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I really thought what I would do

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if I ever learned to draw properly

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was I would try to
change the world.

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Is this thing working?

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Right now, Ralph, what
exactly are we doing here?

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It's a very odd
idea to make a movie,

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a film, a documentary,

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about an artist, say me.

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And in one way it's
rather a good idea,

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and in another way you
wonder why one is doing it.

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Except that it's become

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far more personal as it's developed

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into something which really
is about my work and about me.

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And I think that makes
it more interesting

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because it takes in
the good and the bad.

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It takes in all
sides, all dimensions.

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It's almost, when you
come down to see us,

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we know what we're going to do, even
though we haven't planned anything.

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We just simply carry on
and if something comes out,

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something does, and
sometimes it doesn't.

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And so that seems to me

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the kind of thing that's
made this all worthwhile.

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I haven't seen Ralph since the
signing of Hunter's memorial poster.

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It's been a while, and I've
really been looking forward

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to catching up with him in
his studio at Loose Court.

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Right.

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I'm gonna put a piece
of paper down here.

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I don't know why. I think it's
because you're in the room.

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If you weren't here,
I'd be having a lie-down now.

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Are you ready for this?

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'Cause it might not be very
good, but it might be great, too.

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I love it.

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When I don't know what to do,

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I do that.

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It's a kind of cheat, in a
way, because you don't know

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whether you did it because

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you can't do anything and
there is nothing in your mind,

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or you did it because it
might just lead somewhere.

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It's fantastic when that happens.

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I can see a horse in there already.

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I didn't know what it was

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and then I suddenly
thought, "I know what it is."

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It's an unloved pet,

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and it's a shame that
I drew it, really,

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because I don't like it.

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It's a horrible-looking creature.

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And if it walked into the
living room, I'd kick it out.

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And it's a frame of mind.

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All I've done is made something

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that's part of a frame of mind
I might be in at the moment.

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What a terrible thing.

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It was 1969 when my
first book was published.

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It was a collected works

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of all my cartoons that I had done
since I had taken it seriously.

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That's absolutely amazing.

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This was the beginning,
really, the conducted tour,

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and the whole idea of
it being The Pioneers,

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it's like you're going, you know,
we're going off on a conducted tour

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and everything's comfortable.

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And they'd just get off the bus,
look around and get back on again.

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And then I thought of this
when they brought Muzak in.

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So I did the picture called
Down at the Old Bull and Bush.

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And there's the old
boy with his pint

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and then all this Muzak
coming out of the speaker.

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Because it was really only just
getting going, all this stuff.

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Part of my idea of humor

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was it would be slightly maniacal.

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But there was an arrogance missing.

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There was a wildness missing.

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There was a rawness missing.

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It lacked that bite I needed,
that real ferocious bite,

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the thing that would
make it noticeable.

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Still as relevant
today as it was then.

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Great. Amazing. Just incredible.

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The reason I learned to draw

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wasn't just to be able to draw
and people say, "That's pretty,"

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but that I needed to apply
it as a weapon almost.

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It was something quite savage.

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People would see the work

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and they would think about it.

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In a way, it was a
wonderful calling card.

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I took it with me to America.

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And that was 1970.

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Bus for New York City.

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Hey, driver, hold up.
I'm trying to get on.

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Hold up, man.

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All right. Thanks a lot.

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My idea was actually to do a
thousand pictures of New York.

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Well...

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What I was looking for
were things to draw.

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New York, skyscrapers
and everything.

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It's God's own city, man.

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Hey, what's up, man?
Hey, you look fine.

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What you trying to make
yourself five bucks for, bro?

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Yeah. Hey, hey.

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Just run across, man. Just run
across the street. Come on, man.

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What it does for me,

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it freezes a moment,

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that when I look back on it,

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I think, "Goodness me.
Did that really happen?"

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You know, it's just something

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that is frozen in time
and it's gonna change.

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Nothing stays the same.

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I found it upsetting seeing all these
vagrant people wandering the streets

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and always staggering towards you

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and grabbing you by the hand.

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And saying, "Give us a dime, buddy.
This is a tough city to get started in."

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It's hopeless. I could never do it.

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Yeah.

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And I wanted to capture
that sort of look, that face.

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I was drawn towards skid row,
I was drawn towards it

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as a sort of almost a museum
of misery and deprivation.

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And I think this is
a picture of a bum,

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and he's hanging
onto a fire hydrant,

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and there's a woman saying, "Why don't
you get up and get yourself a job?"

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You know, that sort of thing.

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"You're lyin' about on the
pavement doin' nothin'."

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"Leave me alone,
lady. Leave me alone."

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I think my experience in New York

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gave me the conviction
that I needed

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to make this the work of my life.

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I needed it to reassure myself
that I wasn't wasting my time.

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Cartooning meant more to me
than just doing funny pictures.

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It meant to change
things for the better.

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While I was in New York,

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I got a phone call.

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Hello?

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To go and meet an ex-Hells
Angel who just shaved his head,

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Hunter S. Thompson.

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Hunter, he always called you
in the middle of the night.

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It was always 3:00, 4:00 in the
morning. You knew it was Hunter.

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He said, "God damn it." He
always said, "God damn it."

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"Gotta go to the Kentucky Derby." Well,
it was, like, Wednesday or Thursday.

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Kentucky Derby was Saturday.

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I was like, "Well, okay, you wanna
go to the Kentucky Derby, we'll go."

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He says, "Well, a photographer?"
I said, "We'll find somebody."

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So, it was short notice, so I
thought of this guy Ralph Steadman,

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who was a British cartoonist
whose work I'd seen many times,

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very evil-minded,
twisted kind of guy.

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And so we dragged him to Kentucky

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and they ended up going through this
haze of alcohol and drugs, madness,

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and so they became part
of the story themselves.

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The next day was heavy.

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With 30 hours to post time,
I had no press credentials,

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and according to the sports editor
of the Louisville Courier-Journal,

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no hope at all of getting any.

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Worse, I needed two sets.

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One for myself and
another for Ralph Steadman,

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the English illustrator who was
coming all the way from London

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to do some derby drawings.

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All I knew about him was that this was
his first visit to the United States,

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and the more I pondered that
fact, the more it gave me fear.

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Would he bear up under
the heinous culture shock

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of being lifted out of London

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and plunged into a drunken mob
scene at the Kentucky Derby?

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We had to find each
other, as it were.

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Oh, God. Where is he?

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Eventually, I heard this
voice behind me saying,

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"Excuse me.

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"Are you... Are
you Ralph Steadman?"

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He said, "Would you like a drink?"

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Anyway, we went on
this binge for a week.

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I was making notes and drawing.

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Hunter said, "It's a filthy habit you've
got there, scribbling dark pictures.

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"And around these
parts that's an insult."

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He said, "I've got a horrible feeling
we're gonna have to get out of here."

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From that point on, the weekend
became a vicious drunken nightmare.

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We both went completely to pieces,

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and since poor Steadman had no
choice but to take what came his way,

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he was subjected to
shock after shock.

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We sort of went along
with whatever happened,

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and we'd made that agreement

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with ourselves, you
know, between each other.

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"That's what we do. We just
go and see what happens."

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"I'll do the drawings,
you write," you know?

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So that became the
beginning of Gonzo.

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Now, looking down
from the press box,

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I pointed to the huge grassy
meadow enclosed by the track.

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"That whole thing," I said,
"will be jammed with people,

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"50,000 or so, most of
them staggering drunk.

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"It's a fantastic scene,
thousands of people fainting,

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"crying, copulating, trampling each other
and fighting with broken whiskey bottles."

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I think what he saw,

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in our connection, was
somebody that somehow

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saw the thing in pictures as
he saw it in words, you know.

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And that seemed to me to be part
of the whole chemistry of it,

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that our chemistry there
made Gonzo possible.

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"What I'm trying to
find," he said, Hunter,

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"is a certain kind of Kentucky face,
the face of the Kentucky Derby."

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And the point is that
by the end of the week,

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the very face we were looking for

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was us looking back at
ourselves in the mirror.

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- I don't recognize anyone anymore.
- Yeah.

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What I in fact had done,
without realizing it,

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- was scored a bull's-eye
first time... - Yeah.

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on my first visit to America.

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I mean, I met up with the one man
I needed to meet in all the world,

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- in the whole of America, to work with.
- Yeah.

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I got very depressed when I got
back on the plane to England,

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because I was going
to have to go back

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to a completely
conventional cartoon job.

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And that really didn't
fill me with much happiness.

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Let's go, Beanie.

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Now, take it easy.

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A bit... Ever so free.

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A phone call came
and it was Hunter.

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"Ralph, I've got this manuscript.

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"Could you do us a dozen drawings
of something that could go with it?"

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"Well," I said, "I'll try."

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And I just set about it.

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Got myself some booze as well,

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'cause I seemed to need to be
a bit drunk to do it, you know.

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I did about a dozen drawings,

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rolled them up in a
tube and sent them off.

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"We were somewhere around
Barstow on the edge of the desert

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"when the drugs began to take hold.

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"I remember saying something like,

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"'I feel a bit light-headed.
Maybe you should drive.'

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"And suddenly there was a
terrible roar all around us

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"and the sky was full of
what looked like huge bats,

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"all swooping and screeching
and diving around the car,

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"which was going about
100 miles an hour

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"with the top down to Las Vegas."

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When Fear and Loathing
in Las Vegas came out,

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I think people were stunned by it.

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I mean, nobody had really
seen anything like that.

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It was a full-out celebration of
the most outrageous kind of behavior,

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and then it was so...

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Funny and dangerous
and eccentric and wild.

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Looks like it's gonna be a
classic of 20th century literature.

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So you're down on the main
floor playing blackjack

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and the stakes are getting high.

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When suddenly you chance to look up

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and there, right
smack above your head,

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is a half-naked 14-year-old girl

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being chased through the
air by a snarling Wolverine,

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which is suddenly locked in a death
battle with two silver-painted Polacks,

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who come swinging down
from opposite balconies

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and meet in mid-air on
the wolverine's neck.

240
00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,993
And no one had seen
anything like this before,

241
00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,997
certainly not in
American illustration.

242
00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:20,541
And the pictures really
weren't about the story,

243
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,628
but they were a
reflection of the story,

244
00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:26,757
of what was in Hunter's mind.

245
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:38,777
The casino scene, with all
the lizards, the hitchhiker...

246
00:24:39,103 --> 00:24:43,231
I mean, those things just
have a life of their own,

247
00:24:43,232 --> 00:24:46,234
because they're accompanied
by all this literature with it

248
00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:49,821
and whole stories that
go with each illustration,

249
00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:54,075
or illustrations to
go with each story,

250
00:24:54,076 --> 00:24:57,170
depending on which
point of view you take.

251
00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:04,252
I wanted to get it
out of my system.

252
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:08,214
It was something that was just
lying there waiting to erupt.

253
00:25:08,215 --> 00:25:10,433
So it was a bit like being sick.

254
00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:17,140
I threw the pictures down

255
00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:20,393
and they worked because they
were about something specific,

256
00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:24,939
but they allowed me a
complete freedom to do...

257
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,737
it was as though I was there.

258
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,123
Are we marking?

259
00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:40,163
Do you feel like your lack
of drug-taking ever affected,

260
00:25:40,164 --> 00:25:42,331
had an effect on your
relationship with Hunter?

261
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,625
No, no, in fact, it
was better that way.

262
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:47,378
It was better that we
were like chalk and cheese.

263
00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:52,476
I mean, the whole idea of me being
like him would have been ridiculous.

264
00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,053
Hunter, it's me!

265
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,473
Because he was someone
entirely different.

266
00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:01,434
We didn't necessarily
see eye to eye.

267
00:26:01,435 --> 00:26:06,189
We had entirely different
experiences of life.

268
00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:11,947
And to him I was weird,
and to me he was weird.

269
00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:15,115
Nice to see you.

270
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:28,962
Can I get some water?

271
00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:32,970
- Right, you ready?
- Okay.

272
00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:37,011
I like that.

273
00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:39,430
- Did you get that?
- Great.

274
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,725
Oh, dear. I like that one.

275
00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:44,769
Well, this is cartridge paper.

276
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,980
It's a good-quality, very
thick cartridge paper.

277
00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:51,234
And this is Indian ink.

278
00:26:51,902 --> 00:26:53,277
I like a brush...

279
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,655
For that kind of a stroke,

280
00:26:55,656 --> 00:26:58,616
I couldn't have done it
with this one, for instance,

281
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,744
which is less weight.

282
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:05,414
But it might do
something, and it's lovely.

283
00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:07,633
I love it, what it does.

284
00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:09,710
And I might do
another one down there.

285
00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:14,090
And the way I flick, you just
simply have a flick of the wrist,

286
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:17,811
which is a sort of a
proper semicircle, in a way.

287
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,221
And then I've got
this here, you know,

288
00:27:20,222 --> 00:27:24,443
and I could take
some of this and go...

289
00:27:27,354 --> 00:27:31,654
Then I could, for instance...

290
00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,489
An eye in there.

291
00:27:37,698 --> 00:27:41,200
And I like the idea
of an eye in there

292
00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:46,252
and a sense of some face
that's happening there.

293
00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:53,138
And I blow like so.

294
00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:59,477
And things happen.

295
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,956
What are you doing right now?

296
00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:26,421
Well, I'm pulling away the
gesso from underneath the color.

297
00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:32,043
I think perhaps, you know,
art is just tricks, really.

298
00:28:32,044 --> 00:28:34,503
In a way, I don't know
what there is there.

299
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,672
I mean, it's only a...

300
00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:42,637
it started out as a blank sheet of
paper and it's become more than that.

301
00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:46,267
- There's an event going on in there.
- Yeah.

302
00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:49,269
That's rather nice.

303
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:52,021
Take Francis Bacon.

304
00:28:52,022 --> 00:28:56,776
He always seemed to manage to make
his pictures look like an event,

305
00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,904
even though they
were not necessarily

306
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:03,407
specifically of somebody.

307
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:10,331
But he brought excitement into an area that
was apparently, at first glance, nothing.

308
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:14,877
And I found that to be
pretty amazing, really.

309
00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:20,508
Do you make any use of preliminary
studies or sketches of any sort?

310
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:22,009
Yes, I do.

311
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:28,266
But after that, chance and
what I call accident takes over,

312
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:33,938
when consciously I don't
know what I'm doing.

313
00:29:33,939 --> 00:29:36,190
At that moment,
I'm thinking of nothing

314
00:29:36,191 --> 00:29:40,987
but how hopeless and impossible
this thing is to achieve.

315
00:29:40,988 --> 00:29:46,117
Suddenly there comes something
which your instinct seizes on

316
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:50,623
as being for a moment the thing
by which it could begin to develop.

317
00:29:57,504 --> 00:30:00,506
What that is, in fact, is stop-out.

318
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,344
If I blow more color
over that, then I rub it,

319
00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:10,817
and it pulls this stuff off with the color
and leaves the paper still where it was.

320
00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:14,524
So I'll just do this.

321
00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:22,069
But also I'm worried about
going too far with that

322
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,530
and completely losing it, you know.

323
00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:28,035
- Sure.
- I'd like to leave it for a bit, I think.

324
00:30:34,458 --> 00:30:40,546
The most enigmatic
and inquiring artist

325
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:44,017
that ever lived would be Rembrandt,

326
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:48,888
who took it upon himself to do

327
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:51,265
self-portrait after self-portrait

328
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:54,519
in the process of getting older.

329
00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:59,565
It was the most undecorative idea,

330
00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:01,817
taking yourself

331
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:04,741
and watching yourself grow old,

332
00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:10,117
and give us an
animation of his aging

333
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:15,044
in beautiful paintings,
great self-portraits.

334
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:21,587
It was the most scintillating
intellectual exercise

335
00:31:21,588 --> 00:31:23,931
that one could imagine.

336
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:47,947
Now what I'm gonna do is,

337
00:31:47,948 --> 00:31:52,618
'cause on there, there's all
this lovely masking fluid,

338
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,495
and this is the only thing
that will take it off,

339
00:31:54,496 --> 00:31:57,374
which is masking fluid gone solid.

340
00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,128
What's underneath there?

341
00:32:02,129 --> 00:32:05,473
And this coming out now.
You're watching this?

342
00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:14,016
Some sort of substantial sort of

343
00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:20,857
place exists beyond the skyline.

344
00:32:22,858 --> 00:32:25,609
I find this funny, because even
amongst all the great details,

345
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:29,488
there's precision in your work,
but you're still very, very playful.

346
00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:32,491
Well, it's 'cause I'm
not very professional.

347
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:35,578
I don't go out of my
way to be professional.

348
00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:37,913
I go out of my way to
try and make something

349
00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:42,835
that is as unexpected to me as
it is to anyone else, you know?

350
00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:44,963
That's perfect.

351
00:32:50,719 --> 00:32:56,015
I think, most importantly, Picasso
has been the biggest influence of all,

352
00:32:56,016 --> 00:33:02,521
because of his continuing
persistent creative daily life.

353
00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:08,119
The way he made his life into the
reason for his living every day.

354
00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:12,907
And it gave me a purpose,
too, in a strange kind of way,

355
00:33:12,908 --> 00:33:15,743
and a sense of, "God, is there
anything on that piece of paper?"

356
00:33:15,744 --> 00:33:17,703
"Anything can be there."

357
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:22,880
And Picasso proved it day
after day after day after day.

358
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,265
He convinced me that
the thing I can do is

359
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:41,268
simply start a drawing

360
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,729
and it will come out
the other end somehow.

361
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:46,524
And I won't know how it's
going to come out completely,

362
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:49,443
but that's the fascination.

363
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:52,788
That makes it a worthwhile pursuit.

364
00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:57,076
If I knew what was going
to happen before I started,

365
00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:59,955
what would be the
point of doing it?

366
00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:06,754
If you surprise yourself still,
you really could have a good trip.

367
00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:37,950
Well, the phone rang.

368
00:34:37,951 --> 00:34:40,911
"Ralph, this is Hunter."

369
00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:45,583
"So they seem to have liked
the Kentucky Derby piece

370
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:47,960
"and they want us to do
something else, you know.

371
00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:51,088
"They want us to go to Zaire

372
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,507
"and cover the Ali/Foreman fight,

373
00:34:53,508 --> 00:34:55,635
"the Rumble in the Jungle."

374
00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:59,397
So I said, "Yes, Hunter,
I think that would be very nice."

375
00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:08,939
I flew from London
and I arrived in Zaire,

376
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,984
and the first thing I noticed
when I got off the plane

377
00:35:11,985 --> 00:35:13,532
was the blanket of heat.

378
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,375
The first thing Hunter did

379
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,711
was to go out and buy himself

380
00:35:30,712 --> 00:35:34,216
a massive bag of grass.

381
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:39,012
And I thought to myself,
"I'm not gonna enjoy this."

382
00:35:46,895 --> 00:35:49,313
The phone rang and it was Hunter.

383
00:35:49,314 --> 00:35:52,107
"Ralph, got a great story.

384
00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:54,401
"Cover the America's
Cup in Rhode island."

385
00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:57,906
And I said, "Well,
I don't really like boats."

386
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,659
So when we got there,

387
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:05,790
the weather was so
bad, the race was off.

388
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,922
I got a call from him.
"Ralph, this is Hunter here."

389
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:16,678
"How do you feel about
doing another story?"

390
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:19,802
Sorry. "Dr. Hunter S. Thompson,

391
00:36:19,803 --> 00:36:22,388
"care of General Delivery,
Woody Creek, Colorado,

392
00:36:22,389 --> 00:36:24,482
"It was May 23, 1980."

393
00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:26,266
"Dear Hunter,

394
00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,895
"we would like you to cover
the Honolulu Marathon."

395
00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:32,564
"We will pay all expenses
and an excellent fee."

396
00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:35,944
"Think about it. This is a
good chance for a vacation."

397
00:36:36,486 --> 00:36:38,329
Feels nice.

398
00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:43,867
And the idea was

399
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:46,036
Hunter and I would
come out of the chocks,

400
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,288
"shoulder to shoulder,"
as he put it, you know,

401
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:53,465
and run as fast as hell,
obviously leaving people behind.

402
00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:58,308
And a truck would pick us up and
take us the rest of the way, you see.

403
00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:02,720
George Foreman,
I will bruise him up.

404
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:05,347
If I don't knock him out,
I will cut him all up.

405
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:08,067
Nicks and cuts all over his face.

406
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:11,603
On the eighth floor of
the Intercontinental,

407
00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,903
George Foreman would
go walking with the dog.

408
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:24,783
I came up with another idea.

409
00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:28,370
Why don't we go in
amongst the two boats,

410
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:31,081
the Gretel and the Intrepid,

411
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:34,793
and I write something, with a spray
can, on the side of one of the boats?

412
00:37:34,794 --> 00:37:37,087
He said, "What are you
gonna write, Ralph?"

413
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:41,434
I said, "Well, I thought
of writing 'Fuck the Pope.'"

414
00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:50,559
And we waited for the people
who were by this time knackered.

415
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Then we'd be there to jeer.

416
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:58,785
"Run, you bastard,
run!" we would shout.

417
00:37:59,694 --> 00:38:04,656
They went, "You filthy buggers!
No sportsmanship in you."

418
00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:07,826
We'd gone there to
screw the race up.

419
00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:09,661
It's an awful thing to do.

420
00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:13,757
I mean, this is the
mean face of Gonzo.

421
00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:22,968
Hunter said, "Are you ready
for this?" I said, "Yes."

422
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:27,721
And you know when you take a
spray can, you have to shake it.

423
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:29,723
And there's a little
ball, so you've got this,

424
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:31,058
"Click, click, click..."

425
00:38:31,059 --> 00:38:34,812
I heard somebody say, "What
are you guys doing down there?"

426
00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:37,105
And Hunter said, "God, pigs."

427
00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:39,817
"We've failed. We must flee."

428
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:42,903
And he brought out Leary flares,

429
00:38:42,904 --> 00:38:46,865
which you only use in times of
distress in the middle of an ocean,

430
00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:50,077
which he set off in the harbor,

431
00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:54,879
and some of them fell onto
boats and that caused mayhem.

432
00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,218
I said to Hunter, "When
are we going to the fight?"

433
00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:10,064
"We're not, Ralph.
I sold the tickets." "What?"

434
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:14,852
He went down to the pool,
threw the grass into the pool

435
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:17,401
and dived straight into it.

436
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,816
We couldn't go and see the fight.

437
00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:23,777
The only way I could go and
see it was on television,

438
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:25,871
which I did in the bar.

439
00:39:30,577 --> 00:39:31,952
The moment the fight was over,

440
00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:35,998
everybody just wanted
to get out of Zaire.

441
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:38,843
"We must get out of
here. We must flee."

442
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,466
It's a good way to do
stuff, for no good reason.

443
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:47,885
Another of Hunter's phrases.

444
00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:52,812
"Why are we doing this, Hunter?"
"For no good reason, Ralph."

445
00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:58,395
What I seem to have become

446
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:04,494
is a kind of visual
chronicler of a part of Hunter.

447
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,279
I had personified him.

448
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,449
That was like a comic character.

449
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:15,037
He'd got a cigarette holder. Had to
have it. It was part of the outfit.

450
00:40:15,038 --> 00:40:19,884
And he had all those things
and I gave them all to him.

451
00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:28,216
'Cause he didn't like the idea

452
00:40:28,217 --> 00:40:33,513
that anyone was going
to outwit him in any way,

453
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:35,557
you know, that he would...

454
00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:40,063
He's in charge. He's the
writer. I'm just an artist.

455
00:40:40,188 --> 00:40:41,480
I'm Edward.

456
00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:44,566
He has a bird called Edward,
such a marvelous character...

457
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,026
I think Hunter tormented it,

458
00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:48,528
but I think there was a
kind of two-way affection

459
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:49,655
or something going on.

460
00:40:49,656 --> 00:40:52,454
Edward, talk to me. No?

461
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:55,786
Hunter would use it, I think,
to bounce off, you know.

462
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:57,621
He'd use it as a kind
of victim, you know,

463
00:40:57,622 --> 00:41:02,376
something to bring into the story
and how he was feeling about it,

464
00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:03,460
who was the bird.

465
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:07,386
I suppose at some point I, in a
way, became the bird, you know.

466
00:41:13,346 --> 00:41:15,393
Now.

467
00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:19,485
Now we're going to talk,
Edward. Speak to me. Yes.

468
00:41:21,771 --> 00:41:24,064
I feel like Edward
sometimes, in a situation,

469
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:26,733
I feel absolutely taken apart,

470
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:30,028
as though he's had a whole
session of talking to me, you know,

471
00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:33,658
holding me like a bird and I'm
trying to bite my way out of it.

472
00:41:34,283 --> 00:41:36,877
And that was our
relationship, actually.

473
00:41:38,955 --> 00:41:42,959
It was ill-treatment,
you know, that he gave me.

474
00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:47,796
Speak up, Edward, speak
up. Speak up! Talk to me!

475
00:41:47,797 --> 00:41:51,508
He could be an absolute
son of a bitch, you know,

476
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:58,358
and left me sometimes
in a right state.

477
00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:55,966
The basis of Ralph
and Hunter's friendship

478
00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:59,803
was that they saw kindred
spirits in each other.

479
00:43:59,804 --> 00:44:02,430
I think that the
difference was that

480
00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:06,606
Hunter realized that
Ralph was crazier than him.

481
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:10,438
Ralph was willing to go to extremes
that Hunter was not willing to,

482
00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:13,775
and you'd think Hunter would be
the one who was the, you know,

483
00:44:13,776 --> 00:44:15,569
more outrageous and reckless

484
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:17,946
and the one who would go
out on a limb on something.

485
00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:19,406
But Ralph was the one
who'd actually go there.

486
00:44:19,407 --> 00:44:21,825
I'm not talking
about physical safety.

487
00:44:21,826 --> 00:44:25,495
But I'm talking about
sort of, you know,

488
00:44:25,496 --> 00:44:30,792
mental, moral, philosophical,

489
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:33,216
take a chance with your own work.

490
00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:56,484
I think America is where

491
00:44:56,485 --> 00:45:00,831
all that was going wrong in
the world was being nurtured.

492
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:06,661
Blast the hell out
of North Vietnam...

493
00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:08,205
- Do you agree?
- Absolutely.

494
00:45:08,206 --> 00:45:13,543
If anything, before the election,
we're gonna bomb more, believe me.

495
00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:16,004
It seemed to me they
needed attacking.

496
00:45:16,005 --> 00:45:20,050
It was something that
absolutely had to be done.

497
00:45:20,051 --> 00:45:25,347
So it had fallen to me to do this.

498
00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:28,558
It was my duty to change the world.

499
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,311
I'd always thought I
wanted to change the world.

500
00:45:31,312 --> 00:45:33,780
Now was the moment.

501
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,664
Ralph was willing to say
anything about anybody.

502
00:45:50,665 --> 00:45:53,875
I mean, his moral
sensibility was affronted

503
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:57,175
and he would just say
so, he wouldn't stop.

504
00:45:57,964 --> 00:46:01,513
And thus in a certain sense insane,

505
00:46:02,218 --> 00:46:06,179
willing to, you know, go to the
limits of what was appropriate,

506
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:08,598
beyond the limits of what was
appropriate and what was sanity,

507
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,225
and dangerous in that way.

508
00:46:14,105 --> 00:46:18,191
Because people have gotta know whether
or not their president's a crook.

509
00:46:18,192 --> 00:46:19,989
Well, I'm not a crook.

510
00:46:23,447 --> 00:46:28,994
I had found my voice and I
wasn't at all afraid anymore.

511
00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:33,375
I was going to use it as a weapon.

512
00:46:52,143 --> 00:46:55,145
One continually lives in hope

513
00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:59,691
and that you are coming along as
a sort of knight in shining armor

514
00:46:59,692 --> 00:47:01,776
and you're going to do your best.

515
00:47:01,777 --> 00:47:04,904
In a way, you're being
rather self-righteous.

516
00:47:04,905 --> 00:47:09,409
But be proud of the fact that
you are attempting to put right

517
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:11,912
what really is wrong.

518
00:47:23,215 --> 00:47:25,759
Since then Steadman
has gone back and forth,

519
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,928
contributing regularly to the
pages of Rolling Stone magazine,

520
00:47:28,929 --> 00:47:31,389
recording some of the
significant political events

521
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:33,475
and personalities of American life.

522
00:47:33,476 --> 00:47:35,060
His output is prolific.

523
00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:39,031
He even writes Rolling Stone's
occasional gardening column.

524
00:47:39,732 --> 00:47:41,775
Yeah, I wanted to write.

525
00:47:41,776 --> 00:47:43,485
Really?

526
00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:47,614
And having Hunter saying
to me, "Don't write, Ralph.

527
00:47:47,615 --> 00:47:50,742
"You'll bring shame
on your family."

528
00:47:50,743 --> 00:47:54,247
That spurred me on and I
thought, "No, bugger you."

529
00:47:57,208 --> 00:48:01,838
She's my love

530
00:48:03,089 --> 00:48:07,509
She's my life

531
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:12,639
It's really such a pity that
she's someone else's wife

532
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,940
She's my love...

533
00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:22,107
Thank you for ringing.
I'm not here at the moment.

534
00:48:22,108 --> 00:48:28,331
I'm busy writing a book and
I'll ring you later. Thanks.

535
00:48:51,512 --> 00:48:54,597
I need a couple of drinks, actually,
to start on this, really do.

536
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:56,641
What is the time now, by the way?

537
00:48:56,642 --> 00:48:58,314
- 12:00.
- Right.

538
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:05,900
The task I set myself was
filled with such challenge

539
00:49:05,901 --> 00:49:09,279
that I feared the very
touching of the wall.

540
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,365
At times I was overcome
with desperate fear

541
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:16,621
and dared not mar the
whiteness there before me.

542
00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:27,589
And I began to paint upon the
wall itself on 6th June, 1505,

543
00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:30,889
at the stroke of the 13th hour.

544
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:34,012
At the moment of putting
the brush upon the wall,

545
00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:38,563
the skies darkened and
the bells started to toll.

546
00:49:40,394 --> 00:49:43,354
Leonardo da Vinci was a genius.

547
00:49:43,355 --> 00:49:46,441
In fact, Sigmund Freud said

548
00:49:46,442 --> 00:49:49,240
he was the man who
woke up in the dark.

549
00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:56,784
I thought, "Am I knowledgeable
enough to know anything

550
00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:59,662
"about such a man as
Leonardo da Vinci?"

551
00:49:59,663 --> 00:50:01,915
There must be loads
of people around

552
00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:04,209
who have done books
about Leonardo da Vinci.

553
00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:08,838
And I found there were more than most
people have ever been written about.

554
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:14,095
So how can I possibly write
a book that was different?

555
00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:16,930
How many books have
you read about Leonardo?

556
00:50:16,931 --> 00:50:19,307
I suppose I've been
through about 50,

557
00:50:19,308 --> 00:50:24,564
and I'm none the wiser.
I don't know a damn thing.

558
00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:28,691
About halfway through
I suddenly thought,

559
00:50:28,692 --> 00:50:31,903
"What if I call
myself 'I, Leonardo'?"

560
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:34,406
And so I became Leonardo.

561
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:40,663
It was 16th of December, 1982.

562
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:44,799
The angle for my book
on Leonardo da Vinci.

563
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,379
I would write it
in the first person.

564
00:50:48,671 --> 00:50:51,890
I would look through his eyes.

565
00:50:52,132 --> 00:50:55,176
Only I will know what it felt like.

566
00:50:55,177 --> 00:50:57,600
No experts can tell me.

567
00:51:01,308 --> 00:51:03,643
This allows me artistic license

568
00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:07,855
and affords me the luxury
of telling my life story

569
00:51:07,856 --> 00:51:12,827
without all the doubt that
accompanies most biographies about me.

570
00:51:25,165 --> 00:51:28,543
The reason I chose
Leonardo as a subject

571
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:31,754
was because of something he said,

572
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:35,304
that genius was the
capacity for taking pains.

573
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:42,765
In a way I recognized
something of me in him,

574
00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:49,649
that I was trying hard to
be something rather special.

575
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:52,275
And that's not swanky-ing about it.

576
00:51:52,276 --> 00:51:58,829
It's just trying to do something
as definitively as I possibly could

577
00:51:58,866 --> 00:52:03,121
that served the purpose
it was intended to serve.

578
00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:13,046
He was fascinated
by why things worked

579
00:52:13,047 --> 00:52:15,506
and how interrelated they all were.

580
00:52:15,507 --> 00:52:20,888
Everything that he
designed and invented

581
00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:26,061
were the result of
thinking about life itself.

582
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:32,273
I think the most significant
thing that Leonardo did,

583
00:52:32,274 --> 00:52:34,233
that makes him so special,

584
00:52:34,234 --> 00:52:39,072
was that he came out with something that
probably other people had dreamed of,

585
00:52:39,073 --> 00:52:42,042
and that was how to fly.

586
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,664
I devised a simple flying harness

587
00:52:47,665 --> 00:52:51,876
whereby myself, or someone who
might fit the harness willingly,

588
00:52:51,877 --> 00:52:55,472
would soar out from some eminence.

589
00:53:05,891 --> 00:53:09,060
The parachute invented by Leonardo

590
00:53:09,061 --> 00:53:13,031
would have been, you know, a
triangular... Like a pyramid.

591
00:53:29,581 --> 00:53:34,177
But then he came out with a
cleverer idea, which was the glider.

592
00:53:40,801 --> 00:53:42,218
It flies,

593
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:44,392
but I don't.

594
00:53:51,437 --> 00:53:55,106
You know, I learned a lot from
him. I learned a lot from...

595
00:53:55,107 --> 00:53:56,566
This is how I got an education.

596
00:53:56,567 --> 00:54:01,413
I didn't have an education
before I started doing stuff.

597
00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:06,367
And, you know, I mean,
I left school with zilch.

598
00:54:06,368 --> 00:54:08,165
Yeah.

599
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,640
I went to Abergele Grammar School.

600
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,020
The headmaster's
name was D.B. Jones.

601
00:54:35,022 --> 00:54:38,617
He was such a sweet, gentle man.

602
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:45,865
After D.B. Jones retired,
we got a new headmaster,

603
00:54:45,866 --> 00:54:48,201
Dr. Hubert Hughes.

604
00:54:48,202 --> 00:54:52,789
He took over and authority
became very important for him,

605
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:55,292
and caning boys.

606
00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:07,386
My head is down because,
in a peculiar way,

607
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:10,807
I felt that school was in some ways

608
00:55:10,808 --> 00:55:14,519
a rather authoritative process.

609
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,104
And that's when I coined
a phrase which was,

610
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:20,324
"Authority is the
mask of violence."

611
00:55:27,074 --> 00:55:29,492
I can't stand bullies,

612
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:31,244
and there have been so many of them

613
00:55:31,245 --> 00:55:33,663
and they've been always
in positions of power.

614
00:55:33,664 --> 00:55:37,759
I'm afraid I find that
frankly unforgivable.

615
00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:45,424
The desire to shock is also a
way of getting back at authority.

616
00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:48,724
That idea that,
"Righto, you owe me."

617
00:55:48,804 --> 00:55:52,890
You scared the living
daylights out of me as a kid

618
00:55:52,891 --> 00:55:58,062
with your awful way of dealing
with children and school.

619
00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:04,366
I was trying to hurt the thing
that hurt me, if you like.

620
00:56:07,698 --> 00:56:14,620
It's the key to opening the
door into my dark spirit inside

621
00:56:14,621 --> 00:56:16,163
and out comes

622
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:19,458
the drawing that some
people call vicious

623
00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:23,296
and all sorts of other
names, or perceptive even.

624
00:56:23,297 --> 00:56:24,889
Sure.

625
00:56:25,132 --> 00:56:28,718
It's like a filter
somewhere inside me

626
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,346
that lets it through
and onto paper,

627
00:56:32,347 --> 00:56:35,316
and the anger is expressed.

628
00:56:35,434 --> 00:56:38,352
It doesn't matter that
I'm pleasant one minute

629
00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:41,564
and then I'm suddenly
vitriolic the next.

630
00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:44,363
They go together. It's perfect.

631
00:57:17,643 --> 00:57:20,353
Well, this is a little
booklet I put together

632
00:57:20,354 --> 00:57:22,730
to celebrate the 50th anniversary

633
00:57:22,731 --> 00:57:28,362
of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.

634
00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:32,624
And so it's introduced
and illustrated by me.

635
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,869
Article 1.

636
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,706
All human beings are born free
and equal in dignity and rights.

637
00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:43,209
They are endowed with
reason and conscience

638
00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:47,546
and should act towards one
another in a spirit of brotherhood.

639
00:57:47,547 --> 00:57:49,507
Article 2.

640
00:57:49,508 --> 00:57:52,426
Everyone is entitled to
all the rights and freedoms

641
00:57:52,427 --> 00:57:54,512
set forth in this declaration.

642
00:57:54,513 --> 00:57:56,138
Article 3.

643
00:57:56,139 --> 00:58:00,815
Everyone has the right to life,
liberty and security of person.

644
00:58:00,894 --> 00:58:05,106
Article 4. No one shall be
held in slavery or servitude.

645
00:58:05,107 --> 00:58:09,694
Article 5. No one shall be
subject to torture or cruel...

646
00:58:09,695 --> 00:58:14,281
Article 6. Everyone has the
right to recognition everywhere

647
00:58:14,282 --> 00:58:17,660
as a person before the law.

648
00:58:17,661 --> 00:58:19,412
Article 7.

649
00:58:19,413 --> 00:58:21,080
All are equal before the law

650
00:58:21,081 --> 00:58:23,916
and are entitled without
any discrimination...

651
00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:29,296
Nothing in this declaration may be
interpreted as implying for any state,

652
00:58:29,297 --> 00:58:33,968
any right to engage in any
activity or to perform any act

653
00:58:33,969 --> 00:58:36,187
aimed at the destruction...

654
00:58:58,994 --> 00:59:04,373
People actually had the
balls, had the foresight,

655
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:07,460
had the understanding
of human nature,

656
00:59:07,461 --> 00:59:12,131
to say, "We don't just talk
about it. We write it down."

657
00:59:12,132 --> 00:59:16,978
Then we remind ourselves
of what human rights are.

658
00:59:26,063 --> 00:59:28,773
What I'll try to do is draw things

659
00:59:28,774 --> 00:59:33,527
because I'm angry at these people
who are cheated and swindled.

660
00:59:33,528 --> 00:59:37,749
That's who my enemy
is. That's my object,

661
00:59:37,783 --> 00:59:41,583
the object of my protest.

662
00:59:44,539 --> 00:59:47,833
I just wanted to be taken seriously

663
00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:53,215
as an artist who was
doing serious cartoons.

664
01:00:00,555 --> 01:00:02,272
The age of miracles.

665
01:00:02,474 --> 01:00:06,685
A pocket-sized, folding,
electronically controlled,

666
01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:09,522
motor-driven,
single-lens reflex camera

667
01:00:09,523 --> 01:00:11,899
that quite simply
does the impossible.

668
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,609
Come a bit closer.

669
01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:17,865
Focus. Train.

670
01:00:18,073 --> 01:00:20,658
Touch the electric button...

671
01:00:20,659 --> 01:00:22,627
And the impossible happens.

672
01:00:24,496 --> 01:00:29,251
In minutes, you have a finished
photograph of dazzling beauty.

673
01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:38,644
That is the Polaroid
SX-70 experience.

674
01:00:39,553 --> 01:00:41,100
Yeah, that's better.

675
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,682
- Ready?
- Yeah.

676
01:00:45,433 --> 01:00:48,310
- It worked.
- There's no film in it.

677
01:00:48,311 --> 01:00:50,233
I wanna do it again.

678
01:00:57,529 --> 01:01:00,865
In 1996, I published With Nails,

679
01:01:00,866 --> 01:01:03,325
which was a compilation
of film diaries,

680
01:01:03,326 --> 01:01:06,078
and I wanted

681
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,415
the fly covers on the inside of
the book, the back and the front.

682
01:01:09,416 --> 01:01:14,420
I thought it'd be a good idea as
Ralph was so emblematic to Withnail.

683
01:01:14,421 --> 01:01:17,923
I asked Ralph if he could come
up with a drawing or some idea.

684
01:01:17,924 --> 01:01:22,270
And he said, "Come down
and we'll do paranoids."

685
01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:42,281
He took pictures of
well-known people,

686
01:01:42,282 --> 01:01:45,326
or characters like Bela
Lugosi or John Travolta,

687
01:01:45,327 --> 01:01:47,625
and then would stick
them on my face.

688
01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:50,748
- That one worked.
- Yeah.

689
01:01:50,749 --> 01:01:52,917
Okay, we're onto something now.

690
01:01:52,918 --> 01:01:55,586
Now, let me play with
these ones for a minute.

691
01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:58,714
And then work on the Polaroid
when it was still warm

692
01:01:58,715 --> 01:02:02,389
and fiddle around so that the
two images melded together.

693
01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:08,724
They're directly on the...

694
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:11,936
- Done onto the film.
- Onto the film.

695
01:02:11,937 --> 01:02:14,521
While it's still...
While it's still...

696
01:02:14,522 --> 01:02:19,735
I was after getting the real person
and then doing something to it.

697
01:02:19,736 --> 01:02:23,197
I was actually trying to get
a good picture of somebody,

698
01:02:23,198 --> 01:02:25,032
then distorting it,

699
01:02:25,033 --> 01:02:27,956
to look like one of my drawings.

700
01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:34,541
It was the essence of my work

701
01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:40,549
to distort and yet
maintain the likeness.

702
01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:50,224
I thought, this is great, so I
just fiddled with each one I did,

703
01:02:50,225 --> 01:02:56,021
and made that happen, made
them move in an expressive way.

704
01:02:56,022 --> 01:03:00,025
And I thought, "Well, that speaks
to me as my kind of drawing."

705
01:03:00,026 --> 01:03:02,324
That's what I like, you know.

706
01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:09,412
So I started doing them of
the Queen and Princess Di.

707
01:03:10,829 --> 01:03:15,040
And that was Fergie, which I
thought, "That's coming out well."

708
01:03:15,041 --> 01:03:18,002
And I thought, "I've
got a book here."

709
01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:19,971
So I did a book of it.

710
01:03:42,861 --> 01:03:44,820
Anyway, they all
came out like that,

711
01:03:44,821 --> 01:03:47,574
and there was one,
and it's this one.

712
01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:52,870
We were at the
Jerome Hotel in Aspen,

713
01:03:52,871 --> 01:03:54,913
and there was a sort of reception

714
01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,667
and David Hockney had
been invited as well.

715
01:03:58,668 --> 01:04:01,795
And then I saw David in the bar.

716
01:04:01,796 --> 01:04:04,214
So I went up behind him,

717
01:04:04,215 --> 01:04:08,677
had the camera ready,
and I said, "David."

718
01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:11,055
And he turned round like
that and I went "Click, bash!"

719
01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:13,349
And the thing hit him, you see.

720
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:16,148
And he said, "It won't
come out, you know."

721
01:04:16,436 --> 01:04:18,937
Goddamn know-all.

722
01:04:18,938 --> 01:04:21,816
It came out as one
of the best, actually.

723
01:04:24,486 --> 01:04:26,488
Can I pick it up?

724
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:35,622
Does this sound distorted to you?

725
01:04:37,832 --> 01:04:39,041
Okeydoke.

726
01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:41,293
The war file...

727
01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:43,545
One more time. Sorry, Ralph.

728
01:04:43,546 --> 01:04:48,017
The war file, 1963, 2003.

729
01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:55,057
I protest, I protest, I protest,
I protest vehemently against the war.

730
01:04:55,058 --> 01:04:57,267
I protest vehemently
against the war.

731
01:04:57,268 --> 01:05:01,313
I'm seeking out every drawing
I've done since the '60s,

732
01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:05,526
which in one way or another displays
the irony of our crass stupidity.

733
01:05:05,527 --> 01:05:08,445
I will miss some things.
There are so many.

734
01:05:08,446 --> 01:05:10,197
I know nothing will be solved,

735
01:05:10,198 --> 01:05:13,542
but I do it for my
sanity and world peace.

736
01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:19,002
Our leaders are mindless,
arrogant and insane.

737
01:05:35,098 --> 01:05:40,144
The thing about Ralph's work is
it was just the energy, the anger,

738
01:05:40,145 --> 01:05:42,521
the venom that was just spewed out,

739
01:05:42,522 --> 01:05:45,024
and that's what I loved.

740
01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:57,953
I wish I'd had that kind of
ability to explode like Ralph does

741
01:05:57,954 --> 01:06:00,752
and still control
it at the same time.

742
01:06:09,549 --> 01:06:12,509
The problem with protest
is we were the protesters

743
01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:15,012
and we got old and we got tired.

744
01:06:15,013 --> 01:06:18,140
We screamed and shouted and we did
change the world to some degree,

745
01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:19,641
but not as much as we'd like.

746
01:06:19,642 --> 01:06:23,896
And that leads to depression and
a sort of sense of semi-impotence,

747
01:06:23,897 --> 01:06:26,482
which I think after a while
begins to just wear you down.

748
01:06:26,483 --> 01:06:29,401
You realize that you
did make these changes

749
01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:32,154
and you see a new generation
of people coming up

750
01:06:32,155 --> 01:06:37,326
who are the beneficiaries of
a lot of the noise we made,

751
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:40,704
and they don't give a damn,
they don't give a toss.

752
01:06:40,705 --> 01:06:42,039
They're into shopping.

753
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,009
So it gets very hard to
know what to do with this.

754
01:06:47,253 --> 01:06:50,506
Ralph can't stop.
I don't think I can stop.

755
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:54,176
We'll go to our graves shouting
and screaming and making noise

756
01:06:54,177 --> 01:06:56,679
and nobody will listen.

757
01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:07,064
To John Dillinger and I
hope he is still alive.

758
01:07:07,065 --> 01:07:12,662
Thanksgiving Day,
November 28th, 1986.

759
01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:17,991
Thanks for the wild turkey
and the passenger pigeons

760
01:07:17,992 --> 01:07:19,743
destined to be shit out

761
01:07:19,744 --> 01:07:23,589
through wholesome American guts.

762
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:29,380
Thanks for a continent
to despoil and poison.

763
01:07:31,256 --> 01:07:37,229
Thanks for Indians to provide a
modicum of challenge and danger.

764
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:43,976
Thanks for vast herds of
bison to kill and skin,

765
01:07:43,977 --> 01:07:47,105
leaving the carcasses to rot.

766
01:07:49,816 --> 01:07:54,162
Thanks for bounties
on wolves and coyotes.

767
01:07:57,156 --> 01:08:01,326
Thanks for the American Dream
to vulgarize and falsify.

768
01:08:01,327 --> 01:08:04,913
Like 1987, '88, around then,

769
01:08:04,914 --> 01:08:10,252
I was asked to do these
records with William Burroughs,

770
01:08:10,253 --> 01:08:16,431
and that was so connected to
the world of Hunter and Ralph.

771
01:08:16,718 --> 01:08:19,845
And, of course, Ralph
adored this when he heard it.

772
01:08:19,846 --> 01:08:22,849
He liked the beginning
and the montage.

773
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,320
You know, it was all
these worlds meeting.

774
01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:31,574
Thanks for "Kill a Queer
for Christ" stickers.

775
01:08:32,525 --> 01:08:36,029
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.

776
01:08:38,156 --> 01:08:42,911
Thanks for prohibition
and the war against drugs.

777
01:08:44,829 --> 01:08:50,836
Thanks for a country where nobody
is allowed to mind his own business.

778
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:55,343
Thanks for a nation of finks.

779
01:08:55,882 --> 01:09:00,177
Yes, thanks for all the memories.

780
01:09:00,178 --> 01:09:03,597
All right, let's see your arms.

781
01:09:03,598 --> 01:09:06,266
You always were a headache

782
01:09:06,267 --> 01:09:09,441
and you always were a bore.

783
01:09:10,897 --> 01:09:14,066
Thanks for the last
and greatest betrayal

784
01:09:14,067 --> 01:09:18,822
of the last and
greatest of human dreams.

785
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:27,913
'Cause that type of writing,
that type of drawing,

786
01:09:27,914 --> 01:09:29,831
is very admirable to me,

787
01:09:29,832 --> 01:09:33,502
'cause in an odd way it's what we're
thinking at the back of our heads

788
01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:36,129
but aren't capable
of getting it out.

789
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:39,758
These guys have the
kind of minds that

790
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:42,594
that comes out of them.

791
01:09:42,595 --> 01:09:45,806
I mean, look at Ralph as a person.

792
01:09:45,807 --> 01:09:49,309
You never met a warmer, generous...

793
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:52,609
He is not his paintings.

794
01:09:55,942 --> 01:09:57,150
I don't know.

795
01:09:57,151 --> 01:10:00,904
- Everything's here except the guns.
- Guns?

796
01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:03,240
Everything's here except the guns.

797
01:10:03,241 --> 01:10:05,960
- He can hardly walk.
- Yeah.

798
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,622
They must be in the car.

799
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:16,294
We found a spot where he does
his shooting. He likes to shoot.

800
01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:19,005
And that's where we
set up the target.

801
01:10:19,006 --> 01:10:20,716
Six.

802
01:10:20,717 --> 01:10:23,510
When it stays open,
it's empty, see?

803
01:10:23,511 --> 01:10:25,137
Yeah. Right.

804
01:10:25,138 --> 01:10:26,596
- Understand?
- Yes.

805
01:10:26,597 --> 01:10:29,099
- Okay.
- Just about.

806
01:10:41,362 --> 01:10:43,864
So he comes forward

807
01:10:43,865 --> 01:10:46,658
and he was quite trembly
by this time and...

808
01:10:46,659 --> 01:10:49,745
Two, three, four,

809
01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:52,840
five, six, seven.

810
01:10:56,043 --> 01:10:57,715
Here I go.

811
01:11:02,008 --> 01:11:04,510
And he goes...

812
01:11:08,598 --> 01:11:12,318
Empties six rounds,
you see, like that.

813
01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:16,021
There, you cut his head off.

814
01:11:16,022 --> 01:11:20,108
I said, "Well, William,
you've missed," you know.

815
01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:24,409
They all went through his
neck, you see. So he said...

816
01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:29,952
He's dead, man.

817
01:11:33,790 --> 01:11:35,290
One of the privileges

818
01:11:35,291 --> 01:11:39,878
working with Hunter and
William Burroughs was

819
01:11:39,879 --> 01:11:42,631
they were perverse in many ways

820
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:46,261
and yet incredibly honest.

821
01:11:47,178 --> 01:11:49,763
I think what attracted me to them

822
01:11:49,764 --> 01:11:53,099
was the fact that they
were honest writers,

823
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:55,185
writing about real things

824
01:11:55,186 --> 01:11:57,521
that they actually experienced.

825
01:11:57,522 --> 01:12:03,819
So in some ways one would say
they were journalist-writers.

826
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:07,449
- They wrote about what happened to them.
- Yeah.

827
01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:11,451
Isn't it awful? It's awful.

828
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:15,747
And look how I look, as though
I'm, you know, in control.

829
01:12:15,748 --> 01:12:17,582
- Exactly.
- And I'm not.

830
01:12:17,583 --> 01:12:20,210
How many copies of this got out?

831
01:12:20,211 --> 01:12:22,713
About four million.

832
01:12:24,298 --> 01:12:26,508
No, no, no, no, no.

833
01:12:26,509 --> 01:12:29,845
Christ, he always puts me
down in this terrible way.

834
01:12:29,846 --> 01:12:32,690
I'm shutting this off for a
minute 'cause I'm pissed off.

835
01:12:34,392 --> 01:12:39,479
So, Ralph, was that the last
time you saw Hunter, at Owl Farm?

836
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:44,276
Yes, that was the last time.
That was... That was October...

837
01:12:44,277 --> 01:12:48,702
September, October, 2004.

838
01:12:58,165 --> 01:13:00,417
I had one blowup today
in my pants, and this is

839
01:13:00,418 --> 01:13:01,626
- another blowup!
- Stop it. Stop it.

840
01:13:01,627 --> 01:13:03,379
- So you keep doing it...
- Stop it!

841
01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:05,755
- Don't do that.
- Please don't shout about it.

842
01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,799
I don't come into your house and
copy all your fucking drawings

843
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,634
and then take them out
and run away with me, do I?

844
01:13:09,635 --> 01:13:10,969
I'm not doing that.

845
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:15,307
Go on! Fucking well do
something, for Christ's sake!

846
01:13:15,308 --> 01:13:18,937
You miserable son of a bitch.
What the hell are you trying to do?

847
01:13:22,899 --> 01:13:26,109
Sitting here in this goddamn place!

848
01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:28,578
I think Ralph loved Hunter

849
01:13:28,905 --> 01:13:33,408
and was hoping that Hunter would
be something he couldn't be,

850
01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:36,578
a little more responsible
and a little more careful

851
01:13:36,579 --> 01:13:38,456
and a little more generous.

852
01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:47,839
Day one. The English
artist Ralph Steadman

853
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,675
sets off with a BBC film
crew for Aspen, Colorado,

854
01:13:50,676 --> 01:13:52,010
to meet an old friend.

855
01:13:52,011 --> 01:13:54,471
The intermingling of the
commentary was so great.

856
01:13:54,472 --> 01:13:56,514
It was like, you
know, jealous brothers,

857
01:13:56,515 --> 01:13:59,643
or partners like Keith and
Mick or something like that,

858
01:13:59,644 --> 01:14:03,523
that just, you know,
was gonna blow apart.

859
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:09,653
What I had presented myself as

860
01:14:09,654 --> 01:14:12,072
was a ready answer
to all your problems.

861
01:14:12,073 --> 01:14:15,450
And I took it quite readily, and
that's why you illustrated the book.

862
01:14:15,451 --> 01:14:19,162
It wasn't the only reason,
Hunter. It wasn't the only reason.

863
01:14:19,163 --> 01:14:23,083
No one would have noticed it had
it not been for my illustrations.

864
01:14:23,084 --> 01:14:24,626
No one.

865
01:14:24,627 --> 01:14:26,461
What you're saying, Ralph, is that

866
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:30,382
Fear and Loathing in Las
Vegas would not have been a...

867
01:14:30,383 --> 01:14:31,758
The success it was.

868
01:14:31,759 --> 01:14:34,344
a success if it hadn't
been illustrated by you?

869
01:14:34,345 --> 01:14:37,138
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

870
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:39,349
Yeah, that's the story, in fact.

871
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:42,936
The story that was never told
was the story of my resentment,

872
01:14:42,937 --> 01:14:46,731
- my burning desperate resentment.
- That explains a lot, doesn't it?

873
01:14:46,732 --> 01:14:48,324
Yeah.

874
01:14:50,903 --> 01:14:53,196
I think in Hunter's
heart, he loved Ralph.

875
01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,665
Ralph was a brother to Hunter.

876
01:14:55,825 --> 01:14:58,702
And they were two
wonderful characters

877
01:14:58,703 --> 01:15:01,621
and they had a great
collaboration and friendship.

878
01:15:01,622 --> 01:15:05,291
But sometimes those
things tend to break apart,

879
01:15:05,292 --> 01:15:07,752
especially when you've
got irascible personalities

880
01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:11,047
and particularly when
you have, you know,

881
01:15:11,048 --> 01:15:15,598
Hunter's, you know, problem
with drink and drugs.

882
01:15:17,388 --> 01:15:20,983
- You don't care?
- I do care, actually.

883
01:15:21,308 --> 01:15:27,397
You know that, Hunter, but it's been a
fucking hard ride for all sorts of reasons.

884
01:15:27,398 --> 01:15:30,651
- Who do you wanna beat on?
- For fuck's sake.

885
01:15:31,986 --> 01:15:36,406
Hang on. I'm gonna stop this thing now,
'cause I can't talk to you like this.

886
01:15:36,407 --> 01:15:38,575
- Yeah, you get out of here.
- What?

887
01:15:38,576 --> 01:15:41,750
- I'm starting to feel queer.
- Christ.

888
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,795
He just realized this
was the death of fun.

889
01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:53,298
There was no more fun.

890
01:15:57,261 --> 01:15:59,763
And the idea of going
into an old people's home,

891
01:15:59,764 --> 01:16:02,390
Hunter S. Thompson in
an old people's home,

892
01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:04,313
can you imagine?

893
01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:11,566
And he said, "I can't
bear the idea, Ralph.

894
01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:14,819
"I've got this awful
image in my mind of

895
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:18,615
"me sitting there strapped
into the wheelchair."

896
01:16:18,616 --> 01:16:20,658
They'd have to strap him
in. Couldn't keep him in it.

897
01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:22,911
They'd strap him in the wheelchair.

898
01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:24,662
And he couldn't move.

899
01:16:24,663 --> 01:16:26,581
And he could see out of
the corner of his eye,

900
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,750
there was an old crone

901
01:16:28,751 --> 01:16:32,170
and she was crawling across
the floor towards him,

902
01:16:32,171 --> 01:16:34,339
and he knew, instinctively,

903
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:37,559
she was going to fondle his balls.

904
01:16:43,516 --> 01:16:46,351
His wife, Anita, went
off to the health club

905
01:16:46,352 --> 01:16:48,561
and she rang and said, "Hi, honey."

906
01:16:48,562 --> 01:16:52,607
And then there was a
certain faraway sound,

907
01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:56,069
as though she wasn't
necessarily up to the phone,

908
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:59,280
when he put the gun in his
mouth and pulled the trigger.

909
01:16:59,281 --> 01:17:00,365
And that was it.

910
01:17:00,366 --> 01:17:03,701
Now, his son thought
he heard a book drop.

911
01:17:03,702 --> 01:17:06,296
'Cause it goes like that.

912
01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:13,128
- Quite ironic, really, when you think.
- Yeah.

913
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:16,089
Yeah, well, it was kind
of that. He sort of...

914
01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:19,092
The way I... Same thing, the
way I came to terms with it

915
01:17:19,093 --> 01:17:24,722
was that this was a man who dictated
the way he was gonna live his life.

916
01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,559
He was most certainly gonna
dictate the way he left.

917
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:28,977
- Yeah.
- And he did, you know.

918
01:17:28,978 --> 01:17:31,606
- He did exactly that, yeah.
- So...

919
01:17:32,398 --> 01:17:34,992
- It's sad, really.
- Very.

920
01:17:42,825 --> 01:17:44,993
I did love Hunter

921
01:17:44,994 --> 01:17:49,624
and I miss him quite a lot.

922
01:17:51,584 --> 01:17:54,419
Rather a lot, actually.

923
01:17:54,420 --> 01:18:00,592
Because he took away, when
he did what he did to himself,

924
01:18:00,593 --> 01:18:02,969
he took with him

925
01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:08,522
the raison d'être for the
kind of work we did together.

926
01:18:09,226 --> 01:18:11,102
It wasn't gonna happen again.

927
01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:15,106
It was the finality of it

928
01:18:15,107 --> 01:18:20,659
that perhaps is the most
shocking part for me.

929
01:18:21,447 --> 01:18:24,782
Because that's what
happens to everything.

930
01:18:24,783 --> 01:18:28,207
It disappears eventually.

931
01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:42,717
A lot of people want
a piece of Ralph's art,

932
01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:45,511
and Ralph holds onto
most of his originals,

933
01:18:45,512 --> 01:18:48,731
because he just does
not want to let them go.

934
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:54,481
And this way somebody can get a
piece of Ralph's original artwork.

935
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:00,777
Yeah, they are original.
Each one is an original.

936
01:19:00,778 --> 01:19:04,197
And each one's an original
because I sign each one separately

937
01:19:04,198 --> 01:19:08,451
and number it out of an edition.

938
01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:09,911
So that becomes the edition,

939
01:19:09,912 --> 01:19:15,384
and the edition can be
worth quite a lot of money.

940
01:19:37,648 --> 01:19:41,818
I'm a printmaker and we sell prints

941
01:19:41,819 --> 01:19:45,323
to, you know, Ralph's
collectors all over the world.

942
01:20:04,842 --> 01:20:07,427
It gives me a feeling of hope that,

943
01:20:07,428 --> 01:20:10,221
you know, I can keep the original

944
01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:13,521
and I can still make money.

945
01:20:19,273 --> 01:20:23,985
But I don't think that
it's good for me, in a way.

946
01:20:23,986 --> 01:20:27,822
Because it represses my spirit,

947
01:20:27,823 --> 01:20:31,951
my natural spirit, to
just do another drawing.

948
01:20:31,952 --> 01:20:35,705
And I think there's
something about that

949
01:20:35,706 --> 01:20:39,542
which perhaps I don't like,

950
01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:45,214
the idea that I'm not
only gonna sign this once

951
01:20:45,215 --> 01:20:47,008
and then maybe twice,

952
01:20:47,009 --> 01:20:49,802
or do the same drawing twice,

953
01:20:49,803 --> 01:20:54,149
I'm gonna sign 800 of them.

954
01:21:03,525 --> 01:21:06,369
Gonzo will not die.

955
01:21:06,779 --> 01:21:10,531
Ralph continues to
keep Hunter alive

956
01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:13,326
and Hunter keeps Ralph alive.

957
01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:15,829
- You know, the two together.
- Yeah.

958
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,752
There's the sunshine coming in.

959
01:21:23,337 --> 01:21:25,505
Right. It's coming through?

960
01:21:25,506 --> 01:21:27,428
Testing, testing.

961
01:21:27,466 --> 01:21:29,884
One, two, three, four.

962
01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:33,889
So, Ralph, how you doing?

963
01:21:34,348 --> 01:21:40,901
I don't know. I'm feeling a bit
down, I think, really, somehow. Yeah.

964
01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:45,400
Apprehensive, anxious.

965
01:21:45,401 --> 01:21:46,818
And I just don't know what...

966
01:21:46,819 --> 01:21:50,539
It's partly to do with
getting older, you know.

967
01:21:51,031 --> 01:21:55,627
You don't know how...
How long it goes on.

968
01:21:56,203 --> 01:21:59,997
And, I don't know, I woke
up in the middle of the night

969
01:21:59,998 --> 01:22:02,750
and needed to go to the loo

970
01:22:02,751 --> 01:22:06,551
and felt...

971
01:22:08,841 --> 01:22:13,812
I don't know, I think I
felt slightly meaningless.

972
01:22:15,222 --> 01:22:18,057
That's the problem, I find,

973
01:22:18,058 --> 01:22:21,978
that things are a little
bit on the meaningless side.

974
01:22:21,979 --> 01:22:25,773
And why was I ever bothered

975
01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:28,067
- to do anything about it?
- Sure.

976
01:22:28,068 --> 01:22:32,539
Why did I ever try
to change the world?

977
01:22:33,490 --> 01:22:35,992
But it was...

978
01:22:37,828 --> 01:22:42,674
it was something to do,
you know, change the world.

979
01:22:49,339 --> 01:22:52,550
I left Ralph's with
my mind reeling from

980
01:22:52,551 --> 01:22:56,637
the sheer volume of a
lifetime's ideas and images,

981
01:22:56,638 --> 01:23:02,736
uplifted and inspired by an
artist's efforts to change the world.

982
01:23:07,149 --> 01:23:08,733
Look, you know, you've come here

983
01:23:08,734 --> 01:23:11,903
asking me this and asking me
that, asking me everything else.

984
01:23:11,904 --> 01:23:14,822
And as I go through
things, I suddenly realize

985
01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:17,116
I've done too much in my life.

986
01:23:17,117 --> 01:23:19,994
Really, what was the
point of all that?

987
01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:21,954
There is no need to do any more

988
01:23:21,955 --> 01:23:24,123
and yet I probably
may do some more,

989
01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:26,792
and I don't really
think it's a good idea

990
01:23:26,793 --> 01:23:31,506
because you become a polluter,
you know, a visual polluter.

991
01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:34,009
How about that?

992
01:23:45,437 --> 01:23:49,316
And I still haven't
proved that I'm an artist.

993
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:53,402
Somehow I'm a cartoonist
to some, and that's...

994
01:23:53,403 --> 01:23:55,905
The cartoonist.

995
01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:16,777
It's amazing to see an artist
as they jump into the unknown,

996
01:25:16,778 --> 01:25:19,280
commit to the impossible.

997
01:25:21,158 --> 01:25:23,909
Make no mistake, Ralph.

998
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:26,370
You are an inspiration.

999
01:25:26,371 --> 01:25:28,873
For no good reason.

1000
01:25:41,345 --> 01:25:43,054
Is that all right?

1001
01:25:43,055 --> 01:25:45,432
Perfect, yes.