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Now is no longer the industrial era.

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Now we are in the technological era.

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Fascists.
They have resources.

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But we have imagination.

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We make tools for the sake of
restore our sovereignty.

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When we condemn the system,
it takes off the grip ...

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... on the power tool
used against us.

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Fascists always use stories ...

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"We are white knights in steel
which protects against threats. "

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"We came here to get rid of it
darkness by using holiness. "

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That's a fake story ...

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... because there is corruption in the palace.

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The real power is with us.

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We are darkness.

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<font color = "# 00ffff"> DEEP WEB </ font>

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Courts that have the potential to create
very broad implications ...

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... just started in New York City.

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The judge will decide on a case that can
impact on internet security.

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Thousands of drugs are sold inside
black website called "Silk Road."

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The government goes beyond their limits
to get the information they have.

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This won't just disappear.

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This will be the biggest drop
of what already exists.

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On January 13, 2015 ...

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... criminal court starts up
unexpected Silk Road leader, ...

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... black market in the internet area
called "Deep Web."

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Deep Web is very broad ...

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... thousands of times wider than
visible internet area ...

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... called the "Web Surface."

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But the Deep Web is not a place.

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Deep Web is just a collection
Online content is not recorded.

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Banking data,
administration code for the government, ...

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... companies and universities.

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That's like looking to
the bottom of the Internet.

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Over time, Deep Web is inhabited
by people with various types ...

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... who wants to use
this area for privacy.

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Hidden area of
The Deep Web is called "Dark Net" ...

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... and can be accessed with
software service called "Tor" ...

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... which was originally used by the US military.
Now becoming open source and publicly funded.

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When law enforcement and media
assume Tor and Dark Net ...

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... as an evil tool
for criminals, ...

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... it's important to know that
mostly used for good ...

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... by government agencies, journalists,
and activists throughout the world.

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In the summer of 2011 ...

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... a Silk Road ad
appears on Dark Net.

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Silk Road is a place of exchange
covered in various types of goods ...

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... but most are drugs.

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There is always an online drug market ...

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... but nothing is as sophisticated
and as easy as Silk Road.

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The closure did not last long.

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Hundreds of thousands of users use
website that is impossible to track ...

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... who sells drugs, fake documents,
and even contract killers.

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The website is called Silk Road.

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Just look at 13,000 items
offered the site.

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Ultra pure cocaine, genuine and pure LSD, ...

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... high level MDMA,
or commonly called "Molly."

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All with express delivery and free.

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This produces
around 1.2 billion dollars ...

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... with 960 thousand users,
both buyers and sellers ...

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... in the US and dozens of other countries.

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YouTube videos like this
with 15,000 viewers ...

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... tell everyone how to download
untraceable technology called Tor ...

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... that draws data from
thousands of computers all over the world ...

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... to create this open market.

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This hidden internet is supported
by a virtual currency called "Bitcoin."

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Bitcoin offers anonymous transactions ...

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... which is impossible to track by the police.

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Heroin, opium, marijuana, ecstasy,
psychedelic, stimulant ...

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... opioid. And they are there.

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Oxycodone, everyone.

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Kodein, putaw.
Just say, they have everything.

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They are all registered.
Unbelieveable.

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The success of Silk Road was caused
by innovative combinations ...

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... between Tor and Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin is technology
which uses...

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... cryptographic code for
creating digital currency.

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The sender transmits their Bitcoin code
through the main cash named "Blockchain" ...

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... sent to the recipient.

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Bitcoin is not completely anonymous.

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But if you are careful, this facilitates
online purchases without opening an identity.

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Bitcoin is
ideal currency for Silk Road ...

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... because it frees anonymity ...

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... as well as outside the bank's control
and the government.

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I only knew Silk Road when
Adrian Chen on Gawker ...

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... open the profile.

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I think with the story
who documented Silk Road ...

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... created Silk Road itself.
It directs people to the site.

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I guess that's the cause
increased user on Silk Road.

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So, since then,
i feel lost story ...

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... and I want a big story
next about Silk Road.

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But I'm also amazed
with a community that ...

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... created there.

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eBay does not have
user community like that.

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This is like a movement
people who are organized.

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This is an interesting thing to investigate.

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This is a special shop
for illegal drugs ...

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... which reflects
bravest effort ...

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... to peddle
online medicine.

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This is bolder than
everything that ever existed.

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They have a target
behind them.

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And they have
taunting law enforcement ...

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... and others with
do this openly.

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And that's part of this market.

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It's not about selling drugs,
but they tried to convey ...

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... some kind of political statement.

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"This should not be prohibited.
We are free to do anything ... "

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"... and we have technology
to do it. "

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News about Silk Road
almost all rumored ...

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... by law enforcement
and government officials ...

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... with a little information by people
which is behind the market itself.

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Become an architect and vendor
from Silk Road sought ...

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... use the encryption key for
verify their identity and anonymity.

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This is their first time
speak to the public.

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Silk Road Forum is a community
best I've seen.

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There are many threads that are
discuss politics and philosophy.

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Of course there are illegal things that happen ...

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... but this is the community with
broad-minded people.

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Silk Road seemed to have no leader.

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There are only regular posts from the system admin ...

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... but it seems the service is run
by the community itself.

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Then on February 5, 2012 ...

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... after the first year
business success ...

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... the Silk Road admin made an announcement ...

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"I need an identity
regardless of this site ... "

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"... and company
which only I live. "

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"I need a name.
Drum beat, please ... "

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"My new name is Pirate Roberts Dread."

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- You are the Pirate Roberts Dread.
- Certain.

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Pirate Roberts Dread
taken from mythical characters ...

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... of <i> The Princess Bride's </ i> novels and films
and the election is not careless.

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In the original story made
William Goldman, Dread Pirate Roberts ...

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... is an inherited pseudonym
from the users and continue forever.

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The man who inherited me is not
Original Pirate Roberts Dread.

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The original Roberts has retired 15 years
then I became Roberts.

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I will retire and
submit names to other people.

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This Pirate Roberts Dread or DPR ...

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... will be the spearhead
Silk Road forum ...

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... and considered as
maker and creator of the site.

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For me Dread Pirate Roberts ...

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... is the most interesting figure in the world.

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On the Silk Road forum,
he is the one who posts often ...

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... a love letter to the user
and the libertarian philosophy thread.

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And he even has
book club Dread Pirate Roberts ...

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... where he hosted
discussion of Austrian economics ...

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... and the philosophy of free trade.

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At the time,
nobody knows him.

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He never spoke to the press.

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I approached him at
in 2012 on the Silk Road forum ...

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... start persuading him to talk ...

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... approached him and continued to annoy him.

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Real trigger,
I guess what makes him talk ...

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... is a website
rival named "Atlantis."

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Their marketing is more aggressive
than Silk Road.

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They spread videos on YouTube ...

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... advertises Atlantis as
the latest and better drug sites.

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So I went back to Dread Pirate Roberts ...

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... and say,
"I will work on this story."

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"The story of Atlantis or your story."

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I think he is aware.

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He's a conscious smart businessman
have to talk at that time.

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He has a kind of political message
which he wants to convey ...

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... and I can see
from posts in the forum.

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So I played a little
and I said ...

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"I can be an ark for you to
convey what the Silk Road means. "

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And I think that's interesting for him.

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After eight months,
finally he agreed to the interview.

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Of course he didn't say
anything about him ...

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... where he lives,
his age, his identity ...

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... all that can
identified remotely.

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"I didn't start Silk Road.
My predecessor started it. "

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"The idea is to
integrating Bitcoin and Tor ... "

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"... to create an anonymous market.
Everything is available. "

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"He just combined it."

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"The only thing I admit is
I'm not the first Silk Road admin. "

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He is very closed ...

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... about the interior of Silk Road and ...

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... his identity.

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He is hunted by every
law enforcement agencies.

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"Silk Road Management
is a collaborative effort. "

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"It's not only me who makes sure
Silk Road runs smoothly. "

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"Most importantly, the best idea
come from the community itself. "

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But he said interesting things about
how he sees himself and ...

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... and how Silk Road works.

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"We are prohibited from selling goods with intent
endanger innocent people ... "

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"... or bring
innocent people to market. "

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"For example, everything stolen is prohibited."

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"Counterfeit money and coupons
to cheat people. "

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"Forbidden murderers
even child pornography. "

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"Nothing is sold on Silk Road
violate the rule. "

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This is more than just legalizing
marijuana and heroin.

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He wants to see a new relationship
between individuals and government ...

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... where is the government
usually crippling ...

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... what they cannot control.

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"In essence, Silk Road is the way to
mediate between countries. "

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"The state tries to control every aspect
our live. Not just drug use. "

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"They did that. There was a chance
to live the life you want ... "

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"... regardless of their efforts."

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I shouldn't say this,
but I like Dread Pirate Roberts ...

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... which I interviewed. I think he ...

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... very interesting person
with a reasonable philosophy.

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I think he's some kind of figure
middle-aged wise.

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But not everyone is on Silk Road
convinced of libertarian philosophy.

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To stop the Narcotics War is
agenda that unites the community.

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The reason the DPR made the website ...

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... and start the drug market
by taking risks ...

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... because he wants to reduce violence ...

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... in drug trafficking.
Because that will happen.

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And that reason will happen
because there is a Narcotics War.

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Violence is not only happening
between sellers and buyers.

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Violence is on the police ...

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... and federal agents
demand this war.

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And not to mention violence
that happened abroad.

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We are the abusers in this world
in terms of drugs.

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More than 50 percent of the citizens of this country
say to DEA ...

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"We don't want you
demand this war again. "

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They must eliminate drugs.

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Narcotics War is about
fear, uncertainty and doubt.

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I can see Silk Road
not a cyber crime scheme.

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This is only someone who sees himself
as the leader of a movement.

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"One thing I learned when playing
Pirate Roberts Dread ... "

221
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"... is your act of making a part
people are happy and others are angry. "

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"But we can't keep quiet.
We have an important message. "

223
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"And it's time for the world to hear it."

224
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"What we do is not only
make drugs and sell them. "

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"It's about defending our rights as
human and refuse to give up ... "

226
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"... when we didn't make a mistake."

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"Silk Road is a vehicle
for that message. "

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"The others are just additions."

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Silk Road is running because
Dread Pirate Roberts is trusted.

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He could have closed Silk Road and
run away from everyone's Bitcoin.

231
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We have seen that
on several Dark Web sites.

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But he didn't do it. And I guess
people believe he won't do ...

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... because they feel that
he really believes in this kind of radical.

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Libertarian, Crypto-Anarchic,
that philosophy ...

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... was adopted by Cypherpunk in the 1990s.

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25 years ago in the Bay Area,
a group of mathematicians ...

237
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... Crypto-Anarchist and mutual hackers
meet in each other's homes.

238
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Until this group was known
with the name "Cypherpunks."

239
00: 15: 13,005 --> 00: 15: 15,565
They are not motivated by social conditions ...

240
00: 15: 15,725 --> 00: 15: 19,065
... but worried about
difficult math, cryptographic technology, ...

241
00: 15: 19,165 --> 00: 15: 23,645
... the philosophy of anonymity,
individual freedom, and privacy.

242
00: 15: 23,765 --> 00: 15: 27,065
The government has a policy
to access all texts ...

243
00: 15: 27,165 --> 00: 15: 29,145
... means everything you say,
they want to access it.

244
00: 15: 29,245 --> 00: 15: 31,425
If it's stored on your hard drive,
they want to access it.

245
00: 15: 31,525 --> 00: 15: 33,565
If it's stored in a network cable,
they want to access it.

246
00: 15: 33,685 --> 00: 15: 37,165
If you cover it,
they want to know who you are.

247
00: 15: 37,645 --> 00: 15: 40,325
Cypherpunks plays a role in the movement ...

248
00: 15: 40,445 --> 00: 15: 43,145
... against online privacy and anonymity.

249
00: 15: 43,245 --> 00: 15: 47,305
And they pioneered the road
to the corner of the Internet.

250
00: 15: 47,405 --> 00: 15: 49,925
Maybe the high point
the success of Cypherpunks ...

251
00: 15: 50,045 --> 00: 15: 52,744
... is WikiLeaks which is
the idea of ​​Julian Assange ...

252
00: 15: 52,844 --> 00: 15: 56,024
... and Jacob Appelbaum about what
meaning to be a Cypherpunk.

253
00: 15: 56,124 --> 00: 15: 58,104
You can't trust the government ...

254
00: 15: 58,204 --> 00: 16: 00,904
... to carry out that policy
said that it was mandatory.

255
00: 16: 01,004 --> 00: 16: 04,444
So we have to provide
the underlying tool ...

256
00: 16: 04,564 --> 00: 16: 07,304
... a secret cryptographic code that is
can't be tapped by the government ...

257
00: 16: 07,404 --> 00: 16: 10,784
... even for everyone
who has that power.

258
00: 16: 10,884 --> 00: 16: 16,164
Even though the government tried,
if the password is strong ...

259
00: 16: 16,284 --> 00: 16: 19,004
... it won't work right away
penetrate your communication.

260
00: 16: 12,124 --> 00: 16: 21,544
The power of authority comes from violence.

261
00: 16: 21,644 --> 00: 16: 24,464
The way is by understanding cryptography,
without violence ...

262
00: 16: 24,564 --> 00: 16: 26,324
- ... will solve math problems.
- right.

263
00: 16: 26,444 --> 00: 16: 29,104
And this is the most important key.
Not that you won't be tortured.

264
00: 16: 29,204 --> 00: 16: 32,064
Not that they can't
tap your house or anything else.

265
00: 16: 32,164 --> 00: 16: 34,784
But if they find an encrypted message,
it doesn't matter if they have ...

266
00: 16: 34,884 --> 00: 16: 37,224
... the power of authority they have ...

267
00: 16: 37,324 --> 00: 16: 38,864
... they can't solve
that math problem.

268
00: 16: 38,964 --> 00: 16: 42,524
This movement is not for
destroy the law.

269
00: 16: 42,644 --> 00: 16: 46,464
This movement is not for
destroy the law.

270
00: 16: 46,564 --> 00: 16: 49,244
But for legal development.

271
00: 16: 49,364 --> 00: 16: 53,404
These are the people who want to create
encryption tool that can be used by everyone.

272
00: 16: 53,524 --> 00: 16: 54,904
Not only the upper class.

273
00: 16: 55,004 --> 00: 16: 58,084
They try to change
how the Internet works ...

274
00: 16: 58,204 --> 00: 17: 01,884
... to provide confidentiality,
anonymity, and privacy for everyone.

275
00: 17: 02,004 --> 00: 17: 05,284
This is more like a popular movement.

276
00: 17: 05,684 --> 00: 17: 10,244
There is a security and cryptographic room
for people ...

277
00: 17: 10,364 --> 00: 17: 14,364
... who wants to live where the government is
can't record their e-mail, ...

278
00: 17: 14,484 --> 00: 17: 18,484
... can't hear their phone,
can't see who they are.

279
00: 17: 18,604 --> 00: 17: 20,584
And they tried to build a tool.

280
00: 17: 20,684 --> 00: 17: 23,144
They try to build
protocol and service ...

281
00: 17: 23,244 --> 00: 17: 27,244
... which can facilitate anonymity
and the confidentiality of information exchange.

282
00: 17: 27,364 --> 00: 17: 31,164
This all comes down to
the desire to live freely.

283
00: 17: 31,284 --> 00: 17: 34,944
And that confession
overtake all technology ...

284
00: 17: 35,044 --> 00: 17: 37,984
... who discovered that life
not completely free ...

285
00: 17: 38,084 --> 00: 17: 41,464
... that privacy zone is
the core of human value.

286
00: 17: 41,564 --> 00: 17: 46,284
And for me technology
just an embodiment ...

287
00: 17: 46,524 --> 00: 17: 48,644
... from the basis of values
the human being.

288
00: 17: 48,764 --> 00: 17: 51,744
And I think people are
trying to build ...

289
00: 17: 51,844 --> 00: 17: 54,564
... currencies that are free from
government tracking and control ...

290
00: 17: 54,684 --> 00: 17: 57,464
... and the technology that gives you
closed conversation ...

291
00: 17: 57,564 --> 00: 18: 01,824
... and other things like that
make other people see ...

292
00: 18: 01,924 --> 00: 18: 06,904
... that technology can activate
and deactivate that space.

293
00: 18: 07,004 --> 00: 18: 09,844
There is more Cypherpunk now.

294
00: 18: 10,204 --> 00: 18: 14,464
They want to cripple abilities
government to enforce the law.

295
00: 18: 14,564 --> 00: 18: 20,104
They want the cryptography
make rules, not law enforcement.

296
00: 18: 20,204 --> 00: 18: 24,444
Cody Wilson is Crypto-Anarchist
who is known to develop a Liberator ...

297
00: 18: 24,564 --> 00: 18: 29,544
... downloaded 3D printed weapons
100,000 times in two days.

298
00: 18: 29,644 --> 00: 18: 32,584
When old people know that
weapons can be printed 3D ...

299
00: 18: 32,684 --> 00: 18: 36,684
... they can only say,
"It's great to live in a world that was once."

300
00: 18: 36,804 --> 00: 18: 40,803
We want to question the foundation,
get rid of the runway ...

301
00: 18: 40,923 --> 00: 18: 46,283
... about rules, morals,
existing ethics, politics.

302
00: 18: 47,003 --> 00: 18: 50,523
To see beyond good and evil.
And allow other things to happen.

303
00: 18: 50,923 --> 00: 18: 53,383
Here is the figure of the DPR
very interesting to me.

304
00: 18: 53,483 --> 00: 18: 56,423
Is he a liberal?
Is he a Misesian follower?

305
00: 18: 56,523 --> 00: 18: 58,503
He believes with
libertarian market principles ...

306
00: 18: 58,603 --> 00: 19: 01,503
... about humans against the state
and all the principles of freedom ...

307
00: 19: 01,603 --> 00:19: 04,543
... and truth or
is he someone else?

308
00: 19: 04,643 --> 00: 19: 08,023
The person who fits my expectations.

309
00: 19: 08,123 --> 00:19: 10,743
People who are just looking for a mechanism ...

310
00: 19: 10,843 --> 00: 19: 13,703
... to help see good and evil.

311
00: 19: 13,803 --> 00:19: 18,503
Is he enthusiastic about
what he pioneered.

312
00: 19: 18,603 --> 00: 19: 20,423
The door he opened.

313
00: 19: 20,523 --> 00: 19: 23,703
Of course there is a dark part of Dark Web.

314
00: 19: 23,803 --> 00: 19: 27,423
If we want to activate
the future of Crypto-Anarchic ...

315
00: 19: 27,523 --> 00: 19: 30,783
... everyone involved in it
must be aware that ...

316
00: 19: 30,883 --> 00: 19: 33,863
... they will activate
really bad thing ...

317
00: 19: 33,963 --> 00: 19: 38,523
... along with revolutionary information
the freedom they profess.

318
00: 19: 39,083 --> 00: 19: 42,583
In August 2012,
business is growing rapidly.

319
00: 19: 42,683 --> 00: 19: 47,323
Silk Road is a market
thriving, anonymous and unregulated.

320
00: 19: 47,443 --> 00: 19: 51,323
This is commonplace,
bring a big threat to the government ...

321
00: 19: 51,443 --> 00: 19: 53,483
... greater than drug trafficking.

322
00: 19: 53,603 --> 00: 19: 56,523
Although as a law enforcement officer,
I still don't know ...

323
00: 19: 56,643 --> 00: 20: 00,983
... where to buy cocaine
or heroin on the street.

324
00: 20: 01,083 --> 00: 20: 03,143
But I know how
look for it on the Internet.

325
00: 20: 03,243 --> 00: 20: 06,083
Only need to download software
and then you're there ...

326
00: 20: 06,203 --> 00: 20: 09,923
... and you buy service
or drugs easily.

327
00: 20: 10,723 --> 00:20: 14,463
Since when are teenagers obsessed with
daily mail delivery?

328
00: 20: 14,563 --> 00: 20: 17,983
Anxiety made Mrs. Fisher suspicious.

329
00: 20: 18,083 --> 00: 20: 22,823
So when the letter arrived, he took it
and find a cartoon DVD box ...

330
00: 20: 22,923 --> 00: 20: 27,363
... aimed at his son with
something more. One white crystal wrap.

331
00: 20: 27,483 --> 00: 20: 31,803
So he talked with his 14-year-old son
and their lives change.

332
00: 20: 32,123 --> 00: 20: 34,823
I don't think everyone cares
with law enforcement ...

333
00: 20: 34,923 --> 00: 20: 37,543
... until a member of the Schumer senate said,
"Gosh, we have to do something."

334
00: 20: 37,643 --> 00: 20: 40,323
Today I contact DEA
and the Department of Justice ...

335
00: 20: 40,443 --> 00: 20: 44,003
... to close this site
before other damage occurs.

336
00: 20: 44,123 --> 00: 20: 46,923
Because if you think
law apparatus at the federal level ...

337
00: 20: 47,043 --> 00: 20: 49,143
... have to start a case ...

338
00: 20: 49,243 --> 00: 20: 52,643
... I don't think this case will begin
if there is no political push ...

339
00: 20: 52,763 --> 00: 20: 55,643
... like a senate who said,
"We need to check this."

340
00: 20: 55,763 --> 00: 21: 00,263
The FBI closed the Internet site
the most sophisticated ...

341
00: 21: 00,363 --> 00: 21: 04,843
... in the business of selling hard drugs,
including heroin, cocaine, and LSD.

342
00: 21: 05,283 --> 00: 21: 08,703
Everyone who tries to enter
to the website find this announcement.

343
00: 21: 08,803 --> 00: 21: 10,363
"Closed by the FBI."

344
00: 21: 10,483 --> 00: 21: 13,223
This is the most sophisticated electronic site ...

345
00: 21: 13,323 --> 00: 21: 16,023
... and takes time
two years for federal agents.

346
00: 21: 16,123 --> 00: 21: 19,483
They managed to infiltrate the site,
but they made several purchases ...

347
00: 21: 19,603 --> 00: 21: 21,723
... using a secret identity.

348
00: 21: 21,843 --> 00: 21: 26,822
The mysterious Dread Pirate Roberts was arrested
in a place that is impossible ...

349
00: 21: 26,922 --> 00: 21: 30,242
... a library
local public in San Francisco.

350
00: 21: 30,362 --> 00: 21: 33,942
The FBI confiscated 3.6 million dollars ...

351
00: 21: 34,042 --> 00: 21: 38,402
... Bitcoin which is
biggest in five years.

352
00: 21: 51,722 --> 00: 21: 54,782
When the first criminal complaint
appeared in October ...

353
00: 21: 54,882 --> 00: 21: 58,082
... complaints describe men
29 years old named Ross Ulbricht.

354
00: 22: 00,322 --> 00: 22: 04,542
Not just running
black market billions of dollars ...

355
00: 22: 04,642 --> 00: 22: 07,542
... they accused him of it
drug trafficking and money laundering ...

356
00: 22: 07,642 --> 00: 22: 09,922
... and hacking demands ...

357
00: 22: 10,042 --> 00: 22: 13,882
... which is something that is
never on Silk Road.

358
00: 22: 14,522 --> 00: 22: 18,402
Then in this criminal complaint
also described ...

359
00: 22: 18,522 --> 00: 22: 20,822
... plans to pay for murder ...

360
00: 22: 20,922 --> 00: 22: 24,182
... towards informal potential and extortionists.

361
00: 22: 24,282 --> 00: 22: 26,522
Looks at least one Silk Road user ...

362
00: 22: 26,642 --> 00: 22: 29,542
... threatening to reveal
the identity of thousands of other users.

363
00: 22: 29,642 --> 00: 22: 34,882
So the investigator said Ulbricht tried
hiring a killer against that user ...

364
00: 22: 35,002 --> 00: 22: 39,802
... by offering 150 thousand dollars
on hitmen because ...

365
00: 22: 39,922 --> 00: 22: 42,662
"For me this kind of behavior
unforgivable. "

366
00: 22: 42,762 --> 00: 22: 47,042
"Especially on Silk Road.
Anonymity is sacred. "

367
00: 22: 47,162 --> 00: 22: 49,022
This surprised me. Not this one...

368
00: 22: 49,122 --> 00: 22: 51,582
... the Pirate Roberts Dread I imagined.

369
00: 22: 51,682 --> 00: 22: 54,442
The relationship between Ross Ulbricht ...

370
00: 22: 54,562 --> 00: 22: 57,822
... which has a lot of evidence to show
that he was involved on Silk Road.

371
00: 22: 57,922 --> 00: 23: 01,122
They confiscated his laptop when
he was on Silk Road.

372
00: 23: 01,242 --> 00: 23: 02,682
He was caught red-handed.

373
00: 23: 02,802 --> 00: 23: 05,602
But these two figures,
these two personalities ...

374
00: 23: 05,722 --> 00: 23: 08,582
... looks different.

375
00: 23: 08,682 --> 00: 23: 12,022
It's hard to imagine
they are the same person.

376
00: 23: 12,122 --> 00: 23: 16,322
And all FBI cases are based on
idea if they can show ...

377
00: 23: 16,442 --> 00: 23: 18,362
... that Pirate Roberts Dread
is Ross Ulbricht?

378
00: 23: 18,482 --> 00: 23: 20,582
Right. That's the most important part.

379
00: 23: 20,682 --> 00: 23: 23,782
Because he tried to hide
his identity on that site too.

380
00: 23: 23,882 --> 00: 23: 26,942
So the first thing they do
is connecting it ...

381
00: 23: 27,042 --> 00: 23: 29,522
... as the person who runs the site.

382
00: 23: 34,002 --> 00: 23: 36,542
This is like yesterday.

383
00: 23: 36,642 --> 00: 23: 41,242
I'm opening a computer
and playing Facebook.

384
00: 23: 41,362 --> 00: 23: 45,882
And I know this man
who really likes Bitcoin ...

385
00: 23: 46,002 --> 00: 23: 47,962
... and such currencies.

386
00: 23: 48,082 --> 00: 23: 52,382
He posted an article that said
"Ross Ulbricht Detained."

387
00: 23: 52,482 --> 00: 23: 55,702
And I chat with Lyn
and I'm like ...

388
00: 23: 55,802 --> 00: 23: 59,742
"What happened?"
And I saw Ross's page ...

389
00: 23: 59,842 --> 00: 24: 03,222
... photos of his arrest.
What is this?

390
00: 24: 03,322 --> 00: 24: 06,262
He said, "We don't even know.
We are leaving for Costa Rica now. "

391
00: 24: 06,362 --> 00: 24: 09,621
They are on their way,
but that surprised me.

392
00: 24: 09,721 --> 00: 24: 11,921
Really surprised me.

393
00: 24: 15,761 --> 00: 24: 19,141
Ross William Ulbricht grows
in the suburbs of Austin ...

394
00: 24: 19,241 --> 00: 24: 23,381
... his only son from Kirk and Lyn
who has an older sister named Callie.

395
00: 24: 23,481 --> 00: 24: 26,581
They are a loving family,
harmonious, and simple.

396
00: 24: 26,681 --> 00: 24: 29,241
Ulbricht's family earns income
from the property they built ...

397
00: 24: 29,361 --> 00: 24: 32,321
... and rent on the coast of Costa Rica.

398
00: 24: 32,441 --> 00: 24: 36,161
Ross is a fan of nature,
scout like his father ...

399
00: 24: 36,281 --> 00: 24: 39,041
... and show talent
in the field of mathematics.

400
00: 24: 39,321 --> 00: 24: 42,881
Ross received a full scholarship at
University of Texas at Dallas ...

401
00: 24: 43,001 --> 00: 24: 44,821
... studying physics.

402
00: 24: 44,921 --> 00: 24: 49,441
He graduated in 2006 and obtained
other scholarships at Penn State ...

403
00: 24: 49,641 --> 00: 24: 53,401
... to pursue a Masters degree at
Material Engineering.

404
00: 24: 53,521 --> 00: 24: 57,401
It was at Penn State that Ross started
his interest in libertarianism ...

405
00: 24: 57,521 --> 00: 25: 02,081
... especially the work of Ludwig Von Mises
and the Austrian School of Economics.

406
00: 25: 02,201 --> 00: 25: 05,341
Completed his Masters in 2009 ...

407
00: 25: 05,441 --> 00: 25: 07,721
... Ross seemed to have
change of life plan ...

408
00: 25: 07,841 --> 00: 25: 12,321
... said to his mother, he didn't
interested in pursuing a career in science ...

409
00: 25: 12,441 --> 00: 25: 15,221
... instead of being an entrepreneur.

410
00: 25: 15,321 --> 00: 25: 19,781
Ross returns to Austin and opens
his book company, Good Wagon ...

411
00: 25: 19,881 --> 00: 25: 23,221
... donating a portion of the proceeds
for youth programs in cities ...

412
00: 25: 23,321 --> 00: 25: 25,561
... and prison literacy projects.

413
00: 25: 25,721 --> 00: 25: 29,981
I remember the last time we met,
when we drink coffee and he says ...

414
00: 25: 30,081 --> 00: 25: 34,681
He said that he hoped to enter
brotherhood group during college first.

415
00: 25: 34,801 --> 00: 25: 36,641
And I replied, "That's surprising."

416
00: 25: 36,761 --> 00: 25: 40,161
I don't understand that point of view ...

417
00: 25: 40,281 --> 00: 25: 42,581
... and I only remember him thinking ...

418
00: 25: 42,681 --> 00: 25: 46,301
... how much focus he learned at college ...

419
00: 25: 46,401 --> 00: 25: 49,581
... and maybe not build
social network...

420
00: 25: 49,681 --> 00: 25: 52,981
... which he was looking for during college.

421
00: 25: 53,081 --> 00: 25: 58,561
But as far as we see
each of us ...

422
00: 25: 59,441 --> 00: 26: 03,381
... I think we have
strong desire...

423
00: 26: 03,481 --> 00: 26: 06,041
... to control our destiny.

424
00: 26: 06,161 --> 00: 26: 09,941
An example is when he started his book company.
Fully natural.

425
00: 26: 10,041 --> 00: 26: 13,201
Not something I questioned,
where many people ...

426
00: 26: 13,321 --> 00: 26: 17,201
... won't start their own business.
But for Ross, of course. Why not?

427
00: 26: 17,401 --> 00: 26: 21,021
But his business staggered and
Ross finally closed it.

428
00: 26: 21,121 --> 00: 26: 24,101
And posts on the page
LinkedIn is an indication ...

429
00: 26: 24,201 --> 00: 26: 28,381
... that Ross got enlightenment
will be the next trip.

430
00: 26: 28,481 --> 00: 26: 31,361
Ulbricht writes,
"Now my goal has changed."

431
00: 26: 31,481 --> 00: 26: 35,001
"I want to use economic theory as
means to stop coercion ... "

432
00: 26: 35,121 --> 00: 26: 37,301
"... and violence between humans."

433
00: 26: 37,401 --> 00: 26: 40,341
"So, I created an economic simulation ..."

434
00: 26: 40,441 --> 00: 26: 42,681
"... to give first experience ..."

435
00: 26: 42,801 --> 00: 26: 46,601
"... will live in a world without
systematic strength. "

436
00: 26: 47,041 --> 00: 26: 51,181
Since then, in 2010,
Ross becomes free-spirited ...

437
00: 26: 51,281 --> 00: 26: 53,541
...leaving home
his parents in Austin ...

438
00: 26: 53,641 --> 00: 26: 56,220
... to live with her brother
Callie in Sydney, Australia ...

439
00: 26: 56,320 --> 00: 26: 58,460
... and then come back
briefly to Austin.

440
00: 26: 58,560 --> 00: 27: 01,020
Throughout this period,
whose family knows ...

441
00: 27: 01,120 --> 00: 27: 05,940
... Ross is a freelance worker
computer finance.

442
00: 27: 06,040 --> 00: 27: 09,140
I'm Rene Pinnell, 29 years old.

443
00: 27: 09,240 --> 00: 27: 11,860
Today is December 6, 2012 ...

444
00: 27: 11,960 --> 00: 27: 15,700
... and we are on
Jewish Contemporary Art Museum ...

445
00: 27: 15,800 --> 00: 27: 21,160
... and relationships with colleagues
as a friend.

446
00: 27: 22,160 --> 00: 27: 25,200
So, Ross, how can you
live in San Francisco?

447
00: 27: 25,840 --> 00: 27: 28,860
You forced me to say,

448
00: 27: 28,960 --> 00: 27: 31,480
... "Alright, I'm coming."

449
00: 27: 31,880 --> 00: 27: 34,500
I got a call from Rene,
"Ross, call me."

450
00: 27: 34,600 --> 00: 27: 37,140
"I have a chance for you."
I replied, "Alright."

451
00: 27: 37,240 --> 00: 27: 41,380
She says,
"I started a company in San Francisco."

452
00: 27: 41,480 --> 00: 27: 42,740
"I want you to take part."

453
00: 27: 42,840 --> 00: 27: 45,260
The more I think about it,
he is also getting ...

454
00: 27: 45,360 --> 00: 27: 48,120
... explain the pros and cons ...

455
00: 27: 49,720 --> 00: 27: 53,240
... and all seems to be cosmic
and the right thing to do.

456
00: 27: 53,360 --> 00: 27: 55,780
So, yes.

457
00: 27: 55,880 --> 00: 27: 59,920
I bought a ticket and two weeks later,
I'm on the door.

458
00: 28: 00,200 --> 00: 28: 03,900
In the course of Ross Ulbricht
from Australia to Austin ...

459
00: 28: 04,000 --> 00: 28: 05,580
... to San Francisco ...

460
00: 28: 05,680 --> 00: 28: 08,380
... Silk Road is online too
and continues to grow.

461
00: 28: 08,480 --> 00: 28: 11,320
So it attracts attention
federal law enforcement ...

462
00: 28: 11,440 --> 00: 28: 15,960
... and the Department of Homeland Security
called Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), ...

463
00: 28: 16,080 --> 00: 28: 19,540
... office centered
customs clearance in Baltimore, Maryland.

464
00: 28: 19,640 --> 00: 28: 24,600
You have a postal inspector in Seattle
and Customs and Border Protection ...

465
00: 28: 24,720 --> 00: 28: 28,140
... intercepting incoming shipments
from abroad filled with drugs ...

466
00: 28: 28,240 --> 00: 28: 30,340
... full of currency.

467
00: 28: 30,440 --> 00: 28: 34,480
And in the end they are all
leads back to Silk Road.

468
00: 28: 35,040 --> 00: 28: 38,840
And you have a few
own inquiry ...

469
00: 28: 38,960 --> 00: 28: 42,080
... which is at the same time ...

470
00: 28: 42,200 --> 00: 28: 45,800
... follow different instructions,
but all returned to the same place.

471
00: 28: 46,040 --> 00: 28: 49,720
At the same time, Division
FBI Cyber ​​Crime in New York ...

472
00: 28: 49,840 --> 00: 28: 53,560
... start their own investigation,
led by Agent Chris Tarbell.

473
00: 28: 53,680 --> 00: 28: 56,660
Basically they are always online ...

474
00: 28: 56,760 --> 00: 28: 59,920
... as part of the team
who monitors, collects ...

475
00: 29: 00,040 --> 00: 29: 01,920
... even though there is only a small amount of evidence.

476
00: 29: 02,040 --> 00: 29: 03,800
The informant is activated.

477
00: 29: 03,920 --> 00: 29: 07,320
Site infiltrated by law enforcement
posing as a seller and buyer ...

478
00: 29: 07,440 --> 00: 29: 10,720
... since the beginning of Silk Road's existence.

479
00: 29: 10,840 --> 00: 29: 16,880
In 2012, the HSI collaborated
FBI investigators Tarbell and also DEA ...

480
00: 29: 17,000 --> 00: 29: 20,180
... to compile a covert operation
called "Marco Polo" ...

481
00: 29: 20,280 --> 00: 29: 24,100
... for the purpose
penetrate the inside of Silk Road.

482
00: 29: 24,200 --> 00: 29: 28,600
In January 2012, my package was confiscated in China
and I don't think of anything.

483
00: 29: 28,720 --> 00: 29: 31,900
I keep on doing business,
which is a stupid step.

484
00: 29: 32,000 --> 00: 29: 34,260
Then on June 28, 2012 ...

485
00: 29: 34,360 --> 00: 29: 39,040
... I was raided by ATF, DEA,
Secret Service, and local Police ...

486
00: 29: 39,160 --> 00: 29: 41,039
... and even postal inspectors.

487
00: 29: 41,159 --> 00: 29: 42,299
I'm not detained.

488
00: 29: 42,399 --> 00: 29: 47,239
Instead, I was put in the van
they call "investigative prisoners."

489
00: 29: 47,359 --> 00: 29: 49,879
They keep me from prison.
I have never been recorded or charged ...

490
00: 29: 49,999 --> 00: 29: 53,839
... because my computer is more useful
if I'm not jailed.

491
00: 29: 53,959 --> 00: 29: 56,399
I guess they did this to
some other Silk Road sellers ...

492
00: 29: 56,519 --> 00: 29: 59,339
... to get some kind
organized crime circle.

493
00: 29: 59,439 --> 00: 30: 01,179
The operation is more interesting ...

494
00: 30: 01,279 --> 00:30: 04,139
... when a secret agent
use the name "nob" seller ...

495
00: 30: 04,239 --> 00: 30: 08,819
... who directly communicates
with Pirate Roberts Dread ...

496
00: 30: 08,919 --> 00: 30: 11,299
... which leads to
shocking event.

497
00: 30: 11,399 --> 00: 30: 16,439
Nob complains to the DPR about the small
the nature of the offer on Silk Road.

498
00: 30: 16,559 --> 00: 30: 20,319
"It's not worth it if it's just selling
under 10 kilos, "wrote the agent.

499
00: 30: 20,439 --> 00: 30: 22,979
DPR offers to
looking for buyers for nob ...

500
00: 30: 23,079 --> 00: 30: 27,259
... and allegedly turned to one of his colleagues
believed to be named "chronicpain" ...

501
00: 30: 27,359 --> 00: 30: 28,899
... to make a deal.

502
00: 30: 28,999 --> 00: 30: 31,319
Chronicpain has become the core admin ...

503
00: 30: 31,439 --> 00: 30: 32,919
... from Silk Road from the start, ...

504
00: 30: 33,039 --> 00: 30: 36,339
... forum contributors who share
vision of Silk Road ...

505
00: 30: 36,439 --> 00: 30: 40,679
... to reduce the dangers of drug trafficking.
But this calm day will end.

506
00: 30: 41,159 --> 00: 30: 43,299
To facilitate this drug transaction ...

507
00: 30: 43,399 --> 00: 30: 46,739
... chronicpain tells
the address to the informant.

508
00: 30: 46,839 --> 00: 30: 51,059
Federal agents immediately arrest
chronicpain at his home in Salt Lake City ...

509
00: 30: 51,159 --> 00: 30: 54,959
... and was surprised to find that
47-year-old male family ...

510
00: 30: 55,079 --> 00: 30: 58,659
... named Curtis Clark Green
is the villain Dark Net.

511
00: 30: 58,759 --> 00: 31: 00,319
They will catch
one of those people.

512
00: 31: 00,439 --> 00: 31: 02,079
And what do you do
in ordinary drug cases?

513
00: 31: 02,199 --> 00: 31: 04,599
You change that person
become a cooperative witness.

514
00: 31: 04,719 --> 00: 31: 07,779
And in this case,
one of them is lucky ...

515
00: 31: 07,879 --> 00: 31: 09,939
... and he is the system admin.

516
00: 31: 10,039 --> 00: 31: 14,259
Green has access to a user account
Other Silk Road and financial records ...

517
00: 31: 14,359 --> 00: 31: 16,099
... including the Pirate Roberts Dread.

518
00: 31: 16,199 --> 00: 31: 20,659
"He will open his mouth",
The DPR writes to Nob, the secret agent.

519
00: 31: 20,759 --> 00: 31: 24,439
"I want him to be killed".
Then the next day, he allegedly wrote ...

520
00: 31: 24,559 --> 00: 31: 27,799
"Can you change the job from
torture becomes murder? "

521
00: 31: 27,919 --> 00: 31: 32,739
Murder carried out and photos
from Green's body sent to the DPR ...

522
00: 31: 32,839 --> 00: 31: 35,219
... who pays via Bitcoin.

523
00: 31: 35,319 --> 00: 31: 37,919
There are five more guesses
Hire Murder ...

524
00: 31: 38,039 --> 00: 31: 41,299
... including the murder order
blackmailer, cheater, ...

525
00: 31: 41,399 --> 00: 31: 44,319
... and contract with Hells Angels.

526
00: 31: 44,439 --> 00: 31: 47,799
The names of these two victims
apparently only fictitious.

527
00: 31: 47,919 --> 00: 31: 51,619
And the authorities did not find evidence
other murders.

528
00: 31: 51,719 --> 00: 31: 54,739
Alleged murder of Curtis Green
allow authorities ...

529
00: 31: 54,839 --> 00: 31: 57,779
... to charge the Pirate Roberts Dread.

530
00: 31: 57,879 --> 00: 32: 02,579
Demanding it with drug offenses,
witness killings, and murder murders.

531
00: 32: 02,679 --> 00: 32: 06,999
Of course, they still don't know
who's the Pirate Roberts Dread.

532
00: 32: 07,119 --> 00: 32: 09,919
So the secret agent continues
communicate with the DPR ...

533
00: 32: 10,039 --> 00: 32: 12,679
... and the House continues to respond.

534
00: 32: 14,639 --> 00: 32: 19,639
In June 2013, Ross moved to an apartment
which he found on Craigslist.

535
00: 32: 19,759 --> 00: 32: 24,579
He allegedly did not tell his real name
and known as Joshua Terrey.

536
00: 32: 24,679 --> 00: 32: 29,478
At the same time, IRS agent Gary Alford
investigate Silk Road ...

537
00: 32: 29,598 --> 00: 32: 33,058
... and through Google search
find email ...

538
00: 32: 33,158 --> 00: 32: 37,138
... on the Internet that discusses
Silk Road market launch ...

539
00: 32: 37,238 --> 00: 32: 41,778
... and connect the email
with Ross Ulbricht account.

540
00: 32: 41,878 --> 00: 32: 44,718
A month later
postal inspector at the border of Kanadia ...

541
00: 32: 44,838 --> 00: 32: 48,238
... confiscating a package of fake KTP
with pictures of Ross ...

542
00: 32: 48,358 --> 00: 32: 50,878
... which directs to his home address.

543
00: 32: 52,158 --> 00: 32: 56,438
Ross was visited at his apartment
by several DHS agents.

544
00: 32: 56,558 --> 00: 32: 59,418
Agent shows
Fake California SIM on Ross ...

545
00: 32: 59,518 --> 00: 33: 01,858
... who showed me the picture
with a different name.

546
00: 33: 01,958 --> 00: 33: 05,278
Ulbricht denies
ownership of fake KTP ...

547
00: 33: 05,398 --> 00: 33: 07,998
... and agents leave.

548
00: 33: 08,758 --> 00: 33: 11,938
If you suspect
someone is involved in ...

549
00: 33: 12,038 --> 00: 33: 13,778
... large scale criminal company ...

550
00: 33: 13,878 --> 00: 33: 16,338
... you go and knock on the door
with some...

551
00: 33: 16,438 --> 00: 33: 19,838
... proof of fake KTP, it's important ...

552
00: 33: 19,958 --> 00: 33: 22,778
... because you can see
the person directly.

553
00: 33: 22,878 --> 00: 33: 25,818
You might get information
useful from question and answer.

554
00: 33: 25,918 --> 00: 33: 28,318
You might
catch it directly or not.

555
00: 33: 28,438 --> 00: 33: 31,698
Let's sit back
and go after this ...

556
00: 33: 31,798 --> 00: 33: 35,618
... and there are still many other ways ...

557
00: 33: 35,718 --> 00: 33: 38,898
... because it's still there
much more than just ...

558
00: 33: 38,998 --> 00: 33: 40,658
... fake ID card.

559
00: 33: 40,758 --> 00: 33: 42,278
The next big break in the case ...

560
00: 33: 42,398 --> 00: 33: 46,198
... obtained by FBI agent Tarbell
and the Cyber ​​Crime team ...

561
00: 33: 46,318 --> 00: 33: 50,358
... who somehow got the location
Silk Road servers in Germany and Iceland.

562
00: 33: 50,478 --> 00: 33: 53,978
How about this hidden server
found still a controversy ...

563
00: 33: 54,078 --> 00: 33: 57,538
... but the FBI has its own copy
from the Silk Road server ...

564
00: 33: 57,638 --> 00: 34: 01,498
... and finally they hope to open
cover of Pirate Roberts Dread.

565
00: 34: 01,598 --> 00: 34: 04,038
I admit there is a gap in the settings.

566
00: 34: 04,158 --> 00: 34: 06,198
I can't handle it.

567
00: 34: 06,318 --> 00: 34: 09,418
But there is a gap and
I contacted my colleague and said ...

568
00: 34: 09,518 --> 00: 34: 11,538
"There's a gap. We have a little time."

569
00: 34: 11,638 --> 00: 34: 13,758
"We have to take the money and then run away."

570
00: 34: 14,118 --> 00: 34: 17,958
For a year, a DHS agent from Chicago ...

571
00: 34: 18,078 --> 00: 34: 21,378
... named Jared Der-Yeghiayan
has been put on Silk Road ...

572
00: 34: 21,478 --> 00: 34: 25,238
... now disguised as
moderator named "Cirrus".

573
00: 34: 25,358 --> 00: 34: 28,598
With two proofs linking
Ross over the launch of Silk Road ...

574
00: 34: 28,718 --> 00: 34: 34,078
... and a fake ID card incident,
Ross is the main suspect.

575
00: 34: 34,398 --> 00: 34: 38,858
On October 1 in a coordinated effort
between Der-Yeghiayan from DHS ...

576
00: 34: 38,958 --> 00: 34: 42,818
... and FBI Tarbell troops,
an operation is carried out.

577
00: 34: 42,918 --> 00: 34: 47,418
According to Der-Yeghiayan's testimony,
he spied on Ross's new residence.

578
00: 34: 47,518 --> 00: 34: 49,538
By using cirrus pseudonym ...

579
00: 34: 49,638 --> 00: 34: 53,758
... Der-Yeghiayan starts a conversation
with the DPR on Silk Road.

580
00: 34: 53,878 --> 00: 34: 56,918
A few moments later,
Ross goes to the Glen Park Library ...

581
00: 34: 57,038 --> 00: 34: 58,898
... to use their Wi-Fi.

582
00: 34: 58,998 --> 00: 35: 02,978
And when Der-Yeghiayan saw the DPR
re-enter Silk Road ...

583
00: 35: 03,078 --> 00: 35: 06,298
... he told Tarbell and his troops
to move in.

584
00: 35: 06,398 --> 00: 35: 09,118
It's the excitement
You can't buy it on Silk Road.

585
00: 35: 09,238 --> 00: 35: 11,678
All drugs
you bought there, you ...

586
00: 35: 11,798 --> 00: 35: 15,357
The pleasure is not the same
by catching it. Adrenaline.

587
00: 35: 15,837 --> 00: 35: 18,817
Ross was arrested before
he had time to lock his laptop.

588
00: 35: 18,917 --> 00: 35: 21,817
He allegedly entered
Silk Road administration panel ...

589
00: 35: 21,917 --> 00: 35: 24,897
... for customers
requires the attention of the DPR.

590
00: 35: 24,997 --> 00: 35: 29,277
He is the dream of another user,
because he is very good ...

591
00: 35: 29,397 --> 00: 35: 34,237
... and he can hide
the website that he built ...

592
00: 35: 34,357 --> 00: 35: 37,817
... and real sales
illegal drugs...

593
00: 35: 37,917 --> 00: 35: 41,677
... sold by drug dealers
on the website.

594
00: 35: 41,957 --> 00: 35: 45,077
Silk Road was confiscated, closed,
and the charges were announced ...

595
00: 35: 45,197 --> 00: 35: 48,397
... for several core colleagues
and seller on the site.

596
00: 35: 48,757 --> 00: 35: 51,517
Ross was held for a month
in prison in Oakland ...

597
00: 35: 51,637 --> 00: 35: 53,557
... waiting for extradition to New York.

598
00: 35: 54,037 --> 00: 35: 57,717
The Ross family managed to collect
more than one million dollars for collateral.

599
00: 35: 57,917 --> 00: 36: 01,977
But the claimant argues because
alleged rental of murder ...

600
00: 36: 02,077 --> 00: 36: 06,357
Ross is too dangerous to release.
So the guarantee is rejected.

601
00: 36: 06,477 --> 00: 36: 08,017
I think that's a wrong decision.

602
00: 36: 08,117 --> 00: 36: 10,337
He is not risky and he has never ...

603
00: 36: 10,437 --> 00: 36: 12,257
... dangerous for anyone.

604
00: 36: 12,357 --> 00: 36: 18,317
For him to say, "I will kill
someone ". That's ridiculous.

605
00: 36: 18,437 --> 00: 36: 23,077
I don't understand one of these DPR ...

606
00: 36: 23,637 --> 00: 36: 27,737
... being selfish, crazy, and maniac ...

607
00: 36: 27,837 --> 00: 36: 31,237
... and do all that.

608
00: 36: 31,357 --> 00: 36: 34,857
There are more than one person
who uses a DPR account?

609
00: 36: 34,957 --> 00: 36: 41,697
I'm sure there are at least two people,
or three.

610
00: 36: 41,797 --> 00: 36: 47,517
That doesn't matter.
That's why they dig this.

611
00: 36: 48,397 --> 00: 36: 51,077
Bullshit contract.

612
00: 36: 51,197 --> 00: 36: 54,957
But because of involvement
senate members and ...

613
00: 36: 55,917 --> 00: 36: 58,197
... all that crap,
they will finish him.

614
00: 36: 58,837 --> 00: 37: 03,157
Data taken from Silk Road server
including all private messages ...

615
00: 37: 03,277 --> 00: 37: 06,797
... reveals that many people
who runs the site.

616
00: 37: 07,157 --> 00: 37: 09,377
One seller with a username
"Variety Jones" ...

617
00: 37: 09,477 --> 00: 37: 12,177
... has been active since
the beginning of Silk Road.

618
00: 37: 12,277 --> 00: 37: 15,037
Jones gave many orders
to run Silk Road ...

619
00: 37: 15,157 --> 00: 37: 20,677
... even assigns a system admin to
make the figure of the Pirate Roberts Dread.

620
00: 37: 20,997 --> 00: 37: 25,637
But Ross Ulbricht remains
became the main focus of the investigation.

621
00: 37: 25,997 --> 00: 37: 28,437
Ross has been jailed for over a year ...

622
00: 37: 28,557 --> 00: 37: 32,157
... at the Metropolitan Detention Center
in Brooklyn, waiting for a trial.

623
00: 37: 32,277 --> 00: 37: 35,557
Six weeks at that time,
he was in solitary confinement.

624
00: 37: 35,677 --> 00: 37: 39,757
Ross pleaded not guilty and
denied being the Pirate Roberts Dread.

625
00: 37: 39,877 --> 00: 37: 44,417
The court is set on
November 10, 2014 in New York.

626
00: 37: 44,517 --> 00: 37: 48,417
If found guilty, Ross faces
minimum sentence of 30 years ...

627
00: 37: 48,517 --> 00: 37: 52,197
... with a maximum sentence
for life in prison.

628
00: 37: 52,357 --> 00: 37: 54,557
Are you recording?

629
00: 37: 55,037 --> 00: 37: 57,597
- Should we...
- He is hairy.

630
00: 37: 57,717 --> 00: 38: 00,416
Men today aren't too ...

631
00: 38: 00,516 --> 00: 38: 02,956
I will take it off.

632
00: 38: 03,076 --> 00: 38: 04,056
Where is he?

633
00: 38: 04,156 --> 00: 38: 06,876
This is difficult.
Difficult for family.

634
00: 38: 06,996 --> 00: 38: 09,756
Really, especially when
You really love that person ...

635
00: 38: 09,876 --> 00: 38: 11,456
... and you trust them ...

636
00: 38: 11,556 --> 00: 38: 14,876
... and you have an opponent
Very large.

637
00: 38: 14,996 --> 00: 38: 17,396
It's challenging.

638
00: 38: 17,556 --> 00: 38: 20,736
It's like death when you think,
"That can't be true" ...

639
00: 38: 20,836 --> 00: 38: 22,716
... then finally you, "Yes, that's right."

640
00: 38: 22,836 --> 00: 38: 25,056
And you passed that surprise.

641
00: 38: 25,156 --> 00: 38: 26,836
His father, my husband ...

642
00: 38: 26,996 --> 00: 38: 29,816
... he tried to run a business
so we have a livelihood.

643
00: 38: 29,916 --> 00: 38: 32,816
And her sister is in Australia ...

644
00: 38: 32,916 --> 00: 38: 34,736
... and he also helped from there.

645
00: 38: 34,836 --> 00: 38: 36,476
I'm Ross's sister and I can say ...

646
00: 38: 36,596 --> 00: 38: 39,796
... he is a man who keeps his promises
and respect for his life.

647
00: 38: 39,916 --> 00: 38: 43,956
I was surprised to hear his arrest,
but I feel more disappointed ...

648
00: 38: 44,076 --> 00: 38: 47,756
... with media writing
don't even know him.

649
00: 38: 49,316 --> 00: 38: 52,996
I read people's writings
who doesn't know who Ross is.

650
00: 38: 55,276 --> 00: 38: 58,656
He has been tried and convicted in the media.

651
00: 38: 58,756 --> 00: 39: 01,236
Nothing is proven.

652
00: 39: 01,556 --> 00: 39: 03,796
I don't know what happened with
presumption of innocence in this country ...

653
00: 39: 03,916 --> 00: 39: 08,156
... but this is up to constitutional rights
the guilty person was proven guilty.

654
00: 39: 08,276 --> 00: 39: 11,956
Ross sent a picture of him a week ago.

655
00: 39: 12,076 --> 00: 39: 14,876
Some of the photos were taken
last week in prison.

656
00: 39: 14,996 --> 00: 39: 18,336
I guess they go around and
take photos for the family.

657
00: 39: 18,436 --> 00: 39: 20,416
He is healthy ...

658
00: 39: 20,516 --> 00: 39: 24,456
... as expected.

659
00: 39: 24,556 --> 00: 39: 27,856
And finally,
after five months of delay ...

660
00: 39: 27,956 --> 00: 39: 32,736
... he has access to
examine the evidence that the prosecutor has.

661
00: 39: 32,836 --> 00: 39: 35,616
And he researched very hard.

662
00: 39: 35,716 --> 00: 39: 37,936
We asked the prosecutor ...

663
00: 39: 38,036 --> 00: 39: 41,636
"How did you find the server,"
and they said nothing.

664
00: 39: 42,116 --> 00: 39: 43,976
We must know how
they found the server ...

665
00: 39: 44,076 --> 00: 39: 47,696
... to see if
Ross's Fourth Amendment was violated.

666
00: 39: 47,796 --> 00: 39: 51,796
And who knows
has the evidence been destroyed ...

667
00: 39: 51,916 --> 00: 39: 55,516
... if they don't reveal
how to find a server?

668
00: 39: 55,636 --> 00: 39: 58,896
There are 14 searches and
confiscation in the case ...

669
00: 39: 58,996 --> 00: 40: 02,496
... which one is
careless search ...

670
00: 40: 02,596 --> 00: 40: 05,456
... to someone's property.

671
00: 40: 05,556 --> 00: 40: 09,076
Rummaging through everything they saw.

672
00: 40: 09,236 --> 00: 40: 12,216
When the first criminal complaint
appeared in October ...

673
00: 40: 12,316 --> 00: 40: 15,316
... I think supporters
Dread Pirate Roberts ...

674
00: 40: 15,436 --> 00: 40: 17,216
... and Silk Road is expanding.

675
00: 40: 17,316 --> 00: 40: 20,916
Because of the community
this idealistic look ...

676
00: 40: 21,036 --> 00: 40: 25,536
... built without violence and
libertarian free trade ...

677
00: 40: 25,636 --> 00: 40: 28,656
... suddenly seemed to be
criminal conspiracy.

678
00: 40: 28,756 --> 00: 40: 34,296
And the man in it
will be kind of ...

679
00: 40: 34,396 --> 00: 40: 36,196
... political controversy ...

680
00: 40: 36,316 --> 00: 40: 40,056
... who has supporters
voicing his freedom ...

681
00: 40: 40,156 --> 00: 40: 44,095
... instead treated
as community waste.

682
00: 40: 44,195 --> 00: 40: 45,435
He is considered a criminal.

683
00: 40: 45,555 --> 00: 40: 49,575
There is a lot of evidence ...

684
00: 40: 49,675 --> 00: 40: 51,855
... suspicious, if you say that.

685
00: 40: 51,955 --> 00: 40: 54,775
There are many sheets and
pieces involved.

686
00: 40: 54,875 --> 00: 40: 56,815
Everyone is getting crazy.

687
00: 40: 56,915 --> 00: 40: 59,635
This is breaking down
this online drug market.

688
00: 40: 59,755 --> 00: 41: 03,135
Other things that are the cause
is Leasing Murder.

689
00: 41: 03,235 --> 00: 41: 05,055
Looks absurd.

690
00: 41: 05,155 --> 00: 41: 08,775
29-year-old entrepreneur
this neat look ...

691
00: 41: 08,875 --> 00: 41: 12,115
... run a secret life
as a digital drug kingpin.

692
00: 41: 12,235 --> 00: 41: 15,415
They claim that
he lives like a cartel.

693
00: 41: 15,515 --> 00: 41: 18,235
The difference between Ross Ulbricht
and cartel ...

694
00: 41: 18,355 --> 00: 41: 22,555
You don't need to watch a lot of movies
to see the differences.

695
00: 41: 22,835 --> 00: 41: 25,115
Then when the charges come out ...

696
00: 41: 25,235 --> 00: 41: 29,055
... suddenly there were no charges
for this Murder Rental.

697
00: 41: 29,155 --> 00: 41: 33,295
There is only drug trafficking,
money laundering and hacking.

698
00: 41: 33,395 --> 00: 41: 38,075
They have six charges and use them
to keep him from guarantee ...

699
00: 41: 38,195 --> 00: 41: 42,655
... but two and a half months later,
the claimant does not charge him.

700
00: 41: 42.755 --> 00: 41: 46,615
They call what they do
as "Crime without Charges."

701
00: 41: 46,715 --> 00: 41: 49,135
If something is considered a crime,
won't you charge him?

702
00: 41: 49,235 --> 00: 41: 52,415
And if it's not a crime,
why was he arrested?

703
00: 41: 52,515 --> 00: 41: 54,835
Because it's detrimental to the jury ...

704
00: 41: 54,955 --> 00: 41: 59,755
... by just sitting
there without proof.

705
00: 42: 00,315 --> 00: 42: 05,135
The description they want
is someone they can ...

706
00: 42: 05,235 --> 00: 42: 07,675
... present to the jury without
opportunity to be free.

707
00: 42: 07,795 --> 00: 42: 10,775
That's a way to poison the atmosphere ...

708
00: 42: 10,875 --> 00: 42: 14,575
... so the jury doesn't focus on the charges ...

709
00: 42: 14,675 --> 00: 42: 17,755
... but focusing on the atmosphere
made by the government ...

710
00: 42: 17,875 --> 00: 42: 20,955
... which is a diversion
emotional aspects.

711
00: 42: 21,075 --> 00: 42: 25,335
So if the evidence is weak,
profit will not be to the defendant ...

712
00: 42: 25,435 --> 00: 42: 27,555
... in its place,
under the presumption of innocence ...

713
00: 42: 27,675 --> 00: 42: 31,295
... but returned to the government because
there are bad things lurking out there ...

714
00: 42: 31,395 --> 00: 42: 32,955
... which is not part of the court.

715
00: 42: 33,075 --> 00: 42: 34,875
The government does not need to prove it
principle of proof ...

716
00: 42: 34,995 --> 00: 42: 36,615
... but they have included it
in the case of...

717
00: 42: 36,715 --> 00: 42: 40,815
... in a poisonous way to
balanced evaluation ...

718
00: 42: 40,915 --> 00: 42: 42,815
... from evidence of evil
charged.

719
00: 42: 42,915 --> 00: 42: 46,835
So the ideas of people are formed and
it's halfway so the defendant is guilty.

720
00: 42: 46,955 --> 00: 42: 51,615
Previously, Murder Rentals existed
there as the last charge was dropped.

721
00: 42: 51,715 --> 00: 42: 53,335
But that doesn't disappear.

722
00: 42: 53,435 --> 00: 42: 56,115
That is included in what is
they call real action ...

723
00: 42: 56,235 --> 00: 42: 59,635
... in conspiracy and
to sell drugs.

724
00: 42: 59,755 --> 00: 43: 03,575
So they made it
as one of support ...

725
00: 43: 03,675 --> 00: 43: 05,595
... for drug conspiracies
the greater one...

726
00: 43: 05,755 --> 00: 43: 08,915
... to hold a court
or make him confess.

727
00: 43: 09,035 --> 00: 43: 12,235
Looks bait and switch
who was charged by the government ...

728
00: 43: 12,355 --> 00: 43: 15,755
... in the indictment
this murder was done ...

729
00: 43: 15,875 --> 00: 43: 19,735
... so that when he is accused of crime
without this violence ...

730
00: 43: 19,835 --> 00: 43: 22,255
... he still looks like
violent criminals.

731
00: 43: 22,355 --> 00: 43: 24,915
I think it's really effective ...

732
00: 43: 25,035 --> 00: 43: 28,435
... in describing stories
Ross Ulbricht.

733
00: 43: 31,114 --> 00: 43: 32,854
Since the arrest of Ross ...

734
00: 43: 32,954 --> 00: 43: 36,714
... he and his best friend Rene Pinnell
keep communicating with each other.

735
00: 43: 37,074 --> 00: 43: 39,874
Rene refused to give
real interview on the press ...

736
00: 43: 39,994 --> 00: 43: 42,874
... for fear of being used for
fight Ross in court ...

737
00: 43: 42,994 --> 00: 43: 45,994
... but agreed to answer via email.

738
00: 43: 46,019 --> 00: 43: 48,019
When and where the first time
did you meet Ross?

739
00: 43: 48,044 --> 00: 43: 52,644
I met during middle school. We are
in one group of exiles.

740
00: 43: 52,700 --> 00: 43: 54,900
What is Ross like in high school?

741
00: 43: 54,994 --> 00: 43: 59,094
He never said cruel.
He is someone who easily accepts other people.

742
00: 43: 59,119 --> 00: 44: 01,919
What is your reaction to his arrest?

743
00: 44: 02,000 --> 00: 44: 04,100
Sad. Don't believe it.

744
00: 44: 04,129 --> 00: 44: 07,029
Like what you see
the development of the story?

745
00: 44: 07,100 --> 00: 44: 09,600
Actually I tried to avoid it.
That makes me depressed.

746
00: 44: 09,619 --> 00: 44: 11,719
Ross calls me once a month
and we talked for 15 minutes.

747
00: 44: 11,744 --> 00: 44: 14,644
That's all I need.
I don't want to read the case.

748
00: 44: 14,669 --> 00: 44: 17,669
So did the murder charges,
all who know Ross know it's crazy.

749
00: 44: 17,694 --> 00: 44: 21,794
I don't think he did
what the government charged.

750
00: 44: 42,514 --> 00: 44: 44,474
Because of the severity of the charges ...

751
00: 44: 44,594 --> 00: 44: 47,574
... Ross is not permitted
interview from prison ...

752
00: 44: 47,674 --> 00: 44: 51,574
... which only leaves
photos and videos of him.

753
00: 44: 51,674 --> 00: 44: 54,654
But from deep discussion
with friends and family ...

754
00: 44: 54,754 --> 00: 44: 57,214
... and public knowledge
about the trace of Ross's life ...

755
00: 44: 57,314 --> 00: 45: 01,754
... from the Department of Physics and Engineering to
running a small book company ...

756
00: 45: 01,874 --> 00: 45: 05,514
... it's hard to understand how it works
he became the only puppeteer ...

757
00: 45: 05,634 --> 00:45: 08,914
... behind Silk Road,
Internet services are extensive and complex ...

758
00: 45: 09,034 --> 00: 45: 11,994
... with millions of users all over the world.

759
00: 45: 12,114 --> 00: 45: 14,574
Ross has a deep interest ...

760
00: 45: 14,674 --> 00: 45: 18,674
... on libertarian economic theory,
which echoes the mandate and philosophy ...

761
00: 45: 18,794 --> 00: 45: 21,434
... from many posts that were distributed
Pirate Roberts Dread.

762
00: 45: 21,554 --> 00: 45: 24,474
But he has no knowledge
in computer coding ...

763
00: 45: 24,594 --> 00: 45: 26,774
... or develop
internet company.

764
00: 45: 26,874 --> 00: 45: 29,614
So how is Ross connected
with little known ...

765
00: 45: 29,714 --> 00: 45: 31,794
... about Dread Pirate Roberts?

766
00: 45: 32,274 --> 00: 45: 35,274
DPR is motivated by
philosophy of peace ...

767
00: 45: 35,474 --> 00: 45: 39,934
... and plans to create
drug trafficking without danger.

768
00: 45: 40,034 --> 00: 45: 44,314
This spirit is embraced by architects
and traders on Silk Road ...

769
00: 45: 44,434 --> 00: 45: 47,214
... and echo throughout the community.

770
00: 45: 47,314 --> 00: 45: 49,734
I don't sell my stuff
in some people ...

771
00: 45: 49,834 --> 00: 45: 55,234
... because I know them
not mature enough to ...

772
00: 45: 55,354 --> 00: 46: 00,274
... use this medicine and don't know it yet.
It's like, "Read first ..."

773
00: 46: 00,394 --> 00: 46: 05,134
"... think about it then come back again
and I'll sell you something ... "

774
00: 46: 05,234 --> 00: 46: 09,394
"... but I won't take it
your virginity and kill you. "

775
00: 46: 09,514 --> 00: 46: 13,954
Especially the heroin I sell
carefully because ...

776
00: 46: 14,594 --> 00: 46: 19,113
... nothing matches him.
That's the best heroin on Silk Road.

777
00: 46: 19,673 --> 00: 46: 22,133
Silk Road seemed to be
successful trial ...

778
00: 46: 22,233 --> 00: 46: 24,213
... in creating a peaceful community ...

779
00: 46: 24,313 --> 00: 46: 27,433
... supervised by dolls
with deep-rooted ideology.

780
00: 46: 27,713 --> 00: 46: 30,173
But the basic idealism of
This Pirate Roberts Dread ...

781
00: 46: 30,273 --> 00: 46: 33,193
... very contrary to
indictment of Leasing Murder.

782
00: 46: 33,473 --> 00: 46: 35,133
Did the DPR become damaged ...

783
00: 46: 35,233 --> 00: 46: 39,513
... and turn away from the anti-violence mandate
and harm reduction?

784
00: 46: 39,633 --> 00: 46: 42,253
Are there other people
use the DPR account ...

785
00: 46: 42,353 --> 00: 46: 44,673
...responsible
for this action?

786
00: 46: 44,873 --> 00: 46: 46,613
Or is there another truth ...

787
00: 46: 46,713 --> 00: 46: 51,633
... behind charges of murder
without this victim?

788
00: 46: 58,513 --> 00: 47: 00,793
We don't know the first piece of evidence ...

789
00: 47: 00,913 --> 00: 47: 05,173
... who brought the FBI to
in this investigation chain ...

790
00: 47: 05,273 --> 00: 47: 10,133
... to the San Francisco library
where Ross Ulbricht is detained.

791
00: 47: 10,233 --> 00: 47: 13,533
What we know suddenly is them
find the location of the Silk Road server ...

792
00: 47: 13,633 --> 00: 47: 16,893
... in the data center in Iceland
and confiscate them.

793
00: 47: 16,993 --> 00: 47: 20,793
They copy all data
and confiscating that data ...

794
00: 47: 20,913 --> 00: 47: 22,833
... but we don't know how
they found that server.

795
00: 47: 22,953 --> 00: 47: 26,673
The whole idea of ​​Silk Road is the site
run with hidden Tor server ...

796
00: 47: 26,793 --> 00: 47: 29,533
... which means Tor
protect the physical location of the server ...

797
00: 47: 29,633 --> 00: 47: 33,053
... and make searching difficult
the computer that runs it.

798
00: 47: 33,153 --> 00: 47: 38,973
So the mystery of how the FBI is,
or DEA, or NSA ...

799
00: 47: 39,073 --> 00: 47: 41,613
... find the server's location
still unanswered ...

800
00: 47: 41,713 --> 00: 47: 45,133
... and in fact, it's still not
mentioned in legal documents ...

801
00: 47: 45,233 --> 00: 47: 47,773
... in Ross Ulbricht's trial.

802
00: 47: 47,873 --> 00: 47: 50,173
I think his defense makes ...

803
00: 47: 50,273 --> 00: 47: 52,853
... something that is government
don't want to talk about.

804
00: 47: 52,953 --> 00: 47: 58,173
And if that's why, it will
raised the issue of the Fourth Amendment ...

805
00: 47: 58,273 --> 00: 48: 01,913
... about can the government
using hacking techniques ...

806
00: 48: 02,033 --> 00: 48: 05,133
... to dig up evidence on
criminal suspect?

807
00: 48: 05,233 --> 00: 48: 07,573
And if you can,
what warrant do they need?

808
00: 48: 07,673 --> 00: 48: 10,333
If there is a violation of the Fourth Amendment ...

809
00: 48: 10,433 --> 00: 48: 13,573
... in the investigation section ...

810
00: 48: 13,673 --> 00: 48: 17,753
... that was the first clue
bring them into the chain ...

811
00: 48: 17,873 --> 00: 48: 19,213
... arrest of Ross Ulbricht, ...

812
00: 48: 19,313 --> 00: 48: 21,693
... it will be a big problem
for prosecutors ...

813
00: 48: 21,793 --> 00: 48: 26,433
... which will pollute other evidence
they found afterwards.

814
00: 48: 27,313 --> 00: 48: 29,353
The government has demanded
other people because of doing ...

815
00: 48: 29,473 --> 00: 48: 33,233
...What is being done
current government, namely ...

816
00: 48: 35,153 --> 00: 48: 39,253
... trying to find a public figure
from a website.

817
00: 48: 39,353 --> 00: 48: 41,853
And they are suspected
get information...

818
00: 48: 41,953 --> 00: 48: 43,773
... that shouldn't be
publicly accessible ...

819
00: 48: 43,873 --> 00: 48: 48,333
... by sophisticated computers,
investigation, or activity ...

820
00: 48: 48,433 --> 00: 48: 52,133
... which violates federal law.

821
00: 48: 52,233 --> 00: 48: 54,573
So they always say,
"We didn't make a mistake,"

822
00: 48: 54,673 --> 00: 48: 57,893
"... we don't commit violations."
But they know what's at stake now.

823
00: 48: 57,993 --> 00: 49: 00,653
Because they have tried
people in the same thing.

824
00: 49: 00,753 --> 00: 49: 04,052
And the government statement,
statement from Agent Tarbell ...

825
00: 49: 04,152 --> 00: 49: 06,432
... about how they are
arrived at the Silk Road server ...

826
00: 49: 06,552 --> 00: 49: 11,152
... make a community
Internet confusion.

827
00: 49: 11,552 --> 00: 49: 14,292
Description of Tarbell,
the soft words ...

828
00: 49: 14,392 --> 00: 49: 17,392
... looks vaguely
apart from the truth.

829
00: 49: 17,512 --> 00: 49: 20,252
If you are, depending on security experts
do you ask ...

830
00: 49: 20,352 --> 00: 49: 25,612
... you will find
This obscurity is filled with ...

831
00: 49: 25,712 --> 00: 49: 28,412
... useless nonsense.

832
00: 49: 28,512 --> 00: 49: 32,372
According to Tarbell he is currently
typing on his computer ...

833
00: 49: 32,472 --> 00: 49: 37,392
... visit the Silk Road site and
The CAPTCHA is clearly transmitted ...

834
00: 49: 37,512 --> 00: 49: 41,972
... and somehow he saw
IP package directly to the server.

835
00: 49: 42,072 --> 00: 49: 44,892
So he connected to that server
and complete the CAPTCHA.

836
00: 49: 44,992 --> 00: 49: 47,632
Done, they found the server.

837
00: 49: 47,752 --> 00: 49: 53,912
Unfortunately, this is a bit reckless
from the truth.

838
00: 49: 54,032 --> 00: 49: 57,512
Because the site is protected
with defense ...

839
00: 49: 57,632 --> 00: 50: 02,812
... indicates that it was found
Tarbell is not a CAPTCHA image ...

840
00: 50: 02,912 --> 00: 50: 05,652
... but the phpMyAdmin page.

841
00: 50: 05,752 --> 00: 50: 10,172
The server shows several pages,
but not a CAPTCHA.

842
00: 50: 10,272 --> 00: 50: 15,632
So the Tarbell story is not appropriate
with FBI evidence.

843
00: 50: 16,312 --> 00: 50: 20,332
They hacked the server and did it
whatever they want.

844
00: 50: 20,432 --> 00: 50: 23,472
Given the pressure from the institute
to overcome this ...

845
00: 50: 23,592 --> 00: 50: 26,112
... naive when thinking
they don't do it.

846
00: 50: 28,032 --> 00: 50: 30,392
Of course it's clear what they are
do to look for it.

847
00: 50: 30,512 --> 00: 50: 32,952
He faced Tor.
Facing all technology ...

848
00: 50: 33,072 --> 00: 50: 35,572
... which we know is
the subject of the NSA investigation ...

849
00: 50: 35,672 --> 00: 50: 37,132
... as revealed
by Edward Snowden.

850
00: 50: 37,232 --> 00: 50: 39,952
At least it makes sense to
assume that there is some sort of ...

851
00: 50: 40,072 --> 00: 50: 43,372
... parallel construction or interference
because it doesn't play according to the rules ...

852
00: 50: 43,472 --> 00: 50: 45,052
... allowed by the state.

853
00: 50: 45,152 --> 00: 50: 48,472
But again,
we all know that's what they do.

854
00: 50: 48,592 --> 00: 50: 50,952
That's what makes the game run.

855
00: 50: 51,072 --> 00: 50: 54,772
Naive if you think that
not an available option.

856
00: 50: 54,872 --> 00: 51: 00,032
The problem is what the agent is
do what he says.

857
00: 51: 00,152 --> 00: 51: 02,932
The theory has been stated
in the testimony ...

858
00: 51: 03,032 --> 00: 51: 05,432
... by agents who do this.

859
00: 51: 05,552 --> 00: 51: 08,572
They managed to manipulate
part of the server ...

860
00: 51: 08,672 --> 00: 51: 12,492
... so that shows the address
which shouldn't be given ...

861
00: 51: 12,592 --> 00: 51: 14,772
... and that address
heading to Iceland.

862
00: 51: 14,872 --> 00: 51: 19,192
And the server saves
data on Hidden Road Silk services.

863
00: 51: 19,952 --> 00: 51: 22,332
I don't think we will know until
get to court ...

864
00: 51: 22,432 --> 00: 51: 24,112
... and we won't know for sure.

865
00: 51: 24,232 --> 00: 51: 27,012
There is always a balance between ...

866
00: 51: 27,112 --> 00: 51: 29,772
... trying to move forward
in your investigation technique ...

867
00: 51: 29,872 --> 00: 51: 32,752
... and make sure you don't
stepping on rights at that time.

868
00: 51: 32,872 --> 00: 51: 36,412
You want to stay inside
the limits of your legal authority ...

869
00: 51: 36,512 --> 00: 51: 40,852
... because if you step over the line,
the evidence vanished.

870
00: 51: 40,952 --> 00: 51: 44,112
Evidence will not be recognized in court
and you might ...

871
00: 51: 44,232 --> 00: 51: 46,772
... endanger the results of
overall investigation.

872
00: 51: 46,872 --> 00: 51: 49,011
Therefore,
I guess what the institution is doing is ...

873
00: 51: 49,111 --> 00: 51: 50,931
... they want to step right on the limit ...

874
00: 51: 51,031 --> 00: 51: 54,871
... and may exceed a little,
but don't step over it.

875
00: 51: 54,991 --> 00: 51: 58,991
Ross's lawyer filed a motion to stop
case based on a seizure dispute ...

876
00: 51: 59,111 --> 00: 52: 02,971
... Silk Road server,
on the grounds that the evidence obtained ...

877
00: 52: 03,071 --> 00: 52: 06,251
... not just breaking
Amendment rights of the four clients ...

878
00: 52: 06,351 --> 00: 52: 10,551
... but it is also a dangerous action
for the privacy rights of all citizens.

879
00: 52: 11,191 --> 00: 52: 14,251
The judge, Katherine Forest,
siding with the prosecutor ...

880
00: 52: 14,351 --> 00: 52: 17,231
...States that
Tarbell's information is acceptable.

881
00: 52: 17,511 --> 00: 52: 19,951
And the motion was rejected.

882
00: 52: 24,991 --> 00: 52: 28,591
Search and seizure law
in the digital era really ...

883
00: 52: 28,711 --> 00: 52: 32,331
... has no restrictions ...

884
00: 52: 32,431 --> 00: 52: 34,171
... in physical space.

885
00: 52: 34,271 --> 00: 52: 38,011
And we don't just look at it
the law of search and confiscation.

886
00: 52: 38,111 --> 00: 52: 41,491
What is the standard procedure if they are
come and take your computer?

887
00: 52: 41,591 --> 00: 52: 44,651
What kind of search can
did they do it to your computer?

888
00: 52: 44,751 --> 00: 52: 46,991
Did they get everything?
We see this on the border ...

889
00: 52: 47,111 --> 00: 52: 48,651
... or search that
ending arrest.

890
00: 52: 48,751 --> 00: 52: 53,111
Everyone is now carrying a smartphone
with all life in it.

891
00: 52: 53,231 --> 00: 52: 57,251
And if they are dismissed,
Current law enforcement ...

892
00: 52: 57,351 --> 00: 53: 00,531
... open all things connected ...

893
00: 53: 00,631 --> 00: 53: 04,731
... on cellphones,
including log in to your account ...

894
00: 53: 04,831 --> 00: 53: 07,991
... the one on your cellphone is logged in,
that's fine.

895
00: 53: 08,111 --> 00: 53: 12,011
If the claimant escapes
without search warrant ...

896
00: 53: 12,111 --> 00: 53: 15,731
... all American data
taken including foreigners ...

897
00: 53: 15,831 --> 00: 53: 17,951
... that will raise questions ...

898
00: 53: 18,071 --> 00: 53: 20,651
...how to work
Fourth Amendment in the digital age.

899
00: 53: 20,751 --> 00: 53: 25,211
I guess maybe that
lasting impact of Silk Road.

900
00: 53: 25,311 --> 00: 53: 28,891
Generally, what happens
in the field of criminal law ...

901
00: 53: 28,991 --> 00: 53: 33,451
... that there is a big case ...

902
00: 53: 33,551 --> 00: 53: 36,851
... used as
means of changing the rules ...

903
00: 53: 36,951 --> 00: 53: 40,691
... or expand exceptions
for constitutional protection ...

904
00: 53: 40,791 --> 00: 53: 42,891
... and when that happens,
when the precedent was set ...

905
00: 53: 42,991 --> 00: 53: 45,131
... that easily
and quickly tear down ...

906
00: 53: 45,231 --> 00: 53: 48,951
... all the usual cases with
justifies any means.

907
00: 53: 49,071 --> 00: 53: 51,811
Now it all spreads.

908
00: 53: 51,911 --> 00: 53: 55,631
The average citizen might say,
"What's important to me?"

909
00: 53: 55,751 --> 00: 53: 58,991
"I don't buy drugs online.
Nobody I know bought it. "

910
00: 53: 59,111 --> 00: 54: 00,331
But it's not just that.

911
00: 54: 00,431 --> 00: 54: 04,831
We are citizens of a democracy ...

912
00: 54: 05,551 --> 00: 54: 07,631
... understand that
they have privacy ...

913
00: 54: 07,751 --> 00: 54: 12,571
... and the Fourth Amendment protects against
unwarranted search and seizure.

914
00: 54: 12,671 --> 00: 54: 14,331
Information must be encrypted.

915
00: 54: 14,431 --> 00: 54: 18,231
And that applies to large companies
up to individuals.

916
00: 54: 18,351 --> 00: 54: 23,291
And for those who say that
information does not have to be encrypted ...

917
00: 54: 23,391 --> 00: 54: 28,471
... certainly make law enforcement
fighting easier ...

918
00: 54: 28,591 --> 00: 54: 32,131
... but also makes cyber criminals
easier to attack.

919
00: 54: 32,231 --> 00: 54: 35,410
It makes sense if it's a criminal
together with this...

920
00: 54: 35,510 --> 00: 54: 38,830
... along with paranoid people,
use these new tools and services.

921
00: 54: 38,950 --> 00: 54: 41,710
But that doesn't mean only them
who use this service.

922
00: 54: 41,830 --> 00: 54: 43,890
There are many journalists I know ...

923
00: 54: 43,990 --> 00: 54: 46,390
... and communicate via Tor.

924
00: 54: 46,510 --> 00: 54: 49,890
But for people
who oppose this technology ...

925
00: 54: 49,990 --> 00: 54: 52,630
... who saw this as a threat,
because criminals wear it ...

926
00: 54: 52,750 --> 00: 54: 55,250
... better for them
to eliminate it.

927
00: 54: 55,350 --> 00: 54: 57,430
I'm sure that
there are people in the US ...

928
00: 54: 57,550 --> 00: 54: 59,890
... who don't think of the government
did not make a mistake.

929
00: 54: 59,990 --> 00: 55: 03,530
That is not something that is necessary
you worry or care about ...

930
00: 55: 03,630 --> 00: 55: 07,250
... or something that makes you
enthusiastic until it happened to you.

931
00: 55: 07,350 --> 00: 55: 11,410
And that is more dangerous
from all websites ...

932
00: 55: 11,510 --> 00: 55: 14,570
... will be how the government will be
now and the way they operate.

933
00: 55: 14,670 --> 00: 55: 17,910
This goes back to the question how
the government treats the Internet ...

934
00: 55: 18,030 --> 00: 55: 23,070
... differently without
the same court process.

935
00: 55: 23,190 --> 00: 55: 26,110
The Supreme Court proves
that they don't agree.

936
00: 55: 26,350 --> 00: 55: 31,030
With Riley's case against California
for illegal searches on cellphones.

937
00: 55: 31,430 --> 00: 55: 36,730
Precedents can be made to limit
their ability to violate our rights.

938
00: 55: 36,830 --> 00: 55: 41,370
Someone asked how
his political outlook changed.

939
00: 55: 41,470 --> 00: 55: 45,170
Because he suddenly defended Tor, ...

940
00: 55: 45,270 --> 00: 55: 50,290
... Bitcoin, drug war,
online anonymity, and encryption.

941
00: 55: 50,390 --> 00: 55: 53,690
And he learned many things ...

942
00: 55: 53,790 --> 00: 55: 57,370
... not only the legal system
overall but ...

943
00: 55: 57,470 --> 00: 56: 00,590
... everything about technology and cases.

944
00: 56: 02,510 --> 00: 56: 06,610
After more than a year in prison,
Ross suspended the trial for two months ...

945
00: 56: 06,710 --> 00: 56: 10,050
... states that evidence is important
he needed to test ...

946
00: 56: 10,150 --> 00: 56: 13,350
... just sent to him
by prosecutor.

947
00: 56: 13,950 --> 00: 56: 16,770
The FBI closes what is called
as a criminal market ...

948
00: 56: 16,870 --> 00: 56: 19,730
... the most sophisticated on the Internet ...

949
00: 56: 19,830 --> 00: 56: 22,270
... but seems to find
new life.

950
00: 56: 22,430 --> 00: 56: 25,610
Arrest Ross Ulbricht
and closing Silk Road ...

951
00: 56: 25,710 --> 00: 56: 28,690
... can't hinder
drug trafficking on Dark Net.

952
00: 56: 28,790 --> 00: 56: 30,970
Many new markets appear ...

953
00: 56: 31,070 --> 00: 56: 33,970
... including launch
Silk Road returns ...

954
00: 56: 34,070 --> 00: 56: 38,010
... run by someone
called Dread Pirate Roberts.

955
00: 56: 38,110 --> 00: 56: 41,790
And like its predecessor, Silk Road
the second also claims mandate ...

956
00: 56: 41,910 --> 00: 56: 45,370
... to reduce violence
and the dangers of drug transactions.

957
00: 56: 45,470 --> 00: 56: 50,390
Dread Pirate tweeted, "Silk Road below
my supervision will not endanger lives. "

958
00: 56: 50,510 --> 00: 56: 53,970
"If we do it, then we
just like street thugs. "

959
00: 56: 54,070 --> 00: 56: 58,390
The new Dread Pirate Roberts said
that he knows there can't be forever ...

960
00: 56: 58,510 --> 00: 57: 01,490
... and when he leaves,
someone else ...

961
00: 57: 01,590 --> 00: 57: 04,210
... he's sure of someone else
will go forward and fill in the blanks.

962
00: 57: 04,310 --> 00: 57: 07,530
You can catch the person,
but you can't catch the idea.

963
00: 57: 07,630 --> 00: 57: 11,770
At this time, statistics show
that the first Silk Road succeeded ...

964
00: 57: 11,870 --> 00: 57: 15,870
... reduce violence
in drug trafficking.

965
00: 57: 21,789 --> 00: 57: 24,989
When I was in the Baltimore Police Department
the 2000s ...

966
00: 57: 25,109 --> 00: 57: 30,109
... I have two officers
drug dealer killed on the streets.

967
00: 57: 30,509 --> 00: 57: 34,889
And there is a family of seven,
the Dawson family on Preston Street ...

968
00: 57: 34,989 --> 00: 57: 39,789
... they were killed by drug dealers inside
one night. Mother, father and five children.

969
00: 57: 41,549 --> 00: 57: 45,609
And at that time ...

970
00: 57: 45,709 --> 00: 57: 49,869
... I keep thinking about
the violence that happened ...

971
00: 57: 50,229 --> 00: 57: 53,589
... and begin to realize that
Our drug prohibition policy ...

972
00: 57: 53,709 --> 00: 57: 56,489
... contrary to public security.

973
00: 57: 56,589 --> 00: 57: 59,989
The thing I signed ...

974
00: 58: 00,109 --> 00: 58: 03,889
... for the sake of public security in our environment,
instead it makes it worse.

975
00: 58: 03,989 --> 00: 58: 06,989
And I found ...

976
00: 58: 07,109 --> 00: 58: 11,989
... a number of police officers,
judge, prosecutor, ...

977
00: 58: 12,109 --> 00: 58: 16,629
... DEA agents, and FBI
think the same thing.

978
00: 58: 16,749 --> 00: 58: 20,369
If the sale is moved from
street corner to online services ...

979
00: 58: 20,469 --> 00: 58: 22,409
... God, do you know how much
lots of shooting ...

980
00: 58: 22,509 --> 00: 58: 26,729
... which will decrease every year,
which means murder is reduced?

981
00: 58: 26,829 --> 00: 58: 30,109
Number one.
That eliminates the buyer ...

982
00: 58: 30,709 --> 00: 58: 33,389
... from the back alley, street corner, ...

983
00: 58: 33,509 --> 00: 58: 36,949
... and dangerous places
to face the seller.

984
00: 58: 37,069 --> 00: 58: 39,449
Buy over the internet
where will it be sent to you ...

985
00: 58: 39,549 --> 00: 58: 41,209
... delete you from that scenario.

986
00: 58: 41,309 --> 00: 58: 44,749
One interesting thing from the online market ...

987
00: 58: 44,869 --> 00: 58: 47,569
... is making sellers more
responsible to the buyer.

988
00: 58: 47,669 --> 00: 58: 50,509
And very interesting innovation
is a review system ...

989
00: 58: 50,829 --> 00: 58: 54,049
... where buyers can review
their sellers and goods ...

990
00: 58: 54,149 --> 00: 58: 58,009
... that they bought it
from this market.

991
00: 58: 58,109 --> 00: 59: 02,249
And that makes sellers more
responsible and give buyers ...

992
00: 59: 02,349 --> 00: 59: 05,809
... to assess the quality, quality ...

993
00: 59: 05,909 --> 00: 59: 08,529
... purity, and the potential of drugs
they got.

994
00: 59: 08,629 --> 00: 59: 12,389
It makes a transaction
safer for buyers.

995
00: 59: 12,869 --> 00: 59: 16,849
But we closed it.
Trying to close it ...

996
00: 59: 16,949 --> 00: 59: 19,069
... because we won't be able to close it.

997
00: 59: 20,029 --> 00: 59: 23,349
We are in a drug war
since four decades more ...

998
00: 59: 23,469 --> 00: 59: 24,909
...And what happened?

999
00: 59: 25,029 --> 00: 59: 29,309
At first, only cartels and criminals
organized who earn money.

1000
00: 59: 29,589 --> 00: 59: 34,089
Today, they got
322 billion dollars from this industry.

1001
00: 59: 34,189 --> 00: 59: 36,649
Corporate America is now also playing.

1002
00: 59: 36,749 --> 00: 59: 40,629
Private prison.
Corrections Corporation of America.

1003
00: 59: 40,749 --> 00: 59: 46,089
A year ago they gave 675 million dollars
dividends for shareholders.

1004
00: 59: 46,189 --> 00: 59: 50,509
Drug testing company now
become a multi billion dollar industry.

1005
00: 59: 50,789 --> 00: 59: 52,269
And who is tested?

1006
00: 59: 52,389 --> 00: 59: 56,689
Those who are imprisoned or below
control of the criminal justice program ...

1007
00: 59: 56,789 --> 00: 59: 58,109
... our trial period.

1008
00: 59: 58,229 --> 01: 00: 00,249
Become Corporate America
earn a lot of money.

1009
01: 00: 00,349 --> 01: 00: 03,469
What about law enforcement?
Law enforcers earn a lot of money.

1010
1:00: 03,589 --> 01:00: 05,768
1033 government program ...

1011
01: 00: 05,868 --> 01: 00: 09,048
... where we got a vehicle
armored and machine gun ...

1012
01: 00: 09,148 --> 01: 00: 12,668
... and all military equipment
what we need...

1013
01: 00: 12,788 --> 01: 00: 14,168
... all because of a drug war.

1014
01: 00: 14,268 --> 01:00: 16,468
For years we have seen ...

1015
01: 00: 16,588 --> 01: 00: 19,848
... big bureaucracy built
around drug war ...

1016
01: 00: 19,948 --> 01: 00: 22,808
... around the demands of a drug war.
You have a Drug Enforcement Agency.

1017
01: 00: 22,908 --> 01: 00: 25,528
You have an Office of
National Drug Control Policy.

1018
01: 00: 25,628 --> 01: 00: 29,948
So many opponents are rooted
on self-interest ...

1019
01: 00: 30,068 --> 01: 00: 33,168
... among places like FBI and DEA ...

1020
01: 00: 33,268 --> 01:00: 36,508
... where if you ask someone
who worked 30 years at the FBI ...

1021
01: 00: 36,628 --> 01: 00: 40,488
... that drugs are no longer a priority,
it's a real threat to them.

1022
01: 00: 40,588 --> 01: 00: 43,008
It removes the whole
the reason for their existence.

1023
01: 00: 43,108 --> 01: 00: 47,248
You have to think of danger
from these drugs.

1024
01: 00: 47,348 --> 01: 00: 50,808
The danger of being heavily addicted ...

1025
01: 00: 50,908 --> 01: 00: 53,808
... damage that will
family accepted ...

1026
01: 00: 53,908 --> 01:00: 57,668
... and children and careers.

1027
01: 00: 57,788 --> 01: 01: 01,168
And to say that we are
need to back down and expand your view ...

1028
01: 01: 0268 --> 01: 01: 04,368
... that's one path you can take.

1029
01: 01: 04,468 --> 01: 01: 06,348
But you have to see cause and effect.

1030
01: 01: 06,468 --> 01: 01: 10,468
If we do this,
what is the second and third effect?

1031
01: 01: 13348 --> 01: 01: 15,428
FBI, our federal government,
they will enter ...

1032
01: 01: 15,548 --> 01: 01: 19,328
... and close this place. But you know?
A new place will appear.

1033
01: 01: 19,428 --> 01: 01: 21,128
Because there is a lot of money
which can be produced.

1034
01: 01-21,228 --> 01: 01: 25,828
They will continue to open and
it's like a dog chasing its tail.

1035
01: 01: 35,308 --> 01: 01: 39,068
We are a team and we have
work on this together from the start.

1036
01: 01: 40,668 --> 01: 01: 45,328
If it affects me,
Lyn will also be affected ...

1037
01: 01: 45,428 --> 01: 01: 48,468
... but I'm not going out there
and talk to reporters.

1038
01: 01: 48,588 --> 01: 01: 51,508
And we have arranged it like that.

1039
01: 01: 51,628 --> 01: 01: 55,688
Quite difficult if someone is
you love being in prison ...

1040
01: 01: 55,788 --> 01: 02: 00,128
... then all media coverage,
this adds pressure.

1041
01: 02: 00,228 --> 01: 02: 03,288
I have known for a long time that media ...

1042
01: 02: 03,388 --> 01: 02: 07,788
... does not present the whole story.
The news is biased.

1043
01: 02: 08,188 --> 01: 02: 14,188
I saw Lyn and
myself against that.

1044
01: 02: 15,988 --> 01: 02: 20,108
Ross has been there for a year
and he avoids all violence ...

1045
01: 02: 20,228 --> 01: 02: 22,728
... even though it is around him.

1046
01: 02: 22,828 --> 01: 02: 25,588
That's what matured it.

1047
01: 02: 26,188 --> 01: 02: 31,308
He came out without injury,
can still talk.

1048
01: 02: 31,748 --> 01: 02: 35,508
He looks serious.
There is a lot at stake.

1049
01: 02: 35,628 --> 01: 02: 39,428
He feels good because of it
we got an extension.

1050
01: 02: 39,548 --> 01: 02: 42,228
He has mountainous problems
that must be passed ...

1051
01: 02: 42,348 --> 01: 02: 45,548
... and I feel
he is running out of time.

1052
01: 02: 45,788 --> 01: 02: 48,788
And now we are given an additional two months ...

1053
01: 02: 48,908 --> 01: 02: 51,407
... he said it was very "necessary."

1054
01: 02: 51,507 --> 01: 02: 53,967
So I think he feels ...

1055
01: 02: 54,067 --> 01: 02: 57,187
... more ready and ready.

1056
01: 02: 57,387 --> 01: 03: 01,827
He said he was ready for the court.
He is ready to enter and win.

1057
01: 03: 03,947 --> 01: 03: 07,147
I also become
getting older this year.

1058
01: 03: 07,267 --> 01: 03: 12,067
Adult in mind
regarding ethics and politics.

1059
01: 03: 12,587 --> 01: 03: 17,747
When I'm more aware of what
drug war ...

1060
01: 03: 17,867 --> 01: 03: 19,527
... tragedy in it.

1061
01: 03: 19,627 --> 01: 03: 23,627
So many people have become
victim of drug war.

1062
01: 03: 23,747 --> 01: 03: 27,987
That's a big mess
and that needs to be told.

1063
01: 03: 28,107 --> 01: 03: 32,787
And we have a pulpit
to tell it.

1064
01: 03: 32,907 --> 01: 03: 36,407
Very strange to do
all this and this ...

1065
01: 03: 36,507 --> 01: 03: 38,727
... annoying and challenging ...

1066
01: 03: 38,827 --> 01: 03: 41,767
... and you want to do the right thing,
and then it's all about Ross.

1067
01: 03: 41,867 --> 01: 03: 44,887
Then we go see it,
hug him, talk to him, ...

1068
01: 03: 44,987 --> 01: 03: 48,207
... and hold his hand
and that is Ross.

1069
01: 03: 48,307 --> 01: 03: 52,307
That's like breaking and
it's really hard to see it in there.

1070
01: 03: 58,227 --> 01: 04: 01,687
Being in prison, visiting him.
That's the most emotional experience ...

1071
01: 04: 01,787 --> 01: 04: 05,127
... because there are other families there ...

1072
01: 04: 05,227 --> 01: 04: 09,007
... and they have to see people
they love one hour a week.

1073
01: 04: 09,107 --> 01: 04: 11,407
And they dissolve in it.

1074
01: 04: 11,507 --> 01: 04: 14,407
And you are in the room
filled with 150 people ...

1075
01: 04: 14,507 --> 01: 04: 16,967
... sitting side by side, crowded.

1076
01: 04: 17,067 --> 01: 04: 20,627
And there are all these emotions ...

1077
01: 04: 20,747 --> 01: 04: 23,067
... saturate the atmosphere.

1078
01: 04: 34,427 --> 01: 04: 37,907
The prisoners feel isolated.

1079
01: 04: 38,587 --> 01: 04: 42,027
But when someone
loved ones visit ...

1080
01: 04: 42,147 --> 01: 04: 46,747
... there's no sense of isolation at all.

1081
01: 04: 47,827 --> 01: 04: 52,227
We are only 150 people
whose heart is grieving.

1082
01: 05: 0747 --> 01: 05: 10,607
Of all Snowden's disclosures
that has come out until now ...

1083
01: 05: 10,707 --> 01: 05: 13,487
... one that will have
the biggest long-term impact ...

1084
01: 05: 13,587 --> 01: 05: 16,727
... is a statement that
NSA has violated ...

1085
01: 05: 16,827 --> 01: 05: 19,787
... cryptographic standards and make
The internet is becoming less secure.

1086
01: 05: 20,147 --> 01: 05: 22,107
Disclosures, articles, ...

1087
01: 05: 22,227 --> 01: 05: 25,487
... has radicalized
a new generation of cryptographers.

1088
01: 05: 25,587 --> 01: 05: 27,567
A new generation of computer scientists ...

1089
01: 05: 27,667 --> 01: 05: 30,927
... who now intends to build
tools and services ...

1090
01: 05: 31,027 --> 01: 05: 34,307
... which can hold the breadth
government supervision.

1091
01: 05: 34,507 --> 01: 05: 38,246
Did you see our wireless
from Barclay Bank?

1092
01: 05: 38,346 --> 01: 05: 40,786
They are like Bitcoin,
so they support our work.

1093
01: 05: 40,906 --> 01: 05: 44,986
They provide
Free Wi-Fi from the bank.

1094
01: 05: 47,106 --> 01: 05: 49,266
In the fall of 2014, ...

1095
01: 05: 49,386 --> 01: 05: 51,606
... when Ross prepares for his trial, ...

1096
01: 05: 51,706 --> 01: 05: 54,066
... a group of hackers,
programmer, and activist ...

1097
01: 05: 54,186 --> 01: 05: 56,826
... meet in the center of London.

1098
01: 05: 57,066 --> 01: 06: 00,326
This meeting represents
the next wave of Dark Net ...

1099
01: 06: 00,426 --> 01: 06: 03,246
... develop cryptographic tools
new and developing ...

1100
01: 06: 03,346 --> 01: 06: 05,966
... which won't be easily stopped.

1101
01: 06: 06,066 --> 01: 06: 07,946
Open source is so strong.

1102
01: 06: 08,066 --> 01: 06: 11,566
Open source is responsible
on WikiLeaks, Wikipedia, Linux, ...

1103
01: 06: 11,666 --> 01: 06: 16,446
... which runs all our means,
over Firefox, BitTorrent, ...

1104
01: 06: 16,546 --> 01: 06: 19,666
... Bitcoin, for all ...
over encryption ...

1105
01: 06: 19,786 --> 01: 06: 23,306
... for all useful technologies,
not an application ...

1106
01: 06: 23,426 --> 01: 06: 26,726
... Angry Birds or stupid application that ...

1107
01: 06: 26,826 --> 01: 06: 28,426
... made by these people.

1108
01: 06: 28,546 --> 01: 06: 33,206
Open source is also an example of how
we can arrange it economically, ...

1109
01: 06: 33,306 --> 01: 06: 36,806
... an example for the future,
to make the products we need ...

1110
01: 06: 36,906 --> 01: 06: 39,506
... without the need for ownership industries.

1111
01: 06: 39,626 --> 01: 06: 42,326
No need for supervision.

1112
01: 06: 42,426 --> 01: 06: 46,706
No need for an employer,
slaves, and caregivers.

1113
01: 06: 47,226 --> 01: 06: 51,086
Not enough if you only build
tools for protecting privacy.

1114
01: 06: 51,186 --> 01: 06: 54,646
Not enough if just writing
revolutionary research papers ...

1115
01: 06: 54,746 --> 01: 06: 58,066
... and cryptographic design
outstanding.

1116
01: 06: 58,186 --> 01: 07: 00,806
You have to hand it over
into the hands of users.

1117
01: 07: 00,906 --> 01: 07: 03,946
And I guess in the future,
what you will find is ...

1118
01: 07: 04,066 --> 01: 07: 08,446
... tools like Tor, OTR, PGP, Bitcoin ...

1119
01: 07: 08,546 --> 01: 07: 11,326
... will be made into service
and the application that you use ...

1120
01: 07: 11,426 --> 01: 07: 13,966
... and you won't know
that it is there.

1121
01: 07: 14,066 --> 01: 07: 18,326
We want to empower individuals,
protect small people.

1122
01: 07: 18,426 --> 01: 07: 21,046
We have mistrust
at the central authority.

1123
01: 07: 21,146 --> 01: 07: 23,346
We believe in freedom of information.

1124
01: 07: 23,466 --> 01: 07: 27,766
First, we have a drug market
centralized, Silk Road.

1125
01: 07: 27,866 --> 01: 07: 30,026
The government comes and closes it.

1126
01: 07: 30,226 --> 01: 07: 33,606
Then dozens of sites appeared ...

1127
01: 07: 33,706 --> 01: 07: 35,786
... the drug market is centralized.

1128
01: 07: 35,906 --> 01: 07: 39,846
And again, they close one
and dozens more.

1129
01: 07: 39,946 --> 01: 07: 42,986
And now we enter the realm
decentralized drug market ...

1130
01: 07: 43,106 --> 01: 07: 45,966
... without an operator center,
unattended.

1131
01: 07: 46,066 --> 01: 07: 47,586
What will they do?

1132
01: 07: 50,266 --> 01: 07: 52,366
They will continue to do this ...

1133
01: 07: 52,466 --> 01: 07: 54,586
... even though the network is distributed ...

1134
01: 07: 54,906 --> 01: 07: 58,126
... cooperation continues to be carried out by ...

1135
01: 07: 58,226 --> 01: 08: 00,186
... countries and institutions
local law enforcement.

1136
01: 08: 00,506 --> 01: 08: 03,066
And they hold people every week.

1137
01: 08: 03,546 --> 01: 08: 06,346
On November 6, 2014 ...

1138
01: 08: 06,466 --> 01: 08: 08,586
... law enforcement agencies
all over the world ...

1139
01: 08: 08,706 --> 01: 08: 12,006
... start a coordinated effort
called "Onymous Operation", ...

1140
01: 08: 12,106 --> 01: 08: 16,406
... confiscating hundreds of Dark Net sites,
including the new Silk Road.

1141
01: 08: 16,506 --> 01: 08: 19,266
Bruce Schneier, the cryptographer
once told me ...

1142
01: 08: 19,626 --> 01: 08: 22,245
"In this cat and mouse game,
in the end the mouse will win ... "

1143
01: 08: 22,345 --> 01: 08: 26,985
"... but cats will be fed well."
I think that's the picture.

1144
01: 08: 27,945 --> 01: 08: 30,445
This game will continue.

1145
01: 08: 30,545 --> 01: 08: 33,665
They always react to us ...

1146
01: 08: 36,465 --> 01: 08: 37,325
... which is fine.

1147
01: 08: 37,425 --> 01: 08: 39,645
But when they react
and they hold back ...

1148
01: 08: 39,745 --> 01: 08: 43,565
... and they realize, "This is a new defense,
you won't pass this. "

1149
01: 08: 43,665 --> 01: 08: 46,205
We will just sit there,
accept it, and get around it again.

1150
01: 08: 46,305 --> 01: 08: 49,625
We will always win.

1151
01: 08: 50,145 --> 01: 08: 51,925
There are reasons why
Silk Road is very strong.

1152
01: 08: 52,025 --> 01: 08: 54,785
And I know cryptographers are now
wrote a kind of automatic Silk Road ...

1153
01: 08: 54,905 --> 01: 08: 55,985
... and Amir helped this.

1154
01: 08: 56,105 --> 01: 08: 59,425
This is a peer-to-peer model where
there isn't one individual admin.

1155
01: 08: 59,785 --> 01: 09: 03,025
And see that as a weak point,
technically, this is all true.

1156
01: 09: 03,145 --> 01: 09: 05,425
But there is something like ...

1157
01: 09: 05,545 --> 01: 09: 08,225
I don't want to call him a hero, sort of ...

1158
01: 09: 09,225 --> 01: 09: 11,305
I don't want to call him a hero.
But...

1159
01: 09: 11,425 --> 01: 09: 13,865
The DPR knows what is at stake ...

1160
01: 09: 13,985 --> 01: 09: 17,685
... and he is willing to do that
libertarians won't do ...

1161
01: 09: 17,785 --> 01: 09: 19,925
... because he really meant about ...

1162
01: 09: 20,025 --> 01: 09: 22,825
... what does Silk Road mean?

1163
01: 09: 24,025 --> 01: 09: 25,725
Three weeks before the trial ...

1164
01: 09: 25,825 --> 01: 09: 29,085
... the issue of Leasing Murder
suddenly appeared again.

1165
01: 09: 18,185 --> 01: 09: 32,165
The prosecutor announced
that because of this accusation ...

1166
01: 09: 32,265 --> 01: 09: 36,565
... they don't allow Ross's defenders
knowing the identity of their witnesses.

1167
01: 09: 36,665 --> 01: 09: 39,405
Defenders respond,
This Crime Without Allegation ...

1168
01: 09: 39,505 --> 01: 09: 41,265
... harm them.

1169
01: 09: 42,225 --> 01: 09: 45,585
While the examination was held
to solve this problem.

1170
1: 09: 48,185 --> 01: 09: 52,085
The judge decided that several witnesses
will not be notified to the defense ...

1171
01: 09: 52,185 --> 01: 09: 54,465
... until right before the trial.

1172
01: 09: 54,905 --> 01: 09: 59,025
Based on the judge's words,
Ross can threaten ...

1173
01: 09: 59,145 --> 01: 10: 03,305
... or kill people from prison.

1174
01: 10: 11,945 --> 01: 10: 15,145
The first time this happened,
maybe you can still ...

1175
01: 10: 15,265 --> 01: 10: 19,025
... said that this man is a murderer
and only seek their own benefit.

1176
01: 10: 19,145 --> 01: 10: 23,345
He ignored the sense of humanity.

1177
01: 10: 23,465 --> 01: 10: 26,425
We better stamp this man
as a killer figure rather than ...

1178
01: 10: 26,545 --> 01: 10: 30,105
... a drug war martyr.
I think that's a good plan.

1179
01: 10: 30,425 --> 01: 10: 33,865
I think it will be difficult for
get a fair trial.

1180
01: 10: 33,985 --> 01: 10: 38,125
If you are innocent until proven,
then with all the evidence ...

1181
01: 10: 38,225 --> 01: 10: 41,805
... and all stories,
I think it will be very difficult ...

1182
01: 10: 41,905 --> 01: 10: 48,065
... to find someone who is
not affected by all this.

1183
01: 11: 02,265 --> 01: 11: 05,925
The day before the trial,
Ross gave a written statement.

1184
01: 11: 06,025 --> 01: 11: 10,024
That is the only statement
that can be obtained so far.

1185
01: 11: 11,104 --> 01: 11: 16,704
Throughout my adult life,
I try to stay positive ...

1186
01: 11: 19,544 --> 01: 11: 24,664
... and that's the most important thing
to do now.

1187
01: 11: 27,304 --> 01: 11: 32,104
I fight a very strong enemy.

1188
01: 11: 35,624 --> 01: 11: 39,104
Easy to think ...

1189
01: 11: 42,384 --> 01: 11: 45,664
... that everything is in vain
and there is no hope.

1190
01: 11: 52,224 --> 01: 11: 54,624
But actually it's not.

1191
01: 11: 56,424 --> 01: 11: 59,344
All of that is not in vain.

1192
01: 12: 04,464 --> 01: 12: 04,064
I will not give up ...

1193
01: 12: 06,184 --> 01: 12: 10,144
... to be free again.

1194
01: 12: 24,384 --> 01: 12: 27,324
Ross Ulbricht is on trial today. The jury will
decide which case can affect ...

1195
01: 12: 27,424 --> 01: 12: 29,584
- ... the future of Internet security.
- Good night.

1196
01: 12: 29,704 --> 01: 12: 33,324
The argument opened today,
and the first witness appeared ...

1197
01: 12: 33,424 --> 01: 12: 35,784
... and just finished
a few minutes ago.

1198
01: 12: 35,904 --> 01: 12: 39,184
Special agent for HSI ...

1199
01: 12: 39,304 --> 01: 12: 43,904
... who testified to say,
"Thousands of drug envelopes ..."

1200
01: 12: 46,104 --> 01: 12: 48,984
I think everyone is surprised to see
Ross Ulbricht and his lawyer ...

1201
01: 12: 49,104 --> 01: 12: 51,884
... attended this trial from the start
instead of making an agreement ...

1202
01: 12: 51,984 --> 01: 12: 55,124
... which everyone thinks.
And today, we see why ...

1203
01: 12: 55,224 --> 01: 12: 59,364
... where we see
interesting alternative story ...

1204
01: 12: 59,464 --> 01: 13: 01,904
... how about the whole
this case has been played.

1205
01: 13: 02,024 --> 01: 13: 06,104
The story that Dratel said
that Ross created Silk Road ...

1206
01: 13: 06,224 --> 01: 13: 08,044
...which is
awesome initial recognition ...

1207
01: 13: 08,144 --> 01: 13: 12,264
... and the original Silk Road operator,
Pirate Roberts Dread traps him.

1208
01: 13: 12,384 --> 01: 13: 15,884
This is a theory I've never heard of ...

1209
01: 13: 15,984 --> 01: 13: 19,984
... that instead of Ross being
Pirate Roberts Dread, he was even framed.

1210
01: 13: 20,864 --> 01: 13: 23,524
However, this is something that should be
I thought before ...

1211
1:13: 23,624 --> 01: 13: 27,024
... because that's what Dread Pirate said
Roberts when I interviewed him ...

1212
01: 13: 27,144 --> 01: 13: 30,684
... in July 2013 that
he did not create Silk Road.

1213
01: 13: 30,784 --> 01: 13: 35,344
He inherited it from its creator,
some kind of business acquisition.

1214
01:13: 35,624 --> 01: 13: 39,264
The FBI told me
that Ross Ulbricht tricked me.

1215
01: 13: 39,384 --> 01: 13: 43,064
If that is a lie then it is necessary
a lot of planning ahead ...

1216
01: 13: 43,184 --> 01: 13: 48,344
... like a chess game.

1217
01: 13: 49,304 --> 01: 13: 52,804
On the first day of the trial,
claimants present evidence ...

1218
01: 13: 52,904 --> 01: 13: 57,603
... Ross keeps records on the laptop
explained his involvement on Silk Road ...

1219
01: 13: 57,703 --> 01: 14: 01,363
... and Bitcoin that was confiscated from
the laptop came from the site.

1220
01: 14: 01,463 --> 01: 14: 04,523
While defenders argue
that Ross left Silk Road ...

1221
01: 14: 04,623 --> 01: 14: 09,583
... after creating it and notes
and Bitcoin is inserted into the laptop.

1222
01: 14: 09,703 --> 01: 14: 11,763
Andy, you interviewed
Pirate Roberts Dread.

1223
01: 14: 11,863 --> 01: 14: 15,803
What proof is connecting
Dread Pirate Roberts on Ulbricht?

1224
01: 14: 15,903 --> 01: 14: 18,803
In the first week of the trial,
which is still running ...

1225
01: 14: 18,903 --> 01: 14: 21,543
... we see the prosecutor
have a strong case.

1226
01: 14: 21,663 --> 01: 14: 24,203
They confiscated his laptop and
find the note he kept.

1227
01: 14: 24,303 --> 01: 14: 26,983
If that's really Ulbricht's note.
His defense does not justify.

1228
01: 14: 27,103 --> 01: 14: 29,643
He documents the administration
this site for years.

1229
01: 14: 29,743 --> 01: 14: 31,343
He has a record of daily activities.

1230
01: 14: 31,663 --> 01: 14: 34,303
So this is a strong case
which makes it difficult ...

1231
01: 14: 34,423 --> 01: 14: 36,523
... Ulbricht to fight it.

1232
01: 14: 36,623 --> 01: 14: 38,523
Inside the Deep Web ...

1233
01: 14: 38,623 --> 01: 14: 42,683
... we have an area where this young man,
according to the government, ...

1234
01: 14: 42,783 --> 01: 14: 45,323
... has made a decision
that he will run ...

1235
01: 14: 45,423 --> 01: 14: 49,923
... the kingdom of illegal drugs
and we have to stop you ...

1236
01: 14: 50,023 --> 01: 14: 54,223
... sue you quickly
and give you punishment.

1237
01: 14: 55,463 --> 01: 14: 59,423
As the trial continues, Dratel plans
uncover evidence of the government ...

1238
01: 14: 59,543 --> 01: 15: 03,623
... which shows they are suspicious
some people run Silk Road.

1239
01: 15: 03,823 --> 01: 15: 07,183
During cross checking
with DHS agent Der-Yeghiayan, ...

1240
01:15: 07,303 --> 01: 15: 11,203
... Dratel explained that the agent
have long suspected other people ...

1241
01:15: 11,303 --> 01:15: 13,263
... as Dread Pirate Roberts ...

1242
01: 15: 13,383 --> 01: 15: 16,303
... trying to find a warrant
for this suspect.

1243
01: 15: 16,903 --> 01:15: 19,843
Prosecutors questioned
whole statement ...

1244
01:15: 19,943 --> 01:15: 21,683
... on the basis of that
it's just hearsay.

1245
01: 15: 21,783 --> 01:15: 25,383
The judge sided with the prosecutor and
Dratel is no longer allowed ...

1246
01: 15: 25,503 --> 01:15: 28,563
... to ask government witnesses
regarding alternative suspects ...

1247
01: 15: 28,663 --> 01: 15: 31,183
... that came from
proof of the government itself.

1248
01: 15: 31,303 --> 01: 15: 34,243
When it's Dratel time
explained his defense ...

1249
01: 15: 34,343 --> 01:15: 36,163
... he intends to use expert witnesses ...

1250
01: 15: 36,263 --> 01:15: 40,383
... to explain complex technology
behind encryption and cryptographic currencies ...

1251
01: 15: 40,503 --> 01: 15: 44,963
... that proves that note
and Bitcoin does not belong to Ross.

1252
01: 15: 45,063 --> 01: 15: 47,323
The prosecutor objected
for the witness ...

1253
01: 15: 47,423 --> 01:15: 49,983
... claiming that it should
notified before the trial ...

1254
01: 15: 50,103 --> 01: 15: 53,643
... and they don't need to
explain to the jury.

1255
01: 15: 53,743 --> 01: 15: 56,303
Once again, the judge sided with the prosecutor ...

1256
01: 15: 56,423 --> 01: 16: 00,343
... which states that the case is not
need special knowledge.

1257
01: 16: 00,703 --> 01: 16: 03,123
Without expert witnesses and unable to pursue ...

1258
01: 16: 03,223 --> 01: 16: 05,923
... proof of the government itself
on the suspicion of another DPR ...

1259
01: 16: 06,023 --> 01: 16: 09,763
... all of Dratel's defense was blocked.

1260
01: 16: 09,863 --> 01: 16: 13,223
The trial ended abruptly the next day.

1261
01: 16: 19,023 --> 01: 16: 23,183
Trial Ross Ulbricht raises
more questions.

1262
01: 16: 23,303 --> 01: 16: 27,643
Do we really know
the whole truth of the Silk Road case?

1263
01: 16: 27,743 --> 01: 16: 30,243
Is this case a role model
search without mail ...

1264
01: 16: 30,343 --> 01: 16: 32,723
... on digital property of Americans?

1265
01: 16: 32,823 --> 01: 16: 36,543
Whatever the end result,
it's clear that the fall of the Silk Road ...

1266
01: 16: 36,663 --> 01: 16: 39,462
... is not an end,
but a beginning.

1267
01: 16: 39,782 --> 01: 16: 44,002
And movement to make tools
and services for online privacy ...

1268
01: 16: 44,102 --> 01: 16: 46,022
... getting stronger.

1269
01: 16: 46,142 --> 01: 16: 48,282
The Silk Road trial
masterminded by Ross Ulbricht ...

1270
01: 16: 48,382 --> 01: 16: 51,362
... concluded that the jury stated
he was guilty of seven different charges ...

1271
01: 16: 51,462 --> 01: 16: 55,242
... including three drug charges as well
computer hacking, money laundering ...

1272
01: 16: 55,342 --> 01: 16: 59,182
... even the charges become
kingpin of a criminal company.

1273
01: 16: 59,382 --> 01: 17: 01,922
Ulbricht faces
30 years minimum prison ...

1274
01: 17: 02,022 --> 01: 17: 04,222
... but the defenders plan
appeal against this decision.

1275
01: 17: 04,342 --> 01: 17: 06,242
Anyone here, all of us, ...

1276
01: 17: 06,342 --> 01: 17: 10,262
... will be judged by things
not related to the real world.

1277
01: 17: 10,502 --> 01: 17: 12,602
But related to the Internet ...

1278
01: 17: 12,702 --> 01: 17: 16,682
... for the things we change,
codify, edit, move, hack.

1279
01: 17: 16,782 --> 01: 17: 19,382
- Is this a fair trial?
- I do not think so.

1280
01: 17: 21,582 --> 01: 17: 25,882
As per the decision read,
the word "guilty" is pronounced seven times.

1281
01: 17: 25,982 --> 01: 17: 29,802
Ross just looked forward.
I don't know what his face meant.

1282
01: 17: 29,902 --> 01: 17: 32,522
Then he turned away
to see his family ...

1283
01: 17: 32,622 --> 01: 17: 35,962
... and he smiled steadily but was heartbreaking.

1284
01: 17: 36,062 --> 01: 17: 39,542
And he doesn't cry,
but he just blinks ...

1285
01: 17: 39,662 --> 01: 17: 41,922
... blinking firmly.

1286
01: 17: 42,022 --> 01: 17: 43,742
And...

1287
01: 17: 44,542 --> 01: 17: 48,582
... when he was taken away, his mother said,
"This is not the end."

1288
01: 17: 49,262 --> 01: 17: 52,302
That is all.

1289
01: 17: 55,942 --> 01: 17: 58,782
The evidence against Ulbricht is very strong ...

1290
01: 17: 58,902 --> 01: 18: 02,762
... and the Dratel strategy for
cross check government witnesses ...

1291
01: 18: 02,862 --> 01: 18: 06,182
... and draw alternative conclusions
from the examination.

1292
01: 18: 06,302 --> 01: 18: 08,782
And when the judge stopped him
and say...

1293
01: 18: 08,902 --> 01: 18: 13,482
... you have to limit cross examination
within the scope of the government ...

1294
01: 18: 13,582 --> 01: 18: 19,542
... which prevented him from explaining
another story.

1295
01: 18: 22,662 --> 01: 18: 26,602
We have a far perspective
stronger than the whole world.

1296
01: 18: 26,702 --> 01: 18: 31,242
We have a meeting with
Josh several years and three months ...

1297
01: 18: 31,342 --> 01: 18: 32,582
... ordinary meeting.

1298
01: 18: 32,702 --> 01: 18: 37,342
We knew he felt he would win
case in cross examination.

1299
01: 18: 38,022 --> 01: 18: 43,822
We know the government is banning witnesses.

1300
01: 18: 44,862 --> 01: 18: 49,982
We are in the courtroom,
we saw what happened and ...

1301
01: 18: 50,422 --> 01: 18: 54,142
... a joke that ...

1302
01: 18: 54,702 --> 01: 18: 56,942
... interfering with the trial.

1303
01: 18: 57,062 --> 01: 19: 01,662
There are 5,000 pages of proof of government
for one witness ...

1304
01: 19: 01,782 --> 01: 19: 05,082
... Jarod Der-Yeghiayan.
None is permitted.

1305
01: 19: 05,182 --> 01: 19: 08,822
5,000 pages and just thrown away
ten days before the trial.

1306
1: 19: 08,942 --> 01: 19: 14,022
2,500 pages for other witnesses
discarded a week before the trial.

1307
01: 19: 14,142 --> 01: 19: 18,862
And it is full of evidence
which relieves Ross ...

1308
1: 19: 18,982 --> 01: 19: 21,122
... which is not allowed to be used.

1309
01: 19: 21,222 --> 01: 19: 25,881
All this much evidence ...

1310
01: 19: 25,981 --> 01: 19: 31,101
... consisting of 3,000 ingredients,
a week before the trial, that ...

1311
01: 19: 31,941 --> 01: 19: 34,081
... can help prove it
Ross's innocence ...

1312
01: 19: 34,181 --> 01: 19: 38,481
... not allowed
into the courtroom.

1313
01: 19: 38,581 --> 01: 19: 41,701
That would be a different case.
This trial will not happen.

1314
01: 19: 41,821 --> 01: 19: 44,261
That won't happen because ...

1315
01: 19: 44,381 --> 01: 19: 49,421
... just the claimant's story
we heard.

1316
01: 19: 52,541 --> 01: 19: 54,941
Then what about
hacking Silk Road server?

1317
01: 19: 55,061 --> 01: 19: 57,241
What about the case precedent issue?

1318
01: 19: 57,341 --> 01:20: 01,741
We haven't heard it yet.
We haven't heard ...

1319
01: 20: 01,861 --> 01: 20: 03,981
... the FBI said how ...

1320
01: 20: 04,101 --> 01: 20: 07,281
... and we just decided
what is legal or illegal.

1321
01: 20: 07,381 --> 01: 20: 10,341
Maybe that's the most confusing thing
from a legal standpoint ...

1322
01: 20: 10,461 --> 01:20: 15,241
... namely American law enforcement
hacking overseas servers ...

1323
01: 20: 15,341 --> 01:20: 17,721
... and they don't have
warrant...

1324
01: 20: 17,821 --> 01: 20: 21,561
... and they are free from that
and no ...

1325
01: 20: 21,661 --> 01:20: 24,761
... whoever asked that.

1326
01: 20: 24,861 --> 01:20: 27,921
- How about Ross through this?
- She's an amazing child.

1327
01: 20: 28,021 --> 01:20: 31,141
He handled this better than me.

1328
01: 20: 31,261 --> 01: 20: 34,701
I don't know what I can
if in his position ...

1329
01: 20: 34,821 --> 01: 20: 38,581
... and become the subject of conversation
several years.

1330
01: 20: 38,861 --> 01:20: 41,301
And we pray that ...

1331
01: 20: 41,861 --> 01: 20: 44,621
... his spirit won't
destroyed because of this.

1332
01: 20: 46,301 --> 01: 20: 48,221
Looks at Ross's understanding of Silk Road, ...

1333
01: 20: 48,341 --> 01:20: 51,141
... and run the site.

1334
01: 20: 51,261 --> 01:20: 54,081
I really accept
the government has done that.

1335
01: 20: 54,181 --> 01: 20: 58,501
But Ross Ulbricht is
interesting character.

1336
01: 20: 58,621 --> 01: 21: 00,601
He found this smart idea.

1337
01: 21: 00,701 --> 01: 21: 03,161
He has principles.
He is not just a cyber criminal.

1338
01: 21: 03,261 --> 01: 21: 07,641
He is not just a drug kingpin
as people say.

1339
01: 21: 07,741 --> 01: 21: 10,121
He is also an idealist.

1340
1: 21: 10,221 --> 01: 21: 13,861
And my thinking becomes
contrary between ...

1341
01: 21: 13,981 --> 01: 21: 16,581
... virtues on Silk Road
and Ross Ulbricht as a human ...

1342
01: 21: 16,701 --> 01: 21: 18,281
I think for the rest of my life.

1343
01: 21: 18,381 --> 01: 21: 21,301
I won't be able to
sum up all this.

1344
01: 21: 23,621 --> 01: 21: 26,521
On March 25, 2015,
criminal complaint filed ...

1345
1: 21: 26,621 --> 01: 21: 30,571
... over two former federal agents
lead the Silk Road task force in Baltimore.

1346
01: 21: 30,671 --> 01: 21: 34,301
Among other complaints, this agent is suspected
steal a million dollars more Bitcoin ...

1347
01: 21: 34,401 --> 01: 21: 37,761
... from Silk Road and transferred
to their personal account.

1348
01: 21: 38,281 --> 01: 21: 41,841
The government does not allow
Ulbricht's defender ...

1349
1: 21: 41,941 --> 01: 21: 46,581
...to discuss
this criminal investigation during the trial.

1350
01: 21: 47,931 --> 01: 21: 51,171
On May 29, 2015, Ross Ulbricht
sentenced to life in prison ...

1351
01: 21: 51,291 --> 01: 21: 54,911
... without possibility
parole.

1352
01: 22: 02,311 --> 01: 22: 04,791
I have no idea. Anymore question
or do we finish it?

1353
01: 22: 04,911 --> 01: 22: 10,991
Yes. What would you do
next five years?

1354
01: 22: 11,551 --> 01: 22: 13,511
In one sentence.

1355
01: 22: 25,350 --> 01: 22: 28,510
I'll do a few things,
being one sentence is not enough.

1356
01: 22: 28,630 --> 01: 22: 32,630
But I want to start a family
next five years.

1357
01: 22: 32,750 --> 01: 22: 34,430
Nice. OK.

1358
01: 22: 34,670 --> 01: 22: 36,430
And...

1359
01: 22: 36,550 --> 01: 22: 39,930
And get acquainted with
other friends ...

1360
01: 22: 40,030 --> 01: 22: 42,730
... and close to
the people I love.

1361
01: 22: 42,830 --> 01: 22: 45,110
Yes. Focus on...

1362
01: 22: 46,510 --> 01: 22: 48,630
...human relationship.

1363
01: 22: 49,070 --> 01: 22: 52,950
And 20 years?

1364
01: 22: 53,950 --> 01: 22: 56,110
20 years.

1365
01: 22: 58,110 --> 01: 23: 00,450
I want to have ...

1366
01: 23: 00,550 --> 01: 23: 04,630
... a big positive impact
for the future of humanity.

1367
01: 23: 04,750 --> 01: 23: 06,490
Do you think you will live forever?

1368
01: 23: 06,590 --> 01: 23: 08,670
I think that's possible.

1369
01: 23: 09,310 --> 01: 23: 12,830
Really. I think I might
live forever in several forms ...

1370
01: 23: 12,950 --> 01: 23: 16,430
... with the rapid development of technology.

1371
01: 23: 17,510 --> 01: 23: 20,150
Cool I wish I was there.

1372
01: 23: 21,830 --> 01: 23: 23,550
Nice.

1373
01: 23: 24,690 --> 01: 23: 28,830
One day, we can be the lighthouse
shining from the hopes of oppressed people ...

1374
01: 23: 28,930 --> 01: 23: 33,350
... just like the oppressed and hurt souls
who have found shelter here.

1375
01: 23: 33,450 --> 01: 23: 35,650
Will it happen overnight?
Not.

1376
01: 23: 35,750 --> 01: 23: 38,530
Will that happen for life?
I do not know.

1377
01: 23: 38,630 --> 01: 23: 42,430
Is this worth fighting for until the end of my life?
Of course.

1378
01: 23: 42,530 --> 01: 23: 46,748
When you see what's possible,
how can you do the opposite?

1379
01: 23: 51,473 --> 01: 26: 21,473