any club in America, 1236 00:52:18,584 --> 00:52:21,046 but a lot of people who left us for dead. 1237 00:52:21,048 --> 00:52:23,925 (PLAYING NOTES) 1238 00:52:23,927 --> 00:52:26,293 JEANETTE RASNIK: It's not gonna be so easy this time, Patti. 1239 00:52:26,295 --> 00:52:27,864 You're gonna have to prove yourself. 1240 00:52:30,104 --> 00:52:32,408 From what I can see, you're not a fit mother. 1241 00:52:32,696 --> 00:52:34,933 JOAN: I'd always wanted to act since I was a kid, 1242 00:52:34,935 --> 00:52:38,298 and then out of left field, I got an offer to do a movie. 1243 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,214 It was called Light of Day. 1244 00:52:40,216 --> 00:52:42,198 There's a young woman in rock 'n' roll today 1245 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,502 who has long had the respect of her peers, 1246 00:52:44,504 --> 00:52:46,583 and now she's breaking out into the mainstream. 1247 00:52:46,585 --> 00:52:48,824 And since when are you an authority on fit mothers? 1248 00:52:49,081 --> 00:52:50,742 Since when are you an authority on anything? 1249 00:52:50,744 --> 00:52:53,625 - This can wait, right? - I ain't staying in this house. 1250 00:52:53,816 --> 00:52:56,631 How did Kenny put it? Rock 'n' roll cancer movie. 1251 00:52:56,633 --> 00:52:59,511 Paul Schrader of the movie Taxi Driver 1252 00:52:59,513 --> 00:53:02,614 and movies like that wrote this movie 1253 00:53:02,616 --> 00:53:04,535 and was also directing it. 1254 00:53:04,537 --> 00:53:06,038 MICHAEL J. FOX: People who haven't done a lot of acting, 1255 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,151 but they're natural performers 1256 00:53:08,153 --> 00:53:09,558 it's because they're able to access stuff. 1257 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,351 They're able to go to places, look at things 1258 00:53:11,353 --> 00:53:13,462 from a different angle, and as kind of rock-hard 1259 00:53:13,464 --> 00:53:17,173 and stoic as Joan may seem, she's a very curious person, 1260 00:53:17,175 --> 00:53:18,997 and she would test the limits 1261 00:53:18,999 --> 00:53:20,502 of where she thought she could go 1262 00:53:20,504 --> 00:53:22,392 and bring in new things and new emotions. 1263 00:53:22,617 --> 00:53:24,854 I've seen other actors manufacture 1264 00:53:24,856 --> 00:53:26,584 and summon up for roles, 1265 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,631 but you always see the work behind it, 1266 00:53:28,633 --> 00:53:31,095 whereas with Joan, she just had that. 1267 00:53:31,097 --> 00:53:33,301 I told her. I warned her. I was real clear. 1268 00:53:33,303 --> 00:53:35,862 I told her if she mentioned church or rock 'n' roll 1269 00:53:35,864 --> 00:53:38,166 or marriage, I'd walk out of the room if I was in it, 1270 00:53:38,168 --> 00:53:39,702 hang up the phone if I was on it. 1271 00:53:39,704 --> 00:53:41,271 She can't bring up those subjects no more. 1272 00:53:41,273 --> 00:53:44,118 - It was just prayer. - Yeah, that's her trick. 1273 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,942 Thought she could get away with it. No way, man. 1274 00:53:45,944 --> 00:53:47,734 There's no middle ground. It's her or me. 1275 00:53:47,736 --> 00:53:49,303 When she'd get there, it'd be scary. 1276 00:53:49,305 --> 00:53:51,127 Whether she was acting or she was playing, 1277 00:53:51,129 --> 00:53:52,505 she would get to a place where you just don't fuck around. 1278 00:53:52,696 --> 00:53:54,230 Just let her do what she's doing 1279 00:53:54,232 --> 00:53:56,025 and hope you don't get hurt. 1280 00:53:56,216 --> 00:53:58,902 ♪ Just around the corner Till the light of day, yeah ♪ 1281 00:53:58,904 --> 00:54:01,974 MICHAEL: Bruce Springsteen wrote the title song for the movie. 1282 00:54:01,976 --> 00:54:04,216 Initially, Bruce was supposed to play my role. 1283 00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:10,488 ♪ Driving 500 miles, Got 500 to go, yeah ♪ 1284 00:54:11,929 --> 00:54:16,474 ♪ I've got rock 'n' roll Music on my radio ♪ 1285 00:54:16,696 --> 00:54:18,646 MICHAEL: She's sensitive and emotional, 1286 00:54:18,648 --> 00:54:22,422 and things like loyalty and friendship mean a lot to her 1287 00:54:22,424 --> 00:54:25,301 and empathy, and those are all great qualities in an actor. 1288 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:27,734 REPORTER: He said that you were very patient with him. 1289 00:54:27,736 --> 00:54:29,846 He got the sense that as long as he took what he was doing 1290 00:54:29,848 --> 00:54:31,574 seriously then you wouldn't have a problem with him. 1291 00:54:31,576 --> 00:54:34,454 We treated each other as peers in each other's worlds, 1292 00:54:34,456 --> 00:54:36,600 which was... I thought was very helpful. 1293 00:54:36,793 --> 00:54:40,665 (CROWD CHEERING) 1294 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:44,281 ♪ (PLAYING "I HATE MYSELF FOR LOVING YOU") ♪ 1295 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,649 KENNY: The relationship between your label and yourselves 1296 00:54:54,872 --> 00:54:57,398 I think was capsulated by Neil Bogart who said to me, 1297 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,840 "Think of me as your surgeon. 1298 00:55:00,312 --> 00:55:02,678 And if you piss me off, you're gonna die." 1299 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,434 We were a really small boutique label. 1300 00:55:05,624 --> 00:55:08,279 ♪ Midnight, gettin' uptight, Where are you? ♪ 1301 00:55:08,281 --> 00:55:11,222 KENNY: A big star machine is available to you 1302 00:55:11,224 --> 00:55:13,305 if you're on Warner Brothers or Columbia, 1303 00:55:13,784 --> 00:55:17,880 and that was what Joan missed for most of her career 1304 00:55:18,104 --> 00:55:20,505 because that star machine makes the difference. 1305 00:55:21,369 --> 00:55:24,345 ♪ I turn my back, And you're messin' around ♪ 1306 00:55:24,537 --> 00:55:26,425 ♪ I'm not really jealous... ♪ 1307 00:55:26,776 --> 00:55:29,557 KENNY: So there was a part of me that always wanted the major. 1308 00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,504 So when we went to Epic, we had our little honeymoon, 1309 00:55:33,048 --> 00:55:34,517 and then once again, 1310 00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,271 we had this monster kind of holding us back. 1311 00:55:37,273 --> 00:55:40,121 ♪ Away ♪ 1312 00:55:40,345 --> 00:55:43,834 ♪ I hate myself For loving you ♪ 1313 00:55:44,471 --> 00:55:47,832 ♪ Can't break free from The things that you do ♪ 1314 00:55:48,633 --> 00:55:51,797 ♪ I want to walk, But I run back to you ♪ 1315 00:55:51,799 --> 00:55:55,513 ♪ That's why I hate myself For loving you ♪ 1316 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,278 KENNY: We fought like mad dogs. Joan toured herself to death. 1317 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,158 I was working day and night going to radio stations 1318 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,950 taking everybody out, 1319 00:56:04,952 --> 00:56:07,574 buying televisions for their kids in their dorms, 1320 00:56:07,576 --> 00:56:10,102 you know, whatever I could think of to get an edge, 1321 00:56:10,104 --> 00:56:13,177 and somehow we kept that record alive for 17 weeks, 1322 00:56:13,592 --> 00:56:15,513 and then we were back, and we had friends again. 1323 00:56:15,735 --> 00:56:17,238 (SIREN WAILS) 1324 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:18,646 REPORTER: Washington, D.C. 1325 00:56:18,648 --> 00:56:21,046 Only two miles from the White House, 1326 00:56:21,048 --> 00:56:24,374 storeowners prepare for another night of civil unrest. 1327 00:56:24,376 --> 00:56:28,022 The summer of '92, there was a riot 1328 00:56:28,024 --> 00:56:30,645 in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood of Washington, D.C., 1329 00:56:30,647 --> 00:56:33,526 and that neighborhood was filled with punk group houses. 1330 00:56:33,528 --> 00:56:35,832 There was a lot of women who were very political. 1331 00:56:36,024 --> 00:56:39,798 This woman Jen Thomas said, "We should have a girl riot." 1332 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,622 So she said, "We should be riot girls." 1333 00:56:41,624 --> 00:56:45,557 That was the beginning of the Riot Grrrl movement 1334 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:46,550 or whatever you want to call it. 1335 00:56:46,552 --> 00:56:49,237 ♪ Rebel girl ♪ 1336 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,190 ♪ Rebel girl ♪ 1337 00:56:51,192 --> 00:56:54,073 ♪ Rebel girl, You are the queen of my world ♪ 1338 00:56:54,263 --> 00:56:56,885 ♪ Rebel girl, Rebel girl ♪ 1339 00:56:56,887 --> 00:56:59,797 Two girls, Tobi and Kathi from my band, Bikini Kill, 1340 00:56:59,799 --> 00:57:01,624 went to see a Fugazi show. 1341 00:57:01,816 --> 00:57:03,637 IAN: And Joan and Kenny came down for the gig, 1342 00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:05,622 and you can see her in the back of this... 1343 00:57:05,624 --> 00:57:07,510 you know, on the side of the stage just going off. 1344 00:57:07,512 --> 00:57:09,431 KATHLEEN HANNA: So they got one of our demo tapes. 1345 00:57:09,433 --> 00:57:11,481 They must've had one in their bag or something, 1346 00:57:11,896 --> 00:57:14,261 and then they wrote "For a good time call," 1347 00:57:14,263 --> 00:57:16,150 and they wrote my phone number. 1348 00:57:16,152 --> 00:57:18,552 Phone rings, and I pick it up, and it's like, 1349 00:57:19,063 --> 00:57:20,981 "Hey, Kathleen, it's Joan Jett." 1350 00:57:20,983 --> 00:57:24,186 And I was just like, "Yeah, whatever, who the fuck is this?" 1351 00:57:24,376 --> 00:57:25,846 "No, I was at the Fugazi show last night." 1352 00:57:25,848 --> 00:57:27,701 She's like, "I heard a demo of your band. 1353 00:57:27,703 --> 00:57:29,495 I think it's really great, maybe we could work together." 1354 00:57:29,497 --> 00:57:31,638 I was just like, "This really is not funny." 1355 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,558 So I walk into the living room. 1356 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,382 We have this Glorious Misspent Youth poster. 1357 00:57:35,384 --> 00:57:37,302 I said, "Okay, if you're really Joan Jett, 1358 00:57:37,304 --> 00:57:39,191 tell me what your hair looks like." 1359 00:57:39,193 --> 00:57:43,669 And she goes, "It's like a bastardized, disheveled bob." 1360 00:57:43,671 --> 00:57:46,550 And I was like, "Oh, shit, you are Joan Jett!" 1361 00:57:46,552 --> 00:57:47,833 (LAUGHS) 1362 00:57:48,376 --> 00:57:50,774 JOAN: I got such a kick out of watching them 1363 00:57:50,776 --> 00:57:53,653 fight their fight because their fight was my fight. 1364 00:57:53,655 --> 00:57:55,573 I'm not willing to deal with the mainstream anymore 1365 00:57:55,575 --> 00:57:58,422 when they're constantly asking me questions about sexual abuse, 1366 00:57:58,424 --> 00:58:00,854 about if I've been a stripper, if I haven't been a stripper, 1367 00:58:00,856 --> 00:58:03,673 constantly just completely sexist shit. 1368 00:58:03,864 --> 00:58:06,134 And probably on another level, she related to it 1369 00:58:06,136 --> 00:58:07,577 because she's a woman, you know? 1370 00:58:07,801 --> 00:58:10,742 And she had been, of all people, in the trenches 1371 00:58:10,744 --> 00:58:13,784 in an era where women were, you know, so marginalized. 1372 00:58:14,424 --> 00:58:17,173 KATHLEEN: I wanted to use music to spread feminism, 1373 00:58:17,175 --> 00:58:19,480 and I thought punk was a great vehicle. 1374 00:58:19,703 --> 00:58:22,390 I equated being on a major label with, like, 1375 00:58:22,392 --> 00:58:24,440 "Oh, I'm gonna start using drugs and die." 1376 00:58:24,856 --> 00:58:26,421 Kim and Thurston from Sonic Youth 1377 00:58:26,423 --> 00:58:28,821 were really nice to us and would let us crash on the floor, 1378 00:58:28,823 --> 00:58:30,901 but Joan was the person who stepped forward 1379 00:58:30,903 --> 00:58:32,661 and said, "I want to be involved." 1380 00:58:32,663 --> 00:58:34,392 She really understood where we were coming from. 1381 00:58:34,616 --> 00:58:37,461 JOAN: For lack of a better term, you know, an updated version 1382 00:58:37,463 --> 00:58:39,288 of what The Runaways were trying to achieve, 1383 00:58:39,481 --> 00:58:41,654 some kind of legitimacy. 1384 00:58:41,656 --> 00:58:43,414 KATHLEEN: She kind of was the cement 1385 00:58:43,416 --> 00:58:45,238 that kept a lot of things going 1386 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,278 for some of the feminist bands in the '90s, definitely for me. 1387 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,221 I mean, she changed my whole career path 1388 00:58:51,223 --> 00:58:53,689 and taught me how to record a record. 1389 00:58:53,911 --> 00:58:55,895 IAN: When they did that Bikini Kill record, 1390 00:58:55,897 --> 00:58:57,622 they produced a record, 1391 00:58:57,624 --> 00:58:59,735 which was I think the best Bikini Kill record. 1392 00:58:59,737 --> 00:59:01,781 Joan's name is on there, but Kenny's really... 1393 00:59:01,783 --> 00:59:03,319 he's involved. 1394 00:59:03,321 --> 00:59:05,622 He's working. He's always in the studio. 1395 00:59:05,624 --> 00:59:07,574 I have to say, this kind of ties in Joan pretty intensely. 1396 00:59:07,576 --> 00:59:09,494 I hadn't heard of The Runaways. 1397 00:59:09,496 --> 00:59:12,181 One of the earliest scenes that we were really interested in 1398 00:59:12,183 --> 00:59:13,782 was the LA punk scene, 1399 00:59:13,784 --> 00:59:15,096 and then The Germs' album came out, 1400 00:59:15,353 --> 00:59:17,464 and that record was hugely significant for us, 1401 00:59:17,687 --> 00:59:19,478 and Joan had produced it. 1402 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,101 Wait a minute, that's the "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" person. 1403 00:59:22,103 --> 00:59:25,144 Like, that's crazy that she produced this record. 1404 00:59:25,496 --> 00:59:29,270 She has been a part of not only her own music 1405 00:59:29,272 --> 00:59:31,541 that she's produced but also some of the greatest 1406 00:59:31,543 --> 00:59:34,006 punk music that's ever been put out. 1407 00:59:34,008 --> 00:59:35,865 TV HOST: We have a few friends for you to meet, 1408 00:59:36,121 --> 00:59:38,296 Mercury recording artist Joan Jett of The Runaways, 1409 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,629 and we have with us tonight The Germs 1410 00:59:40,631 --> 00:59:42,165 performing at the Whisky. 1411 00:59:42,167 --> 00:59:44,022 What are you guys gonna do tonight? 1412 00:59:44,024 --> 00:59:45,529 Same stuff we always do. 1413 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,817 ♪ ("SHUT DOWN" BY THE GERMS PLAYS) ♪ 1414 00:59:52,376 --> 00:59:54,905 JOAN: The Germs, they were a pretty... 1415 00:59:56,183 --> 00:59:58,424 infamous LA punk band. 1416 00:59:58,968 --> 01:00:01,909 The lead singer, Darby Crash, and the guitar player, 1417 01:00:01,911 --> 01:00:03,766 Pat Smear, were huge Runaways fans. 1418 01:00:03,768 --> 01:00:06,069 Eventually, they started this band called The Germs, 1419 01:00:06,071 --> 01:00:07,991 and they were hard-core punk. 1420 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,870 (SONG CONTINUES) 1421 01:00:10,872 --> 01:00:14,581 Darby is some kind of crazed Colonel Kurtz-like 1422 01:00:14,583 --> 01:00:17,078 shaman of teenage people. 1423 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,080 (SONG CONTINUES) 1424 01:00:21,495 --> 01:00:24,856 JOAN: Must have been '79 at some point before I moved, 1425 01:00:25,081 --> 01:00:27,609 they asked if, you know, I would produce an album, 1426 01:00:27,895 --> 01:00:30,230 and I'm figuring you know, they think I know what I'm doing 1427 01:00:30,232 --> 01:00:32,470 because I've made a couple albums with The Runaways. 1428 01:00:32,472 --> 01:00:34,389 DON: She didn't engineer. That wasn't her thing. 1429 01:00:34,391 --> 01:00:35,925 Had a great sensibility. 1430 01:00:35,927 --> 01:00:38,328 She's like, "I think you gotta tune the guitar, Pat." 1431 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,613 It was a no-frills album but just straight-up punk rock. 1432 01:00:42,615 --> 01:00:44,341 I was very proud of the record. 1433 01:00:44,343 --> 01:00:45,942 We needed someone with ears 1434 01:00:45,944 --> 01:00:48,119 and someone with a rock 'n' roll heart 1435 01:00:48,121 --> 01:00:50,040 and they're helping us make a good record, 1436 01:00:50,231 --> 01:00:52,056 and she did that, by gosh. 1437 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,102 She knew how to get us to do the things. 1438 01:00:54,104 --> 01:00:57,750 And then the last day, I partied too much 1439 01:00:57,752 --> 01:00:59,001 and passed out on the couch, 1440 01:00:59,512 --> 01:01:01,941 which Darby documents in one of the songs. 1441 01:01:01,943 --> 01:01:03,637 (SINGING "SHUT DOWN") 1442 01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:05,301 ♪ Joan Jett ♪ 1443 01:01:05,303 --> 01:01:08,630 ♪ Passed out On the fucking set ♪ 1444 01:01:08,632 --> 01:01:13,625 (CONTINUES SINGING) 1445 01:01:14,392 --> 01:01:17,173 TV NARRATOR: Since 1991, the hottest spot 1446 01:01:17,175 --> 01:01:19,416 in rock 'n' roll has been Seattle, Washington. 1447 01:01:19,992 --> 01:01:22,998 Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains 1448 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,337 all came out of the local music scene. 1449 01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:27,637 Many people thought the next breakthrough band 1450 01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,654 would be The Gits, a punk-rock group 1451 01:01:29,656 --> 01:01:33,177 fronted by Mia Zapata, a charismatic 27-year-old 1452 01:01:33,464 --> 01:01:34,937 with a tragic destiny. 1453 01:01:37,464 --> 01:01:39,062 MAN: (ON RECORDING) Two of her roommates 1454 01:01:39,064 --> 01:01:40,569 finally broke down 1455 01:01:40,791 --> 01:01:44,760 and called the morgue, where she... where she was, 1456 01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:46,901 and she was an unidentified victim 1457 01:01:46,903 --> 01:01:48,248 at the morgue at that time. 1458 01:01:49,367 --> 01:01:51,448 JOAN: She was found strangled to death by her... 1459 01:01:52,535 --> 01:01:56,888 her hoodie tie, raped, and left in an alley. 1460 01:01:57,144 --> 01:01:59,925 Somehow came up in the studio with Joan, and she's just like, 1461 01:01:59,927 --> 01:02:02,293 "We gotta do something. We gotta be involved." 1462 01:02:02,295 --> 01:02:04,213 Next thing you know, she's, like, 1463 01:02:04,215 --> 01:02:06,968 singing The Gits songs 1464 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,526 with the surviving members of The Gits. 1465 01:02:09,528 --> 01:02:11,318 JOAN: The thing that really struck me 1466 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,470 really hard at the time was how it could've been 1467 01:02:16,472 --> 01:02:19,253 any one of us and how many times, you know, 1468 01:02:19,255 --> 01:02:22,454 I've come home late at night in that exact same situation. 1469 01:02:22,456 --> 01:02:24,342 She could've been me, and I could've been her. 1470 01:02:24,344 --> 01:02:26,357 Then he slapped you right across the face. 1471 01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:28,022 (IMITATES GUITAR STRUMMING) 1472 01:02:28,024 --> 01:02:31,736 And there's no singing. So it emphasizes that. 1473 01:02:32,055 --> 01:02:34,870 It was a very strange thing because it was... 1474 01:02:34,872 --> 01:02:36,662 you're celebrating the music, 1475 01:02:36,664 --> 01:02:38,677 but it was about such a horrible thing. 1476 01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:40,534 It's gonna blow their minds. It's unbelievable. 1477 01:02:40,536 --> 01:02:42,072 JOAN: It's like, really good. 1478 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,949 INTERVIEWER: How did you guys make that very painful decision 1479 01:02:44,951 --> 01:02:46,389 to keep on playing? 1480 01:02:46,391 --> 01:02:49,333 Because Mia would be really upset if we didn't. 1481 01:02:49,335 --> 01:02:52,920 JOAN: When you see the footage and you see how close they were 1482 01:02:53,143 --> 01:02:55,862 and you see Andy and Mia joking onstage 1483 01:02:55,864 --> 01:02:58,902 and you see this rapport and how close they were, 1484 01:02:58,904 --> 01:02:59,801 I mean... 1485 01:03:02,744 --> 01:03:07,480 (VOICE BREAKS) It really had to be devastating, you know? 1486 01:03:08,535 --> 01:03:11,416 Hey, we'd like to thank you all right here real quick 1487 01:03:11,832 --> 01:03:16,021 for coming out to Viva Zapata. 1488 01:03:16,023 --> 01:03:17,205 Thank you for supporting. 1489 01:03:17,207 --> 01:03:18,904 All the money went to charity. 1490 01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:21,142 To help protect women walking home, 1491 01:03:21,144 --> 01:03:23,797 self-defense classes, all kinds of stuff. 1492 01:03:23,799 --> 01:03:25,590 It was a big deal at the time 1493 01:03:25,592 --> 01:03:28,437 because women were getting raped, murdered. 1494 01:03:28,439 --> 01:03:31,032 KENNY: It was also to contribute money for the private eye... 1495 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,881 JOAN: To find the guy that killed Mia. 1496 01:03:35,416 --> 01:03:38,165 ♪ But I think I know It hurts me to be angry ♪ 1497 01:03:38,167 --> 01:03:39,830 ♪ Kills me to be kind ♪ 1498 01:03:39,832 --> 01:03:41,176 JOAN: I'll still never forget the day 1499 01:03:41,688 --> 01:03:44,664 I got a phone call from Steve Moriarty. 1500 01:03:46,104 --> 01:03:49,144 No hello, no nothing. "We got him." 1501 01:03:52,824 --> 01:03:57,240 ♪ So messed up I want you here ♪ 1502 01:04:00,344 --> 01:04:02,293 THOMMY PRICE: The mid-'90s, you know, 1503 01:04:02,295 --> 01:04:05,238 we were doing all of these one-off shows. 1504 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,957 You'd be going to a crappy little town 1505 01:04:07,959 --> 01:04:13,207 doing a state fair not really LA but three hours outside of LA. 1506 01:04:13,495 --> 01:04:17,144 I went through a phase where I didn't really give a crap. 1507 01:04:18,744 --> 01:04:20,601 Because they were, you know, 1508 01:04:20,983 --> 01:04:24,021 gigs that I felt we shouldn't have been doing or whatever. 1509 01:04:24,023 --> 01:04:27,576 ♪ Now I wanna Be your dog ♪ 1510 01:04:27,831 --> 01:04:31,509 ♪ Now I wanna Be your dog ♪ 1511 01:04:31,511 --> 01:04:33,013 KENNY: Our business is funny. 1512 01:04:33,015 --> 01:04:35,285 You're hot and important, then you're not. 1513 01:04:35,287 --> 01:04:36,853 JOAN: It was a bad feeling, but I always felt 1514 01:04:36,855 --> 01:04:39,127 like we had to fight on. 1515 01:04:39,415 --> 01:04:43,413 We knew we had what it took. We didn't stop working. 1516 01:04:43,415 --> 01:04:45,847 - And so... - KENNY: It was not fun. 1517 01:04:47,415 --> 01:04:51,317 Unless you've been gifted in your 20s 1518 01:04:51,319 --> 01:04:54,614 with incredible piles of money 1519 01:04:54,616 --> 01:04:56,758 being thrown at you by the system, 1520 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,801 which almost all really, really good musicians are not... 1521 01:05:01,751 --> 01:05:08,057 ♪ Yes, and now I'm ready To close my eyes ♪ 1522 01:05:09,335 --> 01:05:11,061 ♪ Yes, and now... ♪ 1523 01:05:11,063 --> 01:05:13,783 IGGY POP: You need to exert incredible focus 1524 01:05:13,976 --> 01:05:16,184 on maintaining your own identity 1525 01:05:16,728 --> 01:05:20,150 while still using a skill to enter the system 1526 01:05:20,152 --> 01:05:24,248 without destroying yourself as a force. 1527 01:05:24,824 --> 01:05:29,653 ♪ Yes, and lose my heart On burning sand ♪ 1528 01:05:29,655 --> 01:05:32,601 Come on, Charleston, I wanna hear you now! 1529 01:05:33,015 --> 01:05:37,430 DEBBIE: You have to be really willing to go anywhere with it, 1530 01:05:37,432 --> 01:05:40,853 up or down, you know, sideways, whatever. 1531 01:05:40,855 --> 01:05:44,377 THOMMY: Joan, she gives it 100 percent 1532 01:05:44,567 --> 01:05:48,536 whether it's a state fair, a sweet 16 birthday party, 1533 01:05:48,759 --> 01:05:50,678 or 10,000 people. 1534 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,488 She still gives it her all. No matter what. 1535 01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:58,902 (SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY, PLAYS SOLO) 1536 01:05:58,904 --> 01:06:01,301 DANA WHITE: I saw her live at a summer music festival 1537 01:06:01,303 --> 01:06:04,953 here in Las Vegas, 110 degrees out, full leather, 1538 01:06:05,143 --> 01:06:07,832 up on stage just ripping it apart. 1539 01:06:08,024 --> 01:06:10,393 'Cause this was mid-'90s to late '90s. 1540 01:06:10,615 --> 01:06:13,206 We ended up doing some private thing together. 1541 01:06:13,208 --> 01:06:14,677 I was like, "Man, I forgot 1542 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,726 how bad-ass Joan Jett was," you know? 1543 01:06:16,728 --> 01:06:19,221 Rock 'n' roll animal, I mean, is there was ever anyone 1544 01:06:19,223 --> 01:06:22,072 that fit that description, it's Joan through and through. 1545 01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,261 KENNY: I would say our period during the '90s 1546 01:06:30,263 --> 01:06:32,118 was the most difficult. 1547 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,288 If it was our fate to split up, it would have been then, 1548 01:06:35,736 --> 01:06:37,145 but we stuck together. 1549 01:06:37,751 --> 01:06:39,285 (MAN LAUGHS) 1550 01:06:39,287 --> 01:06:40,822 Pretty scary sight? 1551 01:06:40,824 --> 01:06:42,136 MAN: It's a beautiful thing. 1552 01:06:42,551 --> 01:06:44,152 You know what? 1553 01:06:44,344 --> 01:06:46,581 I'm not trying to tell you how to do lights or anything. 1554 01:06:46,583 --> 01:06:49,013 Doesn't it get cold in the middle of the show? 1555 01:06:49,015 --> 01:06:51,032 We got a band here from New York City 1556 01:06:51,224 --> 01:06:54,774 that have been performing for soldiers for 18 years. 1557 01:06:54,776 --> 01:06:57,941 I wasn't for the Vietnam War, but I also had people 1558 01:06:57,943 --> 01:07:01,208 in my family, like my godfather, Uncle Nat, 1559 01:07:01,783 --> 01:07:03,861 who said, "You have to serve your country." 1560 01:07:03,863 --> 01:07:07,320 So I started doing stuff for the troops. 1561 01:07:07,574 --> 01:07:10,004 JOAN: I feel it's really important to give back 1562 01:07:10,006 --> 01:07:11,862 and serve on some level, 1563 01:07:11,864 --> 01:07:14,293 and since I didn't in that capacity, 1564 01:07:14,295 --> 01:07:16,341 I feel like that's the least I can do. 1565 01:07:16,343 --> 01:07:19,957 KENNY: I never connected the troops with the policy. 1566 01:07:19,959 --> 01:07:21,493 GENERAL BYRNES: We put on a show, 1567 01:07:21,495 --> 01:07:24,473 packed house in Tuzla, Bosnia, 1568 01:07:24,696 --> 01:07:26,676 and you could see her opening up 1569 01:07:26,678 --> 01:07:29,589 and trying to understand what the people in that region 1570 01:07:29,591 --> 01:07:33,143 had been through, a very bloody three-year conflict. 1571 01:07:33,464 --> 01:07:35,384 JOAN: I'm an antiwar person 1572 01:07:35,832 --> 01:07:39,703 who loves the people in the military. 1573 01:07:39,895 --> 01:07:43,030 I don't like the military for the military's sake. 1574 01:07:43,032 --> 01:07:45,557 Isn't it scary that kids fight the wars? 1575 01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:46,552 Yeah. 1576 01:07:47,447 --> 01:07:48,821 - It's scary that there's war. - Isn't it? 1577 01:07:48,823 --> 01:07:50,229 It's scary that they're fighting 1578 01:07:50,231 --> 01:07:51,797 because there are two religions 1579 01:07:51,799 --> 01:07:54,677 and they can't just be curious about each other 1580 01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,112 instead of dominant over one another. 1581 01:07:57,432 --> 01:07:59,317 Long ago, we decided that was the tack 1582 01:07:59,319 --> 01:08:01,781 we were gonna take as species, you know, 1583 01:08:01,783 --> 01:08:06,648 that we were gonna dominate instead of sort of merge. 1584 01:08:06,903 --> 01:08:09,752 ♪ (PLAYING "FETISH") ♪ 1585 01:08:15,191 --> 01:08:19,545 ♪ Oh, look good in latex ♪ 1586 01:08:22,936 --> 01:08:27,897 ♪ Get off having rough sex ♪ 1587 01:08:29,782 --> 01:08:32,504 When 9/11 happened, 1588 01:08:33,622 --> 01:08:36,632 the first thing I thought of was we gotta get over there. 1589 01:08:36,919 --> 01:08:38,742 They said they didn't want the band. 1590 01:08:38,744 --> 01:08:40,470 They wanted just Kenny and I. 1591 01:08:40,472 --> 01:08:42,007 They wanted to keep the footprints light. 1592 01:08:42,296 --> 01:08:44,501 People were just incredulous. "Why are you here?" 1593 01:08:44,503 --> 01:08:46,455 We said, "We're here 'cause you're here. 1594 01:08:47,191 --> 01:08:48,789 We just want to say thank you." 1595 01:08:48,791 --> 01:08:50,229 BYRNES: The way she interacted, 1596 01:08:50,231 --> 01:08:52,150 there was nothing artificial about it. 1597 01:08:52,152 --> 01:08:54,934 Others would come, put on a show and leave. 1598 01:08:54,936 --> 01:08:56,437 Joan stayed. 1599 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,102 I got so much positive feedback 1600 01:08:58,104 --> 01:08:59,990 about how she made them feel. 1601 01:08:59,992 --> 01:09:01,909 And, oh, my God, I have to say this. 1602 01:09:01,911 --> 01:09:03,702 You lifted up your arm, and you've got hair 1603 01:09:03,704 --> 01:09:05,653 under your armpits and no hair on your head! 1604 01:09:05,655 --> 01:09:08,376 I love that! It's genius! It's genius! 1605 01:09:08,983 --> 01:09:11,927 You sound like my producer, Kenny Laguna. 1606 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,304 Will you show that again? 1607 01:09:13,816 --> 01:09:15,063 JOAN: Now what are you doing? 1608 01:09:15,896 --> 01:09:17,913 KENNY: Why can't you guys get off my back? 1609 01:09:19,959 --> 01:09:22,296 Because it's such a lovely back. 1610 01:09:23,446 --> 01:09:24,916 KENNY: Do you want to lick it? 1611 01:09:24,918 --> 01:09:26,360 No, I don't wanna lick it. 1612 01:09:27,638 --> 01:09:30,072 - KENNY: There's no hair on it. - I don't care. 1613 01:09:30,678 --> 01:09:32,149 BILLIE JOE: It's almost like watching 1614 01:09:32,151 --> 01:09:33,462 The Odd Couple a little bit. 1615 01:09:33,464 --> 01:09:34,550 There's something about those two. 1616 01:09:34,552 --> 01:09:36,085 There's a special bond 1617 01:09:36,087 --> 01:09:37,813 and chemistry that they have between them. 1618 01:09:37,815 --> 01:09:39,701 Kind of like George and Gracie in reverse or something. 1619 01:09:39,703 --> 01:09:42,196 Can't you just keep your thoughts to yourself for once? 1620 01:09:42,198 --> 01:09:44,757 You've been saying the same thing over and over 1621 01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:46,932 and over and over all day since I woke up. 1622 01:09:46,934 --> 01:09:48,821 Well, 'cause you said as soon as I wouldn't 1623 01:09:48,823 --> 01:09:52,309 hand you the thing, then you had to storm out! 1624 01:09:52,311 --> 01:09:54,455 JOAN: I'm not arguing with you anymore. 1625 01:09:54,678 --> 01:09:57,044 You can tell there's a deep love for each other 1626 01:09:57,046 --> 01:09:59,063 and that they're inseparable people. 1627 01:09:59,256 --> 01:10:01,333 They're alter egos in a way, aren't they? 1628 01:10:01,335 --> 01:10:04,150 They're twins from different fathers. 1629 01:10:04,152 --> 01:10:06,101 (LAUGHS) In a sense. 1630 01:10:06,103 --> 01:10:09,109 And I guess that happens with most good friendships. 1631 01:10:09,111 --> 01:10:12,312 I think people get so stuck on relationships being... 1632 01:10:12,792 --> 01:10:17,336 a sexual relationship or having to be a romantic relationship. 1633 01:10:17,718 --> 01:10:19,865 BILL: What is it with your best friend 1634 01:10:20,087 --> 01:10:22,295 that you hit things off with so easily? 1635 01:10:22,519 --> 01:10:24,888 You know, you actually know what the other guy's thinking. 1636 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,741 You tune in, and I suppose 1637 01:10:26,743 --> 01:10:28,565 that's what they've got going for them. 1638 01:10:28,567 --> 01:10:30,196 People don't find this in their life partners. 1639 01:10:30,198 --> 01:10:32,182 People don't have the love they have in marriages. 1640 01:10:32,184 --> 01:10:33,749 That's why they don't stay together 1641 01:10:33,751 --> 01:10:34,808 as long as Kenny and Joan. 1642 01:10:35,896 --> 01:10:38,553 BILL: It's a marriage without the sex, really. 1643 01:10:38,743 --> 01:10:40,569 Um, it's a mentor marriage. 1644 01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:43,284 MILEY: People literally are fucking married 1645 01:10:43,286 --> 01:10:45,944 to people that they hate, and then you see these two. 1646 01:10:46,391 --> 01:10:49,848 I'm putting this on just so it'll be done for the future. 1647 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:51,350 This is going in the trash. 1648 01:10:51,352 --> 01:10:52,984 No it's not. I'm sending it to Caesar. 1649 01:10:53,624 --> 01:10:55,156 No. You'll just make another one, Kenny. 1650 01:10:55,158 --> 01:10:56,886 I don't care. I'm sending it to him. 1651 01:10:56,888 --> 01:10:59,000 No you're not, he won't be able to get the tape off, 1652 01:10:59,415 --> 01:11:00,663 and it'll mark up the stuff. 1653 01:11:01,847 --> 01:11:04,247 He's gonna do... I know him. Don't give me a fucking face. 1654 01:11:04,694 --> 01:11:06,677 Kenny is just... He's just the classic 1655 01:11:06,679 --> 01:11:08,952 New York dude that just loves music, 1656 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,381 and he's a really caring person that loves Joan 1657 01:11:11,383 --> 01:11:13,844 and just loves rock music 1658 01:11:13,846 --> 01:11:15,831 and just wants it to just prevail. 1659 01:11:16,151 --> 01:11:17,816 Out, please. I gotta get changed. 1660 01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:20,345 I'm sending it to The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. 1661 01:11:22,103 --> 01:11:23,957 It's the one you almost wore. 1662 01:11:23,959 --> 01:11:26,105 KATHLEEN: He's a hard-core feminist man. 1663 01:11:26,422 --> 01:11:29,557 He is totally just a contrarian. 1664 01:11:29,559 --> 01:11:31,540 And he likes to fuck with everything 1665 01:11:31,542 --> 01:11:33,045 anybody says ever. 1666 01:11:33,047 --> 01:11:34,390 They're a family with each other, 1667 01:11:34,392 --> 01:11:36,180 and they're interdependent on each other. 1668 01:11:36,182 --> 01:11:37,974 They really are partners. 1669 01:11:37,976 --> 01:11:40,116 Sure, it's dysfunctional. Everything's dysfunctional. 1670 01:11:40,118 --> 01:11:42,840 But it's like it's my kind of dysfunctional. 1671 01:11:43,063 --> 01:11:45,109 MILEY: And people want to tell, I guess, everyone 1672 01:11:45,111 --> 01:11:46,740 how to be and who to love, 1673 01:11:46,742 --> 01:11:48,277 but you can't help who you love, 1674 01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:49,784 and you can't help what your relationship 1675 01:11:50,167 --> 01:11:51,544 is with them either. 1676 01:11:51,831 --> 01:11:53,653 DOUGIE NEEDLES: Whenever they appear to be at odds... 1677 01:11:53,655 --> 01:11:56,597 (CHUCKLES) Just wait until it blows over. 1678 01:11:56,599 --> 01:11:58,421 Because it does, it blows over, and ten minutes later... 1679 01:11:58,423 --> 01:11:59,861 not even, five minutes later, 1680 01:11:59,863 --> 01:12:01,397 they're acting like it never happened. 1681 01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,668 Best friends are supposed to annoy you a little bit. 1682 01:12:03,670 --> 01:12:05,464 They gotta push your buttons a little. 1683 01:12:06,102 --> 01:12:07,478 They keep you alive. 1684 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:08,950 So it's an extraordinary situation. 1685 01:12:08,952 --> 01:12:10,840 You won't see another one like it, really. 1686 01:12:11,287 --> 01:12:12,852 KENNY: So the years went by. 1687 01:12:12,854 --> 01:12:15,701 Even though we were having some profile, 1688 01:12:15,703 --> 01:12:17,303 we were not making money. 1689 01:12:17,622 --> 01:12:21,301 Carianne came back from Colorado, 1690 01:12:21,303 --> 01:12:23,064 and Cari came on board. 1691 01:12:23,352 --> 01:12:26,196 When I got there, my father was ready 1692 01:12:26,198 --> 01:12:29,172 to sign Rick Derringer's Christian album. 1693 01:12:29,174 --> 01:12:31,093 It was "Rock & Roll, Hoochie Koo," 1694 01:12:31,095 --> 01:12:32,790 and instead of "Rock & Roll, Hoochie Koo," 1695 01:12:32,792 --> 01:12:34,453 it was "Jesus Christ, Hoochie Koo." 1696 01:12:34,455 --> 01:12:36,630 My father always had this philosophy of, 1697 01:12:36,632 --> 01:12:38,776 "If they're a friend, we will put it out." 1698 01:12:39,223 --> 01:12:41,175 KENNY: You know, she was like, "I'll stick around, 1699 01:12:41,559 --> 01:12:44,470 but we've gotta treat this like a real label." 1700 01:12:44,472 --> 01:12:47,221 And she had grown up in the business 1701 01:12:47,223 --> 01:12:49,272 but also had the attitude of a young person. 1702 01:12:49,815 --> 01:12:53,269 Like, I didn't want iTunes. iTunes to me was the enemy. 1703 01:12:53,271 --> 01:12:55,957 I'm selling "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" for $17. 1704 01:12:55,959 --> 01:12:57,305 I don't want to sell it for a dollar. 1705 01:12:57,655 --> 01:12:59,412 She finally talked me into doing it, 1706 01:12:59,414 --> 01:13:01,780 and the first month, we sold 70,000 1707 01:13:01,782 --> 01:13:03,671 "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" downloads, 1708 01:13:04,503 --> 01:13:06,616 and we were in business. 1709 01:13:07,223 --> 01:13:09,430 JOAN: Cari came in, and boom, boom, boom, boom. 1710 01:13:09,432 --> 01:13:11,413 KENNY: I had a meeting with Kevin Lyman, 1711 01:13:11,415 --> 01:13:13,270 who owns The Warped Tour. 1712 01:13:13,272 --> 01:13:15,605 The Warped Tour was this hip thing, 1713 01:13:15,607 --> 01:13:18,773 and it was kind of a weird concept for Joan 1714 01:13:18,775 --> 01:13:20,116 to go on The Warped Tour. 1715 01:13:20,118 --> 01:13:21,910 CARIANNE BRINKMAN: I think at that point, 1716 01:13:21,912 --> 01:13:25,621 Joan was not feeling as inspired and my father, too. 1717 01:13:25,623 --> 01:13:28,182 I didn't see the fire that I saw 1718 01:13:28,184 --> 01:13:29,750 after The Warped Tour. 1719 01:13:29,752 --> 01:13:33,976 It reignited her, and it reignited the passion. 1720 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,332 (CROWD CHEERING) 1721 01:13:37,334 --> 01:13:41,077 How's everybody doing? Wow, look where we are. 1722 01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:42,199 This is so pretty. 1723 01:13:43,735 --> 01:13:45,780 I was actually born in Pennsylvania. 1724 01:13:45,782 --> 01:13:49,368 (CROWD CHEERING) 1725 01:13:49,751 --> 01:13:51,796 LAURA JANE GRACE: And you're traveling around the US 1726 01:13:51,798 --> 01:13:53,749 and playing in parking lots, and I'm like, "Whoa, 1727 01:13:53,751 --> 01:13:55,636 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts are gonna be on this tour?" 1728 01:13:55,638 --> 01:13:57,141 Joan's a real rock star, 1729 01:13:57,143 --> 01:13:58,932 and we just all want to be rock stars. 1730 01:13:58,934 --> 01:14:01,300 I just will forever have that mental image 1731 01:14:01,302 --> 01:14:05,783 of Joan on her BMX bike with camo cutoff shorts 1732 01:14:05,976 --> 01:14:08,758 and big black sunglasses just riding around 1733 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,548 hanging out with everyone. 1734 01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:12,695 CARIANNE: You could just see she was having fun, 1735 01:14:12,918 --> 01:14:16,597 and she was reminded of what it was in the beginning. 1736 01:14:16,599 --> 01:14:18,232 ♪ It ain't mine ♪ 1737 01:14:18,423 --> 01:14:20,214 ♪ It ain't yours ♪ 1738 01:14:20,216 --> 01:14:22,104 ♪ But I'm here ♪ 1739 01:14:22,358 --> 01:14:24,117 ♪ I ain't going anywhere ♪ 1740 01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:25,686 ♪ It ain't his ♪ 1741 01:14:25,688 --> 01:14:27,224 ♪ It ain't hers ♪ 1742 01:14:27,704 --> 01:14:29,495 ♪ It's for all ♪ 1743 01:14:29,751 --> 01:14:32,117 ♪ Is that something We can learn? ♪ 1744 01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:34,388 LAURA JANE: Your motivations in order to survive 1745 01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:36,853 doing something like that can't be, like, 1746 01:14:36,855 --> 01:14:38,581 fame and fortune. 1747 01:14:38,583 --> 01:14:40,660 You know, it has to be the overall package 1748 01:14:40,662 --> 01:14:44,436 of, like, I'm going to be good at every single element of this 1749 01:14:44,438 --> 01:14:46,516 or work at every single element of this. 1750 01:14:46,518 --> 01:14:49,079 Seeing that as a younger musician at the time, 1751 01:14:49,271 --> 01:14:51,287 you know, those are the people I want to learn from. 1752 01:14:52,152 --> 01:14:56,472 ♪ Gotta change this world ♪ 1753 01:14:56,695 --> 01:14:58,551 CARIANNE: From there, we found our voice. 1754 01:14:58,871 --> 01:15:01,333 We found our next chapter. 1755 01:15:01,335 --> 01:15:02,776 JOAN: She runs the company now. 1756 01:15:03,703 --> 01:15:08,949 I think that's just a beautiful cycle of life 1757 01:15:08,951 --> 01:15:10,356 when you see it right in front of you. 1758 01:15:10,358 --> 01:15:13,015 We wanted to be a place that said yes to people 1759 01:15:13,334 --> 01:15:16,212 and gave a platform for young bands 1760 01:15:16,214 --> 01:15:21,623 that didn't fit into any kind of typical major-label box. 1761 01:15:21,878 --> 01:15:23,671 ♪ ("FEMINAZI" BY FEA PLAYS) ♪ 1762 01:15:30,614 --> 01:15:33,048 FEA: There's a lot of bullshit going on right now 1763 01:15:33,271 --> 01:15:36,180 with a dum-dum in office, so we're musicians. 1764 01:15:36,182 --> 01:15:37,748 We have a platform, 1765 01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:39,256 people paying attention to our music and lyrics. 1766 01:15:39,671 --> 01:15:42,260 She always let us speak freely because she does so herself. 1767 01:15:42,262 --> 01:15:45,367 (SONG CONTINUES) 1768 01:15:52,598 --> 01:15:54,423 So in my final stay at the state, 1769 01:15:54,614 --> 01:15:56,436 I was giving advice 1770 01:15:56,438 --> 01:15:58,004 to the new governor 1771 01:15:58,006 --> 01:15:59,989 that I've taken from someone who I admire, 1772 01:15:59,991 --> 01:16:01,429 and they all know that I love Joan Jett, 1773 01:16:01,431 --> 01:16:03,702 and so I just gave one of her quotes 1774 01:16:03,704 --> 01:16:06,036 where she said, you know, "Be yourself. 1775 01:16:06,038 --> 01:16:07,479 That's the way it's supposed to be." 1776 01:16:08,631 --> 01:16:10,263 SHEPARD FAIREY: A lot of musicians, entertainers, 1777 01:16:10,486 --> 01:16:13,301 they develop a degree of success and notoriety 1778 01:16:13,303 --> 01:16:14,709 from their work, and frequently, 1779 01:16:14,711 --> 01:16:17,620 they're less inclined to take a stand 1780 01:16:17,622 --> 01:16:20,055 because that might alienate a segment of their audience. 1781 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,936 Joan, on the other hand, is very outspoken. 1782 01:16:23,223 --> 01:16:27,191 When I came out in 2012 as transgender, um, 1783 01:16:27,383 --> 01:16:30,996 Joan was one of the first people to contact me to just say, like, 1784 01:16:30,998 --> 01:16:32,917 "Hey, you know, if you need a friend 1785 01:16:32,919 --> 01:16:34,900 or someone to talk to, I'm here." 1786 01:16:34,902 --> 01:16:37,876 ♪ Well, now, Don't get him wrong ♪ 1787 01:16:37,878 --> 01:16:42,293 ♪ And don't get him mad, He might be a father... ♪ 1788 01:16:42,295 --> 01:16:44,885 LAURA JANE: And it really... it meant a lot to me, you know, 1789 01:16:44,887 --> 01:16:47,509 that there were few people that I felt like I could relate to 1790 01:16:47,511 --> 01:16:50,805 at that time and few people that, you know, I felt like 1791 01:16:50,807 --> 01:16:52,852 I had any kind of shared experiences with, 1792 01:16:52,854 --> 01:16:54,548 not just, like, being in a band 1793 01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:56,503 but when you're talking about gender fluidity. 1794 01:16:56,759 --> 01:16:58,935 ALL: ♪ Androgynous ♪ 1795 01:17:00,630 --> 01:17:04,340 ♪ Closer than you know, Love each other so ♪ 1796 01:17:04,342 --> 01:17:07,028 MICHAEL: I know she championed for women's causes 1797 01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:09,268 and LGBTQ causes, and that's all great, 1798 01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:11,541 but I don't think she's mushy about it. 1799 01:17:11,543 --> 01:17:13,624 ALL: ♪ See no damage ♪ 1800 01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:15,094 She's straightforward about it. 1801 01:17:15,096 --> 01:17:16,662 This is the way it should be, 1802 01:17:16,664 --> 01:17:17,880 and fuck you... if you don't see it that way. 1803 01:17:18,231 --> 01:17:22,069 ALL: ♪ Kewpie dolls And urine stalls ♪ 1804 01:17:22,071 --> 01:17:27,351 ♪ Will be laughed at the way You're laughed at now ♪ 1805 01:17:27,576 --> 01:17:30,740 I wish that more people who were in a position 1806 01:17:30,742 --> 01:17:34,933 to use their voice beyond just the art 1807 01:17:34,935 --> 01:17:37,460 that they create, you know, would do that. 1808 01:17:37,462 --> 01:17:39,189 GENE BAUR: The way we interact with animals 1809 01:17:39,191 --> 01:17:40,821 says a lot about who we are. 1810 01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:44,980 When we treat them with cruelty, it says something. 1811 01:17:44,982 --> 01:17:46,485 When we treat them with kindness, 1812 01:17:46,487 --> 01:17:48,246 it says something very different. 1813 01:17:48,248 --> 01:17:50,292 JOAN: The way our culture thinks about animals 1814 01:17:50,294 --> 01:17:52,789 or doesn't think about them and their lives 1815 01:17:52,791 --> 01:17:56,597 and how they think and that they feel pain and that they scream. 1816 01:17:56,599 --> 01:17:58,357 JOAN: (ON PHONE) Chickens recognize each other 1817 01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:00,500 by their faces, just like we do. 1818 01:18:00,502 --> 01:18:02,647 INTERVIEWER: What do you want Norway to do? 1819 01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:06,104 Stop supporting the seal slaughter in Canada. 1820 01:18:06,487 --> 01:18:09,973 Joan has always shown up. She speaks out for animals. 1821 01:18:09,975 --> 01:18:12,950 She speaks out for people who don't have enough of a voice. 1822 01:18:12,952 --> 01:18:14,584 Most people don't think about it. 1823 01:18:14,775 --> 01:18:16,438 MICHELLE CHO: Animal rights is human rights. 1824 01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:17,656 You know, humans are animals. 1825 01:18:18,103 --> 01:18:21,240 We all have the capacity to feel pain, 1826 01:18:21,494 --> 01:18:24,277 to feel fear, to suffer. 1827 01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:26,229 JOAN: And I'm not trying to demonize people 1828 01:18:26,231 --> 01:18:29,141 that do eat meat, and I try not to preach to them, 1829 01:18:29,143 --> 01:18:31,800 but I do talk to people about it if they're curious. 1830 01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,669 What have you been writing? What are you doing? 1831 01:18:35,671 --> 01:18:37,461 Where you been? How you doing? 1832 01:18:37,463 --> 01:18:39,416 Well, between watching The View... 1833 01:18:39,671 --> 01:18:41,716 - 'Cause I watch it... - (AUDIENCE CHEERS) 1834 01:18:41,718 --> 01:18:44,277 Yeah. I watch every day. I did a movie. 1835 01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,932 I executive produced a film about my first band 1836 01:18:46,934 --> 01:18:49,268 called The Runaways that had Kristen Stewart, 1837 01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:51,188 Dakota Fanning in it, thank you. 1838 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:54,261 ♪ Blonde bombshell Better wear it well ♪ 1839 01:18:54,263 --> 01:18:57,013 ♪ Your mama says You're going straight to hell ♪ 1840 01:18:57,015 --> 01:18:58,488 KRISTEN STEWART: In a rehearsal, before 1841 01:18:58,679 --> 01:19:00,600 we actually shot "Cherry Bomb," 1842 01:19:00,791 --> 01:19:02,677 I was, like... couldn't commit to it, 1843 01:19:02,679 --> 01:19:04,245 just felt like I was traipsing on something. 1844 01:19:04,247 --> 01:19:05,591 I'm not good at rehearsal. 1845 01:19:06,007 --> 01:19:07,636 So she was like, "What are you doing? Come on. 1846 01:19:07,638 --> 01:19:09,940 You know this. You got this." I was like, "I know, I know. 1847 01:19:09,942 --> 01:19:11,415 I know, I know. I do got it. Don't worry." 1848 01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:13,972 And she was like, "Pussy to the fuckin' wood." 1849 01:19:13,974 --> 01:19:15,829 And I was like, "All right." It's funny, 1850 01:19:15,831 --> 01:19:17,236 'cause, like, rock 'n' roll is supposed to be messy 1851 01:19:17,238 --> 01:19:18,965 and fuck it, nothing matters, 1852 01:19:18,967 --> 01:19:20,696 but it's truly the opposite of that for her. 1853 01:19:20,919 --> 01:19:23,704 She has, like, a diligent almost, like, 1854 01:19:23,895 --> 01:19:26,776 compulsive, like, dedication to it. 1855 01:19:27,222 --> 01:19:28,664 And then was just like, "Kristen... 1856 01:19:30,742 --> 01:19:31,927 pussy to the wood." 1857 01:19:32,311 --> 01:19:33,784 ♪ My brain began to fry ♪ 1858 01:19:34,071 --> 01:19:35,285 I think the most surprising thing 1859 01:19:35,287 --> 01:19:36,981 is just how emotional she is, 1860 01:19:36,983 --> 01:19:38,389 and I guess in retrospect it makes total sense. 1861 01:19:38,391 --> 01:19:40,661 You look at the music, and it definitely has 1862 01:19:40,663 --> 01:19:43,704 this kind of precious, gritty, 1863 01:19:44,759 --> 01:19:48,820 girly, feminine snarl that could only come 1864 01:19:48,822 --> 01:19:50,549 from somewhere that's a little self-protective. 1865 01:19:50,551 --> 01:19:52,629 So here is a lady who I can't believe 1866 01:19:52,631 --> 01:19:55,220 is not in The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame 1867 01:19:55,222 --> 01:19:56,248 who should be. 1868 01:19:56,887 --> 01:19:59,029 Ladies and gentlemen, Joan Jett. 1869 01:19:59,031 --> 01:20:02,228 (CROWD CHEERING) 1870 01:20:02,230 --> 01:20:05,014 (PLAYING "SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT" BY NIRVANA) 1871 01:20:12,854 --> 01:20:15,191 DAVE GROHL: We all have our fucking heroes, you know? 1872 01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:19,864 And we made friends 1873 01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:23,349 with one of our fucking greatest rock-'n'-roll heroes. 1874 01:20:23,351 --> 01:20:26,101 She made Pat want to fucking start a band, 1875 01:20:26,103 --> 01:20:29,077 made it okay to be fucking dirty and cool 1876 01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:32,599 and play rock 'n' roll like a real rock-'n'-roller. 1877 01:20:33,014 --> 01:20:36,949 ♪ I'm worse At what I do best ♪ 1878 01:20:36,951 --> 01:20:40,503 ♪ And for this gift I feel blessed ♪ 1879 01:20:40,759 --> 01:20:44,981 ♪ Our little group Has always been ♪ 1880 01:20:44,983 --> 01:20:48,501 ♪ And always will Until the end ♪ 1881 01:20:48,503 --> 01:20:52,151 ♪ Hello, hello, hello How low ♪ 1882 01:20:52,567 --> 01:20:55,928 ♪ Hello, hello hello How low ♪ 1883 01:20:56,182 --> 01:21:00,340 ♪ Hello, hello, hello How low ♪ 1884 01:21:00,342 --> 01:21:01,431 ♪ Hello ♪ 1885 01:21:02,743 --> 01:21:06,516 ♪ With the lights out, It's less dangerous ♪ 1886 01:21:06,518 --> 01:21:10,356 ♪ Here we are now, Entertain us ♪ 1887 01:21:10,358 --> 01:21:14,103 ♪ I feel stupid And contagious ♪ 1888 01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:18,197 ♪ Here we are now, Entertain us ♪ 1889 01:21:18,199 --> 01:21:22,036 ♪ A mulatto, an albino ♪ 1890 01:21:22,038 --> 01:21:25,876 ♪ A mosquito, my libido ♪ 1891 01:21:25,878 --> 01:21:28,692 Hey, just 'cause you wore a cape doesn't mean I gotta. 1892 01:21:28,694 --> 01:21:31,252 You know what? I had a cape. 1893 01:21:31,254 --> 01:21:33,589 And I left it at home because you were wearing a fucking cape, 1894 01:21:33,591 --> 01:21:35,704 and now you're not gonna wear the cape? 1895 01:21:36,278 --> 01:21:37,942 - Can I wear her cape? - Yes. 1896 01:21:38,902 --> 01:21:39,958 MAN: Try it on. 1897 01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:44,567 JOAN: Depending on what you think is a normal, 1898 01:21:44,758 --> 01:21:46,264 regular life, 1899 01:21:46,487 --> 01:21:47,988 being in a band, you know, 1900 01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:50,228 you're pretty much all consumed with it, yeah. 1901 01:21:50,230 --> 01:21:52,788 Is that healthy? I don't know. 1902 01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:55,640 I'm not a doctor. Probably not super. 1903 01:21:56,374 --> 01:21:59,319 But, you know, it's what I enjoy. 1904 01:22:00,311 --> 01:22:02,996 I think it makes it sort of difficult 1905 01:22:02,998 --> 01:22:04,565 to have relationships. 1906 01:22:04,567 --> 01:22:06,104 I would think that would probably be... 1907 01:22:06,615 --> 01:22:10,296 I guess if you call it a sacrifice, that would be it. 1908 01:22:10,678 --> 01:22:14,455 To say music is my mate would be pretty fair statement. 1909 01:22:14,806 --> 01:22:16,407 And I get a lot from it. 1910 01:22:18,582 --> 01:22:21,111 But it's not... it's not a person. 1911 01:22:22,454 --> 01:22:24,215 And I think I know the difference. 1912 01:22:24,438 --> 01:22:27,031 I'm gonna start off this induction 1913 01:22:27,383 --> 01:22:31,095 with the first time I wanted to have sex with Joan Jett. 1914 01:22:31,511 --> 01:22:34,388 (AUDIENCE CHEERS) 1915 01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:36,821 And we were doing Oprah together, 1916 01:22:36,823 --> 01:22:39,222 and I go up to Joan's hotel room, 1917 01:22:39,638 --> 01:22:42,581 and Joan opens the door, and I come in, 1918 01:22:42,583 --> 01:22:44,824 and Kenny Laguna is laying in bed. 1919 01:22:45,046 --> 01:22:47,031 And I don't know what the fuck is going on. 1920 01:22:47,254 --> 01:22:49,751 JOAN: Oh, looks beautiful. You look beautiful. 1921 01:22:50,230 --> 01:22:51,736 MAN: That's it. You're wearing the cape. 1922 01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:53,463 Screamin' Jay Hawkins. 1923 01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,463 I know there isn't one other person on this planet 1924 01:22:57,751 --> 01:23:00,948 that's been an inspiration to me like you have, and... 1925 01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:02,743 Is being famous important to you? 1926 01:23:03,190 --> 01:23:04,660 I want a certain sort of fame. 1927 01:23:04,662 --> 01:23:06,453 Like when they write the ultimate 1928 01:23:06,455 --> 01:23:09,557 rock 'n' roll history book, I want my name to be there, 1929 01:23:09,559 --> 01:23:11,253 you know, standing for something, 1930 01:23:11,255 --> 01:23:13,624 like being one of the first females to really, 1931 01:23:14,134 --> 01:23:15,732 you know, play rock 'n' roll 1932 01:23:15,734 --> 01:23:17,111 and have that sort of rock-'n'-roll spirit. 1933 01:23:17,591 --> 01:23:19,511 - (CROWD CHEERING) - Hi! 1934 01:23:22,102 --> 01:23:23,828 KATHLEEN: I think people don't think of her like, 1935 01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:25,588 "Oh, you know, feminist", 1936 01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:27,700 like, immediately, but the visceral experience 1937 01:23:27,702 --> 01:23:30,676 of Joan is a feminist experience for me. 1938 01:23:30,678 --> 01:23:35,095 Watching the way she holds herself like a normal person, 1939 01:23:35,351 --> 01:23:37,268 not like someone who is self-conscious 1940 01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:39,251 and trying to be a good girl. 1941 01:23:39,253 --> 01:23:43,220 Here's somebody who was born to do this and is doing it. 1942 01:23:43,222 --> 01:23:45,716 There's just those rare times where you feel like 1943 01:23:45,718 --> 01:23:47,829 someone was put on the planet to show you 1944 01:23:47,831 --> 01:23:50,231 what rock 'n' roll music is. 1945 01:23:50,551 --> 01:23:52,180 It could be Bowie. It could be Kurt Cobain. 1946 01:23:52,182 --> 01:23:53,398 It's definitely Joan Jett. 1947 01:23:53,622 --> 01:23:56,056 (CHEERING CONTINUES) 1948 01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:58,421 I was really gonna try not to cry and be tough, 1949 01:23:58,423 --> 01:24:00,500 but that's a little overwhelming there. 1950 01:24:00,502 --> 01:24:01,335 Thank you very much. 1951 01:24:01,910 --> 01:24:04,535 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 1952 01:24:06,838 --> 01:24:10,101 First off, I really want to acknowledge my parents, 1953 01:24:10,103 --> 01:24:13,877 Jim and Dottie, who can only be with us in spirit, 1954 01:24:13,879 --> 01:24:15,160 which I know they are. 1955 01:24:15,862 --> 01:24:18,100 Hey, Mom and Dad, did you ever think 1956 01:24:18,102 --> 01:24:20,373 that Christmas guitar would lead to this? 1957 01:24:20,375 --> 01:24:22,039 (LAUGHTER) 1958 01:24:22,422 --> 01:24:24,022 I want to be a release. 1959 01:24:24,471 --> 01:24:27,320 I want to be a hard release, a good release, 1960 01:24:28,118 --> 01:24:29,495 a primal release. 1961 01:24:29,879 --> 01:24:32,563 You do a primal scream, but it's not at someone 1962 01:24:32,565 --> 01:24:35,957 or breaking something, it's, "Aah!" just into the air 1963 01:24:35,959 --> 01:24:38,422 about appreciation being alive, you know? 1964 01:24:38,743 --> 01:24:41,080 KENNY: This is a family that's been together 1965 01:24:41,653 --> 01:24:46,868 since 1979 and never wavered from each other. 1966 01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:48,021 JOAN: It's all of us. 1967 01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:51,764 We all get support and love and strength from each other 1968 01:24:51,766 --> 01:24:55,159 and feel like we can go to each other when we need to. 1969 01:24:55,799 --> 01:24:57,559 And I think that's really important, 1970 01:24:57,751 --> 01:25:00,628 to be able to feel vulnerable to the people you work with 1971 01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:03,223 and be able to feel like they've got your back. 1972 01:25:03,670 --> 01:25:07,028 If you want to get really deep, there are no two things. 1973 01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:08,182 We're all one. 1974 01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:10,744 WOMAN: I want to tell you a story about Joan 1975 01:25:11,221 --> 01:25:12,343 being a wonderful woman. 1976 01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,053 I want to tell you a story about how people say 1977 01:25:16,055 --> 01:25:18,643 that she opened the door for women in rock. 1978 01:25:18,645 --> 01:25:20,631 And I don't think she opened the door. 1979 01:25:21,462 --> 01:25:22,932 I think she took out a sledgehammer, 1980 01:25:22,934 --> 01:25:25,176 and she knocked down the whole damn wall. 1981 01:25:25,495 --> 01:25:28,502 (CROWD CHEERING) 1982 01:25:34,453 --> 01:25:37,398 (A CAPELLA) ♪ I don't give A damn 'bout my reputation ♪ 1983 01:25:38,935 --> 01:25:41,656 ♪ You're living in the past It's a new generation ♪ 1984 01:25:42,998 --> 01:25:45,620 ♪ And a girl can do What she wants to do ♪ 1985 01:25:45,622 --> 01:25:47,543 ♪ And that's What I'm gonna do ♪ 1986 01:25:47,734 --> 01:25:50,708 ♪ And I don't give a damn 'Bout my bad reputation ♪ 1987 01:25:50,710 --> 01:25:53,718 ♪ ("FRESH START" BY JOAN JETT AND THE BLACKHEARTS PLAYS) ♪ 1988 01:25:55,573 --> 01:25:57,111 Ow! 1989 01:25:59,318 --> 01:26:01,846 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 1990 01:26:04,630 --> 01:26:07,061 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 1991 01:26:07,063 --> 01:26:09,752 ♪ Sometimes I feel like I've been here before ♪ 1992 01:26:09,942 --> 01:26:12,502 ♪ It's like the past knocking On my door ♪ 1993 01:26:12,694 --> 01:26:15,063 ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm standing still ♪ 1994 01:26:15,285 --> 01:26:18,166 ♪ Or better yet I'm runnin' up a hill, hey ♪ 1995 01:26:23,351 --> 01:26:25,912 ♪ Sometimes I feel like I need a crutch ♪ 1996 01:26:26,102 --> 01:26:28,887 ♪ Sometimes I feel like It's all too much ♪ 1997 01:26:29,078 --> 01:26:31,732 ♪ Sometimes I wonder What are we in for ♪ 1998 01:26:31,734 --> 01:26:34,035 ♪ And if I wanna do it Anymore ♪ 1999 01:26:34,037 --> 01:26:36,821 ♪ I need a fresh start, Let's go back to the top ♪ 2000 01:26:36,823 --> 01:26:39,512 ♪ Rewind the tape And reset the clock ♪ 2001 01:26:39,702 --> 01:26:43,574 ♪ This time There's no turning back ♪ 2002 01:26:44,630 --> 01:26:46,263 ♪ Hey! ♪ 2003 01:26:48,438 --> 01:26:51,190 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 2004 01:26:54,006 --> 01:26:56,374 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 2005 01:26:56,630 --> 01:26:59,444 ♪ So you say You're not satisfied ♪ 2006 01:26:59,446 --> 01:27:01,908 ♪ And you want A bigger piece of pie ♪ 2007 01:27:01,910 --> 01:27:04,278 ♪ Take my advice, Don't hesitate ♪ 2008 01:27:04,631 --> 01:27:07,061 ♪ Before you know it, It'll be too late ♪ 2009 01:27:07,063 --> 01:27:10,132 ♪ To make a fresh start And go back to the top ♪ 2010 01:27:10,134 --> 01:27:12,374 ♪ Rewind the tape And reset the clock ♪ 2011 01:27:12,886 --> 01:27:16,727 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2012 01:27:17,751 --> 01:27:20,823 ♪ That's right, a fresh start And go back to the top ♪ 2013 01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:23,542 ♪ Rewind the tape And reset the clock ♪ 2014 01:27:23,735 --> 01:27:27,735 ♪ And this time There's no turning back ♪ 2015 01:27:28,630 --> 01:27:29,654 ♪ All right ♪ 2016 01:27:32,502 --> 01:27:35,192 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 2017 01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:40,566 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, ow ♪ 2018 01:28:02,743 --> 01:28:05,588 ♪ Sometimes I feel like I've been here before ♪ 2019 01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:07,832 ♪ Is that the past knocking On my door? ♪ 2020 01:28:08,022 --> 01:28:10,712 ♪ Sometimes I feel like I'm standing still ♪ 2021 01:28:10,901 --> 01:28:13,463 ♪ Or better yet, I'm running up a hill ♪ 2022 01:28:13,781 --> 01:28:16,468 ♪ Don't wanna hear That you're feeling old ♪ 2023 01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:19,572 ♪ Times are tough, You better search your soul ♪ 2024 01:28:19,574 --> 01:28:22,068 ♪ There's some time For one more dance ♪ 2025 01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:24,213 ♪ We may never Get another chance ♪ 2026 01:28:24,215 --> 01:28:27,189 ♪ To make a fresh start And go back to the top ♪ 2027 01:28:27,191 --> 01:28:30,036 ♪ Rewind the tape And reset the clock ♪ 2028 01:28:30,038 --> 01:28:33,623 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2029 01:28:34,871 --> 01:28:37,780 ♪ That's right, a fresh start, And go back to the top ♪ 2030 01:28:37,782 --> 01:28:40,788 ♪ Rewind the tape And reset the clock ♪ 2031 01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:45,078 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2032 01:28:46,453 --> 01:28:50,583 ♪ This time There's no turning back ♪ 2033 01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:56,343 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2034 01:28:57,462 --> 01:29:01,592 ♪ This time There's no turning back ♪ 2035 01:29:02,742 --> 01:29:07,030 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2036 01:29:08,215 --> 01:29:12,664 ♪ This time There's no turning back ♪ 2037 01:29:13,814 --> 01:29:17,142 ♪ This time We're not gonna stop ♪ 2038 01:29:17,144 --> 01:29:22,144 Kunjungi www.Starbet99.com Agen Judi Online Aman dan Terpercaya