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Joshua zeman:
Every town has its legends.
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Every neighborhood
has its boogeymen...
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A killer with a hook
for a hand...
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A drifter
who snatches children...
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The witch who lives
in the woods.
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Ours growing up in
staten island was cropsey,
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about an escaped mental patient
who lived in these buildings
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who would snatch children
off the street.
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This urban legend turned real
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when five neighborhood children
went missing.
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It was these disappearances
that led us to examine
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the real crimes behind
the cropsey urban legend.
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News reporter:
A grisly discovery
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of an arm and a leg
sticking out
from a shallow grave.
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Joshua: And what we
discovered was a connection
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to an institution
with a shocking history.
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This is what it looked like,
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but how can I tell you
about the way it smelled.
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It smelled of filth,
it smelled of disease,
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and it smelled of death.
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Joshua: Understanding
the real story behind cropsey
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inspired us to investigate
other urban legends
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and the true crimes
that may have influenced them,
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and what we uncovered
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was a truth more horrific
than any fiction.
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This is where
we thought that cropsey lived,
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in these buildings here.
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It's very easy
for an urban legend
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to come out of
something like this.
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Yeah, and we didn't
think anything of it
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until kids started going missing
on staten island,
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and then we were like,
cropsey is real.
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But do you think
every urban legend
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has truth behind it?
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Yes, I think you have to have
some form of like truth
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to gonna go off of.
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There's a lot of
other urban legends
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in a lot of other communities
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that have some form of truth
behind them.
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Uh-hm.
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And what's interesting
is all these communities
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have all these places.
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Rachel mills:
Well, every kid is lured to
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or fascinated by the old house
at the end of the block.
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These are the stories
that fuel your nightmares,
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and these are the places
that fuel your nightmares.
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Joshua:
So why are you here tonight?
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You hear stories.
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We just want to see
what it's about, I guess.
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Joshua: What do you guys
expect to find out here?
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People who died here
are supposed to be the ghosts.
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Joshua: You believe
that there are devil worshipers
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in the woods here?
- Oh yeah, I do, I do.
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Somebody said they were doing
freaky experiments
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and crap like that.
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Joshua: Why do we believe
these urban legends?
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Maybe we need to believe
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because the reality is too much
for some of us to bear.
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An old legend that actually
happened this time...
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- Many more cases
of contaminated treats...
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Female voice:
I know she suffered, a lot.
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Voice on tape:
He pulled a knife
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and tied me up
with electrical tape.
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Oh, God.
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Joshua: And so instead,
we created our own monsters.
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News reporter 1: The
36-year-old building contractor
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who reportedly dressed
like a clown...
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News reporter 2:
At least three young boys
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buried under his house.
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Joshua:
And maybe that's because
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the truth is more terrifying
than we could ever imagine.
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- I got seven down
and ( Indistinct ).
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Seven down!
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I've got a child victim...
I need rescue.
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Joshua: For Rachel and me,
this is an attempt
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to uncover the source
of our nightmares
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as we pull back the curtains
on what it is we all fear...
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because urban legends,
as scary as they may be,
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are really just warnings for
something much more dangerous...
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the reality that may have
started it all.
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The hook is one of the oldest
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and also one of the scariest
urban legends.
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A teenage couple
are making out in their car
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while parked at a lover's Lane.
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As the two are
about to go all the way,
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the radio interrupts them.
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( Background on radio )
...Are killed by an LA gunman...
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Joshua: A crazed maniac
with a hook for a hand
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has escaped
from the local insane asylum.
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The frightened girl
demands to go home
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as the frustrated boy
guns the engine.
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Later, as the boyfriend
goes to open his date's door,
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he sees dangling
from the door handle,
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the maniac's bloody hook,
ripped from the socket.
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The hook urban legend
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probably came to be
in the mid-1950s.
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One of the interesting
appearances of the hook
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was in November 1960
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when it actually appeared
in the dear Abby column,
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and it's something that a
lot of people would have read.
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Joshua: But dear Abby
wasn't warning teenagers
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about escaped madmen
with hooks for hands.
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Urban legends
are more mysterious than that
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and never quite so literal.
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Despite its name,
the hook is a cautionary tale
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warning teenagers everywhere
about the dangers of sex.
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Stephen winick: The hook
urban legend captured something
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in the era that people
were interested in.
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It captured a certain amount
of danger being involved
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in teenage sexual behavior
and in teenage car culture.
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Joshua: For the teenagers
in texarkana, Texas,
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this wasn't just
some cautionary tale.
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In the early spring of 1946,
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a masked man
known as the phantom
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attacked four couples,
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most of whom were parked
on lover's lanes.
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The attacks, which killed five,
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were said to coincide with
the full moon,
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hence the nickname
the moonlight murders.
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And although there were
numerous suspects,
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the phantom was never caught,
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allowing his enduring legacy
to haunt this town
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for more than six decades.
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So this is South robeson
and this old highway 67.
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The murder site
is somewhere around here,
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but that's what we've got to
kind of figure out.
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Joshua: It was a rainy
Sunday morning on march 24
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when a passing motorist noticed
Richard Griffin's oldsmobile
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parked on a lover's Lane
off highway 67.
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Inside he found Griffin, age 29,
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and Polly Ann Moore, 17,
lying in the backseat.
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Both had been shot
in the back of the head.
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Joshua: Hey, guys,
how are you doing?
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Rachel:
What we're doing is
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we're investigating
the phantom killer.
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They had a lot of speculations
on who did it,
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but it was never...
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no one was ever
brought to justice.
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Did you hear stories growing up?
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All I ever heard was
don't go to spring lake park.
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Really?
Uh-hm.
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Why?
It's kind of
creepy out there,
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so we were always afraid
to go there.
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Joshua:
But did you still go?
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No.
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Joshua:
We're having a little trouble
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finding out where the area is
because everything's changed.
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Well, I can take you
out there to the road
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and point to almost the spot.
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Right about there.
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Uh-huh.
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Joshua:
On that side?
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On that side.
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Joshua: Like the couple
in the urban legend,
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Griffin and Moore
had been attacked
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while parked on lover's Lane,
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highlighting the warning
behind this campfire tale,
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but what the residents
in texarkana didn't know...
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because it wasn't reported
in the papers...
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were the horrific details
behind this real-life crime.
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They had found evidence
of blood and a blanket...
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Uh-hm.
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And they believe
that she was raped
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out in front of the car
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and then put back in the car.
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James Presley:
The first double murder
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didn't cause
a lot of excitement.
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All kinds of crimes
were going on in texarkana,
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but they didn't recognize
until sometime later
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that this is a different
kind of crime.
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The term "serial killer"
wasn't in vogue then...
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And no one recognized
this as a serial killing.
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The main suspect
was youell swinney
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who was an ex-convict.
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Joshua: Youell swinney
and his newlywed bride,
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a former prostitute named Peggy,
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had been arrested
for stealing cars.
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Under questioning,
the wife confessed
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that her husband
was the phantom,
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but refused to sign a statement.
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Although the case
quickly fell apart,
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the judge still sent swinney
away for life
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as a habitual car thief.
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No evidence directly
correlating...
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James:
No physical evidence.
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They had his wife's statement,
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but they could not use that
without her permission.
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There had been a lot of
other suspects, hundreds.
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People had theories
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and all kinds of rumors
had been bouncing around,
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but it's normal in any event,
especially when there's mystery
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as there was always mystery
in this one.
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Texarkana is nothing
like other towns.
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It seems to be wallowing
in the notoriety.
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Documentary team in town
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to shoot a part
of texarkana history.
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This week,
some texarkana residents
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will have the chance
to appear onscreen
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in a documentary film
of the phantom killer.
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So what should we make
of all this?
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The conclusion is simple...
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texarkana will never
escape its past.
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We should give up trying.
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Joshua: It was a half moon
on February 22
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when Jimmy Hollis, age 24,
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and Mary Jeanne larey, 19,
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were attacked
on a secluded
lover's Lane.
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Both survived after a car
scared the assailant away.
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Around midnight,
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Mary Jeanne larey
and Jimmy Hollis
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were making out
in the front seat of their car.
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All of a sudden,
a guy appears with a gun,
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wearing a mask over his head,
white,
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two holes cut out
for eyes and mouth.
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He tells her to run.
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He chases her down
and then starts to attack her,
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basically sexually assaults her
with the barrel of his gun.
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She said she'd much rather
have been killed like the others
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than to have been left
the way she was.
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Joshua: While the attacks
on lover's lanes in texarkana
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didn't specifically
involve a hook,
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the phantom's sickening crimes
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created an equally horrifying
metaphor.
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Stephen: One of the victims
was actually sexually assaulted
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with the barrel of a gun,
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and so we have the idea
of a foreign metal object
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being used in this way
which seems to be
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psychologically
behind the idea of the hook.
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In the hook story,
we have the hook
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about to penetrate the car
when the boy drives away
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and the hook is then ripped
from the hand of the murderer.
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So we have the idea
of penetration
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with a foreign metal object
as already part of that story,
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and that in fact happened
in the texarkana cases.
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Joshua: But the sexual assault
was only part
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of the phantom's
trademark signature.
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These two people
are the only ones
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who ever saw the phantom.
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Both... wearing masks.
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Joshua: Right, they both said
the guy was wearing a mask.
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So this is the whole thing,
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where the whole white
mask thing came from.
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The phantom's disguise
was another chilling detail
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as it also helped to popularize
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the most widely known
retelling of the murders
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in the 1976 cult classic,
"the town that dreaded sundown."
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The movie was thought to be
one of the first slasher films,
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having predated Halloween
by two years,
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and its take on the phantom
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would influence generations
of cinematic boogeymen.
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The director,
Charles b. Pierce,
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blurred the lines
between fact and fiction
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by telling the film
in full documentary style.
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Charles b. Pierce:
It was Sunday, march 3, 1946...
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the beginning of
a reign of terror
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for the people of texarkana,
a terror so indelibly imprinted
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that today, people
still speak of it fearfully...
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only the names
have been changed.
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Casey Roberts: Now I think
everybody in texarkana
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knows about the story
of the phantom killer,
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but there's a lot of
intermingling
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of facts and legend
between the movie
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and the actual
phantom killer case.
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Joshua:
This is Casey Roberts,
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media manager
at Texas a&m, texarkana.
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He's done extensive research
on the crimes
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and brought us
to one of the locations where
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"the town that dreaded sundown"
was filmed.
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A lot the... kind of landmarks
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from both the original case
of the phantom killer
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and the movie
the town that dreaded sundown
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have gone away over the years,
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and this particular house here
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was used in one of
the big scenes.
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Joshua:
It was Friday, may 3,
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when Virgil and Katie starks
were attacked in
their farmhouse
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just outside of town.
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Virgil was shot
and killed in his armchair...
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( Gunshot )
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( Scream )
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While Katie, shot in the face,
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ran out of the house.
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Everybody seems convinced
that youell swinney is the guy,
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but you're saying...
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Youell swinney would have
been easy to pin it on,
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and they needed to
pin it on somebody.
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The one person that...
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I haven't been satisfied
he was cleared...
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was a young man
that committed suicide
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and left a note saying
that he was the phantom killer.
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It's just part of the legend...
the son of a prominent family,
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and it had the connections to,
you know,
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cover up his dirty deed.
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Joshua: Hoping to dig up
more information,
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we went searching
through the microfiche
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of the texarkana gazette.
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Promising lead proves dud.
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So this is the mention
of that, youell swinney.
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The officer had been
trying to validate
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the story of a woman.
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The woman's statement
followed so closely
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to the known facts of the case
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that they are almost positive
that she was telling the truth,
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and at one point,
they were almost to the point
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of announcing a break
in the case.
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Subsequently, however,
the woman said
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that neither she nor her husband
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had anything to do
with the slayings.
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It's interesting.
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So they don't call him
the phantom at all in this,
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but we just saw, literally,
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the advertisement
in the newspaper
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for the movie that is showing,
the phantom speaks.
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This is the movie
that they theoretically
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pulled the name from,
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and right here at the newspaper,
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one of the guys said,
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'well, why don't we call him
something...'
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we need to call him something,
let's call him the phantom.
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We had just witnessed
an important step
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in the creation
of any urban legend...
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the naming of the boogeyman.
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Bill Ellis: One of the roles
that urban legends play...
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and this is
an ancient function...
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is that they will put
a name on something
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that gives people
fears or anxieties.
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That gives the person
some feeling of control.
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So give the murderer a name...
he's the phantom murderer.
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Joshua: The mask,
the movie, the phantom.
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These were the crucial elements
that would help create
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texarkana's very own
urban legend...
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a legend that would only
continue to grow
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with screenings of
"the town that dreaded sundown"
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held every year in
texarkana's spring lake park.
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All of this area was part
of spring lake park...
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At the time and this is where...
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a couple of the places
where the murders happened.
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That was where lover's Lane was.
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You basically
set up the screening
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that you have of
the town that dreaded sundown
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at spring lake park.
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Yes, we do it every October,
and because of the history,
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we like the idea of having this
out at spring lake park
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since that's where some of
the murders take place at.
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We started getting
some phone calls saying
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that they didn't think
it was right,
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that there were
still families in town...
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That, you know,
that were affected by this.
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The police concern was
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that it was going to
cause somebody else
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to have the idea
to start doing it again.
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A film crew was in town
last month...
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And there's a new movie
being made?
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What we've heard is
that it was actually a remake
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of 'the town
that dreaded sundowns .'
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it's you know, just probably
a more modern version of it.
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I've heard that the storyline
of the movie
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is about a copycat
that comes out
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from the screenings
that happened at spring lake.
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00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:55,146
Are you serious?
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That's the first
I've heard about that.
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00:16:57,617 --> 00:17:01,753
Well, you know,
imitation of life, I guess.
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00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:04,088
Joshua: While it may seem
shocking to some,
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the screenings
at spring lake park
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were especially appropriate
because it was here on April 14
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where the phantom
turned larger than life.
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Four hundred yards
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from the entrance
to spring lake park...
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where the sign is...
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they found
Paul Martin's car empty.
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In yet another attack,
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not only had the phantom
murdered two teenagers
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in the center of town,
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but their deaths
would incite a panic
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that would grip texarkana
and never let go.
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Betty Jo booker, age 15,
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was a saxophonist
for a high school band
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called the rhythmaires
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that played weekend shows
at the local vfw.
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At 1:30 A.M.
that Saturday night,
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she left with a
childhood friend
named Paul Martin, age 16,
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who was supposed to drop
her off at a slumber party.
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Rachel: Paul's body was found
lying on its left side.
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Blood was found further down
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on the other side of the road
by a fence.
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Right over here,
Paul Martin's body was found.
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He had been shot twice,
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and then he crawled
across the street, over to here,
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and then whoever did it
shot him again twice.
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They said he put up a struggle.
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He had a bullet
through his hand...
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Right.
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Raised his hand,
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probably begged
not to be killed, and then...
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They found him
at 6:30 in the morning.
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Betty Jo booker
was nowhere around.
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Joshua:
Although supposedly
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only the names had been changed
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in the town
that dreaded sundown,
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one of the most egregious
fictionalizations
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had Betty Jo booker
playing the trombone
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00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:42,086
instead of the saxophone,
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00:18:42,088 --> 00:18:45,289
the reason being to show
a more terrifying demise.
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00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:45,289
The scene was so memorable,
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00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:50,628
some people in town actually
think that's how she died.
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00:18:53,565 --> 00:18:56,634
( Grunts and groans )
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00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,640
The actual site
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of where Betty Jo booker's
body was found,
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along the edge
of a forgotten road,
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had eluded many.
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Lost in time
when a section of the park
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was turned into housing,
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00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:15,586
this was one mystery
we were determined to solve.
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Rachel:
She was found two Miles away
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from Martin's body.
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Joshua:
The road's closed.
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Here's where we think
this road continues on.
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See that line
between those two trees?
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Totally.
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That's the road
that's been overgrown.
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( Whispers )
Keep that flashlight down.
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00:19:34,607 --> 00:19:35,907
Just turn it down.
425
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:39,912
Look at that.
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This looked exactly like
the older road.
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00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:44,448
It is the old road basically
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00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,817
that we just went through
somebody's backyard to get to.
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00:19:53,425 --> 00:19:54,592
( Shrieks )
430
00:19:54,594 --> 00:19:55,560
Rachel:
What is it?
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00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:56,842
Joshua:
It's a big spider web...
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It's halfway between
the two ends.
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00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:06,737
This is Betty Jo booker,
15 years old.
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Rachel: Shot twice,
once to the left rib
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and once in the face,
to the left cheek.
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00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,211
Joshua: Well, she's fully
clothed...
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00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:15,346
Rachel:
Fully clothed, yeah.
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00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,548
Joshua: Her overcoat
has been buttoned up,
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and her hand
was put in her pocket.
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00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:25,489
Rachel:
Strange.
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00:20:25,491 --> 00:20:27,291
See that picture for a second?
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00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:36,834
Joshua:
Doesn't it look like it?
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00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,669
It must.
444
00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,938
Joshua: Like if you're
looking at it like that,
445
00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,473
add 60 years.
446
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:47,545
Joshua: It could be.
447
00:20:47,782 --> 00:20:48,981
I feel bad, though.
448
00:20:48,982 --> 00:20:54,719
You know, we're never going to
really know who killed her.
449
00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,696
Joshua: What happened to
Paul Martin and Betty Jo booker
450
00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:08,032
out on these roads
over 60 years ago
451
00:21:08,034 --> 00:21:09,667
was horrific enough.
452
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:11,636
Their deaths
didn't need to be rewritten
453
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:14,505
for more blood or Gore.
454
00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:17,842
Coming out here, you realize
that real life is just as scary
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00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:22,380
as any horror film...
and sometimes even more.
456
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,888
This is Marc bledsoe,
a former probation officer
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00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:32,490
who was obsessed with the case
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and conducted his own
investigation.
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00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:37,028
I developed a passion,
I guess in the '90s.
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00:21:37,030 --> 00:21:40,898
I saw the film, of course,
when I was a seventh grader,
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00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,366
and I was pretty scared
462
00:21:42,368 --> 00:21:44,335
because of the way
the film ends.
463
00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:44,335
It shows the boots
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and said he could still
be walking the town.
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00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,773
I wanted to know
what the truth was.
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00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:52,343
Joshua: Bledsoe was one of
the only people
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00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:55,813
to interview youell swinney
in recent years.
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00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,615
Swinney, who was out of jail
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00:21:57,617 --> 00:21:59,350
and living in
a Texas nursing home,
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had suffered a stroke
the year before,
471
00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:03,888
making his speech
difficult to decipher.
472
00:22:11,596 --> 00:22:13,030
Fifty... sixty years?
473
00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:18,502
But she said you and her
were together
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00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:19,737
at spring lake park.
475
00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:20,739
Hear that?
476
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:24,141
They drove out there together
at spring lake.
What did he say?
477
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,451
Rachel:
No, I wasn't.
478
00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:34,952
Mark: Who do you think
was the main...
479
00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:36,987
I don't know.
480
00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:41,092
You wish they'd catch him.
481
00:22:41,094 --> 00:22:42,793
Rachel:
Hm, interesting.
482
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,508
Hi. I just wanted
to check one thing.
483
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:59,377
They told me
you all were videotaping?
484
00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:01,445
Have you all signed the thing?
485
00:23:01,447 --> 00:23:02,480
Rachel:
Ugh!
486
00:23:02,482 --> 00:23:04,448
( Background talk )
487
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,983
I feel like
there was more there.
488
00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:07,118
( Groans )
489
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,354
( Background talk )
490
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:11,922
Joshua:
Despite being so close,
491
00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:13,657
we still didn't have
an answer as to who
492
00:23:13,659 --> 00:23:17,628
the phantom really was...
and we probably never will.
493
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:19,497
TV narrator: What happened
to the phantom killer
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00:23:19,499 --> 00:23:21,799
no one really knows.
495
00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,769
Some believe he was convicted
of another crime,
496
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:29,073
and today he is still serving
his term in a Kansas prison.
497
00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:30,808
Joshua:
It's these lack of answers
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00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:32,810
that allows a legend to endure
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00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,579
for the teenagers in texarkana.
500
00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:36,914
So, what do you think
the next chapter is
501
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:37,916
in that legend?
502
00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,384
Probably more ghost stories,
503
00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:45,656
maybe more kids
trying to scare other kids.
504
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:48,025
Do you think it will ever end?
505
00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:50,027
I think eventually
it will fade out,
506
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:52,530
but I wouldn't be able to say
for how long.
507
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:55,399
I mean, legends
last for a long time.
508
00:23:55,401 --> 00:23:56,400
Joshua:
So this is the tree where,
509
00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:58,502
because of the movies,
some people think
510
00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:02,440
Betty Jo booker was actually
killed with the trombone.
511
00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:05,109
I think why this is so
kind of important
512
00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:09,647
is because so many people
believed the fiction,
513
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,048
and the fiction became reality,
514
00:24:11,050 --> 00:24:11,949
and in this town...
515
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:14,151
I really think
what's interesting is...
516
00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:15,619
they can't separate the two.
517
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,521
Well, I think it's more
romantic, though,
518
00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:17,521
to believe in the myth
519
00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:21,192
than to have the facts
in front of you.
520
00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:22,693
Joshua: You have the
whole town coming out
521
00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:26,664
and watching a fictionalized
version of that,
522
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,732
and that's just like little kids
523
00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:32,636
telling a fictionalized version
of what really happened.
524
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,905
That's what an urban legend is.
525
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:37,641
Where does the truth end
and the fiction begin?
526
00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:40,211
At this point,
no one quite knows.
527
00:24:40,213 --> 00:24:43,581
Narrator: Texarkana today still
looks pretty much the same,
528
00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:45,783
and if you should ask people
here on the streets
529
00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:49,186
what they believe happened
to the phantom killer,
530
00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:51,989
most would say
that he is still living here
531
00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:55,593
and is walking free.
532
00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:15,980
So right now,
we're driving into Houston.
533
00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:18,249
We're going to investigate
the urban legend
534
00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:20,050
of the candy man.
535
00:25:20,052 --> 00:25:21,585
Joshua:
The name candy man
536
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,854
has a lot of
urban legend references.
537
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:26,924
Obviously, one of the most
well-known is the film Candyman
538
00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:29,059
based on the clive barker
short story
539
00:25:29,061 --> 00:25:32,229
about an urban legend expert
investigating the boogeyman
540
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:36,867
who haunts the cabrini-green
housing projects in Chicago.
541
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,703
Voice:
With my hook for a hand,
542
00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:44,542
I'll split you from your groin
to your gullet.
543
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:46,610
( Screams and grunts )
544
00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,112
Joshua: Here the Candyman
uses a hook,
545
00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,214
just like the well-known
hook urban legend
546
00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:52,616
where it was probably
appropriated from,
547
00:25:52,618 --> 00:25:54,952
but the film's villain
wasn't the first candy man.
548
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:54,952
The original was, in fact,
549
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:59,723
a very real monster behind
one of the most horrific crimes
550
00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:01,926
anyone could ever imagine.
551
00:26:03,828 --> 00:26:06,630
Rachel: We've all heard the
same story about Halloween.
552
00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:09,133
Little Johnny had been warned
never to go trick-or-treating
553
00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:12,836
at any house he didn't know,
but he didn't listen.
554
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:14,672
Instead, he convinces
his friends
555
00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,608
to go get candy
from this one weird house.
556
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:18,642
Later that night,
557
00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:20,711
as they're all digging
through their loot,
558
00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:22,613
there's this scream.
559
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:24,214
All the kids
are rushed to the hospital,
560
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:25,983
but it's too late.
561
00:26:25,985 --> 00:26:29,053
Johnny's dead from eating
candy laced with poison,
562
00:26:29,055 --> 00:26:32,022
and all the other kids
had their mouths ripped open
563
00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:34,725
from swallowing
razor blades and glass.
564
00:26:34,727 --> 00:26:36,827
They never did catch
the person who did it.
565
00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:39,096
Turns out, Halloween
really comes from
566
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:42,766
the ancient custom of druids
collecting kids for sacrifices,
567
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,636
and apparently these murders
were committed by those
568
00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,072
who still carry on
that evil tradition.
569
00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:51,909
Joshua: So does our modern-day
custom of trick-or-treating
570
00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:55,846
really stem from evil druids
and child sacrifices?
571
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,315
It's highly unlikely,
but there's no denying
572
00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,985
that something very sinister
is out there
573
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:04,989
instilling panic and inciting
fear every Halloween.
574
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:06,957
Female narrator:
There's one magical,
575
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:11,729
haunted evening each year
when all the scary creatures
576
00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,164
come out to prowl through
every neighborhood.
577
00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,233
Most people enjoy having
trick-or-treaters
578
00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:17,534
come to their doors,
579
00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:22,906
but there are a few people who
will do things to hurt kids.
580
00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:25,175
Joshua: The first documented
case of tainted candy
581
00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:28,078
happened on long island in 1964
582
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,147
when a housewife
named Helen pfeil,
583
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,249
upset with older kids
for trick-or-treating,
584
00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:35,052
handed out dog biscuits,
steel wool,
585
00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:36,954
and poison ant buttons.
586
00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,223
Although pfeil testified
that it was just a joke,
587
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:42,326
she was still found guilty
of endangering children.
588
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,962
This fear really took root
in the 1970s
589
00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,830
when outlets like newsweek
were reporting
590
00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:51,001
that several children had died
from poison or tainted candy.
591
00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:53,971
Some schools stopped
celebrating Halloween.
592
00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:56,407
They stopped using the word
"Halloween",
593
00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:59,743
and they start talking
about having a fall festival.
594
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:05,249
New Jersey passed a law of
specifying penalties for people
595
00:28:05,251 --> 00:28:08,218
who were caught contaminating
Halloween treats.
596
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:13,323
In the 1980s, hospitals
began offering X-ray treats.
597
00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,259
Announcer: All nextcare urgent
care locations
598
00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:18,796
are offering free candy x-rays
through tomorrow.
599
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:18,796
We haven't had any instances
600
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:22,099
where we found
any tampered candy,
601
00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:22,099
but you read it in the news
602
00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:25,402
and you see all of these
crazy pictures online,
603
00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,271
and so, you know,
if I were a parent,
604
00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:29,873
I would be a little bit
concerned as well.
605
00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:34,678
Joel: We don't worry about
ghosts and goblins anymore,
606
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,180
but we fear this maniac,
607
00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:40,284
this anonymous person
who is so crazy
608
00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:47,124
that he presumably poisons
little children at random.
609
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:47,124
( Background talking )
610
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:50,461
I think about how much fun
Halloween is.
611
00:28:50,463 --> 00:28:53,097
I also worry a little bit
about the things
612
00:28:53,099 --> 00:28:55,899
that can spoil
the fun of Halloween.
613
00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,803
Those kinds of things scare me,
too, but in a different way.
614
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,073
Joshua:
The one case of tainted candy
615
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,809
that seemed to bring
this nightmare to life
616
00:29:05,811 --> 00:29:09,446
happened on a rainy Halloween
night in Pasadena, Texas.
617
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,148
The perpetrator
of this evil crime
618
00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:14,852
is known to some
as the man who killed Halloween
619
00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:19,189
and to others as simply
the candy man.
620
00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:21,959
On October 31, 1974,
621
00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,895
after trick-or-treating
with their friends,
the bateses,
622
00:29:24,897 --> 00:29:27,865
Ronald o'Bryan let his son
Timothy, age 8,
623
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,867
and his sister Elizabeth, 5,
624
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:32,503
each pick out a piece of candy
before bed.
625
00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:35,205
Timothy, still wearing his
planet of the apes costume,
626
00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:37,007
chose a giant pixy styx,
627
00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:38,776
one of five
that his father had gotten
628
00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:40,778
from a neighborhood house
that night.
629
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,080
Ronald had divvyed up
the other styx to his daughter,
630
00:29:43,082 --> 00:29:44,348
one of the bates' kids,
631
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,017
and a local boy
named Whitney Parker.
632
00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:48,752
The sugar inside
had clumped together,
633
00:29:48,754 --> 00:29:50,854
so Ronald rolled the styx
in his hands
634
00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:53,524
before pouring the powder
down his son's throat.
635
00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:56,160
Minutes later,
Timothy was violently vomiting,
636
00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:58,095
and after being rushed
to the hospital,
637
00:29:58,097 --> 00:30:00,030
he was pronounced dead.
638
00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:02,533
The cause...
cyanide poisoning.
639
00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:06,036
I was off duty at the time
on Halloween night
640
00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:09,840
when I received a call
from one of my detectives.
641
00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:11,775
I drove to southmore hospital,
642
00:30:11,777 --> 00:30:14,144
and what I saw
was very, very disturbing...
643
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:17,414
not only because there was
a child there that was dead
644
00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:20,884
that had cyanide foam
coming out of his mouth,
645
00:30:20,886 --> 00:30:25,088
but it was a small,
blond-headed young boy,
646
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:26,290
and I looked at this child...
647
00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:30,060
and I had at the time
a small, blond-headed,
648
00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:33,363
eight-year-old son
lying in a bed in my home...
649
00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:38,468
and it absolutely
just almost destroyed you
650
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,038
to see something like that.
651
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,372
Joshua: Had you ever heard
of the idea of
652
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,808
candy tampering before that?
653
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:45,809
Ed:
I had heard about it...
654
00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:47,411
I had never seen it personally,
655
00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:51,849
but you know, you're always
concerned on Halloween,
656
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:56,019
and the next night
we had a grieving father,
657
00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:59,356
a grieving mother,
and a grieving little sister.
658
00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:01,992
I put my arm around
Mr. o'Bryan's shoulder
659
00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:06,029
and I promised him,
"I promise you we will catch
660
00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:08,866
this individual
that did this to your son."
661
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:12,169
Joshua: Timothy's death
was a terrible blow,
662
00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:15,339
not just for the family,
but for many in Pasadena.
663
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:17,407
As crowds of o'Bryan's
fellow churchgoers
664
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:19,176
flooded the cemetery,
665
00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:22,246
Timothy's father quickly
reduced the mourners to tears
666
00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:26,850
as he sang a hymn for the boy
who was now in heaven.
667
00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,319
I introduced myself
to Mr. o'Bryan
668
00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:32,222
and said I'm a reporter
for the Houston chronicle.
669
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,158
Is Mrs. o'Bryan
available to talk?
670
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,095
He said, you know,
she's really, as we all are,
671
00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:41,098
just torn up about this,
but if you want to talk,
672
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,301
come on in,
and I'll try to talk to you.
673
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:47,271
And he said, you know,
I held my son in my arms
674
00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:51,341
while he died, and I cried.
675
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,977
I thought
that they had been victimized
676
00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:57,881
by a random crazy man, lunatic.
677
00:31:57,883 --> 00:32:01,652
The original suspects
were people in Pasadena
678
00:32:01,654 --> 00:32:04,655
who were living inhabitants
of the homes
679
00:32:04,657 --> 00:32:07,524
where they did
the trick-or-treat.
680
00:32:07,526 --> 00:32:09,493
Rachel:
4108, 4106,
681
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:12,229
-102.
682
00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:14,264
Joshua:
Right here.
683
00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:15,666
4102.
684
00:32:15,668 --> 00:32:17,901
So right here
is the bates' house
685
00:32:17,903 --> 00:32:21,571
from where o'Bryan
and the bateses
686
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,407
both went trick-or-treating.
687
00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:24,608
Joshua:
After the funeral,
688
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:27,144
the police took o'Bryan around
the bates' neighborhood,
689
00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:28,378
but he couldn't
remember the house
690
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:30,314
where he had gotten
the pixy styk.
691
00:32:30,316 --> 00:32:34,017
Finally, he ID'd a neighbor
named Courtney Melvin.
692
00:32:34,019 --> 00:32:37,454
Ten, right here
where this blue car is.
693
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:39,923
This is Courtney Melvin's place,
694
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:43,026
so basically Courtney
was out on his lawn.
695
00:32:43,028 --> 00:32:45,495
O'Bryan was driving by,
fingered this guy
696
00:32:45,497 --> 00:32:48,498
as being the person
where he got the pixy styx.
697
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,933
The only problem being
698
00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:52,536
Courtney Melvin
had an airtight alibi.
699
00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:57,007
As the killer continued
to elude police,
700
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:57,007
the nature of his crime
701
00:32:57,009 --> 00:33:01,278
only seemed to confirm
everyone's worst fears...
702
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,447
a fear that still
resonates today.
703
00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:05,415
Do you know about the crime
that happened?
704
00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,318
Oh, yes, you're talking about
the candy man.
705
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Joshua:
Yeah.
706
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,054
Uh-hm.
It was the first time
707
00:33:11,056 --> 00:33:13,090
that I heard of people
doing that...
708
00:33:13,092 --> 00:33:15,726
And then I heard of them
putting more cyanide
709
00:33:15,728 --> 00:33:17,394
and razor blades.
710
00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:19,062
I've heard fish hooks.
711
00:33:19,064 --> 00:33:21,498
The way society is getting
right now, I mean,
712
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:21,498
you don't ever know
what's going to happen.
713
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:26,436
I'm like, nope, no candy until
I look, you know, through it.
714
00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,437
Rachel:
What are you looking for?
715
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,239
You know, an open wrapper,
716
00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:31,575
just seeing if anything
has a hole in it.
717
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:32,676
You don't trust nobody.
718
00:33:32,678 --> 00:33:34,578
- Joshua: Yeah.
- Can't.
719
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,179
I actually heard
about some guy doing it
720
00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:37,447
in this neighborhood one time,
but...
721
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:37,447
What's that story.
722
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:41,318
I think he actually lived
over there by the ditch.
723
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,354
And they do all sacrifice crap
over there during Halloween.
724
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:46,423
Do you think there are
satanists around?
725
00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,591
There probably is.
726
00:33:47,593 --> 00:33:49,192
I mean, knowing this
neighborhood...
727
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:50,560
there are sickos around here.
728
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:50,560
On t.V:
Tonight is Halloween
729
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:54,464
and children will be out
to trick-or-treat.
730
00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,767
We hope that the treats
will be many
731
00:33:56,769 --> 00:33:58,335
and the tricks ingenious.
732
00:33:58,337 --> 00:34:00,137
But sometimes
people give children
733
00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:02,339
bad things on Halloween.
734
00:34:02,341 --> 00:34:02,339
In shreveport, Louisiana,
735
00:34:02,341 --> 00:34:06,309
an old legend that actually
happened this time.
736
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:06,309
Halloween is on Sunday,
737
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,312
and there is a spreading fear
that this year,
738
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:09,312
the real Halloween scare
739
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:14,051
will be many more cases
of contaminated treats.
740
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:17,654
Joel: The term that gets used
is "Halloween sadist".
741
00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:20,090
People assume
that the Halloween sadist
742
00:34:20,092 --> 00:34:24,094
was some crazy person who,
for some reason...
743
00:34:24,096 --> 00:34:28,065
presumably you know,
some psychological problem...
744
00:34:28,067 --> 00:34:32,135
gets pleasure or satisfaction
from hurting little kids.
745
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:34,639
Joshua:
Many people believe
746
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,675
the Halloween sadist
was behind Timothy's death,
747
00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:41,078
but the real culprit
was more horrific
748
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,813
than anyone had ever imagined.
749
00:34:46,317 --> 00:34:49,252
It's down here,
I think, on the left.
750
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,823
All right, so gray,
how do you want to do this?
751
00:34:52,825 --> 00:34:54,324
I'll just, I'll hang back here.
752
00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:56,193
Joshua: Okay.
So we're going to go up.
753
00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:57,594
I'm not totally into this.
754
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:57,594
I can understand.
755
00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,664
I can understand
why you'd want to do this...
756
00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:00,664
Joshua:
Yeah.
757
00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:03,500
It just makes me feel
a little uncomfortable.
758
00:35:03,502 --> 00:35:03,500
Knocking on someone's house
759
00:35:03,502 --> 00:35:07,337
and telling them
what tragedy happened here.
760
00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:08,940
Joshua: Well, you wouldn't
want to know?
761
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:15,679
Oh, hey, how are you?
762
00:35:15,681 --> 00:35:15,679
Hi, how are you?
763
00:35:15,681 --> 00:35:19,216
Hey, sorry to bother you.
We wanted to talk to you.
764
00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,318
We're doing a documentary
and wanted to talk to you
765
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,353
about the family
that lived here before.
766
00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,355
Do you know him?
767
00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:25,422
Do you know
Ronald Clark o'Bryan?
768
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:26,424
Woman:
Uh-uh.
769
00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:28,492
No, you have no idea about him?
770
00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:32,496
Nah, don't worry about it.
771
00:35:33,431 --> 00:35:33,430
Thanks very much.
772
00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:37,334
You want to know?
Do you really want to know?
773
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,668
Do you really want to know?
774
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,470
So the guy who lived in here
775
00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,739
was a guy named
Ronald Clark o'Bryan.
776
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:44,641
He gave his son
a poison pixy styk.
777
00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:48,145
Yeah.
He killed...
778
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,148
That's right.
779
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:54,818
News reader on t.V:
On Halloween night,
780
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:57,754
eight-year-old Timothy o'Bryan
of Pasadena, Texas,
781
00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,490
died after eating a piece of
trick-or-treat candy
782
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,159
that contained cyanide.
783
00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,761
Today Pasadena police arrested
the boy's father,
784
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:07,330
30-year-old Ronald o'Bryan,
on murder charges.
785
00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:09,132
Police refused to
discuss the case
786
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:10,901
other than to say
the district attorney believes
787
00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:14,337
he has sufficient evidence
to file charges.
788
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,142
Joshua: After receiving a call
from an insurance agent,
789
00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:21,745
police discovered o'Bryan
had taken out a large policy
790
00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:25,382
on his kids but not himself
nor his wife.
791
00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:25,382
Even more damning,
792
00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:29,386
he had talked to
numerous people
about death by cyanide
793
00:36:29,388 --> 00:36:31,288
and had even tried
to buy the chemical
794
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:32,689
from local companies.
795
00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:36,693
All evidence pointed
to Timothy's father
796
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,629
as the killer which,
as horrific as it sounds,
797
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,364
makes some sense,
798
00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,401
and that's because
the Halloween sadist is a myth,
799
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,902
and the notion
of candy tampering
800
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,739
is really an urban legend.
801
00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:52,475
The idea that this is
a big social problem is a myth.
802
00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:54,744
I can't tell you
nobody has ever contaminated
803
00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:56,346
a piece of candy,
804
00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,952
but I can't find any evidence
that anybody has ever been hurt,
805
00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:05,488
seriously hurt or killed,
from a contaminated treat
806
00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:07,390
picked up in the course of
trick-or-treating.
807
00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:08,391
Joshua:
If there's no such thing
808
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,626
as the Halloween sadist,
809
00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:12,562
who is, in fact, doing that?
810
00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,331
( Chuckles ) Probably the kids.
811
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,198
If you think about it,
812
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,567
this is a terrific
kind of prank.
813
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,903
It's easy enough
to come by a pin,
814
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,405
easy enough to stick it
in the candy bar,
815
00:37:22,407 --> 00:37:24,908
and then run in and say,
look mom,
816
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:26,810
there's a pin in my candy bar...
817
00:37:26,812 --> 00:37:29,779
and you become the object
of the concerned attention
818
00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,983
of your parents
and possibly even the press
819
00:37:32,985 --> 00:37:34,384
and the police.
820
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,355
Joshua: While the fear of
tainted candy may be hysteria,
821
00:37:38,357 --> 00:37:40,557
Timothy's death was real...
822
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,292
but was it really conceivable
823
00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:43,994
that a father could kill
his own child...
824
00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:49,366
and if so, what kind of monster
was Ronald Clark o'Bryan?
825
00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:52,636
Look at that lying
son of a bitch.
826
00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,438
I thought just like Mr. o'Bryan
wanted us to think...
827
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,873
that there was some maniac
out there
828
00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:01,511
randomly giving these poison
pixy styx to little kids.
829
00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:03,313
That's exactly what
he wanted us to think,
830
00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:04,681
and that's what we thought.
831
00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:10,520
It's hard to accept
that a human being
832
00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:11,855
was willing to do that,
833
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:16,559
and it's still difficult
for all of us.
834
00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:21,798
The people in this case were
forever affected by what he did
835
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,734
and by that,
I mean the bates kids...
836
00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,704
he was going to kill
his friends own two kids...
837
00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:30,407
and little Whitney Parker,
838
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:30,407
and he would have
killed his daughter
839
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:34,544
if the ambulance and police
hadn't gotten there so fast.
840
00:38:34,546 --> 00:38:38,014
No good prosecutor wants to go
to trial at all on anything
841
00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:39,916
unless they believe
in their own heart
842
00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:43,053
that the defendant is guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt,
843
00:38:43,055 --> 00:38:45,655
and seeking the death penalty
is just an extra dimension
844
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:49,592
of care and consideration
that should be given.
845
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:50,727
You wanted to keep the case.
846
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:52,062
I sure did.
Why?
847
00:38:52,064 --> 00:38:53,496
I wanted to hopefully
have a hand
848
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:55,398
in seeing that justice was done
849
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,467
and that he would die
for what he did.
850
00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:01,304
Joshua:
It took a jury only 45 minutes
851
00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:03,039
to find o'Bryan guilty
852
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:06,343
and another 75
to sentence him to death.
853
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:06,343
In a fitting irony,
854
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:13,883
he was scheduled to die on
October 31, 1976, Halloween.
855
00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:15,985
Voice of o'Bryan: I have stated
from the very beginning
856
00:39:15,987 --> 00:39:19,556
that I had absolutely
nothing at all to do with this.
857
00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:21,391
I maintain that now,
858
00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:23,660
and I'll willing
to take a polygraph now,
859
00:39:23,662 --> 00:39:25,795
just like I was
from the very first time
860
00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:26,930
that they arrested me.
861
00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:26,930
Because I have no guilt,
862
00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:31,401
I'm not worried about what
happens to my physical body.
863
00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:34,437
When I die,
I know where I'm going.
864
00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:37,507
Mike: You're going straight
to hell, buddy.
865
00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,042
Interviewer: All these appeals
have been turned down
866
00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,845
appeal after appeal,
and everybody is saying
867
00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:43,346
you will be executed
this Saturday.
868
00:39:43,348 --> 00:39:45,815
This could be
your last news conference.
869
00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,884
What are your final thoughts?
870
00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:48,885
Voice of o'Bryan:
As long as I have
871
00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:51,855
verifiable options open to me,
872
00:39:51,857 --> 00:39:53,056
I will pursue them.
873
00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:56,059
Interviewer:
Are you ever going to change
874
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,561
your proclamation of innocence
or...
875
00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:01,097
Voice of o'Bryan: No,
why should I? It's the truth.
876
00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:02,766
When you consider victims,
877
00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:06,403
the victim of this crime
actually turns out to be me.
878
00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:08,071
Joshua:
O'Bryan had been sent
879
00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:11,674
to Texas's infamous
huntsville prison
880
00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:11,674
which to this day,
881
00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:15,812
houses the most active
death chamber in the us,
882
00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:17,514
but this was 1982,
883
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:19,783
and after a lengthy debate
in the supreme court
884
00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:21,684
and numerous stays of execution,
885
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:24,154
o'Bryan was to be one
of the very first inmates
886
00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:27,791
to be executed with
the reinstituted death penalty.
887
00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:29,492
Yet, despite his crime,
888
00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:32,395
o'Bryan still managed
to find his supporters.
889
00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:32,395
There were people
890
00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:38,067
who were in favor
of saving Ronald Clark o'Bryan
891
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,103
in spite of
the overwhelming evidence
892
00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,671
and the horror of the crime.
893
00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:43,039
Their position was
894
00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:46,810
we are categorically
opposed to the death penalty.
895
00:40:46,812 --> 00:40:49,045
There also were
counter-protestors
896
00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:51,548
who were in favor
of the death penalty.
897
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:53,516
They included a lot of students
898
00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:55,685
from the university located here
899
00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:58,154
including many who complained
900
00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,590
about what had happened
to Halloween.
901
00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:09,199
This is Ronald Clark o'Bryan.
902
00:41:09,201 --> 00:41:11,601
Mr. o'Bryan is 39 years old.
903
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:14,070
It looks like you are
going to be executed.
904
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:15,538
Would you agree with that?
905
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:16,973
It's a possibility.
906
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,675
I've been aware
of that possibility
907
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,010
since the sentence
was handed down.
908
00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:22,879
It doesn't make it right.
909
00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:22,879
It's fair to say
910
00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:26,549
that nobody gets any joy
out of executing anybody,
911
00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:28,885
but it is also clear
that most Americans
912
00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:31,154
want to get on with this.
913
00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:33,723
They are upset
that you're alive.
914
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:36,559
I-I can see that point, sure,
but here again,
915
00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:38,228
I don't think
that revenge is right.
916
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,530
I don't think society
is entitled to revenge.
917
00:41:40,532 --> 00:41:44,000
You are accused of ruining
Halloween for everybody.
918
00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,236
Well,
that's a matter of opinion.
919
00:41:46,238 --> 00:41:48,938
( Chuckles )
920
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:51,241
Joshua:
March 31, 1984,
921
00:41:51,243 --> 00:41:54,744
the day of o'Bryan's execution
had finally arrived.
922
00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,914
He was to be executed
just after midnight.
923
00:41:57,916 --> 00:42:00,583
As the hour approached,
the frenzy outside
924
00:42:00,585 --> 00:42:02,886
reached a fever pitch.
925
00:42:02,888 --> 00:42:04,954
News reporter: Demonstrators
were outside the prison
926
00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,857
waiting for the announcement
they wanted to hear.
927
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,994
Parents of other murdered
children joined the vigil.
928
00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,196
You know, how could anyone do
something to their own child?
929
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:14,197
News reporter:
Dying together.
930
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,598
What all of us would give
931
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800
to have the chance
to have ours back.
932
00:42:20,504 --> 00:42:22,972
Joshua: Do you think Halloween
will ever be the same again?
933
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:27,110
Oh, I don't think Halloween
has changed a great deal,
934
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,147
except maybe gotten
a little safer.
935
00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:35,084
Joshua:
At exactly 12:40 A.M.
936
00:42:35,086 --> 00:42:38,221
O'Bryan was injected with
a lethal cocktail of drugs,
937
00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:39,789
twice the normal amount,
938
00:42:39,791 --> 00:42:42,659
to account for
his 250-pound weight.
939
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:44,227
After o'Bryan's eyes fluttered,
940
00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:47,196
his chest heaved,
and it was over.
941
00:42:49,099 --> 00:42:50,166
News reader on t.V:
Ronald o'Bryan,
942
00:42:50,168 --> 00:42:52,635
the man fellow inmates
called the candy man,
943
00:42:52,637 --> 00:42:54,871
was killed by lethal injection
this morning
944
00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:56,673
at a huntsville, Texas, prison.
945
00:42:56,675 --> 00:42:58,841
On t.V: Ronald o'Bryan
went to his deathbed
946
00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,978
never admitting
that he killed his own son.
947
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:01,978
( Background conversation )
948
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:01,978
Susan:
But in a final statement,
949
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:06,783
the condemned man
did ask to be forgiven.
950
00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:09,819
Also to anyone
I have offended in any way
951
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:12,956
during my 39 years.
952
00:43:12,958 --> 00:43:15,024
I pray and ask your forgiveness,
953
00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:18,227
just as I forgive anyone
who offended me in any way.
954
00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:20,296
Susan:
Ronald o'Bryan is dead.
955
00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:24,067
His ex-wife sees the execution
as the end of a nightmare,
956
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:27,103
and a chance
for a brand new beginning.
957
00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:31,240
Joshua: For many the idea
that we were killing the man
958
00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:34,577
who killed Halloween
seemed justified.
959
00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:38,648
O'Bryan had to die
so we could have our fun back.
960
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,984
People were celebrating it,
there's no question about it,
961
00:43:40,986 --> 00:43:44,120
but it was
kind of a catharsis, really,
962
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,923
and people welcomed the event.
963
00:43:46,925 --> 00:43:51,661
He really had not just
desecrated the family tie,
964
00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:54,197
but he had actually
in some fundamental way
965
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,834
desecrated the idea of Halloween
966
00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:04,641
by taking a scary story
and literally making it true.
967
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:04,641
What he did is
968
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:08,144
he used the urban legend
as a smokescreen.
969
00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:10,980
He used it as an alibi.
970
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:12,281
I couldn't have done it
971
00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:14,384
because this is
the sort of thing
972
00:44:14,386 --> 00:44:17,220
that an anonymous
creepy killer would do,
973
00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:20,356
and we all know that
because of urban legends.
974
00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:21,524
Joshua:
In the ultimate irony,
975
00:44:21,526 --> 00:44:25,028
o'Bryan's decision to enact
the tainted candy myth
976
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:28,031
turned fiction into reality,
977
00:44:28,033 --> 00:44:31,834
allowing the candy man
to continue haunting Halloween
978
00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:33,736
for generations to come.
979
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,709
Look, it's right there.
980
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,847
Interviewer:
Mr. o'Bryan, your case
981
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:49,786
has probably created terror
in the hearts of parents.
982
00:44:49,788 --> 00:44:52,221
In fact, I'm told
that the inmates
983
00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:55,825
occasionally refer to you
as the candy man, is that so?
984
00:45:02,433 --> 00:45:04,233
Joshua:
A babysitter is watching TV
985
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,835
after putting the kids to bed
986
00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:08,237
when she gets a call
from a mysterious stranger.
987
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,708
( Phone rings )
988
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:12,775
Hello.
989
00:45:12,777 --> 00:45:14,811
Have you checked the children?
990
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:14,811
What?
991
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:17,980
Joshua: Thinking it's a prank,
she hangs up.
992
00:45:17,982 --> 00:45:17,980
A few minutes later,
993
00:45:17,982 --> 00:45:20,917
the same mysterious man
calls again.
994
00:45:20,919 --> 00:45:21,951
Hello?
995
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:24,120
Have you checked the children?
996
00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:25,755
Joshua:
Only now the question ends
997
00:45:25,757 --> 00:45:27,356
with a devilish laugh.
998
00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:29,392
The babysitter reports the call.
999
00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,060
Hello, could you
get me the police.
1000
00:45:31,062 --> 00:45:33,863
I've been getting
weird phone calls.
1001
00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:35,932
Joshua: After a few minutes,
a hurried voice calls back.
1002
00:45:35,934 --> 00:45:37,767
( Phone rings )
1003
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:37,767
Leave me alone!
1004
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:40,403
Sgt. Sachar: Jill,
this is sergeant sachar.
1005
00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:42,338
Listen to me.
We've traced the call.
1006
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:44,307
The caller is in the house.
1007
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:46,876
The calls are coming
from the house.
1008
00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:48,945
It's coming from
inside the house.
1009
00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:51,280
Joshua: Just at that moment,
the babysitter looks over
1010
00:45:51,282 --> 00:45:53,850
as a man is coming
down the stairs.
1011
00:45:53,852 --> 00:45:56,919
( Scream )
1012
00:45:59,156 --> 00:46:02,058
Well, that really happened
to a girl in my hometown.
1013
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,861
( Chuckles )
Oh, yes. I'm sure it did.
1014
00:46:04,863 --> 00:46:07,730
I'm sure most of you grew up
1015
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:11,134
thinking that this happened
to girls in all your hometowns,
1016
00:46:11,136 --> 00:46:13,669
but it didn't.
1017
00:46:14,738 --> 00:46:17,206
Joshua: Yes, the babysitter
and the man upstairs
1018
00:46:17,208 --> 00:46:19,008
is a popular urban legend,
1019
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:21,444
but is there any truth
behind it?
1020
00:46:21,446 --> 00:46:24,280
One would think so
considering all these examples,
1021
00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:26,349
but when dealing
with urban legends,
1022
00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:28,985
the truth is never
quite what it seems.
1023
00:46:32,352 --> 00:46:34,391
Rachel:
When I think babysitter,
1024
00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:37,493
I think about me babysitting
as a teenager
1025
00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,929
and how fearful I was.
1026
00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:42,498
You know,
being in a strange house,
1027
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,968
hearing strange sounds,
not being familiar,
1028
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:47,203
but what was interesting
1029
00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:49,405
is that I started researching
babysitters,
1030
00:46:49,407 --> 00:46:51,374
thinking that I wouldn't
have a hard time
1031
00:46:51,376 --> 00:46:53,042
finding a case of a babysitter
1032
00:46:53,044 --> 00:46:56,546
by following some kind of
death or kidnapping,
1033
00:46:56,548 --> 00:47:00,116
the children upstairs
being killed or whatever.
1034
00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:02,885
It's very difficult to find
any true crimes
1035
00:47:02,887 --> 00:47:04,287
to connect
this urban legend line.
1036
00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:04,287
Stephen winick:
One thing that's interesting
1037
00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:09,158
about babysitting is that it
doesn't increase your danger
1038
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,993
of being attacked at all.
1039
00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:13,396
It would be
a completely random event
1040
00:47:13,398 --> 00:47:17,867
for a babysitter to be attacked
during a house burglary,
1041
00:47:17,869 --> 00:47:21,270
but it induces anxiety
because suddenly
1042
00:47:21,272 --> 00:47:23,840
they're responsible for
these other people's kids,
1043
00:47:23,842 --> 00:47:25,441
and it has nothing to do
with your potential
1044
00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:27,009
for becoming a crime victim...
1045
00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:29,545
but it may be getting it
expressed in stories
1046
00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,914
in which the babysitter
becomes the crime victim.
1047
00:47:31,916 --> 00:47:33,549
Joshua: You would think
with the amount of babysitters
1048
00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:35,418
getting killed
in popular culture now,
1049
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:37,954
like, we would have just like
gotten a case immediately.
1050
00:47:37,956 --> 00:47:39,555
Oh, it took me
to going back to the '50s
1051
00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:41,424
to actually find one.
1052
00:47:41,426 --> 00:47:44,026
We found this case
of janett christman
1053
00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:47,496
here in Columbia, Missouri,
which is why we're here.
1054
00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:58,407
My name is Carol Haley holt,
1055
00:47:58,409 --> 00:48:03,079
and I was a very good friend
of janett christman
1056
00:48:03,081 --> 00:48:08,117
from first grade
through the time of her death.
1057
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:14,023
It was march 18, 1950.
1058
00:48:14,025 --> 00:48:18,294
Janett was babysitting
for the romack family
1059
00:48:18,296 --> 00:48:20,897
out kind of in the west edge
of Columbia...
1060
00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:23,599
it really wasn't
in the city limits.
1061
00:48:23,601 --> 00:48:26,502
It was kind of an eerie night.
1062
00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:30,907
I also was babysitting,
and I just felt uneasy,
1063
00:48:30,909 --> 00:48:32,375
and that was unusual for me
1064
00:48:32,377 --> 00:48:34,577
because I did
quite a bit of babysitting...
1065
00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:39,148
but I just felt that something
was going on about 12 o'clock,
1066
00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:41,217
and I even got up
to check the door
1067
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:42,318
and make sure it was locked,
1068
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,552
went in to check
the little boy...
1069
00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:45,554
he was fine.
1070
00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:48,958
And then the next morning,
the phone rang.
1071
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,160
My mother went in to answer
1072
00:48:51,162 --> 00:48:53,029
and told me that janett
had been killed
1073
00:48:53,031 --> 00:48:54,397
while she was babysitting.
1074
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:55,598
Joshua:
I had heard that
1075
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,368
there had been a phone call
to the police.
1076
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,038
Well, Mrs. romack tried to call
1077
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,208
to check on janett
with the thunder,
1078
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:08,945
and she was afraid
the little boy might wake up...
1079
00:49:08,947 --> 00:49:12,214
and she tried to call
and received a busy signal.
1080
00:49:12,216 --> 00:49:13,582
( Busy tone on phone )
1081
00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,318
Joshua: What the romack
family didn't know
1082
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,019
is that janett
had called the police
1083
00:49:17,021 --> 00:49:18,454
while she was being attacked,
1084
00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:22,091
but the only thing they heard
were desperate screams.
1085
00:49:22,093 --> 00:49:23,426
Unable to trace the call,
1086
00:49:23,428 --> 00:49:25,928
the police were helpless
to stop her murder.
1087
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:33,469
Janett had skin
under her fingernails.
1088
00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:40,409
She had many abrasions
on her body,
1089
00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:43,012
but the final thing was
1090
00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:47,083
that she was strangled
with an ironing cord.
1091
00:49:49,186 --> 00:49:54,023
I know she suffered a lot
before she finally succumbed.
1092
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,426
Joshua:
Janett christman's death
1093
00:49:57,428 --> 00:50:00,162
shocked the small town
of Columbia, Missouri,
1094
00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,231
but despite being one of
the most publicized crimes
1095
00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:03,733
in the past 60 years,
1096
00:50:03,735 --> 00:50:06,535
her murder
has never been solved.
1097
00:50:06,537 --> 00:50:09,739
So right now, we're looking
for ed romack's house
1098
00:50:09,741 --> 00:50:11,974
where janett christman
was murdered
1099
00:50:11,976 --> 00:50:14,243
while she was babysitting.
1100
00:50:14,245 --> 00:50:16,645
1015 should be
somewhere along here.
1101
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:18,447
Rachel:
So then it must be that one.
1102
00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:20,449
That house right there?
Right there, right there.
1103
00:50:22,252 --> 00:50:23,986
Joshua:
Quick question for you,
1104
00:50:23,988 --> 00:50:26,455
is this where ed romack
used to live?
1105
00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:27,523
Is that this house?
1106
00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:27,523
Woman:
Maybe.
1107
00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:30,159
Joshua: But you don't know
anything about it.
1108
00:50:34,164 --> 00:50:35,564
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1109
00:50:35,566 --> 00:50:38,734
About two years ago,
this car pulled up
1110
00:50:38,736 --> 00:50:42,738
and they were out there talking
and pointing here at this house,
1111
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,241
and they said
we're trying to figure out
1112
00:50:45,243 --> 00:50:49,512
which house where a girl
was babysitting a little baby,
1113
00:50:49,514 --> 00:50:51,514
and she got murdered and raped.
1114
00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:51,514
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1115
00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:53,616
And I said, no,
it's not this house,
1116
00:50:53,618 --> 00:50:54,717
it's that one.
1117
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:54,717
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1118
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,421
It was a man talking to me.
He said, "I was the baby."
1119
00:50:58,423 --> 00:50:59,588
Joshua:
No!
1120
00:50:59,590 --> 00:50:59,588
Rachel:
Wow!
1121
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:03,225
And a different woman that
lived across west boulevard,
1122
00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:05,594
and she had been
raped and murdered
1123
00:51:05,596 --> 00:51:08,597
sometime within close
to that time.
1124
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,032
Joshua: Jenkins is it?
Yes.
1125
00:51:10,034 --> 00:51:11,167
Joshua:
Jenkins, right.
1126
00:51:11,169 --> 00:51:13,202
We went to...
I went to the trial. Yeah.
1127
00:51:13,204 --> 00:51:15,337
Joshua: Marylou Jenkins
was the other reason
1128
00:51:15,339 --> 00:51:17,206
we were in Columbia.
1129
00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:21,310
On February 6, 1946,
marylou, age 20,
1130
00:51:21,312 --> 00:51:22,611
was home alone
while her mother was out
1131
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,314
caring for an elderly neighbor.
1132
00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:27,716
The next morning she came home
to find marylou dead.
1133
00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,352
Much like janett christman's
murder four years later,
1134
00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:31,787
marylou had been raped
and strangled
1135
00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:33,589
with an electrical cord.
1136
00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:37,626
A mentally-challenged man
named Floyd Cochran
1137
00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:39,728
who had been arrested
for killing his wife
1138
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:42,798
was charged with the murder
and quickly executed.
1139
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,067
Do you think Floyd was innocent?
1140
00:51:45,069 --> 00:51:47,203
Mary Beth brown: I think
he was likely innocent
1141
00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,672
of killing marylou Jenkins, yes.
1142
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:54,110
He did kill his wife
in likely a domestic dispute,
1143
00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:56,745
but just from reading
the trial transcripts,
1144
00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,781
it just didn't seem like
he had the wherewithal
1145
00:51:58,783 --> 00:52:02,084
to kill and rape a young woman.
1146
00:52:02,086 --> 00:52:04,286
Joshua: Mary Beth brown
is a researcher
1147
00:52:04,288 --> 00:52:07,089
who helped shed new light
on these old cold cases.
1148
00:52:07,091 --> 00:52:08,757
She believes
the eerie similarities
1149
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,327
between the Jenkins murder
and the christman murder
1150
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:14,763
four years later
only proves
Cochran's innocence.
1151
00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:17,666
They were both young woman,
they were home by themselves,
1152
00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:20,302
they were both found
with electrical cords
1153
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:20,302
wrapped around their neck,
1154
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:25,841
but cords that weren't attached
or torn from the appliance...
1155
00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:25,841
they were actually cut.
1156
00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:30,346
The whole location thing
is the one that really gets me.
1157
00:52:30,348 --> 00:52:31,614
Joshua:
Like how close was it?
1158
00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:33,182
Mary Beth brown:
Within two blocks.
1159
00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:35,317
Joshua: Do you think
that the same person
1160
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:40,356
who killed marylou Jenkins
also killed janett christman?
1161
00:52:40,358 --> 00:52:43,893
That's my personal opinion,
but yeah.
1162
00:52:43,895 --> 00:52:45,494
Joshua:
And who do you think did it?
1163
00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:46,896
I've been told several people,
1164
00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:50,466
but more than any other name
was Robert Mueller.
1165
00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:50,466
Joshua:
Robert Mueller
1166
00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:53,802
was a high school friend
of ed romack's,
1167
00:52:53,804 --> 00:52:55,471
and it was the romack's house
1168
00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:57,540
where janett was babysitting
that night.
1169
00:52:57,542 --> 00:52:59,375
The romacks told police
that Mueller
1170
00:52:59,377 --> 00:53:01,810
had often commented
on janett being a virgin
1171
00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:05,614
and had eluded to knowing
intimate details of the crime.
1172
00:53:05,616 --> 00:53:07,616
Although Mueller had been
taken in for questioning
1173
00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:10,219
and passed a polygraph,
the police still felt
1174
00:53:10,221 --> 00:53:12,454
there was enough evidence
to arrest him.
1175
00:53:12,456 --> 00:53:14,857
However, a grand jury
refused to indict,
1176
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,826
and Mueller was never tried
for janett's murder.
1177
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:21,830
Rachel: I am working
on a documentary,
1178
00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:23,766
and I'm interested
in a cold case
1179
00:53:23,768 --> 00:53:23,766
that I've been researching.
1180
00:53:23,768 --> 00:53:26,402
I wanted to see
if there was any information
1181
00:53:26,404 --> 00:53:28,504
that you could give me.
1182
00:53:28,506 --> 00:53:28,504
Okay, is that...
1183
00:53:28,506 --> 00:53:31,407
did you just like
do something on your system
1184
00:53:31,409 --> 00:53:33,309
and you see
there's nothing there?
1185
00:53:33,311 --> 00:53:34,476
Joshua:
Despite numerous efforts
1186
00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:35,711
to reach out to police,
1187
00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,980
they were less than responsive.
1188
00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:40,849
Christman's case was too old
to warrant attention.
1189
00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:44,353
However, we were able to
track down some old case files.
1190
00:53:44,355 --> 00:53:47,256
This deputy testified
that romack told him
1191
00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:49,892
Mueller had known janett
1192
00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:53,762
and admired
her well-developed form.
1193
00:53:53,764 --> 00:53:56,865
( Aghast ) Oh my God!
1194
00:53:58,368 --> 00:54:00,302
There's her leg.
1195
00:54:00,304 --> 00:54:02,771
There's the phone.
1196
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:06,842
That's the cord
around her neck, right there.
1197
00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:11,413
It's one of those irons
back then with the thick cords.
1198
00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:11,413
That's the window
that was broken
1199
00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:15,451
that supposedly
whoever did this
went in and out of,
1200
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:15,451
but the venetian blinds...
1201
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:17,920
if someone were going
through there...
1202
00:54:17,922 --> 00:54:19,822
they'd be totally ripped up.
1203
00:54:19,824 --> 00:54:21,390
The piano, look.
1204
00:54:21,392 --> 00:54:23,525
That's the window...
oh, look.
1205
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:23,525
Joshua:
That's the broken glass
1206
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:23,525
and that's why they're saying
nothing is disturbed
1207
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:28,797
because look at the area
around it.
1208
00:54:28,799 --> 00:54:30,499
So, inside job.
1209
00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:30,499
Uh-hm.
1210
00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:33,402
Mueller's wife,
according to the deputy,
1211
00:54:33,404 --> 00:54:37,239
had called the girl to baby sit
at the Mueller home that night
1212
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:39,675
and found she had already
been asked by Mrs. romack.
1213
00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:40,976
Joshua:
So, Mueller tried to get her
1214
00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:41,978
to baby sit that night.
1215
00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:43,445
Must have been.
1216
00:54:43,447 --> 00:54:46,615
And she was already
babysitting the romacks...
1217
00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:51,754
which was how he would know
she would be alone.
1218
00:54:51,756 --> 00:54:53,322
I agree that it sounds
like he did it,
1219
00:54:53,324 --> 00:54:57,293
but maybe, maybe he didn't.
1220
00:54:57,295 --> 00:55:00,529
There's no solid proof,
no hard evidence.
1221
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,501
Joshua: Joan sorrels is another
researcher studying the cases.
1222
00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:05,501
She believes other crimes
1223
00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:08,304
happening in Columbia
at the time
1224
00:55:08,306 --> 00:55:10,906
might be connected
to these murders.
1225
00:55:10,908 --> 00:55:12,041
There were rapes
1226
00:55:12,043 --> 00:55:15,344
that had occurred
within that period
1227
00:55:15,346 --> 00:55:18,814
between the Jenkins murder
and the christman murder.
1228
00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:19,816
Tell me about those.
1229
00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:21,517
Yeah. Well, there was a rape
1230
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,654
that was within two blocks
of the christman murder.
1231
00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:29,792
The girl was raped by a man
that wore a mask...
1232
00:55:29,794 --> 00:55:30,794
Really?
1233
00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:30,793
And when you read the stories...
1234
00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:33,929
the reports
of the christman murder...
1235
00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:35,864
when they're talking
about Robert Mueller,
1236
00:55:35,866 --> 00:55:39,368
it turns out that he was
interested in the theater
1237
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,371
and that he made masks.
1238
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:46,041
There was a black man named
Jake Bradford that they charged,
1239
00:55:46,043 --> 00:55:48,077
and he had already been in jail,
1240
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,647
and he was charged on the rapes.
1241
00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,649
You assume he was innocent.
1242
00:55:53,651 --> 00:55:55,050
Of that.
1243
00:55:55,052 --> 00:55:58,520
They took the wrong man,
they really did.
1244
00:55:58,522 --> 00:56:00,789
Would you say that Columbia
has like a history of this?
1245
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:02,558
Well, you remember
that I was graduating
1246
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,526
from high school in '51.
1247
00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,395
You would go
to the mu football games
1248
00:56:06,397 --> 00:56:07,996
and you would stand up
for Dixie.
1249
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,099
What does that mean?
1250
00:56:10,101 --> 00:56:11,567
The song dixies...
1251
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:12,801
Uh-hm, okay.
1252
00:56:12,803 --> 00:56:14,470
That's a confederate song.
1253
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:14,470
Uh-hm.
1254
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:20,342
Columbia was really primarily
a confederate town.
1255
00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:24,780
Basically this is the story
of a young girl...
1256
00:56:24,782 --> 00:56:25,781
Joshua:
We came here to investigate
1257
00:56:25,783 --> 00:56:25,781
an urban legend,
1258
00:56:25,783 --> 00:56:29,017
but what we found
was truly shocking...
1259
00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:31,353
the unsolved murders
of two young girls,
1260
00:56:31,355 --> 00:56:33,889
a series of brutal rapes,
and the possibility
1261
00:56:33,891 --> 00:56:38,460
that men were being falsely
accused and even executed.
1262
00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:41,630
In all honesty, the truth
was more unflinchingly real
1263
00:56:41,632 --> 00:56:43,665
than we could ever
have imagined.
1264
00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:46,802
So right now, we are headed
to hinkson creek.
1265
00:56:46,804 --> 00:56:48,837
Rachel: This is where
a lot of people went to park
1266
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:52,541
back in the '50s, and '40s,
'50s, '60s and still do now.
1267
00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:53,675
Yeah.
1268
00:56:56,379 --> 00:56:57,780
We just wanted to see
about all the other rapes
1269
00:56:57,782 --> 00:57:00,416
that were happening
other than the two houses.
1270
00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:03,085
This is the creek
where they're saying
1271
00:57:03,087 --> 00:57:05,854
there were a ton of rapes
happening around here.
1272
00:57:11,394 --> 00:57:12,594
That.
1273
00:57:14,097 --> 00:57:16,031
This is where
the college students go in,
1274
00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:17,766
and there's like a car
right out over there
1275
00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,067
and they just flashed
their lights
1276
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:22,738
because they didn't want us
to walk in on them.
1277
00:57:25,542 --> 00:57:26,675
What's down here?
1278
00:57:26,677 --> 00:57:28,844
Uh, where they dragged the girl.
1279
00:57:28,846 --> 00:57:32,581
Rachel: Dragged?
Dragged from the car.
1280
00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,483
There was a couple making out.
1281
00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:36,652
Some guy came out of nowhere
1282
00:57:36,654 --> 00:57:39,087
and then at gunpoint
pulled one of the girls off
1283
00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:42,057
into the woods... and it was
right near Halloween...
1284
00:57:42,059 --> 00:57:45,894
and basically this guy
put a mask over his head
1285
00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:49,465
and then he put a mask
over the girl's face,
1286
00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:49,465
and then he raped her.
1287
00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:52,968
I think the more scary thing
was being a woman,
1288
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:57,940
being a girl between
1940 and 1950, in this area,
1289
00:57:57,942 --> 00:58:00,876
knowing the amount of things
going on.
1290
00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:02,778
I wouldn't have wanted to be
a babysitter back then.
1291
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:05,080
I wouldn't have wanted
to be by myself
1292
00:58:05,082 --> 00:58:05,080
in one of those houses.
1293
00:58:05,082 --> 00:58:10,085
Most teenagers in the us
go through a period
1294
00:58:10,087 --> 00:58:12,154
when they baby sit
at least once or twice,
1295
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:16,558
and it feels very terrifying
to the person who is doing it,
1296
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,593
( eerie music )
1297
00:58:17,595 --> 00:58:20,128
But it's not actually dangerous
almost at all.
1298
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,531
I mean, there's no reason
to imagine
1299
00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:25,067
that any killer would even know
1300
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:27,536
that a babysitter was on duty
in the house,
1301
00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:29,972
and it makes the most sense
if you think about the fact
1302
00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:33,075
that maybe he knew she was
going to be there babysitting
1303
00:58:33,077 --> 00:58:35,210
and maybe
he did this specifically
1304
00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:37,179
to torment the babysitter,
1305
00:58:37,181 --> 00:58:39,114
and that is
exactly what happened,
1306
00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:41,817
they think,
in the Columbia case.
1307
00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:44,853
Joshua: Was somebody tormenting
the babysitters in Columbia...
1308
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,723
and was the same person
responsible for the sex crimes
1309
00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,658
that had terrorized this town...
1310
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:53,962
and finally
was this same person
Robert Mueller?
1311
00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,764
Hoping for some
additional insight,
1312
00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:58,233
we turned to a profiler
in Kansas City,
1313
00:58:58,235 --> 00:59:00,969
a former German national
named Peter brendt
1314
00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,005
who was willing to review
our case.
1315
00:59:03,007 --> 00:59:06,842
So in your opinion,
the same killer for both girls.
1316
00:59:06,844 --> 00:59:08,677
Yes.
This is too specific
1317
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:11,013
if you add
all of the details together.
1318
00:59:11,015 --> 00:59:13,181
Do you think
that marylou Jenkins knew him?
1319
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,218
Well, there was no sign
of forced entry on the door,
1320
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:21,056
so at least from the sight,
she must have known him,
1321
00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:23,825
and he was non threatening
to her.
1322
00:59:23,827 --> 00:59:26,795
Right.
Now let's talk about christman.
1323
00:59:26,797 --> 00:59:29,631
Peter: Oh, well,
this is a lot more specifics.
1324
00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:32,000
If you see
there comes an offender,
1325
00:59:32,002 --> 00:59:33,168
he breaks a window.
1326
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:35,771
The victim runs to the kitchen
where the phone is,
1327
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:38,073
and he walks in
through the front door.
1328
00:59:38,075 --> 00:59:40,576
Now, why would he do that?
1329
00:59:40,578 --> 00:59:43,579
He would do that
only if he knew one detail...
1330
00:59:43,581 --> 00:59:48,684
ed romack had shown her
how to use the shortcut.
1331
00:59:48,686 --> 00:59:50,686
Joshua: Peter had brought up
an interesting clue...
1332
00:59:50,688 --> 00:59:52,321
one that many had overlooked.
1333
00:59:52,323 --> 00:59:54,089
Romack testified
that he had shown janett
1334
00:59:54,091 --> 00:59:56,558
a loaded shotgun
by the front door.
1335
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:56,558
By breaking the window,
1336
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,828
Mueller would distract her
away from the gun
1337
00:59:59,830 --> 01:00:03,298
so he could safely
get inside the house.
1338
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,935
He knew how long he would need
around the house,
1339
01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:08,971
through the front door
into the kitchen.
1340
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:13,942
So he knew every feet
of the route.
1341
01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,577
Do you think it was Mueller?
1342
01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:17,012
Peter:
He fits the bill,
1343
01:00:17,014 --> 01:00:18,981
but a lot of other males
of the town
1344
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:20,849
would fit that bill, too.
1345
01:00:20,851 --> 01:00:24,119
And the problem is
he passed his lie detector.
1346
01:00:24,121 --> 01:00:30,158
Now, if you have even 20%
to 40% cycle passes it makes...
1347
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,827
a lie detector,
1348
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:34,830
especially an old model
from the '50s,
1349
01:00:34,832 --> 01:00:39,868
um, well, it's worthless.
1350
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:39,868
Now the other interesting thing
1351
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:44,873
is that the rapes and murders
stopped when he left town.
1352
01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:48,210
Well, that looks not good
on the other side.
1353
01:00:48,212 --> 01:00:53,248
What was it, half a million
young males went to Korea?
1354
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,385
So he wasn't the only one
who left the area.
1355
01:00:56,387 --> 01:00:59,021
I mean he would
so nicely fit the bill,
1356
01:00:59,023 --> 01:01:03,725
but that's the risky part
with profiles, yeah?
1357
01:01:03,727 --> 01:01:06,194
A profile states
not who the killer is
1358
01:01:06,196 --> 01:01:08,864
but what the killer is.
1359
01:01:08,866 --> 01:01:09,865
Rachel:
I think it's interesting
1360
01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:12,100
that he thinks whoever this is,
1361
01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:15,671
he knew her...
he knew both.
1362
01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:17,005
Joshua: Although we'll
never be able to prove
1363
01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:18,874
who committed all these crimes,
1364
01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:20,308
the evidence strongly suggests
1365
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:23,645
that janett christman
knew her killer.
1366
01:01:23,647 --> 01:01:28,383
There really is not
a strong tradition in America
1367
01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:32,854
of strangers coming in
and killing babysitters.
1368
01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,992
Babysitters killing
small children, yes,
1369
01:01:36,994 --> 01:01:40,729
but the stranger
on babysitter story
1370
01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:47,736
just doesn't connect up with
a widespread real social fear.
1371
01:01:47,738 --> 01:01:49,805
( Thumping )
1372
01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,209
Stephen: What the babysitter
and the man upstairs
1373
01:01:54,211 --> 01:01:57,145
seems to be about
is this warning
1374
01:01:57,147 --> 01:01:59,081
about this kind of
responsibility.
1375
01:01:59,083 --> 01:02:00,449
If you're taking
this responsibility,
1376
01:02:00,451 --> 01:02:02,084
you have to take it seriously.
1377
01:02:02,086 --> 01:02:04,786
So, you have this voice
that calls her up on the phone
1378
01:02:04,788 --> 01:02:06,421
and almost like a conscience,
1379
01:02:06,423 --> 01:02:08,290
asks have you checked
the children,
1380
01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:10,258
and she hasn't
checked the children,
1381
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:12,828
and that's one of the reasons
why she doesn't know
1382
01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:14,763
that they've been murdered.
1383
01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:18,066
Bill Ellis:
I think it makes more sense
1384
01:02:18,068 --> 01:02:20,102
to look at it in a simple way
1385
01:02:20,104 --> 01:02:25,273
and say the babysitter is
dealing with her own anxieties
1386
01:02:25,275 --> 01:02:29,978
of being potentially the cause
of the children's death...
1387
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:34,349
and the killer upstairs
is the killer upstairs for her.
1388
01:02:34,351 --> 01:02:36,318
Joshua: The tragic case
of janett christman
1389
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,987
only goes to prove
bill Ellis's point
1390
01:02:38,989 --> 01:02:42,791
that our portrayal of the man
upstairs is incorrect...
1391
01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:45,260
and that's because the truth
is more terrifying
1392
01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,229
than we can ever imagine.
1393
01:02:47,231 --> 01:02:49,231
Janett christman
knew her killer,
1394
01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:51,767
and if it's true
that her killer was Mueller
1395
01:02:51,769 --> 01:02:54,402
as so many in Columbia
have suggested,
1396
01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:57,239
then the man tormenting her
that fateful night
1397
01:02:57,241 --> 01:02:59,474
wasn't any stranger.
1398
01:02:59,476 --> 01:03:02,811
( Phone rings )
1399
01:03:13,022 --> 01:03:15,190
So now we go from
Columbia, Missouri,
1400
01:03:15,192 --> 01:03:17,793
to Chicago in the 1980s...
1401
01:03:17,795 --> 01:03:19,995
from the small town
to the big city.
1402
01:03:22,031 --> 01:03:24,900
For some,
it is a loss of innocence,
1403
01:03:24,902 --> 01:03:29,004
and nothing speaks to that loss
more than clowns.
1404
01:03:29,006 --> 01:03:30,539
( Circus music )
1405
01:03:30,541 --> 01:03:33,408
We used to think of clowns
as fairly happy characters.
1406
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:35,844
Yes, sometimes
they were sad or hapless,
1407
01:03:35,846 --> 01:03:38,380
but ultimately they were
harmless caricatures.
1408
01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:41,983
Of course, clown faces
were exaggerated and garish,
1409
01:03:41,985 --> 01:03:43,451
but that's because of
the far distances
1410
01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:45,921
between the audience
and the ring.
1411
01:03:45,923 --> 01:03:49,357
It wasn't the clown's fault,
or was it?
1412
01:03:50,893 --> 01:03:52,427
Before modern times,
the clown...
1413
01:03:52,429 --> 01:03:54,429
or more appropriately
the Jester...
1414
01:03:54,431 --> 01:03:56,398
was considered
a mischievous trickster
1415
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,135
whose special role
allowed them to mock nobility.
1416
01:04:00,137 --> 01:04:03,371
Jesters served to entertain,
but it wasn't all smiles.
1417
01:04:03,373 --> 01:04:08,276
These clowns had a mean streak,
and they played it to the hilt.
1418
01:04:08,278 --> 01:04:10,879
But what was it
about the clowns of today
1419
01:04:10,881 --> 01:04:14,883
that turned them
into something evil?
1420
01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:17,485
( Rooster cawing )
1421
01:04:17,487 --> 01:04:18,954
Breakfast.
1422
01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:22,924
I'm hungry.
1423
01:04:24,026 --> 01:04:25,560
Joshua: Some believe
it was when we brought clowns
1424
01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,896
out of the big top
and into our homes
1425
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:30,031
via birthday parties and TV,
1426
01:04:30,033 --> 01:04:32,868
that things
really began to change.
1427
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:36,204
We see you here as bozo.
Who are you really?
1428
01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,306
Joshua: Had that
suspicious gleam in the eye
1429
01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:39,975
been there all along?
1430
01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:42,911
Did we finally just put
two and two together to realize
1431
01:04:42,913 --> 01:04:46,414
that clowns were creepy
or even worse...
1432
01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:48,049
dangerous?
1433
01:04:48,051 --> 01:04:50,585
Announcer:
The news at 5.
1434
01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:52,420
News reader:
Chicago police warned parents
1435
01:04:52,422 --> 01:04:56,524
about a man dressed as a clown
who is approaching children.
1436
01:04:56,526 --> 01:04:58,593
Police say a clown
tried to lure boys
1437
01:04:58,595 --> 01:05:01,863
into his pickup truck
last Tuesday evening.
1438
01:05:01,865 --> 01:05:03,365
Police have issued
two community alerts
1439
01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:06,868
regarding the clown sighting
near some southside schools
1440
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,271
as well as
some westside schools.
1441
01:05:10,006 --> 01:05:11,006
Joshua:
No one can say for sure
1442
01:05:11,008 --> 01:05:15,510
where in Chicago
it happened first or even when,
1443
01:05:17,113 --> 01:05:21,583
but they were out there,
snatching kids off the streets.
1444
01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:24,352
They trolled playgrounds
and schoolyards.
1445
01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,421
Sometimes they used
balloons or candy
1446
01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:28,356
to lure the gullible ones.
1447
01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:32,327
But ask anyone
who has seen them,
1448
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:34,896
and they'll all tell you
the same thing...
1449
01:05:34,898 --> 01:05:37,198
it was the white van
they saw first
1450
01:05:39,168 --> 01:05:41,903
and then that face
behind the wheel
1451
01:05:41,905 --> 01:05:44,639
painted white
with a maniacal smile.
1452
01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:49,945
We call them the killer clowns,
1453
01:05:49,947 --> 01:05:52,447
and they only wanted
one thing...
1454
01:05:52,449 --> 01:05:56,484
to kidnap kids just like us.
1455
01:05:57,687 --> 01:05:59,020
On t.V: Police are saying
that the suspect
1456
01:05:59,022 --> 01:06:01,189
wears clown make-up, a wig,
1457
01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:03,224
and sometimes
he carried balloons.
1458
01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:03,224
The latest pair of incidents
1459
01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:06,995
occurred near playgrounds
at 83rd and mackinaw...
1460
01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:08,697
They were running out
of the playground area.
1461
01:06:08,699 --> 01:06:11,232
To prey on children
at this time, you know,
1462
01:06:11,234 --> 01:06:13,568
right around the time
that they want to go out
1463
01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:16,438
and do trick-or-treating
is unfortunate.
1464
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,007
We should emphasize
that nothing has happened...
1465
01:06:19,009 --> 01:06:19,007
no child has been hurt...
1466
01:06:19,009 --> 01:06:23,111
but certainly these incidents
that have been near children
1467
01:06:23,113 --> 01:06:25,113
is making it very uneasy.
1468
01:06:25,115 --> 01:06:27,182
( Sirens wailing )
1469
01:06:29,685 --> 01:06:32,120
Joshua: In 2008, this was
one of the reported sightings...
1470
01:06:32,122 --> 01:06:33,021
South mackinaw...
1471
01:06:33,023 --> 01:06:35,991
one of the theoretical
clown abductions
1472
01:06:35,993 --> 01:06:38,593
where apparently he was hiding
in the playground
1473
01:06:38,595 --> 01:06:40,061
with some balloons...
1474
01:06:40,063 --> 01:06:42,063
Or he was in a van
or he was in a truck.
1475
01:06:42,065 --> 01:06:44,065
I mean, no adult
said they saw this.
1476
01:06:44,067 --> 01:06:46,034
Something was going on
with these children
1477
01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:50,271
to feel the need
to alert adults.
1478
01:06:50,273 --> 01:06:51,373
You doing a documentary?
1479
01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:51,373
Yeah, we are.
1480
01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:53,742
Joshua: Do you believe
that really happened?
1481
01:06:53,744 --> 01:06:54,809
Yeah, oh sure.
1482
01:06:54,811 --> 01:06:56,244
Joshua: Why do you believe
that happened?
1483
01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:57,512
Well, people told me, you know,
1484
01:06:57,514 --> 01:06:59,414
that they actually seen that.
1485
01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:01,216
Was it just one incident
or was it...
1486
01:07:01,218 --> 01:07:03,385
No, it was like a couple weeks
or you know,
1487
01:07:03,387 --> 01:07:05,653
a month or something like
that it was going on.
1488
01:07:05,655 --> 01:07:07,055
Rachel:
Did they ever catch the guy?
1489
01:07:07,057 --> 01:07:07,055
I'm not sure.
1490
01:07:07,057 --> 01:07:09,657
I think they did
because it stopped.
1491
01:07:09,659 --> 01:07:12,193
Definitely
it was a true incident.
1492
01:07:12,195 --> 01:07:14,062
Joshua: Uh-hm.
Rachel: Uh-hm.
1493
01:07:14,064 --> 01:07:14,062
So, he believes...
1494
01:07:14,064 --> 01:07:17,298
He believes it.
It was-it was real.
1495
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:19,567
I think there could possibly
have been a clown here.
1496
01:07:19,569 --> 01:07:21,403
It's hard to discern.
1497
01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:23,705
A white van
and the guy had a mask...
1498
01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:25,573
Uh-hm.
...Of a clown.
1499
01:07:25,575 --> 01:07:27,709
One of our friends' daughters...
1500
01:07:27,711 --> 01:07:29,210
yeah, and she was holding on
1501
01:07:29,212 --> 01:07:30,645
like for dear life to the fence.
1502
01:07:30,647 --> 01:07:32,180
Joshua: Really?
Yeah.
1503
01:07:32,182 --> 01:07:33,782
Joshua: Do you believe
it really happened?
1504
01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:33,782
I believe so.
1505
01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:37,052
We have tons and tons
of pedophiles
1506
01:07:37,054 --> 01:07:39,054
in this community.
I always log on to it.
1507
01:07:39,056 --> 01:07:40,088
Joshua: Really?
Oh yes.
1508
01:07:40,090 --> 01:07:41,189
Dressing as a clown?
1509
01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:41,189
Yeah.
1510
01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:43,725
That's a little extreme,
don't you think?
1511
01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:43,725
No.
1512
01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:43,725
Joshua:
But you never saw the clown.
1513
01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:49,064
No, but we saw people
that acted like that person...
1514
01:07:49,066 --> 01:07:49,064
trying to lure...
tell the kids.
1515
01:07:49,066 --> 01:07:53,468
I saw him right in the store
and I warned the store owner.
1516
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:54,803
I'd like for people
to hear the truth
1517
01:07:54,805 --> 01:07:57,072
( indistinct ) Not a lie.
1518
01:07:57,074 --> 01:07:58,206
( Background sirens )
1519
01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:00,141
Now I don't know what to think.
1520
01:08:00,143 --> 01:08:02,177
Joshua: Walking away,
it was hard not to believe
1521
01:08:02,179 --> 01:08:04,412
that there must be
some truth to this.
1522
01:08:04,414 --> 01:08:06,548
Could all these people
really be wrong?
1523
01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:10,118
Maybe our fear of clowns
isn't just in our heads.
1524
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,389
Joe durwin: Coulrophobia
is the fear of clowns.
1525
01:08:14,391 --> 01:08:16,658
It is so widespread now
that, you know,
1526
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:19,828
everybody knows that people
are afraid of clowns.
1527
01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:22,564
Everybody knows that something
is up with clowns,
1528
01:08:22,566 --> 01:08:25,533
and the last couple of decades
have just been confirmation
1529
01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:27,302
of everything they ever feared.
1530
01:08:27,304 --> 01:08:27,302
Joe durwin:
But what's even more disturbing
1531
01:08:27,304 --> 01:08:32,740
is that these phantom clowns
didn't just appear in 2008.
1532
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,577
There was a similar sighting
17 years previously,
1533
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,613
in the fall of 1991.
1534
01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:40,615
From the number of
alleged sightings
1535
01:08:40,617 --> 01:08:43,118
coming from practically
all over Chicago,
1536
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,486
police are theorizing
1537
01:08:44,488 --> 01:08:46,654
there may be more
than one phony clown
1538
01:08:46,656 --> 01:08:48,790
out roaming the streets.
1539
01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:49,858
Rachel:
This is a comment.
1540
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:51,726
"I've seen the same van
with the clown driving
1541
01:08:51,728 --> 01:08:54,295
when we was on the westside
playing,
1542
01:08:54,297 --> 01:08:56,464
and I can recall the van
stopping in the alley
1543
01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:58,766
and the clown trying to
lure me to the van.
1544
01:08:58,768 --> 01:08:58,766
That scared me worser
1545
01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:02,537
than living in cabrini-green
projects."
1546
01:09:02,539 --> 01:09:05,340
Joe durwin: The mention of
cabrini-green was telling.
1547
01:09:05,342 --> 01:09:08,476
It had been one of Chicago's
most notorious slums
1548
01:09:08,478 --> 01:09:12,680
where kids faced
rampant poverty and
violence on a daily basis.
1549
01:09:12,682 --> 01:09:13,848
But how does a kid process
1550
01:09:13,850 --> 01:09:15,650
these overwhelming
societal issues
1551
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:18,319
that are just too big to fix?
1552
01:09:18,321 --> 01:09:19,821
Have you ever like
heard of any talk
1553
01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:21,689
about any scary place
on your block,
1554
01:09:21,691 --> 01:09:23,124
a place nobody went to?
1555
01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:25,560
Every block is a scary block...
( Giggles )
1556
01:09:25,562 --> 01:09:27,495
So much shooting
and killing out here.
1557
01:09:27,497 --> 01:09:29,197
You guys think clowns are scary?
1558
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,231
Clowns?
Yeah.
1559
01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:31,866
No.
1560
01:09:31,868 --> 01:09:32,868
Killer clowns.
1561
01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:34,169
Killer clowns.
1562
01:09:35,905 --> 01:09:39,207
We've got a real shot here,
Bernadette.
1563
01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:40,875
An entire community
starts attributing
1564
01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:44,646
the daily horrors of their lives
to a mythical figure.
1565
01:09:44,648 --> 01:09:46,848
Joshua:
Sometimes we create monsters.
1566
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:50,151
Sometimes we just need
to put a face on our fear.
1567
01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:53,855
Aren't you going to say hello?
1568
01:09:54,823 --> 01:09:56,758
This is where there was
1569
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,529
another series of
clown sightings back in '91.
1570
01:10:01,531 --> 01:10:03,898
They called this clown sighting
the homey the clown sighting.
1571
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:05,100
Rachel:
Back in the early '90s,
1572
01:10:05,101 --> 01:10:07,602
there was a popular show on,
in living colors.
1573
01:10:07,604 --> 01:10:09,904
Huge character on there,
homey the clown.
1574
01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,407
Now let's show them
how homey gets back at
1575
01:10:12,409 --> 01:10:13,575
Mr. establishment.
1576
01:10:13,577 --> 01:10:15,343
( Laughter )
1577
01:10:15,345 --> 01:10:16,444
Sure.
1578
01:10:16,446 --> 01:10:19,514
( Laughter )
1579
01:10:20,449 --> 01:10:23,451
I mean, this is only one
of many, many places
1580
01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:25,687
all over Chicago.
1581
01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,356
There was a real citywide scare.
1582
01:10:28,358 --> 01:10:30,491
The Chicago police
were being called.
1583
01:10:30,493 --> 01:10:32,760
There were reports in the news.
1584
01:10:32,762 --> 01:10:34,696
Joshua: Isaiah Thompson
was a local reporter
1585
01:10:34,698 --> 01:10:37,465
who grew up in Chicago
and wrote about the clowns
1586
01:10:37,467 --> 01:10:39,467
that seemed to be lurking
on every corner.
1587
01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:42,237
Somehow-you know,
1588
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,472
I don't know that anyone
knows how, you know,
1589
01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:47,375
this whole city,
especially like this whole
1590
01:10:47,377 --> 01:10:50,211
public school network of
thousands and thousands of kids
1591
01:10:50,213 --> 01:10:51,679
all believe the same thing,
1592
01:10:51,681 --> 01:10:54,482
so it seems like
this larger force of nature
1593
01:10:54,484 --> 01:10:57,986
that sort of visited itself
upon the kids of Chicago.
1594
01:10:57,988 --> 01:11:00,355
Joshua: What the kids in 1991
didn't know
1595
01:11:00,357 --> 01:11:04,926
was that Chicago had
an even earlier clown scare.
1596
01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:10,898
There was another clown scare
phenomenon previously in 1981.
1597
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,435
It's been said that that one
started in Boston.
1598
01:11:14,437 --> 01:11:16,237
Uh-hm. You think '81,
you think '80s,
1599
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:19,741
you think Steven king,
you think poltergeist.
1600
01:11:19,743 --> 01:11:23,411
No, that started in '82,
poltergeist, '86 for it.
1601
01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:25,413
This was all before any of that.
1602
01:11:25,415 --> 01:11:27,016
Joshua: It's easy to see
how poltergeist
1603
01:11:27,017 --> 01:11:29,517
could have helped
spread a clown scare.
1604
01:11:38,494 --> 01:11:40,261
And of course,
Steven king's it...
1605
01:11:40,263 --> 01:11:43,298
Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy
and I'll kill you all.
1606
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:45,266
I'm every nightmare
you ever had.
1607
01:11:45,268 --> 01:11:48,670
I am your worst dream come true!
1608
01:11:48,672 --> 01:11:50,371
Joshua: But the fact
that the 1981 scare
1609
01:11:50,373 --> 01:11:53,708
preceded these cinematic
killer clowns was telling.
1610
01:11:53,710 --> 01:11:56,010
This wasn't just kids
watching some movie,
1611
01:11:56,012 --> 01:11:58,713
not when this fear
was everywhere.
1612
01:11:58,715 --> 01:12:02,784
Joe durwin: Clowns appear
in California in 1967;
1613
01:12:02,786 --> 01:12:04,385
in Newark 1980;
1614
01:12:04,387 --> 01:12:05,520
Boston; Providence;
1615
01:12:05,522 --> 01:12:08,389
Omaha; Phoenix,
Arizona in 1985;
1616
01:12:08,391 --> 01:12:09,490
Chicago; Galveston,
1617
01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:10,825
Texas, 1992;
1618
01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:11,893
Washington; Maryland;
1619
01:12:11,895 --> 01:12:13,394
Scotland, 1991;
1620
01:12:13,396 --> 01:12:15,897
throughout a large portion
of Latin America
1621
01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:19,500
from Mexico to South America
in the mid-90s.
1622
01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:21,602
The question of
how it's being spread
1623
01:12:21,604 --> 01:12:24,772
is a very interesting one
because you have an age group
1624
01:12:24,774 --> 01:12:27,942
which doesn't have
an enormous amount of contacts
1625
01:12:27,944 --> 01:12:30,511
and especially
in a pre-Internet time.
1626
01:12:30,513 --> 01:12:33,414
Elementary schools
communicating with students
1627
01:12:33,416 --> 01:12:36,517
in other elementary schools
on the other side of town
1628
01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:36,517
is very unlikely.
1629
01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:41,089
How it's transmitted is really
one of the most intriguing,
1630
01:12:41,091 --> 01:12:44,459
perhaps unsolved mysteries
about it.
1631
01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:49,531
Joshua:
All over the world,
1632
01:12:49,532 --> 01:12:52,533
kids were seeing killer clowns,
1633
01:12:52,535 --> 01:12:54,335
but it could have been
any monster...
1634
01:12:54,337 --> 01:12:58,806
zombies, vampires, witches,
why clowns?
1635
01:12:58,808 --> 01:13:01,676
Maybe our fear points
to an even larger issue.
1636
01:13:01,678 --> 01:13:03,778
Maybe it was the clown's
loss of innocence
1637
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:06,114
that made them
that much more scary
1638
01:13:06,116 --> 01:13:08,516
because it spoke
to our own loss.
1639
01:13:08,518 --> 01:13:11,686
For those born
into a generation
of stranger danger,
1640
01:13:11,688 --> 01:13:14,389
where missing kids appeared
on every milk carton,
1641
01:13:14,391 --> 01:13:16,391
clowns represented a world
1642
01:13:16,393 --> 01:13:18,526
that had turned
almost evil overnight,
1643
01:13:18,528 --> 01:13:20,795
and that's because
it's here in Chicago
1644
01:13:20,797 --> 01:13:22,697
where the notion
of killer clowns
1645
01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:24,365
became a reality.
1646
01:13:24,367 --> 01:13:25,967
News reporter: Police found
the decomposed remains
1647
01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:27,168
of three bodies.
1648
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:29,804
They suspect there are several
more bodies buried here.
1649
01:13:29,806 --> 01:13:32,807
Joshua: And the most
evil of them all was pogo,
1650
01:13:32,809 --> 01:13:36,411
the alter ego of one of the
most prolific serial killers
1651
01:13:36,413 --> 01:13:40,481
in all of history,
John Wayne gacy.
1652
01:13:43,385 --> 01:13:45,453
Gacy was a sadistic
serial killer
1653
01:13:45,455 --> 01:13:47,388
who brutally slayed 33 young men
1654
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:52,026
between 1972 and 1978
in the Chicago suburbs.
1655
01:13:52,028 --> 01:13:55,797
Though many have portrayed
gacy as an actual killer clown,
1656
01:13:55,799 --> 01:13:57,832
the truth behind
his demented persona
1657
01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,634
is not so simple.
1658
01:14:14,416 --> 01:14:16,117
How many bodies
did you find here?
1659
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:19,053
Bob egan: Twenty-nine,
twenty-seven under the house...
1660
01:14:19,055 --> 01:14:19,053
Uh-hm.
1661
01:14:19,055 --> 01:14:21,989
In the crawlspace,
one under the driveway...
1662
01:14:21,991 --> 01:14:26,461
And one under an extension
that he put on the garage.
1663
01:14:26,463 --> 01:14:26,461
Joshua:
This is Bob egans,
1664
01:14:26,463 --> 01:14:29,864
a former prosecutor
on the gacy case,
1665
01:14:29,866 --> 01:14:32,433
and cook county detective
Jason moran.
1666
01:14:32,435 --> 01:14:34,902
Bob egan: When we first saw
the pogo the clown pictures,
1667
01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:34,902
we went, oh my God,
1668
01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:38,139
is this guy acting as a clown
to get victims...
1669
01:14:38,141 --> 01:14:41,542
that's what we thought,
but it wasn't that at all.
1670
01:14:41,544 --> 01:14:44,178
He was doing that because
he was the center of attention,
1671
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:44,178
and everything he did
1672
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:47,114
was to make himself
the center of attention.
1673
01:14:47,116 --> 01:14:49,083
I still don't like clowns.
1674
01:14:49,085 --> 01:14:51,819
( Chuckles ) And I'm an adult
with a gun and a badge.
1675
01:14:51,821 --> 01:14:53,754
And it might be
from being a child
1676
01:14:53,756 --> 01:14:57,725
during that time because
if you look at pogo the clown,
1677
01:14:57,727 --> 01:14:59,660
he was a very creepy clown.
1678
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:02,530
If you look at the pictures,
the make-up around his eyes
1679
01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:05,199
when he was portraying pogo,
was triangular,
1680
01:15:05,201 --> 01:15:08,736
and the make-up around his mouth
came up to points.
1681
01:15:08,738 --> 01:15:11,105
Clown experts said
clowns do not have
1682
01:15:11,107 --> 01:15:13,508
any sharp points on their faces.
1683
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:14,809
Why?
1684
01:15:14,811 --> 01:15:17,645
Because it scares kids
and it connotes evil.
1685
01:15:17,647 --> 01:15:20,114
And so do you think
gacy did this on purpose
1686
01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:21,682
to connote evil?
1687
01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:22,783
It was subconscious?
No, I don't think at all.
1688
01:15:22,785 --> 01:15:24,018
I think it was
purely coincidental.
1689
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:24,018
He wasn't...
1690
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:24,018
I don't think he was
thinking of that for one second.
1691
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:28,890
I'm telling you, that's exactly
what we believed at the time.
1692
01:15:28,892 --> 01:15:31,526
Pogo the clown issue
was the subject
1693
01:15:31,528 --> 01:15:34,061
of a lot of conversation
during the trial prep.
1694
01:15:35,564 --> 01:15:38,666
Joshua: Although gacy never did
kill anyone dressed as a clown,
1695
01:15:38,668 --> 01:15:41,969
he did tell police clowns
could get away with murder,
1696
01:15:41,971 --> 01:15:44,739
leading many to believe
his signature clown look
1697
01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:48,976
was in fact a true reflection
of his inner evil self.
1698
01:15:52,681 --> 01:15:54,882
Ken melvoin-berg
is a noted historian
1699
01:15:54,884 --> 01:15:58,619
who understands
the dark side of a clown.
1700
01:15:58,621 --> 01:16:00,821
It doesn't matter the type
of mask that you're putting on...
1701
01:16:00,823 --> 01:16:02,056
whether it's a clown face...
1702
01:16:02,058 --> 01:16:03,925
it's to hide who you are
a little bit
1703
01:16:03,927 --> 01:16:05,860
and to be somebody
a little bit different.
1704
01:16:05,862 --> 01:16:08,696
It's oftentimes the opposite
of what we portray ourselves
1705
01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:08,696
in our day-to-day lives.
1706
01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:12,800
So somebody who is
a truly evil person like gacy
1707
01:16:12,802 --> 01:16:17,138
puts it on
to sort of offset that.
1708
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,106
Bill Ellis: What happens
when people costume
1709
01:16:19,108 --> 01:16:23,077
is that they're playing with
these internal personalities...
1710
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,814
they're repressing
the normal ego...
1711
01:16:26,816 --> 01:16:29,984
and they are allowing
some internal personality
1712
01:16:29,986 --> 01:16:32,153
to become dominant.
1713
01:16:32,155 --> 01:16:34,288
And so you put on
the clown make-up
1714
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,558
and you are no longer yourself.
1715
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,963
You then become someone
that is unpredictable,
1716
01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:45,866
possibly dangerous,
possibly violent.
1717
01:16:47,235 --> 01:16:48,302
Game on, my friend.
1718
01:16:48,304 --> 01:16:51,772
( Chuckles )
1719
01:16:51,774 --> 01:16:54,108
( Horn blows )
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
1720
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:55,843
( Chuckles )
1721
01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:55,843
Ken melvoin-berg:
Clowns have always been
1722
01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:58,079
a huge thing for us
here in Chicago
1723
01:16:58,081 --> 01:17:00,181
unlike any other American city
1724
01:17:00,183 --> 01:17:03,250
where we have clowns
and clown stories
1725
01:17:03,252 --> 01:17:05,920
and clown mythology
and clown history
1726
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that no other city
in the us has.
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It started off a long time ago
in the 1890s
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when the columbian exposition
brought clowns around
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just to entertain folks.
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Going forward in time
a little bit,
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up into the 1950s, like Bob bell
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who was the original
bozo the clown.
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The bozo set is still at wgn
in the building,
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and it's allegedly haunted.
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In the late '70s is when
you had John Wayne gacy.
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Shortly after is when
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a clown panic happened.
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So for people like me
who are a little bit sadistic,
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to me it's made it
that much more interesting
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because people
are that much more scared
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of clowns these days.
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The thing is
that all of the people
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that were children
in the 1980s and 1990s
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are adults now,
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and are telling these
terrifying tales of clowns
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to their children.
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Speaking of the connection
to clowns in Chicago,
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the one site that you guys
have got to see
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if you haven't been there before
is showmen's rest
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which is a monument
to the circus and clowns
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in a cemetery.
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Joshua:
Buried in Chicago
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were the clowns
and other circus performers
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who died in one of the worst
train wrecks
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in American history.
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On June 22, 1918,
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after its conductor fell asleep,
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a train plowed
into the idle sleeper cars
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of the
hagenbeck-Wallace
circus.
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Those who weren't killed
in the initial impact
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burned to death after
the wooden cars caught on fire.
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In all, 86 performers
were killed.
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With so many burned
beyond recognition,
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they were buried in a mass grave
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in a section
of the Chicago cemetery
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called showmen's rest.
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One of those who survived
was Joe coyle,
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a famously jovial clown
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whose act became
perpetually sad and morose
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as he took to dressing in rags.
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Coyle would play a sad clown
for the rest of his life.
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Rachel:
Joe coyle spoke bitterly
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as he lay on a stretcher
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and told how his wife
and two babies
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had joined him only recently
and how all three
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had been crushed to death
at his very side.
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"The kiddies had been so glad
to see their daddy," he said,
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"I wish I could have died
with them."
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Joshua: Here, look. See that?
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Rachel:
Baldy.
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Joshua:
Baldy, 1918, June 22.
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Rachel: They said they
only could name him baldy
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because that was the only name
they knew him by
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was his stage name.
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Joshua:
4 horse driver, 1918.
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Rachel: Unknown male,
unknown male.
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Joshua: Unknown male,
unknown male, unknown male.
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All these graves are unknown.
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Rachel: All these graves
are unknown.
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Joshua: Maybe it all started
in Chicago
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with the deaths of these clowns.
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Maybe all it takes
is a little tragedy
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to unlock the even
darker places
in our mind.
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One thing is for certain...
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there's no going back
to the innocent clown.
1796
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The scales have been tipped
and the evidence proves it.
1797
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Clowns can do scary things.
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They can even become killers.
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( Sirens wailing )
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Voice on radio:
...314, shooting
at century theaters.
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14300, east Alameda Avenue.
1802
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They're saying somebody
is shooting in the auditorium.
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We got seven down
and ( Indistinct ).
1804
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Seven down.
1805
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I've got a child victim...
I need rescue.
1806
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( Simultaneous talking )
1807
01:20:30,792 --> 01:20:33,294
News reporter: Breaking news
coming out of aurora, Colorado.
1808
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A scene
of a shooting this morning.
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A movie theater
where "the dark knight rises"
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was being shown.
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Joshua:
On July 20, 2012,
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James Holmes commits
one of the worse mass shootings
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in recent history.
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But if the massacre itself
weren't horrific enough,
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James's costuming
was an ominous testament
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to the allure
of a very specific clown.
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Clown in movie:
Introduce a little anarchy,
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upset the established order.
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Then everything becomes chaos.
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I'm an agent of chaos.
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Joshua: Holmes's embodiment
of the joker,
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a villain
who has come to represent
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the ultimate destruction
of our civilized world
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is no coincidence.
1825
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( Explosions )
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In our never-ending attempts
to sanitize society,
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we sometimes reap what we sow.
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Joe durwin: In a sense,
you can really look at it s as
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a possible backlash.
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He felt this compulsion
to water the clown down
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into this cartoonish,
harmless being,
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and maybe underlying traits
of the archetype
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just came back with a vengeance.
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Joshua: Holmes's joker-fueled
rampage not only signified
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that the clown's transformation
from innocent to evil
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was finally complete,
but it also revealed
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what was truly lurking
inside of us all.
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We think of ourselves as one,
and in fact we're really
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kind of a parliament
of personalities.
1840
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The killer clown
is one of our personalities,
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it's part of us.
1842
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And so therefore,
we have to be very careful
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not to let the killer clown out
except, in a safe way...
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except in a playful way.
1845
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( Evil laugh )
1846
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See, madness as you know,
1847
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is like gravity.
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All it takes is a little push.
1849
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( Evil laugh )
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Joshua:
The babysitter killer,
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the hook man,
the Halloween sadist,
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the killer clown...
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what can we learn
from these urban legends
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and from the true crimes
that may have inspired them?
1855
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Maybe these monsters,
despite our overwhelming desire
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to believe otherwise,
just aren't real.
1857
01:22:56,939 --> 01:22:58,572
By presenting false boogeymen,
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our urban legends are helping us
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01:23:00,176 --> 01:23:03,711
to make sense of crimes
too wicked to comprehend.
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Bill Ellis: An urban legend,
even though it can be scary,
1861
01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:11,051
it's not nearly as scary
as the actual murderers
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01:23:11,053 --> 01:23:13,454
that live in the world with us.
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Joshua: But peel back the
layers of any campfire tale,
1864
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and you'll understand
the inherent truth
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that despite our need
to believe in an evil,
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01:23:20,663 --> 01:23:24,164
in a darker force,
it just isn't true.
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In the end,
the only real boogeyman
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is the one that lurks
inside of us all,
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waiting for just
the right moment to emerge.
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So what's the lesson
behind this cautionary tale?
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The warning here is simple...
1872
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be afraid, not of the story,
1873
01:23:40,349 --> 01:23:42,216
but of the storyteller.
1874
01:23:43,318 --> 01:23:47,388
( Music playing )