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BRUCE HAMILTON: <i>The world's</i>
<i>climate scientists tell us that</i>

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the highest safe level of emissions
would be around 350 parts

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per million of carbon dioxide
and greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

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We're already at 400.

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They tell us that
the safest we could hope to do,

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without having perilous implications

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as far as drought, famine,
human conflict, major species extinction,

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would be about a 2-degree Celsius
increase in temperature.

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We're rapidly approaching that,

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and with all the built-in carbon dioxide
that's already in the atmosphere,

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we're easily going to exceed that.

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So, on our watch,

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we are facing the next major extinction
of species on the Earth

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that we haven't seen since
the time of the dinosaurs disappearing.

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When whole countries go underwater
because of sea-level rise,

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when whole countries find that

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there's so much drought
that they can't feed their population,

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and as a result, they need to

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desperately migrate to another country
or invade another country,

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we're gonna have
climate wars in the future.

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KIP ANDERSEN: And what about
livestock and animal agriculture?

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Uh...

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Well, what about it? I mean...

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ANDERSEN: <i>My name's Kip.</i>

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<i>This is me.</i>
<i>I had a cliché US American childhood.</i>

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<i>My mom was a teacher.</i>
<i>My dad was in the military.</i>

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<i>And I have one sister.</i>

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<i>I played all the sports growing up, but I</i>
<i>always loved the outdoors and camping.</i>

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<i>Life was simple, not a care in the world.</i>

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<i>And then this guy showed up.</i>
<i>Like so many of us,</i>

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<i>I saw his film,</i> An Inconvenient Truth,
<i>about the impacts of global warming,</i>

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<i>and it scared the emojis out of me.</i>

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<i>In Al Gore's film,</i>
<i>he describes how Earth is in peril.</i>

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<i>Climate change stands to affect</i>
<i>all life on this planet.</i>

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<i>From monster storms, raging wildfires,</i>
<i>record droughts, ice caps melting,</i>

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<i>acidification of the oceans,</i>
<i>to entire countries going underwater,</i>

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<i>that could all be caused</i>
<i>by humans' demands on the Earth.</i>

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<i>I wanted to do everything I could to help.</i>

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<i>I made up my mind, right then and there,</i>

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<i>to change how I lived and to do</i>
<i>whatever I possibly could to find a way</i>

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<i>for all of us to live together in balance</i>
<i>with the planet sustainably forever.</i>

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<i>I started to do</i>
<i>all the things Al told us to do.</i>

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<i>I became an OCE,</i>
<i>Obsessive Compulsive Environmentalist.</i>

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<i>I separated the trash and recycling,</i>
<i>I composted, changed all the light bulbs,</i>

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<i>took short showers, turned the water off</i>
<i>when I brushed my teeth,</i>

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<i>turned off lights when leaving the room,</i>

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<i>and rode my bike</i>
<i>instead of driving everywhere.</i>

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<i>But as the years went by,</i>
<i>it seemed as if things were getting worse.</i>

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<i>I had to wonder, with all the continuing</i>
<i>ecological crisis facing the planet,</i>

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<i>even if every single one of us</i>
<i>adopted these conservation habits,</i>

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<i>was this really gonna</i>
<i>be enough to save the world?</i>

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<i>It just seemed that</i>
<i>there was something more to the story.</i>

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<i>I thought I was doing everything I could</i>
<i>to help the planet.</i>

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<i>But then, with one's friend's post,</i>
<i>everything changed.</i>

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<i>The post sent me to a report online,</i>
<i>published by the United Nations,</i>

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<i>stating that raising livestock</i>
<i>produces more greenhouse gases</i>

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<i>than the emissions</i>
<i>of the entire transportation sector.</i>

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<i>This means that the meat and dairy</i>
<i>industry produces more greenhouse gases</i>

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<i>than the exhaust of all cars, trucks,</i>
<i>trains, boats, planes combined.</i>

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<i>Cows and other farmed animals</i>

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<i>produce a substantial amount of methane</i>
<i>from their digestive process.</i>

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<i>Methane gas from livestock</i>

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<i>is 86 times more destructive</i>
<i>than carbon dioxide from vehicles.</i>

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<i>Here, I'd been riding my bike everywhere</i>
<i>to help reduce emissions.</i>

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<i>But it turns out, there's more</i>
<i>to climate change than just fossil fuels.</i>

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<i>I started doing more research.</i>
<i>The UN, along with other agencies,</i>

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<i>reported that not only did livestock</i>
<i>play a major role in global warming,</i>

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<i>it is also the leading cause</i>
<i>of resource consumption</i>

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<i>and environmental degradation</i>
<i>destroying the planet today.</i>

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<i>How is it possible I wasn't aware of this?</i>
<i>I thought this information</i>

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<i>would be plastered everywhere</i>
<i>in the environmental community.</i>

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<i>I went to the nation's largest</i>
<i>environmental organization's websites,</i>

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<i>350.org, Greenpeace,</i>
<i>Sierra Club, Climate Reality,</i>

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<i>Rainforest Action Network, Amazon Watch,</i>

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<i>and was shocked to see they had</i>
<i>virtually nothing on animal agriculture.</i>

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<i>What was going on?</i>

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<i>Why wouldn't they</i>
<i>have this information on their main page?</i>

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<i>It seemed the main focus for many of these</i>
<i>groups was natural gas and oil production,</i>

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<i>with fracking being the latest hot issue</i>
<i>due to water usage and contamination.</i>

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<i>Hydraulic fracturing for natural gas</i>
<i>uses an incredible amount of water.</i>

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<i>A staggering 100 billion gallons of water</i>
<i>is used every year in the United States.</i>

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<i>But when I compared this</i>
<i>with animal agriculture,</i>

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<i>raising livestock just in the US</i>
<i>consumes 34 trillion gallons of water.</i>

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<i>And it turns out the methane emissions</i>
<i>from both industries are nearly equal.</i>

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<i>Living in California, a state plagued</i>
<i>by drought and water shortages,</i>

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<i>water use is</i>
<i>a major concern for many of us.</i>

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The average Californian uses
about 1,500 gallons per person per day.

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About half of that is related to the
consumption of meat and dairy products.

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So, meat and dairy products
are incredibly water-intensive,

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in part because the animals
are using very water-intensive grains.

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That's what they eat.

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And so, all of the water embedded
in the grain and that the animal eats

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essentially is considered part of the
virtual water footprint of that product.

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ANDERSEN: <i>I found out that</i>
<i>one quarter-pound hamburger</i>

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<i>requires over</i>
<i>660 gallons of water to produce.</i>

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<i>Here, I've been taking</i>
<i>these short showers trying to save water,</i>

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<i>and to find out just eating one hamburger</i>

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<i>is the equivalent of</i>
<i>showering two entire months.</i>

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<i>So much attention</i>
<i>is given to lowering our home water use,</i>

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<i>yet domestic water use is only 5%</i>
<i>of what is consumed in the US</i>

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<i>versus 55% for animal agriculture.</i>

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<i>That's because it takes</i>
<i>upwards of 2,500 gallons of water</i>

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<i>to produce one pound of beef.</i>

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<i>I went on the government's</i>

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<i>Department of Water Resources'</i>
<i>Save Our Water campaign,</i>

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<i>where it outlines behavioral changes</i>
<i>to help conserve our water.</i>

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<i>Like using low-flow shower heads,</i>

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<i>efficient toilets,</i>
<i>water-saving appliances,</i>

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<i>and fix leaky faucets and sprinkler heads,</i>
<i>but nothing about animal agriculture.</i>

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<i>When I added up</i>
<i>all the government's recommendations,</i>

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<i>I was saving 47 gallons a day.</i>

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<i>But still, that's not even close to the</i>
<i>660 gallons of water for just one burger.</i>

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<i>I wanted to see if I could somehow</i>
<i>talk with the government about this.</i>

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I'm just calling to see
if we could schedule an interview.

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MAN: (ON PHONE) <i>Yeah, that would be good.</i>

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<i>What does your schedule look like</i>
<i>this afternoon or tomorrow afternoon?</i>

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Um, tomorrow afternoon could be good.

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For the urban environment, a lot
of things that can be done indoors, um,

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using low-flow showerheads,

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low-flow faucets,

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efficient toilets,

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efficient, um, water-using appliances,

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all those are really good areas
that can help quite a lot.

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But the biggest water savings
is from outdoors.

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We have to be mindful
of the way we use water.

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We have to use it
as efficiently as possible.

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We have to protect its quality.

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And we have to be good stewards
of the environment that depend on water.

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And checking the sprinklers.

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A lot of time, you get
a lot of leaks and broken sprinklers

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and things like that that wastes water.

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Those are the areas that
there is a lot of room for conservation.

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ANDERSEN: What kept on coming up a lot
was animal agriculture.

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Can you comment on that at all,

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about how much that plays a role
in water consumption and pollution?

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That's... I mean, that's not my area.

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ANDERSEN: There's one study that found
that one pound of beef,

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2,500 gallons of water.

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-Yeah.
-Yeah.

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ANDERSEN: Eggs is 477 gallons of water,
and cheese almost 900 gallons.

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I guess one simple...
Why isn't it on Save Our Water?

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Just... It's kind of like
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and my neighbor has a faucet dripping,

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<i>and then you see this giant hose</i>
<i>turned full-blast</i>

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<i>until 660 gallons of water</i>
<i>are shooting out into the street,</i>

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<i>flooding the entire street.</i>

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<i>I think I would say,</i>
<i>"Hey, turn that off, please."</i>

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<i>Seems like it's a huge thing that we could</i>
<i>be doing by far more than anything else.</i>

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Just, like, if that is really the case.

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I think that the water footprint
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is greater than other activities.

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There's no ifs, ands or buts about it.

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ANDERSEN: That would be really powerful.

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Rather than waiting
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what do you think about just starting now,

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and say to whoever's in charge
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"Hey, let's start encouraging people
to eat less meat now

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"because these studies are coming out"?

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-I don't think that'll happen.
-ANDERSEN: Why?

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-I don't think that'll happen.
-ANDERSEN: Why?

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Because of the way
government is set up here.

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ANDERSEN: That's interesting, though.
Why, though?

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One is water management,
and the other one is behavior change.

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ANDERSEN: Behavior of taking showers

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and not watering your lawn
and doing all that,

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that's behavior.

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Yeah.

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ANDERSEN: <i>Wow.</i>

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<i>Clearly, the government</i>
<i>did not want to talk about this issue.</i>

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<i>Their inability to answer, along with</i>

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<i>the environmental organization's silence</i>
<i>on the topic of animal agriculture,</i>

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<i>made it seem something more was going on.</i>

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<i>I started doing more investigating</i>
<i>on the impacts of livestock</i>

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<i>and found out the situation</i>
<i>was actually worse than I'd thought.</i>

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<i>The transportation and energy sectors are</i>
<i>understandably given a lot of attention</i>

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<i>because of the terrible impact</i>
<i>carbon dioxide is having on our climate.</i>

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<i>But animal agriculture produces</i>
<i>65% of the world's nitrous oxide,</i>

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<i>a gas with a global warming potential</i>
<i>296 times greater than CO2 per pound.</i>

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<i>Yet all we hear about is fossil fuels.</i>

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<i>Energy-related CO2 emissions are</i>
<i>expected to increase 20% by the year 2040.</i>

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<i>Yet emissions from agriculture</i>
<i>are predicted to increase 80% by 2050.</i>

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<i>This devastating figure is mostly due to</i>

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<i>a projected global increase</i>
<i>in meat and dairy consumption.</i>

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<i>According to two environmental specialists</i>
<i>at the World Bank Group,</i>

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<i>using the global standard</i>
<i>for measuring greenhouse gases,</i>

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<i>concluded that animal agriculture</i>

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<i>was responsible for 51%</i>
<i>of human-caused climate change</i>

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<i>when the loss of carbon sinks, respiration</i>
<i>and methane are properly accounted for,</i>

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<i>which the UN study failed to address.</i>

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<i>But not only that, I found out</i>
<i>that raising animals for food</i>

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<i>is responsible for</i>
<i>30% of the world's water consumption,</i>

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<i>occupies up to 45% of the Earth's land,</i>

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<i>is responsible for up to 91%</i>
<i>of Brazilian Amazon destruction,</i>

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<i>is a leading cause of ocean dead zones,</i>

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<i>habitat destruction,</i>

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<i>and species extinction.</i>

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<i>Yet the largest environmental groups</i>
<i>that are supposed to be saving our world</i>

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<i>didn't have this as their main focus?</i>

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<i>I had to speak with</i>
<i>environmental organizations</i>

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<i>and find out why</i>
<i>they weren't addressing this issue.</i>

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<i>I sent off dozens of emails,</i>
<i>made call after call, spent hours on hold.</i>

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<i>Days became weeks,</i>
<i>and weeks became months,</i>

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<i>and for some reason,</i>
<i>no one wanted to talk to me about this.</i>

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<i>So bizarre!</i>

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<i>I supported these organizations</i>
<i>for so long, and now was met with silence.</i>

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<i>I was, however,</i>
<i>able to connect with a handful of</i>

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<i>environmental authors and advocates</i>
<i>that were willing to address this issue.</i>

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<i>I took my old, trusty van, Super Blue,</i>
<i>out of retirement and hit the road.</i>

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So my calculations are that

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without using any gas or oil or fuel
ever again from this day forward

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that we would still exceed

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our maximum carbon-equivalent,
greenhouse gas emissions,

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now the 565 gigatons, by the year 2030,

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<i>without the electricity sector even</i>

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<i>or energy sector</i>
<i>even factored in the equation,</i>

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all simply by
raising and eating livestock.

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If you reduce
the amount of methane emissions,

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the level in the atmosphere
goes down fairly quickly, within decades,

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as opposed to CO2, if you reduce
the emissions to the atmosphere,

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you don't really see a signal
in the atmosphere for 100 years or so.

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It's an environmental disaster
that's being ignored by the very people

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who should be championing.
Deforestation, land use, water scarcity,

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<i>the destabilization of communities,</i>
<i>world hunger...</i>

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The list doesn't stop.

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Free-living animals, 10,000 years ago,
made up 99% of the biomass.

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<i>And human beings,</i>
<i>we only made up 1% of the biomass.</i>

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Today, only 10,000 years later,
which is really just a fraction of time,

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<i>we human beings</i>
<i>and the animals that we own as property</i>

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<i>make up 98% of the biomass.</i>

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<i>And wild, free-living animals</i>
<i>make up only 2%.</i>

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We've basically completely stolen the
world, the Earth from free-living animals

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<i>to use for ourselves,</i>
<i>in our cows and pigs and chicken,</i>

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<i>and factory-farmed fish, and the oceans</i>
<i>have been even more devastated.</i>

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Concerned researchers
of the loss of species

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agree that the primary cause of loss of
species on our Earth that we're witnessing

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<i>is due to overgrazing and habitat loss</i>

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<i>from livestock production on land</i>
<i>and by overfishing,</i>

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<i>which I call fishing in our oceans.</i>

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We're in the middle of the largest mass
extinction of species in 65 million years.

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The rainforest is being cut down
at the rate of an acre per second.

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And the driving force behind all of this
is animal agriculture.

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<i>Cutting down the forests</i>
<i>to graze animals and to grow soybeans.</i>

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<i>Genetically-engineered soybeans</i>

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to feed to the cows and pigs
and chickens and factory-farmed fish.

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Ninety-one percent of
the loss of rainforest

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<i>in the Amazon area thus far, to date,</i>

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91% that's been destroyed
is due to raising livestock.

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The leading cause of environmental
destruction is animal agriculture.

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ANDERSEN: <i>I just couldn't understand why</i>

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<i>the world's largest environmental</i>
<i>organizations were not addressing this</i>

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<i>when their entire mission</i>
<i>is to help protect the environment.</i>

252
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That's the thing, too, is they say,
"Use less coal, ride your bike."

253
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-What about "eat less meat"?
-Yeah.

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I think they focus-grouped it,
and it's a political loser.

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In terms of... Yeah, because they're
membership organizations, a lot of them.

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They're looking to maximize
the number of people making contributions.

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And if they get identified
as being anti-meat

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or challenging people
on their everyday habits,

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that's something that's so dear to people,
that it will hurt with their fundraising.

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They do not want to address

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the primary driving cause
of environmental devastation,

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which is animal agriculture,
because they're businesses.

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<i>And they want to make sure that</i>
<i>they have a reliable source of funding.</i>

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I had an invite to a meeting with Al Gore,
some years ago, now,

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and made these methane arguments,
and he was really push-back.

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That's just his argument.

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"It's hard enough
to get people to think about CO2.

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"Don't confuse them."

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I think that the problem with
a lot of organizations

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that are focused and have a laser focus

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don't go off message
because they don't want to piss off

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another whole group of people
that will make their lives difficult.

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If you listen to the majority
of the major environmental organizations,

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they're not telling you to do much,

275
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besides live your life
the way you've been living it,

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but change a light bulb from time to time,

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drive less, use less plastic,
recycle more...

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It's better for their fundraising
and better for their profile

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to create
a victim-and-perpetrator sort of plotline.

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It's like when we talk about the fact that

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when we have a dysfunctional family
and the father's an alcoholic,

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that's the one thing no one talks about.

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Everybody goes around that,
and yet it's the one thing

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that's causing the devastation
in the relationships in the family,

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because no one wants to talk about it.

286
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How could these organizations not know?

287
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The issue is right in front of them.
It's unmistakable at this point.

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And just like these organizations,
they're falling over themselves

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to show the general public
that climate change is human-caused.

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And in doing so, they completely fail
to see what's right in front of them.

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That animal agriculture,
raising and killing animals for food,

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is really what's killing the planet.

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ANDERSEN: <i>That was it.</i>

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<i>No more emails, no more phone calls.</i>
<i>I had enough.</i>

295
00:18:04,375 --> 00:18:06,252
<i>I realized if I wanted answers,</i>
<i>I would have to</i>

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00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:09,088
<i>go to these organizations' headquarters</i>
<i>in person.</i>

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ANDERSEN: Hi, how's it going?
WOMAN: Good.

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ANDERSEN: We're doing
a full-length feature documentary,

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and it's on sustainability
and how animal agriculture plays a role.

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And we're seeing if
we could talk to David Barre.

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WOMAN: David Barre? Okay.
ANDERSEN: Barre. Yeah.

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WOMAN: Do you have
an appointment with him?

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ANDERSEN: Uh, we've been trying for...

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It's almost two months, and we haven't
even had one receptive email or anything.

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00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:35,948
-Sure.
-So, just seeing if

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-we could just set something up.
-Uh... Let me... So, let me just...

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ANDERSEN: <i>They sent out</i>
<i>their PR person instead.</i>

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<i>She refused to be filmed and told us</i>
<i>to turn off the camera, but promised</i>

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<i>someone from their rainforest,</i>
<i>ocean and climate change departments</i>

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<i>would all speak with us, finally.</i>

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<i>Next stop was to give Sierra Club a visit.</i>

312
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<i>Turns out, they were a bit more receptive</i>
<i>to me showing up at their doorstep.</i>

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-Hey, how's it going?
-MAN: Good.

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ANDERSEN: With the climate change,
what's the leading cause of that?

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Well, it's basically
burning too many fossil fuels.

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Uh...

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So, coal, natural gas, oil,

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tar sands, oil shale.

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All these new exotic fuels
that are kind of hybrids between them.

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But that's basically
what is loading up the atmosphere,

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so we have this greenhouse effect
where the heat is getting trapped,

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and the temperatures are soaring

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at a rate that has never existed
in the history of the Earth.

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ANDERSEN: And what about
livestock and animal agriculture?

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Uh...

326
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,937
Well, what about it?
I mean... Do you wanna...

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ANDERSEN: We're doing this research. We...

328
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:53,818
A couple of the UN reports say

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livestock accounts for more than
all transportation put together.

330
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A recent 2009 Worldwatch report,

331
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livestock causes 51%
of all greenhouse gas emissions.

332
00:20:06,247 --> 00:20:07,707
Yeah, well, um...

333
00:20:07,790 --> 00:20:12,712
It is a big issue,
and we need to address that as well.

334
00:20:12,795 --> 00:20:16,423
But there's just so many
different potential sources

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of methane and carbon emissions.

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ANDERSEN: If the number one leading cause

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is animal agriculture
and meat consumption,

338
00:20:24,766 --> 00:20:29,561
then doesn't that need to be the
number one focus, if not the number two?

339
00:20:31,688 --> 00:20:35,818
Well, that's your assessment.
Our assessment is different.

340
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ANDERSEN: <i>That was bizarre.</i>

341
00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:43,785
<i>So, Greenpeace got back to me today,</i>
<i>and said,</i>

342
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(READING) "It was great
to meet with you yesterday.

343
00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:51,751
"I've spoken with various people
here at Greenpeace about your request,

344
00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:55,629
"but I'm afraid we're not going to
be able to help this time.

345
00:20:58,465 --> 00:21:00,968
"Thanks again,
and we wish you the best of luck."

346
00:21:01,052 --> 00:21:03,595
<i>Greenpeace's response</i>
<i>reminded me of the statistic that</i>

347
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,808
<i>116,000 pounds of farm animal excrement</i>

348
00:21:06,891 --> 00:21:09,936
<i>is produced every second</i>
<i>in the United States alone.</i>

349
00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:13,940
<i>That is enough waste per year to cover</i>
<i>every square foot of San Francisco,</i>

350
00:21:14,023 --> 00:21:18,820
<i>New York City, Tokyo, Paris, New Delhi,</i>

351
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<i>Berlin, Hong Kong, London, Rio de Janeiro,</i>

352
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:26,743
<i>Delaware, Bali, Costa Rica,</i>
<i>and Denmark combined.</i>

353
00:21:26,828 --> 00:21:28,245
(ALL SCREAMING)

354
00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:33,042
Livestock operations on land
has caused, or created,

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more than 500 nitrogen-flooded dead zones
around the world in our oceans,

356
00:21:37,922 --> 00:21:42,301
<i>comprise more than 95,000 square miles</i>
<i>of areas completely devoid of life.</i>

357
00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:45,888
So, any meaningful discussion
about the state of our oceans

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has to always begin by

359
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frank discussions about
land-based animal agriculture,

360
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<i>which is not what our conservation groups,</i>

361
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<i>Oceana being the largest one in the world</i>
<i>right now, the most influential,</i>

362
00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:01,821
<i>as well as others...</i>

363
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,656
That's not what is at
the apex of their discussions.

364
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:07,576
ANDERSEN: <i>I went on my favorite</i>
<i>ocean-protection organization's website,</i>

365
00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:10,787
<i>Surfrider Foundation,</i>
<i>to see what they were doing about this.</i>

366
00:22:10,872 --> 00:22:14,250
<i>Mostly what I found were</i>
<i>campaigns about plastic bags and trash,</i>

367
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,460
<i>but nothing about animal agriculture.</i>

368
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What is the number one
coastal water quality-issue polluter?

369
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(STAMMERS)

370
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,928
Yeah. I mean, a lot of it...
There's a... It's actually...

371
00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:28,639
I call it...
We call it the "toxic cocktail."

372
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Because it really is
this sort of diffused source.

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So it's, um, heavy metal from tires
and brakes and cars, heavy metals...

374
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:39,066
It is these herbicides and pesticides.

375
00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:43,946
It's kind of picking up
everything we leave on the ground

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and collecting it together
and pushing it out into the ocean.

377
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:49,826
So, it's hard
to actually target one thing.

378
00:22:49,911 --> 00:22:54,081
When we were doing our research
on this particular one, and run-off...

379
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And just increasingly as we're
interviewing more and more people,

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it keeps coming up.

381
00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:01,797
Animal agriculture, as being...

382
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,427
And we read animal agriculture
as being the number one water polluter.

383
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,471
-Considerably, by more than any other...
-Yeah, that's interesting.

384
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,516
I guess it depends
on the regions that you focus on.

385
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:16,228
Like the urban areas,
where we are here in Southern California,

386
00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:20,774
we don't see that because
there's not a lot of agricultural farms.

387
00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:23,319
But if you look in the Mid-Atlantic,

388
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:26,405
Maryland, Virginia,
North Carolina, that region,

389
00:23:26,488 --> 00:23:30,201
I know there's a lot of poultry farms
and a lot of hog farms,

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00:23:30,284 --> 00:23:32,578
and it's a huge waste issue.

391
00:23:32,661 --> 00:23:35,998
ANDERSEN: <i>I was surprised that not only</i>
<i>did they not focus on farm run-off,</i>

392
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<i>but they also didn't mention any campaigns</i>
<i>about how our oceans are in near collapse.</i>

393
00:23:40,877 --> 00:23:43,797
<i>The UN reported that</i>
<i>three-quarters of the world's fisheries</i>

394
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<i>are overexploited, fully exploited, or</i>
<i>significantly depleted due to overfishing.</i>

395
00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,805
The oceans are under siege
like never before,

396
00:23:51,888 --> 00:23:54,225
and marine environments are in trouble.

397
00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:56,978
And if we don't wake up
and do something about it,

398
00:23:57,061 --> 00:24:00,064
we're gonna see fishless oceans
by the year 2048.

399
00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:02,024
That's the prediction from scientists.

400
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:05,944
The fact that when people look at fishing,
sometimes they're only looking at

401
00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:09,906
the fact of the animals
who are actually consumed by humans,

402
00:24:09,991 --> 00:24:11,742
so we're not necessarily looking at

403
00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:14,536
<i>all the animals</i>
<i>who are caught in the drift nets,</i>

404
00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,873
<i>all the other animals</i>
<i>who are killed in the industry.</i>

405
00:24:17,956 --> 00:24:21,710
SUSAN HARTLAND:
<i>We're at over 28 billion animals</i>

406
00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:23,504
<i>were pulled out of the ocean last year.</i>

407
00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:25,589
They're not ever
given a chance to recover.

408
00:24:25,672 --> 00:24:28,467
They can't recover,
they don't multiply that quickly.

409
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,262
They don't come back.
We're not giving them an opportunity.

410
00:24:31,345 --> 00:24:32,929
ANDERSEN: <i>The way fishing is done today,</i>

411
00:24:33,014 --> 00:24:35,724
<i>to feed the demand</i>
<i>for 90 million tons of fish</i>

412
00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:38,394
<i>is primarily through massive fish nets.</i>

413
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,146
<i>For every single pound of fish caught,</i>

414
00:24:40,229 --> 00:24:44,066
<i>there is up to five pounds</i>
<i>of untargeted species trapped,</i>

415
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:48,612
<i>such as dolphins, whales, sea turtles,</i>
<i>and sharks, known as "bi-kill."</i>

416
00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:53,784
<i>If we're to imagine this same sort of</i>
<i>practice happening on the African savanna,</i>

417
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,619
<i>targeting gazelle, but in the process,</i>

418
00:24:55,702 --> 00:24:59,581
<i>scooping up every single lion,</i>
<i>giraffe, ostrich and elephant,</i>

419
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,917
<i>nobody would stand for it.</i>

420
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,672
<i>Yet, this is what is happening</i>
<i>in our oceans every single day.</i>

421
00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,634
DR. OPPENLANDER:
<i>Between 40 and 50 million sharks each year</i>

422
00:25:10,717 --> 00:25:14,055
are killed in fishing lines
and fishing nets as bi-kill.

423
00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:16,598
<i>Then their fins</i>
<i>might be cut off or not cut off,</i>

424
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:22,521
but they're caught initially as bi-kill,
and it's from fishing.

425
00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:26,900
It's from fishing in a sustainable manner,
in many cases,

426
00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:29,278
<i>for fish that are labeled "sustainable"</i>

427
00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:33,949
<i>by, for instance, Oceana and</i>
<i>the sustainable-certified organizations.</i>

428
00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:39,037
So my thought is, "Why would we
want to stop at banning shark-fin soup

429
00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:40,581
"if you're concerned about sharks?"

430
00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:44,460
<i>Which all these organizations are,</i>
<i>and most of the public at large is now.</i>

431
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:47,504
If we really are concerned about sharks,
we would ban fishing.

432
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:50,674
ANDERSEN: <i>I went on the world's largest</i>
<i>ocean-conservation group's website,</i>

433
00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:53,177
<i>Oceana, to see</i>
<i>what they were doing about this.</i>

434
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,638
<i>On their site, along with a TED Talk</i>
<i>by CEO Andy Sharpless,</i>

435
00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:59,308
<i>I was astounded to read</i>
<i>they actually recommend</i>

436
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:02,769
<i>that one of the best ways to help fish</i>
<i>is to eat fish.</i>

437
00:26:02,853 --> 00:26:06,523
<i>With the world's fish population</i>
<i>in near-collapse, this seems like saying</i>

438
00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:09,985
<i>the best way to help endangered pandas</i>
<i>is to eat pandas.</i>

439
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,778
<i>I couldn't understand how Oceana could say</i>

440
00:26:11,862 --> 00:26:15,866
<i>we could remove close to</i>
<i>100 million tons of fish per year,</i>

441
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:19,536
<i>and that could somehow be</i>
<i>sustainable and good for our oceans.</i>

442
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:20,954
DR. OPPENLANDER: <i>Many of the species</i>

443
00:26:21,037 --> 00:26:23,790
<i>that are nearing extinction have done so</i>

444
00:26:23,874 --> 00:26:28,795
<i>are being ravaged and becoming</i>
<i>nearly extinct in a declining fashion,</i>

445
00:26:28,879 --> 00:26:33,425
and haven't recovered
on the watch of Oceana

446
00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:36,553
and on the watch
of Marine Stewardship Council,

447
00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:40,516
<i>and very much on the watch of</i>
<i>Monterey Bay Aquarium Seafood Watch,</i>

448
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,268
<i>which, I mention in one of my lectures,</i>

449
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:44,145
they're aptly named
because that's what they're doing.

450
00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:48,357
They're watching this happen
instead of aggressively halting it.

451
00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:55,531
According to the United Nations'
Food and Agriculture Organization,

452
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,200
roughly three-quarters
of all the fisheries out there

453
00:26:58,284 --> 00:27:00,786
are either
fully exploited or overexploited.

454
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:04,873
So there's really not
a whole lot of fish stocks out there

455
00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:09,961
that you might consider
at healthy levels for the ecosystem.

456
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:14,591
ANDERSEN: Watching Andy's TED Talk
about feeding the world...

457
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:19,221
In 1988, fish catch, as you mention,
peaked at 85 million tons.

458
00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:25,060
How is it possible that we can
sustainably catch 100 million tons by 2050

459
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:30,065
regardless if it's in a farm
or if it's in the ocean?

460
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,401
If for every pound of fish
you're taking out,

461
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:35,612
you're essentially taking out
five pounds of wild fish,

462
00:27:35,696 --> 00:27:40,367
no matter whether
it's a pond or it's in the ocean,

463
00:27:40,451 --> 00:27:42,578
how can that be sustainable?

464
00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:50,461
The ultimate question, right,

465
00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:55,507
is that there is a tremendous amount
of natural production

466
00:27:55,591 --> 00:28:00,346
that is basically
coming out of the oceans all the time.

467
00:28:00,429 --> 00:28:05,100
So we have a massive amount of
upwelling from our ocean conveyer belt

468
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:09,605
that's bringing up ancient,
1,000-year-old nutrients,

469
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:12,733
and our ecosystems
are turning that into fish.

470
00:28:12,816 --> 00:28:14,109
Yes, they're eating each other,

471
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:18,572
and you're losing some of that production
every step up in the food chain,

472
00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:20,282
but you get more every year.

473
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:24,620
You can fish and take some out,
and next year, there will be more.

474
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,121
And if we do that right,

475
00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:29,541
without ultimately hitting
the fundamental driver,

476
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:32,628
it's sort of like
living off the interest, right?

477
00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:36,465
As long as you don't
bring your principal down, right...

478
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:37,758
If you're investing in something,

479
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:39,635
as long as you're not
hitting into that principal

480
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:41,303
and your principal remains high,

481
00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:43,805
you could potentially
live off the interest forever.

482
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:45,682
And that's the basic idea with fish.

483
00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:49,311
ANDERSEN: With our population right now,
what we're doing,

484
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:53,690
if it's 75% depleted,
the fish is now depleted.

485
00:28:53,774 --> 00:28:57,027
And it's a good analogy with money.

486
00:28:57,110 --> 00:29:00,322
We're not living off our interest,
we're in extreme debt.

487
00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:02,658
And if our population,

488
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,995
who's trying to live as a family
on the same amount of money,

489
00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:08,997
-and it's increasing 35%
-(CHUCKLES)

490
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,832
to 9 billion people...

491
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:11,917
Right.

492
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,337
ANDERSEN: Isn't it just,
"Hey, we gotta stop spending money"?

493
00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:16,672
-Yeah.
-"We need to stop eating fish."

494
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,174
Well, if you could
bring the principal back.

495
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:23,345
Fishing of any type
is depleting not only the species,

496
00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:28,767
but you get into this serial depletion
where one fish species will be minimized

497
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:33,814
and the fishing industry for that fishery
will move onto the next species.

498
00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:37,609
It's called serial depletion.
It's aptly named.

499
00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:39,736
<i>In the process...</i>
<i>So the fish are being lost.</i>

500
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:44,533
<i>Not only the species is being lost,</i>
<i>but the next in line is being lost.</i>

501
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:48,036
<i>And then the mechanism</i>
<i>is still extremely destructive.</i>

502
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,331
So they're losing the fish species,

503
00:29:50,414 --> 00:29:53,875
but it needs to be kept in mind
they're also destroying habitat.

504
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,795
I think they came up with this term
"sustainable fishing"

505
00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,506
to make ourselves feel good about

506
00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:04,010
<i>eating fish and continuing to</i>
<i>take fish out of the oceans,</i>

507
00:30:04,094 --> 00:30:06,555
when, in fact, really,
it's Sea Shepherd's position

508
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:09,140
that there is no such thing
as sustainable fishing.

509
00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:14,771
Seafood is not
a sustainable protein source

510
00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:17,816
for the feeding of the planet.

511
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,361
For the people on the planet,
it's just not.

512
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:22,904
People don't wanna hear it.
Because that makes them feel like

513
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:26,074
they have to take action,
they have to stop doing something,

514
00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:28,869
<i>and a lot of people don't want to.</i>
<i>And people don't wanna...</i>

515
00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:31,455
<i>They don't want to put it out there,</i>
<i>because it's uncomfortable.</i>

516
00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:33,332
<i>They don't want to propose</i>
<i>to tell people what to do.</i>

517
00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:36,251
But we're at a point
where we all have to be cognizant.

518
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,379
And we have to realize
and we have to take an action.

519
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:42,758
Our founder, Captain Watson, likes to say,
"If the oceans die, we die."

520
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:45,301
<i>That's not a tag line. That's the truth.</i>

521
00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:47,346
ANDERSEN: <i>Perhaps the only other ecosystem</i>

522
00:30:47,429 --> 00:30:49,848
<i>that is being destroyed</i>
<i>at such a rapid rate</i>

523
00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:51,933
<i>are the world's rainforests.</i>

524
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:55,186
<i>Our global rainforests</i>
<i>are essentially the planet's lungs.</i>

525
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:58,399
<i>They breathe in CO2 and exhale oxygen.</i>

526
00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:02,027
<i>An acre of rainforest is cleared</i>
<i>every second.</i>

527
00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:06,782
<i>And the leading cause is to</i>
<i>graze animals and grow their feed crops.</i>

528
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:11,787
<i>That is essentially an entire football</i>
<i>field cleared every single second.</i>

529
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,122
<i>And it is estimated that every day,</i>

530
00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:18,126
<i>close to 100 plant, animal,</i>
<i>and insect species are lost</i>

531
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:20,128
<i>due to rainforest destruction.</i>

532
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,255
(MOOING)

533
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,646
ANDERSEN:
What is the absolute leading cause

534
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,772
of rainforest destruction?

535
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:43,276
Human intervention into rainforests
is the leading cause.

536
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,822
And so, it's either for logging
or it's for agribusiness.

537
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,282
And that's when you're looking at
the top global drivers,

538
00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:52,828
it will vary a bit by
the rainforest that you're talking about.

539
00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,370
But the way that we're choosing to

540
00:31:54,455 --> 00:32:01,169
use these natural resources on a large
industrial scale is the leading driver.

541
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,338
ANDERSEN: <i>When I went on</i>
<i>Rainforest Action Network's website,</i>

542
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:06,842
<i>I couldn't believe</i>
<i>I didn't see anything about cattle.</i>

543
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,678
<i>But I did see they had</i>
<i>a large campaign against palm oil.</i>

544
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:12,639
<i>Palm oil plantations</i>
<i>are causing tremendous deforestation</i>

545
00:32:12,723 --> 00:32:14,057
<i>in the Indonesian rainforest.</i>

546
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:15,434
<i>It is estimated that</i>

547
00:32:15,517 --> 00:32:19,730
<i>palm oil is responsible</i>
<i>for 26 million acres being cleared.</i>

548
00:32:19,813 --> 00:32:22,899
<i>Though, compared to livestock</i>
<i>and their feed crops,</i>

549
00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:28,447
<i>they were responsible for 136 million</i>
<i>acres of rainforest lost to date.</i>

550
00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:30,699
<i>But on their website,</i>
<i>I was shocked to find</i>

551
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:34,410
<i>cattle was not included</i>
<i>as one of their four main key issues.</i>

552
00:32:34,495 --> 00:32:38,874
<i>Instead they focused on palm,</i>
<i>pulp and paper, coal, and tar sands?</i>

553
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:42,210
<i>How could they not have the leading</i>
<i>cause of rainforest destruction?</i>

554
00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:46,089
<i>I had to wonder, "Why focus on</i>
<i>fossil fuels and not cattle?"</i>

555
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:50,552
ANDERSEN: Is it more fossil fuels,
or is it more animal agriculture?

556
00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,721
I don't know why we would ever
do a one-or-the-other.

557
00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:55,348
ANDERSEN: I'm just wondering,
what more is it?

558
00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:58,560
I don't necessarily know what it is.

559
00:32:58,644 --> 00:33:00,436
ANDERSEN: <i>Could the executive director</i>

560
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:03,857
<i>of one of the world's largest</i>
<i>rainforest protection groups</i>

561
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,901
<i>honestly not know what was going on?</i>

562
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,570
<i>Or even worse,</i>
<i>were they hiding it on purpose?</i>

563
00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:09,863
<i>And if so, why?</i>

564
00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:11,823
<i>I immediately went to Amazon Watch</i>
<i>to see if</i>

565
00:33:11,907 --> 00:33:16,036
<i>they would say what the leading cause</i>
<i>of rainforest destruction truly is.</i>

566
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,998
The most biologically
and culturally diverse place on the planet

567
00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:23,418
is under massive attack right now.

568
00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:28,924
The Amazon rainforest itself could be
gone in the matter of the next 10 years.

569
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,343
ANDERSEN: What is the leading cause
of rainforest destruction?

570
00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:38,391
The leading cause (EXHALES)
of rainforest destruction,

571
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:40,310
um...

572
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,521
I would say,

573
00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:46,608
well, just to put it in the context
of what Amazon Watch works on,

574
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:47,984
um,

575
00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:52,573
there's many, many drivers
of deforestation, as we call them.

576
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:57,452
Many different reasons and ways
that rainforests are destroyed.

577
00:33:57,536 --> 00:34:02,541
The ones that cause the most damage
and are the most widespread

578
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:07,003
are mega projects,
such as oil and gas pipelines,

579
00:34:07,087 --> 00:34:11,382
such as mining projects,
such as mega dam projects.

580
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:12,467
We're not talking about...

581
00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,095
ANDERSEN: <i>I felt like I was</i>
<i>going in circles with all these groups.</i>

582
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,056
<i>As if I were stuck in some strange</i>
<i>cowspiracy twilight zone</i>

583
00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:20,225
<i>where no one could talk about cows.</i>

584
00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:22,728
<i>I couldn't believe</i>
<i>these organizations just wouldn't say</i>

585
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,481
<i>what the leading cause</i>
<i>of rainforest destruction truly is.</i>

586
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,358
<i>I had to ask one more time.</i>

587
00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:34,489
It's hard to say what is a leading cause
of deforestation of the Amazon

588
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:39,703
because they're all destructive,
oil and gas, mining, dams, agriculture.

589
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,454
But in terms of land use,

590
00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:48,336
in terms of the amount of land
that, um, is destroyed by...

591
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,921
Um...

592
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:56,803
When we talk about, in comparison, all
those different causes of deforestation,

593
00:34:56,887 --> 00:35:00,932
what is causing the most trees
to fall, for example,

594
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,018
um,

595
00:35:03,685 --> 00:35:05,979
I think it would definitely
be agriculture.

596
00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:11,610
Unfortunately one of
the biggest causes of deforestation,

597
00:35:12,152 --> 00:35:13,194
um,

598
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:16,197
definitely in the Brazilian Amazon,
is agribusiness.

599
00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:19,993
Cattle grazing and soy production
in particular.

600
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,287
ANDERSEN: <i>This is really what's going on.</i>

601
00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:25,540
-Mmm-hmm.
-ANDERSEN: Why do you think

602
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:30,671
no one at Greenpeace,
or no one's really saying the whole story?

603
00:35:30,754 --> 00:35:34,382
The whole story about
the main cause of deforestation?

604
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:35,591
ANDERSEN: Yeah.

605
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:39,554
I think you've brought up
some really good points about,

606
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:43,058
"Why isn't anybody
doing anything about this?"

607
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,560
And I think in Brazil, in particular,

608
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:49,981
I think when we look at what happened
after the Forest Code was passed,

609
00:35:50,065 --> 00:35:51,858
and people who were standing up

610
00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:56,196
against the lobbyists and the interests,
the special interests,

611
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,240
the cattle industry, the agribusiness
industry, what was happening to them.

612
00:35:59,324 --> 00:36:02,035
A lot of people who were speaking out
got killed.

613
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:05,789
If you look at José Carlos,
you look at Claudio...

614
00:36:05,872 --> 00:36:09,042
There's people who were
putting themselves out there

615
00:36:09,125 --> 00:36:13,504
and saying cattle ranching
is destroying the Amazon.

616
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:18,051
A lot of those people who are really
putting themselves out there.

617
00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:23,598
And look at Dorothy Stang, the nun
who lived out in Pará who was killed.

618
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:26,852
A lot of people will speak up,

619
00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:28,854
but a lot of people
just keep their mouths shut

620
00:36:28,937 --> 00:36:32,816
'cause they don't wanna be the next one
with the bullet to their head.

621
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:37,195
ANDERSEN: <i>Sister Dorothy Stang</i>
<i>was a US-born nun</i>

622
00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:39,906
<i>living in the heart</i>
<i>of the Brazilian rainforest.</i>

623
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:42,617
<i>Her life's work was to protect the Amazon.</i>

624
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,994
<i>She spoke out openly</i>

625
00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:47,914
<i>against the destruction of rainforest</i>
<i>from cattle ranching for years.</i>

626
00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:50,959
<i>Walking home one night,</i>
<i>she was brutally gunned down</i>

627
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:52,878
<i>-at point-blank range</i>
-(GUNSHOT)

628
00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:54,796
<i>by a hired gun from the cattle industry.</i>

629
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:15,650
<i>After Greenpeace's</i>
<i>initial denial for an interview,</i>

630
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:18,153
<i>I wrote again, begging they reconsider.</i>

631
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:21,322
Greenpeace got back again,

632
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:22,657
and said again,

633
00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:26,702
"I'm afraid we've explored
the options here in terms of helping you,

634
00:37:26,787 --> 00:37:31,166
"and are not going to be able
to be involved this time.

635
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,752
"You mentioned
you were also speaking to Oceana.

636
00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:38,464
"I'm sure they'll be able to give you some
great quotes about ocean-related issues.

637
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,967
"Thanks again for thinking of us."

638
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:43,762
Unbelievable.

639
00:37:43,845 --> 00:37:45,847
<i>With Greenpeace</i>
<i>unwilling to be interviewed,</i>

640
00:37:45,931 --> 00:37:47,766
<i>I had to find</i>
<i>a different avenue for answers.</i>

641
00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:51,311
There's something really fishy
going on over there.

642
00:37:51,394 --> 00:37:54,522
<i>Fortunately, l found</i>
<i>a former Greenpeace Board of Director</i>

643
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:57,358
<i>who now speaks openly about the industry.</i>

644
00:37:57,442 --> 00:37:59,903
Environmental organizations,
like other organizations,

645
00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:02,238
are not telling you the truth

646
00:38:02,322 --> 00:38:06,827
about what the world needs
from us as a species.

647
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,956
It's so frustrating when the information
is right before their eyes.

648
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:15,210
It's documented in
peer-reviewed papers and journals.

649
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,420
It's there for everybody to see.

650
00:38:17,503 --> 00:38:21,842
But the environmental organizations
are refusing to act.

651
00:38:21,925 --> 00:38:23,509
Nowhere do you find in their policies

652
00:38:23,593 --> 00:38:27,097
and nowhere do you find
in the Greenpeace mission

653
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:32,936
that diet is important,
that animal agriculture is the problem.

654
00:38:33,769 --> 00:38:36,314
They are refusing,
like other environmental organizations,

655
00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:38,649
to look at the issue.

656
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:43,989
The environmental community is failing us
and they're failing ecosystems.

657
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:49,327
And it's so frustrating
to see them do this.

658
00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:55,876
"NRDC, the Earth's best defense."

659
00:38:55,959 --> 00:39:02,673
All right, so here they actually do have
a few things on animal agriculture.

660
00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:12,808
The leading cause of environmental
degradation is too much pollution

661
00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:17,563
and too many engines churning too fast

662
00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:20,984
in too many places around the globe.

663
00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:23,945
ANDERSEN: Lately, in 2009,
Worldwatch reported that

664
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:28,116
livestock causes 51%
of greenhouse gas emissions,

665
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,160
and transportation's around 13%.

666
00:39:30,243 --> 00:39:34,330
And on the low end,
the UN was around 18% to 30%,

667
00:39:34,414 --> 00:39:38,501
which is more than
all transportation all put together.

668
00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:43,298
-Internationally? Or nationally?
-ANDERSEN: The entire globe. Yeah.

669
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:50,305
I think energy production and
transportation are still major sources,

670
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:52,390
so I think, um...

671
00:39:52,473 --> 00:39:54,142
I guess I'm not gonna comment on that

672
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:56,186
because I'm not familiar
with those numbers.

673
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:57,979
So it's... (CHUCKLES)

674
00:39:58,063 --> 00:40:01,024
Don't quote me on this,
but that's cow farts.

675
00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:03,318
That's, I think, what that is.

676
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,819
-ANDERSEN: It's...
-(LAUGHS)

677
00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:07,948
I think that's cow farts.

678
00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,615
(WOMAN LAUGHING)

679
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,994
(LAUGHING)

680
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:14,996
ANDERSEN: <i>Well, that's part of the story.</i>

681
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,873
<i>Methane production from cows</i>
<i>and other livestock's flatulence</i>

682
00:40:17,958 --> 00:40:19,584
<i>is a major contributor.</i>

683
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:23,004
<i>But mostly, it is due to deforestation</i>
<i>and the waste they produce,</i>

684
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:27,675
<i>which is 130 times more waste</i>
<i>than the entire human population.</i>

685
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:31,471
<i>Virtually all without the benefit</i>
<i>of any waste treatment.</i>

686
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:36,892
NRDC absolutely, as I said,
has a big food program.

687
00:40:36,977 --> 00:40:40,521
In fact, every year we do
the Growing Green Awards,

688
00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:42,898
and we recognize food innovators.

689
00:40:42,983 --> 00:40:44,817
And this last year,

690
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:50,823
one of the awardees was
a sustainable pork producer, actually,

691
00:40:50,906 --> 00:40:54,452
that doesn't use any antibiotics.

692
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,413
And also the antibiotic use

693
00:40:57,497 --> 00:41:03,753
that industrial food production
in the United States uses right now is...

694
00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:04,837
We're giving...

695
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,841
The majority of antibiotics
in the United States

696
00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:12,470
are administered to healthy livestock.

697
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:18,977
ANDERSEN: <i>I wanted to visit</i>
<i>one of these sustainable farms.</i>

698
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:23,648
<i>I found the Markegard Grass-Fed beef farm</i>
<i>on the lush, misty California coast.</i>

699
00:41:32,407 --> 00:41:35,994
<i>I met Erik and Doniga Markegard</i>
<i>and their four children.</i>

700
00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:40,248
DONIGA: <i>Lea and Larry</i>
<i>are usually up at 6:00</i>

701
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:44,919
<i>and out milking the cows,</i>
<i>slopping the hogs.</i>

702
00:41:53,053 --> 00:41:58,308
All together, we graze about 4,500 acres.

703
00:42:00,226 --> 00:42:02,437
And this is our home ranch.

704
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,649
And this is 952 acres of that.

705
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:14,699
On average, it's about one cow,
or a cow and a calf, per every 10 acres.

706
00:42:17,827 --> 00:42:19,662
<i>We would produce annually</i>

707
00:42:19,745 --> 00:42:25,210
<i>roughly 80,000 pounds</i>
<i>of finished, plate-ready meat.</i>

708
00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:39,099
<i>We keep about 10 pigs</i>
<i>in roughly a 50-acre area,</i>

709
00:42:39,182 --> 00:42:43,018
<i>and we move them around</i>
<i>in 10-acre pastures.</i>

710
00:42:43,103 --> 00:42:46,981
Some people think that
pigs are dirty and gross,

711
00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:48,774
but I really like them.

712
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:55,365
<i>They know people,</i>
<i>and they'll be friends and really nice.</i>

713
00:42:56,949 --> 00:43:01,829
And they could be like your best friend,
or could be like a sister.

714
00:43:01,912 --> 00:43:03,748
See?

715
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:06,459
They know you when you get to know them.

716
00:43:08,294 --> 00:43:11,005
LEA: I shouldn't be bonding,
but we have to have nice pigs.

717
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:12,965
Why shouldn't you bond with them?

718
00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:14,884
Well, because they're
gonna turn into bacon.

719
00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:16,302
Oh.

720
00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:21,391
These pigs are about seven months old now.

721
00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:22,475
That's it? Wow.

722
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,977
So these bigger ones
are getting ready to be killed.

723
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:30,108
Those two smaller ones there,
they could grow up a few more months.

724
00:43:31,484 --> 00:43:34,904
I love animals. And I...

725
00:43:34,987 --> 00:43:37,282
That's why I'm in the meat business.

726
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:41,244
It's what more of society needs to see,

727
00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:46,499
is that that packaged piece of meat
is a living animal.

728
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:47,625
(CHUCKLES)

729
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:52,130
Living and breathing creature that...

730
00:43:52,213 --> 00:43:54,465
Yeah, it's hard, it's hard.

731
00:43:54,549 --> 00:43:57,843
But like what Doniga said earlier,

732
00:43:57,927 --> 00:44:00,305
we do it because we love them.

733
00:44:00,388 --> 00:44:02,973
ANDERSEN: With the land use,
there's anywhere between...

734
00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:10,022
With industrial, as low as
2 to 2.5 acres per cow,

735
00:44:10,105 --> 00:44:15,236
all the way up to some, depending...
It's not as lush as this, up to 35 acres.

736
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,030
Yeah, we have a ranch in South Dakota
that's 50 acres.

737
00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:19,157
ANDERSEN: Fifty acres per...

738
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,701
(CHUCKLING) Yeah,
it's about 50 acres, yeah.

739
00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:23,911
-ANDERSEN: And why is that?
-Uh...

740
00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:27,998
Same thing. It was just farmed
and robbed of all the nitrogen.

741
00:44:28,082 --> 00:44:29,459
-The land was abused.
-It's also seasonal, right?

742
00:44:29,542 --> 00:44:30,918
And it's also seasonal.

743
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,963
ANDERSEN: Is it possible
and is it practical

744
00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:36,924
for the whole world to say,

745
00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:39,051
"Have grass-fed cattle"?

746
00:44:39,134 --> 00:44:41,053
Say Brazil,

747
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:47,643
where supposedly 80% of the rainforest
was destroyed for cattle.

748
00:44:47,727 --> 00:44:50,438
What are your thoughts on that?

749
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,315
They shouldn't be eating beef.

750
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:59,280
If their environment
wasn't designed to raise beef,

751
00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:01,241
-then they shouldn't be eating it.
-Yeah.

752
00:45:01,324 --> 00:45:05,035
ANDERSEN: How do you offset
the carbon footprint of livestock?

753
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:06,871
Uh...

754
00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:13,378
We don't feel like
livestock have a carbon footprint.

755
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:16,797
ANDERSEN: <i>I left there feeling confused.</i>

756
00:45:16,881 --> 00:45:19,634
<i>And as far as grass-fed beef</i>
<i>not having a carbon footprint,</i>

757
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:21,844
<i>it actually sounded like</i>
<i>it could make sense,</i>

758
00:45:21,927 --> 00:45:24,847
<i>until I added up the numbers</i>
<i>on land use and population.</i>

759
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,099
<i>If we're to use</i>
<i>the Markegard model of raising animals,</i>

760
00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:30,728
<i>which requires 4,500 acres</i>
<i>producing 80,000 pounds of meat,</i>

761
00:45:30,811 --> 00:45:33,523
<i>the average American eats</i>
<i>209 pounds of meat per year.</i>

762
00:45:33,606 --> 00:45:37,985
<i>If that was all grass-fed beef, only</i>
<i>382 people could be fed on their land.</i>

763
00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:43,324
<i>That equates to 11.7 acres per person</i>
<i>times 314 million Americans,</i>

764
00:45:43,408 --> 00:45:46,827
<i>which equals 3.7 billion acres</i>
<i>of grazing land.</i>

765
00:45:46,911 --> 00:45:51,957
<i>Unfortunately, there are only 1.9 billion</i>
<i>acres in the US's lower 48 states.</i>

766
00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:54,377
<i>Currently nearly half</i>
<i>of all United States' land</i>

767
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,837
<i>is already dedicated</i>
<i>to animal agriculture.</i>

768
00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,673
<i>If we're to switch over to grass-fed beef,</i>

769
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:01,842
<i>it would require clearing</i>
<i>every square inch of the United States,</i>

770
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:06,013
<i>up into Canada, all of Central America,</i>
<i>and well into South America.</i>

771
00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:09,016
<i>And this is just to feed</i>
<i>the United States' demand on meat.</i>

772
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:12,019
<i>But that figure doesn't even</i>
<i>take into consideration</i>

773
00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,397
<i>that much of that land</i>
<i>isn't suited to graze livestock.</i>

774
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,275
<i>We would have to convert</i>
<i>all mountain ranges to grassland,</i>

775
00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:21,529
<i>clear ancient forests</i>
<i>and national parks to grazing,</i>

776
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:25,825
<i>and demolish every city</i>
<i>just to make room to graze cows.</i>

777
00:46:25,908 --> 00:46:30,287
<i>Just like Brazil, the United States</i>
<i>isn't suited to meet the demands for meat.</i>

778
00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:33,207
It takes 23 months for a grass-fed animal

779
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:36,377
to grow to the point,
to the size and age that it's slaughtered,

780
00:46:36,461 --> 00:46:39,171
<i>whereas a grain-fed takes 15 months.</i>

781
00:46:39,254 --> 00:46:45,470
So that's an additional eight months
of water use, land use, feed, waste,

782
00:46:45,553 --> 00:46:48,889
and in terms of a carbon footprint,
that's a huge difference.

783
00:46:48,973 --> 00:46:50,891
ANDERSEN: <i>Turns out, due to land use,</i>

784
00:46:50,975 --> 00:46:54,895
<i>grass-fed beef is more unsustainable</i>
<i>than even factory farming.</i>

785
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,650
<i>I had to come to terms with the fact</i>
<i>there was no way to sustainably raise</i>

786
00:46:59,734 --> 00:47:02,612
<i>enough animals to feed</i>
<i>the world's current demand on meat,</i>

787
00:47:02,695 --> 00:47:04,655
<i>and had my doubts on dairy as well.</i>

788
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:07,658
<i>But I did want to talk</i>
<i>with a premier organic dairy company</i>

789
00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:11,621
<i>to see if they believed their product was</i>
<i>sustainable for the world's population.</i>

790
00:47:11,704 --> 00:47:15,082
It requires a lot of inputs
to produce milk.

791
00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:18,961
The feed, the water, the land. It does.

792
00:47:19,044 --> 00:47:23,215
And it may not be practical to expect that

793
00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:26,927
there can be enough dairy production
produced in a sustainable way

794
00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:28,971
to feed the entire world.

795
00:47:29,054 --> 00:47:32,808
I just don't think that
that's necessarily a given.

796
00:47:32,892 --> 00:47:36,228
I think it's maybe too much to expect

797
00:47:36,311 --> 00:47:42,234
that the world can be fed with dairy
in a sustainable way.

798
00:47:42,317 --> 00:47:47,740
I don't know the answer, but
common sense would say that's a long shot.

799
00:47:47,823 --> 00:47:50,660
ANDERSEN: <i>I was shocked</i>
<i>to hear such an honest answer.</i>

800
00:47:50,743 --> 00:47:55,164
<i>If this is what the dairy CEO would say,</i>
<i>I wondered what the farmer would claim.</i>

801
00:47:55,247 --> 00:47:59,209
<i>Based on their marketing, it seemed</i>
<i>their farms were an oasis for cows.</i>

802
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:06,717
<i>It was not what I expected.</i>

803
00:48:11,764 --> 00:48:13,098
(AIR HISSING)

804
00:48:18,521 --> 00:48:23,484
Typically, a cow will eat
140 to 150 pounds of feed a day.

805
00:48:23,568 --> 00:48:24,777
ANDERSEN: A hundred and...

806
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:27,447
A hundred and forty to 150 pounds
of feed every day.

807
00:48:27,572 --> 00:48:31,033
<i>And then she's also gonna drink</i>
<i>between 30 and 40 gallons of water.</i>

808
00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:32,409
ANDERSEN: <i>Oh, my Lord.</i>

809
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:37,081
TAYLOR: <i>Probably go through</i>
<i>about probably 20 tons per week.</i>

810
00:48:37,164 --> 00:48:39,459
ANDERSEN: <i>Twenty tons of...</i>
TAYLOR: <i>Twenty tons of grain per week.</i>

811
00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:40,543
ANDERSEN: <i>For?</i>

812
00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:44,296
TAYLOR: <i>Primarily for our milking cows,</i>
<i>so about 250 cows.</i>

813
00:48:46,298 --> 00:48:49,343
Yeah, so the biggest part
of sustainability, to me,

814
00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:51,846
the number one thing on the list
should be profitability.

815
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:57,267
<i>So how the process completely works,</i>
<i>from start to finish,</i>

816
00:48:57,351 --> 00:48:59,770
<i>is the cow needs to have a baby</i>
<i>in order to give milk.</i>

817
00:48:59,854 --> 00:49:01,105
<i>And so she'll have her baby,</i>

818
00:49:01,188 --> 00:49:05,025
<i>that baby's gonna stay</i>
<i>with the mother for at least two days.</i>

819
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:07,820
<i>The babies will go off</i>
<i>to our calf-raising facility,</i>

820
00:49:07,903 --> 00:49:10,865
<i>so they have an individual hutch</i>
<i>that they'll be raised in.</i>

821
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,451
<i>Since we're a dairy,</i>
<i>it's only the girl cows that give us milk.</i>

822
00:49:14,535 --> 00:49:18,873
<i>So the boys, on typical dairies, they're</i>
<i>sold off to beef-raising facilities.</i>

823
00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:20,708
<i>But we do keep approximately half,</i>

824
00:49:20,791 --> 00:49:23,836
<i>and we raise them for two years</i>
<i>and sell them as organic grass-fed beef.</i>

825
00:49:24,837 --> 00:49:27,131
So all dairy cows
eventually go to the beef industry?

826
00:49:27,214 --> 00:49:28,215
Mmm-hmm.

827
00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:31,969
TAYLOR: <i>At some point in time,</i>
<i>she's really gonna drop off.</i>

828
00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:34,429
<i>And so you have to make</i>
<i>a business decision at that point.</i>

829
00:49:34,514 --> 00:49:37,474
<i>Are you gonna keep</i>
<i>investing in her to give milk,</i>

830
00:49:37,558 --> 00:49:41,979
<i>or are you gonna sell her off again to</i>
<i>another dairy, or into the beef industry?</i>

831
00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:55,993
<i>There's very few places on this planet</i>
<i>that have this type of environment.</i>

832
00:49:56,076 --> 00:50:00,205
But the demand on dairy-based protein
in the world is only gonna increase.

833
00:50:00,289 --> 00:50:01,916
And there's not enough land on the planet

834
00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:06,587
to do this type of dairying
around the world. It's just...

835
00:50:06,671 --> 00:50:10,090
The environment is not gonna be that way.
The land's not there.

836
00:50:10,174 --> 00:50:11,884
So, I guess on a global scale,

837
00:50:11,967 --> 00:50:15,345
the conclusion would be
dairy's not sustainable.

838
00:50:17,097 --> 00:50:20,851
Unless we start digging up houses
and putting pastures back. (CHUCKLES)

839
00:50:22,562 --> 00:50:24,564
And the only way to start
digging up houses and development

840
00:50:24,647 --> 00:50:26,774
is to have less people.

841
00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:30,736
But we only know that the population
is gonna continue to grow.

842
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,321
Um...

843
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:35,282
So that means more
commercial dairying, I'm sure.

844
00:50:35,365 --> 00:50:37,827
Either that, or somehow
lower demand by the people?

845
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:39,954
Yeah, or some other product
is gonna take its place.

846
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:44,291
We see there's all sorts of
soy milks and almond milk

847
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:46,543
and a lot of other products
that are coming out,

848
00:50:46,627 --> 00:50:50,798
and different blends
where you take juices and proteins.

849
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:52,717
And I think you'll see a lot more of that.

850
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,845
ANDERSEN: <i>He was right.</i>
<i>How could cow's milk be sustainable?</i>

851
00:50:55,928 --> 00:50:57,304
<i>For in one gallon of milk,</i>

852
00:50:57,387 --> 00:51:00,600
<i>it takes upwards of</i>
<i>1,000 gallons of water to produce.</i>

853
00:51:00,683 --> 00:51:03,936
<i>Almost a third of the planet's land</i>
<i>is becoming desert,</i>

854
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:06,731
<i>with a vast majority</i>
<i>due to livestock grazing.</i>

855
00:51:06,814 --> 00:51:08,691
<i>Doing research on grass-fed livestock,</i>

856
00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:11,360
<i>I kept coming across</i>
<i>the work of Allan Savory.</i>

857
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:15,489
<i>Savory claims that the best way</i>
<i>to reverse this desertification</i>

858
00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:18,075
<i>is to actually graze more animals.</i>

859
00:51:18,158 --> 00:51:19,785
<i>This reminded me of Oceana saying,</i>

860
00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:22,162
<i>"The best way to help fish</i>
<i>is to eat fish."</i>

861
00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:24,832
<i>This is the same man, during the 1950s,</i>

862
00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:28,836
<i>working as a research officer for the</i>
<i>game department of what is now Zimbabwe,</i>

863
00:51:28,919 --> 00:51:30,045
<i>came up with a theory</i>

864
00:51:30,129 --> 00:51:33,633
<i>that actually elephants</i>
<i>were the cause of desertification there.</i>

865
00:51:33,716 --> 00:51:38,428
<i>And his solution was convincing</i>
<i>the government to kill 40,000 elephants.</i>

866
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,436
<i>Yet, after 14 years</i>
<i>of relentless slaughter,</i>

867
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,857
<i>the conditions only got worse.</i>

868
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,985
<i>His theory was wrong.</i>

869
00:51:53,068 --> 00:51:54,611
<i>The culling finally ended,</i>

870
00:51:54,695 --> 00:51:59,784
<i>but not until tens of thousands of</i>
<i>elephants and their families were killed.</i>

871
00:51:59,867 --> 00:52:03,663
<i>This is not someone I would ever</i>
<i>take ecological advice from.</i>

872
00:52:13,964 --> 00:52:15,675
<i>It turns out, the cattle industry</i>

873
00:52:15,758 --> 00:52:19,887
<i>is having the same effect</i>
<i>on wildlife in the United States.</i>

874
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:22,472
DENIZE BOLBOL: <i>The government has been</i>
<i>rounding up horses en masse,</i>

875
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:26,393
and we now have more wild horses and
burros in government holding facilities,

876
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:29,939
50,000 wild horses and burros
in government holding facilities,

877
00:52:30,022 --> 00:52:31,398
<i>than we have free on the range.</i>

878
00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:32,692
<i>Basically, you have ranchers</i>

879
00:52:32,775 --> 00:52:37,404
<i>who get to graze on our public lands</i>
<i>for a fraction of the going rate.</i>

880
00:52:37,487 --> 00:52:39,364
<i>So they're getting this huge tax subsidy</i>

881
00:52:39,448 --> 00:52:41,701
<i>that's about one-fifteenth</i>
<i>of the going rate.</i>

882
00:52:41,784 --> 00:52:43,953
<i>And what the Bureau of Land Management</i>
<i>has to do is say,</i>

883
00:52:44,036 --> 00:52:46,163
<i>"How much forage and water</i>
<i>is on the land?"</i>

884
00:52:46,246 --> 00:52:47,247
<i>And then they divvy it up.</i>

885
00:52:47,331 --> 00:52:50,751
They give so much to the cows,
so much to "wildlife,"

886
00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:52,920
and so much to the wild horses and burros.

887
00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:54,213
<i>And what we see is</i>

888
00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:58,801
<i>the lion's share of the forage and water</i>
<i>is going to the livestock industry.</i>

889
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,470
<i>And then they scapegoat</i>
<i>the horses and burros and say,</i>

890
00:53:01,553 --> 00:53:05,224
<i>"There are too many horses and burros.</i>
<i>Let's remove them."</i>

891
00:53:05,307 --> 00:53:08,853
<i>I always tell people that wild horses</i>
<i>and burros are just one of the victims</i>

892
00:53:08,936 --> 00:53:11,688
<i>of the management</i>
<i>of our public lands for livestock</i>

893
00:53:11,772 --> 00:53:14,649
because we also see
the predator killing going on.

894
00:53:14,734 --> 00:53:19,238
We know wolves are now being targeted
by ranchers, to get rid of wolves.

895
00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:23,617
USDA has aircraft, and all they do
is aerial gunning of predators.

896
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,703
<i>So, all a rancher does is call up and say,</i>
<i>"I've got coyote here."</i>

897
00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:28,538
<i>They'll come over</i>
<i>and they'll shoot the coyote,</i>

898
00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:31,166
<i>or they'll shoot the mountain lion,</i>
<i>or they'll shoot the bobcat.</i>

899
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:34,128
<i>And this is all for ranching.</i>

900
00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:39,759
In Washington state, after cattle
were found to be attacked on public lands,

901
00:53:39,842 --> 00:53:42,677
where they were grazing under permit,

902
00:53:42,762 --> 00:53:48,768
Washington state decided to
kill the entire Wedge pack of wolves.

903
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:51,812
<i>And those wolves were not introduced.</i>

904
00:53:51,896 --> 00:53:54,481
<i>They had in-migrated from Canada,</i>

905
00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:56,525
<i>but they're no longer there.</i>

906
00:53:56,608 --> 00:54:00,487
BOLBOL: <i>It starts at the local level,</i>
<i>with the Bureau of Land Managements,</i>

907
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:02,114
but then it goes all the way to Congress.

908
00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:05,742
And we see Congress,
sitting there, willing to allow

909
00:54:05,826 --> 00:54:08,662
<i>this type of mismanagement</i>
<i>of our public lands to continue.</i>

910
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:13,125
It is the insistence of
and the lobbying power of

911
00:54:13,208 --> 00:54:16,128
the animal agriculture industry

912
00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,965
<i>that continues to see wolves killed,</i>

913
00:54:20,049 --> 00:54:21,967
<i>continues to see an insistence</i>

914
00:54:22,051 --> 00:54:28,057
<i>that predators be maintained at a low</i>
<i>level that does not benefit ecosystems.</i>

915
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:29,975
I've seen so many pieces of land.

916
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:32,394
<i>I've looked at</i>
<i>so many environmental assessments</i>

917
00:54:32,477 --> 00:54:33,938
<i>from the Bureau of Land Management</i>

918
00:54:34,021 --> 00:54:37,107
<i>where they say the range lands</i>
<i>are not meeting standards.</i>

919
00:54:37,191 --> 00:54:39,068
<i>And they say, straight-up,</i>

920
00:54:39,151 --> 00:54:42,446
<i>livestock grazing is a cause</i>
<i>for not meeting range standards.</i>

921
00:54:42,529 --> 00:54:45,407
<i>And yet, they will continue</i>
<i>to allow livestock grazing.</i>

922
00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:48,577
They're at the very core of

923
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:53,165
making sure that
cougars are treed by hounds,

924
00:54:53,248 --> 00:54:55,500
<i>and that wolf packs are run down,</i>

925
00:54:55,584 --> 00:54:59,713
<i>and that hunting seasons</i>
<i>are opened up year-round,</i>

926
00:54:59,796 --> 00:55:02,549
<i>and that traps are set</i>
<i>so that they can suffer.</i>

927
00:55:02,632 --> 00:55:04,051
BOLBOL: <i>If anyone cares about</i>

928
00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:07,888
wild horses and wildlife
and public lands and the environment,

929
00:55:07,972 --> 00:55:11,391
you can't ignore the impact,
the negative impact,

930
00:55:11,475 --> 00:55:14,186
that livestock grazing is having
on our public lands in the West.

931
00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:19,274
DAVID SIMON: <i>I've added up</i>
<i>the costs of animal food production</i>

932
00:55:19,358 --> 00:55:22,069
that the producers
don't actually bear themselves.

933
00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:24,905
<i>These are the hidden costs,</i>
<i>or the externalized costs,</i>

934
00:55:24,989 --> 00:55:26,740
<i>that they impose on society.</i>

935
00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:31,120
<i>And those are in categories like</i>
<i>health care, environmental damage,</i>

936
00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:35,082
<i>subsidies, damage to fisheries,</i>
<i>and even cruelty.</i>

937
00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:40,045
If you take those externalized costs,
which are about $414 billion...

938
00:55:40,129 --> 00:55:45,384
If the meat and dairy industries
were required to internalize those costs,

939
00:55:45,467 --> 00:55:47,594
if they had to
bear those costs themselves,

940
00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:52,224
the costs of the retail prices
of meat and dairy would skyrocket.

941
00:55:52,307 --> 00:55:56,478
So a $5 carton of eggs would go to $13.

942
00:55:56,561 --> 00:55:59,398
A $4 Big Mac would go to $11.

943
00:55:59,481 --> 00:56:00,774
Whether you eat meat or not,

944
00:56:00,857 --> 00:56:03,402
whether you're
an omnivore or an herbivore,

945
00:56:03,485 --> 00:56:07,864
you are paying part of the costs
of somebody else's consumption.

946
00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:11,743
So that when somebody goes into
a McDonald's and buys a Big Mac for $4,

947
00:56:11,826 --> 00:56:15,372
there's another $7 of costs
that's imposed on society.

948
00:56:15,455 --> 00:56:18,542
I'm paying that. You're paying that,
whether you eat meat or not.

949
00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:20,502
When you really look at who's benefiting,

950
00:56:20,585 --> 00:56:23,964
and who lobbied
for this system of agriculture,

951
00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:29,970
it's the largest food producers in the
country and the largest meat producers.

952
00:56:30,054 --> 00:56:33,140
<i>And once they become so large and wealthy,</i>

953
00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:38,728
<i>then they can dictate</i>
<i>the federal policies around producing food</i>

954
00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:42,732
because they have so much political power.

955
00:56:43,025 --> 00:56:46,070
ANDERSEN: <i>I knew I needed to talk to</i>
<i>an animal agriculture lobby group</i>

956
00:56:46,153 --> 00:56:47,821
<i>to see what they had to say.</i>

957
00:56:47,904 --> 00:56:49,323
<i>If they could silence the government,</i>

958
00:56:49,406 --> 00:56:51,700
<i>are they influencing</i>
<i>and possibly have connections to</i>

959
00:56:51,783 --> 00:56:54,369
<i>these environmental groups as well?</i>

960
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:57,539
Animal Agriculture Alliance, one of the
biggest livestock lobby groups in America,

961
00:56:57,622 --> 00:56:58,832
has agreed to an interview.

962
00:56:58,915 --> 00:57:01,543
Greenpeace won't give us an interview,

963
00:57:01,626 --> 00:57:04,879
but Animal Agriculture Alliance
has agreed to an interview.

964
00:57:04,964 --> 00:57:06,881
Now, that...

965
00:57:06,966 --> 00:57:09,176
Now, that is saying something.

966
00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:12,804
People hear the word GMOs,
and that's a really scary term.

967
00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:16,850
And again, I think Agriculture's
struggled to explain what that means,

968
00:57:16,934 --> 00:57:22,022
but in reality,
what we've done is to use technology

969
00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:26,276
to make advancements in how we
raise crops and how we raise animals.

970
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,486
We're not gonna feed the world

971
00:57:27,569 --> 00:57:32,950
going back to how it was 100 years ago
where all the animals were pasture-fed.

972
00:57:33,033 --> 00:57:35,660
We didn't just move animals inside

973
00:57:35,744 --> 00:57:38,913
and just implement
these large vertically-integrated systems

974
00:57:38,998 --> 00:57:40,499
because of sustainability.

975
00:57:40,582 --> 00:57:43,377
It certainly reduces
the environmental impact

976
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:47,089
while improving
animal well-being and food safety.

977
00:57:47,172 --> 00:57:51,010
ANDERSEN: So you're saying that animals
like it just as much being inside...

978
00:57:51,093 --> 00:57:53,803
Say the chickens and the cows
like being just as much inside

979
00:57:53,887 --> 00:57:55,722
as pasture grass-fed?

980
00:57:55,805 --> 00:58:00,227
In a lot of cases, it's been a significant
improvement in their well-being,

981
00:58:00,310 --> 00:58:04,314
just in terms of the amount of care
they can get, individualized care.

982
00:58:04,398 --> 00:58:05,565
ANDERSEN: Does the meat and dairy industry

983
00:58:05,649 --> 00:58:09,694
ever support or donate to
environmental non-profits?

984
00:58:09,778 --> 00:58:12,239
I don't know that
I would want to comment on that.

985
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:14,783
KAY SMITH: Yeah, l... I don't...

986
00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:16,243
I don't know. (CHUCKLES)

987
00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:21,831
SMITH: I don't know that we would know
what they donate to or don't donate to.

988
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:24,584
ANDERSEN: Does meat and dairy industry

989
00:58:24,668 --> 00:58:28,005
ever support or donate to,
say, Greenpeace?

990
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:32,426
Again, I don't know
that I would feel comfortable...

991
00:58:35,054 --> 00:58:37,347
WOMAN: (ON PHONE) <i>Hey, sorry we didn't</i>
<i>get back to you earlier.</i>

992
00:58:37,431 --> 00:58:38,640
<i>I have some bad news.</i>

993
00:58:38,723 --> 00:58:42,769
<i>Unfortunately, we are no longer</i>
<i>able to fund your film project.</i>

994
00:58:42,852 --> 00:58:46,606
<i>We had a meeting, and due to</i>
<i>the growing controversial subject matter,</i>

995
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:49,193
<i>we have some concerns</i>
<i>and have to pull out.</i>

996
00:58:49,276 --> 00:58:52,112
ANDERSEN: <i>Why was</i>
<i>this subject so controversial?</i>

997
00:58:52,196 --> 00:58:54,948
<i>The first person I could think</i>
<i>to speak with was Howard Lyman,</i>

998
00:58:55,032 --> 00:58:56,325
<i>who had been sued by cattlemen</i>

999
00:58:56,408 --> 00:59:01,330
<i>for simply speaking the truth about animal</i>
<i>agriculture on</i> The Oprah Winfrey Show.

1000
00:59:03,582 --> 00:59:08,378
I was born on the largest dairy farm
in the state of Montana in 1938.

1001
00:59:09,003 --> 00:59:10,004
Uh...

1002
00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:16,470
Grew up my entire life
on a livestock farm.

1003
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:21,141
Went to Montana State University,
got a degree in agriculture.

1004
00:59:21,225 --> 00:59:23,643
Came back and started

1005
00:59:23,727 --> 00:59:28,315
a mega agriculture endeavor

1006
00:59:28,398 --> 00:59:32,319
where I had 10,000 acres of crop,

1007
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:34,821
7,000 head of cattle,

1008
00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:38,367
and about 30 employees, so...

1009
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:42,829
I spent 45 years of my life
in animal agriculture,

1010
00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:46,916
and so, I've been there, done that.

1011
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,255
When I was on <i>The Oprah Show,</i>
we had the food disparagement law.

1012
00:59:51,921 --> 00:59:56,343
Now, the food disparagement law,
in my opinion, was unconstitutional,

1013
00:59:56,426 --> 01:00:00,347
but what it basically said,
that it was against the law

1014
01:00:00,430 --> 01:00:06,186
to say something you knew to be false
about a perishable commodity.

1015
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:09,856
I didn't say anything on <i>The Oprah Show</i>
I thought to be false.

1016
01:00:09,939 --> 01:00:12,526
I went there and told the truth.

1017
01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:17,614
Now, it took five years
and hundreds of thousands of dollars

1018
01:00:18,365 --> 01:00:21,618
to end up extricating myself

1019
01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:25,622
from the suits from the cattle industry.

1020
01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:31,211
But if I was to go on
<i>The Oprah Show</i> today,

1021
01:00:31,295 --> 01:00:36,383
say exactly the same thing today
that I said back then,

1022
01:00:36,466 --> 01:00:37,634
I would be guilty.

1023
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:43,723
And for me, when they were talking
about the food disparagement law,

1024
01:00:43,807 --> 01:00:48,520
it was the fact of whether
I told the truth or not.

1025
01:00:48,603 --> 01:00:52,106
You can go today and tell the truth,

1026
01:00:53,192 --> 01:00:55,652
and you will be guilty,

1027
01:00:55,735 --> 01:00:59,406
because if you cause a disruption

1028
01:00:59,489 --> 01:01:03,493
in the profits of the animal industry,

1029
01:01:04,118 --> 01:01:07,497
you're guilty under the PATRIOT Act.

1030
01:01:07,581 --> 01:01:10,625
ANDERSEN: Do you think
there should be any concern

1031
01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:12,961
of us making this documentary?

1032
01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:14,463
Of course.

1033
01:01:14,546 --> 01:01:16,923
If you don't realize right now

1034
01:01:17,006 --> 01:01:20,469
that you're putting your neck
on the chopping block,

1035
01:01:20,552 --> 01:01:25,014
(CLEARS THROAT) you better
take that camera and throw it away.

1036
01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:29,353
POTTER: <i>The animal agriculture industry</i>

1037
01:01:29,436 --> 01:01:31,646
is one of the most powerful industries
on the planet.

1038
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:34,608
I think most people in this country
are aware of the influence

1039
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,194
of money and industry on politics,

1040
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:41,448
and we really see that clearly on display
with this industry in particular.

1041
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,784
Most people would be shocked to learn that
animal rights and environmental activists

1042
01:01:44,868 --> 01:01:48,497
are the number one domestic terrorism
threat according to the FBI.

1043
01:01:48,913 --> 01:01:51,541
-ANDERSEN: And why is that?
-It's a difficult question to answer,

1044
01:01:51,625 --> 01:01:54,794
why these groups
are at the top of the FBI's priorities.

1045
01:01:54,878 --> 01:01:57,214
I think a big part of it is that

1046
01:01:57,297 --> 01:02:00,259
they, more than really
any other social movements today,

1047
01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:02,469
are directly
threatening corporate profits.

1048
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:05,222
When we try to find out how

1049
01:02:05,305 --> 01:02:08,725
factory farms and how animal agriculture
is polluting the environment,

1050
01:02:08,808 --> 01:02:10,810
they try to claim exemptions
to that information,

1051
01:02:10,894 --> 01:02:13,813
either under national security terms
or public safety.

1052
01:02:14,648 --> 01:02:18,192
Trademark issues, it's a business secret.

1053
01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:19,653
We've seen all these attempts

1054
01:02:19,736 --> 01:02:22,489
to keep people in the dark
about what they're actually doing.

1055
01:02:22,572 --> 01:02:24,491
One of the largest industries
on the planet,

1056
01:02:24,574 --> 01:02:26,493
with the biggest environmental impact,

1057
01:02:26,576 --> 01:02:28,787
trying to keep us in the dark
about how it's operating.

1058
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:30,330
Through the Freedom of Information Act,

1059
01:02:30,414 --> 01:02:32,832
we obtained documents
from the counter-terrorism unit

1060
01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:35,710
that show they're monitoring my lectures,

1061
01:02:35,794 --> 01:02:39,506
media interviews like this one,
my website, my book.

1062
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:42,175
ANDERSEN: Are we at risk
filming this and showing it?

1063
01:02:42,551 --> 01:02:45,929
You're going up against people
that have massive legal resources.

1064
01:02:46,012 --> 01:02:49,349
It's just overwhelming,
the amount of money at their disposal.

1065
01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:50,892
And you have nothing.

1066
01:02:50,975 --> 01:02:54,187
And I think that fear
is a big part of the tactic as well.

1067
01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:56,898
ANDERSEN: <i>Will was right. I was scared.</i>

1068
01:02:57,649 --> 01:02:59,776
<i>When I learned about the activists</i>
<i>being killed in Brazil,</i>

1069
01:02:59,859 --> 01:03:01,695
<i>I was disturbed, but I felt removed.</i>

1070
01:03:02,321 --> 01:03:04,531
<i>But to learn about</i>
<i>American activists and journalists</i>

1071
01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:06,991
<i>being targeted by the industry and FBI?</i>

1072
01:03:07,451 --> 01:03:09,077
<i>My funding being dropped?</i>

1073
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,163
<i>I was genuinely worried</i>
<i>and it hit close to home.</i>

1074
01:03:12,246 --> 01:03:14,916
<i>Was this why no one was willing</i>
<i>to talk about the issue?</i>

1075
01:03:15,542 --> 01:03:18,837
<i>I decided to take precautionary measures</i>
<i>with all the footage I shot.</i>

1076
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,682
<i>I was beyond frightened to imagine</i>
<i>what could possibly happen</i>

1077
01:03:30,765 --> 01:03:32,934
<i>if I pursued this subject any further.</i>

1078
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,481
<i>It seemed the only decision to make was</i>
<i>to put down the cameras and walk away.</i>

1079
01:03:41,485 --> 01:03:43,945
<i>But then I realized</i>
<i>this issue was way bigger</i>

1080
01:03:44,028 --> 01:03:46,948
<i>than any personal concern</i>
<i>I could ever have for myself.</i>

1081
01:03:47,449 --> 01:03:50,827
<i>This was about all life on Earth</i>
<i>hanging in the balance of our actions.</i>

1082
01:03:51,285 --> 01:03:54,080
<i>Now you either live for something,</i>
<i>or die for nothing.</i>

1083
01:03:54,498 --> 01:03:56,500
<i>And I actually had no choice all along.</i>

1084
01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:59,503
<i>I decided then to surrender</i>
<i>not to fear from the secret,</i>

1085
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:02,130
<i>but rather to a cause towards truth.</i>

1086
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:04,257
<i>I couldn't be like these</i>
<i>environmental organizations</i>

1087
01:04:04,341 --> 01:04:05,925
<i>and sit silently while the planet was</i>

1088
01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:08,345
<i>being eaten alive right</i>
<i>in front of our eyes.</i>

1089
01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,097
<i>I had to stand up and continue on.</i>

1090
01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:21,941
<i>Some people would say the problem</i>
<i>isn't really animal agriculture,</i>

1091
01:04:22,025 --> 01:04:24,193
<i>but actually human overpopulation.</i>

1092
01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:29,991
<i>In 1812, there were</i>
<i>one billion people on the planet.</i>

1093
01:04:30,074 --> 01:04:32,786
<i>In 1912, there were 1.5 billion.</i>

1094
01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:38,500
<i>Then, just 100 years later, our population</i>
<i>exploded to seven billion humans.</i>

1095
01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:41,169
<i>This number is rightly given</i>
<i>a great deal of attention,</i>

1096
01:04:41,252 --> 01:04:44,714
<i>but an even more important figure</i>
<i>when determining world population</i>

1097
01:04:44,798 --> 01:04:48,677
<i>is the world's 70 billion</i>
<i>farm animals humans raise.</i>

1098
01:04:50,554 --> 01:04:55,099
<i>The human population drinks</i>
<i>5.2 billion gallons of water every day</i>

1099
01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:58,102
<i>and eats 21 billion pounds of food.</i>

1100
01:04:58,186 --> 01:05:01,022
<i>But just the world's</i>
<i>1.5 billion cows alone</i>

1101
01:05:01,105 --> 01:05:04,150
<i>drink 45 billion gallons</i>
<i>of water every day</i>

1102
01:05:04,233 --> 01:05:07,487
<i>and eat 135 billion pounds of food.</i>

1103
01:05:07,571 --> 01:05:09,989
<i>This isn't so much</i>
<i>a human population issue.</i>

1104
01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,617
<i>It's a human-eating-animals</i>
<i>population issue.</i>

1105
01:05:13,076 --> 01:05:15,454
<i>Environmental organizations</i>
<i>not addressing this</i>

1106
01:05:15,537 --> 01:05:18,498
<i>is like health organizations</i>
<i>trying to stop lung cancer</i>

1107
01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:20,333
<i>without addressing cigarette smoking.</i>

1108
01:05:20,417 --> 01:05:23,420
<i>But instead of secondhand smoking,</i>
<i>it's secondhand eating,</i>

1109
01:05:23,587 --> 01:05:25,379
<i>which affects the entire planet.</i>

1110
01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:30,009
We have roughly a billion people
starving every single day.

1111
01:05:30,093 --> 01:05:34,222
<i>Worldwide, 50% of the grain</i>
<i>and legumes that we're growing</i>

1112
01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:35,432
<i>we're feeding to animals.</i>

1113
01:05:35,682 --> 01:05:38,477
So they're eating huge amounts
of grain and legumes.

1114
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,021
<i>And in the United States,</i>
<i>it's more like closer to 70%, 80%,</i>

1115
01:05:42,105 --> 01:05:43,189
<i>depending on which grain it is.</i>

1116
01:05:43,272 --> 01:05:45,442
<i>About 90% of the soybeans.</i>

1117
01:05:45,734 --> 01:05:49,613
Eighty-two percent of the world's starving
children live in countries

1118
01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:53,700
<i>where food is fed to animals</i>
<i>in the livestock systems</i>

1119
01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:56,369
<i>that are killed and eaten</i>
<i>by more well-off individuals</i>

1120
01:05:56,453 --> 01:05:59,038
in developed countries,
such as the US, UK, and in Europe.

1121
01:05:59,122 --> 01:06:04,418
The fact of it is that we could feed
every human being on the planet today

1122
01:06:04,503 --> 01:06:06,463
an adequate diet

1123
01:06:06,546 --> 01:06:11,760
if we did no more than take the feed
that we're feeding to animals

1124
01:06:12,426 --> 01:06:15,013
<i>and actually turn it into food for humans.</i>

1125
01:06:15,472 --> 01:06:19,476
<i>And so somebody trying to justify GMOs,</i>

1126
01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:23,104
<i>that's like trying to</i>
<i>give a drowning man a drink of water.</i>

1127
01:06:24,063 --> 01:06:28,902
You can produce, on average,
15 times more protein

1128
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:33,197
from plant-based sources than
from meat on any given area of land,

1129
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:36,117
whether, uh, it's...
Using the same type of land,

1130
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,912
whether it's a very fertile area
in one area of the world,

1131
01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:40,622
or it's an area that's depleted.

1132
01:06:40,830 --> 01:06:44,208
If we would reduce the amount of meat
we're eating, and dairy and eggs,

1133
01:06:44,626 --> 01:06:46,920
we could allow
all these mono-cropped fields

1134
01:06:47,003 --> 01:06:49,338
<i>of genetically-engineered</i>
<i>corn and soybeans</i>

1135
01:06:49,714 --> 01:06:52,842
<i>to revert back to forest again,</i>
<i>to be habitat for animals.</i>

1136
01:06:54,218 --> 01:06:59,265
Anytime somebody tells you
that we can't grow food for humans

1137
01:06:59,348 --> 01:07:02,185
<i>on the land that</i>
<i>we're growing feed for animals...</i>

1138
01:07:03,144 --> 01:07:07,607
<i>This is somebody that is mocking</i>
<i>the number one crop out in California.</i>

1139
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:13,530
The fact of it is if you can grow corn
to stuff down the throat of an animal,

1140
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:16,950
you can actually grow corn
and feed it to a human.

1141
01:07:18,242 --> 01:07:19,953
You encourage people to eat less meat,

1142
01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:23,832
and for the tremendous resources required
and the toll on the environment.

1143
01:07:23,915 --> 01:07:25,959
-And on the animals.
-ANDERSEN: And on the animals.

1144
01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:28,962
And the workers in the system.
And it's a brutal system at every level.

1145
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:32,131
ANDERSEN: As the world population
continues to grow

1146
01:07:32,215 --> 01:07:33,925
to almost nine billion people,

1147
01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:36,761
do you foresee someday
that we might just completely

1148
01:07:36,845 --> 01:07:38,221
have to stop eating meat altogether?

1149
01:07:39,889 --> 01:07:41,808
I don't know that we'll completely stop.

1150
01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:44,268
I think that the amount
of meat-eating will decline.

1151
01:07:44,352 --> 01:07:47,647
There's no way to support
nine ounces per person per day,

1152
01:07:47,731 --> 01:07:49,398
which is what Americans are eating now.

1153
01:07:49,774 --> 01:07:52,819
If the Chinese alone decide
they wanna eat that much...

1154
01:07:52,902 --> 01:07:54,779
And they've decided
they wanna eat that much.

1155
01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:58,074
We just can't...
We don't have enough world

1156
01:07:58,407 --> 01:08:00,952
to produce the grain
to generate that much meat.

1157
01:08:01,828 --> 01:08:05,832
I think a plant-based diet
is the most sustainable.

1158
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:09,502
What do you recommend to see
for nine billion people who can eat

1159
01:08:09,586 --> 01:08:11,671
for the planet to not only sustain,
but to thrive?

1160
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,465
Would you throw out a number...
An ounce, one ounce?

1161
01:08:14,548 --> 01:08:17,176
-Oh, per meat?
-ANDERSEN: And including dairy.

1162
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:20,263
Yeah, I don't think...
I don't know enough.

1163
01:08:20,722 --> 01:08:23,933
But, yeah, it would be on the order
of a couple ounces a week.

1164
01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:27,520
You know, it's not gonna be
the way we're eating it now.

1165
01:08:27,604 --> 01:08:30,356
We're gorging on meat.
We're eating huge amounts.

1166
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,817
-Does that include cheese, too?
-Yeah, yeah.

1167
01:08:32,942 --> 01:08:36,279
-Like, two ounces total?
-Yeah, cheese and milk.

1168
01:08:36,362 --> 01:08:38,531
ANDERSEN: <i>Only two ounces a week</i>
<i>seem like nothing.</i>

1169
01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:41,200
<i>People could probably</i>
<i>raise that in their own backyard.</i>

1170
01:08:41,284 --> 01:08:44,162
<i>Maybe backyard farming</i>
<i>was a sustainable solution.</i>

1171
01:08:44,245 --> 01:08:45,579
BILL PHILLIPS: <i>I have 42 ducks.</i>

1172
01:08:45,664 --> 01:08:49,042
I started off with three ducks
three years ago.

1173
01:08:50,001 --> 01:08:52,796
<i>And then those burdened into a population.</i>

1174
01:08:52,879 --> 01:08:55,882
<i>I buy a 75-pound bag of seed</i>

1175
01:08:56,257 --> 01:08:59,260
and that seed bag will last me,
right now, about two weeks.

1176
01:09:00,344 --> 01:09:04,432
<i>The ducks now that we're gonna be</i>
<i>culling are about two years old.</i>

1177
01:09:05,141 --> 01:09:07,686
<i>When you're living with them,</i>
<i>they get used to you.</i>

1178
01:09:07,769 --> 01:09:10,479
<i>They're not intimidated or whatever.</i>

1179
01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:13,566
<i>And, so they make all their</i>
<i>vocal sounds, like natural.</i>

1180
01:09:13,775 --> 01:09:14,776
(QUACKING)

1181
01:09:14,859 --> 01:09:16,653
PHILLIPS: Slow down.

1182
01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,908
Easy, easy, easy, easy.

1183
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,536
Okay.

1184
01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:31,250
No, we're gonna keep you.

1185
01:09:32,501 --> 01:09:35,504
Ron, these two go first.

1186
01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:41,427
Being smart-wise?

1187
01:09:44,973 --> 01:09:47,976
Compared to a chicken,
they're probably the same.

1188
01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:55,942
CHILD: That one's nice, see?
PHILLIPS: Yeah, he is.

1189
01:09:56,025 --> 01:09:59,570
CHILD: That one goes. That one doesn't.

1190
01:09:59,653 --> 01:10:02,656
PHILLIPS: All righty.

1191
01:10:04,868 --> 01:10:06,911
Okay.

1192
01:10:08,788 --> 01:10:10,414
Right there.

1193
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:27,974
That's gonna be a little gruesome.

1194
01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:30,476
CHILD: How could that still be alive?
PHILLIPS: Hmm?

1195
01:10:30,559 --> 01:10:33,062
CHILD: How could that still be alive?

1196
01:10:33,146 --> 01:10:34,731
PHILLIPS: They're not.

1197
01:10:34,814 --> 01:10:36,440
That's nerves.

1198
01:10:36,524 --> 01:10:38,651
A nerve reaction.

1199
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:44,157
PHILLIPS: <i>Five years old</i>
<i>or something like that I think it was,</i>

1200
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,827
<i>the first time my dad came out</i>
<i>and made us watch</i>

1201
01:10:48,661 --> 01:10:51,247
<i>as we did rabbits.</i>

1202
01:10:51,915 --> 01:10:56,502
<i>And we'd raise, probably,</i>
<i>a couple dozen rabbits each year.</i>

1203
01:10:58,922 --> 01:11:01,925
<i>And then we would take those rabbits</i>
<i>and skin them,</i>

1204
01:11:03,426 --> 01:11:05,511
<i>and clean them up and keep them for food.</i>

1205
01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:08,056
<i>As a young kid, I was kind of...</i>

1206
01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:12,351
<i>I don't want to say it was hard,</i>
<i>but it was kind of, from my memory...</i>

1207
01:11:14,938 --> 01:11:17,816
Because some of the rabbits I had named.
(CHUCKLES)

1208
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:20,109
So I was kind of like going... (GRIMACES)

1209
01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:24,781
But after doing it a couple times,
you kind of just learned

1210
01:11:24,864 --> 01:11:27,867
it's just something that has to be done.

1211
01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:36,584
PHILLIPS: Not the fingers.

1212
01:11:37,001 --> 01:11:38,002
(AX BANGS ON WOOD)

1213
01:11:45,676 --> 01:11:47,220
ANDERSEN: <i>I just can't do it.</i>

1214
01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:50,306
I don't think I could have someone else
do it for me, if I can't do it.

1215
01:11:50,723 --> 01:11:53,726
If I can't do it, I don't want
someone else doing it for me.

1216
01:11:55,644 --> 01:11:57,063
And then sustainability.

1217
01:11:57,146 --> 01:12:02,651
For sustainability,
75 pounds is two pounds per...

1218
01:12:02,735 --> 01:12:06,072
So it's a pound per week, per duck.

1219
01:12:06,865 --> 01:12:09,868
Fifty-two weeks, 110...

1220
01:12:10,493 --> 01:12:13,496
<i>So it's 110 pounds of food</i>

1221
01:12:14,538 --> 01:12:17,750
<i>for one to one and a half pounds of meat.</i>

1222
01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:21,880
So on a sustainability issue,
it's 100 to 1.

1223
01:12:23,297 --> 01:12:26,300
And that grain gets... You know,
who knows where that grain comes from?

1224
01:12:27,385 --> 01:12:30,638
But, I mean, when it gets to this point,
it's not even about sustainability,

1225
01:12:30,721 --> 01:12:35,184
it was just, you know,
I don't feel real good inside.

1226
01:12:35,809 --> 01:12:38,062
It was the first time I've ever seen that.

1227
01:12:38,146 --> 01:12:40,857
So, kind of...

1228
01:12:40,982 --> 01:12:41,983
(INHALES DEEPLY)

1229
01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:43,943
Yeah.

1230
01:12:45,236 --> 01:12:48,239
<i>I'd been so caught up in the destruction</i>
<i>caused by animal agriculture,</i>

1231
01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:51,784
<i>I realized I'd never truly dwelled</i>
<i>on the obvious reality</i>

1232
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:54,328
<i>that every one of these animals</i>
<i>was killed.</i>

1233
01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:57,415
<i>It was always a disconnected,</i>
<i>abstract fact of eating meat.</i>

1234
01:12:57,831 --> 01:13:01,502
<i>But when it became personal,</i>
<i>face-to-face, the story changed.</i>

1235
01:13:03,462 --> 01:13:06,883
<i>I had already scheduled, weeks in advance,</i>
<i>to film another backyard slaughter</i>

1236
01:13:07,216 --> 01:13:09,385
<i>of a chicken that stopped producing eggs.</i>

1237
01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:12,889
<i>I didn't know how I was gonna possibly</i>
<i>go through another slaughter.</i>

1238
01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:15,516
<i>So I didn't.</i>

1239
01:13:33,867 --> 01:13:36,996
DAVID PHINNEY: <i>Animal Place is a farm</i>
<i>animal sanctuary in Northern California</i>

1240
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,584
<i>that focuses on rescuing animals</i>
<i>from the animal agriculture industry.</i>

1241
01:13:42,376 --> 01:13:44,837
<i>A lot of people don't realize that</i>
<i>meat-breed chickens,</i>

1242
01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:45,922
like this guy behind us,

1243
01:13:46,797 --> 01:13:49,717
they're generally slaughtered
at about 42 days old.

1244
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,886
Whereas chickens
that are bred for egg production

1245
01:13:52,971 --> 01:13:56,682
<i>are killed when</i>
<i>their productivity starts to decrease,</i>

1246
01:13:56,765 --> 01:13:59,768
when they start laying less eggs.

1247
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:04,357
And that generally happens
about 18 months to 20 months.

1248
01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:09,570
It doesn't matter if you buy caged eggs,
eggs from hens on cage-free farms,

1249
01:14:09,653 --> 01:14:11,614
or free-range or pasture-based farms.

1250
01:14:11,905 --> 01:14:14,283
Hi, Carol. It doesn't matter.

1251
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:16,285
ANDERSEN: <i>It turns out</i>
<i>there's a successful movement</i>

1252
01:14:16,369 --> 01:14:18,997
<i>of sustainable</i>
<i>animal-alternative food producers</i>

1253
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,706
<i>based right here in California,</i>

1254
01:14:20,789 --> 01:14:24,543
<i>funded by big names</i>
<i>like Bill Gates and Biz Stone.</i>

1255
01:14:24,627 --> 01:14:27,546
When you imagine all those egg-laying hens
eat all that soy and all that corn,

1256
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,591
you have an energy conversion ratio
at about 38 to 1,

1257
01:14:30,674 --> 01:14:34,137
whereas alternatively,
you can find plants,

1258
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:37,515
and you can grow those plants and
you can convert those plants into food.

1259
01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:40,559
The energy conversion ratio
for the plants that we're using

1260
01:14:40,643 --> 01:14:45,356
<i>to replace the eggs is about 2 to 1,</i>
<i>compared to 38 to 1 for eggs.</i>

1261
01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:50,028
So our explicit goal is to have
the maximum amount of impact

1262
01:14:50,111 --> 01:14:55,658
by creating this new model that makes
the global egg industry entirely obsolete.

1263
01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:57,076
We're making the Omega products,

1264
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,164
and proving that we can make
better tasting food that's great for you,

1265
01:15:01,247 --> 01:15:05,293
and it takes one-twentieth of the land
and resources that dairy do.

1266
01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:07,170
If I could tell you that you could have

1267
01:15:07,253 --> 01:15:11,007
the fiber-structure of meat,
the satiating bite of meat, the protein,

1268
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:13,092
and all the nutritional benefits of meat,

1269
01:15:13,176 --> 01:15:14,843
without actually
having animal protein itself,

1270
01:15:14,927 --> 01:15:17,263
and by doing that,
you could address climate change,

1271
01:15:17,346 --> 01:15:19,682
you could address the human health
epidemics that we're seeing,

1272
01:15:19,765 --> 01:15:21,142
you could address animal welfare,

1273
01:15:21,225 --> 01:15:22,726
and you could address
natural resource conservation,

1274
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:24,187
would you make the change?

1275
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:26,814
ANDERSEN: <i>But what if people</i>
<i>just ate less animal products?</i>

1276
01:15:26,897 --> 01:15:28,941
<i>Like going meatless on Mondays.</i>

1277
01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:32,361
When you go meatless on Monday,
if you ascribe to that campaign,

1278
01:15:32,445 --> 01:15:35,948
<i>you're essentially contributing</i>
<i>to climate change, pollution,</i>

1279
01:15:36,032 --> 01:15:38,951
depletion of our planet's resources,
and your own health,

1280
01:15:39,035 --> 01:15:42,871
then on only six days of the week,
instead of seven.

1281
01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:48,169
You're creating a false justification,
clearly a false sense of justification

1282
01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:50,421
for what you're doing
on those other six days of the week.

1283
01:15:50,504 --> 01:15:53,549
So in other words, we really shouldn't
be resting on our laurels

1284
01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:57,720
of what you do right
only one-seventh of the time.

1285
01:15:59,055 --> 01:16:03,976
You can't be an environmentalist
and eat animal products, period.

1286
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:07,980
Kid yourself if you want, if you want to
feed your addiction, so be it.

1287
01:16:08,064 --> 01:16:10,941
But don't call yourself
an environmentalist.

1288
01:16:12,235 --> 01:16:15,404
ANDERSEN: <i>I knew I had to stop</i>
<i>eating all animal products.</i>

1289
01:16:15,488 --> 01:16:17,490
<i>I wanted to help the planet</i>
<i>be sustainable,</i>

1290
01:16:17,573 --> 01:16:19,700
<i>but I needed to sustain myself.</i>

1291
01:16:19,783 --> 01:16:22,786
<i>I had doubts about being healthy</i>
<i>and not eating meat, dairy, and eggs.</i>

1292
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:25,206
<i>All I knew was the standard American diet</i>
<i>I grew up on.</i>

1293
01:16:25,581 --> 01:16:29,710
Um, is it even possible
to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan?

1294
01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:32,505
Is it possible to be
a healthy vegetarian or vegan?

1295
01:16:32,588 --> 01:16:37,510
I became vegan for, let's see,
32 years ago now.

1296
01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:41,305
And I run several miles every day.

1297
01:16:41,389 --> 01:16:44,350
I go biking 40, 50 miles
through the countryside.

1298
01:16:44,433 --> 01:16:45,851
I work long hours.

1299
01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:49,480
I feel great. It's nice waking up
in a light, trim body every day.

1300
01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:52,525
And so many of
my vegan friends and patients are just...

1301
01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:55,903
They're thriving since
their transition to a vegan diet.

1302
01:16:55,986 --> 01:16:59,698
So, yes, and I've seen vegan moms
go through healthy vegan pregnancies,

1303
01:16:59,782 --> 01:17:01,450
and deliver healthy vegan children,

1304
01:17:01,534 --> 01:17:05,538
and raise them to tall, full-sized,
intelligent vegan adults.

1305
01:17:06,122 --> 01:17:10,751
And, yes, certainly all the nutrients are
there in the plant kingdom to do this.

1306
01:17:10,834 --> 01:17:12,002
That is correct.

1307
01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:16,048
Think anyone should be consuming dairy?

1308
01:17:16,299 --> 01:17:18,426
I really don't.

1309
01:17:18,509 --> 01:17:21,262
When you think about it,
the purpose of cow's milk...

1310
01:17:21,345 --> 01:17:24,348
I did most of my growing up
on a dairy farm in Wisconsin.

1311
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:28,852
The purpose of cow's milk
is to turn a 65-pound calf

1312
01:17:28,936 --> 01:17:33,857
into a 400-pound cow
as rapidly as possible.

1313
01:17:34,692 --> 01:17:38,654
Cow's milk is baby calf growth fluid.

1314
01:17:39,071 --> 01:17:40,823
It's what the stuff is.

1315
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,909
Everything in that white liquid,

1316
01:17:43,992 --> 01:17:48,289
the hormones, the lipids, the proteins,
the sodium, the growth factors, the IGF,

1317
01:17:48,372 --> 01:17:51,959
every one of those is meant to blow
that calf up to a great big cow,

1318
01:17:52,042 --> 01:17:53,752
or it wouldn't be there.

1319
01:17:54,587 --> 01:17:57,256
And whether you pour it
on your cereal as a liquid,

1320
01:17:57,631 --> 01:18:00,968
whether you clot it into yogurt,

1321
01:18:01,051 --> 01:18:03,929
whether you ferment it into cheese,

1322
01:18:04,012 --> 01:18:06,557
whether you freeze it into ice cream,

1323
01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:10,269
it's baby calf growth fluid.

1324
01:18:10,353 --> 01:18:13,522
And women eat it
and it stimulates their tissues,

1325
01:18:13,606 --> 01:18:16,942
and it gives women breast lumps,
it makes the uterus get big,

1326
01:18:17,025 --> 01:18:20,028
and they get fibroids and they bleed
and they get hysterectomies,

1327
01:18:20,279 --> 01:18:24,408
and they need mammograms,
and gives guys man boobs.

1328
01:18:24,492 --> 01:18:26,034
This is...

1329
01:18:26,702 --> 01:18:29,121
Cow's milk is the lactation secretions

1330
01:18:29,205 --> 01:18:32,165
of a large bovine mammal
who just had a baby.

1331
01:18:32,250 --> 01:18:34,668
It's for baby calves.

1332
01:18:34,752 --> 01:18:36,795
I tell my patients,
"Go look in the mirror.

1333
01:18:36,879 --> 01:18:39,298
"Do you have big ears? Do you have a tail?
Are you a baby calf?

1334
01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:43,176
"If you're not,
don't be eating baby calf growth fluid."

1335
01:18:43,261 --> 01:18:46,054
In any level,
there's nothing in it people need.

1336
01:18:46,138 --> 01:18:48,557
ANDERSEN: <i>It was a relief to hear</i>
<i>I didn't have to eat any animal products</i>

1337
01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:50,393
<i>to be healthy and even thrive,</i>

1338
01:18:50,476 --> 01:18:54,313
<i>but I still thought you needed animal</i>
<i>manure to grow organic agriculture.</i>

1339
01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:56,357
<i>It turns out there's an entire movement</i>

1340
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,151
<i>with people growing food</i>
<i>without any animal inputs.</i>

1341
01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:02,154
<i>I visited Earthworks Urban Farm</i>
<i>in Detroit,</i>

1342
01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:06,158
<i>where they're working with and growing</i>
<i>food for the low-income community.</i>

1343
01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:09,662
We tend to see ourselves
as individuals in a bubble

1344
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:15,167
and forget that we inhabit this land
and this earth with other creatures.

1345
01:19:15,251 --> 01:19:18,086
So we have to learn how
to share more, I guess.

1346
01:19:18,671 --> 01:19:20,506
Jah is here. He's working on his garden.

1347
01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:25,719
You'll be surprised what you can do
with what seems to be not a lot of space.

1348
01:19:25,803 --> 01:19:28,013
About a four by eight, yeah.

1349
01:19:28,096 --> 01:19:31,099
ANDERSEN: What's your goal this year?
How much do you think you can maximize?

1350
01:19:31,642 --> 01:19:33,519
Uh, I would push for 100 at least.

1351
01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:35,062
-At least. At least.
-ANDERSEN: A hundred pounds.

1352
01:19:35,145 --> 01:19:36,355
That's amazing.

1353
01:19:37,105 --> 01:19:40,359
The one full year
after this was constructed,

1354
01:19:40,443 --> 01:19:44,363
we doubled our yield
to over 14,000 pounds of food.

1355
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:47,408
Fourteen thousand pounds?
On about how many acres?

1356
01:19:47,491 --> 01:19:48,784
Uh, about two and a half.

1357
01:19:49,452 --> 01:19:52,288
So as much food as we produce and we grow,

1358
01:19:52,913 --> 01:19:54,457
or the earth helps us grow,

1359
01:19:54,540 --> 01:19:56,959
we also have to return
those nutrients back to the soil.

1360
01:19:57,042 --> 01:19:59,712
<i>So we like to think of our work</i>
<i>as being regenerative.</i>

1361
01:19:59,795 --> 01:20:03,841
<i>That we're putting as much</i>
<i>life-giving substance in the ground</i>

1362
01:20:03,924 --> 01:20:05,509
<i>as we're taking out.</i>

1363
01:20:05,759 --> 01:20:09,388
So is it just kind of healthier and safer
to use vegetarian

1364
01:20:09,472 --> 01:20:13,434
-or vegetable composting stuff?
-Yeah, that's what we found.

1365
01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:16,562
But also because it takes less time
and it's a lot easier to manage.

1366
01:20:16,645 --> 01:20:18,188
-A lot easier, yeah.
-Yeah.

1367
01:20:18,271 --> 01:20:21,274
-And the soil's just as rich?
-Yeah, absolutely.

1368
01:20:21,484 --> 01:20:26,530
Not only is veganic more compassionate,
it's also more efficient.

1369
01:20:26,614 --> 01:20:29,950
<i>And in a society</i>
<i>with this many billions of people,</i>

1370
01:20:30,033 --> 01:20:32,328
we need to be as efficient as possible.

1371
01:20:32,745 --> 01:20:34,747
Some people might go back and say

1372
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:40,878
if we embraced this primitive approach
of only wild animals everywhere,

1373
01:20:40,961 --> 01:20:45,173
<i>and we go back to a hunter-gatherer</i>
<i>system, that sounds great.</i>

1374
01:20:45,257 --> 01:20:48,511
<i>But that was 10 million people</i>
<i>on the entire continent.</i>

1375
01:20:48,594 --> 01:20:51,472
<i>Maybe a little bit more,</i>
<i>a little bit less, no one really knows.</i>

1376
01:20:52,014 --> 01:20:54,600
Today, now, we have what?

1377
01:20:54,683 --> 01:20:58,437
We have 320 million in the US,
25 million in Canada,

1378
01:20:58,521 --> 01:21:01,607
another 100 and so many million in Mexico.

1379
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:07,405
So, North America is up to almost,
you know, 450 million people.

1380
01:21:07,488 --> 01:21:11,158
Trying to figure out a way
to bring animal agriculture

1381
01:21:11,241 --> 01:21:16,372
in balance with 450 million
hungry people is impossible.

1382
01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:19,458
This is amazing, I didn't believe it
when I first learned it,

1383
01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:24,547
but 216,000 more people are born
to the planet every day.

1384
01:21:24,713 --> 01:21:26,465
Every day.

1385
01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:28,216
It's extraordinary.

1386
01:21:28,801 --> 01:21:32,304
But what's really extraordinary
is you need, per day,

1387
01:21:32,471 --> 01:21:34,723
34,000 new acres of farmable land.

1388
01:21:34,807 --> 01:21:36,600
It's not happening.

1389
01:21:36,684 --> 01:21:39,352
ANDERSEN: <i>To feed a person on an</i>
<i>all-plant based vegan diet for a year</i>

1390
01:21:39,437 --> 01:21:42,147
<i>requires just one-sixth</i>
<i>of an acre of land.</i>

1391
01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:44,274
<i>To feed that same person</i>
<i>on a vegetarian diet</i>

1392
01:21:44,357 --> 01:21:47,486
<i>that includes eggs and dairy</i>
<i>requires three times as much land.</i>

1393
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:50,489
<i>To feed an average US citizen's</i>
<i>high-consumption diet</i>

1394
01:21:50,573 --> 01:21:54,410
<i>of meat, dairy, and eggs</i>
<i>requires 18 times as much land.</i>

1395
01:21:54,493 --> 01:21:55,744
<i>This is because you can produce</i>

1396
01:21:55,828 --> 01:21:59,582
<i>37,000 pounds of vegetables</i>
<i>on one and a half acres,</i>

1397
01:21:59,665 --> 01:22:03,586
<i>but only 375 pounds</i>
<i>of meat on that same plot of land.</i>

1398
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:07,881
<i>A high-consuming, meat-eating Californian</i>
<i>saves 1.4 tons of C02 equivalent</i>

1399
01:22:07,965 --> 01:22:09,717
<i>per year by removing beef from their diet.</i>

1400
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,428
<i>They save 1.6 tons by going vegetarian.</i>

1401
01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:15,055
<i>And 1.8 tons by going vegan.</i>

1402
01:22:15,138 --> 01:22:18,726
<i>This is more than switching to solar power</i>
<i>for your home, or driving a hybrid car.</i>

1403
01:22:18,809 --> 01:22:21,061
<i>Only switching to an electric vehicle</i>
<i>saves more,</i>

1404
01:22:21,144 --> 01:22:22,813
<i>which still though, few can afford.</i>

1405
01:22:22,896 --> 01:22:24,690
<i>But, unlike an electric vehicle,</i>

1406
01:22:24,773 --> 01:22:26,650
<i>the savings don't end</i>
<i>with greenhouse gases.</i>

1407
01:22:26,734 --> 01:22:29,695
<i>A vegan diet produces half as much</i>
<i>C02 as an American omnivore,</i>

1408
01:22:29,778 --> 01:22:32,114
<i>uses one-eleventh</i>
<i>the amount of fossil fuels,</i>

1409
01:22:32,197 --> 01:22:35,951
<i>one-thirteenth the amount of water,</i>
<i>and an eighteenth of the amount of land.</i>

1410
01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:39,955
<i>After adding this all up, I realized</i>
<i>I had the choice every single day</i>

1411
01:22:40,038 --> 01:22:44,334
<i>to save over 1,100 gallons of water,</i>
<i>45 pounds of grain,</i>

1412
01:22:44,417 --> 01:22:49,047
<i>30 square feet of forested land,</i>
<i>the equivalent of 10 pounds of C02,</i>

1413
01:22:49,131 --> 01:22:52,425
<i>and one animal's life. Every single day.</i>

1414
01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:57,389
If we all, as a society, did go vegan,
and we moved away from eating animal foods

1415
01:22:57,473 --> 01:23:00,225
and toward a plant-based diet,
what would happen?

1416
01:23:00,476 --> 01:23:04,396
<i>If we didn't kill all these cows</i>
<i>and eat them,</i>

1417
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,607
<i>then we wouldn't have</i>
<i>to breed all these cows</i>

1418
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:09,735
<i>because we're breeding cows,</i>
<i>and chickens, and pigs, and fish.</i>

1419
01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,571
<i>We're breeding them</i>
<i>over and over again, relentlessly.</i>

1420
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:16,116
<i>So if we didn't breed them,</i>
<i>then we wouldn't have to feed them.</i>

1421
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:17,743
<i>If we didn't have to feed them,</i>

1422
01:23:17,826 --> 01:23:19,995
<i>then we wouldn't have to devote</i>
<i>all this land</i>

1423
01:23:20,078 --> 01:23:22,956
<i>to growing grains, and legumes,</i>
<i>and so forth to feed to them.</i>

1424
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,501
And so then the forests could come back.

1425
01:23:26,418 --> 01:23:28,086
<i>Wildlife could come back.</i>

1426
01:23:28,170 --> 01:23:31,214
<i>The oceans would come back.</i>
<i>The rivers would run clean again.</i>

1427
01:23:31,298 --> 01:23:34,552
<i>The air would come back.</i>
<i>Our health would return.</i>

1428
01:23:34,635 --> 01:23:39,431
Renewable energy infrastructure such as
building solar and wind generators

1429
01:23:39,515 --> 01:23:41,349
<i>all over our country</i>
<i>to reduce climate change,</i>

1430
01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:42,768
<i>that's a pretty good idea,</i>

1431
01:23:42,851 --> 01:23:45,854
<i>but it's projected to take</i>
<i>at least 20 years</i>

1432
01:23:45,938 --> 01:23:50,108
<i>and, at least, minimally,</i>
<i>$18 trillion to develop.</i>

1433
01:23:50,192 --> 01:23:54,154
Another solution to climate change,
we could stop eating animals.

1434
01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:57,407
And it could be done today.
It doesn't have to take 20 years.

1435
01:23:57,490 --> 01:24:00,953
And it certainly doesn't have to take
$18 trillion, because it costs nothing.

1436
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,789
Some people say, "Well, let's fix CO2,
and then we can worry about methane."

1437
01:24:03,872 --> 01:24:06,625
Well, that's the wrong... It's the other
way around that actually makes sense.

1438
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:09,670
Do something about methane,
because you'll get a response right away.

1439
01:24:09,753 --> 01:24:11,379
Quietly and unmistakably,

1440
01:24:11,463 --> 01:24:15,008
the most powerful thing that
someone can do for the environment.

1441
01:24:15,092 --> 01:24:17,553
Um, no other lifestyle choice
has a farther reaching,

1442
01:24:17,636 --> 01:24:21,765
and more profoundly positive impact
on the planet and all life on Earth

1443
01:24:21,849 --> 01:24:25,978
than choosing to stop consuming
animals and live a vegan lifestyle.

1444
01:24:26,269 --> 01:24:30,398
You don't think we couldn't solve
this problem in a heartbeat?

1445
01:24:30,482 --> 01:24:34,194
I'll tell you what, all we would need

1446
01:24:34,277 --> 01:24:38,699
is for the environmentalists
to live what they profess,

1447
01:24:38,782 --> 01:24:43,203
and we'd be on a new course in the world.

1448
01:24:44,705 --> 01:24:49,167
We will not succeed
until we stop animal agriculture.

1449
01:24:49,251 --> 01:24:51,294
And by "succeed," I mean

1450
01:24:51,378 --> 01:24:54,172
we will not save ecosystems
to the extent necessary.

1451
01:24:54,256 --> 01:24:57,843
<i>We will not have enough food</i>
<i>for people around the planet,</i>

1452
01:24:57,926 --> 01:25:00,220
<i>we will not stop global warming,</i>

1453
01:25:00,303 --> 01:25:03,098
<i>we will not stop pollution</i>
<i>in the dead zones that run off</i>

1454
01:25:03,181 --> 01:25:08,812
<i>all the fields of corn and soy</i>
<i>that are grown to feed livestock,</i>

1455
01:25:08,896 --> 01:25:11,940
and we will not stop the hunting
of wolves and other predators.

1456
01:25:12,024 --> 01:25:15,944
Now, organic farming is one major,
positive step in the right direction,

1457
01:25:16,028 --> 01:25:17,320
but we need to keep walking.

1458
01:25:17,404 --> 01:25:21,533
We need to get beyond organics.
We need to get to sustainability.

1459
01:25:21,617 --> 01:25:25,203
When you take the animal out, you also
take the greenhouse gas issue out.

1460
01:25:25,287 --> 01:25:28,206
And you take the food safety issues out.

1461
01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:32,252
And you take some of other externalities
related to food scarcity out.

1462
01:25:32,335 --> 01:25:37,340
But one thing that's amazing is
I think you put our values back in.

1463
01:25:37,424 --> 01:25:42,304
You put values like compassion,
and integrity, and kindness...

1464
01:25:42,805 --> 01:25:47,267
Values that are natural to human beings,
you put that in.

1465
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:50,771
You build that back
into the story of our food.

1466
01:25:50,854 --> 01:25:56,318
And I think, as this begins to progress,
I think it also helps people to pause

1467
01:25:56,819 --> 01:25:59,404
before they eat that egg,
before they eat that steak,

1468
01:25:59,487 --> 01:26:01,740
before they eat that chicken nugget.

1469
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:05,828
And ask themselves,
is that really what they want?

1470
01:26:05,911 --> 01:26:08,831
Or do they actually want something more?

1471
01:26:09,372 --> 01:26:11,249
ANDERSEN: <i>I had to come</i>
<i>to the full conclusion,</i>

1472
01:26:11,333 --> 01:26:14,127
<i>the only way to sustainably</i>
<i>and ethically live on this planet</i>

1473
01:26:14,211 --> 01:26:18,548
<i>with seven billion other people is to</i>
<i>live an entirely plant-based vegan diet.</i>

1474
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:22,385
<i>I decided instead of eating others,</i>
<i>to eat for others.</i>

1475
01:26:22,469 --> 01:26:26,473
<i>At first, like these environmental groups,</i>
<i>I was afraid of what it'd mean to change.</i>

1476
01:26:26,556 --> 01:26:28,266
<i>But now, I embrace it.</i>

1477
01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:30,352
<i>All this talk about sustainability</i>
<i>sounded like</i>

1478
01:26:30,435 --> 01:26:32,354
<i>our planet was on</i>
<i>some sort of life support.</i>

1479
01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:36,483
<i>And I don't want her to simply survive</i>
<i>or to sustain, but to thrive.</i>

1480
01:26:36,566 --> 01:26:40,821
<i>Life today is not about sustainability.</i>
<i>It's about thrive-ability.</i>

1481
01:26:40,904 --> 01:26:44,825
<i>She's given so much to us for so long,</i>
<i>it was time to give back.</i>

1482
01:26:44,908 --> 01:26:47,535
<i>A hundred and eight percent</i>
<i>of everything we have.</i>

1483
01:26:48,078 --> 01:26:51,081
<i>It felt good. It was an alignment.</i>

1484
01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:54,626
And we see this movement,

1485
01:26:54,710 --> 01:26:57,796
not just about providing cheaper,
inexpensive food that everyone can have,

1486
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,589
but also a spiritual move.

1487
01:26:59,672 --> 01:27:02,217
A move towards understanding
who we really are

1488
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:03,886
and how we can really
connect to each other.

1489
01:27:04,052 --> 01:27:08,265
Do what you can do
as well as you can do it

1490
01:27:08,556 --> 01:27:11,143
every day of your life,

1491
01:27:11,852 --> 01:27:17,065
<i>and you will end up dying one of the</i>
<i>happiest individuals that have ever died.</i>

1492
01:27:17,357 --> 01:27:20,610
We become part of a gathering
momentum of other people.

1493
01:27:20,693 --> 01:27:23,655
<i>It's happening. This is really</i>
<i>what's happening. This is the news.</i>

1494
01:27:23,739 --> 01:27:25,783
Selflessness is a nice way to be.

1495
01:27:25,866 --> 01:27:29,953
<i>It has all these benefits for yourself,</i>
<i>as well as the planet and other people.</i>

1496
01:27:30,328 --> 01:27:32,539
So it's a beautiful way to live.

1497
01:27:32,622 --> 01:27:34,875
<i>Ecologically, it just feels better.</i>

1498
01:27:35,083 --> 01:27:39,922
This is about massively transforming
how our society eats,

1499
01:27:40,005 --> 01:27:41,924
<i>because it's a necessity.</i>

1500
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:45,510
It's acting on what we know.

1501
01:27:45,593 --> 01:27:50,598
And acting kindly and gently on
the whole planet and with other people,

1502
01:27:50,682 --> 01:27:53,351
<i>to accomplish the goals of living better.</i>

1503
01:27:54,644 --> 01:27:57,898
We can do it,
but we have to choose to do it.

1504
01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:02,110
You can change the world.

1505
01:28:03,821 --> 01:28:05,948
You must change the world.

