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With Mother Love Bone,
you had some success,

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and there was a tragedy there.

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And what made you decide

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not to continue with 
Mother Love Bone

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and to form something
totally different?

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Because it was old at that time,

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and we wanted to do something new.

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So this is what
we're doing now, new and fresh.

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And then they saw me in a bra,
and that was it.

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And they said,
"We've got to have him."

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That was before his front
tooth got knocked out.

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And I have a weather report

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for you people,
and it's not a good one.

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KCMU. Seattle's rockin' report.

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What is it that drives

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thousands of young angelic-faced boys

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in our calm, tree-lined suburbs

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to spend their allowances
on Marshall Amplifiers?

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Why is this happening?

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Truth be told, there's always
been a great scene in Seattle.

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If you want some crisp, aggressive,

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and emotional rock-and-roll,
then get on down to The Off Ramp

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on Friday, July 5th.

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Wowwee!

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You haven't seen anything yet.

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My name is Cameron Crowe,
and I was a rock journalist

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when I first moved to Seattle
in the mid-'80s.

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I became aware of a whole
scene of musicians

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that really worked together to create

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their own world of influences

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and bands and community.

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I immediately realized

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how much this was different
from the places I grew up in

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and the music I listened to
in Southern California.

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This was music that came from guys

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that stayed indoors a lot.

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They had a lot of time to play
and a lot of time to listen.

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And they listened to everything,

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hard rock, hair metal, glam,
R&B, soul, disco, blues,

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all of it cuisinarted together
into this majestic mix

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of great, melodic, hard rock.

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We'd go and see the shows
that got put on by The U-Men,

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and we'd go see these guys,

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and these guys would come see us.

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Sometimes we would open
for these guys.

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So it was like us, we play.

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Two guys who I met early on

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were Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament.

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They'd been in a well-known
local band, Green River,

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and had an obvious bond
that drew a lot of people to them.

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On any given night in Seattle,

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it wasn't hard to run into
Stone and Jeff

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going out
to listen to some live music.

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Let's do
a little more of an intimate thing.

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Sit with me. Sit with me, my child.

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Those people over there,

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police officers. Wave at them.

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How you doing?

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This is not MTV, but it very well

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could be at any time.

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Sarcastic police officers. 
Excellent.

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We're supposed to get in
to see The Cult tonight,

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but so far, nobody's showed up.

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We finally got into the show.

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We were outside for a long time
and they wouldn't let us in

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but we got these things,
backstage passes.

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How come you didn't come out
and give me my pass earlier?

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I was outside for so long.

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We were outside for a long time,

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and here is my witnesses right here.

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Because you never believe me.

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You never believe me, Stone.
You never fucking believe me.

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I knew when I met Stone,

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I couldn't imagine
hanging out with the guy.

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Mark Arm introduced me to him,

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and within five to 30 seconds,
I think he wanted to punch me.

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I had recently been introduced

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into the exciting world of sarcasm,

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and so that, to me,
was the greatest joy

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anyone could ever have.

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Out here...

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Rock people of all sorts,

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Susan Silver, Chris Cornell,
Jeff Ament.

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We had a bit of
a chip on our shoulder.

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We always felt, l think,
like, if it came from New York

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or Chicago or Minneapolis or Athens,

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it was probably better,
but there also was

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this attitude of
somehow we will persevere.

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It was very different

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from Los Angeles'
or New York's band scenes.

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There were tens of groups in Seattle,

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but they all knew each other,
and everybody was talking about

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Jeff and Stone's new band,
Mother Love Bone,

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and their amazing
charismatic front man.

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His name was Andy Wood.

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I want the world to know
that Mother Love Bone is coming

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to take over the world,
a plethora of delights,

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a fruit salad compote of delights.

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He was a fantastic entertainer.
People loved him.

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I mean, people loved to see him
do his thing.

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He was very funny.
He would do something

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like go to The Central Tavern
when there was 25 people there.

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He'd play it like it was a coliseum.

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"To all you people in the back!"

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And there's, like, two...
There's the guy at the door.

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He was a rock star. He knew it.

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And something about that...
I'll speak for everyone...

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Made us believe that we were, too.

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I want to get
on an arena tour with some band.

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Who cares? 
Warrant, for that matter.

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What the hell?
Go on tour with Warrant.

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Just so we can play arenas.

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That's the kind of crowd I like.

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There's an easy crowd.

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You can say anything.

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You can say, 
"Your mother smells bad, people!"

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And they'll just go, "Yeah! Yeah!"

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There are certain people
you just know that you love,

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and you'll do anything for them.

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You just wanted him
to be a rock star.

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You just saw it and were like,
"I'm on your team.

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"I want to be anywhere near you."

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We're going down to L.A.
On Monday to record an album.

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Do you think you're
the band of the '90s?

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Do you think you're gonna be
one of the forerunners?

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I think so. I hope so.

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I mean, I thought I always 
would be involved

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in the band of the '90s.

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So if we're not the band 
of the '90s,

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I'm gonna fire my band
and get a new one,

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and then they'll be
the band of the '90s.

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'Cause you know what was weird?

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Like, I was listening
to the bottom end of all the songs,

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'cause I was kind of worried
about Stardog, you know,

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and the bottom end of it...

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The first guy that I called

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to see if he wanted to be
my roommate was Stone Gossard.

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He was living at home, I think,
and he answered the phone,

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and he's like,

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"Yeah, no, I'm good.
I don't really want to...

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"I don't really want to change
my living situation right now."

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And he was at home, so I thought
that was a little weird.

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But I thought,
"Whatever. That's great."

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And he said,
"But Andy just got out of rehab,

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"and he might need a place."

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And I thought,
"Well, that would be cool."

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You know, I didn't really know him,

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but I thought,
that would be interesting.

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He seems like an interesting guy.
It would be cool.

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I called Andy up, and he's like,
"Sure. I'm coming over."

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Chris and Andy
had a very deep relationship.

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I know that both of them had 4-tracks

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set up in their bedrooms,

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and they would each try
to record a song a day

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and play it for the other guy.

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He just had a freedom.

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He didn't edit anything that he did,
anything that he wrote.

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He didn't care. He just charged
through the creative process

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without a care in the world,
and I was the opposite,

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over analyzing, and...

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It was just
a really exciting creative time.

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Thank you so much.

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As long as I've known the guy,

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there's always been different times

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where he wasn't comfortable
with himself,

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and his using drugs
was a product of that, too.

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If you know any addicts,
you know that, you know,

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just because they quit
for three months doesn't mean shit,

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and he was someone who definitely had

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a certain tragic flaw.

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That's where his greatness came from.

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We knew that
he was trying to be sober,

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and we knew that he was really...

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That he couldn't just sustain...

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You know, you can't just...

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You can't...

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You can't really be a junkie

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and be super-productive and, like...

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I mean, maybe somebody can,

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but he wasn't going to be able
to do it.

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That morning, like, March 19th, 1990,

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there was, like,
five messages from Xana,

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Andy's girlfriend at the time,

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saying... You know, just hysterical.

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We all got in a taxi

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and went up to Harbor view,

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and he was on life support
at that point,

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and it was a fucking trip.

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I mean, it was, like,
the worst, most horrible...

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It was confusing, you know.

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It was, like,
"Andy O.D.'ed and he's not dead,

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"but he's not gonna live,
but he's not dead,

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"and you've got to come now."

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Whenever people would start
to get into drugs after that,

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I'd always... 
I always thought, like,

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I wish I had a picture of Andy
when he was in the hospital,

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because it was... 
It was so horrible.

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He was... They kept him alive
for a couple of days.

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I think mostly just so
family and friends

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could say good-bye
or whatever, but...

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It was... It was horrible.

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It's difficult to articulate it,

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but, it's...

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You know, up to that point,

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I think life was really good for us

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As a... Just a group of musicians 
in a scene,

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making music.

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It just... You know,
the world was sort of our oyster,

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and we had support,
we supported each other.

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And he was kind of like
this beam of light

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sort of above it all,

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and to see him hooked up to machines,

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that was the...
I think the death of the innocence

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of the scene.

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It wasn't later
when people surmised that...

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That Kurt blowing his head off
was the end of the innocence.

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It didn't... It was that.

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It was walking into that room.

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So at this point, I think everyone

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really wants to take a break,
for one,

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and just kind of let things happen
naturally to a certain extent

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to see where we want to go with it,
you know.

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We're not in any huge rush

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to be rock stars at this point.

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And Andy's attitudes and personality

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were such an integral part
of Mother Love Bone

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that, you know, there's just...

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You wouldn't be able to replace him.

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It’s just not,
in our minds at least, it just...

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Fiddle with it.

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What? You just lost all sound?

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Check.

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Hello. Hello. Hello.

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In  some ways, I was just thinking

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about this
in the last couple of days,

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that I can relate to
the Clippers and the Nets

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because... I've kind of...

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I feel like my musical career
has kind of been that way,

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in that every time that it seems
like it's starting to take off,

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somebody goes down with an injury

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or the coach gets fired
or something happens.

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I remember Jeff saying,

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"Maybe I'm not supposed to
be doing this.

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"You know, that was my shot,
and it's gone."

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I think if my dad and I hadn't had

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such a contentious relationship
at that point,

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I probably would have left Seattle.

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I never felt like giving up.

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You know, I think I was writing
songs days later probably,

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00:12:28,089 --> 00:12:30,058
you know, playing my guitar
and still just going,

251
00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,051
"I love playing my guitar."

252
00:12:32,426 --> 00:12:33,794
I ended up playing

253
00:12:34,136 --> 00:12:36,505
with a really good friend of mine
in town named Mike McCready.

254
00:12:40,435 --> 00:12:41,869
We got together,
and we started playing

255
00:12:42,227 --> 00:12:44,096
in his parents' attic.

256
00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:46,666
That's when I had the conversation,

257
00:12:47,191 --> 00:12:48,292
"We've got to get Jeff Ament
in the band."

258
00:12:48,567 --> 00:12:49,802
Jeff was playing
with some other folks

259
00:12:50,111 --> 00:12:51,646
and I think having a good time
doing that,

260
00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:54,299
and my first instinct was like,
"I don't know."

261
00:12:54,866 --> 00:12:56,234
I remember him just saying,
"Fuck Jeff Ament, "

262
00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:58,177
or something like that,
and I was kind of shocked.

263
00:12:58,577 --> 00:12:59,812
Like, "Dude, that's your guy.

264
00:13:00,121 --> 00:13:01,622
"You've been with this guy forever."

265
00:13:01,997 --> 00:13:03,532
But Mike was like,
"No, you've got to."

266
00:13:03,916 --> 00:13:06,185
And I was like, "Okay."

267
00:13:06,752 --> 00:13:09,154
And then Jeff was there,
and I was like, "Yes."

268
00:13:10,006 --> 00:13:11,040
We went in and did a demo

269
00:13:11,299 --> 00:13:12,767
pretty quickly after that
with Matt Cameron.

270
00:13:13,134 --> 00:13:14,536
And I was like,
"What are you guys gonna do with it?"

271
00:13:14,886 --> 00:13:17,288
And they were like, "We're
just trying to get a singer."

272
00:13:18,306 --> 00:13:20,141
I was working a security job
in San Diego.

273
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,968
I was just, like, writing music
in my living room

274
00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:23,778
for the longest time, you know.

275
00:13:24,145 --> 00:13:26,014
This instrumental tape,
it migrated to me,

276
00:13:26,481 --> 00:13:28,883
then it really started
bringing out some emotions

277
00:13:29,609 --> 00:13:30,577
that I hadn't touched on in a while.

278
00:13:30,819 --> 00:13:32,921
It just...
this natural thing came out,

279
00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:34,814
and all I did was record it.

280
00:13:35,156 --> 00:13:36,891
I surfed in P.B.
One morning after work

281
00:13:37,325 --> 00:13:39,160
and went and recorded it,
like, literally

282
00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:41,221
with the sand still on my feet
and stuff

283
00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:44,023
and just sent it up that day.

284
00:13:56,260 --> 00:13:58,663
This is where Jeff Ament...
His apartment was.

285
00:14:02,850 --> 00:14:05,253
This is the place where I came over
after he called me

286
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,882
and said, "I got this demo from...
Back from Ed,

287
00:14:12,526 --> 00:14:13,861
"back from Eddie,

288
00:14:14,195 --> 00:14:15,830
"and you should come over
and check it out.

289
00:14:16,239 --> 00:14:18,274
"It's good."

290
00:14:18,782 --> 00:14:21,051
It was a voice on a tape
that blew my mind.

291
00:14:21,619 --> 00:14:24,022
It was kind of,
"Who is this? Is this real?"

292
00:14:24,997 --> 00:14:26,232
I really remember thinking that,

293
00:14:26,541 --> 00:14:28,943
like, "Is this a real guy?"

294
00:14:30,211 --> 00:14:32,046
"Who is this guy?"

295
00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:34,907
Here, in fact, is the Momma Son tape.

296
00:14:36,467 --> 00:14:37,701
This is it, huh?

297
00:14:38,010 --> 00:14:40,413
That is the tape.

298
00:14:41,764 --> 00:14:42,932
Crazy.

299
00:14:43,224 --> 00:14:44,826
I remember listening to music.

300
00:14:45,226 --> 00:14:47,028
I remember thinking about his voice.

301
00:14:47,479 --> 00:14:49,381
I heard a person in there,
like a real person.

302
00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:52,124
I didn't hear a person trying
to sound like another person.

303
00:14:52,691 --> 00:14:55,094
I heard a guy. I hadn't met him,

304
00:14:56,612 --> 00:14:57,613
but he's in there.

305
00:14:57,864 --> 00:14:59,299
And look it. It has...

306
00:14:59,657 --> 00:15:00,925
There's my phone number on it.

307
00:15:01,242 --> 00:15:02,309
I'll call the number later

308
00:15:02,576 --> 00:15:04,979
and see if I can find a younger you.

309
00:15:05,996 --> 00:15:07,631
Tell him to be careful.

310
00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,443
Hold on. Hold on, my friend.

311
00:15:11,877 --> 00:15:14,280
Hi. I'm Eddie Vedder.

312
00:15:15,422 --> 00:15:17,825
In Seattle, I feel like
I'm kind of the new kid, and...

313
00:15:21,596 --> 00:15:23,998
I'll be a new kid for a while.

314
00:15:26,267 --> 00:15:28,235
We flew Ed up,
and we hung out for about a week

315
00:15:28,727 --> 00:15:30,229
and worked on these songs

316
00:15:30,605 --> 00:15:32,473
in the basement of
Galleria Potato head.

317
00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:34,542
It’s just nice to walk in that room,

318
00:15:34,942 --> 00:15:36,810
and you smell raw materials,
you smell paint.

319
00:15:37,277 --> 00:15:38,879
There's this whole feeling of,
like, creativity.

320
00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,448
You hear the pound of your footsteps

321
00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:41,974
as you go down this basement,

322
00:15:42,282 --> 00:15:44,685
and you just go in and light it up.

323
00:15:46,662 --> 00:15:48,430
I remember right before he got
on the plane to come down,

324
00:15:48,872 --> 00:15:50,507
he said, "When I get there,
I want you to pick me up,

325
00:15:50,916 --> 00:15:52,351
"and I want to go straight
to the practice studio

326
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:53,978
"and I don't want to fuck around.

327
00:15:54,295 --> 00:15:55,897
"I just want to plug in
the instruments and get at it."

328
00:15:56,297 --> 00:15:58,265
The music that sprouted
right off the bat

329
00:15:58,757 --> 00:16:00,793
was pretty heartfelt and deep,
and before we knew it,

330
00:16:01,302 --> 00:16:03,037
we all spent five days rehearsing.

331
00:16:03,471 --> 00:16:05,873
The sixth day,
we played a fucking show.

332
00:16:07,641 --> 00:16:09,910
We thought it was just insane
that we were playing a show

333
00:16:10,477 --> 00:16:12,880
after being together
for five or six days, yeah. Totally.

334
00:16:59,986 --> 00:17:01,587
Let's talk about the show
at The Moore.

335
00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:04,390
The hidden Eddie Vedder.
Where was he?

336
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:07,360
He was frightened. He was terrified.

337
00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:18,170
It was a bit hard for me
at the beginning,

338
00:17:18,712 --> 00:17:20,414
coming up and being part

339
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,342
of a different place
and a different scene,

340
00:17:22,717 --> 00:17:24,151
and it wasn't just a neutral zone.

341
00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:26,913
It was their zone.

342
00:17:33,436 --> 00:17:34,837
He was really coming from
a different place

343
00:17:35,187 --> 00:17:37,590
that I didn't...
I didn't fully understand.

344
00:17:38,232 --> 00:17:40,634
And I felt like he's good,

345
00:17:41,527 --> 00:17:43,696
and then once I met him
and saw how personable he was

346
00:17:44,239 --> 00:17:46,641
and, like, excited and not fucked-up

347
00:17:48,034 --> 00:17:49,636
and you know, just like a guy that

348
00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:51,003
we sent him music,

349
00:17:51,245 --> 00:17:52,680
and literally, like, two weeks later,
we had music back.

350
00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:54,307
And that it wasn't Mother Love Bone.

351
00:17:54,624 --> 00:17:55,758
That was big.

352
00:17:56,041 --> 00:17:57,410
You know, we had gotten a few tapes,

353
00:17:57,752 --> 00:17:58,919
and they were all, like,
Andy kind of tribute things,

354
00:17:59,211 --> 00:18:01,614
and it was all like whoa...

355
00:18:03,007 --> 00:18:05,409
I think it took me years
to understand Eddie.

356
00:18:09,139 --> 00:18:11,541
My dad... He passed away

357
00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:14,335
before I knew he was my dad, right?

358
00:18:14,852 --> 00:18:16,620
So I grew up with this dad
I thought was my dad,

359
00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:19,231
and then I found out later
that he wasn't

360
00:18:19,774 --> 00:18:21,910
and that the guy who was my dad

361
00:18:22,444 --> 00:18:24,846
had already passed, like,
a few years earlier, man.

362
00:18:32,495 --> 00:18:33,629
There's only two chords to this song.

363
00:18:33,955 --> 00:18:36,324
It'll probably be really boring
on an acoustic.

364
00:18:37,459 --> 00:18:39,327
You know, looking back,
I realize, like,

365
00:18:39,794 --> 00:18:41,763
we all got together in that room
at that time,

366
00:18:42,296 --> 00:18:44,665
and you know,
I was still thinking about stuff

367
00:18:46,467 --> 00:18:48,335
with, like,
my dad and loss and all that,

368
00:18:48,802 --> 00:18:50,638
and then
what they were thinking about,

369
00:18:51,139 --> 00:18:53,508
having been through the situation
with Andy and everything, so...

370
00:18:54,642 --> 00:18:55,943
In  ways we were strangers,

371
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:58,045
but we were coming from
a similar place.

372
00:18:58,479 --> 00:19:00,882
And all that kind of came out
in the first batch of songs.

373
00:19:13,327 --> 00:19:15,162
Release was kind of a drone jam

374
00:19:15,621 --> 00:19:18,024
that we were messing around with
in the basement

375
00:19:18,666 --> 00:19:20,134
the first week that Ed came up,

376
00:19:20,501 --> 00:19:21,836
and it was one of those songs

377
00:19:22,170 --> 00:19:23,705
that he just started singing
over the top of it,

378
00:19:24,089 --> 00:19:26,491
and these words came out of him.

379
00:20:11,219 --> 00:20:13,621
I remember the first time
that we played that song,

380
00:20:14,305 --> 00:20:15,573
right at the end of it, I remember

381
00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:17,792
he sort of ran away
and ran around the corner.

382
00:20:18,267 --> 00:20:20,236
I was thinking about my dad,

383
00:20:20,729 --> 00:20:23,131
and then afterward,
it got me all tore up,

384
00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:27,143
and I went in the little hallway,

385
00:20:27,569 --> 00:20:29,971
and then Jeff came out
and said, you know, "You okay?"

386
00:20:43,626 --> 00:20:45,394
So this one here,

387
00:20:45,836 --> 00:20:48,205
this is, I don't know
if you've ever seen this.

388
00:20:48,797 --> 00:20:50,266
This is my dad.

389
00:20:50,634 --> 00:20:52,602
I met him a few times,

390
00:20:53,094 --> 00:20:55,497
but he was just, like, a friend
of the family or something.

391
00:20:56,847 --> 00:20:58,282
Edward Louis Severson lll.

392
00:20:58,641 --> 00:21:01,043
When I was born, that was my name.

393
00:21:02,102 --> 00:21:03,604
So he kind of...
He's up there for me.

394
00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:06,115
Like, he's up in the ether somewhere.

395
00:21:06,649 --> 00:21:09,018
I feel him sometimes.

396
00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:36,247
The camaraderie and
the healthy competition part

397
00:22:36,739 --> 00:22:39,142
I found later was unusual,

398
00:22:39,742 --> 00:22:41,043
and it was Johnny Ramone
that actually

399
00:22:41,369 --> 00:22:43,104
pointed that out to me later,

400
00:22:43,537 --> 00:22:45,472
talking about, I think,
you know, the friendship

401
00:22:45,956 --> 00:22:47,625
you saw between Pearl Jam
and Soundgarden, for example,

402
00:22:48,042 --> 00:22:49,376
and saying,
"I've never seen that before.

403
00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:51,045
"New York wasn't like that.
We hate each other.

404
00:22:51,379 --> 00:22:52,747
"We would screw each other up
at every turn.

405
00:22:53,089 --> 00:22:54,591
"If you could, you would
mess the other band up."

406
00:22:54,966 --> 00:22:57,368
The best thing about it is,
I think, that...

407
00:22:59,095 --> 00:23:01,497
You learn from each other,
you know, and you...

408
00:23:02,097 --> 00:23:03,365
You're inspired by each other.

409
00:23:03,682 --> 00:23:06,085
For me,
Temple of the Dog grew out of that.

410
00:23:09,314 --> 00:23:11,716
After Andy passed,
Chris (Cornell) just wrote these songs.

411
00:23:13,401 --> 00:23:15,136
We were going to record it with,
you know,

412
00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:17,972
the surviving members of
Mother Love Bone.

413
00:23:44,973 --> 00:23:47,209
It was a fun record
that no one had any expectations for,

414
00:23:47,768 --> 00:23:49,303
so nobody worried about it,
and that made it

415
00:23:49,687 --> 00:23:51,755
feel very fresh
from beginning to end.

416
00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:53,707
For him to write songs

417
00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:56,469
and then have the idea
of sharing those songs

418
00:23:57,486 --> 00:23:59,889
with Jeff and I was just, like,
another generous gesture

419
00:24:01,198 --> 00:24:03,300
that said, "I'm not only gonna
help you guys with this record,

420
00:24:03,826 --> 00:24:05,428
"but I'm gonna even ask
your new singer,

421
00:24:05,828 --> 00:24:07,563
"who he just is kind of
a shy, quiet guy,

422
00:24:07,997 --> 00:24:09,598
"because I haven't really
heard his voice yet.

423
00:24:09,998 --> 00:24:11,466
"I kind of saw you guys live,

424
00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:14,236
"and you know, maybe he can sing.
I'm not sure."

425
00:24:23,012 --> 00:24:24,246
And then you hear it, and you go,

426
00:24:24,555 --> 00:24:26,958
"Our guy sings
really fucking good, too."

427
00:24:38,861 --> 00:24:40,963
Eddie was very shy at the beginning.

428
00:24:41,488 --> 00:24:43,524
He was very kind of self-conscious.

429
00:24:44,033 --> 00:24:46,435
He's wasn't fully comfortable,
I think...

430
00:24:47,453 --> 00:24:49,855
Until him and Cornell
went out one night.

431
00:25:14,605 --> 00:25:16,808
He really embraced Eddie
when he first moved up here,

432
00:25:17,358 --> 00:25:19,760
and sometimes I wonder
if that was a void that he felt

433
00:25:20,361 --> 00:25:21,629
from Andy's passing,

434
00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:23,689
having another
equally talented singer

435
00:25:24,115 --> 00:25:25,583
that he could sort of
bounce ideas off of

436
00:25:25,991 --> 00:25:28,360
or just basically relate to.

437
00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:31,531
I know Eddie felt a real mentorship,

438
00:25:31,915 --> 00:25:34,317
and I think that gave him
a lot of confidence.

439
00:25:50,808 --> 00:25:51,975
It was the first time

440
00:25:52,267 --> 00:25:53,969
I ever heard myself on a real record.

441
00:25:54,395 --> 00:25:56,798
So it could be one of
my favorite songs that...

442
00:25:58,357 --> 00:26:00,759
That I've ever been on,
or the most meaningful.

443
00:26:33,767 --> 00:26:36,136
Where's Stone Gossard
when we need him?

444
00:26:36,728 --> 00:26:39,131
Where is Stone? My God.

445
00:26:52,495 --> 00:26:54,897
We went up to Vancouver
to open for Alice in Chains.

446
00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:01,645
Played at this place called
The Town Pump.

447
00:27:02,212 --> 00:27:04,014
During the song Breath,

448
00:27:04,465 --> 00:27:06,868
security was taking out
some kid, some drunk guy.

449
00:27:14,808 --> 00:27:16,410
They were being overly aggressive.

450
00:27:16,811 --> 00:27:18,279
They were really taking this guy out,

451
00:27:18,646 --> 00:27:21,048
and Ed noticed that, was watching it.

452
00:27:23,317 --> 00:27:25,719
And you could just see
this change come over him.

453
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:37,632
This guy that had been shy,
that people didn't really know,

454
00:27:38,207 --> 00:27:39,942
he didn't know us, all of a sudden

455
00:27:40,376 --> 00:27:42,311
his voice changes,
his attitude changes.

456
00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,198
It just got really intense.

457
00:27:52,388 --> 00:27:54,790
You got a problem.

458
00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:10,790
Here we are in the studio.

459
00:28:11,073 --> 00:28:13,475
They're known as
Mookie Blaylock, but...

460
00:28:14,993 --> 00:28:16,795
Not anymore.
We had some legal problems.

461
00:28:17,246 --> 00:28:18,114
Yeah, the name was taken

462
00:28:18,331 --> 00:28:20,366
by this guy named Mookie Blaylock.

463
00:28:20,875 --> 00:28:22,877
Mookie Blaylock and Michael Jordan.

464
00:28:23,377 --> 00:28:24,478
Look at that. They played yesterday.

465
00:28:24,753 --> 00:28:27,156
The Bulls won, victorious.

466
00:28:29,883 --> 00:28:32,286
So the new name is Pearl Jam.

467
00:28:36,807 --> 00:28:39,210
We're not
gonna cultivate anything today.

468
00:29:06,546 --> 00:29:07,947
Okay. So Pearl Jam, the new name.

469
00:29:08,297 --> 00:29:10,399
And you guys have a lot
of other stuff going on,

470
00:29:10,925 --> 00:29:12,160
almost as we speak.

471
00:29:12,468 --> 00:29:13,902
Yeah. We're going in
the studio tomorrow

472
00:29:14,261 --> 00:29:16,664
to make our first album.

473
00:29:39,036 --> 00:29:40,805
I was selling merchandise
at that time,

474
00:29:41,247 --> 00:29:43,582
and you know, you can only take
so much stuff into Canada.

475
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:45,901
Everything we brought,
you know, I brought

476
00:29:46,335 --> 00:29:48,304
based on kind of what we'd been
selling up to that point.

477
00:29:48,796 --> 00:29:50,931
That night, before the opening band
was even done playing,

478
00:29:51,507 --> 00:29:53,876
I had sold out of everything,
stickers, T-shirts.

479
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:56,079
Anything that we brought across
was gone.

480
00:29:56,471 --> 00:29:57,839
I had nothing to do
for the rest of the night.

481
00:29:58,181 --> 00:30:00,583
So I grabbed my camera
and filmed the whole show.

482
00:30:01,851 --> 00:30:04,220
They were breaking.
Things were taking off.

483
00:30:11,902 --> 00:30:13,070
That's our CD.

484
00:30:13,362 --> 00:30:14,430
See, I hate holding up a CD.

485
00:30:14,697 --> 00:30:15,764
I want to hold up an album.

486
00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,401
You can barely see this.

487
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,188
Our band is doing 10 times as well

488
00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:56,564
as I ever thought we would.

489
00:30:56,822 --> 00:30:59,124
We're getting to play shows
almost every day.

490
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,103
You know, we're happy.

491
00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:09,727
So the band's chemistry
seems really good right now.

492
00:31:10,252 --> 00:31:12,655
Yeah. Yeah. Very much a family.

493
00:31:18,136 --> 00:31:19,704
What is, you know, being
on the road, being touring,

494
00:31:20,096 --> 00:31:22,498
what is the strangest thing
that has happened to you?

495
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:26,711
Right here.

496
00:31:26,936 --> 00:31:28,137
I'd like to thank D'arcy
from the Smashing Pumpkins

497
00:31:28,437 --> 00:31:30,105
for letting me borrow her wardrobe.

498
00:31:30,522 --> 00:31:31,523
I think she looks a little better

499
00:31:31,773 --> 00:31:34,176
in it than you do, though.

500
00:31:38,656 --> 00:31:39,957
We showed up in Zurich, Switzerland,

501
00:31:40,282 --> 00:31:42,685
and the venue was almost like
a kind of an art house.

502
00:31:43,827 --> 00:31:46,196
The stage is, like, about as big
as our drum riser.

503
00:31:46,788 --> 00:31:48,056
We're like, "What are we gonna do?"

504
00:31:48,373 --> 00:31:49,441
We'd been playing enough
at that point

505
00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:51,176
that we were kind of ready
to change something up.

506
00:31:51,543 --> 00:31:53,278
And we asked the local guys,
"Is there a chance

507
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:54,913
"that you could get us
some acoustic instruments?

508
00:31:55,213 --> 00:31:57,149
"Maybe we could just do
kind of an acoustic show."

509
00:31:57,675 --> 00:32:00,044
And we'd never done that before.

510
00:32:30,582 --> 00:32:31,884
And then it was the next day,
somebody called

511
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:33,778
and asked about "MTV Unplugged."

512
00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:35,638
So we said, "Yeah, we could do that."

513
00:32:36,005 --> 00:32:37,240
Yeah. We just did it. Yeah.

514
00:32:37,548 --> 00:32:39,917
Yeah.

515
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,723
It’s a true story,
something that I really felt

516
00:33:03,282 --> 00:33:05,684
and I still feel
every time I sing it.

517
00:33:17,671 --> 00:33:20,041
A lot of your songs
are sort of on the dark side.

518
00:33:20,633 --> 00:33:22,534
Is there any reason for that,

519
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:24,946
or is that just mostly
what you see, or...

520
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:26,297
My emotions.

521
00:33:26,513 --> 00:33:28,015
It seems like I should be
even really happy right now.

522
00:33:28,391 --> 00:33:29,792
You know, I get to, like, play shows.

523
00:33:30,142 --> 00:33:31,977
It’s been amazing, but the fact is,

524
00:33:32,436 --> 00:33:34,438
it's like my emotions are like
a quarter flipped in the air.

525
00:33:34,938 --> 00:33:37,207
It’s just like black and white,
you know, good and bad,

526
00:33:37,775 --> 00:33:40,011
constantly, and you know,
maybe by talking

527
00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:42,071
about things that may be
a little darker

528
00:33:42,446 --> 00:33:44,849
or more, you know, on the
negative side of our existence,

529
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:46,601
by dealing with them,

530
00:33:46,826 --> 00:33:49,228
maybe that's where
I find my happiness.

531
00:34:14,103 --> 00:34:15,137
The folks at MTV said

532
00:34:15,396 --> 00:34:17,131
they thought that was
one of the best "Unpluggeds."

533
00:34:17,565 --> 00:34:18,700
Is it nice
to get that kind of response,

534
00:34:18,983 --> 00:34:20,250
especially when it's
a stripped-down...

535
00:34:20,567 --> 00:34:21,835
I don't trust nobody,

536
00:34:22,195 --> 00:34:24,564
especially when they say
something good.

537
00:34:29,993 --> 00:34:32,396
If I even see you having fun,

538
00:34:36,292 --> 00:34:38,694
you will be promptly arrested

539
00:34:40,046 --> 00:34:42,415
and led away.

540
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:46,419
Fuck security.

541
00:35:16,541 --> 00:35:18,943
Yeah!

542
00:35:25,132 --> 00:35:27,535
That was when Ten
was completely blowing up.

543
00:35:28,136 --> 00:35:29,137
They played at 3:00 in the afternoon.

544
00:35:29,387 --> 00:35:30,621
They were, like, the second group.

545
00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,331
But the frenzy during their set
got more and more extreme

546
00:35:34,683 --> 00:35:37,085
as the tour went on.

547
00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:42,508
And it was all a whirlwind,

548
00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:44,435
because we went from vans
to playing little clubs

549
00:35:44,861 --> 00:35:46,028
to a little bit bigger clubs,

550
00:35:46,319 --> 00:35:47,454
and then we get in "Lollapalooza, "

551
00:35:47,738 --> 00:35:50,040
and then you have everything blow up.

552
00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:51,684
I remember not being able to sleep

553
00:35:51,951 --> 00:35:53,252
for entire nights after the show

554
00:35:53,577 --> 00:35:55,079
because you'd be so buzzed.

555
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:56,555
I finally figured out years later

556
00:35:56,831 --> 00:35:59,233
that if I took a bath,
that sometimes put me to sleep.

557
00:36:23,941 --> 00:36:24,842
Is it like you can...

558
00:36:25,067 --> 00:36:26,869
Like you're just walking
down the street one day

559
00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:29,187
and all of a sudden you feel like

560
00:36:29,697 --> 00:36:30,831
you're getting a lot more exposure

561
00:36:31,114 --> 00:36:32,582
by a lot more people
coming up to you?

562
00:36:32,949 --> 00:36:35,352
Like, I'm just wondering, like,
when would you start noticing

563
00:36:36,662 --> 00:36:39,031
that all of a sudden, you know,
your millions,

564
00:36:39,623 --> 00:36:41,992
millions of people are, like...
Yeah, exactly.

565
00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:43,485
That would be weird.
That would be weird.

566
00:36:43,711 --> 00:36:45,980
We try not to think about that
as much as we can.

567
00:36:46,547 --> 00:36:48,716
We try not to think about that
as much as we can.

568
00:36:49,258 --> 00:36:50,793
Think about that sentence
for a while, America.

569
00:36:51,177 --> 00:36:53,579
Think about it.

570
00:36:54,888 --> 00:36:56,256
Back on the "Headbangers Ball"

571
00:36:56,598 --> 00:36:58,534
with Eddie and Mike
of the band Pearl Jam.

572
00:36:59,018 --> 00:37:01,420
The album is called Ten.
Why is it called Ten?

573
00:37:02,646 --> 00:37:04,448
Actually, that's back to
Mookie Blaylock.

574
00:37:04,898 --> 00:37:07,134
That's his number.
It’s total dedication to Mookie.

575
00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:09,862
Now, we're about to play
your video for Alive.

576
00:37:10,404 --> 00:37:11,772
Did you like making the video, or...

577
00:37:12,114 --> 00:37:13,749
That was the thing.
We didn't make a video.

578
00:37:14,158 --> 00:37:16,160
We said we just wanted to play live.

579
00:37:16,661 --> 00:37:18,429
There's no way,
with a song like that,

580
00:37:18,871 --> 00:37:20,573
which talks about
living for the moment,

581
00:37:20,998 --> 00:37:22,299
that we're going to, like,
lip-synch something

582
00:37:22,624 --> 00:37:23,959
that we had recorded
a few months ago.

583
00:37:24,293 --> 00:37:25,527
I wonder what they're going to
do for another video

584
00:37:25,836 --> 00:37:26,737
if we ever have to do one,

585
00:37:26,962 --> 00:37:28,163
because all we ever want to do
is live.

586
00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:29,765
Really? You can't see yourself

587
00:37:30,091 --> 00:37:32,460
ever making some sort of conceptual
video or anything like that?

588
00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:35,621
Roll sound. Background.

589
00:38:05,376 --> 00:38:06,611
I personally have no problem

590
00:38:06,919 --> 00:38:08,420
with the theory of doing
a concept video at all.

591
00:38:08,796 --> 00:38:09,897
To me, it's more of a question

592
00:38:10,172 --> 00:38:11,473
of what you have more control over,

593
00:38:11,798 --> 00:38:13,166
and we're going to give
some control up this time

594
00:38:13,508 --> 00:38:15,911
and, you know, see how it works.

595
00:38:19,557 --> 00:38:21,459
That song was part of the second wave

596
00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:23,669
of songs that we wrote with Ed.

597
00:38:24,103 --> 00:38:26,105
I still didn't really understand
songwriting at that point,

598
00:38:26,606 --> 00:38:27,874
and pretty much
that whole song is in A.

599
00:38:28,191 --> 00:38:30,493
There's not really, like, a real
major chord change in that song.

600
00:38:31,068 --> 00:38:32,903
It sort of goes
against the rules of, like,

601
00:38:33,362 --> 00:38:35,097
how to write a pop song.

602
00:38:35,531 --> 00:38:36,999
Ed had been reading a newspaper

603
00:38:37,366 --> 00:38:38,834
when we were starting to
jam on the song

604
00:38:39,201 --> 00:38:40,302
and basically wrote the entire lyrics

605
00:38:40,577 --> 00:38:42,980
off of a newspaper article.

606
00:38:44,164 --> 00:38:46,366
Visually making that video
with Mark Pellington,

607
00:38:46,917 --> 00:38:48,285
he did such a great job
at making you see

608
00:38:48,627 --> 00:38:50,829
kind of how heavy that lyric was.

609
00:38:51,379 --> 00:38:52,347
You seem
kind of embarrassed about it.

610
00:38:52,589 --> 00:38:54,024
This seems to me to be quite a valid

611
00:38:54,383 --> 00:38:56,285
sort of artistic thing
to be doing up there.

612
00:38:56,761 --> 00:38:57,929
It was just... it’s a different...

613
00:38:58,221 --> 00:39:00,590
You know,
it's a different kind of focus.

614
00:39:01,432 --> 00:39:02,766
You know, and that's the key to it,

615
00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:04,768
is just focusing, you know,

616
00:39:05,186 --> 00:39:07,255
but kind of like, with a camera,

617
00:39:07,772 --> 00:39:10,174
that's just... You know,
I'm just not into it really.

618
00:39:58,447 --> 00:40:00,849
Yeah!

619
00:40:10,001 --> 00:40:12,403
We've never played
for this many people before.

620
00:40:14,338 --> 00:40:16,740
We never thought we'd ever play
for this many people.

621
00:40:19,009 --> 00:40:21,411
So you ready for one more?
1, 2, 3, 4.

622
00:41:39,256 --> 00:41:40,991
Yeah, lots of times,

623
00:41:41,424 --> 00:41:43,260
especially when our singer
starts climbing up on the ceiling,

624
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,121
like, 50 feet above the stage,
and, like, is on a truss.

625
00:41:46,806 --> 00:41:49,208
You know, it's like, "Don't do that."

626
00:41:53,478 --> 00:41:54,646
Were you worried he'd fall down?

627
00:41:54,938 --> 00:41:56,139
All the time.

628
00:41:56,439 --> 00:41:58,041
I thought, "This guy's gonna
fall and kill himself,

629
00:41:58,442 --> 00:41:59,777
"and our career is over."

630
00:42:00,111 --> 00:42:02,513
I was worried every time he did it.

631
00:42:35,646 --> 00:42:37,081
Over the gigs,
it got higher and higher.

632
00:42:37,439 --> 00:42:38,707
You'd do one,
and then you'd notch it up,

633
00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:41,426
because you survived
the last one, so...

634
00:42:42,361 --> 00:42:44,130
We're gonna take this to some level

635
00:42:44,572 --> 00:42:45,973
that people aren't gonna forget,

636
00:42:46,323 --> 00:42:48,492
and if that means risking your life,

637
00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:51,436
we're gonna do it.

638
00:42:59,462 --> 00:43:01,464
You know, we'd get to the hotel
after the shows or whatever

639
00:43:01,964 --> 00:43:03,198
and feel pretty good physically,

640
00:43:03,507 --> 00:43:05,643
and then I'd take a shower
and realize that I had, like,

641
00:43:06,177 --> 00:43:08,579
a thousand deep scratches on my back.

642
00:43:11,348 --> 00:43:13,016
I didn't want him to hurt himself.

643
00:43:13,433 --> 00:43:15,836
But at the same time, it's like
there was no talking to him.

644
00:43:17,772 --> 00:43:20,174
He was going to do
what he was going to do.

645
00:43:21,651 --> 00:43:23,586
He could have killed himself
a couple of times probably

646
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,171
for sure, which would have been...

647
00:43:26,697 --> 00:43:29,099
More than I could have taken.

648
00:43:31,868 --> 00:43:33,203
Tell me. You look quite mixed up.

649
00:43:33,537 --> 00:43:35,573
Look at these pictures.
I'll show you these pictures.

650
00:43:36,082 --> 00:43:37,783
I'll show you why
I feel the way I do.

651
00:43:38,251 --> 00:43:39,552
It’s a little bit overwhelming

652
00:43:39,877 --> 00:43:41,111
to see this many people.

653
00:43:41,419 --> 00:43:43,822
I mean, I'm sure you've been
looking at this all day.

654
00:43:45,716 --> 00:43:47,952
It’s a lot of people.

655
00:43:48,511 --> 00:43:50,279
We're used to playing small clubs,
you know,

656
00:43:50,721 --> 00:43:53,124
and we want to go back
to playing small clubs.

657
00:43:54,851 --> 00:43:56,786
He wanted Pearl Jam to be a band

658
00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:59,104
that goes out and tours in the van

659
00:43:59,563 --> 00:44:01,598
and pays its dues and plays clubs

660
00:44:02,107 --> 00:44:04,510
and makes albums and
has a slow, natural life.

661
00:44:06,444 --> 00:44:07,612
He was not the guy
that wanted to come out

662
00:44:07,904 --> 00:44:09,005
and have overnight success.

663
00:44:09,281 --> 00:44:11,384
I think he was critical
about the mixes of Ten.

664
00:44:11,909 --> 00:44:14,311
He felt like maybe they were
leaning too commercial.

665
00:44:14,912 --> 00:44:17,314
He was really reluctant.

666
00:44:18,291 --> 00:44:20,660
You are also not going to be

667
00:44:22,294 --> 00:44:23,895
doing videos right away at least.

668
00:44:24,296 --> 00:44:25,464
We just don't know.

669
00:44:25,756 --> 00:44:27,091
You know,
our mind is on music right now,

670
00:44:27,424 --> 00:44:29,826
which is probably a really
good thing for everybody.

671
00:44:31,471 --> 00:44:33,439
I think I got that theory
to make that part work.

672
00:44:33,931 --> 00:44:36,334
I come in one earlier
than I normally do.

673
00:44:38,936 --> 00:44:40,705
So I still do four.
So it almost felt like it didn't...

674
00:44:41,147 --> 00:44:42,314
It almost kind of always felt like
I did

675
00:44:42,606 --> 00:44:43,841
one too many or something,

676
00:44:44,149 --> 00:44:45,350
but it didn't, like, play itself.

677
00:44:45,651 --> 00:44:48,054
Let's just do it one more time.

678
00:45:47,004 --> 00:45:49,139
A lot of my job
is taking what they bring

679
00:45:49,673 --> 00:45:51,642
and turning it into something.

680
00:45:52,134 --> 00:45:54,536
Okay, this is a chord change.
This is this. This is a melody.

681
00:45:55,554 --> 00:45:56,888
Okay, but what does that mean?

682
00:45:57,222 --> 00:45:59,625
Where am l?
If I close my eyes, where am I?

683
00:46:00,226 --> 00:46:02,628
What does this music mean?

684
00:46:11,904 --> 00:46:14,306
Let's just figure out
where we want to go on that verse.

685
00:46:15,241 --> 00:46:17,476
I was at this, like,
small, little coffee shop,

686
00:46:18,034 --> 00:46:19,970
and someone came up and stopped me,

687
00:46:20,454 --> 00:46:21,588
and the waitress, this older lady,

688
00:46:21,872 --> 00:46:23,641
kind of witnessed it
and said, "You're..."

689
00:46:24,083 --> 00:46:25,384
I said, "Yeah, yeah, " you know.

690
00:46:25,709 --> 00:46:27,310
She says, "What? You don't like it?"

691
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:28,945
I said, "it’s just...

692
00:46:29,254 --> 00:46:30,555
"it’s no big deal, you know.
I'm just this guy."

693
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,982
And she says,
"If you don't like it, you know,

694
00:46:33,508 --> 00:46:35,611
"you certainly picked
the wrong business to be in."

695
00:46:36,137 --> 00:46:37,671
And she had a really good point.

696
00:46:38,054 --> 00:46:40,457
The fact is, when you sit
in your room playing guitar,

697
00:46:41,058 --> 00:46:42,393
you don't have to worry
about being successful.

698
00:46:42,727 --> 00:46:45,129
It's not gonna happen.
It's just not gonna happen.

699
00:46:46,855 --> 00:46:47,756
The point of doing an encore

700
00:46:47,982 --> 00:46:49,383
just doesn't make any sense to me.

701
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:52,136
When you're playing
in front of 30 people...

702
00:46:54,738 --> 00:46:56,673
I had done the movie
"Say Anything..."

703
00:46:57,157 --> 00:46:59,560
and was anxious to do
the next movie here in Seattle,

704
00:47:00,703 --> 00:47:03,105
and it was going to have
that mix of music that I love.

705
00:47:06,167 --> 00:47:07,568
The studio looked at the movie
and said,

706
00:47:07,918 --> 00:47:09,119
"We don't know
how to sell this movie.

707
00:47:09,419 --> 00:47:11,088
"We don't even want to put it out."

708
00:47:11,505 --> 00:47:13,907
But as Nirvana got bigger
and Pearl Jam got bigger,

709
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:17,536
they came to me and said,
"Well, you know, there is one way."

710
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:21,164
When we looked at the schedule,

711
00:47:21,473 --> 00:47:23,308
it was like there was one day off
that week,

712
00:47:23,767 --> 00:47:25,269
and that was the day
that he wanted us to play,

713
00:47:25,644 --> 00:47:27,112
and we're just going like, "Shit."

714
00:47:27,479 --> 00:47:29,881
Any memories of
the "Singles" party in Los Angeles,

715
00:47:30,774 --> 00:47:32,376
which we have
very vivid footage from.

716
00:47:32,777 --> 00:47:35,179
God. Do you have
some footage of that?

717
00:47:35,863 --> 00:47:37,664
We do.
The unaired, of course, footage.

718
00:47:38,114 --> 00:47:40,517
Yeah. I won't watch that.

719
00:47:41,368 --> 00:47:43,770
Fuck MTV! Fuck all TV!

720
00:47:44,997 --> 00:47:46,232
It was pretty bad.

721
00:47:46,582 --> 00:47:47,750
We're all just warming up, you know.

722
00:47:48,042 --> 00:47:49,577
It’s not like one of these
fucking movie things.

723
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,362
You've got to warm up, right?

724
00:47:52,963 --> 00:47:54,431
It was a disaster,

725
00:47:54,798 --> 00:47:56,200
a total disaster.

726
00:47:56,592 --> 00:47:58,961
Everybody loves us.

727
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,122
Everybody loves our town!

728
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:05,425
There were some long sound checks
that day or something.

729
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:07,411
So I drank, like, one bottle of wine,

730
00:48:07,812 --> 00:48:09,413
and then there was, like,
another that I opened

731
00:48:09,813 --> 00:48:12,216
to give to friends,
and they weren't drinking.

732
00:48:16,153 --> 00:48:17,221
And so we're downstairs,

733
00:48:17,488 --> 00:48:19,890
and there's a bottle of tequila
sitting down there,

734
00:48:21,033 --> 00:48:22,701
which we hardly ever drank
before the show,

735
00:48:23,118 --> 00:48:25,521
but by that point, we were already,
like, fucking wasted.

736
00:48:27,539 --> 00:48:28,840
I actually have more memories

737
00:48:29,165 --> 00:48:31,568
than you'd think I would have.

738
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,488
The monitors
weren't working that well,

739
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,782
or my ears weren't working,
one or the other.

740
00:48:38,258 --> 00:48:40,327
I kept looking over and
asking them to turn the monitors up.

741
00:48:40,844 --> 00:48:42,813
I can't hear anything.
And it just wouldn't turn up.

742
00:48:43,305 --> 00:48:45,307
At some point after a while,
I just got really upset,

743
00:48:45,808 --> 00:48:48,043
and I went over.
They had this pipe and drape thing,

744
00:48:48,602 --> 00:48:49,870
and I pulled it off
and threw it down or something.

745
00:48:50,187 --> 00:48:51,355
I don't know. Is this documented?

746
00:48:51,647 --> 00:48:53,883
I looked over,
and that wasn't our sound woman.

747
00:48:54,442 --> 00:48:56,343
It was the lighting person.
I kept wondering, like,

748
00:48:56,818 --> 00:48:59,221
"Why is it getting brighter in here?"

749
00:49:08,247 --> 00:49:10,649
I began to see studio executives
and their families

750
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:13,034
starting to stream for the exits.

751
00:49:13,418 --> 00:49:14,586
Some fights were breaking out.

752
00:49:14,878 --> 00:49:17,281
Don't be violent!
Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

753
00:49:33,063 --> 00:49:34,298
Because we had waited so long

754
00:49:34,607 --> 00:49:35,775
for anyone to ask us to do something

755
00:49:36,067 --> 00:49:37,968
that we were saying yes, yes, yes.

756
00:49:38,443 --> 00:49:40,846
That was a moment where
it was really evident

757
00:49:41,572 --> 00:49:42,773
that there was always gonna be

758
00:49:43,073 --> 00:49:45,476
one more thing they were
gonna want you to do.

759
00:49:49,913 --> 00:49:52,216
At some point, you had to say no.

760
00:49:52,792 --> 00:49:55,194
That was the birth of no.

761
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:27,892
Let's keep things rolling here, Tab.

762
00:50:28,493 --> 00:50:30,529
"Grunge rockers Pearl Jam."

763
00:50:31,038 --> 00:50:32,039
We don't have time
to explain the puzzle to you,

764
00:50:32,289 --> 00:50:34,691
but we'll be back.

765
00:50:44,718 --> 00:50:46,887
Shit got fucking crazy.

766
00:50:47,429 --> 00:50:48,563
- Who are Pearl Jam?
- Right.

767
00:50:48,847 --> 00:50:50,749
This is MTV's "Smells Like Grunge"
countdown.

768
00:50:51,224 --> 00:50:52,092
I was just screaming for anything.

769
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:53,276
I wanted something of Eddie's.

770
00:50:53,518 --> 00:50:55,387
And they gave me the wine bottle.

771
00:50:55,854 --> 00:50:56,888
What did you think of the show?

772
00:50:57,147 --> 00:50:58,415
It was fucking so awesome.

773
00:50:58,732 --> 00:50:59,733
Could you do a Week in Rock
open for us?

774
00:50:59,983 --> 00:51:01,185
What is that?

775
00:51:01,485 --> 00:51:03,753
We're just about to launch
MTV in Latin America.

776
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,622
I don't know if you feel comfortable

777
00:51:05,948 --> 00:51:07,216
doing a couple of l.D.'s for us...

778
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:08,467
- Sure.
- Sure.

779
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,102
In  Spanish. So if you
could just hang on. Josh.

780
00:51:12,495 --> 00:51:13,830
Pearl Jam.

781
00:51:14,164 --> 00:51:16,566
MTV.

782
00:51:17,459 --> 00:51:18,960
What do you think grunge means?

783
00:51:19,335 --> 00:51:20,570
I don't even say that word.

784
00:51:20,879 --> 00:51:21,913
Really?

785
00:51:22,172 --> 00:51:24,575
All your friends are
talking about is Pearl Jam.

786
00:51:25,884 --> 00:51:27,586
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

787
00:51:28,012 --> 00:51:30,047
I've always hated their band.

788
00:51:30,555 --> 00:51:32,257
The first Pearl Jam
record came out two months

789
00:51:32,683 --> 00:51:34,818
before the Nevermind record,
so it turned into

790
00:51:35,352 --> 00:51:36,787
a Pearl Jam versus Nirvana thing.

791
00:51:37,145 --> 00:51:38,380
Nirvana's Kurt Cobain made

792
00:51:38,689 --> 00:51:40,958
some rather disparaging remarks
about Pearl Jam's music,

793
00:51:41,525 --> 00:51:42,726
which he thought was too commercial

794
00:51:43,027 --> 00:51:44,895
to be truly alternative.

795
00:51:45,362 --> 00:51:47,765
I was so naive and fresh
when we first came out,

796
00:51:48,574 --> 00:51:50,943
singing and opening up,
and then everyone

797
00:51:51,535 --> 00:51:53,837
just looked at it
from a cynical point of view

798
00:51:54,413 --> 00:51:56,815
or started copying it.

799
00:51:57,708 --> 00:52:00,110
Eddie Vedder joins
Creed front man Scott Stapp.

800
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:09,644
Eddie Vedder is attempting

801
00:52:09,928 --> 00:52:12,331
to rip out Scott Stapp's larynx
with his bare hands.

802
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,808
The group is called Pearl Jam.

803
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,134
I'm talking about Pearl Jam.

804
00:52:16,393 --> 00:52:17,628
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

805
00:52:17,937 --> 00:52:19,505
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.
Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

806
00:52:19,897 --> 00:52:22,299
Pearl Jam...

807
00:52:24,943 --> 00:52:26,645
Hi. I'm Tabitha Soren
with "MTV News."

808
00:52:27,112 --> 00:52:29,481
Pearl Jam will become the second
Seattle band within a month

809
00:52:30,073 --> 00:52:31,575
to enter
the Billboard pop albums chart

810
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:33,151
at number one next week.

811
00:52:33,452 --> 00:52:34,787
Since its release a week ago,

812
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,489
Vs. has sold 950,000 copies.

813
00:52:38,123 --> 00:52:40,125
A million.
You know, what's a million?

814
00:52:40,625 --> 00:52:43,028
I'm having a hard enough time
with one right now.

815
00:52:44,422 --> 00:52:45,790
We played "Saturday Night Live"
the second time,

816
00:52:46,132 --> 00:52:47,333
and I remember
talking to Stone the next day,

817
00:52:47,633 --> 00:52:48,567
and he said, "What did you
think of Daughter?"

818
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,202
And I thought in my mind,
we played Daughter?

819
00:52:52,804 --> 00:52:55,207
So I essentially blacked out on TV.

820
00:52:59,144 --> 00:53:00,746
And that's how I dealt with
how big we got,

821
00:53:01,147 --> 00:53:03,416
kind of checking out
and partying a lot.

822
00:53:03,983 --> 00:53:05,784
I bought into the myth,

823
00:53:06,234 --> 00:53:07,836
and it was killing me.

824
00:53:08,237 --> 00:53:09,271
The last time I talked to Kurt,

825
00:53:09,529 --> 00:53:11,765
we both agreed together
that we were not

826
00:53:12,324 --> 00:53:13,659
going to participate in
the Time Magazine.

827
00:53:13,993 --> 00:53:15,461
Neither band was going to participate

828
00:53:15,828 --> 00:53:18,030
in the Time Magazine interview,
and we didn't,

829
00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:20,982
and then they put me
on the fucking cover anyway.

830
00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:22,868
I mean, sure, I could read it,

831
00:53:23,168 --> 00:53:24,369
you know, and I read it.
I read it on the airplanes.

832
00:53:24,669 --> 00:53:25,737
But I don't take it seriously.

833
00:53:26,004 --> 00:53:26,938
If I want to find out anything,

834
00:53:27,172 --> 00:53:28,307
I'm not gonna read Time Magazine.

835
00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:30,125
Time Magazine was just, you know,

836
00:53:30,509 --> 00:53:31,576
your parents' magazine

837
00:53:31,843 --> 00:53:33,412
or the magazine
that's in a doctor's office,

838
00:53:33,804 --> 00:53:34,738
and I just thought,

839
00:53:34,972 --> 00:53:37,374
"We've been swallowed up
by the mainstream,

840
00:53:38,183 --> 00:53:39,618
"and no one's gonna want to
listen to us."

841
00:53:39,977 --> 00:53:41,111
I'm not gonna read Newsweek.

842
00:53:41,394 --> 00:53:42,629
I'm not gonna read
any of these magazines.

843
00:53:42,938 --> 00:53:44,473
I mean, 'cause they've just got
too much to lose

844
00:53:44,857 --> 00:53:47,259
by printing the truth.

845
00:53:49,694 --> 00:53:52,097
You know that.

846
00:56:05,539 --> 00:56:07,941
How were you going to survive
and not do something wrong,

847
00:56:09,877 --> 00:56:11,345
not piss someone off?

848
00:56:11,712 --> 00:56:13,380
You know, now you've sold
too many records,

849
00:56:13,797 --> 00:56:16,133
but these people are so happy
to hear your music,

850
00:56:16,717 --> 00:56:18,452
but these people hate you now.

851
00:56:18,885 --> 00:56:21,288
And... And these people
love you so much

852
00:56:22,348 --> 00:56:24,483
they want to kill you.

853
00:56:25,017 --> 00:56:27,119
So how do you relate to
any of these people

854
00:56:27,644 --> 00:56:30,047
from where you are?

855
00:56:30,898 --> 00:56:33,100
Yeah, I think the one that
I wanted to get impersonal with

856
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:36,052
was No Code
because of stalker problems

857
00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:38,238
and built a wall
in front of the house

858
00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:40,932
because... Because why?

859
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,561
Because I had been open
and honest and intimate in lyrics,

860
00:56:47,205 --> 00:56:49,607
that seemed really strange.

861
00:56:50,292 --> 00:56:52,661
Now I'm having to build a wall
in front of the house.

862
00:56:54,422 --> 00:56:56,824
I mean, that wall...
It saved my life.

863
00:56:59,259 --> 00:57:01,094
Not because of privacy
or anything, but literally,

864
00:57:01,553 --> 00:57:03,956
because someone drove,
trying to drive into the house

865
00:57:05,432 --> 00:57:07,835
at 50 miles an hour.

866
00:57:10,103 --> 00:57:12,506
So, you wonder what happened

867
00:57:14,399 --> 00:57:16,802
or how did it mutate into
this kind of situation?

868
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:21,473
You'll have to edit this part.

869
00:57:24,659 --> 00:57:26,761
The young musician
who made grunge music popular

870
00:57:27,287 --> 00:57:28,889
had become an overnight spokesman

871
00:57:29,289 --> 00:57:30,891
for many disaffected young Americans,

872
00:57:31,292 --> 00:57:33,427
as his fans tried to sort out
what it was

873
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,162
that caused him to take his life.

874
00:57:36,713 --> 00:57:37,848
I was trying to, like, with my eyes

875
00:57:38,132 --> 00:57:40,534
trying to tell them, "Don't hurt me."

876
00:57:42,219 --> 00:57:43,253
And what's all this nonsense

877
00:57:43,512 --> 00:57:45,247
about how terrible life is?

878
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,983
A young girl who stood outside
his home in Seattle

879
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,794
with tears
streaming down her face said,

880
00:57:51,353 --> 00:57:53,722
"it’s hard to be
a young person nowadays.

881
00:57:54,314 --> 00:57:56,717
"He helped open people's eyes
to our struggles."

882
00:57:57,859 --> 00:58:00,061
Please wipe the tears
from your eyes, dear.

883
00:58:00,611 --> 00:58:01,946
You're breaking my heart.

884
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,482
I'd love to relieve
the pain you're going through

885
00:58:05,033 --> 00:58:07,436
by switching my age for yours.

886
00:58:11,081 --> 00:58:11,948
I was trying to call him

887
00:58:12,165 --> 00:58:13,199
because I'd read something he said,

888
00:58:13,458 --> 00:58:15,027
that he couldn't keep it real,

889
00:58:15,419 --> 00:58:16,586
and I just wanted
to tell him, "Listen,

890
00:58:16,878 --> 00:58:17,879
"you don't have to do anything

891
00:58:18,129 --> 00:58:19,164
"anybody fucking tells you to do.

892
00:58:19,423 --> 00:58:21,525
"Just stop fucking playing,
cancel all your shit,

893
00:58:22,050 --> 00:58:23,118
"and don't do anything."

894
00:58:23,385 --> 00:58:25,120
I had a whole thing
I was going to tell him,

895
00:58:25,554 --> 00:58:27,856
but I never got a chance.

896
00:58:28,431 --> 00:58:30,500
Sometimes people elevate you,
you know,

897
00:58:31,018 --> 00:58:33,420
whether you like it or not.

898
00:58:34,479 --> 00:58:36,882
It's real easy to fall.

899
00:58:38,609 --> 00:58:41,011
I don't think any of us would be
in this room here tonight

900
00:58:42,111 --> 00:58:44,514
if it weren't for Kurt Cobain, so...

901
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:52,272
People think that we're whining
or crying about success

902
00:58:53,874 --> 00:58:55,142
if we're just really trying
to tell you

903
00:58:55,459 --> 00:58:57,661
that there's some intense pressures

904
00:58:58,211 --> 00:59:00,613
and really some things
that could be helped.

905
00:59:19,399 --> 00:59:20,767
He resonates in my life

906
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:23,512
in this... It always comes up,
like, around a campfire

907
00:59:24,696 --> 00:59:27,098
or playing music with a few guys
he had known in a garage

908
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:30,852
for no particular reason.

909
00:59:31,328 --> 00:59:33,697
I always just think,
"He would have...

910
00:59:34,581 --> 00:59:36,983
"He would have liked this."

911
00:59:50,514 --> 00:59:51,481
I really like him.

912
00:59:51,723 --> 00:59:53,725
I think he's a nice,
really nice person.

913
00:59:54,225 --> 00:59:55,527
I didn't like him a lot then,

914
00:59:55,853 --> 00:59:58,022
when I was talking shit
about him all the time,

915
00:59:58,564 --> 01:00:00,966
but now I can...
I can appreciate him, you know.

916
01:00:01,566 --> 01:00:03,168
I mean, I've realized that, you know,

917
01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:05,003
the same people that like
our band like their band,

918
01:00:05,361 --> 01:00:07,764
so why create some kind
of feud over something?

919
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:18,441
He made us think about
everything that we did, you know.

920
01:00:18,916 --> 01:00:20,518
His critique of us early on

921
01:00:20,919 --> 01:00:23,155
sure kept us on good behavior.

922
01:00:23,714 --> 01:00:24,948
In  terms of everything that we did,

923
01:00:25,256 --> 01:00:27,025
we thought,
"Okay, why are we doing this?"

924
01:00:27,468 --> 01:00:28,902
If we're good now,

925
01:00:29,260 --> 01:00:31,663
it's partly because of him.

926
01:00:39,229 --> 01:00:40,831
It's not like you're friends
or anything.

927
01:00:41,231 --> 01:00:42,766
I mean, I can consider him

928
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:44,351
a person that I really like.

929
01:00:44,651 --> 01:00:45,985
I mean, we've had a few
conversations on the phone,

930
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:47,220
and I really like him.

931
01:00:47,445 --> 01:00:49,848
I think he's a nice,
really nice person.

932
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:53,427
Yeah, I remember
the sound of his voice,

933
01:00:53,744 --> 01:00:55,879
but I don't remember
what we talked about.

934
01:00:56,413 --> 01:00:58,816
Just normal stuff.
It was just real...

935
01:01:00,584 --> 01:01:02,986
Just real normal.

936
01:01:23,106 --> 01:01:24,307
I haven't let myself change,

937
01:01:24,649 --> 01:01:26,885
but the way people see you changes,

938
01:01:27,444 --> 01:01:29,780
and that's not in my hands,
that's not in my control.

939
01:01:30,364 --> 01:01:31,798
And maybe what is in my control

940
01:01:32,156 --> 01:01:34,459
is not doing interviews,
or not being on the TV,

941
01:01:35,035 --> 01:01:37,437
and not anything to kind of
glorify your face or position.

942
01:01:43,335 --> 01:01:45,337
I was talking about this band
being a bit more faceless,

943
01:01:45,838 --> 01:01:47,306
and it can be done, you know.

944
01:01:47,673 --> 01:01:49,675
Pink Floyd and...

945
01:01:50,175 --> 01:01:52,577
I mean, it can be done.

946
01:01:55,346 --> 01:01:57,749
Ed couldn't be anonymous,
and it was affecting him.

947
01:01:58,850 --> 01:01:59,918
So I think psychologically,

948
01:02:00,185 --> 01:02:02,587
he needed to take control
of something.

949
01:02:05,524 --> 01:02:07,893
So then he was like, "Okay.
I can have control over music."

950
01:02:15,241 --> 01:02:17,644
I felt that anything that we put out
was highly representative of me,

951
01:02:19,996 --> 01:02:22,398
because I was kind of becoming
the most recognizable guy.

952
01:02:36,429 --> 01:02:37,597
Vitalogy was the first record

953
01:02:37,889 --> 01:02:40,025
where it was like we were making
a record in a different way.

954
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:41,460
I was writing a few songs,

955
01:02:41,685 --> 01:02:42,953
but all of a sudden
everybody was starting to write,

956
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:44,604
and he was writing more,
and I was like,

957
01:02:44,938 --> 01:02:46,406
"Wait a minute, you know.
I'm the guy.

958
01:02:46,773 --> 01:02:48,709
"You know, let me get in there
and do this thing.

959
01:02:49,193 --> 01:02:51,595
"I know how to do this thing."

960
01:02:52,195 --> 01:02:54,597
And at the time I thought,
"This isn't our best record."

961
01:02:56,158 --> 01:02:58,494
The dynamics of the band
of how they have changed

962
01:02:59,078 --> 01:03:01,313
to who was "in power, "

963
01:03:01,871 --> 01:03:04,140
Stone early on,

964
01:03:04,708 --> 01:03:07,110
Ed now.

965
01:03:45,165 --> 01:03:46,666
As much as I'm excited to play,

966
01:03:47,041 --> 01:03:48,843
I'll cop to it, it's a surfing tour.

967
01:03:49,335 --> 01:03:51,204
I plan on having a surfboard
with me at all times.

968
01:03:51,671 --> 01:03:52,805
That was a big worldwide tour.

969
01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:55,258
I think it was the first time
we went to Australia.

970
01:03:55,843 --> 01:03:57,978
It was a challenging time,
to kind of go,

971
01:03:58,511 --> 01:03:59,779
"I don't know if we're
the same band right now,

972
01:04:00,096 --> 01:04:01,898
"but we might be a different band
right now,

973
01:04:02,349 --> 01:04:04,751
"and maybe
they'll like the new band."

974
01:04:19,658 --> 01:04:22,060
Jeff and I have always had
this adversarial relationship.

975
01:04:22,953 --> 01:04:23,821
It’s all been muted now

976
01:04:24,038 --> 01:04:25,773
because what we thought of
as our new band

977
01:04:26,206 --> 01:04:27,640
that we might try to control together

978
01:04:27,999 --> 01:04:30,268
immediately was taken over by Ed.

979
01:04:30,835 --> 01:04:32,370
But we learned
the greatest lesson of all,

980
01:04:32,754 --> 01:04:35,090
which is just as you're fighting
over the scraps of control,

981
01:04:35,674 --> 01:04:37,442
you meet somebody
with so much artistic energy

982
01:04:37,884 --> 01:04:40,287
that your argument becomes pointless.

983
01:05:07,414 --> 01:05:09,149
We were always kind of
going towards something else.

984
01:05:09,583 --> 01:05:10,918
I think we wanted to be
more like Zeppelin.

985
01:05:11,251 --> 01:05:13,386
I think we wanted to be more
of a chameleon type of band.

986
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,323
We didn't want to be locked into,
like, a real specific style.

987
01:05:17,508 --> 01:05:18,909
But the business aspect
of the record company,

988
01:05:19,259 --> 01:05:20,460
it's all about
fucking making money now

989
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,629
and fucking wind this thing up,
and you know,

990
01:05:23,096 --> 01:05:24,597
they could care less
if it's gone tomorrow

991
01:05:24,973 --> 01:05:26,675
because they've got something
coming up the fucking backside

992
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,234
that's gonna replace it.

993
01:05:28,518 --> 01:05:30,220
And we were just trying to figure out

994
01:05:30,645 --> 01:05:32,547
how we were gonna be a band
down the road, you know.

995
01:05:33,023 --> 01:05:35,092
Like, there wasn't anybody to
go to at that point, you know,

996
01:05:35,609 --> 01:05:38,011
not until we met Neil.

997
01:05:40,489 --> 01:05:41,390
The first time we got asked

998
01:05:41,615 --> 01:05:43,083
to play The Bridge School
in San Francisco,

999
01:05:43,491 --> 01:05:44,726
we just made a connection there.

1000
01:05:45,035 --> 01:05:45,936
He said,
"Hey, man, thanks for doing this."

1001
01:05:46,161 --> 01:05:48,530
And a few months later,
he asked us to go to Europe with him.

1002
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:52,192
Like, it all seems like...
All seems like a dream to me.

1003
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:04,971
Doing a record with him,
we did Mirror Ball,

1004
01:06:05,346 --> 01:06:07,715
it was so educational, listening
to him talk about his career.

1005
01:06:08,725 --> 01:06:10,493
Playing in stadiums one minute,

1006
01:06:10,935 --> 01:06:12,237
and then the next time
he's playing in clubs,

1007
01:06:12,563 --> 01:06:14,131
and then he's playing
in medium-sized places,

1008
01:06:14,523 --> 01:06:16,892
but all along, he's doing
whatever he wants to do.

1009
01:06:17,525 --> 01:06:19,928
His point is to kind of
roll with the punches.

1010
01:06:54,313 --> 01:06:56,715
I'm happy to finally have
an adult in my life

1011
01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:00,001
that leads by example.

1012
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,762
I've had some crazy adults
in my life.

1013
01:07:03,571 --> 01:07:05,974
So it's about time I got one
that inspires me.

1014
01:07:22,841 --> 01:07:25,243
I hope Neil’s feeling feisty tonight,

1015
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:29,631
and speaking of feisty,

1016
01:07:29,931 --> 01:07:32,333
some smart-ass
who arranged the tables

1017
01:07:33,268 --> 01:07:35,671
put our table right next to
Ticketmaster's table over here.

1018
01:07:42,528 --> 01:07:44,930
So I predict a food fight
by the end of the evening,

1019
01:07:48,033 --> 01:07:50,435
and I would recommend
to the classy people over there

1020
01:07:51,078 --> 01:07:52,746
to scoot away or join in.

1021
01:07:53,163 --> 01:07:55,566
Maybe we should all join in
while we got them right here.

1022
01:08:00,879 --> 01:08:02,314
In  the United States,
the hit rock band Pearl Jam

1023
01:08:02,673 --> 01:08:05,075
has taken battle against
what it claims

1024
01:08:05,675 --> 01:08:07,644
is the greed of
the entertainment industry.

1025
01:08:08,136 --> 01:08:09,604
It’s tackling the high cost of buying

1026
01:08:09,971 --> 01:08:12,373
from the country's biggest
ticket agency, Ticketmaster.

1027
01:08:13,016 --> 01:08:15,418
All the band wants, it says,
is a fair deal for the fans.

1028
01:08:19,355 --> 01:08:21,324
We don't want
to be doing a press conference.

1029
01:08:21,816 --> 01:08:23,084
We want to be playing.

1030
01:08:23,401 --> 01:08:25,637
The nation's top rock band
is accusing

1031
01:08:26,196 --> 01:08:27,697
the biggest ticket distributor
in the business

1032
01:08:28,073 --> 01:08:30,142
of unfair practices
and price-gouging.

1033
01:08:30,659 --> 01:08:33,061
If they don't agree to Ticketmaster's
terms, they can't perform.

1034
01:08:33,995 --> 01:08:36,398
A spokesman insisted
Ticketmaster never told

1035
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,708
any promoter not to book Pearl Jam.

1036
01:08:39,125 --> 01:08:41,528
He dismissed the band members as,

1037
01:08:44,965 --> 01:08:46,833
Last month, the band took
the extraordinary step

1038
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:49,703
of filing a complaint here
at the justice department.

1039
01:08:52,514 --> 01:08:54,916
When you're on that big of a stage,
it's not in your control.

1040
01:08:55,559 --> 01:08:57,094
You're sort of playing a part
to some larger drama.

1041
01:08:57,478 --> 01:08:59,880
We had a very specific problem
with Ticketmaster,

1042
01:09:00,898 --> 01:09:02,166
and they asked us to come and testify

1043
01:09:02,483 --> 01:09:03,350
about our specific problem

1044
01:09:03,566 --> 01:09:05,535
in regards to a larger lawsuit
that was being brought,

1045
01:09:06,028 --> 01:09:07,563
but it's always been
perceived as, like,

1046
01:09:07,946 --> 01:09:09,614
we were trying to
break up Ticketmaster.

1047
01:09:10,031 --> 01:09:12,300
The subcommittee will come to order.

1048
01:09:12,868 --> 01:09:14,436
We are honored
to have representatives

1049
01:09:14,828 --> 01:09:17,231
of both Pearl Jam and
Ticketmaster here with us today.

1050
01:09:18,915 --> 01:09:21,318
The key question is whether
recent contractual agreements

1051
01:09:22,085 --> 01:09:24,020
between Ticketmaster
and most major stadiums

1052
01:09:24,504 --> 01:09:26,907
and concert promoters have violated
federal antitrust laws.

1053
01:09:29,175 --> 01:09:31,578
Who would like to go first? Stone?

1054
01:09:32,929 --> 01:09:34,598
All the members of Pearl Jam
remember what it's like

1055
01:09:35,015 --> 01:09:37,050
to be young
and not have a lot of money.

1056
01:09:37,559 --> 01:09:38,794
Many Pearl Jam fans are teenagers

1057
01:09:39,102 --> 01:09:40,737
who do not have the money
to pay $30 or more

1058
01:09:41,146 --> 01:09:43,415
that is often charged
for tickets today.

1059
01:09:43,982 --> 01:09:45,083
We have made a conscious decision

1060
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,593
that we do not want to put
the price of our concerts

1061
01:09:46,901 --> 01:09:48,169
out of the reach of our fans.

1062
01:09:48,486 --> 01:09:49,988
Mr. Chairman,
this is really about choices.

1063
01:09:50,364 --> 01:09:51,965
Fans can go from one music store
to another

1064
01:09:52,365 --> 01:09:53,967
to find the best deal on a CD,

1065
01:09:54,367 --> 01:09:55,835
but they can't go anywhere
but Ticketmaster

1066
01:09:56,202 --> 01:09:57,336
for concert tickets.

1067
01:09:57,620 --> 01:10:00,023
Do you think Ticketmaster
is entitled to a profit?

1068
01:10:01,082 --> 01:10:03,484
I don't think
that question matters, you know.

1069
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,322
You do have a contract
with your record company,

1070
01:10:07,922 --> 01:10:09,891
and it is exclusive. Is that correct?

1071
01:10:10,384 --> 01:10:11,852
I think this line
of questioning is very strange,

1072
01:10:12,219 --> 01:10:14,621
because it seems like what does that
really have to do with anything?

1073
01:10:15,389 --> 01:10:17,124
The issue at hand here
is whether Ticketmaster

1074
01:10:17,557 --> 01:10:19,292
is a monopoly, not whether...

1075
01:10:19,726 --> 01:10:20,927
Or to have anything to do with
our business

1076
01:10:21,227 --> 01:10:22,628
or what our relationship is
with our manager.

1077
01:10:23,021 --> 01:10:24,589
Let's just get it on the record.

1078
01:10:24,981 --> 01:10:26,249
- Mr. Horn.
- Now I gather...

1079
01:10:26,566 --> 01:10:28,968
Do you want these guys
to play Long Beach or not?

1080
01:10:29,945 --> 01:10:32,347
What I want is a record.

1081
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,643
What I want is a record here.

1082
01:10:37,827 --> 01:10:39,796
Let's just get it on the record.

1083
01:10:40,289 --> 01:10:42,691
A record here.

1084
01:10:46,002 --> 01:10:48,404
First of all, I want you to know
I think you're just darling guys.

1085
01:10:50,465 --> 01:10:51,800
This is so great.

1086
01:10:52,134 --> 01:10:53,468
When we got involved in this issue,

1087
01:10:53,801 --> 01:10:56,204
I did not know very much, and still
don't, about alternative music.

1088
01:10:58,306 --> 01:11:00,708
After some requests, I tried to learn
some Pearl Jam songs,

1089
01:11:02,144 --> 01:11:04,546
but I think it's a little beyond me.

1090
01:11:06,522 --> 01:11:08,724
Having been a fan
for many, many years,

1091
01:11:09,275 --> 01:11:10,176
I don't want to become

1092
01:11:10,401 --> 01:11:12,337
something that I despised
as a kid, you know.

1093
01:11:12,821 --> 01:11:15,223
When my staff told me
we were going to have this hearing,

1094
01:11:16,157 --> 01:11:17,859
I have to tell you,
I knew nothing about grunge,

1095
01:11:18,285 --> 01:11:20,687
but I know a lot about the importance
of fairness and equity,

1096
01:11:22,539 --> 01:11:24,941
and I think you've raised
some very important questions.

1097
01:11:26,792 --> 01:11:28,661
Who were the powers-that-be
that wanted to be perceived

1098
01:11:29,129 --> 01:11:30,397
as putting some pressure
on Ticketmaster?

1099
01:11:30,714 --> 01:11:33,116
It’s like, you know,
those are back-room,

1100
01:11:33,884 --> 01:11:35,786
David Lynch-ian guys in hotel rooms

1101
01:11:36,261 --> 01:11:38,663
who need oxygen tanks, darkened L.A.

1102
01:11:40,474 --> 01:11:41,942
That's who I always think of.

1103
01:11:42,309 --> 01:11:44,711
It’s like, he understands.

1104
01:11:46,812 --> 01:11:48,781
Almost a year after picking 
its fight with Ticketmaster,

1105
01:11:49,274 --> 01:11:51,676
Pearl Jam remains alone
among major rock bands

1106
01:11:52,444 --> 01:11:54,212
who could have joined
the Seattle group in its boycott

1107
01:11:54,654 --> 01:11:55,689
but never did.

1108
01:11:55,947 --> 01:11:57,749
It’s just a few lonely voices

1109
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,335
because not many
of the other groups joined up.

1110
01:12:00,869 --> 01:12:02,471
There's no deal
between us and Ticketmaster.

1111
01:12:02,871 --> 01:12:05,273
We're not playing
Ticketmaster shows this summer.

1112
01:12:20,137 --> 01:12:21,906
Shows where we're going
outside of cities

1113
01:12:22,349 --> 01:12:24,685
and building shows
from the ground up,

1114
01:12:25,269 --> 01:12:27,671
that was a really tough time.

1115
01:12:54,255 --> 01:12:56,358
We're trying to find how many
counterfeit tickets are out there.

1116
01:12:56,884 --> 01:12:58,652
We saw some people selling tickets.

1117
01:12:59,094 --> 01:13:00,429
So we bought them.
We were all psyched.

1118
01:13:00,762 --> 01:13:02,930
And then we got up to the door,
and they said they were counterfeit.

1119
01:13:03,472 --> 01:13:04,540
Right now,
we're trying to figure out

1120
01:13:04,807 --> 01:13:07,210
how to help these kids
get into the show.

1121
01:13:20,281 --> 01:13:22,684
Let me just leave you
with this observation.

1122
01:13:23,492 --> 01:13:25,228
When art is successful,

1123
01:13:25,662 --> 01:13:28,064
it unavoidably becomes a business.

1124
01:13:28,749 --> 01:13:30,350
The question then is

1125
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,986
whether artists have
an inherent right

1126
01:13:33,545 --> 01:13:35,747
to control the limits
of their business

1127
01:13:36,297 --> 01:13:38,533
and how it relates to
the growth of their art.

1128
01:13:39,092 --> 01:13:41,361
The answer, I'm convinced,

1129
01:13:41,929 --> 01:13:44,331
is that artists do have
a right to that control.

1130
01:13:46,975 --> 01:13:48,843
I think we've always
just fallen into ways

1131
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:51,713
of doing things the way
we felt they should be done,

1132
01:13:52,814 --> 01:13:54,683
and whether they were right
or whether they were wrong,

1133
01:13:55,150 --> 01:13:57,552
they were just our ways of doing it.

1134
01:13:59,862 --> 01:14:01,564
I've never heard of Pearl Jam,
I must admit.

1135
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:04,392
That makes two of us.

1136
01:14:05,952 --> 01:14:08,254
And here we are in your fine place.

1137
01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:11,066
And what are the things
that you've kept

1138
01:14:11,625 --> 01:14:14,027
that remind you of the experience
the last 20 years with the band?

1139
01:14:14,627 --> 01:14:17,029
I'm sure I've kept the least amount
of things of anyone in the band.

1140
01:14:18,631 --> 01:14:20,233
How I've always justified that is,

1141
01:14:20,634 --> 01:14:22,369
one, I lose everything all the time.

1142
01:14:22,802 --> 01:14:24,570
So it comes naturally to me.

1143
01:14:25,012 --> 01:14:27,415
And two, Jeff Ament keeps so much,

1144
01:14:29,017 --> 01:14:31,419
and really, if all I have to do
is just maintain

1145
01:14:33,104 --> 01:14:34,773
my good relationship with Jeff Ament,

1146
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:36,491
I can always go over to his house

1147
01:14:36,816 --> 01:14:38,851
and look through
all the stuff that he has,

1148
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,763
and celebrate
his keeping of the things.

1149
01:14:44,616 --> 01:14:47,018
Pearl Jam in Mexico City

1150
01:14:49,496 --> 01:14:51,898
memorial... These are some
of the Mexico City coffee cups.

1151
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:55,802
So that's a...
it’s a little faded now.

1152
01:14:56,377 --> 01:14:58,779
Because you use it.

1153
01:15:01,966 --> 01:15:04,369
This one clearly needs to go
back in the dishwasher.

1154
01:15:05,011 --> 01:15:06,246
Here's something.

1155
01:15:06,555 --> 01:15:08,123
Mike McCready just sent me this.

1156
01:15:08,556 --> 01:15:10,925
It’s the demos from
Temple of the Dog.

1157
01:15:15,730 --> 01:15:17,065
I've got a few...

1158
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:19,801
This is a box full of Pearl Jam
"Touring Band" DVDs.

1159
01:15:22,570 --> 01:15:24,439
And that's 2000.

1160
01:15:24,906 --> 01:15:26,641
I don't know why they're still there.

1161
01:15:27,075 --> 01:15:28,276
I haven't... I'm not sure...

1162
01:15:28,576 --> 01:15:30,578
And a few Pearl Jam CD’s here,

1163
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:33,081
the kind of stuff probably
I had someone bring by

1164
01:15:33,581 --> 01:15:35,984
because I was trying to remember
how to play some songs.

1165
01:15:37,919 --> 01:15:40,322
I don't know if there's anything else
in here.

1166
01:15:41,297 --> 01:15:43,699
Let's see here.
Yep, that might be it.

1167
01:15:46,094 --> 01:15:48,497
There might be something
in the basement.

1168
01:15:51,099 --> 01:15:53,502
Look it. There's a Grammy.

1169
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:57,672
I knew this was gonna come in handy.

1170
01:16:21,671 --> 01:16:24,073
You can tell how I feel
about the Grammys.

1171
01:16:31,472 --> 01:16:32,473
You know, at the Grammys,

1172
01:16:32,724 --> 01:16:34,493
I was having kind of a bad day.

1173
01:16:34,935 --> 01:16:36,036
I was getting thrown out
by security people

1174
01:16:36,311 --> 01:16:37,512
for trying to sneak a cigarette
in the backstage,

1175
01:16:37,812 --> 01:16:40,214
and you couldn't go out because
of all the photographers there.

1176
01:16:40,815 --> 01:16:41,783
So that was part of it.

1177
01:16:42,025 --> 01:16:44,427
Spin the Black Circle, Pearl Jam.

1178
01:16:47,822 --> 01:16:48,990
I hate to start off with a bang.

1179
01:16:49,282 --> 01:16:50,616
I'm gonna say something typically me

1180
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:52,585
on behalf of all of us.
I don't know what this means.

1181
01:16:52,994 --> 01:16:55,397
I don't think it means anything.

1182
01:16:59,167 --> 01:17:01,569
That's just how I feel.

1183
01:17:11,221 --> 01:17:12,789
I remember arguing with
tons of my friends,

1184
01:17:13,222 --> 01:17:14,390
because my friends were like,

1185
01:17:14,682 --> 01:17:15,917
"Man, what the fuck
was your boy doing?

1186
01:17:16,226 --> 01:17:17,327
"Like, if he doesn't want
to be there,

1187
01:17:17,602 --> 01:17:19,003
"then he shouldn't be there, "
and kind of all this stuff.

1188
01:17:19,354 --> 01:17:20,555
And I was kind of like,
"Fuck you, man."

1189
01:17:20,855 --> 01:17:22,390
Like, what does it mean, you know?

1190
01:17:22,774 --> 01:17:23,708
Like, are you fucking kidding me?

1191
01:17:23,941 --> 01:17:26,344
You get an award for art?
Like, that's just ridiculous.

1192
01:17:29,572 --> 01:17:31,941
Like, if I would have had the balls,
I would have said the same thing.

1193
01:17:39,875 --> 01:17:41,776
I should have started a fight
right there.

1194
01:17:42,251 --> 01:17:44,620
It would have been
much more exciting.

1195
01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:52,295
What would all these young people
be doing

1196
01:17:52,804 --> 01:17:55,207
if they had real problems
like a depression or Vietnam?

1197
01:17:56,725 --> 01:17:57,692
Do they work at all?

1198
01:17:57,934 --> 01:17:59,136
Are they contributing anything

1199
01:17:59,436 --> 01:18:01,838
to the world
they're taking so much from?

1200
01:18:21,916 --> 01:18:23,685
It was kind of around
the Ticketmaster tour.

1201
01:18:24,127 --> 01:18:26,529
The four of us, Jack, Stone,
Jeff, and I were traveling in a jet.

1202
01:18:29,174 --> 01:18:31,476
Eddie was traveling in a van,
doing a radio show,

1203
01:18:32,051 --> 01:18:34,454
and then driving all night
to the next show.

1204
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,349
So there was
a huge physical disconnect,

1205
01:18:37,766 --> 01:18:39,167
but also an emotional one.

1206
01:18:39,517 --> 01:18:41,319
And nobody was
kind of really talking.

1207
01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:43,438
He was trying to maintain something

1208
01:18:43,855 --> 01:18:46,257
that was more a Fugazi or
do-it-yourself type mentality.

1209
01:18:48,776 --> 01:18:51,179
You know, and we loved them,
but we weren't that band.

1210
01:18:54,115 --> 01:18:55,884
We needed to sit down
with him and go, "Look,

1211
01:18:56,326 --> 01:18:57,927
"are you embarrassed by us?

1212
01:18:58,327 --> 01:19:00,730
"Do you want to be
in the band anymore?"

1213
01:19:01,999 --> 01:19:04,101
We thought we were
going to break up essentially.

1214
01:19:04,626 --> 01:19:07,028
I thought... I thought
that was going to happen.

1215
01:19:12,134 --> 01:19:14,536
And we all agreed we needed to
take some time off and figure it out.

1216
01:19:19,682 --> 01:19:21,818
That's highway 200,
and we're like right...

1217
01:19:22,352 --> 01:19:24,454
We just passed Ovando.

1218
01:19:24,980 --> 01:19:26,915
We're headed towards Lincoln.

1219
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:28,967
And then we just keep going
to the northeast.

1220
01:19:29,359 --> 01:19:31,461
That's the spot right there,
Big Sandy.

1221
01:19:31,986 --> 01:19:34,155
That's your hometown?

1222
01:19:34,697 --> 01:19:37,099
This is the middle of nowhere, man.

1223
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:45,425
I was sort of pissed off
at my parents

1224
01:19:45,834 --> 01:19:48,236
for making me live in
this desolate...

1225
01:19:49,295 --> 01:19:51,164
I mean, I was hundreds of miles away

1226
01:19:51,631 --> 01:19:54,033
from anybody
that I could even relate to.

1227
01:19:59,097 --> 01:20:00,365
I was ready to leave at about 14.

1228
01:20:00,682 --> 01:20:01,749
A couple trips to California,

1229
01:20:02,016 --> 01:20:04,419
like, really fucked me up.

1230
01:20:07,564 --> 01:20:09,166
My mom's brother, my uncle Pat,

1231
01:20:09,566 --> 01:20:10,834
he had long hair,

1232
01:20:11,151 --> 01:20:13,219
and he had tapestries up in his room,

1233
01:20:13,736 --> 01:20:15,071
and he'd put the headphones on me,

1234
01:20:15,405 --> 01:20:17,007
and he'd play, like,
Abraxas by Santana,

1235
01:20:17,407 --> 01:20:19,809
and it would just blow my mind.

1236
01:20:22,329 --> 01:20:24,731
I remember just getting, like,
a huge buzz off of it, like,

1237
01:20:25,415 --> 01:20:27,817
and getting, like, kind of emotional.

1238
01:20:32,296 --> 01:20:33,731
And I would go out
and try to look for records.

1239
01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:36,459
It was really hard to find. There was
no record store in our town.

1240
01:20:37,051 --> 01:20:38,953
So I started subscribing to
Circus and Cream magazine,

1241
01:20:39,429 --> 01:20:41,298
and my uncle got
Rolling Stone magazine.

1242
01:20:41,765 --> 01:20:44,167
And I mean, you'd study that stuff.

1243
01:20:46,811 --> 01:20:49,214
In  a lot of those punk-rock records,
you could really hear bass, you know.

1244
01:20:49,815 --> 01:20:51,416
You could fucking hear Dee Dee
on those Ramones records.

1245
01:20:51,816 --> 01:20:53,685
You know, he was on the right side,
and Johnny was on the left side.

1246
01:20:54,152 --> 01:20:55,086
So if you were trying
to learn the songs,

1247
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,155
you could just turn the dial over
to the right side

1248
01:20:57,614 --> 01:21:00,016
and learn all of Dee Dee's parts.

1249
01:21:03,536 --> 01:21:05,038
I moved to Seattle in 1983,

1250
01:21:05,413 --> 01:21:07,214
and I think all I wanted to do
up to that point

1251
01:21:07,665 --> 01:21:08,666
was to live in a bigger city

1252
01:21:08,916 --> 01:21:11,219
where there was
more like-minded people

1253
01:21:11,795 --> 01:21:14,197
and more culture
and a punk-rock show,

1254
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,408
if I wanted to go see a cool movie.

1255
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:17,968
There were all these...
You know, "Eraserhead."

1256
01:21:18,260 --> 01:21:19,528
I was hearing about all these movies

1257
01:21:19,886 --> 01:21:22,255
that I never got a chance to see.

1258
01:21:26,476 --> 01:21:28,611
I don't know if it was
the first contact, it must have been,

1259
01:21:29,145 --> 01:21:31,448
was from Jeff,

1260
01:21:32,065 --> 01:21:34,434
and I do remember there being a...

1261
01:21:35,485 --> 01:21:37,253
A real connection made on the phone,

1262
01:21:37,695 --> 01:21:40,098
and talking about artwork,
how he was into artwork,

1263
01:21:41,323 --> 01:21:43,225
and your responsibilities
as a band member

1264
01:21:43,701 --> 01:21:46,104
or working with people that get
that it's not a slacker job,

1265
01:21:47,747 --> 01:21:50,116
or it's not a rock star thing,
or it's not...

1266
01:21:51,251 --> 01:21:52,752
it’s about music. it’s about art.

1267
01:21:53,127 --> 01:21:54,929
It’s about...
We had all these things in common,

1268
01:21:55,380 --> 01:21:57,782
which is probably why
we ended up roommates

1269
01:21:59,133 --> 01:22:00,601
when we first started touring.

1270
01:22:00,968 --> 01:22:03,371
I think that we just connected
and became really close.

1271
01:22:13,731 --> 01:22:16,134
It’s amazing now to look back.

1272
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:30,031
I remember when
Ed first came to town.

1273
01:22:30,456 --> 01:22:31,391
It seemed like it was something

1274
01:22:31,625 --> 01:22:33,627
that he had been kind of
waiting for his whole life,

1275
01:22:34,127 --> 01:22:35,528
and it was obvious
within the first few minutes

1276
01:22:35,878 --> 01:22:38,280
that it was something that
I'd been waiting for also.

1277
01:22:56,857 --> 01:22:58,226
I think it would be a very easy band

1278
01:22:58,568 --> 01:23:00,236
in some ways for us not to be a band,

1279
01:23:00,653 --> 01:23:02,555
and nobody can really kind of
put a finger on what it is

1280
01:23:03,031 --> 01:23:05,066
that, you know, kind of keeps us
coming back together,

1281
01:23:05,575 --> 01:23:07,978
but it's a strange marriage.

1282
01:23:20,798 --> 01:23:23,200
I met Mike McCready
when I was in seventh grade.

1283
01:23:24,177 --> 01:23:26,179
He was good.
You know, he played solos

1284
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,648
and had a whammy bar and, like,
could do the...

1285
01:23:29,140 --> 01:23:30,108
And all this stuff.

1286
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:31,718
I had lived in Los Angeles,

1287
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:34,095
trying to make it in my band
Shadow in 1986 for a year,

1288
01:23:34,603 --> 01:23:36,338
and I paid to play,
paid to play at The Roxy,

1289
01:23:36,772 --> 01:23:39,175
$700 on a Sunday night in December.
And there was five people there.

1290
01:23:45,115 --> 01:23:46,983
So I struggled and went through that,

1291
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:49,386
and I gave up
playing music for a little while,

1292
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:52,272
moved back to Seattle and said,
"I can't. I'm done."

1293
01:23:53,831 --> 01:23:56,234
And then, lo and behold, I get
a call out of the blue from Stone.

1294
01:23:56,918 --> 01:23:58,352
I got to see him play at a party
one night

1295
01:23:58,753 --> 01:24:00,087
when he was just sitting around

1296
01:24:00,421 --> 01:24:01,756
and playing lead guitar with somebody

1297
01:24:02,090 --> 01:24:04,459
and was just, in the way
that he does, unconsciously,

1298
01:24:05,051 --> 01:24:07,453
giving you these jolts.

1299
01:24:32,286 --> 01:24:34,455
He's channeling stuff
that sounds like

1300
01:24:34,997 --> 01:24:36,599
it's coming from the fucking heavens,

1301
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,602
but I think it's coming from inside.

1302
01:24:39,002 --> 01:24:41,404
There's something spiritual
about the way he plays.

1303
01:24:47,718 --> 01:24:50,121
And that's when he's in tune
with the good stuff, you know.

1304
01:25:02,858 --> 01:25:05,261
As you know, the song Reach Down,
which was the second song I wrote

1305
01:25:06,028 --> 01:25:07,463
for the Temple of the Dog record,

1306
01:25:07,822 --> 01:25:10,224
I wanted it to be sort of like
a Neil Young,

1307
01:25:11,701 --> 01:25:12,635
"Fuck you to the world of people

1308
01:25:12,868 --> 01:25:13,903
"who don't want to hear
a guitar solo.

1309
01:25:14,162 --> 01:25:16,564
"I'm gonna make an 1 1 or 1 2-minute
song that's mostly guitar solo,

1310
01:25:17,332 --> 01:25:18,433
"and that's gonna be
the first song on the album,

1311
01:25:18,708 --> 01:25:19,842
"and you can fuck off."

1312
01:25:20,126 --> 01:25:21,661
When I heard Cready play guitar,

1313
01:25:22,045 --> 01:25:23,747
I was like,
"We're gonna pull it off for real.

1314
01:25:24,172 --> 01:25:25,773
"This isn't gonna be a joke.
He can actually fucking play."

1315
01:25:26,173 --> 01:25:27,241
Because I couldn't.

1316
01:25:27,508 --> 01:25:29,643
He went out of his mind.

1317
01:25:30,177 --> 01:25:32,580
This guy's a...
he's a fucking rock star.

1318
01:25:33,515 --> 01:25:34,849
Like, he's got problems,

1319
01:25:35,182 --> 01:25:37,218
and we just thought
he was a nice little kid.

1320
01:25:37,727 --> 01:25:40,129
And he's got something in there,
like, he's infected,

1321
01:25:41,188 --> 01:25:43,591
and that's gonna come out
again somewhere. Good luck, guys.

1322
01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:46,728
He knows me. That's...

1323
01:25:47,195 --> 01:25:49,597
I would say that's 100 accurate.

1324
01:26:09,926 --> 01:26:12,195
Eddie said,
"Ask Mike about the drummers."

1325
01:26:12,762 --> 01:26:13,930
Ask me about the drummers?

1326
01:26:14,263 --> 01:26:16,632
Yeah. He says, "Mike will
give you the drummers rap."

1327
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:21,029
Here we go.

1328
01:26:21,521 --> 01:26:23,289
We started out with Dave Krusen.
It didn't work out.

1329
01:26:23,731 --> 01:26:25,500
Matt Chamberlain,
he didn't want to go on the road.

1330
01:26:25,942 --> 01:26:26,943
He knew of a drummer
named Dave Abbruzzese.

1331
01:26:27,193 --> 01:26:29,595
It’s very Spinal Tap of us
to have this many drummers.

1332
01:26:30,947 --> 01:26:31,914
Jack lrons.

1333
01:26:32,156 --> 01:26:33,324
- Good drummer.
- Great look. Good drummer.

1334
01:26:33,616 --> 01:26:35,985
Jack was the guy that gave the tape
that he got from Stone to Ed.

1335
01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:37,821
Ed wanted to repay that favor

1336
01:26:38,121 --> 01:26:39,589
and say, "Hey,
you want to come and try out?"

1337
01:26:39,956 --> 01:26:41,691
And we toured with him
after we did Yield,

1338
01:26:42,125 --> 01:26:43,093
and he played on that whole record.

1339
01:26:43,335 --> 01:26:45,437
That's when it was starting to
get too much for Jack.

1340
01:26:45,962 --> 01:26:47,463
He called up
and said that he couldn't tour.

1341
01:26:47,838 --> 01:26:48,773
We already had a tour booked.

1342
01:26:49,007 --> 01:26:51,409
Who can we call that can do that?
Matt Cameron.

1343
01:26:53,636 --> 01:26:54,971
Soundgarden had broken up,
so Ed called him.

1344
01:26:55,305 --> 01:26:56,373
Eddie, what's going on?

1345
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:57,841
And he's like, "Hey,
what are you doing this summer?"

1346
01:26:58,141 --> 01:26:59,209
Nothing.

1347
01:26:59,476 --> 01:27:00,944
We need to leave in three weeks.

1348
01:27:01,311 --> 01:27:03,713
- In  10 days, he learned 80 songs.
- They had a list of, like, 60 or 70.

1349
01:27:04,313 --> 01:27:05,247
Something crazy like that.

1350
01:27:05,481 --> 01:27:06,950
I would just sort of, like,
close my eyes,

1351
01:27:07,317 --> 01:27:08,518
and I'd go like that,
and it was like,

1352
01:27:08,818 --> 01:27:11,220
"Okay, do I know that song?"
it’s like, "No!"

1353
01:27:12,196 --> 01:27:14,599
Matt Cameron made us
a better band than we've ever been.

1354
01:27:21,456 --> 01:27:23,091
When we'd... We'd have to switch,

1355
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:25,101
let's say, a drummer or something,

1356
01:27:25,501 --> 01:27:26,836
you do it out of survival mode.

1357
01:27:27,170 --> 01:27:28,905
It’s just like removing an organ.

1358
01:27:29,338 --> 01:27:30,940
And when you remove,
like, the drummer,

1359
01:27:31,341 --> 01:27:32,976
you're removing, like, the heart.

1360
01:27:33,385 --> 01:27:35,787
So it's like
you had a heart transplant.

1361
01:27:53,028 --> 01:27:55,297
Binaural is a dark time for me
for sure,

1362
01:27:55,865 --> 01:27:57,200
because I had my Crohn's.
I have Crohn's disease.

1363
01:27:57,533 --> 01:27:58,734
I was struggling with that,

1364
01:27:59,035 --> 01:28:00,637
struggling with addiction.

1365
01:28:01,037 --> 01:28:03,306
I was taking pills
to take care of that,

1366
01:28:03,873 --> 01:28:05,608
and then that got out of hand.

1367
01:28:06,042 --> 01:28:08,444
For me, it was a struggle, for sure.

1368
01:28:11,881 --> 01:28:13,550
In  the early years,
we had those transcendent shows

1369
01:28:13,967 --> 01:28:15,768
where it was just like
everybody was drunk,

1370
01:28:16,218 --> 01:28:18,087
and it was just
the "lose your mind" shows.

1371
01:28:18,555 --> 01:28:19,890
Everybody lose your mind
at once, you know.

1372
01:28:20,223 --> 01:28:21,757
It was harder to lose your mind
at that point

1373
01:28:22,141 --> 01:28:24,344
because everyone was more like,
"I'm 32.

1374
01:28:24,936 --> 01:28:26,905
"You know,
we've got some records out.

1375
01:28:27,397 --> 01:28:29,399
"I've got this relationship,
or you know..."

1376
01:28:29,941 --> 01:28:31,109
We just became more self-conscious

1377
01:28:31,442 --> 01:28:33,744
and more aware as you do
as you're an adult,

1378
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,389
but it's more difficult
to kind of go, "Okay.

1379
01:28:36,948 --> 01:28:39,317
"We got to just go out
and get crazy."

1380
01:28:41,745 --> 01:28:43,613
And around this time,
I think we were...

1381
01:28:44,122 --> 01:28:45,690
You know, we were less popular.

1382
01:28:46,123 --> 01:28:47,691
I don't think
we were doing any press.

1383
01:28:48,126 --> 01:28:49,427
We'd have meetings
about those things.

1384
01:28:49,752 --> 01:28:51,654
It’s like, "How far are we
gonna do press on this tour?

1385
01:28:52,130 --> 01:28:53,465
"Are we gonna do this?
Are we gonna do that?

1386
01:28:53,798 --> 01:28:55,232
"Or are we not going to
do any of it?"

1387
01:28:55,591 --> 01:28:57,994
And when you don't do any of it
and the changing times,

1388
01:28:58,595 --> 01:29:00,997
you know, you fluctuate,
people get over you, you know.

1389
01:29:01,597 --> 01:29:03,866
That's probably around that time
Binaural is.

1390
01:29:04,433 --> 01:29:06,335
Maybe people were like, "Okay.
We're kind of over these guys.

1391
01:29:06,811 --> 01:29:09,180
"What's next?" you know.

1392
01:29:15,152 --> 01:29:17,121
But some people stayed with us

1393
01:29:17,613 --> 01:29:20,015
because we stayed true
to whatever our vision was.

1394
01:29:27,206 --> 01:29:29,609
How important
is commercial success to you?

1395
01:29:31,252 --> 01:29:33,654
Does grunge still exist today?

1396
01:29:51,147 --> 01:29:53,549
How did the second 10 years happen?

1397
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,362
You did survive.

1398
01:29:57,862 --> 01:30:00,264
And what are the turning points
to you?

1399
01:30:03,033 --> 01:30:04,902
Change your position. Moving back.

1400
01:30:05,370 --> 01:30:07,772
We still have a problem here.

1401
01:30:08,372 --> 01:30:10,675
It’s one of Europe's
worst concert tragedies.

1402
01:30:11,251 --> 01:30:12,519
The band had stopped playing
just before the incident.

1403
01:30:12,836 --> 01:30:15,238
Deadly trouble in the shape of
a crowd 40,000 to 50,000 strong.

1404
01:30:17,757 --> 01:30:20,159
There has been a lot
of pushing and pressure up here,

1405
01:30:20,885 --> 01:30:23,288
and 10 to 15 people
have been badly hurt.

1406
01:30:24,222 --> 01:30:25,957
We don't know how bad yet.

1407
01:30:26,391 --> 01:30:28,092
Tragedy occurred in the rain and mud

1408
01:30:28,517 --> 01:30:30,920
late Friday night at the annual
"Roskilde Rock Festival"

1409
01:30:32,230 --> 01:30:34,065
outside the Danish capital,
Copenhagen,

1410
01:30:34,523 --> 01:30:36,926
when rock fans surged forward
during a performance

1411
01:30:38,236 --> 01:30:40,638
by the American group Pearl Jam.

1412
01:30:47,036 --> 01:30:48,538
Fans at the outdoor rock concert

1413
01:30:48,913 --> 01:30:50,281
packed closer and closer
to the stage,

1414
01:30:50,623 --> 01:30:53,025
ending in a crush that killed
nine people and injured three more.

1415
01:30:58,881 --> 01:31:01,284
I just wanted to get out of there.

1416
01:31:02,302 --> 01:31:04,671
I just didn't want it to be true.

1417
01:31:06,138 --> 01:31:07,273
It was happening
right in front of us,

1418
01:31:07,557 --> 01:31:09,959
but I just didn't want it to be true.

1419
01:31:17,901 --> 01:31:20,303
And something as horrific
and as shocking

1420
01:31:22,572 --> 01:31:23,940
as people being pulled
over the barricade

1421
01:31:24,282 --> 01:31:25,583
that aren't alive anymore,

1422
01:31:25,908 --> 01:31:28,310
what the impact of that was on us

1423
01:31:29,037 --> 01:31:31,439
is, you know,
it will never really go away.

1424
01:31:32,916 --> 01:31:35,318
From that point on,
we rethought everything.

1425
01:31:44,593 --> 01:31:45,961
I didn't know what I was feeling,
you know.

1426
01:31:46,303 --> 01:31:48,706
I think I had such an onslaught
of confusion that...

1427
01:31:50,850 --> 01:31:52,385
I mean,
the last time that I felt like that

1428
01:31:52,768 --> 01:31:54,136
was when Andy Wood died, and...

1429
01:31:54,478 --> 01:31:56,881
I didn't know if I wanted
to play music anymore.

1430
01:32:25,343 --> 01:32:27,445
You know, I think we kind of quantify
everything that's happened to us

1431
01:32:27,971 --> 01:32:30,373
as pre "Roskilde"
and after "Roskilde, " and...

1432
01:32:34,352 --> 01:32:36,754
You know, if early on there was
the birth or the beginning of "No, "

1433
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:41,592
for us Roskilde was
the beginning of "What?"

1434
01:32:43,611 --> 01:32:45,246
What are we doing?

1435
01:32:45,654 --> 01:32:48,057
What do we do to assist the families?

1436
01:32:49,242 --> 01:32:50,810
And what have we become?

1437
01:32:51,202 --> 01:32:53,604
And what do we...
What do we do to survive?

1438
01:32:57,542 --> 01:32:59,944
I think even since Roskilde in 2000,

1439
01:33:01,671 --> 01:33:04,073
I think that made everybody get
into a real unique perspective

1440
01:33:05,883 --> 01:33:08,285
on where we were at
and how fragile life is,

1441
01:33:09,804 --> 01:33:11,205
and I think ever since then,
every once in a while,

1442
01:33:11,556 --> 01:33:13,958
we'll just say to one another,
like, "Can you believe it?

1443
01:33:14,851 --> 01:33:17,253
"Can you believe
we're still doing this?"

1444
01:33:23,026 --> 01:33:25,061
When I interviewed the band in 1993

1445
01:33:25,569 --> 01:33:27,972
for Rolling Stone magazine,
I asked Eddie Vedder

1446
01:33:28,573 --> 01:33:29,740
if there was an Andy Wood song

1447
01:33:30,032 --> 01:33:31,868
he would ever
be interested in singing.

1448
01:33:32,327 --> 01:33:34,729
He said there was one
and one day he would sing it.

1449
01:33:37,664 --> 01:33:40,033
On the band's 10th anniversary
show in Las Vegas,

1450
01:33:41,086 --> 01:33:43,488
he announced to the group that
he wanted to sing Crown of Thorns,

1451
01:33:44,254 --> 01:33:46,490
one of Mother Love Bone's
greatest songs.

1452
01:33:47,049 --> 01:33:49,451
And in that moment,
the two bands united.

1453
01:33:52,138 --> 01:33:53,839
We wouldn't...

1454
01:33:54,264 --> 01:33:56,667
We wouldn't mind attempting something

1455
01:33:57,268 --> 01:33:59,670
that's even older than 10 years.

1456
01:34:37,474 --> 01:34:39,877
For Ed to kind of
acknowledge the past and sort of say,

1457
01:34:40,644 --> 01:34:41,812
"Yeah, this is part of
where we came from, "

1458
01:34:42,104 --> 01:34:44,306
and that he would be generous to Jeff
and I and say, "Yeah, of course."

1459
01:34:44,857 --> 01:34:47,260
That was another huge, huge gift.

1460
01:34:53,324 --> 01:34:55,492
I used to think of Andy all the time,

1461
01:34:56,034 --> 01:34:57,636
especially when the band got bigger,

1462
01:34:58,037 --> 01:34:59,405
because I used to think,

1463
01:34:59,747 --> 01:35:01,816
"He would have loved
to play this place.

1464
01:35:02,333 --> 01:35:03,934
"He would have loved
to play this place.

1465
01:35:04,334 --> 01:35:06,737
"He'd love to play The Garden."

1466
01:35:07,588 --> 01:35:09,990
He would have tore this shit up.

1467
01:36:00,892 --> 01:36:02,727
And I wrote down on this paper
"Andy and Ed, "

1468
01:36:03,186 --> 01:36:04,954
just because I think about Andy
all the time,

1469
01:36:05,396 --> 01:36:06,864
and in the creative process,
I always think about

1470
01:36:07,231 --> 01:36:09,600
how lucky I am to still be able
to, like, you know,

1471
01:36:10,192 --> 01:36:12,595
go in my basement or, like, pick up
a guitar and, like, write a song

1472
01:36:13,487 --> 01:36:14,722
and then manifest it if I want,

1473
01:36:15,031 --> 01:36:17,433
figure out how to, like,
record it or whatever, and that...

1474
01:36:18,534 --> 01:36:20,336
That's kind of all he ever hoped for,

1475
01:36:20,787 --> 01:36:22,355
is just somebody
that would just record him

1476
01:36:22,747 --> 01:36:24,348
and, like, some group of guys
that would just, you know,

1477
01:36:24,748 --> 01:36:27,151
play these songs for him
or whatever, and l...

1478
01:36:28,294 --> 01:36:30,696
I wish that we could go back in time
and be the band for him.

1479
01:36:55,904 --> 01:36:58,307
He was playing in those places
in his head...

1480
01:37:01,744 --> 01:37:02,811
for a long time.

1481
01:37:03,078 --> 01:37:05,481
So the thing is,
is he got to play them.

1482
01:37:17,468 --> 01:37:19,870
Andy.

1483
01:37:51,836 --> 01:37:53,071
We played a show in Nassau.

1484
01:37:53,379 --> 01:37:55,481
I would say three-quarters
of the crowd fucking booed us.

1485
01:37:56,007 --> 01:37:58,009
It actually really bummed
some of the band out.

1486
01:37:58,509 --> 01:38:00,911
They were just, like, "I never
want to play that song again."

1487
01:38:02,679 --> 01:38:05,082
I actually fucking dug it.
It was art.

1488
01:38:12,648 --> 01:38:14,617
I remember there was
a fireman in the front row,

1489
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:16,410
and he was, like,
showing me his badge.

1490
01:38:16,736 --> 01:38:18,705
Fuck you, asshole!

1491
01:38:19,197 --> 01:38:21,065
It was just a bad time
in American history in my mind,

1492
01:38:21,532 --> 01:38:23,935
and we were trying to say
what we thought.

1493
01:38:28,998 --> 01:38:30,900
When you know the crowd has turned

1494
01:38:31,376 --> 01:38:32,577
and there are that many people,

1495
01:38:32,877 --> 01:38:35,279
it just feels like you might not
make it out of there alive.

1496
01:38:41,719 --> 01:38:43,387
That was Ed
really trusting his instincts

1497
01:38:43,804 --> 01:38:46,206
about a very specific thing
that he needed to say,

1498
01:38:46,974 --> 01:38:49,376
and he wanted to do it in a way
that was antagonistic.

1499
01:38:55,233 --> 01:38:57,101
I think if you have the opportunity,

1500
01:38:57,568 --> 01:38:59,970
you have to... You have to
take on that responsibility.

1501
01:39:30,434 --> 01:39:32,569
You didn't like that one.

1502
01:39:33,103 --> 01:39:35,039
It’s great to be in a band

1503
01:39:35,523 --> 01:39:37,058
where, you know,
we're not afraid to do that,

1504
01:39:37,442 --> 01:39:39,711
not afraid to speak our minds

1505
01:39:40,278 --> 01:39:42,680
and get booed once in a while.
It's all right.

1506
01:39:46,242 --> 01:39:47,810
It was an uncertain time
for Pearl Jam,

1507
01:39:48,202 --> 01:39:50,605
a period when many bands
quietly break up and move on.

1508
01:39:51,413 --> 01:39:52,915
But from the beginning,
Stone and Jeff

1509
01:39:53,291 --> 01:39:54,759
had always wanted a band
that would last,

1510
01:39:55,126 --> 01:39:57,395
one that would keep writing
and recording music,

1511
01:39:58,003 --> 01:40:00,372
and that's what Pearl Jam did.

1512
01:40:00,964 --> 01:40:02,966
Show by show, they became

1513
01:40:03,467 --> 01:40:05,870
one of the most dependably
unpredictable bands in rock.

1514
01:40:08,848 --> 01:40:11,250
Ed has a feeling pretty
much everywhere that we play,

1515
01:40:13,186 --> 01:40:14,654
and it's such a great gauge of,
you know,

1516
01:40:15,021 --> 01:40:17,023
how the crowd's feeling,
and that's, a lot of times,

1517
01:40:17,523 --> 01:40:18,958
why the set list
doesn't get done until...

1518
01:40:19,317 --> 01:40:21,719
I mean, oftentimes, it's done
10 minutes before we play.

1519
01:40:22,862 --> 01:40:24,697
As difficult as it was
at different times,

1520
01:40:25,156 --> 01:40:27,559
where you're like, "We can
go out and kill this crowd.

1521
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:29,460
"We can go out
and kill them right now.

1522
01:40:29,786 --> 01:40:31,154
"Let's just start out
with these five songs."

1523
01:40:31,496 --> 01:40:33,865
And you know...
"Yeah. No. We're gonna go on,

1524
01:40:34,457 --> 01:40:36,859
"we're gonna play this one
to start out with."

1525
01:40:40,046 --> 01:40:42,015
"We haven't played
this one together, but let's...

1526
01:40:42,507 --> 01:40:44,409
"We'll work it out backstage.
It'll be fine."

1527
01:40:44,884 --> 01:40:46,352
And inevitably, you're so nervous

1528
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:47,786
that you go out there and fumble it,

1529
01:40:48,053 --> 01:40:49,755
and then you're like,
"God! Let me just...

1530
01:40:50,181 --> 01:40:52,584
"Let's play a hit, you know."

1531
01:40:57,354 --> 01:40:59,757
You know, it would be a lot easier
to play a similar set every night.

1532
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:02,401
It would just be so much easier,

1533
01:41:02,902 --> 01:41:05,304
and yet we can't find it
in ourselves to do that.

1534
01:41:17,751 --> 01:41:19,886
That's why you see Pearl Jam.

1535
01:41:20,419 --> 01:41:22,288
It’s fucking different every night.

1536
01:41:22,756 --> 01:41:25,158
Every night it's different.

1537
01:41:28,261 --> 01:41:30,530
It’s funny, but lots
of those decisions we made,

1538
01:41:31,097 --> 01:41:33,232
it took 10 years to see
why they were good.

1539
01:41:33,766 --> 01:41:34,934
In  that regard, you know,

1540
01:41:35,226 --> 01:41:36,594
mixing our set list up every night,

1541
01:41:36,936 --> 01:41:38,271
it's the greatest blessing
we could have ever done.

1542
01:41:38,646 --> 01:41:41,015
The door is so open for us
to be who we are every night

1543
01:41:42,942 --> 01:41:45,344
that we just trust it.

1544
01:42:00,209 --> 01:42:01,744
You know, I think that all of us

1545
01:42:02,128 --> 01:42:03,462
have been totally influenced
by the seventies.

1546
01:42:03,796 --> 01:42:05,698
We're all, like, products of it,
but yet we're not, like, stuck in it.

1547
01:42:06,173 --> 01:42:08,576
Our classic guitar heroes,
you know, like Hendrix for Mike

1548
01:42:09,468 --> 01:42:10,603
and, like, Jimmy Page for me,

1549
01:42:10,887 --> 01:42:12,789
and, like, for Eddie, it's like
he totally loved The Who.

1550
01:42:13,264 --> 01:42:14,632
The Who was
the greatest rock band ever.

1551
01:42:14,974 --> 01:42:16,575
It's like all these bands,
so in a sense,

1552
01:42:16,976 --> 01:42:19,379
it's a total tribute
to the seventies.

1553
01:42:42,043 --> 01:42:44,412
Roger Daltrey wrote me a letter
saying would I like to come play,

1554
01:42:45,504 --> 01:42:47,906
and I told him no way,
because that's it.

1555
01:42:48,716 --> 01:42:50,418
That's the ultimate.
That's the pinnacle for me,

1556
01:42:50,843 --> 01:42:51,911
is that band, you know,

1557
01:42:52,178 --> 01:42:54,580
that arrow on the mod sign, you know.

1558
01:42:56,014 --> 01:42:58,417
We have to decide whether or not
we're going to remain a circus act.

1559
01:43:00,687 --> 01:43:02,121
In  other words, doing what everybody

1560
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:04,882
knows we can do and what
we know we can do. Right?

1561
01:43:06,067 --> 01:43:08,469
Until the band eventually
turns into a cabaret act,

1562
01:43:09,278 --> 01:43:11,080
- which is inevitable.
- No, that's ridiculous!

1563
01:43:11,531 --> 01:43:13,666
Here's me and Johnny Ramone.
I'm wearing a Bob Dole mask.

1564
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:15,067
Uncle Neil.

1565
01:43:15,284 --> 01:43:16,919
This is me and Joe Strummer.

1566
01:43:17,328 --> 01:43:18,729
And that's the night I met
Jack lrons.

1567
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:20,214
This was hanging in a dressing room.

1568
01:43:20,498 --> 01:43:22,667
It was actually the first night
I had met Pete.

1569
01:43:23,209 --> 01:43:24,210
I was terrified.

1570
01:43:24,461 --> 01:43:26,229
And the first thing he said was,

1571
01:43:26,671 --> 01:43:29,073
"I've waited so long to meet you."

1572
01:43:42,853 --> 01:43:45,256
Now we're just grateful
for our band and who we are

1573
01:43:46,232 --> 01:43:48,401
and what we've become,

1574
01:43:48,943 --> 01:43:51,345
and grateful that we finally
figured out how to do it.

1575
01:43:54,073 --> 01:43:55,341
I think that there was a huge element

1576
01:43:55,658 --> 01:43:57,927
of our fans
that just kind of carried us

1577
01:43:58,494 --> 01:44:00,896
through a period of time where
we were not there all the way.

1578
01:44:02,164 --> 01:44:04,366
You see their belief,
and even when you don't have it,

1579
01:44:04,917 --> 01:44:07,320
you go,
"Okay. I've got to figure this out."

1580
01:44:12,090 --> 01:44:14,259
Joining the band,
I was super impressed

1581
01:44:14,802 --> 01:44:16,204
with how in-house everything is.

1582
01:44:16,554 --> 01:44:18,956
Like, there's no outside
influence going on, you know.

1583
01:44:19,932 --> 01:44:21,534
It's like it all comes from the band.

1584
01:44:21,934 --> 01:44:24,336
They saved me in a certain way.

1585
01:44:37,283 --> 01:44:39,685
You know, we've been doing it
for 10 records or 20 years,

1586
01:44:40,953 --> 01:44:42,655
and I can't think of a show
where I ever felt

1587
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,482
like I was just phoning it in.

1588
01:44:46,125 --> 01:44:48,527
It’s always pure stoke,
you know, like...

1589
01:44:55,968 --> 01:44:58,070
I think that there really is, like,

1590
01:44:58,595 --> 01:45:00,998
a collective understanding
of how lucky and how fortunate we are

1591
01:45:02,975 --> 01:45:04,843
to still be playing music
with the same group of people.

1592
01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:06,645
I mean, everybody, you can feel it,

1593
01:45:06,979 --> 01:45:09,381
and it makes being in a band a joy.

1594
01:45:30,628 --> 01:45:33,030
There's a... This communal exchange.

1595
01:45:34,465 --> 01:45:35,966
And there's obviously a line drawn

1596
01:45:36,342 --> 01:45:37,944
between who's on stage
and who's in the crowd,

1597
01:45:38,344 --> 01:45:40,746
but not really.

1598
01:48:28,805 --> 01:48:30,974
I fucking loved it.
We were two rows from the front.

1599
01:48:31,517 --> 01:48:32,819
It was fucking incredible.

1600
01:48:33,144 --> 01:48:34,512
- This was my fifth show.
- 24.

1601
01:48:34,854 --> 01:48:36,155
- 61.
- 54.

1602
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:38,882
153.

1603
01:48:40,943 --> 01:48:42,211
Pearl Jam are a band for the fans.

1604
01:48:42,528 --> 01:48:44,130
"If you love us, stick with us, "

1605
01:48:44,530 --> 01:48:45,697
and we've stuck with them
all the way,

1606
01:48:45,989 --> 01:48:48,025
because what we get out of them
is overwhelming.

1607
01:48:48,534 --> 01:48:50,236
These guys flew
from Bucharest this morning.

1608
01:48:50,703 --> 01:48:51,570
Budapest.

1609
01:48:51,787 --> 01:48:52,788
We came from Denver.

1610
01:48:53,038 --> 01:48:54,140
- Townsville, Australia.
- London, England.

1611
01:48:54,415 --> 01:48:55,449
Took two weeks off from my job,

1612
01:48:55,708 --> 01:48:58,077
and traveled to nine shows in a row
last tour.

1613
01:49:07,387 --> 01:49:08,955
There's not another band like them.

1614
01:49:09,388 --> 01:49:11,123
Everybody rode the whole
crest of a wave with Ten,

1615
01:49:11,557 --> 01:49:13,125
and it was just the thing to be into,

1616
01:49:13,517 --> 01:49:14,886
but after that, they've
come out a lot stronger,

1617
01:49:15,228 --> 01:49:16,128
because they didn't play the game.

1618
01:49:16,353 --> 01:49:18,289
They took on Ticketmaster.
They were pissed off

1619
01:49:18,773 --> 01:49:19,640
that people were getting ripped off,

1620
01:49:19,899 --> 01:49:20,666
and they took on the man,

1621
01:49:20,858 --> 01:49:23,260
and they could have lost,
but they didn't.

1622
01:49:25,779 --> 01:49:28,182
I think this band
is really only beginning.

1623
01:53:48,542 --> 01:53:49,410
There was a rumor

1624
01:53:49,627 --> 01:53:50,928
that it was sort of gonna be
like The Kids Are Alright.

1625
01:53:51,253 --> 01:53:53,656
That would be a misconception,
because The Kids Are Alright

1626
01:53:54,882 --> 01:53:56,851
is really super genius,

1627
01:53:57,343 --> 01:53:59,745
and what we're gonna put out
is gonna be really super us.

1628
01:54:07,644 --> 01:54:10,047
Hey, Josh. How's it going?

1629
01:54:11,565 --> 01:54:13,967
Fuck you, Kevin.

1630
01:54:17,780 --> 01:54:19,248
They stay true to fans as well,

1631
01:54:19,615 --> 01:54:20,883
about them releasing
the bootlegs of their albums

1632
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,368
so that other people can't bootleg
them and make a sly penny off it,

1633
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:26,313
and that's clever shit.

1634
01:54:41,762 --> 01:54:43,598
We're not filming 
this conversation, are we?

1635
01:54:44,057 --> 01:54:46,459
Yes, we are.

1636
01:55:09,039 --> 01:55:11,442
Now you're back.
Why do you keep doing it?

1637
01:55:32,104 --> 01:55:34,940
I don't know whether they realize exactly
how much they have given to us, the fans,

1638
01:55:36,024 --> 01:55:38,326
...and how much we really appreciate.