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Subtitles by explosiveskull

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I still think that
it's accurate to say I've

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murdered more people on film
than any actor in history.

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Unless somebody can dispute
that, but I doubt it.

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And if you do, I'll
fucking kill you.

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You know, I'm not sure
why I enjoy horror

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so much, but I really
do and I always have.

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People like to be
scared when it's in

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the safety of their
own home or a theater.

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They don't really have
to take it with them,

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but sometimes I think
the most effective

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horror movies are
ones that you do

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in fact take out
of the theater in

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your mind and it stays with you.

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We don't address death.

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And I remember
thinking I was gonna

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live forever when
I was young too.

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I think I can't believe I lived

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through some of the
adventures I had.

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The horror movie makes
us confront death.

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It's one of the
few places we do.

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You certainly don't do it
in America's Got Talent

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or Dancing with the
Stars or The Kardashians,

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but you do deal with
death in a horror movie.

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And if you go to a
horror movie, if you sit

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in the dark with other
people, there's a

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collective catharsis
that's in the air

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and the energy in the the air.

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It's a really great experience.

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Kinda like riding
a rollercoaster,

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you know the big hill
is coming and you know

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you're gonna be rushing down
it, but you still do it.

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It's this great
thing that can happen,

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and you share it,
and you share that

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moment of really confronting
your own mortality.

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I think that's really
the key and really

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why the horror movie
will always be with us,

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it's the place to do
that a little bit.

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I think a lot of
people get labeled

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horror icons because
they happen to

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play a role in a
film that ended up

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gaining a lot of
notoriety or becoming

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a franchise or
whatever it may be.

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Well Kane actually
legitimately loves this stuff,

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and I think the fact that,
look, he played Jason,

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and Jason is a huge
character, but he really

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held the torch for
Jason for a long time.

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He was doing the
conventions, the other

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guys weren't, not at that time.

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It's kinda ironic
'cause you meet a lot

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of these people who
play heroes and people

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who play bad guys,
most of the people that

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I've met who play
heroes are assholes

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and most of the people who play

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really bad people are nice guy.

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It's kinda funny.

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What I admire about
what Kane has done

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is Kane has
transcended the role.

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He is Kane.

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He has made a brand
name for himself.

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Kane Hodder, plus it's
just a cool kickass name.

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Kane being the
Hawaiian word for man.

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I think it's kinda
cool considering

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I grew up in the South Pacific,

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my first name is really
Hawaiian, because a lot

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of people think it's not
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a stage name or something,
but it really is my real name.

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The island of
Kwajalein in the Pacific

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where an anti-ballistic missile
system is being perfected.

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This artist conception shows a

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typical operating missile site

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whose job will be
to guard against any

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possible nuclear attack
from Communist China.

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I met Kane in 1971.

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We both lived on an
island called Kwajalein.

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Both of our parents
were assigned there.

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It's a military base and they

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had other companies
out there for support.

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It was just an
amazing place to live.

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An oasis in the
real world really.

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I played all kinds of sports.

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The tough thing with playing
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that we had to play in men's
leagues in every sport.

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When you're 16 playing
varsity basketball

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against a men's team,
that's not easy.

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Every once in a
while, certain sports

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like basketball, we
would go to Hawaii

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for a trip and play
a couple high schools

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which was incredible
for us because we had

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never competed against
another high school team.

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We made a road trip to Hawaii,

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there was only 12
of us that went.

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It was a fun trip
because it was just

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fun playing other
high school students

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for one thing 'cause
then we did much better,

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and then we had a
lot of free time.

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On one of the days a bunch of us

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went to a hotel and
we wanted to see

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what the view looked
like from high up

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in the hotel and there
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outside the stairwell
there was a balcony

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you could just walk
out to, you didn't

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have to have a room to
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We went up to the 35th
floor of the hotel

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and we're looking around
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another golden opportunity
to entertain my friends.

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I thought how fun
would it be for

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me on that 35th floor balcony to

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climb on the outside
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So I'm holding onto
the railing like this

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with my feet on the
deck, but that's

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the balcony, I'm out
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My friends started
freaking out and that

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entertained me
greatly, so while I'm

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holding on like this
I thought even more

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scary would be to talk
to them, go what's

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the matter, and then
grab on before I fell.

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Now 350 feet down.

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Sometimes I'm even
amazed that I did this

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'cause it's not very
bright, but I saw their

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reaction to that and I
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guys I'm fine, and then
grab on before I fell.

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They took off, they went
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went back down, they
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and I thought man, that
is entertaining for me.

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There were several incidents
like that on Kwajalein.

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He was a troublemaker.

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To make people have
that kind of reaction

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because I'm doing
something that I thought

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was easy 'cause
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had a fear of heights
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found it so much fun to
do that with those guys.

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I didn't know about Kane's
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and even after we
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a long time for him
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discuss the bullying and
how much it affected him.

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During the elementary
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when I was 10 and 11, I
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I started getting
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It became very severe.

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There was a story
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my buddy and I went
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during the summer
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It was over at the park.

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We went over there
and swam all day

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and then we were
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and we saw three
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that we didn't
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from our school,
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they came over and beat
the hell out of us.

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I unfortunately got
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There was three of
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much older than us
and just beat me

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so badly that the next
day my face was so

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swollen that it was
hard to recognize me.

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It was so bad that he
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and he should've
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but he didn't even wanna
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hid in his room and
suffered with all the pain.

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I just couldn't figure
out why they were doing it

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because we hadn't
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them mad, or to do
anything against them

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in any way, they just
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I don't know if that
spawned other people

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to do it from my
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started getting
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In I think it was
seventh grade I was

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caught by a guy that
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and bullying me
who had thrown up

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in a baggy earlier
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he was sick and threw
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after school thought
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poured it in my face while
other people watched.

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Everybody thought
that was hilarious.

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Except me of course.

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That's the way it was.

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I mean there was
always the typical

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pushing around, calling
names, slamming head

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into a locker, stuff
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sad to say those
were the things that

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didn't bother me
anymore, that was minor.

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I didn't say anything
because I was embarrassed to.

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It's hard to admit to
someone that you allowed

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this to happen because
technically you did.

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There's nothing
you can do about it

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because you just
don't have what it

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takes inside of you to
stand up for yourself.

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So you're embarrassed by it.

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Very often the
response is well just

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stand up for yourself,
just hit them back.

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Very easy to say, but
unless you've been

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bullied you don't understand how

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impossibly difficult
that can be at times.

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When a kid is severely
bullied and ends up

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committing suicide
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it's my opinion that
happens not because

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the kid is scared,
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anything further
happening, it's that

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the kid starts thinking
they're worthless

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because they don't do
anything to stop it.

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Until you've been
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understand how
impossible that can feel.

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And then you start
hating yourself.

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And then you say you
know what, fuck this.

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I don't need to go
through this anymore.

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I'm worthless, I
don't do anything

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to stop, and they
end their lives.

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Eventually after
years, I don't know

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how I did this,
and I just somehow

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snapped and I swung
and I punched him.

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I couldn't even
believe I did it.

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It didn't even seem like
me doing it, it seemed

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like I was outside my
body watching me do this.

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I punched him not
very effectively

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and I got the shit
beat out of me

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because of it, but I went home

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feeling better about
myself because I tried.

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So I thought hey, you
know what, I lost a fight.

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I felt better.

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Mentally that turned
me around and somehow

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I started to let it
happen less and less.

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Eventually it stopped.

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After I graduated from
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while I was going to
college at UNR, Nevada-Reno,

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I saw a sign in my
dorm looking for

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extras for a movie,
and I thought

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that might be
interesting to go down

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there and just see
how movies are filmed.

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So I went downtown
Reno and was able to

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work on the film, it was
called California Split.

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George Segal and Elliott Gould.

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I was just an extra
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was fascinated by the
process of filmmaking.

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I worked on it for a
day and then thought

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that was fun, and I had
classes the next day,

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so I blew off those
classes and went

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back and worked
on the movie again

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just 'cause I had so
much fun doing it.

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It was the only time in my
life I've ever been an extra.

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Even though that was
only 1974, it was

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the start of my
interest in film by far.

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It was the very first
thing because the

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following year I went
to visit my buddy Mike,

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and Mike lived in Los
Angeles and he said

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let's go to Universal
Studios and go on the tour.

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00:13:37,148 --> 00:13:40,550
I loved it, I just loved
being on the backlot.

247
00:13:40,552 --> 00:13:43,187
I wanted so badly
to get off the tram

248
00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:45,322
and just wander
around by myself.

249
00:13:45,324 --> 00:13:47,691
Then the tour was
over and we went

250
00:13:47,693 --> 00:13:50,159
to a couple of the
live shows, one of

251
00:13:50,161 --> 00:13:52,699
which was the wild west
stunt show at Universal.

252
00:13:54,632 --> 00:13:58,302
We watched the show
and that was it.

253
00:13:58,304 --> 00:14:00,571
As soon as that show was over

254
00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:02,805
I said that's what I wanna do.

255
00:14:02,807 --> 00:14:04,241
And I knew it.

256
00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:05,310
From that moment.

257
00:14:06,711 --> 00:14:08,278
Once he gets
something in his head,

258
00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,814
and sorry Kane, but
it just stays there.

259
00:14:11,816 --> 00:14:15,818
No matter what you say to him,
you can't change his mind.

260
00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:18,856
Very fortune of
course over the years

261
00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:23,327
to get to where I've
gotten, but I've also

262
00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:25,728
worked hard, it wasn't
handed to me in any way.

263
00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:27,731
On a professional
level, I love the fact

264
00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:30,800
that he takes these
parts so seriously.

265
00:14:30,802 --> 00:14:32,401
There's a lot of
times, especially with

266
00:14:32,403 --> 00:14:34,371
producers or studio
execs where they'll

267
00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:37,774
say whoever is gonna be
this villain, we just need

268
00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:41,712
a big, menacing, physical
presence, preferably a

269
00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:44,548
stunt guy who can take
hits and punishment.

270
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:47,483
Kane really gets into
it and that's why

271
00:14:47,485 --> 00:14:50,155
the characters he
plays are memorable.

272
00:14:58,164 --> 00:15:00,767
Did a movie called
Prison in 1987.

273
00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:04,300
I was happy to be the
stunt coordinator on it,

274
00:15:04,302 --> 00:15:06,537
it was a great movie
stunt wise, and then at

275
00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,771
the end of the
shooting John Buechler,

276
00:15:08,773 --> 00:15:11,507
who was doing the makeup
effects, said we have to

277
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:14,912
have a guy in the full
body prostetic makeup.

278
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:17,780
The wrongly executed
prisoner comes

279
00:15:17,782 --> 00:15:20,483
out of the ground strapped
to an electric chair

280
00:15:20,485 --> 00:15:22,385
and he has full
makeup head to toe,

281
00:15:22,387 --> 00:15:25,722
prosthetics, dentures,
lenses, everything.

282
00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:28,424
And I said well I've
never done it, I'm happy

283
00:15:28,426 --> 00:15:30,861
to do it 'cause it's
not a comfortable thing.

284
00:15:30,863 --> 00:15:34,298
I'd actually designed
it on another actor,

285
00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:38,704
but when I went to
Wyoming I saw that Kane...

286
00:15:39,738 --> 00:15:41,605
I think he had the chops for it.

287
00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:43,539
I put everything on, it took

288
00:15:43,541 --> 00:15:45,375
3 1/2 hours to
put everything on,

289
00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:47,476
and then Randy
said you know what

290
00:15:47,478 --> 00:15:49,346
would be really
cool, since this is

291
00:15:49,348 --> 00:15:52,683
a corpse that has been
buried, he said why

292
00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:57,287
don't we put live
nightcrawlers all over you.

293
00:15:57,289 --> 00:15:58,688
I said how could would it be if

294
00:15:58,690 --> 00:16:00,656
I had live worms in my mouth?

295
00:16:00,658 --> 00:16:02,959
He's like you would do that?

296
00:16:02,961 --> 00:16:06,862
I said yeah, I still don't
think that was a big deal.

297
00:16:06,864 --> 00:16:09,433
He went nuts with it really.

298
00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:12,468
So I put them in my
mouth and did the shot.

299
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:15,338
I think that Randy
and John Buechler both

300
00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:16,840
were impressed at my enthusiasm

301
00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:19,345
for working in that
kind of makeup.

302
00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:23,847
John in particular liked
how I moved in the makeup.

303
00:16:23,849 --> 00:16:27,417
The thing I noticed
about Kane during Prison

304
00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:31,791
was that he worked
with the makeup.

305
00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:37,260
It's one thing to design a
cool looking creature effect.

306
00:16:37,262 --> 00:16:40,364
It's another thing to
have it performed well.

307
00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:42,566
Aside from being
an amazing stuntman

308
00:16:42,568 --> 00:16:45,501
and a really fine
actor, he works with

309
00:16:45,503 --> 00:16:46,837
the appliances and he tries to

310
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:49,673
do as much as he can with them.

311
00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:51,411
That stuck with me.

312
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:57,584
So that's 1987, the
following year John Buechler

313
00:16:58,883 --> 00:17:02,754
is hired to direct Friday
the 13th Part Seven,

314
00:17:03,622 --> 00:17:05,322
and immediately says I got the

315
00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:07,291
guy that I want to play Jason.

316
00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:08,792
I wanted Kane.

317
00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:12,028
I knew that he could
act, and I knew that

318
00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:13,863
he could really work
with the appliances,

319
00:17:13,865 --> 00:17:16,332
and I wanted to take
the mask off of Jason.

320
00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:18,701
I wanted people to see
how pissed off he was.

321
00:17:18,703 --> 00:17:21,705
The thing I gave to the Friday

322
00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:24,440
the 13th movies was
the rage of Jason.

323
00:17:24,442 --> 00:17:27,579
The makeup for Part
Seven was my favorite look.

324
00:17:28,646 --> 00:17:30,813
Very very well done makeup.

325
00:17:30,815 --> 00:17:32,682
It created the
illusion that when he

326
00:17:32,684 --> 00:17:35,084
opened his mouth you
saw him through holes.

327
00:17:35,086 --> 00:17:39,890
The very first shot
I ever did as Jason

328
00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:43,659
in Part Seven being
my first movie was

329
00:17:43,661 --> 00:17:48,668
the single shot where
Tina has a vision and sees

330
00:17:50,001 --> 00:17:54,539
Michael being stabbed in
the kitchen of the house.

331
00:17:55,841 --> 00:17:58,878
That is the very first
thing I ever shot as Jason.

332
00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,915
When I put that stuff
on and went to the set

333
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:09,518
it felt so natural,
and people are gonna go

334
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,526
oh my God, he's so full
of shit, but really,

335
00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:19,463
it felt right for me to
be wearing that stuff.

336
00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:20,930
But I wanted to do whatever I

337
00:18:20,932 --> 00:18:23,499
could to make the
movie look good.

338
00:18:23,501 --> 00:18:25,736
To this day it's
still my favorite

339
00:18:25,738 --> 00:18:27,603
look of Jason, of
all of them really.

340
00:18:27,605 --> 00:18:28,974
Certainly of the ones I did.

341
00:18:30,007 --> 00:18:33,075
There had been six films before

342
00:18:33,077 --> 00:18:36,412
I ever came into the picture.

343
00:18:36,414 --> 00:18:38,849
So the Friday the 13th name,

344
00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:41,884
the Jason name, were
known worldwide.

345
00:18:41,886 --> 00:18:44,987
For me to be able to
step into that role,

346
00:18:44,989 --> 00:18:47,858
how do you not consider
that a huge honor?

347
00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:50,127
And you better do it justice.

348
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,429
You're given an
opportunity of a lifetime,

349
00:18:53,431 --> 00:18:57,700
so you need to do whatever
you can to add to that.

350
00:18:57,702 --> 00:19:02,642
He brings this special
focus, I think, to Jason.

351
00:19:04,008 --> 00:19:06,877
When I first put the
makeup on and looked

352
00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:10,080
in the mirror, I thought
when Jason is staring at

353
00:19:10,082 --> 00:19:15,088
someone and not moving,
he looks like a mannequin.

354
00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:19,156
I said what can I
do to still do that

355
00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:23,025
same stare but add
life to the character?

356
00:19:23,027 --> 00:19:25,061
I don't think people
understand how hard

357
00:19:25,063 --> 00:19:27,831
that is to make
anything, a lot of it's

358
00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:30,699
just the movement,
a little movement.

359
00:19:30,701 --> 00:19:32,002
A lot of it's in the eyes.

360
00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:35,138
He gets in front
of that mirror and he

361
00:19:35,140 --> 00:19:37,040
looks at the makeup
and he figures

362
00:19:37,042 --> 00:19:38,975
out what he can do with it.

363
00:19:38,977 --> 00:19:42,044
He pushes the limits
and he talks to

364
00:19:42,046 --> 00:19:43,880
the makeup artist,
can I do this, will it

365
00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:47,184
hurt the makeup, I mean
he's very specific.

366
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,585
I came up with
the breathing thing

367
00:19:49,587 --> 00:19:53,725
so instead of this you see this.

368
00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:57,460
To me, that made
it look like the

369
00:19:57,462 --> 00:19:59,595
character was about
to spring any moment.

370
00:19:59,597 --> 00:20:02,666
Even though he's
motionless staring at you,

371
00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:05,067
the heaving chest
looked scary as hell

372
00:20:05,069 --> 00:20:07,704
and people have
said that's one of

373
00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,805
my signature things that I do,

374
00:20:09,807 --> 00:20:12,144
but I just thought it worked.

375
00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:16,079
Kane owns that,
and I think that it's

376
00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:19,248
very special and I
think that most fans

377
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:21,751
immediately can
tell if it's some

378
00:20:21,753 --> 00:20:24,553
other person wearing
the mask and why

379
00:20:24,555 --> 00:20:26,989
it's important for
true fans, I think,

380
00:20:26,991 --> 00:20:30,794
that they really respond
to the way Kane did it.

381
00:20:30,796 --> 00:20:32,262
I remember the
first time I seen him

382
00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:33,964
and he was just
breathing and taking

383
00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:35,198
in air and I was like
oh my God, oh my God.

384
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,766
I'm not gonna sleep
tonight, motherfucker.

385
00:20:37,768 --> 00:20:39,835
That Jason's just a predator.

386
00:20:39,837 --> 00:20:40,803
That's it.

387
00:20:40,805 --> 00:20:44,073
It's like an automatic need.

388
00:20:44,075 --> 00:20:47,046
Just pure nihilistic,
must destroy.

389
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,112
There's something
about the way Kane

390
00:20:50,114 --> 00:20:53,582
plays that focus
that's really fun.

391
00:20:53,584 --> 00:20:56,919
I have never in my
life broken a bone.

392
00:20:56,921 --> 00:20:58,854
Which I'm proud of
because I always

393
00:20:58,856 --> 00:21:01,524
think it's funny
that stunt people

394
00:21:01,526 --> 00:21:04,928
brag about how many
bones they've broken.

395
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:09,131
Isn't the whole point to
do a stunt successfully?

396
00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:10,734
'Cause anybody can be crazy and

397
00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:12,768
just go do something
and get hurt,

398
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:14,004
but the whole point is to have a

399
00:21:14,006 --> 00:21:17,607
stunt career successful
that you don't get hurt.

400
00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:18,608
I always find it funny when guys

401
00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:22,044
say yeah, I broke 225 bones.

402
00:21:22,046 --> 00:21:23,546
You're not very
good then, are you?

403
00:21:23,548 --> 00:21:26,181
Kane is perhaps
the safest stunt

404
00:21:26,183 --> 00:21:28,017
coordinator that you'll
ever wanna work with.

405
00:21:28,019 --> 00:21:32,054
He is very strong, very
firm, very creative on a set.

406
00:21:32,056 --> 00:21:34,658
He can figure out
something ridiculous

407
00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:38,861
and over the top instantly.

408
00:21:38,863 --> 00:21:42,131
There was a scene
written where as Jason

409
00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:47,105
I chase Tina up the
stairs, she goes up

410
00:21:48,172 --> 00:21:49,605
the top of the
stairs where the door

411
00:21:49,607 --> 00:21:52,007
of course is locked
and there's no escape.

412
00:21:52,009 --> 00:21:53,944
So I come up the
stairs, the way it was

413
00:21:53,946 --> 00:21:56,246
written in the
script was she makes

414
00:21:56,248 --> 00:21:58,348
the light start moving
and it swings and

415
00:21:58,350 --> 00:22:02,217
hits me in the chest and
I tumble down the stairs.

416
00:22:02,219 --> 00:22:06,890
I mean Kane doesn't
do things 50%.

417
00:22:06,892 --> 00:22:09,793
He does things 150%.

418
00:22:09,795 --> 00:22:11,261
You tell him to scrub a floor,

419
00:22:11,263 --> 00:22:13,630
he'll scrub the shit
out of that floor.

420
00:22:13,632 --> 00:22:15,832
And I said to Buechler
I said that's not

421
00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:18,802
too bad, but how cool
would it be if that

422
00:22:18,804 --> 00:22:20,937
thing just swings
and hits me right in

423
00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:23,806
the face, in the
mask, and then I just

424
00:22:23,808 --> 00:22:28,078
fall back like a tree and
I go through the stairs.

425
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,813
He goes wow, you
can do that, and I

426
00:22:30,815 --> 00:22:32,948
said I think so, I think
it would look great.

427
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:36,953
I think it's more in
character of Jason.

428
00:22:36,955 --> 00:22:39,956
Tumbling down the stairs
I think looks too human.

429
00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:42,792
Take the hit and then
fall straight back

430
00:22:42,794 --> 00:22:44,960
onto their staircase,
that's one of

431
00:22:44,962 --> 00:22:47,096
my favorite shots in
the movie as well.

432
00:22:47,098 --> 00:22:48,698
It must've been
difficult, but you could

433
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,368
never tell by the
way he performed.

434
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:55,839
He never showed the
discomfort or the

435
00:22:55,841 --> 00:23:00,377
difficulty, he was
always 100% performance.

436
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:04,880
We're at the lake set, this
is in Bay Minette, Alabama.

437
00:23:04,882 --> 00:23:07,249
To go to the dressing
rooms I would always

438
00:23:07,251 --> 00:23:09,386
walk through the woods,
and whenever I was

439
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,321
in character in any
of the movies I like

440
00:23:11,323 --> 00:23:16,092
to leave the mask on
and stay in character.

441
00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:18,894
2 o'clock in the morning
one night or something,

442
00:23:18,896 --> 00:23:23,265
walking on the trail,
I saw someone coming

443
00:23:23,267 --> 00:23:25,805
to the set, someone
who I didn't recognize.

444
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:30,273
And I thought this might be fun.

445
00:23:30,275 --> 00:23:32,708
So I stopped on the
trail, still had

446
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:36,615
the mask on, everything,
and I stared at him.

447
00:23:37,449 --> 00:23:39,849
He uttered the most ridiculous

448
00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:44,153
question I think
I've ever heard.

449
00:23:44,155 --> 00:23:46,156
He looked at me,
in all that makeup,

450
00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:49,629
and said excuse me,
are you with the movie?

451
00:23:51,063 --> 00:23:53,196
That's a dumb
bastard right there.

452
00:23:53,198 --> 00:23:55,899
So I just stared at
him and he started

453
00:23:55,901 --> 00:23:57,801
looking around, yeah,
you're with the movie right?

454
00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,269
And that's when I rushed at him.

455
00:24:00,271 --> 00:24:02,005
He took off running back to the

456
00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:03,973
trucks, I never saw him again.

457
00:24:03,975 --> 00:24:08,111
But the next day, just
talking to Buechler

458
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,447
before we started,
he said hey, you know

459
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:14,050
that local sheriff never
showed up last night.

460
00:24:14,052 --> 00:24:17,023
I said oh, hmm, I
wonder what happened.

461
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,459
For a long long
time, my all time

462
00:24:23,461 --> 00:24:25,961
favorite kill was a Jason kill.

463
00:24:25,963 --> 00:24:26,830
The sleeping bag.

464
00:24:26,832 --> 00:24:27,496
The sleeping bag.

465
00:24:27,498 --> 00:24:28,363
Sleeping bag.

466
00:24:28,365 --> 00:24:29,232
Sleeping bag.

467
00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:30,100
Sleeping bag.

468
00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:30,967
Sleeping bag.

469
00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:32,101
The sleeping bag.

470
00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:33,072
Sleeping bag
kill in Part Seven.

471
00:24:34,238 --> 00:24:35,271
The sleeping bag is one of the

472
00:24:35,273 --> 00:24:36,973
most classic ones in history.

473
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,408
I killed somebody
with something

474
00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:41,343
that's not a weapon,
that's pretty amazing.

475
00:24:41,345 --> 00:24:43,947
And it was just such
an impactful kill

476
00:24:43,949 --> 00:24:47,316
in the theaters, I went
to the Chinese Theater

477
00:24:47,318 --> 00:24:49,218
in Hollywood when
the movie opened,

478
00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:52,088
just anonymously
sat in the back,

479
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:55,425
and when that kill
came up opening night,

480
00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,960
I watched half the
audience stand up

481
00:24:57,962 --> 00:24:59,829
high-fiving each
other and stuff,

482
00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,168
I said wow, that was a
pretty amazing feeling.

483
00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:08,103
One of Kane's most legendary

484
00:25:08,105 --> 00:25:11,040
stunts is his burn
in Part Seven.

485
00:25:11,042 --> 00:25:13,509
At the time it was a
record long fire burn,

486
00:25:13,511 --> 00:25:15,245
the entire thing is on screen.

487
00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:17,112
And I thought let's
make it a little

488
00:25:17,114 --> 00:25:18,814
different than what
you normally see

489
00:25:18,816 --> 00:25:21,551
because you typically
never saw the

490
00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:26,758
ignition of the stunt
person on camera.

491
00:25:27,892 --> 00:25:29,159
It always cut from
somebody making

492
00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,294
a reaction, then it cut to the

493
00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:34,429
person on fire
already moving around.

494
00:25:34,431 --> 00:25:37,867
This girl has telekinetic
powers, so why

495
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:42,272
don't we have her make
the fire blast out

496
00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:46,575
of the furnace and
ignite Jason on camera.

497
00:25:46,577 --> 00:25:49,545
And Buechler was like
wow, I've never seen

498
00:25:49,547 --> 00:25:51,147
that really, and
I said I haven't

499
00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,049
either, so that's
why I wanna do it.

500
00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:55,485
We did the ignition of
the character on fire

501
00:25:55,487 --> 00:25:58,220
with a propane
cannon, then I started

502
00:25:58,222 --> 00:26:00,355
stumbling around
doing my acting,

503
00:26:00,357 --> 00:26:03,059
which I always love
doing, and ultimately

504
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:07,429
by the time I went down,
because I was going

505
00:26:07,431 --> 00:26:09,565
by the feel of it,
I had been on fire

506
00:26:09,567 --> 00:26:12,238
so long that the
fuel is almost gone.

507
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,372
I was on fire for
44 seconds which is,

508
00:26:17,374 --> 00:26:20,376
if you watch your watch
for 44 seconds and

509
00:26:20,378 --> 00:26:23,111
imagine being completely
engulfed in flames

510
00:26:23,113 --> 00:26:26,181
for that long, it's an
incredibly long time

511
00:26:26,183 --> 00:26:29,852
and it set some kind
of records at the time.

512
00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:32,421
To this day it's probably
my favorite fire stunt.

513
00:26:32,423 --> 00:26:35,592
And not only is it an
amazing on screen fire burn,

514
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,628
it's a stunt done by
someone who almost died

515
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:41,630
from a fire burn, so
it's really poetic.

516
00:26:41,632 --> 00:26:43,533
I mean you have
to admit that in

517
00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:45,200
Friday the 13th
Part Seven he gave

518
00:26:45,202 --> 00:26:47,169
one of the most
spectacular full body

519
00:26:47,171 --> 00:26:49,007
burns you've ever
seen in your life.

520
00:26:50,174 --> 00:26:52,976
This from a man who
was burnt horribly.

521
00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:55,644
I always say that one
of the best qualities

522
00:26:55,646 --> 00:27:00,182
to have as a stunt
person is a common sense

523
00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:05,190
knowledge of physics
where you think of

524
00:27:06,324 --> 00:27:07,489
a stunt and you
anticipate what's

525
00:27:07,491 --> 00:27:09,458
gonna happen and
what could go wrong.

526
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:11,628
That's a huge
attribute in the stunt

527
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:13,929
business to think
well what if this

528
00:27:13,931 --> 00:27:15,230
happens, then what
are we gonna do?

529
00:27:15,232 --> 00:27:16,835
So then you prepare for that.

530
00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:20,969
Maybe I learned much
more from my mistake,

531
00:27:20,971 --> 00:27:25,978
but at the time you have
to protect yourself.

532
00:27:29,546 --> 00:27:32,247
Basically until
the book came out

533
00:27:32,249 --> 00:27:34,987
I never admitted the real story.

534
00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:39,322
Because he knew
for the first time

535
00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:41,994
ever he had to face the truth.

536
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:44,593
He was embarrassed
about it for years,

537
00:27:44,595 --> 00:27:46,996
he lied, he told
stories to other people

538
00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:48,230
that it was on the set of this,

539
00:27:48,232 --> 00:27:51,301
on the set of that,
he made up different

540
00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:54,437
situations how it
happened, but no one knew.

541
00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:56,371
It was really this
powerful moment with

542
00:27:56,373 --> 00:27:58,675
me and him when he
finally decided he

543
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,208
could tell the world and open up

544
00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:02,411
and tell the story
and not be embarrassed

545
00:28:02,413 --> 00:28:04,080
about it anymore, that
he's matured enough

546
00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:06,485
to face the facts and
tell the full story.

547
00:28:17,128 --> 00:28:19,461
Since I had officially
gotten into SAG

548
00:28:19,463 --> 00:28:22,465
and done a TV show,
that's when I talked

549
00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:24,667
to this reporter and
she said let's do

550
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:26,669
a story about the
local kid that's

551
00:28:26,671 --> 00:28:29,706
making his way in
the stunt business.

552
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,274
I'll give you some
pictures and if you

553
00:28:31,276 --> 00:28:33,946
want I'll do a fire
stunt for you live.

554
00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:37,045
She said really and I said sure,

555
00:28:37,047 --> 00:28:38,450
I've been doing it no problem.

556
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:43,052
We went out, it
was just her and I.

557
00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:45,188
We happened to pick a
place that was, where I was

558
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:48,992
doing the fire stunt, it
was right next to a lake.

559
00:28:48,994 --> 00:28:51,060
Six feet away from the lake.

560
00:28:51,062 --> 00:28:54,030
But because it was the
lake it was real windy.

561
00:28:54,032 --> 00:28:56,498
We did the stunt
and I was on fire

562
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,301
and I put myself out no problem.

563
00:28:58,303 --> 00:29:00,203
I knew that I wasn't
gonna be happy with it

564
00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:02,071
because the wind
was blowing so hard

565
00:29:02,073 --> 00:29:03,573
it was blowing the flames down,

566
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,077
so I didn't think it
looked as dramatic.

567
00:29:07,211 --> 00:29:08,544
Too bad I didn't
just settle with it.

568
00:29:08,546 --> 00:29:10,079
So the next day they went to a

569
00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:11,781
different area in
the desert, not near

570
00:29:11,783 --> 00:29:14,217
the lake, not near
the water, he had

571
00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:16,486
no safety stuff with
him, it was just him,

572
00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,354
his lighter, and the
biggest mistake he did

573
00:29:19,356 --> 00:29:23,092
was he couldn't afford
rubber cement at the time.

574
00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:24,761
Even though it was a
few bucks he was broke

575
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,329
trying to struggle in Hollywood.

576
00:29:26,331 --> 00:29:29,564
I said I ran out of
glue, can you get me some.

577
00:29:29,566 --> 00:29:31,566
The reporter
brought some from the

578
00:29:31,568 --> 00:29:33,101
office saying here you
go, here's some rubber

579
00:29:33,103 --> 00:29:35,338
cement so you don't have
to spend your own money.

580
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,239
Having never used
that brand before,

581
00:29:37,241 --> 00:29:40,376
Kane didn't realize
how flammable it was.

582
00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:43,780
I got all prepped
and ready and I

583
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,483
went to light myself,
which is normally,

584
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:48,784
when I would do
this you'd have to

585
00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:51,787
touch the glue with the
flame to make it ignite.

586
00:29:51,789 --> 00:29:53,723
He put his arm out
away from himself to

587
00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:57,159
be safe, and when he lit
the match he ignited.

588
00:29:57,161 --> 00:29:59,364
Completely burst
into flames everywhere.

589
00:30:02,734 --> 00:30:06,334
You always see stop, drop,
and roll on TV commercials

590
00:30:06,336 --> 00:30:11,343
and stuff, and that's a
nice theory, but the thing

591
00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:13,810
that people don't
understand, unless you've

592
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,411
been on fire, is that
when your head is in

593
00:30:16,413 --> 00:30:20,349
the flames, and you can
hear your hair burning

594
00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:21,650
and you can feel
your face burning

595
00:30:21,652 --> 00:30:24,088
and your ears burning, you run.

596
00:30:25,222 --> 00:30:28,224
It's not the right thing
to do, it's a reflex.

597
00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:30,293
And every person that
I've ever talked to

598
00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:32,695
that's been burned
seriously in the upper body

599
00:30:32,697 --> 00:30:34,700
says the same thing, they ran.

600
00:30:38,769 --> 00:30:41,169
As I'm running and
burning, she doesn't

601
00:30:41,171 --> 00:30:43,840
realize I'm out of
control and in trouble,

602
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,874
so she keeps snapping
pictures, and again,

603
00:30:45,876 --> 00:30:48,744
I don't blame her in the
least for any of this,

604
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:51,514
but she didn't realize
until I started

605
00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:55,717
screaming probably
that I was in trouble.

606
00:30:55,719 --> 00:30:58,588
Then I somehow got
my wits about me and

607
00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:00,622
realized there was
some kind of dampness

608
00:31:00,624 --> 00:31:02,592
on the ground, dove
into there and rolled

609
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,192
around and finally
got myself put out.

610
00:31:04,194 --> 00:31:06,329
And when he finally
was conscious enough

611
00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:08,397
to see the reporter,
the reporter looked at

612
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,300
him and that's when he
knew how horrible it was.

613
00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:14,236
All my clothes that
I had on were gone.

614
00:31:14,238 --> 00:31:17,640
My skin was falling off,
I had mud all over me

615
00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:22,378
from the ground that was
falling off with my skin.

616
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,881
I knew I was in
very very bad shape.

617
00:31:25,883 --> 00:31:28,583
She said let's go,
we got in her jeep,

618
00:31:28,585 --> 00:31:31,486
we said we gotta get
somewhere to get some help

619
00:31:31,488 --> 00:31:34,157
because this is very
serious, my face

620
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:36,361
was burned, everything,
my hair was gone.

621
00:31:37,761 --> 00:31:39,762
We're driving in the
jeep out of the desert

622
00:31:39,764 --> 00:31:42,598
and the first thing we
see is a fire station.

623
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,499
I think oh perfect.

624
00:31:44,501 --> 00:31:46,268
We go there, we
bang on the door,

625
00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:47,903
we try and get, nobody answers.

626
00:31:47,905 --> 00:31:49,738
So we got back in
the car, we went to

627
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:51,642
the first house we could get to.

628
00:31:56,881 --> 00:31:58,517
The photographer...

629
00:32:00,617 --> 00:32:02,351
Sorry.

630
00:32:02,353 --> 00:32:04,856
Photographer knocks on the
door and a lady answers.

631
00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:09,926
And she looked at me terrified
and says get in here.

632
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:12,527
And I said what, she
goes get in the shower,

633
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:13,829
stand in my shower,
I'll call the

634
00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:15,901
ambulance and they'll
come and get you.

635
00:32:20,371 --> 00:32:21,603
I do that.

636
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,690
As I walk through the house...

637
00:32:52,569 --> 00:32:53,404
Sorry.

638
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,410
As I walk through the house
there's a little girl.

639
00:33:08,585 --> 00:33:12,021
Sitting on the floor playing
and she was terrified.

640
00:33:12,023 --> 00:33:15,257
And I don't blame her,
I mean the way I looked.

641
00:33:15,259 --> 00:33:16,728
She was scared to death.

642
00:33:32,876 --> 00:33:34,643
Kept looking out the
shower, looking at

643
00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:37,882
my eyes thinking why
does this not hurt yet.

644
00:33:40,384 --> 00:33:42,752
I was just astounded
that I knew I was

645
00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:45,454
severely injured and
there was no pain.

646
00:33:45,456 --> 00:33:48,794
But I kept waiting for
something to start hurting.

647
00:33:50,027 --> 00:33:51,893
The ambulance finally
came, I walked

648
00:33:51,895 --> 00:33:53,595
back out, the girl
wasn't there anymore

649
00:33:53,597 --> 00:33:55,765
thank God 'cause
I felt horrible.

650
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:58,767
I felt worse for her
than I did for myself.

651
00:33:58,769 --> 00:34:01,506
Was three years old or
something, just scared to death.

652
00:34:03,908 --> 00:34:05,940
Got in the ambulance
and sat up the

653
00:34:05,942 --> 00:34:08,511
whole time in the ambulance
all the way there.

654
00:34:08,513 --> 00:34:11,379
As it turns out, when
you burn that badly

655
00:34:11,381 --> 00:34:12,647
you burn the nerves
completely off

656
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:15,817
and there's no pain for a while.

657
00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:18,789
The next day it was
incredible and didn't stop.

658
00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:26,962
That basically started the next

659
00:34:26,964 --> 00:34:30,802
six months of horrific torture.

660
00:34:32,636 --> 00:34:33,805
Can we cut for a second?

661
00:34:44,748 --> 00:34:46,915
Once the pain started after the

662
00:34:46,917 --> 00:34:50,819
initial shock wore
off, it was so

663
00:34:50,821 --> 00:34:54,422
much more than I
ever anticipated.

664
00:34:54,424 --> 00:34:57,092
So much worse than
you can even imagine.

665
00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:00,631
The worst part of this was
he had no painkillers in him.

666
00:35:01,765 --> 00:35:03,031
He didn't know at the
time, but his father

667
00:35:03,033 --> 00:35:05,567
pulled aside the
doctor and asked him

668
00:35:05,569 --> 00:35:07,002
not to give him any painkillers.

669
00:35:07,004 --> 00:35:08,636
And the doctor
went along with that.

670
00:35:08,638 --> 00:35:11,005
I'm not sure why he
didn't just say no,

671
00:35:11,007 --> 00:35:13,444
he needs pain medication
to get through this.

672
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:19,114
I had less medication
than I should have had.

673
00:35:19,116 --> 00:35:20,850
And the reason for
that was his father

674
00:35:20,852 --> 00:35:24,120
was in The War and
he saw all his fellow

675
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,755
soldiers who came
back with injuries

676
00:35:26,757 --> 00:35:28,089
who got addicted to
painkillers and he

677
00:35:28,091 --> 00:35:29,991
was scared that was
gonna happen to Kane.

678
00:35:29,993 --> 00:35:31,893
And I know my
dad was just trying

679
00:35:31,895 --> 00:35:33,395
to look out for
my best interest,

680
00:35:33,397 --> 00:35:34,864
he didn't want me
to become addicted

681
00:35:34,866 --> 00:35:36,832
to stuff, but that's
something you have

682
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:38,067
to worry about later,
you have to get

683
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:40,069
rid of the pain so you can heal.

684
00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:45,076
But the pain itself was so
unbelievably tremendous.

685
00:35:50,047 --> 00:35:52,480
I got to the
hospital and I didn't

686
00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:54,683
know anything about what is the

687
00:35:54,685 --> 00:35:57,453
proper way to take
care of burns.

688
00:35:57,455 --> 00:35:59,922
And neither did my
parents, so whatever

689
00:35:59,924 --> 00:36:02,891
the hospital did for
me we thought was good.

690
00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:04,893
I don't know how else to say it,

691
00:36:04,895 --> 00:36:07,730
they weren't equipped
at all to take care

692
00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:11,536
of my injury, but they
thought they were.

693
00:36:13,136 --> 00:36:14,969
My parents came
in when they could

694
00:36:14,971 --> 00:36:18,410
and my dad walked in
and left immediately.

695
00:36:19,576 --> 00:36:22,511
They could just see
me from here up.

696
00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:24,513
My face was burnt, but
not as badly as the

697
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:26,982
rest of my body, so I
didn't look that terrible.

698
00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:29,784
I didn't know until
later, when he walked in,

699
00:36:29,786 --> 00:36:32,620
the smell that was
in my room because of

700
00:36:32,622 --> 00:36:34,890
me being burned I
guess brought back

701
00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:37,625
terrible memories of
him during The War.

702
00:36:37,627 --> 00:36:38,726
He had to run out and he had to

703
00:36:38,728 --> 00:36:40,728
go to the bathroom and throw up.

704
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,931
Then I remember
my mom lifting up

705
00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:45,868
the sheet and looking
at this arm and just

706
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:48,536
started crying because
it looked so terrible.

707
00:36:48,538 --> 00:36:50,940
It was very very
hard for my parents

708
00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:55,947
to see their son
in that situation.

709
00:36:58,248 --> 00:37:01,083
Because I was burned
all in the upper body,

710
00:37:01,085 --> 00:37:03,752
I couldn't use my
hands at all, so I

711
00:37:03,754 --> 00:37:07,255
couldn't go to the
bathroom by myself,

712
00:37:07,257 --> 00:37:11,726
I couldn't even change the
channel of the TV myself.

713
00:37:11,728 --> 00:37:14,830
It was a terrible
way to have to live,

714
00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:19,837
especially since I was
22, when someone else

715
00:37:20,971 --> 00:37:24,973
has to help you take a
piss or wipe your ass.

716
00:37:24,975 --> 00:37:27,775
It sounds funny, but
it's very humbling.

717
00:37:27,777 --> 00:37:30,513
Then they would take
me to what's called

718
00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:32,580
the Hubbard Tank, and they have

719
00:37:32,582 --> 00:37:34,250
to get rid of the dead tissue.

720
00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,851
Even when you're
healing, dead tissue

721
00:37:36,853 --> 00:37:38,920
accumulates and it
has to be removed

722
00:37:38,922 --> 00:37:41,257
so the fresh tissue can heal.

723
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:42,991
So they would put him
down in the basement

724
00:37:42,993 --> 00:37:45,127
because he would
scream so loud they had

725
00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:47,161
to hide him from all
the other patients.

726
00:37:47,163 --> 00:37:50,031
They would soak him
in a bathtub, and then

727
00:37:50,033 --> 00:37:52,033
the doctor would take the
back side of a scalpel.

728
00:37:52,035 --> 00:37:55,270
And scrape all of
the burned area to get

729
00:37:55,272 --> 00:38:00,074
the material off that
needed to be debrided.

730
00:38:00,076 --> 00:38:02,210
This is, again, when
I couldn't even stand

731
00:38:02,212 --> 00:38:05,214
the vibration from
somebody kicking my bed.

732
00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:06,817
Now you're gonna scrape it?

733
00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:13,288
There is no way I
can ever express

734
00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:15,160
the amount of pain there was.

735
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:22,163
They did a skin graft
surgery and they

736
00:38:22,165 --> 00:38:26,902
splinted my arms
straight out like this.

737
00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:29,038
From my body, I
couldn't move because

738
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,638
they wanted the skin
to take, and when

739
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,906
you do skin grafts
you need to be

740
00:38:31,908 --> 00:38:35,076
motionless so, it has
to be your own skin,

741
00:38:35,078 --> 00:38:38,013
and it can adhere and
start growing to your body.

742
00:38:38,015 --> 00:38:40,815
It's taken from a
healthy area, my legs,

743
00:38:40,817 --> 00:38:43,085
put on the burned
area, and hopefully

744
00:38:43,087 --> 00:38:46,922
grows into it and helps
cover up the burn.

745
00:38:46,924 --> 00:38:49,257
As I'm barely
conscious coming out of

746
00:38:49,259 --> 00:38:54,265
the O.R., going back to
my room, they realize

747
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,933
I can't get in my
fucking room because

748
00:38:57,935 --> 00:38:59,734
my arms are like
this, I'm too wide

749
00:38:59,736 --> 00:39:02,937
to go through the
doorway to my room.

750
00:39:02,939 --> 00:39:05,975
Now I have to, just
after waking up

751
00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,310
from major surgery,
have to stand up

752
00:39:08,312 --> 00:39:12,313
like this, walk into
my room, wait for

753
00:39:12,315 --> 00:39:14,216
them to bring the
bed in, and then

754
00:39:14,218 --> 00:39:16,685
get back in my bed,
which I thought

755
00:39:16,687 --> 00:39:18,654
was the most asinine
thing you could

756
00:39:18,656 --> 00:39:20,388
ever do, not look ahead to that?

757
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:22,290
You couldn't see that coming?

758
00:39:22,292 --> 00:39:24,393
That was just one of
the first days and

759
00:39:24,395 --> 00:39:26,698
that was an indicator
of what was to come.

760
00:39:28,698 --> 00:39:30,966
I was in that
hospital four months,

761
00:39:30,968 --> 00:39:34,002
consistently getting
worse every day.

762
00:39:34,004 --> 00:39:36,205
Trying skin grafts
that didn't work.

763
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:37,406
One of the most
important things with

764
00:39:37,408 --> 00:39:39,808
a burn injury is
to keep a sterile

765
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,913
environment around the patient.

766
00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:46,214
When I'm in a room with
another person who has

767
00:39:46,216 --> 00:39:49,083
some other kind of problem,
that's not sterile,

768
00:39:49,085 --> 00:39:51,288
and that's what happened
in that hospital.

769
00:39:52,422 --> 00:39:53,788
And everyone had
to scrub down to

770
00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:54,989
come in except for
the doctor, the doctor

771
00:39:54,991 --> 00:39:56,792
would come through
and not wash his

772
00:39:56,794 --> 00:39:58,159
hands, be wearing
his tennis shoes,

773
00:39:58,161 --> 00:39:59,862
and just walk over
and check Kane.

774
00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,698
I was amazed that
he thought everybody

775
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,870
else should do it,
but he was above it.

776
00:40:07,203 --> 00:40:09,140
He shouldn't have been
taking care of me at all.

777
00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:16,411
Unfortunately at
that hospital they

778
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:19,681
did very little
correctly for me.

779
00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:22,917
There was such a
long list of terrible

780
00:40:22,919 --> 00:40:25,254
things that happened
as a result of being

781
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,755
in that hospital that
never should've happened.

782
00:40:27,757 --> 00:40:30,692
My veins started
collapsing, now I have to

783
00:40:30,694 --> 00:40:34,328
submit to a needle in
the vein in my groin.

784
00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:37,833
They put pins through my elbows

785
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:39,301
and you can still see the scar.

786
00:40:39,303 --> 00:40:41,770
They would hold my
arms up like this.

787
00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,906
When they took the pins out
I couldn't put my arms down.

788
00:40:44,908 --> 00:40:46,708
Not being able to
sleep, and then when

789
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,111
you finally do doze
off I would twitch.

790
00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:52,380
That happened every single
time I would doze off.

791
00:40:52,382 --> 00:40:55,183
And I lost my voice completely.

792
00:40:55,185 --> 00:40:58,453
Put a feeding tube through
my nose into my stomach.

793
00:40:58,455 --> 00:41:00,188
I had a catheter for a while.

794
00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:03,225
Gained and lost 50
pounds in five days.

795
00:41:03,227 --> 00:41:06,127
Seven skin graft surgeries.

796
00:41:06,129 --> 00:41:09,130
They kept doing the procedures
and it wouldn't work.

797
00:41:09,132 --> 00:41:12,870
And I didn't have
any health insurance.

798
00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:16,739
If I read it in a
book, I would read it

799
00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:20,208
and say this can't be
true, he's exaggerating.

800
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:24,279
To make it sound more
horrific than it was.

801
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:27,482
That can't all be true,
and unfortunately it was.

802
00:41:27,484 --> 00:41:30,018
And it's a horrifying story.

803
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:34,089
It's bad enough being
burned obviously,

804
00:41:34,091 --> 00:41:36,024
but all the other
things that went wrong,

805
00:41:36,026 --> 00:41:38,761
I mean it couldn't
have been worse.

806
00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:41,833
Bottom line is
after four months

807
00:41:42,832 --> 00:41:47,136
that doctor told my parents that

808
00:41:47,138 --> 00:41:51,038
I had a staph infection and it

809
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,843
doesn't look like
I'm gonna make it.

810
00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:56,377
My parents are like
what do you mean?

811
00:41:56,379 --> 00:41:58,813
After four months he's
gonna die from the burns?

812
00:41:58,815 --> 00:42:00,516
'Cause typically if you die as

813
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:03,118
a result of being
burned it's early.

814
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,489
You don't get through
the first week.

815
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:10,058
You don't die four
months later usually.

816
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:12,995
They were astounded
that he was saying that.

817
00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:14,862
Then he said we're
gonna ship him

818
00:42:14,864 --> 00:42:17,102
to a burn unit in San Francisco.

819
00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:23,507
My dad was wait, burn unit,
we didn't know what it was.

820
00:42:24,841 --> 00:42:25,940
He said what's that
and he said it's a

821
00:42:25,942 --> 00:42:28,210
place that specializes
in burn care.

822
00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:30,846
And my dad almost killed
the fucking guy by saying

823
00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:34,352
why did you not send him
there in the first place?

824
00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:40,054
I get to San Francisco,
the Bothin Burn Center

825
00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:45,062
in Saint Francis Hospital
and everything changed.

826
00:42:46,196 --> 00:42:47,596
At that time it was
the best burn center

827
00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:49,531
west of the Mississippi River.

828
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:52,266
It was a real first
class burn center.

829
00:42:52,268 --> 00:42:55,270
We had attendings, resident
doctors and nurses,

830
00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:58,172
they all devoted their time to

831
00:42:58,174 --> 00:43:01,210
treating burn
patients specifically.

832
00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:03,045
My doctors
were different, this was

833
00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:05,147
a unit that was self-enclosed.

834
00:43:05,149 --> 00:43:07,348
We have our own
O.R., we do all our

835
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:10,018
treatments here, we
have hydrotherapy.

836
00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:12,286
That was built in 1967.

837
00:43:12,288 --> 00:43:14,121
The other thing
that the burn unit

838
00:43:14,123 --> 00:43:18,159
had to deal with was
that I was in bed

839
00:43:18,161 --> 00:43:20,962
at the first hospital
for four months,

840
00:43:20,964 --> 00:43:23,198
never being able to sit in any

841
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,234
other position other than maybe

842
00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,301
recline a little bit or sit up a

843
00:43:27,303 --> 00:43:31,005
little bit, but I was
always on my back.

844
00:43:31,007 --> 00:43:36,013
So consequently I had two
really bad bedsores on my back.

845
00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:38,480
The burn unit had to
deal with all that too,

846
00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:40,248
they had to get rid
of the bedsores,

847
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:42,583
they had to get rid of
the staph infection,

848
00:43:42,585 --> 00:43:45,087
they had to get me skin grafted

849
00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:48,957
and get my weight up, and they

850
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:52,127
did all of that in six weeks.

851
00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:53,495
Whereas the first hospital took

852
00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:56,935
four months to get me to
that horrible position.

853
00:43:58,102 --> 00:43:59,268
If I had been in
the burn unit from

854
00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:01,270
the beginning I
probably would've

855
00:44:01,272 --> 00:44:03,107
been in there four weeks total.

856
00:44:05,075 --> 00:44:09,377
What stayed the same from
when I started 35 years ago

857
00:44:09,379 --> 00:44:14,384
today is the patience that
it takes for everybody,

858
00:44:15,518 --> 00:44:18,252
the caregivers, the
patient, the families.

859
00:44:18,254 --> 00:44:20,455
The body heals only
at a certain rate.

860
00:44:20,457 --> 00:44:25,462
The caring part, the support
that these people need,

861
00:44:26,596 --> 00:44:29,330
is exactly the same
through the years.

862
00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:30,601
That hasn't changed.

863
00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:35,603
I started getting a
more positive attitude

864
00:44:35,605 --> 00:44:38,540
because this place
is state of the art,

865
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:42,145
even back then, for burn care.

866
00:44:43,279 --> 00:44:47,181
Then that's when the
depression sets in.

867
00:44:47,183 --> 00:44:50,287
Because at the beginning
you're just trying to survive.

868
00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:54,556
Now that you know
you're gonna survive,

869
00:44:54,558 --> 00:44:57,591
now you deal with
the fact that for

870
00:44:57,593 --> 00:44:59,161
the rest of your
life you're gonna

871
00:44:59,163 --> 00:45:02,263
have that visual reminder,
which is the scars.

872
00:45:02,265 --> 00:45:04,065
The biggest misconception is

873
00:45:04,067 --> 00:45:05,502
that it's just about the skin.

874
00:45:06,536 --> 00:45:08,303
It's not just about the skin.

875
00:45:08,305 --> 00:45:11,375
Major burns affect every
system of the body.

876
00:45:12,509 --> 00:45:15,409
It affects the immune
system, it often affects

877
00:45:15,411 --> 00:45:18,714
the lungs if they're burned
in an enclosed space.

878
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:22,016
It affects the GI
tract, it affects every

879
00:45:22,018 --> 00:45:24,319
system of the body,
and also I think

880
00:45:24,321 --> 00:45:26,721
a lot of people
underestimate the

881
00:45:26,723 --> 00:45:29,459
psychosocial recovery of burns.

882
00:45:40,337 --> 00:45:43,237
I didn't let anybody
come and visit me really,

883
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,708
just immediate family
and that was it.

884
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:48,377
I actually wanted
to go out and see him,

885
00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:53,214
but he didn't want any
visitors, and I respected that.

886
00:45:53,216 --> 00:45:56,520
But it was scary.

887
00:45:59,756 --> 00:46:04,962
I just didn't want my close
friends to see me like that.

888
00:46:10,701 --> 00:46:15,203
It's the weirdest thing, the
things your mind go through.

889
00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:18,172
I'm never gonna be able to
take my shirt off again.

890
00:46:18,174 --> 00:46:20,107
People are always
gonna stare at me.

891
00:46:20,109 --> 00:46:21,475
I'm gonna have scars
for the rest of

892
00:46:21,477 --> 00:46:25,115
my life, limited movement,
which I still have.

893
00:46:26,783 --> 00:46:31,521
I got very depressed even
when I was getting better.

894
00:46:34,323 --> 00:46:37,658
I was laying in my bed
depressed because there

895
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:41,131
wasn't much to be happy
about other than surviving.

896
00:46:43,132 --> 00:46:46,203
I looked at somebody come in
to visit the nursing staff.

897
00:46:47,538 --> 00:46:49,538
Everybody had to gown up,
when you go in the unit

898
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:53,408
you have to put on everything
to keep it sterile.

899
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:54,576
Even visitors.

900
00:46:54,578 --> 00:46:56,681
This guy, who I
didn't recognize,

901
00:46:58,549 --> 00:47:01,716
was at the nurse's
station, and I'm

902
00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:03,618
watching him, he starts laughing

903
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:06,554
and having a good old
time, being happy,

904
00:47:06,556 --> 00:47:09,123
shaking hands with
people and I was

905
00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:11,359
laying in there saying fuck you.

906
00:47:11,361 --> 00:47:13,862
You have no idea what
I'm going through

907
00:47:13,864 --> 00:47:16,467
and you're fucking
happy, I hated him.

908
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:21,837
Truthfully I became
somewhat, I guess you could

909
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,806
say suicidal,
because I didn't know

910
00:47:24,808 --> 00:47:27,174
if I wanted to live like this.

911
00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:29,544
I watched this guy
laughing and having a good

912
00:47:29,546 --> 00:47:33,183
old time and thinking
God, you are so lucky.

913
00:47:35,451 --> 00:47:38,420
He pulls up his
sleeve of his gown,

914
00:47:38,422 --> 00:47:41,188
'cause he was warm
or something, and I'm

915
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:43,792
looking at him thinking
oh wait a minute.

916
00:47:43,794 --> 00:47:45,462
He's got burn scars.

917
00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:49,598
This guy was in this unit.

918
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,766
He's a former patient
that was in here,

919
00:47:52,768 --> 00:47:57,774
burned badly 'cause I could
see his arm just like mine.

920
00:47:58,575 --> 00:48:00,141
And he's fucking happy.

921
00:48:00,143 --> 00:48:03,245
And I thought holy
shit, this guy does

922
00:48:03,247 --> 00:48:05,783
know what I went
through and he's happy?

923
00:48:07,151 --> 00:48:10,417
I thought holy,
man, maybe there's

924
00:48:10,419 --> 00:48:12,319
something positive
that'll come out of this.

925
00:48:12,321 --> 00:48:16,126
He completely turned my
whole attitude around.

926
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:23,431
So if he can do it, I can do it.

927
00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:24,833
Everything changed after that,

928
00:48:24,835 --> 00:48:27,301
everything started improving.

929
00:48:27,303 --> 00:48:29,437
That's the thing
with a burn injury.

930
00:48:29,439 --> 00:48:31,772
If you're sitting and
talking to somebody

931
00:48:31,774 --> 00:48:33,841
and they're telling
you what to expect

932
00:48:33,843 --> 00:48:36,645
and you don't see
burn scars on them,

933
00:48:36,647 --> 00:48:38,379
in your mind you're
just thinking,

934
00:48:38,381 --> 00:48:40,748
you're not even listening
because you don't know.

935
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:43,652
But if you're sitting
there with scars,

936
00:48:43,654 --> 00:48:47,221
I'll listen to you all day
long because you do know.

937
00:48:47,223 --> 00:48:49,891
We do a burn support
group once a month

938
00:48:49,893 --> 00:48:52,226
here in the burn
center where we have

939
00:48:52,228 --> 00:48:54,295
patients come back for years to

940
00:48:54,297 --> 00:48:56,464
get that support from people who

941
00:48:56,466 --> 00:48:57,868
had been through it like them.

942
00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:18,687
It was an amazing
experience that

943
00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:22,524
this guy completely,
basically saved

944
00:49:22,526 --> 00:49:24,792
my life a second
time without even

945
00:49:24,794 --> 00:49:27,531
knowing it, and never
never knew his name.

946
00:49:38,507 --> 00:49:41,509
It seems like this
was the angle.

947
00:49:41,511 --> 00:49:42,911
Right here.

948
00:49:42,913 --> 00:49:45,679
It was bigger than this, it
went out a little farther.

949
00:49:45,681 --> 00:49:48,618
The beds were this
way, not this way.

950
00:49:49,652 --> 00:49:50,518
Right.

951
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,886
We were like this.

952
00:49:51,888 --> 00:49:52,757
He was here.

953
00:49:54,323 --> 00:49:57,761
I guess that could've been
the angle I was looking at.

954
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:06,801
Yeah, I think that was my room.

955
00:50:06,803 --> 00:50:10,373
My biggest goal was to
get home for Christmas.

956
00:50:11,674 --> 00:50:14,842
Just to be out of the hospital
and home for Christmas.

957
00:50:14,844 --> 00:50:17,547
My doctor's name
was Angelo Capozzi.

958
00:50:20,616 --> 00:50:24,518
He was okay with sending me home

959
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,987
really before I
should've gone home.

960
00:50:26,989 --> 00:50:28,989
Well I think as
we've become more

961
00:50:28,991 --> 00:50:32,393
knowledgeable about taking
care of burn patients,

962
00:50:32,395 --> 00:50:34,362
I think it's one
of the physician's

963
00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,901
duties to keep the
patient comfortable.

964
00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:40,701
He allowed me to
go home with the

965
00:50:40,703 --> 00:50:43,437
training that he gave
my mother for my,

966
00:50:43,439 --> 00:50:48,411
I had slight open wounds
all over, but small ones.

967
00:50:49,513 --> 00:50:50,745
Because it was
in-between where the

968
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:52,649
skin grafts were that
hadn't quite healed yet.

969
00:50:53,817 --> 00:50:56,784
He knew what I had been
through, decided he

970
00:50:56,786 --> 00:50:59,991
was okay with me going
home on December 23rd.

971
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:13,804
I haven't seen Dr.
Capozzi in 39 years.

972
00:51:15,471 --> 00:51:16,571
Hey doc.

973
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:17,438
How are you?

974
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,772
I'm great, I'm great.

975
00:51:18,774 --> 00:51:19,808
Been a long time.

976
00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:20,911
Yes it has.

977
00:51:21,977 --> 00:51:23,411
39 years.

978
00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:24,645
Yeah.

979
00:51:24,647 --> 00:51:26,980
This area was some of
my worst, you can see.

980
00:51:26,982 --> 00:51:28,783
It was really quite deep there.

981
00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:30,353
I know, but it looks great.

982
00:51:31,855 --> 00:51:33,355
That's the only
bad part still.

983
00:51:33,357 --> 00:51:35,022
A little tight, but if you can

984
00:51:35,024 --> 00:51:36,424
get along with that,
I mean that's fine.

985
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:39,993
I never really got
to tell you thank you.

986
00:51:39,995 --> 00:51:42,830
Because you saved
my life, there's no,

987
00:51:42,832 --> 00:51:44,598
I'm not trying to
be dramatic 'cause

988
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,500
everybody knows I don't do that.

989
00:51:46,502 --> 00:51:47,835
You saved my life and don't try

990
00:51:47,837 --> 00:51:49,870
and be fucking humble
about it please.

991
00:51:49,872 --> 00:51:50,739
Because...

992
00:51:50,741 --> 00:51:51,638
Strike that.

993
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:55,442
I would like to say thank
you for everything you did.

994
00:51:55,444 --> 00:51:56,444
You're very welcome.

995
00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:57,612
I really appreciate that.

996
00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:58,849
I went on to
have a great life.

997
00:52:22,605 --> 00:52:26,009
I think it's very
interesting that I never

998
00:52:27,477 --> 00:52:31,645
developed a fear of
fire considering it

999
00:52:31,647 --> 00:52:33,882
almost killed me
and I understand

1000
00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:38,018
how terrifying it
is to be on fire.

1001
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:39,620
You would think
the last thing I'd

1002
00:52:39,622 --> 00:52:42,790
ever wanna do is
be on fire again,

1003
00:52:42,792 --> 00:52:44,692
but another friend of mine that

1004
00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:47,462
gave me a lot of good stunt jobs

1005
00:52:47,464 --> 00:52:51,565
named B.J. Davis,
was doing a movie

1006
00:52:51,567 --> 00:52:54,939
in New Orleans called
Avenging Force.

1007
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,938
I had worked a
little bit with him,

1008
00:52:57,940 --> 00:53:00,208
we had become
friends, and he said

1009
00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:01,975
why don't you be one
of the stunt guys

1010
00:53:01,977 --> 00:53:04,514
to come down for the
entire shoot of the movie.

1011
00:53:06,482 --> 00:53:09,583
I was very happy to
do that, hadn't done

1012
00:53:09,585 --> 00:53:13,187
much on location before.

1013
00:53:13,189 --> 00:53:17,591
So while I was in New
Orleans, B.J. said,

1014
00:53:17,593 --> 00:53:20,060
I don't know how he knew that he

1015
00:53:20,062 --> 00:53:23,931
could ask me this,
but he had a good

1016
00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:26,801
sense of my personality
I guess, he said

1017
00:53:26,803 --> 00:53:30,737
we gotta do two full
burns at the same time.

1018
00:53:30,739 --> 00:53:31,942
You wanna do one with me?

1019
00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:36,176
First I was like
oh shit, I didn't

1020
00:53:36,178 --> 00:53:39,480
think anybody would ever
ask me that, first of all.

1021
00:53:39,482 --> 00:53:40,748
Then I start thinking
about it more

1022
00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:43,217
and I said you know
what, he knows what I've

1023
00:53:43,219 --> 00:53:47,091
been through and he's
confident in me doing it.

1024
00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:50,491
If he had said
you probably don't

1025
00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:52,595
wanna do this, but
there's a fire stunt,

1026
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,230
but he didn't do it
that way, I guess

1027
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,899
he just did it the
right way for me.

1028
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,201
Just offer it to me
without any hesitation.

1029
00:54:01,203 --> 00:54:04,038
If I don't wanna do it, fine,
somebody else will do it.

1030
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,540
But ultimately I did
the stunt with him.

1031
00:54:06,542 --> 00:54:10,143
B.J. comes flying out
of a window on fire,

1032
00:54:10,145 --> 00:54:13,248
and I come out of
the doorway on fire.

1033
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,583
It was a full burn
that I did again

1034
00:54:15,585 --> 00:54:18,589
for the first time
since my accident.

1035
00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:22,723
I loved it.

1036
00:54:22,725 --> 00:54:26,127
I felt very
comfortable, I see how,

1037
00:54:26,129 --> 00:54:28,996
when you do the
proper setup, how easy

1038
00:54:28,998 --> 00:54:34,004
it is to do that stunt
really, and I came

1039
00:54:35,138 --> 00:54:38,573
to the conclusion that
I love doing fire.

1040
00:54:38,575 --> 00:54:41,174
It's very very
surprising that a

1041
00:54:41,176 --> 00:54:45,879
burn survivor could even
go near a fire again.

1042
00:54:45,881 --> 00:54:48,917
Doing that first fire
stunt again was huge,

1043
00:54:48,919 --> 00:54:51,989
a huge step forward in
forgetting about the past.

1044
00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:05,165
I met Kane when he was working

1045
00:55:05,167 --> 00:55:06,868
on a pictures with Wes Craven.

1046
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,069
Called The Hills Have Eyes II.

1047
00:55:09,071 --> 00:55:12,040
I had doubled a character
called The Reaper.

1048
00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,808
Was a stunt double
for him, I was falling

1049
00:55:13,810 --> 00:55:16,044
through a skylight and
riding a motorcycle

1050
00:55:16,046 --> 00:55:17,879
and doing some stuff
around some fire.

1051
00:55:17,881 --> 00:55:20,681
He was a wonderful
and interesting guy.

1052
00:55:20,683 --> 00:55:22,850
Clearly he was a guy that didn't

1053
00:55:22,852 --> 00:55:24,919
seem to be afraid of anything.

1054
00:55:24,921 --> 00:55:27,955
And I ended up
doing every one of

1055
00:55:27,957 --> 00:55:30,725
Sean Cunningham's
movies for quite

1056
00:55:30,727 --> 00:55:33,928
a while after that one,
all the House movies.

1057
00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:35,763
Everything he did really.

1058
00:55:35,765 --> 00:55:40,167
I did the original
Friday back in 1979, '80.

1059
00:55:40,169 --> 00:55:43,605
I was around for Friday
Two and Friday Three,

1060
00:55:43,607 --> 00:55:45,205
but I was anxious to move on and

1061
00:55:45,207 --> 00:55:49,877
do some other
things, so the series

1062
00:55:49,879 --> 00:55:53,080
proceeded for a while
without me and then

1063
00:55:53,082 --> 00:55:57,820
we decided to do Friday
the 13th Part Nine.

1064
00:55:58,922 --> 00:56:00,355
Fortunately the
person that was hired

1065
00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:04,958
to direct, Adam Marcus,
was a fan of mine

1066
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,828
as the character
and immediately said

1067
00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:09,696
hey, I want him to
play Jason again.

1068
00:56:09,698 --> 00:56:12,734
This is my third
go around as Jason.

1069
00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:14,402
He just brought
a certain kind of

1070
00:56:14,404 --> 00:56:17,404
consistency and flavor
to the character

1071
00:56:17,406 --> 00:56:20,141
that the fans really
responded to and I

1072
00:56:20,143 --> 00:56:24,245
would be mad if I were to
think of replacing him.

1073
00:56:24,247 --> 00:56:26,848
The last shot of
the movie, when I read

1074
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,384
the script for the
first time, it said

1075
00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:32,219
Jason's mask is
laying on the ground

1076
00:56:32,221 --> 00:56:35,656
and Freddy's hand
comes out of the ground

1077
00:56:35,658 --> 00:56:40,127
with the glove on and
the sweater, and grabs

1078
00:56:40,129 --> 00:56:42,397
the hockey mask and
pulls it into the ground

1079
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:46,967
to set up for
Freddy Versus Jason.

1080
00:56:46,969 --> 00:56:49,337
And I said okay,
well I'll tell you

1081
00:56:49,339 --> 00:56:50,937
one thing right
now, I'm gonna be

1082
00:56:50,939 --> 00:56:53,241
wearing that Freddy
glove to do that shot.

1083
00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,009
Nobody else is
gonna do it 'cause

1084
00:56:55,011 --> 00:56:56,743
Robert Englund is
not gonna do it.

1085
00:56:56,745 --> 00:56:59,846
I did that shot, I was
underneath the set,

1086
00:56:59,848 --> 00:57:02,917
pulled down the mask and
pulled it into the set

1087
00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:06,723
thinking I was setting up
for Freddy Versus Jason.

1088
00:57:09,459 --> 00:57:13,094
Back in 1983 I had a
meeting with Wes Craven

1089
00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:17,401
and he said I'm developing
a new character.

1090
00:57:19,201 --> 00:57:21,171
He's gonna have burn scars.

1091
00:57:22,772 --> 00:57:25,772
I'm thinking about using
somebody with real burn scars.

1092
00:57:25,774 --> 00:57:27,910
And I said wow, that's great.

1093
00:57:29,745 --> 00:57:31,344
What kind of
character, well he's

1094
00:57:31,346 --> 00:57:35,352
not a really nice
guy, he's a pedophile.

1095
00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:39,053
I said okay, and
with burn scars,

1096
00:57:39,055 --> 00:57:42,056
and his name is Fred Krueger.

1097
00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:43,725
Wes Craven was a
friend of mine, I did

1098
00:57:43,727 --> 00:57:46,194
a series with Wes
Craven and I know that,

1099
00:57:46,196 --> 00:57:47,395
I think there was
a time when he was

1100
00:57:47,397 --> 00:57:50,063
really considering
Kane to play Freddy.

1101
00:57:50,065 --> 00:57:52,799
Obviously we know
where this is all headed,

1102
00:57:52,801 --> 00:57:55,469
I did not play the
character because he

1103
00:57:55,471 --> 00:57:58,473
decided to go with a
more established actor

1104
00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:03,076
with prosthetics instead
of real burn scars.

1105
00:58:03,078 --> 00:58:06,179
I think Robert did an amazing
job as that character,

1106
00:58:06,181 --> 00:58:10,784
and obviously one of my horror
heroes is Robert Englund.

1107
00:58:10,786 --> 00:58:11,853
How different
life could've been

1108
00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:14,087
for everybody had that happened,

1109
00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:16,491
but I know that West
thought very highly of him.

1110
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,861
Well Kane and
I, we go way back.

1111
00:58:19,863 --> 00:58:22,897
Robert and I have been
friends for a long time.

1112
00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:24,998
We do conventions
together of course.

1113
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,835
And we just hit it off
because we both have to

1114
00:58:27,837 --> 00:58:31,806
go through a lot of the
same off-screen fan stuff.

1115
00:58:31,808 --> 00:58:32,940
Give it up
for Kane Hodder and

1116
00:58:32,942 --> 00:58:34,241
Robert Englund,
ladies and gentlemen!

1117
00:58:34,243 --> 00:58:35,942
When I started
in this business,

1118
00:58:35,944 --> 00:58:38,980
never anticipated ever
signing an autograph.

1119
00:58:38,982 --> 00:58:40,882
You loved it the first
time that goth girl

1120
00:58:40,884 --> 00:58:43,150
walked up to you and
went sign me, Kane!

1121
00:58:44,853 --> 00:58:46,453
But we have
worked together also

1122
00:58:46,455 --> 00:58:48,089
which was a lot of fun for me.

1123
00:58:48,091 --> 00:58:53,096
I had done a web series with
Robert called Fear Clinic.

1124
00:58:56,399 --> 00:58:57,832
Well Fear Clinic's
where Kane and I

1125
00:58:57,834 --> 00:59:00,234
got to do most of
our work together.

1126
00:59:00,236 --> 00:59:03,069
That's really where
we found our vibe

1127
00:59:03,071 --> 00:59:05,306
as actors together
'cause we were really,

1128
00:59:05,308 --> 00:59:08,275
we had a lot of
scenes between us.

1129
00:59:08,277 --> 00:59:11,112
I'm taking you down before
you kill anymore patients.

1130
00:59:11,114 --> 00:59:14,281
I'm not fond of this
new attitude of yours.

1131
00:59:14,283 --> 00:59:15,949
Clearly you don't understand the

1132
00:59:15,951 --> 00:59:18,451
employee/employer relationship.

1133
00:59:18,453 --> 00:59:20,020
Now help him!

1134
00:59:20,022 --> 00:59:21,888
Yeah, blah blah blah, I know,

1135
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:24,257
I got the body,
you got the brains.

1136
00:59:24,259 --> 00:59:26,259
It was fun working together.

1137
00:59:26,261 --> 00:59:27,862
It's cool to have
pictures of him

1138
00:59:27,864 --> 00:59:32,232
face to face arguing
without makeups on.

1139
00:59:32,234 --> 00:59:36,203
Really Freddy versus
Jason in a different way.

1140
00:59:36,205 --> 00:59:38,406
There was still this pressing,

1141
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:42,243
my pressing need to go
ahead with Freddy/Jason.

1142
00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:46,913
And still, because New
Line and Robert Englund

1143
00:59:46,915 --> 00:59:50,484
and some other issues,
we couldn't do that,

1144
00:59:50,486 --> 00:59:53,554
at least not yet, and
so that's what led

1145
00:59:53,556 --> 00:59:58,562
us to Jason X, or
Jason in Space.

1146
00:59:59,629 --> 01:00:01,429
It seemed like a really
good idea and was

1147
01:00:01,431 --> 01:00:03,630
a really fun notion
to try to figure

1148
01:00:03,632 --> 01:00:05,866
out how we would do all of that.

1149
01:00:05,868 --> 01:00:08,268
The sets were amazing and the

1150
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:12,440
movie was pretty
clever I thought.

1151
01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:14,609
There was a part
of the film where

1152
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,978
somebody created
a virtual reality

1153
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:20,948
to try and slow Jason
down, and all of a

1154
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:25,955
sudden Uber Jason was
back at Camp Crystal Lake.

1155
01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:28,288
We're in space and
we're looking for

1156
01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:30,091
all the kind of
gags that we used

1157
01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:31,591
to do and that
Jason's known for.

1158
01:00:31,593 --> 01:00:33,627
Basically this is just
for the fans really,

1159
01:00:33,629 --> 01:00:36,364
the fans of the previous films.

1160
01:00:36,366 --> 01:00:39,232
I had a girl in a sleeping bag,

1161
01:00:39,234 --> 01:00:41,167
and I was slamming
her against her

1162
01:00:41,169 --> 01:00:43,937
friend that was in
her sleeping bag.

1163
01:00:43,939 --> 01:00:46,073
So killing them both
with each other.

1164
01:00:46,075 --> 01:00:50,645
Redid the stunt that
the fans so loved.

1165
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,980
It was my idea to do one shot

1166
01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:56,386
to the tree just as a throwback.

1167
01:00:59,122 --> 01:01:01,221
It was just so silly.

1168
01:01:01,223 --> 01:01:02,623
My hands down
favorite Jason kill

1169
01:01:02,625 --> 01:01:05,158
is the frozen head
in Jason X where he

1170
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,661
lifts it up and then
just shatters it.

1171
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:08,962
Freeze the head in liquid
nitrogen and smash it.

1172
01:01:08,964 --> 01:01:10,431
Liquid nitrogen and
smashed on the table.

1173
01:01:10,433 --> 01:01:12,466
And then smashed it
and he brain rolls out.

1174
01:01:12,468 --> 01:01:14,000
I thought that was great.

1175
01:01:14,002 --> 01:01:15,201
No one was
expecting that and it

1176
01:01:15,203 --> 01:01:17,038
was just so gory and
so crazy, and just

1177
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,672
the way he does it, just tosses

1178
01:01:18,674 --> 01:01:21,942
her aside, it's an awesome kill.

1179
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:35,625
I got a call from an
executive at New Line.

1180
01:01:36,725 --> 01:01:38,426
She wanted to have
lunch with me.

1181
01:01:38,428 --> 01:01:41,027
She gave me a script
called Freddy Versus Jason

1182
01:01:41,029 --> 01:01:43,596
and she said we're
finally doing this movie.

1183
01:01:43,598 --> 01:01:47,969
And I said that is fantastic,
I'm so happy to hear that.

1184
01:01:47,971 --> 01:01:52,943
I assumed at that time that
meant I was doing the movie.

1185
01:01:54,310 --> 01:01:55,509
You're giving me the script
and saying we're finally

1186
01:01:55,511 --> 01:02:00,050
doing this movie, pretty
sure thing in my mind.

1187
01:02:01,183 --> 01:02:04,217
Then in the weeks that
followed I started

1188
01:02:04,219 --> 01:02:08,723
getting a weird
vibe from New Line.

1189
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:11,025
Well I knew Kane.

1190
01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:14,194
I was told by the
powers to be, for most

1191
01:02:14,196 --> 01:02:17,297
of that prep time it was
always gonna be Kane.

1192
01:02:17,299 --> 01:02:22,002
Ultimately I was
told that they had

1193
01:02:22,004 --> 01:02:25,373
hired somebody that
played Jason before.

1194
01:02:33,515 --> 01:02:35,518
Then I found out
it was Kirzinger.

1195
01:02:37,687 --> 01:02:42,692
I was like how is he having
played the character before?

1196
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:46,127
And then I remembered in
Part Eight, 'cause they

1197
01:02:46,129 --> 01:02:48,462
didn't want me to
take a chance of

1198
01:02:48,464 --> 01:02:51,732
getting hurt and not
being able to work,

1199
01:02:51,734 --> 01:02:54,634
I was forced to allow
Ken Kirzinger to do the

1200
01:02:54,636 --> 01:02:58,975
car hit where the cop car
hits Jason in the alley.

1201
01:03:00,609 --> 01:03:03,044
Even though I've done
that stunt many times,

1202
01:03:03,046 --> 01:03:04,678
they thought if you
get a broken leg

1203
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,147
or something we're in trouble.

1204
01:03:06,149 --> 01:03:08,783
It seems to me that
someone, I don't think

1205
01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,784
it was him, I'm almost
sure it wasn't him

1206
01:03:10,786 --> 01:03:13,353
because I've talked
about it with him,

1207
01:03:13,355 --> 01:03:15,790
but someone had represented him

1208
01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:18,759
as having played
the character also.

1209
01:03:18,761 --> 01:03:21,127
Based on that shot.

1210
01:03:21,129 --> 01:03:23,431
That was a done deal,
he was already hired,

1211
01:03:23,433 --> 01:03:28,171
and I, to say the
least I was devastated.

1212
01:03:29,571 --> 01:03:32,138
It's only a role, but
it's something that

1213
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:35,475
I had put my heart and
soul into for 15 years,

1214
01:03:35,477 --> 01:03:40,483
four films in a row,
and it seemed like...

1215
01:03:44,152 --> 01:03:45,288
None of that mattered.

1216
01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:54,527
I never in a million
years would've

1217
01:03:54,529 --> 01:03:56,600
given them a reason
to replace me.

1218
01:03:57,799 --> 01:03:59,567
By saying hey, I
want this much money

1219
01:03:59,569 --> 01:04:01,101
and they just say oh
can't afford that,

1220
01:04:01,103 --> 01:04:03,870
let's go somewhere
else, then that's on me.

1221
01:04:03,872 --> 01:04:05,873
But I would never
have given them any

1222
01:04:05,875 --> 01:04:07,708
kind of reason, I
was never difficult

1223
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:10,411
to work with, I was
never late to the

1224
01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:13,880
set and undependable,
nothing like that,

1225
01:04:13,882 --> 01:04:17,250
so I couldn't understand
why I was replaced and

1226
01:04:17,252 --> 01:04:21,290
I don't think I'll ever
know the real reason.

1227
01:04:23,526 --> 01:04:27,694
It was a very very low
point of my career.

1228
01:04:27,696 --> 01:04:31,434
It was almost as low a point
for me as getting burned.

1229
01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:35,839
Because I was never
told any reason.

1230
01:04:37,205 --> 01:04:39,375
Took me a long time
to get over that.

1231
01:04:57,426 --> 01:05:00,627
For almost 20
years he was Jason.

1232
01:05:00,629 --> 01:05:03,496
And in thousands of
fans, upon millions

1233
01:05:03,498 --> 01:05:05,665
around the world, he
is Jason, he always

1234
01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:07,902
will be Jason no
matter if someone

1235
01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:11,272
else plays him more than
once, or if he never

1236
01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:14,241
plays it again, he will
always be the Jason

1237
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:16,342
because he's the one
that made him iconic.

1238
01:05:16,344 --> 01:05:19,149
That made him more than
just a guy with a mask.

1239
01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:32,596
After the whole
mess of not doing the

1240
01:05:33,728 --> 01:05:38,734
Freddy Versus Jason
movie, I got contacted

1241
01:05:39,835 --> 01:05:43,807
by Adam Green about
a new character

1242
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:48,442
that he thought could
be a franchise also.

1243
01:05:48,444 --> 01:05:52,679
Well my first project with
Kane was the original Hatchet.

1244
01:05:52,681 --> 01:05:55,315
I was a huge fan of
all the slashers.

1245
01:05:55,317 --> 01:05:58,284
Michael Myers, Jason
Voorhees, Freddy Krueger,

1246
01:05:58,286 --> 01:06:01,955
and the concept
of possibly having

1247
01:06:01,957 --> 01:06:04,391
Kane Hodder be
Victor Crowley was

1248
01:06:04,393 --> 01:06:06,594
always just a pipe
dream, and then

1249
01:06:06,596 --> 01:06:08,895
John Buechler who was
doing the effects,

1250
01:06:08,897 --> 01:06:10,864
when he first suggested
well why don't

1251
01:06:10,866 --> 01:06:15,835
I show the script to Kane,
I was just like really?

1252
01:06:15,837 --> 01:06:16,971
Seriously?

1253
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,839
'Cause I didn't think
he'd wanna do it

1254
01:06:18,841 --> 01:06:20,643
just because he's
already done it.

1255
01:06:21,743 --> 01:06:25,245
And he had been a
fan of my work as Jason

1256
01:06:25,247 --> 01:06:29,549
and wanted to talk about playing

1257
01:06:29,551 --> 01:06:32,454
a character called
Victor Crowley.

1258
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:37,357
With Jason, he came
into that so late

1259
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,594
in the game, and as
much as he's the Jason

1260
01:06:40,596 --> 01:06:42,962
as far as anybody who
knows what they're

1261
01:06:42,964 --> 01:06:45,665
talking about with
Friday the 13th goes,

1262
01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:49,002
this was a great opportunity,
especially because

1263
01:06:49,004 --> 01:06:51,437
it's a very different
character and

1264
01:06:51,439 --> 01:06:53,973
he's not hidden behind
an emotionless mask.

1265
01:06:53,975 --> 01:06:56,743
I was somewhat
excited because it was

1266
01:06:56,745 --> 01:06:59,346
similar to Jason, it was
a character in makeup

1267
01:06:59,348 --> 01:07:04,353
that didn't speak and killed
everyone he could reach.

1268
01:07:05,288 --> 01:07:08,922
That movie was
very surprising.

1269
01:07:08,924 --> 01:07:11,292
It was very over the top.

1270
01:07:11,294 --> 01:07:14,627
It started like a
comedy at first and then

1271
01:07:14,629 --> 01:07:16,964
suddenly it switches
gears and it

1272
01:07:16,966 --> 01:07:20,333
turns into the most
horrendous over the

1273
01:07:20,335 --> 01:07:22,069
top makeup effects extravaganza.

1274
01:07:22,071 --> 01:07:23,937
I mean I love that.

1275
01:07:23,939 --> 01:07:26,373
I think Adam
purposefully didn't reveal

1276
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:27,940
everything in the
first movie so he

1277
01:07:27,942 --> 01:07:30,377
could give some more
information over

1278
01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:32,645
the second one and
ultimately answer

1279
01:07:32,647 --> 01:07:35,082
everything left
in the third one.

1280
01:07:35,084 --> 01:07:36,683
That's pretty
confident for a guy

1281
01:07:36,685 --> 01:07:39,053
that was unknown at the time to

1282
01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:40,721
assume that you're gonna get the

1283
01:07:40,723 --> 01:07:42,422
chance to tell your whole story

1284
01:07:42,424 --> 01:07:43,857
over the course of three films.

1285
01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:45,525
Kane was really one
of the only people

1286
01:07:45,527 --> 01:07:48,362
who I said what
the next two movies

1287
01:07:48,364 --> 01:07:50,730
were gonna be because
I feel like if you're

1288
01:07:50,732 --> 01:07:53,701
gonna do a slasher
series, you have to have

1289
01:07:53,703 --> 01:07:56,437
an endgame and you have to
have things planned out.

1290
01:07:56,439 --> 01:07:58,538
The idea of just
making one, and then

1291
01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:00,674
all of a sudden it
performed, so now

1292
01:08:00,676 --> 01:08:02,542
you're gonna make another
one, you can start

1293
01:08:02,544 --> 01:08:04,678
to tell as a fan
they're just finding

1294
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,513
their way with this
and they're just

1295
01:08:06,515 --> 01:08:08,515
either repeating the
same movie over again,

1296
01:08:08,517 --> 01:08:10,650
or they're making shit
up, but I had a plan.

1297
01:08:10,652 --> 01:08:15,054
There were a lot of similarities
to Jason with Victor.

1298
01:08:15,056 --> 01:08:16,957
And I did not wanna
do the same thing,

1299
01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:19,696
I wanted to do more
of a grotesque guy.

1300
01:08:21,697 --> 01:08:24,464
We did a demo appliance and the

1301
01:08:24,466 --> 01:08:28,602
prosthetics on top
of him, and I did it

1302
01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:31,038
in such a way that
it was risky because

1303
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,707
there was so much
prosthetic on his face,

1304
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,676
but I think it worked
out pretty well.

1305
01:08:35,678 --> 01:08:37,910
Kane really gets
into it and that's

1306
01:08:37,912 --> 01:08:41,448
why the characters he
plays are memorable.

1307
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:43,851
When you have a real
actor behind these

1308
01:08:43,853 --> 01:08:48,621
prosthetics and makeup, it
makes such a difference.

1309
01:08:48,623 --> 01:08:49,957
You can tell when it's
somebody just going

1310
01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:51,658
through the motions and
when it's a character.

1311
01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:53,427
There are a lot of
actors that could have

1312
01:08:53,429 --> 01:08:55,661
simply thrown the
makeup on and thrown

1313
01:08:55,663 --> 01:08:57,498
the prosthetics on
and just getting

1314
01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,133
in front of the camera
and going grrr like

1315
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,735
Godzilla in a Godzilla suit
or something like that.

1316
01:09:01,737 --> 01:09:04,937
He was, every night, in
uncomfortable situations,

1317
01:09:04,939 --> 01:09:08,142
he was off taking it
very very seriously,

1318
01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:11,145
so that when he came
out and when he did

1319
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:14,481
his performance, it
had a lot of weight

1320
01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:17,851
behind it and it had
a lot of realism.

1321
01:09:17,853 --> 01:09:19,186
I mean the character
really seems

1322
01:09:19,188 --> 01:09:21,621
like a creature that's in pain.

1323
01:09:21,623 --> 01:09:23,423
And so the fact
that he takes it so

1324
01:09:23,425 --> 01:09:25,592
seriously and does not want the

1325
01:09:25,594 --> 01:09:28,762
other actors to see
him at all, so when

1326
01:09:28,764 --> 01:09:31,198
he's in the makeup
he stays separate.

1327
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,034
Whenever I'm
playing a killer like

1328
01:09:34,036 --> 01:09:37,940
Jason or Victor
or anyone really,

1329
01:09:39,974 --> 01:09:43,576
I like to fuck with
the actors a little bit

1330
01:09:43,578 --> 01:09:48,585
for their performance
being enhanced

1331
01:09:49,718 --> 01:09:50,950
and also just for my
own entertainment.

1332
01:09:50,952 --> 01:09:52,619
The cast just
didn't know anything

1333
01:09:52,621 --> 01:09:54,655
about him and never
got to see him

1334
01:09:54,657 --> 01:09:56,923
or spend time with
him, and I think

1335
01:09:56,925 --> 01:09:58,792
that made a huge
difference because

1336
01:09:58,794 --> 01:10:00,793
that way what you
see in the movie

1337
01:10:00,795 --> 01:10:03,230
when the cast sees Victor
Crowley, that's their

1338
01:10:03,232 --> 01:10:05,932
first time seeing him
and they were terrified.

1339
01:10:05,934 --> 01:10:08,000
What he'll do is as
he's getting into

1340
01:10:08,002 --> 01:10:09,735
character you don't
know where he is.

1341
01:10:09,737 --> 01:10:11,070
He's off in the
woods somewhere and

1342
01:10:11,072 --> 01:10:14,007
you just hear him
screaming or kicking trees

1343
01:10:14,009 --> 01:10:17,945
and just these
bursts of rawr, rawr,

1344
01:10:17,947 --> 01:10:20,580
and the cast is
terrified at that point.

1345
01:10:22,852 --> 01:10:24,817
So the cast is
already convinced that

1346
01:10:24,819 --> 01:10:27,221
he's half crazy
anyway, and by doing

1347
01:10:27,223 --> 01:10:29,589
things like that it just brings

1348
01:10:29,591 --> 01:10:31,225
so much more to
their performance.

1349
01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:34,227
We would do some rehearsal
sometimes without him.

1350
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:36,098
B.J. McDonald would
come out and say

1351
01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:38,832
so Kane's gonna
come out from behind

1352
01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:41,034
the tree and when you
see him squeeze off

1353
01:10:41,036 --> 01:10:43,136
a couple of shots,
say your lines,

1354
01:10:43,138 --> 01:10:46,707
and run off in the
other direction.

1355
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:49,843
A lot of times the
only time I saw Kane

1356
01:10:49,845 --> 01:10:52,012
on the set was when
they would go action

1357
01:10:52,014 --> 01:10:55,982
and Victor Crowley would
come out, be in frame,

1358
01:10:55,984 --> 01:10:57,918
scream something horrible at us,

1359
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,218
and then I'd be
running for my life.

1360
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:00,753
And what was so funny
about it is when

1361
01:11:00,755 --> 01:11:02,755
you don't do a lot of
rehearsal with him,

1362
01:11:02,757 --> 01:11:04,958
he actually comes out
of the pitch black,

1363
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,496
out of the woods, and he
scares the crap out of you.

1364
01:11:09,864 --> 01:11:10,731
Amanda!

1365
01:11:11,834 --> 01:11:14,700
There's an interesting
connection about

1366
01:11:14,702 --> 01:11:17,070
having been through
some violent acts

1367
01:11:17,072 --> 01:11:21,941
in my past and being
able to recreate those on

1368
01:11:21,943 --> 01:11:26,045
film has to have
helped somewhat because

1369
01:11:26,047 --> 01:11:29,650
that's what people say
the most is when they

1370
01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:33,820
watch me kill somebody
on film, it's so violent.

1371
01:11:33,822 --> 01:11:36,757
So it's like to become
the ultimate badass.

1372
01:11:36,759 --> 01:11:39,226
I think it's a pretty
interesting thing that

1373
01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:43,195
he picked up as a result
of his background.

1374
01:11:43,197 --> 01:11:47,034
He got used to torment
and agony and suffering,

1375
01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:50,971
and then he just started
getting paid for it.

1376
01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:52,638
Good deal.

1377
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,776
When it comes to your death
scene, it's not gonna be easy.

1378
01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:57,311
I'm not gonna hurt
you, but it's not

1379
01:11:57,313 --> 01:12:00,646
gonna be comfortable
either because

1380
01:12:00,648 --> 01:12:02,982
I like a little bit of realism.

1381
01:12:02,984 --> 01:12:05,017
Without fail the actor will say

1382
01:12:05,019 --> 01:12:07,053
goddamn, that was
a little rough.

1383
01:12:07,055 --> 01:12:09,021
Then they see it on
screen and they love it.

1384
01:12:09,023 --> 01:12:10,757
And they're happy
we did it that way.

1385
01:12:10,759 --> 01:12:12,926
I've known him
for 33 years now.

1386
01:12:12,928 --> 01:12:15,195
I always wanted him to kill
me and finally that was

1387
01:12:15,197 --> 01:12:17,964
the thing where he sawed
me in half with a chainsaw.

1388
01:12:17,966 --> 01:12:20,700
And I told the guy that
was behind me, Coulton,

1389
01:12:20,702 --> 01:12:22,902
I said Coulton, he's
gonna take a chainsaw

1390
01:12:22,904 --> 01:12:24,972
and stick it between
our legs and lift us up

1391
01:12:24,974 --> 01:12:27,106
in the air and we're
gonna get sawed in half.

1392
01:12:27,108 --> 01:12:29,241
He goes yeah I know,
I said bring a cup.

1393
01:12:29,243 --> 01:12:33,946
And he goes why, I said
I know Kane, bring a cup.

1394
01:12:33,948 --> 01:12:35,248
So Kane comes out,
we're standing there

1395
01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:38,852
and he goes waff,
lifts us up in the air.

1396
01:12:38,854 --> 01:12:40,219
And as soon as
we're done Coulton's

1397
01:12:40,221 --> 01:12:42,222
like this, he goes thank you.

1398
01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,060
So yeah, Kane plays hard.

1399
01:12:47,662 --> 01:12:49,061
You would think
that would be enough,

1400
01:12:49,063 --> 01:12:52,231
but then there's the
pranks which I'm just

1401
01:12:52,233 --> 01:12:54,700
as guilty off because I
love doing it as well.

1402
01:12:54,702 --> 01:12:59,138
Adam and I decided that it
might be fun to scare Mercedes.

1403
01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:01,842
Mercedes McNab, on
the first Hatchet,

1404
01:13:01,844 --> 01:13:03,709
started to complain
after a while.

1405
01:13:03,711 --> 01:13:05,945
Well everybody else has
been pranked and Kane

1406
01:13:05,947 --> 01:13:08,347
scared them, but nobody's
done anything to me.

1407
01:13:08,349 --> 01:13:10,784
I was like, we were
already planning it,

1408
01:13:10,786 --> 01:13:13,320
but I'm like now you're
just asking for it.

1409
01:13:13,322 --> 01:13:16,390
So in the full Victor
Crowley getup Kane

1410
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:19,159
snuck into her
trailer and just stood

1411
01:13:19,161 --> 01:13:21,994
in the bathroom in
the dark for a good

1412
01:13:21,996 --> 01:13:25,432
20, 25 minutes, and
just waited for her.

1413
01:13:25,434 --> 01:13:27,901
Then Joel David
Moore had a camera

1414
01:13:27,903 --> 01:13:29,436
that day on set
where he was just

1415
01:13:29,438 --> 01:13:32,039
documenting his
day, and so they go

1416
01:13:32,041 --> 01:13:34,106
into Mercedes'
trailer and Joel's

1417
01:13:34,108 --> 01:13:36,008
interviewing her,
and when he says so

1418
01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:38,411
what was your favorite
Victor Crowley moment.

1419
01:13:38,413 --> 01:13:41,013
Kane just comes bursting
out of the bathroom.

1420
01:13:43,885 --> 01:13:45,285
Goddammit!

1421
01:13:45,287 --> 01:13:49,356
I scared the absolute
shit out of her.

1422
01:13:49,358 --> 01:13:51,324
It was very funny.

1423
01:13:51,326 --> 01:13:53,893
I think she called me some
names that I had never

1424
01:13:53,895 --> 01:13:56,232
been called before, so
that was pretty creative.

1425
01:14:03,005 --> 01:14:04,771
What he wouldn't
want you to know though

1426
01:14:04,773 --> 01:14:07,406
is that the things
that he wants, like in

1427
01:14:07,408 --> 01:14:09,910
his trailer, are
peanut butter and jelly

1428
01:14:09,912 --> 01:14:14,047
and DVDs of Saturday Night Live.

1429
01:14:14,049 --> 01:14:15,781
We would use code
and be like oh bring

1430
01:14:15,783 --> 01:14:17,984
another dead baby
to Kane's trailer,

1431
01:14:17,986 --> 01:14:20,052
or another bottle of Jack
or whatever, but it's

1432
01:14:20,054 --> 01:14:21,487
really just peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches.

1433
01:14:21,489 --> 01:14:24,359
He's a very simple guy
when it comes to that.

1434
01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:28,328
My favorite Victor
kill is one of the

1435
01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:30,329
goriest kills in the
history of cinema where

1436
01:14:30,331 --> 01:14:34,901
he grabs the woman's
mouth and rips it open.

1437
01:14:34,903 --> 01:14:36,936
Anybody can kill
people with a gun,

1438
01:14:36,938 --> 01:14:39,806
but how many people
can catch a woman

1439
01:14:39,808 --> 01:14:42,808
who's running away
from them and put your

1440
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:45,478
hands in her mouth and
rip her head apart?

1441
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:47,079
Now that's creative.

1442
01:14:47,081 --> 01:14:50,217
I like the more hands
on creative things,

1443
01:14:50,219 --> 01:14:53,285
I mean that's my favorite
kill that I've ever done.

1444
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:03,496
Hysterical because
when I started writing

1445
01:15:03,498 --> 01:15:06,799
Kane's biography,
my aunt was like oh

1446
01:15:06,801 --> 01:15:08,134
who is this guy
you're writing about,

1447
01:15:08,136 --> 01:15:10,870
so she decided to watch
Hatchet, and she's

1448
01:15:10,872 --> 01:15:12,239
never watched a horror
movie pretty much

1449
01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:15,208
in her life, and she
saw that scene and

1450
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:17,843
threw up three times,
and Kane thinks it's

1451
01:15:17,845 --> 01:15:19,445
the greatest thing in
the world that someone

1452
01:15:19,447 --> 01:15:21,847
threw up because of a
kill he had in a film.

1453
01:15:21,849 --> 01:15:26,052
It's fun as hell to have an
effect like that one somebody.

1454
01:15:26,054 --> 01:15:27,987
I mean for me,
knowing that Kane is our

1455
01:15:27,989 --> 01:15:30,390
stunt coordinator,
I know I don't have

1456
01:15:30,392 --> 01:15:33,125
to worry about getting
hurt, so I always say

1457
01:15:33,127 --> 01:15:35,829
if Kane's coordinating
I'm doing my own stunts.

1458
01:15:35,831 --> 01:15:38,397
Unless Kane says you
can't do this Dee,

1459
01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:40,803
is the only time
that I won't do it.

1460
01:15:42,904 --> 01:15:44,937
When Adam first
talked to me about

1461
01:15:44,939 --> 01:15:47,507
playing Victor, I asked him if I

1462
01:15:47,509 --> 01:15:51,945
could do something
as another character

1463
01:15:51,947 --> 01:15:54,280
and show some emotion
because I wanted

1464
01:15:54,282 --> 01:15:56,549
to show people that
I could do something

1465
01:15:56,551 --> 01:15:59,855
other than just
violently kill them.

1466
01:16:01,023 --> 01:16:03,423
So that's when he came
up with the idea of the

1467
01:16:03,425 --> 01:16:07,427
father, he said let's have
you play Victor's father.

1468
01:16:07,429 --> 01:16:09,061
I already believed that Kane

1469
01:16:09,063 --> 01:16:11,130
could play Victor
Crowley's father,

1470
01:16:11,132 --> 01:16:15,468
so it's funny, he
approached that as

1471
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:18,038
let me prove to you
that I can do this.

1472
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,606
He was already cast,
and I don't know

1473
01:16:19,608 --> 01:16:21,007
if I should admit that, but I

1474
01:16:21,009 --> 01:16:22,542
already believed he could do it.

1475
01:16:22,544 --> 01:16:24,210
Just sat
there for almost 10 years

1476
01:16:24,212 --> 01:16:26,045
before he finally died
of a broken heart.

1477
01:16:26,047 --> 01:16:29,015
And I think he surprised
himself a few times,

1478
01:16:29,017 --> 01:16:32,052
but I just love that he's
up for the challenge.

1479
01:16:32,054 --> 01:16:34,486
I mean we all draw from
our own life experiences

1480
01:16:34,488 --> 01:16:37,257
and they help us become
who we are and how we

1481
01:16:37,259 --> 01:16:40,125
deal with things and how
willing we are to open up.

1482
01:16:40,127 --> 01:16:43,597
He got to be himself and
not be covered in makeup.

1483
01:16:43,599 --> 01:16:48,805
And he cried on camera for
real for the first time.

1484
01:16:49,971 --> 01:16:53,138
He was so inspired
and moved by that.

1485
01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:56,343
He got out of monster
stuntman, gonna do what

1486
01:16:56,345 --> 01:16:58,078
I know how to do and I'm gonna

1487
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,045
literally take the mask off and

1488
01:17:00,047 --> 01:17:01,580
I'm gonna be
vulnerable, and that's

1489
01:17:01,582 --> 01:17:03,083
something that I think is really

1490
01:17:03,085 --> 01:17:06,285
hard for a lot of
people, especially a man,

1491
01:17:06,287 --> 01:17:08,221
and someone like
Kane, so when he did

1492
01:17:08,223 --> 01:17:11,258
the scene he got a
taste of the bug.

1493
01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:13,959
They say when you get
the bug it's like a drug.

1494
01:17:13,961 --> 01:17:16,629
So it worked out
very well, that started

1495
01:17:16,631 --> 01:17:19,132
all the people
thinking wait a second,

1496
01:17:19,134 --> 01:17:22,502
he can do something
else, so let's try this.

1497
01:17:22,504 --> 01:17:24,372
That was the beginning
of all of it.

1498
01:17:30,979 --> 01:17:32,611
Every time I see
Kane at a convention,

1499
01:17:32,613 --> 01:17:34,647
of course we're always
choking each other,

1500
01:17:34,649 --> 01:17:36,016
that's the first thing we do,

1501
01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,118
we just go over and
choke each other.

1502
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,285
He can really choke you.

1503
01:17:39,287 --> 01:17:41,021
He's like, Kane,
we're just joking

1504
01:17:41,023 --> 01:17:42,489
around, you're
like turning blue.

1505
01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:44,190
Kane definitely
choked me one time,

1506
01:17:44,192 --> 01:17:47,326
he grabbed me, he's a
tremendously powerful man

1507
01:17:47,328 --> 01:17:52,164
and his hands are large,
so when he puts the grip

1508
01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:54,935
around your neck it's
surprisingly tighter than

1509
01:17:54,937 --> 01:17:57,137
you think it's gonna
be, so you're like

1510
01:17:57,139 --> 01:17:59,539
oh wow, that's fun,
I can't breathe.

1511
01:17:59,541 --> 01:18:01,978
I'm known for choking
people at conventions.

1512
01:18:03,278 --> 01:18:07,382
Anybody that's had me do it
knows that I choke you for real.

1513
01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:10,950
I don't say it in
a cavalier way,

1514
01:18:10,952 --> 01:18:13,186
it's just what I've
become known for.

1515
01:18:13,188 --> 01:18:15,288
People love it and
they love to bring

1516
01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:17,723
their friends who
have never met me

1517
01:18:17,725 --> 01:18:20,427
because they can't wait
to watch the reaction of

1518
01:18:20,429 --> 01:18:22,161
the person 'cause they've
all been through it.

1519
01:18:22,163 --> 01:18:25,164
Watching people turn
blue as he chokes them.

1520
01:18:27,269 --> 01:18:29,436
Yeah, they're a
little unexpected.

1521
01:18:31,473 --> 01:18:33,306
I thought I was dying
'cause I was like I'm

1522
01:18:33,308 --> 01:18:36,075
fucking getting choked
what's going on, holy shit.

1523
01:18:36,077 --> 01:18:38,445
Yeah, it does seem
real, you can feel the

1524
01:18:38,447 --> 01:18:40,245
pressure of the hand
grip around your neck.

1525
01:18:40,247 --> 01:18:41,414
It definitely felt real.

1526
01:18:41,416 --> 01:18:43,182
It felt real and it's awesome.

1527
01:18:43,184 --> 01:18:44,383
Does he ever choke you?

1528
01:18:44,385 --> 01:18:45,584
It hurts.

1529
01:18:45,586 --> 01:18:47,753
He choked me to
death, I don't know.

1530
01:18:47,755 --> 01:18:49,254
I introduced
Kane to my mom and

1531
01:18:49,256 --> 01:18:50,990
he's like come
here, and he does it

1532
01:18:50,992 --> 01:18:53,994
and I'm just like that's
my mom, Kane, stop!

1533
01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:54,931
She can't breathe!

1534
01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:58,063
I've been choked by
Kane quite a few times.

1535
01:18:58,065 --> 01:18:59,065
It shocks you a little bit.

1536
01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:00,200
I guess that's the idea.

1537
01:19:00,202 --> 01:19:03,372
I was new to Kane's
choking tricks.

1538
01:19:04,505 --> 01:19:06,740
Kane put his hands
on mine and started

1539
01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:09,174
squeezing really
hard and I realized

1540
01:19:09,176 --> 01:19:10,744
oh my God and there
was nothing I could do

1541
01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:13,713
in terms of
countering his power.

1542
01:19:13,715 --> 01:19:17,017
Kane was really
choking and I panicked.

1543
01:19:17,019 --> 01:19:19,753
He'll grab someone,
he'll grab them.

1544
01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,657
I mean you'll hear them go.

1545
01:19:23,325 --> 01:19:24,656
He really gets in
there, I think he

1546
01:19:24,658 --> 01:19:28,227
enjoys actually scaring
people for real.

1547
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:30,262
He's the only one
I've let choke me, so.

1548
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:35,101
People love to get
choked out by Kane Hodder.

1549
01:19:35,103 --> 01:19:36,201
I don't get it.

1550
01:19:36,203 --> 01:19:37,771
I don't understand.

1551
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,204
It does nothing for me.

1552
01:19:40,675 --> 01:19:43,043
But I guess that's
your chance to be

1553
01:19:43,045 --> 01:19:45,247
in a scene essentially
with Jason.

1554
01:19:46,447 --> 01:19:48,647
Well my experiences
with Kane are not

1555
01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:50,450
horror related, my
experiences with

1556
01:19:50,452 --> 01:19:52,584
Kane are comedy
related, and what a lot

1557
01:19:52,586 --> 01:19:56,321
of people don't know is
that Kane is very funny.

1558
01:19:56,323 --> 01:19:58,191
He's a natural comic.

1559
01:19:58,193 --> 01:20:00,526
By the time we got
to Holliston, I mean at

1560
01:20:00,528 --> 01:20:02,695
this point Kane doesn't
even need to see

1561
01:20:02,697 --> 01:20:04,597
a script I don't
think, I just say

1562
01:20:04,599 --> 01:20:07,366
oh hey, we're doing this,
and he'll be like great.

1563
01:20:07,368 --> 01:20:11,538
He said he wanted me
to play myself in it.

1564
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:13,073
I thought that's interesting.

1565
01:20:13,075 --> 01:20:15,408
The idea of making
fun of the whole

1566
01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:17,509
Kane losing the
character of Jason

1567
01:20:17,511 --> 01:20:19,579
in Freddy Versus
Jason thing and making

1568
01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:21,548
that a plot point and having him

1569
01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:23,816
own it and laugh at it and make

1570
01:20:23,818 --> 01:20:27,152
fun of it was huge, and for me

1571
01:20:27,154 --> 01:20:29,422
I was just like I
hope he gets it.

1572
01:20:29,424 --> 01:20:31,857
And this was somewhat
a touchy subject

1573
01:20:31,859 --> 01:20:35,094
not long before this,
he said now I want

1574
01:20:35,096 --> 01:20:38,397
you to freak out and
try to kill yourself

1575
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:41,536
every time somebody says
Freddy Versus Jason.

1576
01:20:42,703 --> 01:20:45,504
I was like wow,
that is going into

1577
01:20:45,506 --> 01:20:48,508
an area that was once
very sensitive to me,

1578
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:52,715
but maybe it's time
to make light of that.

1579
01:20:53,614 --> 01:20:54,780
That's exactly what we did.

1580
01:20:54,782 --> 01:20:57,150
Oh God.

1581
01:20:57,152 --> 01:20:57,816
Oh!

1582
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:59,819
Hey.

1583
01:20:59,821 --> 01:21:01,353
He got it, and he
realized hey, if I

1584
01:21:01,355 --> 01:21:03,690
do this, it goes away finally.

1585
01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,592
If I'm the one to stand here and

1586
01:21:05,594 --> 01:21:07,593
make jokes about it
and be all pathetic

1587
01:21:07,595 --> 01:21:10,295
and try to kill myself
anytime somebody says

1588
01:21:10,297 --> 01:21:13,799
Freddy Versus Jason, nobody
can say anything anymore.

1589
01:21:13,801 --> 01:21:16,335
So I tried to
make fun of it and

1590
01:21:16,337 --> 01:21:18,804
the fans responded
to it, they respected

1591
01:21:18,806 --> 01:21:22,875
the fact that I could
finally do that.

1592
01:21:22,877 --> 01:21:24,377
It was a fun thing to do.

1593
01:21:24,379 --> 01:21:26,247
I don't have any friends.

1594
01:21:27,349 --> 01:21:28,717
I'm not even Jason anymore.

1595
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:31,884
Now I'm gonna get
stuck doing shit

1596
01:21:31,886 --> 01:21:35,221
Friday the 13th ripoffs
with wannabe young directors

1597
01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:37,824
that think they're making
the next horror icon.

1598
01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:39,659
Nice ad-lib, dick.

1599
01:21:39,661 --> 01:21:40,826
You like that?

1600
01:21:40,828 --> 01:21:44,864
I've never had an
acting class in my life.

1601
01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:49,537
I did do a stage production
in high school.

1602
01:22:19,867 --> 01:22:22,569
I enjoyed performing,
but I had never

1603
01:22:22,571 --> 01:22:24,937
been trained and
still hadn't ever

1604
01:22:24,939 --> 01:22:27,675
had any formal acting training.

1605
01:22:28,843 --> 01:22:32,779
If I do in fact have any
talent with acting it's

1606
01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:37,786
gotta be from watching
quality actors work in person.

1607
01:22:42,724 --> 01:22:46,258
Did a movie called Monster
with Charlize Theron.

1608
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:48,897
I was the stunt
coordinator on the movie.

1609
01:22:50,264 --> 01:22:52,432
I always say that
was some of my best

1610
01:22:52,434 --> 01:22:54,700
acting training was
watching her work.

1611
01:22:54,702 --> 01:22:56,602
I was on the set every day
helping her through the

1612
01:22:56,604 --> 01:23:01,544
action stuff and watching
her prepare and do scenes.

1613
01:23:02,644 --> 01:23:03,843
Then the director
said you know, I think

1614
01:23:03,845 --> 01:23:05,381
I want you to play
a cop in this movie.

1615
01:23:06,313 --> 01:23:08,548
I was like a cop, wow.

1616
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:09,915
I'm always a bad guy,
this is one of the

1617
01:23:09,917 --> 01:23:13,552
first times I've been
asked to play a good guy.

1618
01:23:13,554 --> 01:23:15,754
I'm gonna be a cop,
finally something good,

1619
01:23:15,756 --> 01:23:16,755
and she goes yeah, you're gonna

1620
01:23:16,757 --> 01:23:19,592
be undercover in a biker bar.

1621
01:23:19,594 --> 01:23:21,494
Oh, well there you go.

1622
01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:22,829
Same thing as always.

1623
01:23:22,831 --> 01:23:24,733
Two whiskeys, two
beers for the lady.

1624
01:23:27,469 --> 01:23:28,901
I'm VG.

1625
01:23:28,903 --> 01:23:29,838
Come in here much?

1626
01:23:32,806 --> 01:23:33,841
Oh come on.

1627
01:23:40,581 --> 01:23:43,583
But it was very
cool to do a scene

1628
01:23:43,585 --> 01:23:46,918
with someone who wins an
Oscar for the character

1629
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,922
that they're playing in
the scene you're doing.

1630
01:23:49,924 --> 01:23:52,959
I was so proud of
him for doing that

1631
01:23:52,961 --> 01:23:55,364
'cause it was such
an amazing movie.

1632
01:23:56,665 --> 01:23:59,432
All of us get pigeonholed
into certain things

1633
01:23:59,434 --> 01:24:02,834
and to break out of
that has been amazing.

1634
01:24:02,836 --> 01:24:05,304
He made that
transition from stuntman

1635
01:24:05,306 --> 01:24:09,776
to stunt coordinator
to actor and really

1636
01:24:09,778 --> 01:24:14,513
did all three very effectively.

1637
01:24:14,515 --> 01:24:15,748
Personally I love
seeing him without

1638
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:17,650
the makeup because
he is a good actor

1639
01:24:17,652 --> 01:24:18,985
and people are
finally giving him

1640
01:24:18,987 --> 01:24:22,021
a chance to show
his acting chops.

1641
01:24:22,023 --> 01:24:25,658
Another guy that I
credit to helping me expand

1642
01:24:25,660 --> 01:24:29,561
my acting career in a
big way was Mike Feifer.

1643
01:24:29,563 --> 01:24:31,798
I think that Kane was
at a place in his career

1644
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,966
where he was looking
to do real roles,

1645
01:24:33,968 --> 01:24:36,668
to actually show
that he could act.

1646
01:24:36,670 --> 01:24:38,670
I think, you can
imagine you're behind

1647
01:24:38,672 --> 01:24:42,975
the mask for so
long, nobody knows

1648
01:24:42,977 --> 01:24:44,910
who you are or
what you look like.

1649
01:24:44,912 --> 01:24:46,346
Kane is an actor.

1650
01:24:46,348 --> 01:24:48,847
He called and said
hey, I'm gonna do a

1651
01:24:48,849 --> 01:24:51,984
movie about Ed Gein, I
want you to be in it.

1652
01:24:51,986 --> 01:24:53,919
It's based on the story.

1653
01:24:53,921 --> 01:24:55,823
I think you would
be good in the role.

1654
01:24:57,392 --> 01:24:58,924
I was impressed that he
had that confidence in me.

1655
01:24:58,926 --> 01:25:00,959
I specifically
remember a moment where

1656
01:25:00,961 --> 01:25:02,962
he's sad and he's
upset and he has

1657
01:25:02,964 --> 01:25:04,896
a picture of his
mother and he drops

1658
01:25:04,898 --> 01:25:06,899
the picture and he hits the wall

1659
01:25:06,901 --> 01:25:09,968
and he slides down
the wall crying.

1660
01:25:09,970 --> 01:25:13,573
And I was like wow, I mean
there's somewhere he's reaching.

1661
01:25:13,575 --> 01:25:16,042
I tried to make
him uncomfortable

1662
01:25:16,044 --> 01:25:20,079
all the time, just
weird and creepy

1663
01:25:20,081 --> 01:25:22,448
'cause that's the
impression I got

1664
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,717
from reading books
about Ed that he

1665
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:27,453
wasn't really that
terrifying, but everybody

1666
01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:30,757
was always like God,
that guy's weird.

1667
01:25:30,759 --> 01:25:33,125
So I tried to make him just feel

1668
01:25:33,127 --> 01:25:35,861
uncomfortable all
the time and it was

1669
01:25:35,863 --> 01:25:38,567
great playing a
character like that.

1670
01:25:41,736 --> 01:25:43,503
He said I liked what
you did in Ed Gein,

1671
01:25:43,505 --> 01:25:45,905
now I want you to
play Dennis Rader,

1672
01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,441
who was a guy known as
B.T.K., another real guy

1673
01:25:49,443 --> 01:25:52,844
who was a serial killer
and I loved that role

1674
01:25:52,846 --> 01:25:57,517
because here's a
character that an actor

1675
01:25:57,519 --> 01:26:00,786
would die for because
he has to be really

1676
01:26:00,788 --> 01:26:03,755
likable in a lot of
scenes because that's

1677
01:26:03,757 --> 01:26:05,892
what the history was with him.

1678
01:26:05,894 --> 01:26:07,493
People loved the guy.

1679
01:26:07,495 --> 01:26:09,795
He was a church president,
he was a Boy Scout leader,

1680
01:26:09,797 --> 01:26:13,031
and then he was a
murderous maniac.

1681
01:26:13,033 --> 01:26:14,499
That's right, girls.

1682
01:26:14,501 --> 01:26:15,700
Your father has been chosen to

1683
01:26:15,702 --> 01:26:17,638
take the church down a new path.

1684
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:24,977
I think he really
creepily enjoyed

1685
01:26:24,979 --> 01:26:27,012
playing that character,
so it was fun

1686
01:26:27,014 --> 01:26:29,048
to watch Kane inhabit
this role of this

1687
01:26:29,050 --> 01:26:32,118
straight guy who's
really mean and nasty.

1688
01:26:38,559 --> 01:26:40,860
Kane and I are doing a movie
together called Death House.

1689
01:26:40,862 --> 01:26:42,661
Directed by a guy
named Harrison Smith.

1690
01:26:42,663 --> 01:26:44,963
What I love about
Kane is that he

1691
01:26:44,965 --> 01:26:47,165
speaks exactly
what's on his mind.

1692
01:26:47,167 --> 01:26:49,569
And it was a lot of
fun working with Kane.

1693
01:26:49,571 --> 01:26:52,070
It's awesome, it's like
The Expendables of horror.

1694
01:26:52,072 --> 01:26:54,473
It's got all kinds of
horror stars in it.

1695
01:26:54,475 --> 01:26:56,609
Kane's the big bad
guy in the script.

1696
01:26:56,611 --> 01:26:58,945
Kane's character
Sieg has a very

1697
01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:00,812
unique ability to regenerate.

1698
01:27:00,814 --> 01:27:03,850
So he gets shot, bullet holes
seal up, things like that.

1699
01:27:03,852 --> 01:27:05,687
The way out is not that way.

1700
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:07,589
It's down.

1701
01:27:08,822 --> 01:27:09,690
To them.

1702
01:27:11,091 --> 01:27:12,225
With me.

1703
01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:15,761
To work with him as an
actor, consummate professional.

1704
01:27:15,763 --> 01:27:18,263
He's really concerned about
the quality of his performance.

1705
01:27:18,265 --> 01:27:20,999
Most of all, that
imagination of his,

1706
01:27:21,001 --> 01:27:23,602
he brought, I mean
he was the character.

1707
01:27:23,604 --> 01:27:24,971
That's what I loved
about him, he took this

1708
01:27:24,973 --> 01:27:27,106
totally seriously, and
after we were done shooting

1709
01:27:27,108 --> 01:27:29,645
Bill Moseley said, he
goes this is Kane's movie.

1710
01:27:30,778 --> 01:27:33,245
Now Bill Moseley is
also hyper intelligent,

1711
01:27:33,247 --> 01:27:36,848
so when you get Kane and
Bill Moseley together,

1712
01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:38,084
I mean I just sit there and it's

1713
01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:40,785
like they're talking
in.

1714
01:27:40,787 --> 01:27:42,120
It's like I have
no idea what these

1715
01:27:42,122 --> 01:27:43,990
two guys are talking
to each other about.

1716
01:27:43,992 --> 01:27:46,124
But they both have
really bizarre sense

1717
01:27:46,126 --> 01:27:49,661
of humor, so it's
always so much fun.

1718
01:27:49,663 --> 01:27:52,130
And Kane is especially
smart, and I think he

1719
01:27:52,132 --> 01:27:55,167
prides himself on
talking about his MENSA,

1720
01:27:55,169 --> 01:27:57,035
'cause a lot of
times we play pretty

1721
01:27:57,037 --> 01:28:00,873
dumb, scary, one
note characters.

1722
01:28:00,875 --> 01:28:03,075
I will fuck you in Hell.

1723
01:28:03,077 --> 01:28:06,678
It's been in the
works for a while and

1724
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,048
some of the best horror
icons are involved.

1725
01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:11,816
I don't know what
Kane's career would've

1726
01:28:11,818 --> 01:28:14,619
taken had he been cast
in Freddy Versus Jason.

1727
01:28:14,621 --> 01:28:17,623
It didn't happen and
Kane, being a survivor

1728
01:28:17,625 --> 01:28:20,159
that he is, and most of
all transcending that

1729
01:28:20,161 --> 01:28:23,929
mask role, went off and
forged another career.

1730
01:28:23,931 --> 01:28:25,565
Nobody handed it
to him, he worked

1731
01:28:25,567 --> 01:28:27,900
his balls off to
get back, and I mean

1732
01:28:27,902 --> 01:28:29,634
he worked and he
worked and he worked

1733
01:28:29,636 --> 01:28:31,603
and it finally paid
off, he got the

1734
01:28:31,605 --> 01:28:34,073
Jason, the Victor Crowley
and things like that,

1735
01:28:34,075 --> 01:28:37,176
and honestly, just
me, I'm proud of him

1736
01:28:37,178 --> 01:28:39,911
because I've known
him for a long time.

1737
01:28:39,913 --> 01:28:41,646
I know where he
came from, I know

1738
01:28:41,648 --> 01:28:44,151
the things that vexed
him a little bit.

1739
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:54,994
While the burns scarred
him physically forever,

1740
01:28:54,996 --> 01:28:59,130
the worst effects from the
burns were actually mental.

1741
01:28:59,132 --> 01:29:03,069
I was burned when I was
a child on 35% of my body.

1742
01:29:03,071 --> 01:29:05,036
We have talked about
that and discussed it,

1743
01:29:05,038 --> 01:29:07,807
and I think we felt
a little bit of

1744
01:29:07,809 --> 01:29:12,078
comradery because of
our burns and getting

1745
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,780
through your life and
trying to deal with that.

1746
01:29:14,782 --> 01:29:17,350
Most patients the
recovery is difficult

1747
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,686
because of posttraumatic stress.

1748
01:29:20,688 --> 01:29:22,821
As a little kid I
had a really amazingly

1749
01:29:22,823 --> 01:29:24,856
hard time, and really
all my life with it,

1750
01:29:24,858 --> 01:29:26,325
and to go through
what he's gone through

1751
01:29:26,327 --> 01:29:28,828
I can't even imagine
because it took me

1752
01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:30,832
my whole life to be
able to deal with it.

1753
01:29:33,367 --> 01:29:35,870
I started getting
the feelings of...

1754
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,775
And it's been, I've
been to many therapists

1755
01:29:42,777 --> 01:29:45,110
and stuff and it's
been classified as

1756
01:29:45,112 --> 01:29:47,679
PTSD type thing
from the accident,

1757
01:29:47,681 --> 01:29:51,049
everything I went
through, slowly manifested

1758
01:29:51,051 --> 01:29:54,986
itself because since
my parents and my

1759
01:29:54,988 --> 01:29:56,856
sisters were the only
ones that saw me,

1760
01:29:56,858 --> 01:29:59,225
and I got a staph
infection and almost

1761
01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:02,328
died as a result, that
somehow I've come to the

1762
01:30:02,330 --> 01:30:05,830
conclusion within my
brain, not consciously,

1763
01:30:05,832 --> 01:30:10,605
but that they had
something to do with that.

1764
01:30:11,706 --> 01:30:14,940
So for some reason,
years later, gradually I

1765
01:30:14,942 --> 01:30:19,948
started feeling that
if my parents or my

1766
01:30:21,049 --> 01:30:24,450
sisters came to where
I lived, then they

1767
01:30:24,452 --> 01:30:26,655
were bringing something
bad with them.

1768
01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:31,323
It's almost the worst
part of this whole ordeal.

1769
01:30:31,325 --> 01:30:32,892
Everyone that had
anything to do with

1770
01:30:32,894 --> 01:30:37,429
him at that time was
suddenly infected,

1771
01:30:37,431 --> 01:30:40,466
they were contaminated in a way.

1772
01:30:40,468 --> 01:30:41,933
Even his own mother,
who was the one

1773
01:30:41,935 --> 01:30:43,168
who took care of him
and stretched him

1774
01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:45,170
and did every single
thing afterwards

1775
01:30:45,172 --> 01:30:47,707
when he came home, all
the therapy with him,

1776
01:30:47,709 --> 01:30:49,341
if she wanted to
see Kane she had

1777
01:30:49,343 --> 01:30:51,276
to go through what
he calls a process.

1778
01:30:51,278 --> 01:30:53,445
I would have to
have them, once they

1779
01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:58,049
arrived at the house,
give me everything

1780
01:30:58,051 --> 01:30:59,317
they brought with
them so I can put

1781
01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:01,454
it in the washing
machine, they'd have

1782
01:31:01,456 --> 01:31:06,662
to go immediately
into the shower and

1783
01:31:07,327 --> 01:31:08,793
get rid of whatever they brought

1784
01:31:08,795 --> 01:31:11,030
with them, that's
how it felt to me.

1785
01:31:11,032 --> 01:31:13,932
If I washed all their
clothes and they took

1786
01:31:13,934 --> 01:31:16,502
a shower, then I was fine
with them being in the house.

1787
01:31:16,504 --> 01:31:18,771
It's ridiculous,
I'm the first one

1788
01:31:18,773 --> 01:31:21,106
to admit that it's
ridiculous, but it

1789
01:31:21,108 --> 01:31:24,477
was something I
could not control.

1790
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,112
I would either ask
them to do that

1791
01:31:27,114 --> 01:31:28,813
or I wouldn't be
able to have them

1792
01:31:28,815 --> 01:31:31,053
come to the house,
so what's worse?

1793
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:34,853
Now that my mom
is gone, I've seem

1794
01:31:34,855 --> 01:31:38,324
to have lost touch
with everyone.

1795
01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:41,427
It's a sad thing
because I was always

1796
01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:44,295
very close to my
family and obviously

1797
01:31:44,297 --> 01:31:49,270
it's basically, it's
my fault that I don't.

1798
01:31:50,438 --> 01:31:51,771
He lost a lot
of family members

1799
01:31:51,773 --> 01:31:52,972
because of it
because they couldn't

1800
01:31:52,974 --> 01:31:54,373
understand the
OCD that Kane had.

1801
01:31:54,375 --> 01:31:57,109
It's not something
I'm proud of certainly.

1802
01:31:57,111 --> 01:31:59,911
I'm ashamed of it,
but it's just the

1803
01:31:59,913 --> 01:32:03,384
one thing I was
not able to beat.

1804
01:32:04,852 --> 01:32:06,886
And I have to live with that.

1805
01:32:15,395 --> 01:32:17,099
I don't give up on anything.

1806
01:32:18,431 --> 01:32:21,402
My wife and kids know that and
they mean everything to me.

1807
01:32:23,571 --> 01:32:26,006
My wife Susan is very...

1808
01:32:27,274 --> 01:32:29,877
She's a therapist,
she has a practice.

1809
01:32:30,978 --> 01:32:33,279
For many years
helping people cope

1810
01:32:33,281 --> 01:32:34,512
with certain problems and stuff,

1811
01:32:34,514 --> 01:32:39,151
so she's very caring
and empathetic.

1812
01:32:39,153 --> 01:32:41,890
And helps people get through
some stuff, including me.

1813
01:32:43,023 --> 01:32:44,856
I'm probably her
star client because

1814
01:32:44,858 --> 01:32:47,560
I've had so many
issues that she's

1815
01:32:47,562 --> 01:32:51,163
helped me deal with
and been very patient.

1816
01:32:51,165 --> 01:32:53,031
I think what was
horrifying to me was

1817
01:32:53,033 --> 01:32:55,334
not so much the burn
story, which is bad enough,

1818
01:32:55,336 --> 01:32:57,302
but then the recovery
story was really

1819
01:32:57,304 --> 01:33:00,438
I think much longer and
more tedious than it

1820
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,042
could have been, or than
it should have been.

1821
01:33:03,044 --> 01:33:04,476
Being in the hospital
for six months

1822
01:33:04,478 --> 01:33:07,515
I think made him a much
more sensitive person.

1823
01:33:08,616 --> 01:33:11,482
It made him a much
more generous person.

1824
01:33:11,484 --> 01:33:13,953
I love hanging out
with Kane and his family

1825
01:33:13,955 --> 01:33:16,922
because we were
knuckleheads, we were young

1826
01:33:16,924 --> 01:33:18,557
knuckleheads for a
long time and then we

1827
01:33:18,559 --> 01:33:21,326
both started families
about the same time

1828
01:33:21,328 --> 01:33:24,396
and I knew him with Susan
and his relationship

1829
01:33:24,398 --> 01:33:27,399
and their dynamic
is great, they're so

1830
01:33:27,401 --> 01:33:29,869
different and yet
they complement

1831
01:33:29,871 --> 01:33:32,972
each other and it's
just so fun to watch.

1832
01:33:32,974 --> 01:33:35,607
When we first
started dating I was

1833
01:33:35,609 --> 01:33:37,508
a set decorator, but
I stopped because

1834
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:39,945
it was exhausting
and really hard and

1835
01:33:39,947 --> 01:33:42,347
having two people, I
found, in a relationship

1836
01:33:42,349 --> 01:33:46,218
that are in the same
field was really hard.

1837
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:48,486
I think when Susan
started seeing me

1838
01:33:48,488 --> 01:33:51,490
really start working,
there had to be

1839
01:33:51,492 --> 01:33:56,498
an element of concern
with her considering

1840
01:33:57,631 --> 01:33:59,397
I was doing dangerous
stuff quite a bit.

1841
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:00,966
Earlier in his
career it's a little

1842
01:34:00,968 --> 01:34:02,668
nerveracking, and
there was a few times

1843
01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:04,369
when he would be
doing, like if he was

1844
01:34:04,371 --> 01:34:06,504
doing average things
and car stunts,

1845
01:34:06,506 --> 01:34:08,641
those didn't worry
me, but things

1846
01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:10,910
where he could get
seriously hurt.

1847
01:34:10,912 --> 01:34:15,614
Perfect example was I doing
a movie called House II.

1848
01:34:15,616 --> 01:34:18,116
I was testing a rope,
there was a rope

1849
01:34:18,118 --> 01:34:20,252
hung from the permanence
in the sound stage.

1850
01:34:20,254 --> 01:34:21,920
One of the characters
had to swing

1851
01:34:21,922 --> 01:34:24,022
on the rope from
the top of the set

1852
01:34:24,024 --> 01:34:26,392
on a long swing
down into the set

1853
01:34:26,394 --> 01:34:29,027
and then up the other side and

1854
01:34:29,029 --> 01:34:31,329
then back to the top
of the temple again.

1855
01:34:31,331 --> 01:34:34,098
I swung out, and as I
was swinging back in

1856
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:36,968
I hit part of the
set and it knocked me

1857
01:34:36,970 --> 01:34:39,003
off the rope and I
fell pretty close

1858
01:34:39,005 --> 01:34:41,640
to 25 feet to the
stage floor and hit

1859
01:34:41,642 --> 01:34:45,311
really hard, and
right at that moment

1860
01:34:45,313 --> 01:34:48,079
Susan arrived on
the set to visit.

1861
01:34:48,081 --> 01:34:50,048
I just came down
to visit, he was

1862
01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:51,517
really excited to
be on the movie.

1863
01:34:51,519 --> 01:34:53,584
And one of the
stunt guys I had there

1864
01:34:53,586 --> 01:34:56,487
for the day ran
over to her and said

1865
01:34:56,489 --> 01:34:58,691
oh my God, we
thought he was dead.

1866
01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:00,558
Oh my God, I thought he
was dead, and I'm like...

1867
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,261
What?

1868
01:35:02,263 --> 01:35:03,628
Wait, what do you mean?

1869
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:05,030
What are you talking about
you thought he was dead?

1870
01:35:05,032 --> 01:35:06,966
And then she found
out I had fallen.

1871
01:35:06,968 --> 01:35:09,170
They showed me
where he had fallen.

1872
01:35:10,537 --> 01:35:13,271
I think since that
day, that was the

1873
01:35:13,273 --> 01:35:15,641
instance why I
don't go to the set.

1874
01:35:15,643 --> 01:35:17,375
I think I've brought
the kids and we've

1875
01:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,712
visited the set,
but I don't like to

1876
01:35:19,714 --> 01:35:22,047
watch him work and I
think he's nervous.

1877
01:35:22,049 --> 01:35:25,351
I have two sons, Jace
and Reed, and they're

1878
01:35:25,353 --> 01:35:30,155
very responsible, smart,
well-adjusted kids.

1879
01:35:30,157 --> 01:35:33,491
He really is a wonderful dad
and he's totally plugged in.

1880
01:35:33,493 --> 01:35:35,761
It's amazing that
Kane is able to

1881
01:35:35,763 --> 01:35:37,529
keep two completely
different lives.

1882
01:35:37,531 --> 01:35:39,330
He has this life
of flying all over

1883
01:35:39,332 --> 01:35:41,266
the world and
putting on makeup and

1884
01:35:41,268 --> 01:35:43,267
ripping heads off of
people, and then he

1885
01:35:43,269 --> 01:35:44,736
goes home and sits
on his couch and

1886
01:35:44,738 --> 01:35:47,306
watches a TV show
with his family.

1887
01:35:47,308 --> 01:35:49,741
If you saw a shot of
them sitting there you

1888
01:35:49,743 --> 01:35:51,075
would think they're no different

1889
01:35:51,077 --> 01:35:52,244
than any other
family in the world.

1890
01:35:52,246 --> 01:35:54,079
It's really cool
that he can keep up

1891
01:35:54,081 --> 01:35:56,147
the balance of both
of those and not

1892
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:58,417
let the two bleed into
each other too much.

1893
01:35:58,419 --> 01:36:01,152
When he's home
we still enjoy our

1894
01:36:01,154 --> 01:36:03,088
time together
watching TV and movies

1895
01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:04,455
and stuff like
that, finding one of

1896
01:36:04,457 --> 01:36:05,691
his movies every
once in a while,

1897
01:36:05,693 --> 01:36:07,493
watching a little bit of that,

1898
01:36:07,495 --> 01:36:09,360
him realizing how old it is and

1899
01:36:09,362 --> 01:36:11,065
then switching to a new channel.

1900
01:36:12,198 --> 01:36:13,365
I think some of
my favorite memories

1901
01:36:13,367 --> 01:36:16,768
are probably when we
hang out together.

1902
01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:19,070
Most fathers and
sons don't really

1903
01:36:19,072 --> 01:36:20,405
hang out that much
together, but I

1904
01:36:20,407 --> 01:36:21,774
really enjoy
hanging out with him

1905
01:36:21,776 --> 01:36:23,241
instead of going out
with my friends at night.

1906
01:36:23,243 --> 01:36:24,610
Both of my sons,
when they visited

1907
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:27,413
when I was shooting
Jason X, I was in full

1908
01:36:27,415 --> 01:36:29,481
costume and I have a
picture with both of them.

1909
01:36:29,483 --> 01:36:32,651
That was one of my
favorite sets to visit.

1910
01:36:32,653 --> 01:36:35,253
I was pretty young,
and I mean seeing

1911
01:36:35,255 --> 01:36:37,056
all the people in their makeup,

1912
01:36:37,058 --> 01:36:38,589
seeing how futuristic
everything looked.

1913
01:36:38,591 --> 01:36:40,491
It was a really
unique experience

1914
01:36:40,493 --> 01:36:42,727
to be on the set of
a movie with my dad

1915
01:36:42,729 --> 01:36:47,736
and seeing him in person
acting was really cool.

1916
01:36:49,069 --> 01:36:50,268
The funny thing
about Kane is he has

1917
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:52,737
this intense presence
about him, but he's

1918
01:36:52,739 --> 01:36:56,408
the nicest, kindest guy
once you get to know him.

1919
01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:58,709
Most people wouldn't
think of Kane as being

1920
01:36:58,711 --> 01:37:03,382
a nice, basically
mellow, soft spoken guy.

1921
01:37:03,384 --> 01:37:05,517
I'm sure he has his
moments, but I think

1922
01:37:05,519 --> 01:37:08,352
that would be very surprising
to a lot of people.

1923
01:37:08,354 --> 01:37:11,323
Maybe he sews or does
macrame or something,

1924
01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:13,694
I'd be curious what
his hobbies are.

1925
01:37:18,198 --> 01:37:21,866
Kane is the entire
horror community.

1926
01:37:21,868 --> 01:37:24,136
I can say that bar none.

1927
01:37:24,138 --> 01:37:26,370
Kane's body language,
Kane's posture,

1928
01:37:26,372 --> 01:37:29,775
the hockey mask, the
way he moves, his bulk,

1929
01:37:29,777 --> 01:37:34,579
all of that is the
logo for the experience

1930
01:37:34,581 --> 01:37:39,586
of 30 odd years of
Friday the 13th films.

1931
01:37:41,221 --> 01:37:42,820
He's a horror icon.

1932
01:37:42,822 --> 01:37:45,390
Me being into the
horror genre and

1933
01:37:45,392 --> 01:37:47,860
loving horror
movies, he is Jason.

1934
01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:50,294
He is the epitome
of Jason, goddammit!

1935
01:37:50,296 --> 01:37:51,562
Know about it, motherfucker!

1936
01:37:51,564 --> 01:37:52,763
He's by far the best Jason.

1937
01:37:52,765 --> 01:37:55,700
He's known as Jason,
that's, you can't

1938
01:37:55,702 --> 01:37:57,703
really take that away.

1939
01:37:57,705 --> 01:38:00,338
I have to think
that of all of them,

1940
01:38:00,340 --> 01:38:02,473
and I've said this before, he is

1941
01:38:02,475 --> 01:38:04,343
the one, the only, and the best.

1942
01:38:04,345 --> 01:38:06,378
Nobody else can even
compete with him.

1943
01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:08,579
As a leader, when
you're an icon,

1944
01:38:08,581 --> 01:38:10,315
if you wind up
playing a role that

1945
01:38:10,317 --> 01:38:11,616
becomes really
important to people,

1946
01:38:11,618 --> 01:38:14,552
there's a responsibility
that comes with that.

1947
01:38:14,554 --> 01:38:16,487
Kane's one of the few who really

1948
01:38:16,489 --> 01:38:18,827
takes that
responsibility seriously.

1949
01:38:20,193 --> 01:38:22,593
Well I think my
fans are the best.

1950
01:38:22,595 --> 01:38:25,196
There was a big
outcry from the fans

1951
01:38:25,198 --> 01:38:27,533
when I was replaced
as Jason, and that

1952
01:38:27,535 --> 01:38:29,935
made me feel good that I wasn't

1953
01:38:29,937 --> 01:38:33,338
the only one that
was disappointed.

1954
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:35,941
Let's face it, if
we didn't have fans

1955
01:38:35,943 --> 01:38:38,877
we wouldn't be in the
place that we are.

1956
01:38:38,879 --> 01:38:40,913
I have a reputation of
being nice to the fans

1957
01:38:40,915 --> 01:38:43,682
and Kane has a
reputation of really

1958
01:38:43,684 --> 01:38:45,918
being fun with the
fans, they love it.

1959
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,387
He makes everybody have
their own special moment

1960
01:38:48,389 --> 01:38:51,289
to walk away with, he's
definitely a fan's fan.

1961
01:38:51,291 --> 01:38:53,458
Fans are everything to Kane.

1962
01:38:53,460 --> 01:38:55,860
He goes above and beyond.

1963
01:38:55,862 --> 01:38:58,463
Fans are completely the life

1964
01:38:58,465 --> 01:38:59,664
blood of the horror community.

1965
01:38:59,666 --> 01:39:01,933
You see dozens of
horror conventions

1966
01:39:01,935 --> 01:39:04,602
with people lined up
who wait hours to meet

1967
01:39:04,604 --> 01:39:06,672
their favorite celebrity
for a few seconds.

1968
01:39:06,674 --> 01:39:08,272
You might be
doing a convention

1969
01:39:08,274 --> 01:39:10,308
every weekend for
a year, or on tour

1970
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:12,444
promoting something,
but for this person

1971
01:39:12,446 --> 01:39:14,413
they're waiting
all year for this

1972
01:39:14,415 --> 01:39:15,847
moment that you're
coming to their town

1973
01:39:15,849 --> 01:39:17,583
and they have something
they wanna tell you

1974
01:39:17,585 --> 01:39:21,820
or share with you, so you
can't ever forget that.

1975
01:39:21,822 --> 01:39:23,821
It doesn't matter what
else is going in your life,

1976
01:39:23,823 --> 01:39:24,957
everything could be
going to shit, you could

1977
01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:27,292
have the worst day
ever, you could be sick,

1978
01:39:27,294 --> 01:39:29,527
for those five, 10
minutes that this person's

1979
01:39:29,529 --> 01:39:31,963
gonna get to spend with
you, that's everything.

1980
01:39:31,965 --> 01:39:33,932
Kane really gets
that and that's why

1981
01:39:33,934 --> 01:39:36,301
the same fans will come
see him all the time.

1982
01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:37,235
It doesn't matter
that they already got

1983
01:39:37,237 --> 01:39:40,004
his autograph once,
they just wanna see him.

1984
01:39:40,006 --> 01:39:41,772
That's huge.

1985
01:39:41,774 --> 01:39:44,276
Even a couple people
in line ahead of me,

1986
01:39:44,278 --> 01:39:45,744
just how he was talking
to them, they'd ask

1987
01:39:45,746 --> 01:39:49,313
questions I'm sure he's
been asked 80 times a day

1988
01:39:49,315 --> 01:39:52,484
and he stills answers
enthusiastically as much,

1989
01:39:52,486 --> 01:39:54,518
but he's still got that
snarky asshole attitude

1990
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,022
that you love about it,
which makes it perfect.

1991
01:39:58,024 --> 01:40:02,326
The first photo we took, I
was wearing my hockey mask.

1992
01:40:02,328 --> 01:40:05,263
I did what Kane
does, I did the heavy

1993
01:40:05,265 --> 01:40:07,501
breathing where he lifts
up his shoulder like.

1994
01:40:09,603 --> 01:40:12,337
And tilted my head a little.

1995
01:40:12,339 --> 01:40:14,740
He smiled at that, I think
he thought that was cool.

1996
01:40:14,742 --> 01:40:19,747
He gets it, okay, just
like a few of us get it.

1997
01:40:20,913 --> 01:40:22,446
That the fans are
the ones that are

1998
01:40:22,448 --> 01:40:25,651
really important in
this whole scenario.

1999
01:40:25,653 --> 01:40:27,886
We're just guys doing our job.

2000
01:40:27,888 --> 01:40:30,655
The fans are the ones
that make it all happen.

2001
01:40:30,657 --> 01:40:32,356
They're the driving force.

2002
01:40:32,358 --> 01:40:33,991
Whenever I'm
with him in public,

2003
01:40:33,993 --> 01:40:35,526
and he gets
recognized by someone,

2004
01:40:35,528 --> 01:40:37,495
he's always happy
to take a picture.

2005
01:40:37,497 --> 01:40:39,063
They're really important
to him and that's why he

2006
01:40:39,065 --> 01:40:41,533
does so many conventions
to meet all of his fans.

2007
01:40:41,535 --> 01:40:44,035
People come to see
Kane Hodder for a reason,

2008
01:40:44,037 --> 01:40:48,472
over and over, I mean
his line never ends.

2009
01:40:48,474 --> 01:40:50,842
I was very envious of
him 'cause he had a line

2010
01:40:50,844 --> 01:40:54,745
going clear out the door and
I had nobody at my table.

2011
01:40:54,747 --> 01:40:57,548
He's so appreciative
and so good with the fans.

2012
01:40:57,550 --> 01:40:58,749
I don't think you could have a

2013
01:40:58,751 --> 01:41:01,386
better ambassador
for a franchise.

2014
01:41:01,388 --> 01:41:04,522
That whole segment of
fandom didn't get the respect.

2015
01:41:04,524 --> 01:41:06,691
Now I think everybody
realizes that

2016
01:41:06,693 --> 01:41:09,727
the horror movie, like
the science fiction

2017
01:41:09,729 --> 01:41:13,798
film or the fantasy
film, is a go to

2018
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:18,805
popcorn ingredient in
the soul of Hollywood.

2019
01:41:19,907 --> 01:41:21,039
Horror fans, they
tend to be very

2020
01:41:21,041 --> 01:41:23,408
fervent for some reason,
I'm not sure why.

2021
01:41:23,410 --> 01:41:27,014
You don't have people tattooing
Adam Sandler on their body.

2022
01:41:28,549 --> 01:41:30,749
I'm not sure why, maybe
that would be a good tattoo,

2023
01:41:30,751 --> 01:41:32,817
but Kane Hodder, I'm
sure he's on a lot

2024
01:41:32,819 --> 01:41:37,291
of bodies as a tattoo,
the classic face.

2025
01:41:40,894 --> 01:41:42,860
I do have this Kane
tattoo right here.

2026
01:41:42,862 --> 01:41:45,299
I have Jason from Part Seven.

2027
01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:48,066
I had gotten this
tattoo, it was the

2028
01:41:48,068 --> 01:41:50,569
first one I had on
this arm, and he comes

2029
01:41:50,571 --> 01:41:51,770
over me, he's like you're a huge

2030
01:41:51,772 --> 01:41:53,003
fucking fan, but
you got the wrong

2031
01:41:53,005 --> 01:41:55,140
Jason on your arm, and
then he socked me one

2032
01:41:55,142 --> 01:41:56,708
and I was like all
right, this is how

2033
01:41:56,710 --> 01:41:58,576
the relationship is
gonna go from now on.

2034
01:41:58,578 --> 01:42:00,478
Now he has a whole
new fan base of

2035
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:01,646
a younger generation who grew up

2036
01:42:01,648 --> 01:42:04,015
watching the Hatchet
series and those

2037
01:42:04,017 --> 01:42:07,017
kids' parents grew up
watching the Jason series,

2038
01:42:07,019 --> 01:42:09,987
so it's changed and
gave him a whole

2039
01:42:09,989 --> 01:42:12,857
new rebirth in his
career and now he's

2040
01:42:12,859 --> 01:42:15,026
doing almost 20
movies a year because

2041
01:42:15,028 --> 01:42:17,762
people wanna see him do stuff.

2042
01:42:17,764 --> 01:42:19,865
I think Kane is
relentless when it

2043
01:42:19,867 --> 01:42:21,799
comes to anything that
he's passionate about.

2044
01:42:21,801 --> 01:42:23,935
He overcame a lot of
things, and that's

2045
01:42:23,937 --> 01:42:25,971
by his own volition
by a force of will.

2046
01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:27,606
Some people just don't
have that in them

2047
01:42:27,608 --> 01:42:30,441
anymore, they give up,
they roll over and die.

2048
01:42:30,443 --> 01:42:33,477
Those are words I cannot
use to describe Kane Hodder.

2049
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,181
Whether you wanna draw
an analogy to Jason

2050
01:42:36,183 --> 01:42:39,985
who never dies, maybe
Kane never dies.

2051
01:42:39,987 --> 01:42:41,919
I'm blown away
by his history and

2052
01:42:41,921 --> 01:42:44,990
what he's gone through
and just how he's a

2053
01:42:44,992 --> 01:42:48,893
triumph and he's the
coolest man walking really.

2054
01:42:48,895 --> 01:42:52,597
A man with that much
fortitude, desire, and ambition

2055
01:42:52,599 --> 01:42:56,935
to go through what he
went through is amazing.

2056
01:42:56,937 --> 01:42:58,570
To go from what
happened to him to being

2057
01:42:58,572 --> 01:43:02,641
one of the best in the
business as a burn guy

2058
01:43:02,643 --> 01:43:04,676
I think pretty much tells
you all you need to know

2059
01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:07,678
about Kane, the guy's got
balls of freakin' steel.

2060
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:09,748
A lot of people
would've just been well

2061
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:11,816
I had my time and
that was my thing and

2062
01:43:11,818 --> 01:43:13,951
I'm just gonna be
put out to pasture

2063
01:43:13,953 --> 01:43:15,786
and do the
conventions, but he was

2064
01:43:15,788 --> 01:43:17,755
smart enough and
still hungry enough

2065
01:43:17,757 --> 01:43:19,691
when Hatchet got
put in front of him

2066
01:43:19,693 --> 01:43:21,892
to say I'm gonna go at this with

2067
01:43:21,894 --> 01:43:23,794
everything I have, and I'm gonna

2068
01:43:23,796 --> 01:43:25,129
keep going and I'm
gonna keep showing

2069
01:43:25,131 --> 01:43:27,566
people that I'm just
getting started.

2070
01:43:27,568 --> 01:43:29,200
More people should
approach their

2071
01:43:29,202 --> 01:43:31,906
work and their
life like he does.

2072
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,942
When you go through
an ordeal like that,

2073
01:43:36,076 --> 01:43:38,645
you begin to take
life seriously.

2074
01:43:40,112 --> 01:43:43,615
You slow down for a
second and you make

2075
01:43:43,617 --> 01:43:48,623
sure that your next
step is the right step.

2076
01:43:50,823 --> 01:43:52,691
And I think that's
what Kane does.

2077
01:43:58,064 --> 01:44:00,598
The fact that I
was, suicidal thoughts

2078
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,968
and stuff, I know how you
can get to that point,

2079
01:44:03,970 --> 01:44:07,974
and I understand when
people get there.

2080
01:44:09,542 --> 01:44:13,078
I think I could've been
justified possibly ending

2081
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,584
my life then because of
everything I had been through.

2082
01:44:22,989 --> 01:44:24,692
But look what I would've missed.

2083
01:44:25,791 --> 01:44:30,664
That's huge, I think,
I hope to instill

2084
01:44:31,564 --> 01:44:32,931
in people that get to that point

2085
01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:34,932
you don't know what
you might miss.

2086
01:44:34,934 --> 01:44:36,801
And I would've
missed all of this.

2087
01:45:57,718 --> 01:45:59,985
I still believe he's
just getting started.

2088
01:45:59,987 --> 01:46:01,785
10 more years from
now there could be

2089
01:46:01,787 --> 01:46:03,722
a whole 'nother
documentary about yeah,

2090
01:46:03,724 --> 01:46:06,124
so he did all of that,
but then he did this.

2091
01:47:11,425 --> 01:47:15,727
How would I want
Kane to kill me?

2092
01:47:15,729 --> 01:47:17,728
I think quickly.

2093
01:47:17,730 --> 01:47:18,398
Very, very quickly.

2094
01:47:22,702 --> 01:47:24,401
I just thought of
something horrible.

2095
01:47:26,973 --> 01:47:28,009
It was sexual.

2096
01:47:28,975 --> 01:47:30,975
I definitely, I'd want
him to choke me out.

2097
01:47:30,977 --> 01:47:33,277
You ever hear the expression

2098
01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:35,315
rip off your head,
shit down your throat?

2099
01:47:37,317 --> 01:47:39,851
Maybe if he made
me eat my own shit,

2100
01:47:39,853 --> 01:47:42,753
or some script that
I wrote and stuff

2101
01:47:42,755 --> 01:47:45,255
it down my throat and
made it eat it, or shove

2102
01:47:45,257 --> 01:47:47,726
my own movies down my
throat or up my ass.

2103
01:47:47,728 --> 01:47:50,197
I thought we were gonna
be friends and partners.

2104
01:47:51,764 --> 01:47:53,932
What do you know about the
script that I don't know?

2105
01:47:53,934 --> 01:47:56,868
I'd like to be beat to
death by two naked ladies.

2106
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:58,002
Wow.

2107
01:47:58,004 --> 01:47:59,236
Number one, his
character couldn't kill

2108
01:47:59,238 --> 01:48:02,406
me 'cause I can whip his
ass any day of the week.

2109
01:48:02,408 --> 01:48:03,975
Period.

2110
01:48:03,977 --> 01:48:05,008
With kindness.

2111
01:48:06,313 --> 01:48:09,313
No, I don't know, let's
see, a particular way,

2112
01:48:09,315 --> 01:48:11,749
how about he and I are
both burned up in a fire.

2113
01:48:11,751 --> 01:48:12,886
Ew, creepy.

2114
01:48:14,019 --> 01:48:15,186
By the way, I don't
know if you know this,

2115
01:48:15,188 --> 01:48:17,021
Kane has killed
more people with his

2116
01:48:17,023 --> 01:48:21,426
hands than anybody
else in movie history.

2117
01:48:21,428 --> 01:48:23,898
Don't know if you know that.

2118
01:48:30,372 --> 01:48:35,372
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