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Every night
I will come out to see
music in New York City. </ p >

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And I will return to the stage,
night after night,
at the show or at the club,

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and I will continue to do it
see the same person < br /> again and again.

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Like a frightening ghost.

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And I will say to myself:

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"Who is that person?"

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>

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[♪ heavy metal music]

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There aren't many people
out there - I like, you know?

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Uh, including family, and uh,
he is one of those I love.

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An-and uh, so with that
comes chaos.

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♪♪

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that if it's not for
Michael, I won't—
I won't be in my place.

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He is a magnet for many artistic
people, um , things are buoyant.

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Only in New York
can a Puerto Rican child

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grow up in
hasidic, gay environment...

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and achieve what
accomplished Michael.

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They call it
land opportunity.

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New York is
a city of opportunity.

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>

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Here we are
Borough Park in Brooklyn and,
um this is my old address.

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5412 New Utrect Avenue.

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I live in here from
when I'm about

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12 years old around
maybe 18 or 19 years old.

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Me and my mother
and sister me.

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And this is an
train apartment.

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you go to,
eh, foyer,

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kitchen, dining room,

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my sister's room, my mother's room

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and then my room,

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inside
in front of the building,

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facing the train B,
which train is elevated.

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Which one , train passes
every two minutes,

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and believes or not
I sleep through all of that.

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Like, that voice
you will hear,

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I sleep every day

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[shouting on the train]
for about six years!

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Six years !!

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[MICHAEL] I grew up
in a household where

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you don't talk about anything,

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you don't know
your business person.

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p>

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And then, you know,
as a 53-year-old adult,

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I sometimes ask
well, why do they say that?

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What exactly - what -

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Does
house dirt happen that I don't remember? </ P>

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This heavy droppings
sometimes drops. </ P>

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I have a younger sister,
she is 4 years younger,
My sister is Cheryl. </ P>

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I mean, soon, you know
he can ride the train
and get out of the house

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he will go or
he will so we have this little
train apartment

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and he will do it
locked in his room .

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The room is the very last part
of the train apartment.

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He will be locked in his room

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The music will sound,

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and he just got it,

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- he will spend
hours in the room.

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Hours.
Just listen to music

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Funny memory that I have
middle school

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Because now, you know,
as an adult gay man.

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And I keep going
back to this because

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is a lot funny thing
happens, [school bell rings]

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Um, I have a math class,

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and there is a teacher
that he is like

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this burly man and um,

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I always thought, "Oh my God,
he is very handsome."

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But I like that
this is a little petite

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15 years.

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And he is the teacher,
math teacher.

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And I remember that
there are some children <br / > in that math class

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it's always
making fun of me because
I'm a bit sissy.

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And this teacher
gets this wind.

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And one day,
he took these two children's chairs

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and turned them over
on their side.

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And they fall
out of their seats.

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And he is like,

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"You're not talking about <br / > people like that. "

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And of course,
me and I are 15 years old
crazy thoughts.

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I will be like,
" Oh, he loves me. "

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But you know,
as I thought -

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but like, wow, that
my teacher protects me.

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You know retrospectively now,

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I think he might be
some like, skin bear

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who came out
the weekend and just saw

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This, you know, little thing

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that he doesn't want
anyone to make love.

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[fast-paced metal ♪]

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[MICHAEL] So I'm here,
16 years old,

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and I'm out all the time.

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I don't know why my mother
let me out every night

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But I will take the B train.
to the city.

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And if I go to Max

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I will replace the train
somewhere along the way

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and get double R
or N to 14th Street
at Union Square.

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And heading up
to Max & apos; s Kansas City

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which I believe
on the 18th and Park.

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That's outside normal why they
let me there, I don't know.

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Because I am underage.

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I am 16 and I see
like I was old 12... half a year. </ P>

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That's crazy,
I mean people like

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Johnny Thunders,

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Cherry Vanilla,

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[CHERRY VANILLA]
Lee Radzwill,
and Truman Capote,

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and, prostitutes,
female prostitutes,

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male prostitutes,
a fortune teller girl,

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young rock stars.

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Everyone will be like that
Throw this

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atmosphere together.

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[MICHAEL] There are lots of

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and come
artists who play roles Max.

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Now keep in mind
again that day

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if you play Max
you don't play CBGB,

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and vice versa.

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There's this thing
that you are Max's band
or you are a CB band. </ P>

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I don't know how to Suicide
get away because of that
they do a lot of nights in CB

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and I know they have played
several times at Max

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the cause was originally
where I met Alan Vega

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after he practically
chased the whole room

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because he was wild and crazy
and banged mic on his head

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and open his lips.

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And I'll sit there
love to worship, love
Suicide music.

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I'm a wild kid who knows
that there's always something
going on in New York City. </ P>

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And if I find it
in the Village Voice
and I like it,

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I went to see it.

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[MICHAEL] Every night
this week we came out.

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If we weren't at Lismar Lounge
we are on Avenue B somewhere.

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and if it's really late at night

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you are at Save The Robots,

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You are Crisco Disco,

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You are in The World

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and East Village is

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a little more than funky.

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One of the first times
we are here

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we stay up late at some hotels
in Midtown,

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I think it's like
Taft Hotel or whatever
like that and there...

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Well one of them
the first person we saw
is the drummer's man

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from the film
Taxi driver.

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And, um, you know we
went down to St. Mark

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and they used to be
let carts on
side of the road, you know,

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and they don't have
pooper scooper laws, so

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people walk around
speak for themselves,

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a group of people who are very frugal.

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That is so cool,
you know, we is-
we think it's great.

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[MICHAEL] I'm not afraid
at that time.

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and The Bowery is so dirty
and rather scary for young people
from Brooklyn.

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But I feel there is a
a scene happening,

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and I want to be
part of that scene.

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It's full of creativity.

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Patti Astor is open
Gallery of Fun.

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He maybe
the first person shown

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Keith Haring

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and, uh,
Jean Michel Basquiat

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All these great people.

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So it was, uh... electricity.

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The East Village in the 80s.

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It was truly fantastic
a thrilling place.

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These great shops,
shops, cafes, bars.

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All sorts of coincidences
will happen.

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You will meet like that
very different people
with different gangs.

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Uh, this is always
an incredible sensation for me.

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Because it was raised
in London that you didn't get
the same type

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crazy mix of fun,
interesting people.

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At Service
in English. </ P>

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New York violates all the rules
and you will find yourself
sitting next to

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a writer, filmmaker,
a, other band members,

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and there will be no hatred or
enmity or jealousy occurs.

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Absolutely fantastic.

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>

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For me it's a good time

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because it's everything
I want New York to be

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before I get there.

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You want it
step out and go,

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"Oh my God, there's Andy Warhol
walking across the street. "</ P>

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It's still everything
in my mind is still happening.

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It hasn't gone away.

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That's amazing,
a scene that lives.

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Basically giants
kindergartens are being run
by kindergarten children.

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Unless they are
all medicines and... </ p >

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And, uh, when the tattoo
means something and
all the stuff.

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You know you have to understand
not just the music.

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It used to be
mode.

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That is, those people
came to the city
and that, you know,

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vintage and that new
and it's rubbish and
vaudeville and that

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"Oh my God, finally I
got out of Queens. "

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You know, not for anything.
I like Queens,
I am a bridge and tunnel.

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But finally I left.

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And I mean like I don't
have to dress like, you know,

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I can't dress like that
and go back to Queens.

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Every the next time I do it,
or when I first do it,

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I throw a stone at me.

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So you have to go back and be
at the beginning of something </ p >

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and you don't know
what that is enough.

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You know we go
downtown and go to CB

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and you can see 
Annie Golden and The Shirts,

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and you can see The Ramones,

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and you can see Blondie,

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From rock and roll
Our perspective
comes out every night.

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You can be in
The Garden at 8:00

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but you know you have to
for the first time on

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Cat Club if it's
Wednesday at 10:30.

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And then, "Oh shit,
we have to go to CB & apos; s. "</ P>

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because someone
played well at 1:00 a.m.

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and once you were on the roll,
which was amazing,

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You come out all night.

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I'm out all night.

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And, you know, that is
the beauty of New York at that time.

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Every night
we are somewhere.

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Michael Alago is someone who
can only get out of New York
in, in the 80s.

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You know if you
look at the type, the spirit.

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The, you know, that, he is
the nature of bacchanal,

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um, you know, his kindness ,
his openness,

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he, he, the intensity

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That was New York before
New York became healthy.

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The world was certain < br /> different before AIDS.

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You know, uh, this sounds
a little tacky but likes

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it's free love almost,

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but it sounds
very 60s, love free.

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You could say it's in
New York City before AIDS,

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Gay scenes are
very, very excited.

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But like in any big city,
whether it's New York or

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San Francisco,

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People are out there, uh,
having sex all the time .

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I mean just, you know,
here in New York

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at one point I lived on
763 Washington Street,

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in the early 80s
and Washington Street alone

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was filled with underground
S & M clubs, gay S & M clubs.

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I mean < br /> Mineshaft, ay-yay-yay,

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There is Anvil.

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Then after you start
walk on the shameful path

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fr-from late at night,

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on West Street,

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you will go to
Nest the Eagles or Spike.

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and, you know, it's
run away that you do

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and remember,
men, gay men, < > go all the time.

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There is no internet,

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There is nothing
on your cellphone where you see,

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oh That person
ten feet away from me,
do you know?

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You react to someone
based on like almost
just like animal appeal.

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[MICHAEL] I remember
coming home late at night

239
00:12:46,532 --> 00:12:48,067
from one of the gay bars,

240
00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:50,369
and the phone will ring.

241
00:12:50,369 --> 00:12:52,338
And of course I will
be a little drunk

242
00:12:52,338 --> 00:12:54,540
and I will take it
phone and be like, "Hey!"

243
00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:57,176
And that person will say,
"Look."

244
00:12:57,176 --> 00:13:00,913
And inevitably the person
is masturbating in the window.

245
00:13:00,913 --> 00:13:04,049
And you will search and
you checked it and left,

246
00:13:04,083 --> 00:13:05,751
"Oh you're really a sexy man."

247
00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:07,153
"Yo, is that
buzzer number? "

248
00:13:07,186 --> 00:13:08,821
-" Two. "
-" Okay, I will go up soon. "

249
00:13:08,854 --> 00:13:11,357
You go up, you have a whack,
you do your business

250
00:13:11,357 --> 00:13:13,926
and then you just
come back down
and you keep going.

251
00:13:13,926 --> 00:13:15,461
But it's like an object,

252
00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:17,930
in all like a gay area .

253
00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:20,099
That if the phone rings,

254
00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:23,669
you know that
the closest person.

255
00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:25,971
Do they see you
from the window? </ p >

256
00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:27,439
That's crazy.

257
00:13:27,439 --> 00:13:28,874
But what do you know?

258
00:13:28,874 --> 00:13:31,010
These are things
that are happening.

259
00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:33,312
I remember those phones ringing
all over New York.

260
00:13:33,312 --> 00:13:35,514
I always answer them and
they will always be like, "Hi."

261
00:13:35,514 --> 00:13:36,715
And I would like,
"Fuck you!"

262
00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:38,117
You know I will like...
[stutter]

263
00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:40,319
so I don't know that

264
00:13:40,352 --> 00:13:43,189
> that's what
actually is -

265
00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:44,256
If the conversation starts running
I don't know where
it happened.

266
00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:46,258
That's good to know.

267
00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:49,795
[MICHAEL] I and
my friend Jody Rubello

268
00:13:49,862 --> 00:13:50,663
are young people who are
current active photographers

269
00:13:50,696 --> 00:13:54,066
and fans.

270
00:13:54,099 --> 00:13:56,302
And we decided
we want to make & apos; zine
for the Dead Children

271
00:13:56,368 --> 00:13:58,237
and we want to like
running their fan club.

272
00:13:58,237 --> 00:14:00,706
What do we know
running a fan club?

273
00:14:00,706 --> 00:14:03,742
and you cut the letters
and you, then you paste them

274
00:14:03,776 --> 00:14:05,544
and that says Dead Boys Fan Club

275
00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:06,846
in all these strange letters. </ p >

276
00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:09,348
But that is
talent from punk rock.

277
00:14:13,018 --> 00:14:16,889
[MICHAEL] At that time
they were the most
interesting bands I have ever seen. </ p >

278
00:14:16,889 --> 00:14:19,625
What a man ahead
Stiv Bators is.

279
00:14:19,625 --> 00:14:22,194
He's like that bastard
son of Iggy Pop.

280
00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:24,630
These people from 
/> Youngstown, Ohio

281
00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:26,332
come to New York

282
00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:29,802
and kick the fucking ass on CBGB> s. </ P>

283
00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:33,639
You know they will do it
come out and open
with Sonic Reducer.

284
00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,476
and at one point you know
Stiv like the type
shake it there

285
00:14:37,476 --> 00:14:40,312
and he will come out <br / > with this nice white blazer

286
00:14:40,312 --> 00:14:42,214
and it will tear the blazer

287
00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:45,084
and they will,
and he has like vinyl.

288
00:14:45,084 --> 00:14:49,788
And cut off vinyl
bologna pieces.

289
00:14:50,489 --> 00:14:52,358
And you will think 
what is this?

290
00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:53,492
What's going on here?

291
00:14:53,492 --> 00:14:56,161
And at some point he
likes crazy and goes into music

292
00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:58,030
and going to rip bologna,

293
00:14:58,097 --> 00:14:59,865
blow his nose in bologna

294
00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:02,401
and take bologna
and swallow it.

295
00:15:02,434 --> 00:15:04,870
And you know that
becomes punk rock which is very fun.

296
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:07,573
It's like
God what happened
Stiv Bators do?

297
00:15:07,606 --> 00:15:09,074
This is Stiv.

298
00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:12,678
Maybe it spits out
bologna.

299
00:15:12,678 --> 00:15:15,047
Like almost like he
masturbates this throat.

300
00:15:15,047 --> 00:15:19,051
We will sit on the lips
from the stage at the concert
and look at this,

301
00:15:19,084 --> 00:15:22,588
and we will only enter,
you know, a rock and roll paradise.

302
00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:25,591
Because of us too,
we know the bands, you know?

303
00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:28,594
And when you know those bands,
you know, you feel special.

304
00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:33,565
But as I said I was a fan of
Brooklyn who likes music.

305
00:15:33,565 --> 00:15:36,335
[Cheetah Chrome] Well, I mean
they are normal kids
from like Brooklyn, Queens. </ P>

306
00:15:36,335 --> 00:15:39,505
It's not like, you know
people with, you know,
razor blade. </ P>

307
00:15:39,505 --> 00:15:41,707
It's not like the scene in London
where everyone is
all dressed up.

308
00:15:41,707 --> 00:15:42,708
It's like normal kids.

309
00:15:42,708 --> 00:15:45,611
They really like it
and I mean just energy
spill us from them.

310
00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:49,114
That's amazing.
I mean they,
they love us and we know
and we love them

311
00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:53,652
I started working at a pharmacy
when I graduated
um, high school.

312
00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:55,587
One year
Visual Arts School

313
00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:57,056
and that is Astor Place.

314
00:15:57,089 --> 00:16:00,025
Buildings behind us,
this big building, uh, </ p >

315
00:16:00,025 --> 00:16:02,861
back that day
it was called, uh, District 65.

316
00:16:02,861 --> 00:16:05,297
It was the municipality of
unions.

317
00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:10,135
And in the summer of 1980 ,
uh, my dad made me
my first job there

318
00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:11,737
in shipping and
accepted the department

319
00:16:11,770 --> 00:16:14,173
One day I was having lunch,

320
00:16:14,206 --> 00:16:17,509
>

321
00:16:17,543 --> 00:16:20,713
and I'm on 11th Street
between 3 and 4 Avenue,

322
00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:23,582
and there is a building there
it's forever

323
00:16:23,582 --> 00:16:25,384
and at that time
It's called Casa Galicia.

324
00:16:25,384 --> 00:16:31,957
It's a Spanish dance hall.

325
00:16:31,957 --> 00:16:35,260
But the sign says it's there
is the dance club
will open there

326
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:38,430
So I just decided
I will enter this club,

327
00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:39,798
I want to see
what it looks like.

328
00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:43,268
We all know that

329
00:16:45,404 --> 00:16:46,772
> 80s as The Ritz. </ P>

330
00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:48,540
This is amazing. </ P>

331
00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:50,909
Here we are
Webster Hall. </ P>

332
00:16:50,909 --> 00:16:55,147
The returnee that day < called The Ritz.

333
00:16:55,147 --> 00:16:58,117
Um, I got my first job
in the music business here.

334
00:16:58,317 --> 00:16:59,785
That was, uh,
the summer of 1980 .

335
00:16:59,818 --> 00:17:02,254
When Mike was at The Ritz,

336
00:17:02,254 --> 00:17:05,424
I mean he was, like that
a hard time to believe,

337
00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:08,560
especially for bands
who will come,
British bands.

338
00:17:08,627 --> 00:17:10,629
I mean like,
it's phenomenal to think
that we see

339
00:17:10,629 --> 00:17:12,664
Duran Duran,
Adam and Ant,

340
00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:16,435
at The Ritz
when they play
their first American tour.

341
00:17:16,435 --> 00:17:18,570
You must give
credit to Jerry Brandt

342
00:17:18,637 --> 00:17:22,074
to recognize energy
and, and enthusiasm
from Michael.

343
00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:24,576
That's why what
you need in this business.

344
00:17:24,576 --> 00:17:29,748
This little boy's day 
go inside,

345
00:17:29,748 --> 00:17:32,985
and I, I think, I assume
I say, "Can I help?"

346
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,686
Because that's how I am.

347
00:17:34,686 --> 00:17:36,822
I like yes I want a job.

348
00:17:36,822 --> 00:17:39,458
And there is something
about him that is interesting.

349
00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:42,194
And...

350
00:17:42,194 --> 00:17:45,064
he says I'm Michael Alago
and blah, blah blah. </ P>

351
00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:47,566
And he said,
"Do you have a resume?" </ P>

352
00:17:48,967 --> 00:17:51,570
I like a resume? </ P>

353
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:55,607
I went to the School of Visual Arts
and I worked at the pharmacy
at Astor Place. </ P>

354
00:17:55,607 --> 00:17:57,643
And I kept looking at it,

355
00:17:57,676 --> 00:17:59,945
and he has this
sparkling in his eyes,

356
00:17:59,978 --> 00:18:02,448
and curiosity abounds.

357
00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,516
So I give him a job.

358
00:18:04,516 --> 00:18:05,951
Fast forward a little ,

359
00:18:05,951 --> 00:18:10,489
You know, now in 1980
and, you know, all of that
energy and stuff

360
00:18:10,489 --> 00:18:12,458
from the moment I
a teenager just said

361
00:18:12,458 --> 00:18:14,460
I want to be
in the music business.

362
00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:17,963
Well finally it happened, uh,
I got my first job at The Ritz.

363
00:18:17,963 --> 00:18:20,766
In a very short time
he became my assistant.

364
00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:22,134
And then he
did everything

365
00:18:22,167 --> 00:18:25,804
from the contract
to listen > all my phone calls

366
00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:28,640
Take a contract,
give me a contract...

367
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,777
And I think what he likes
about me as a young person </ p >

368
00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:32,878
is my joy.

369
00:18:32,878 --> 00:18:36,648
And I know
about everything from

370
00:18:36,715 --> 00:18:39,485
the Great American Song Book

371
00:18:39,485 --> 00:18:40,919
to heavy metals.

372
00:18:40,919 --> 00:18:44,590
Because of my love for music
it varies.

373
00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:46,859
And he hires me
as his assistant

374
00:18:46,859 --> 00:18:49,061
[Jerry Brandt] I always
ask him about the band

375
00:18:49,061 --> 00:18:52,264
because he is young
and I am in my 40s.

376
00:18:52,264 --> 00:18:55,100
And I, his ears
are closer to the ground.

377
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:58,871
So he finally becomes <br / > ordering at The Ritz.

378
00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:01,640
This person, Michael Alago,

379
00:19:01,707 --> 00:19:07,212
booked so many legendary events
in New York City.

380
00:19:07,212 --> 00:19:10,782
Ritz is very important
with Michael because
was like, again

381
00:19:10,782 --> 00:19:14,052
He was the person fought for
like, "The band will play."
do you know?

382
00:19:14,052 --> 00:19:17,322
Once again, the man is like,
he brought it
all this great music.

383
00:19:17,322 --> 00:19:18,790
He's the person
who ordered the event.

384
00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:21,426
He's the one who is interesting
those big bands,
do you know?

385
00:19:21,426 --> 00:19:23,495
Yes, could it be
someone else?

386
00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:25,430
Maybe not.
But that's it.

387
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:27,432
That's very interesting.

388
00:19:27,499 --> 00:19:30,536
I, I'm very <

389
00:19:30,602 --> 00:19:32,371
And you can
go to The Ritz

390
00:19:32,437 --> 00:19:36,808
and see everything
Tina Turner to The Specials.

391
00:19:36,808 --> 00:19:41,547
we are part of this
things new music all over the world
is happening.

392
00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:44,550
It comes from England,
it comes from New York, </ p >

393
00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:46,752
it's from
Australia.

394
00:19:46,752 --> 00:19:49,655
It's fun and
is from Germany.

395
00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:52,457
That's a fantastic period
in New York.

396
00:19:52,457 --> 00:19:58,597
It's like a little
a revival of the type
Period 1975-76.

397
00:19:58,664 --> 00:20:00,165
That was a little,

398
00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:01,733
when that happens
it eases a little

399
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,368
and then that sort of thing
brings it back

400
00:20:03,402 --> 00:20:05,070
rocking
temporarily.

401
00:20:05,137 --> 00:20:10,976
>

402
00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:15,113
That's as far as I know,
the first club that has a major

403
00:20:15,113 --> 00:20:20,252
dances to the rhythm of the music
called rock and roll,
with videos. </ p >

404
00:20:20,252 --> 00:20:23,922
I think it's wonderful
beautiful you hear
rock and roll,

405
00:20:23,922 --> 00:20:27,559
you, there is something
to see and dance floor.

406
00:20:27,693 --> 00:20:31,697
And I think that,
very few people
unite it together.

407
00:20:40,505 --> 00:20:42,207
♪ ♪

408
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,575
Be Romantic Flowers
will come out

409
00:20:43,575 --> 00:20:46,411
so Michael is their book
at The Ritz.

410
00:20:46,445 --> 00:20:48,046
I don't think he knows,
no one in the crowd knows

411
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,549
that the band it
will do this

412
00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:52,417
I warn him.

413
00:20:52,417 --> 00:20:56,488
I say if you mess up
with this screen you
have to pay.

414
00:20:56,488 --> 00:20:58,924
You know, there is energy

415
00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:02,527
in that room
something is down.

416
00:21:02,561 --> 00:21:05,697
Something's happening
and you

417
00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:07,833
in the right place
at the right time

418
00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,635
if you want
experience it.

419
00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,237
And finally
the music starts,

420
00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:14,940
and it's only
Romantic song flowers

421
00:21:14,973 --> 00:21:18,176
only where they
pound the drum and

422
00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:20,545
the band
behind the scenes

423
00:21:20,545 --> 00:21:22,281
and they
don't exit

424
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,316
and the crowd
starts getting nervous

425
00:21:24,316 --> 00:21:31,189
and the screen is down
and white is clearly
enemy.

426
00:21:31,189 --> 00:21:32,491
[Danny Fields ]
It's a big white enemy

427
00:21:32,491 --> 00:21:36,862
because it's
away
people,

428
00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:40,699
, celebrated Johnny Rotten
who you came to see.

429
00:21:40,699 --> 00:21:41,733
Fuck PiL.

430
00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:44,002
I want to see
Johnny Rotten in action.

431
00:21:44,002 --> 00:21:47,739
And kids start throwing
bottles and it's bad.

432
00:21:47,739 --> 00:21:50,309
They won't appear
in front of the screen.

433
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:53,045
We never, uh, < br /> is intended to play live shows.

434
00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:56,248
It was never intended.
That is, video performance.

435
00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:58,216
[Antone DeSantis]
They are on stage
some people

436
00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:00,052
and they
drag down the screen.

437
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:02,087
The band goes.

438
00:22:02,087 --> 00:22:03,855
This is very messy.

439
00:22:03,855 --> 00:22:05,290
I don't know
who gets hurt.

440
00:22:05,290 --> 00:22:06,625
Security is involved,

441
00:22:06,625 --> 00:22:09,594
You know how
security can be involved with that kind of
from events like this.

442
00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:11,096
I don't know
where the band went
at that time

443
00:22:11,096 --> 00:22:13,532
but I'm sure everything
just wants to kill Johnny.

444
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:18,670
Say, uh, you know,
with modern comparisons
I have a Bieber moment.

445
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:28,947
Everything is very, very much
Film B when,
when I look back.

446
00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:31,917
But at the same time
I look back at it
right really warm.

447
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:34,119
That, that's funny.

448
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,456
I mean the prospect of
facing that riot

449
00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:41,093
just seems honest
funny to me

450
00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:44,062
And me, and I think that
makes the audience laugh too.

451
00:22:44,062 --> 00:22:46,264
And it becomes ridiculous,
do you know?

452
00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:50,102
This is PiL,
it's not my Pistol item
it happens here. </ P>

453
00:22:50,102 --> 00:22:53,605
We think more
in the world and, and

454
00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:55,674
be, we win,

455
00:22:55,674 --> 00:23:01,279
on the noble combination

intellectualism and alcoholism.

456
00:23:02,814 --> 00:23:04,750
Hey!
The drink is with me.

457
00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:06,885
That's how you stop the riot.

458
00:23:07,419 --> 00:23:09,821
[Cherry Vanilla]
I won't call him a fraud > like Jerry Brandt.

459
00:23:09,821 --> 00:23:12,391
But he came out
to make it in the
music business

460
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:13,225
and you know that.

461
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:17,696
Really cute, and sweet,
and friendly,
and as enthusiastic as he is,

462
00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:21,433
she's also beautiful
very aggressive.

463
00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:23,835
At some point, uh,
I am ready to leave The Ritz

464
00:23:23,835 --> 00:23:26,538
and, uh, Jerry Brandt
called Bob Crasnow.

465
00:23:26,538 --> 00:23:30,075
And, uh, at Elektra Records
and the next thing you know,

466
00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:32,677
I got my first job
as an A & R executive.

467
00:23:32,778 --> 00:23:35,113
[MICHAEL] A & R.
Artists and Repertoires.

468
00:23:35,113 --> 00:23:39,317
Becoming an A & R executive
is a dream job for a
music fan like me.

469
00:23:39,317 --> 00:23:41,086
You do everything
with artists.

470
00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,455
From helping them decide
what songs to record,

471
00:23:43,455 --> 00:23:46,525
to recruit producers,
go to the studio,

472
00:23:46,525 --> 00:23:48,593
and even work
album art cover .

473
00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:50,762
I have a large
expense account.

474
00:23:50,762 --> 00:23:54,599
So it's a constant party
and drinks are always there with me.

475
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,235
But so far ,
the best part of A & R

476
00:23:57,269 --> 00:24:00,939
find, sign,
and develop new talent.

477
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,908
You get paid
to do what you like .

478
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:05,444
And you have
this expense account.

479
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:08,580
and I believe that
in the beginning for both of us

480
00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:11,683
there is this 
not guilty.

481
00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:14,052
That you are not enough
realize,

482
00:24:14,052 --> 00:24:18,256
that you are not that child
on the way

483
00:24:18,256 --> 00:24:21,226
it will just come out
to see the band all the time.

484
00:24:22,727 --> 00:24:24,563
This is too funny.

485
00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,164
This is too good.

486
00:24:26,164 --> 00:24:31,803
Here we are.
Uh, at 1546 62nd Street.

487
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:33,905
Houses from L & Apos; Amour's.

488
00:24:43,448 --> 00:24:45,450
really surprised my mind,

489
00:24:45,517 --> 00:24:48,920
because I have never been to this environment
in a few years.

490
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,692
You know back that day,
for young bands
Come and play at L & Am; Amour's,

491
00:24:53,692 --> 00:24:55,994
uh, like...

492
00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:57,329
peak for them.

493
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,231
They go like heaven.

494
00:24:59,231 --> 00:25:02,267
They go like heaven.

495
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,102
It's like, you know
oh, the equivalent of playing,
you know

496
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:08,406
like Madison Square Garden.

497
00:25:08,406 --> 00:25:12,444
But you know what,
this is a place where
we are all young people,

498
00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:15,947
the teenagers come to see
our favorite bands </ p >

499
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:19,885
in that place
basically a small place,

500
00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:21,219
and you are right in front.

501
00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:23,622
You have to
see and hear
everything something.

502
00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:25,824
And the show
is amazing,

503
00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:28,326
You know, like CBGB
in New York City,

504
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,061
uh, this is < br /> right place.

505
00:25:30,061 --> 00:25:32,130
This is the right place.

506
00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:39,371
Before we find out about
Metallica, Slayer, Creator,
Diamond King,

507
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:40,906
p>

508
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:44,242
all those people.

509
00:25:44,242 --> 00:25:48,380
We listen to
black Sabbath,
Iron Maiden.

510
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,382
Judas - that
rock and roll staples

511
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,450
and that's what happened
we love.

512
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:58,490
This important little cassette
came on my desk.

513
00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:01,927
I have a different memory
Michael's call,
again calling me,

514
00:26:01,927 --> 00:26:04,596
and say look
we will go to
L & Amos in Brooklyn

515
00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:06,831
and we go
to go see this band
Metallica

516
00:26:06,831 --> 00:26:11,503
That was a Metallica demo that
kids like raving about. </ P>

517
00:26:11,503 --> 00:26:14,773
But, you know, as I said,
keep in mind it's a young scene. </ P>

518
00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:18,043
It's underground and
it's all word of mouth.

519
00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:21,046
I mean at that point in time
with the music scene
happened, the heavy metal scene,

520
00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,480
is very interesting.

521
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,652
Because it is a bond,
galvanizing it like that
for that, for that generation,

522
00:26:27,652 --> 00:26:28,420
for the age group us.

523
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,956
[KURT] That is our music
and that is happening.

524
00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:32,924
And that happens and
people dig it up

525
00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,726
and there's
energy and excitement.

526
00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:36,061
So here's Michael.

527
00:26:36,127 --> 00:26:40,231
August 1984. </ P>

528
00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:43,835
Um, uptown a little,

529
00:26:43,868 --> 00:26:45,604
in Roseland. </ P>

530
00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:49,941
Metallica, Raven, and Anthrax,

531
00:26:49,975 --> 00:26:54,746
um, that in um,
like I said,
in early August.

532
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:58,683
You know the first one
our great show
playing at, um, in New York

533
00:26:58,717 --> 00:27:03,555
clear Roseland
an important place
at that time, uh...

534
00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:05,156
And, uh, we were there.

535
00:27:05,156 --> 00:27:06,625
We playing, we were squashed.

536
00:27:06,691 --> 00:27:09,694
Anthrax opened,
we were in the middle,
and Raven approached.

537
00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:13,098
They, they blew Raven
outside stage.

538
00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:15,734
And Anthrax is open to them.

539
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:18,269
It's like, uh, yes.
In Roseland.

540
00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:19,704
And then Burton is still alive.

541
00:27:19,704 --> 00:27:22,507
Those who come to Jesus
when in music
when you are like,

542
00:27:22,507 --> 00:27:25,644
you are like this holy cow
Damn it is very strong.

543
00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:31,549
The, you know, electricity
in the air in Roseland
is very high. </ P>

544
00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:32,984
It's sold out. </ P>

545
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,353
None of these bands <br

546
00:27:35,353 --> 00:27:38,023
As I said before,
cassette.

547
00:27:38,023 --> 00:27:39,157
Cassette.

548
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:41,126
Uh, it's being traded.

549
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:44,396
Homemade adventurers become
unconscious seeing my band.

550
00:27:44,396 --> 00:27:47,832
Children in the audience know

551
00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:50,335
they will experience
something that will happen

552
00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:52,904
tore their heads.

553
00:27:53,304 --> 00:27:54,706
And that's right.

554
00:27:54,739 --> 00:27:59,344
And that was the beginning-
for me early

555
00:27:59,377 --> 00:28:02,580
my true love
for Metallica.

556
00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:06,317
[Kirk Hammett]
I will never forget he was like
literally, like being caught,

557
00:28:06,317 --> 00:28:08,486
to the room screaming
at the top of his voice. </ p >

558
00:28:08,486 --> 00:28:11,489
You're great,
I love you.

559
00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:13,391
He hugs us,
kisses us, you know.

560
00:28:13,391 --> 00:28:15,694
And we go
Michael, yeah Michael.

561
00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,462
Yes, Michael.

562
00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:22,967
And, you know, that was before,
it was really the beginning
of— from that relationship

563
00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:28,373
Really, that night,
like the launch pad.

564
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:32,177
You know I'm very happy that Alago
appeared to see us alive.

565
00:28:32,177 --> 00:28:37,082
My point is, that is...
That,...

566
00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:40,085
You know me,
if you are a musician,

567
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:41,786
you can to be
amazing in the studio,

568
00:28:41,853 --> 00:28:43,755
you can do it
all these amazing things.

569
00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:46,825
But until I see someone alive...

570
00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:49,661
Michael is 21 years old.

571
00:28:49,661 --> 00:28:51,463
And they made him an A & R.

572
00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:53,031
And he took them Metallica

573
00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,066
one of the biggest
names all the time. </ P>

574
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,167
Plus another group. </ P>

575
00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:57,502
But Metallica. </ P>

576
00:28:57,535 --> 00:29:01,206
I can feel that something very
is happening here.

577
00:29:01,206 --> 00:29:05,343
Uh, because they brought
punk and metal together.

578
00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,345
And, uh,

579
00:29:07,812 --> 00:29:10,682
Great people
and Michael hit him
with them

580
00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:12,817
and, uh, I remember
hanging out with them.

581
00:29:12,817 --> 00:29:15,086
They were right really,
is really down to earth.

582
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,622
One of them specifically,
Cliff, who, you know,

583
00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:20,391
is pretty sad, you know, < br /> isn't here anymore,

584
00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:22,093
is rather good
like a hippie.

585
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:24,295
I remember talking to him
about music on L; Amour

586
00:29:24,295 --> 00:29:26,831
and he told me
how much he was

587
00:29:26,831 --> 00:29:31,236
Simon & Garfunkel and
thing singer songwriter
and I like,

588
00:29:31,236 --> 00:29:33,872
wow, how amazing is this fricking
?

589
00:29:33,872 --> 00:29:37,175
It's like, these people
are right really like music,

590
00:29:37,175 --> 00:29:42,046
and they not only like it,
you know, thrash metal and punk.

591
00:29:42,046 --> 00:29:44,048
They become many
different music.

592
00:29:44,048 --> 00:29:47,318
[Lars Ulrich] You know,
there is a parallel because,
you know, Michael Alago

593
00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:53,124
is an outsider in
the main type of environment.

594
00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:56,427
and we always consider
ourselves to be outsiders,

595
00:29:56,427 --> 00:30:01,399
in a sort of
potentially, you know,
the main environment

596
00:30:01,399 --> 00:30:03,134
and in some ways
you can argue,

597
00:30:03,168 --> 00:30:04,869
maybe it's not clear
at that time,

598
00:30:04,869 --> 00:30:08,139
but you can argue
that we are perfect
for each other, you know?

599
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:10,074
Yes, we were there
MegaForce Records.

600
00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:14,179
Eh, with Johnny Zazula
and his wife,

601
00:30:14,179 --> 00:30:15,713
and...

602
00:30:16,781 --> 00:30:21,252
they pretty much took us
to our place at that time.

603
00:30:21,252 --> 00:30:23,555
Not them
couldn't take us further,

604
00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:26,024
um, but this is chance.

605
00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:29,394
And I'm sure they know this
will come at some point,

606
00:30:29,394 --> 00:30:30,628
um,

607
00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:32,497
and that you know,

608
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:35,266
You, you help
the baby grow up.

609
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,736
And at some point
will walk alone
and you wave goodbye.

610
00:30:38,736 --> 00:30:42,440
Broadly speaking,
is really like,
is that possible? </ P>

611
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,575
and we don't know,

612
00:30:43,575 --> 00:30:46,544
what is it possible
to be on the big label

613
00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:48,146
without feeling like
you sell out?

614
00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:51,516
Is it possible
related to the big label

615
00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:53,585
and feel that you still have it

616
00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,653
the freedom to be
who you want to be,

617
00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:57,322
you know and the like
play with your rules alone.

618
00:30:57,322 --> 00:30:59,991
[James Hetfield] Alago
takes us to a new world

619
00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:02,060
Elektra Records,
main labels and,

620
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:03,061
and that is a game.

621
00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:07,799
That's wow, okay we
got this tour now and,

622
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,769
, you know, plus
that day was very big.

623
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:13,638
[Kirk Hammett]
He has a vision for us that

624
00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:17,642
I don't think we
certainly aware.

625
00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:19,944
Yes, when we send < br /> Mastermind

626
00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:23,114
is big enough
things for, for everyone.

627
00:31:23,114 --> 00:31:25,183
Michael is very excited.

628
00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:30,054
I think what applies
sort of, that thought,
is that,

629
00:31:30,088 --> 00:31:33,858
you know,
we have do something
it will, will

630
00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:37,562
really just put us
on the map
and that, that,

631
00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:40,331
it will happen 
speak for us
for years to come.

632
00:31:40,531 --> 00:31:45,003
Small gay men
from New York City

633
00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:50,742
signs, at that time, <br maybe the most innovative,

634
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,978
uh, breakthrough band
in Metallica.

635
00:31:53,978 --> 00:31:59,284
And then obviously
White Zombies later
in his career and what who doesn't.

636
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:03,454
For me it only shows
once again,

637
00:32:03,454 --> 00:32:06,157
no matter who you are,

638
00:32:06,157 --> 00:32:09,160
in your personal life and
whatever you do with it,

639
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,164
It makes no difference
if you are a music fan.

640
00:32:13,231 --> 00:32:17,468
[John Lydon]
I mean who will think,
an open man will be uh,

641
00:32:17,502 --> 00:32:21,472
really run
heavy metal bands

642
00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:24,208
this decade,
at that time?

643
00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:26,210
Fantastic.
That managed to cure.

644
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:28,579
And uh, and they
all are still friends.

645
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:30,882
I think everything
how to live,

646
00:32:30,915 --> 00:32:33,551
the situation that happened
and works well

647
00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:36,254
are people which you
least expect.

648
00:32:36,254 --> 00:32:39,724
And so
the
event alignment on paper

649
00:32:39,724 --> 00:32:42,927
will look, uh,
like no hoper.

650
00:32:42,927 --> 00:32:44,062
But that's how it is.

651
00:32:44,062 --> 00:32:48,399
[Mike Gitter]
I think, you know, for example
that Michael provided

652
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,768
You can, you can
take something,

653
00:32:50,768 --> 00:32:54,238
which is in it,
in the universe itself
and that is its own culture

654
00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:57,842
and no, there is no need
must fit in every red box.

655
00:32:57,842 --> 00:33:03,147
Uh, and that can be,
You know that can happen
main stream.

656
00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:21,766
Here we are in West Hollywood
on Sunset Boulevard.

657
00:33:21,766 --> 00:33:24,235
I stood up
in the corner of Carol Drive.

658
00:33:24,235 --> 00:33:28,673
Uh, home of the uh, former home
Geffen Records, 9130 Sunset.

659
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,143
This whole block,
this bungalow series

660
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,012
from Carol to Doheny

661
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,613
is a record company. </ P>

662
00:33:35,613 --> 00:33:39,417
I arrived here in 1990, 
uh, to start working.

663
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:42,286
and the first band I signed
was White Zombie.

664
00:33:42,286 --> 00:33:46,958
Uh, when we got Cher,
Weapon and Rose, Beck,

665
00:33:46,958 --> 00:33:49,293
White Snakes, Sonic Youth,

666
00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:54,999
uh, that is confusion
extraordinary creativity,
activity,

667
00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:58,169
um, almost like that
we can't do anything wrong.

668
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:01,139
[Sean Yseult]
White Zombies Both have been at
Caroline Records, and um,

669
00:34:01,172 --> 00:34:03,041
we feel like
everyone around us

670
00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:05,543
it has been signed
to the current department

671
00:34:05,576 --> 00:34:08,312
and, and it might be
we can, which one,

672
00:34:08,312 --> 00:34:10,314
is a bit outrageous
we think that 'cause,

673
00:34:10,381 --> 00:34:12,283
we are not commercial
in any way,

674
00:34:12,283 --> 00:34:14,152
or the main label material.

675
00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:17,989
But we just feel like,
You know, we've been working hard for four years

676
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:20,458
and maybe, you know,
we can jump there. </ P>

677
00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:22,660
I don't know as soon as possible 
/> we start thinking about it,

678
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:25,363
suddenly somehow
we connected with
RCA Records

679
00:34:25,363 --> 00:34:30,201
and MCA Records
and people started
asking us to meet and uh ,

680
00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:32,937
we met with them but
we don't feel right about them.

681
00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:35,873
Like, they will—
like, we go in there and <br / > suddenly they are like,

682
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:37,675
"Oh White Zombie
is really street. "

683
00:34:37,708 --> 00:34:40,878
You know?
Like ugh, that god
doesn't sound good.

684
00:34:40,878 --> 00:34:43,514
[Daniel Rey]
I did God of Thunder EP

685
00:34:43,548 --> 00:34:45,283
and that sort of thing
bridging between the old

686
00:34:45,316 --> 00:34:46,684
Noisy White Zombies

687
00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:49,487
and a little more
mainstream rock.

688
00:34:49,487 --> 00:34:51,756
and we play around
with the sampler,

689
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,425
You know, that is
the initial days of sampling.

690
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:58,563
Where you can
release the sound from the movie
and put it in your item.

691
00:34:58,563 --> 00:35:00,031
So Rob is interested in that,

692
00:35:00,031 --> 00:35:02,300
and we throw <br / > power sample in song.

693
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,535
Just a kind of foresight, from
what will happen.

694
00:35:04,535 --> 00:35:06,904
I tried to bring it to RCA,

695
00:35:06,904 --> 00:35:09,307
with Circus of Power
and Raging Slab. </ P>

696
00:35:09,307 --> 00:35:13,611
But um, I know that RCA
is not a good house for them. </ P>

697
00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:17,715
So I'm kind of fair
go through the
movement take them to RCA.

698
00:35:17,715 --> 00:35:21,152
Where, really Alago
in Geffen is
where they need to go.

699
00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:25,590
Geffen.
That's a cool label,
you know, they,
they just signed, uh,

700
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,758
Sonic and Nirvana Youth and,

701
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,895
you know , they have
very good Weapons and Roses
,

702
00:35:30,928 --> 00:35:34,532
we are very excited
to meet this guy
from Geffen and uh,

703
00:35:34,565 --> 00:35:37,235
Daniel really took him
to one of our shows at that time </ p >

704
00:35:37,235 --> 00:35:39,937
which one, um,
is a place called 428 Lafayette

705
00:35:39,937 --> 00:35:44,175
or it's Club 428,
or 428 Lafayette,
which is the address.

706
00:35:44,175 --> 00:35:47,378
In the corner, behind,
in the dark

707
00:35:47,378 --> 00:35:51,649
are these four young men
making noise.

708
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:52,884
It's noise.

709
00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:55,820
I don't think they are, you know,
I don't hear songs. </ P>

710
00:35:55,820 --> 00:36:01,726
But, what I see is this um,

711
00:36:01,726 --> 00:36:05,897
crazy wild charisma
which I feel from them.

712
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:07,498
They
shake.

713
00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,300
It's noisy.

714
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:12,937
As I said,
I don't remember them < br /> become a song,

715
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:16,607
but for me
at that time,

716
00:36:16,641 --> 00:36:19,744
being a young A & R person
in the music business,

717
00:36:19,777 --> 00:36:22,246
uh, I like energy.

718
00:36:22,246 --> 00:36:26,284
I can care if a song
will be played < br /> on the radio or whatever.

719
00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:29,353
I just like this
noisy energy.

720
00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:34,125
Michael can see that art
in something even if it's fair /> chaos for others.

721
00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:35,326
He can see
what can happen.

722
00:36:35,326 --> 00:36:36,160
Because of that -

723
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,497
Whatever we become, 
whatever we become
successful for,

724
00:36:39,564 --> 00:36:42,033
we have very little
besides than

725
00:36:42,066 --> 00:36:43,868
someone enters
go, Wow, what they do

726
00:36:43,935 --> 00:36:45,369
no one else does it. "

727
00:36:45,436 --> 00:36:48,339
And they have
some rough versions of
from the complete package.

728
00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:50,341
Maksud saya, Anda tahu,
itu cukup mentah.

729
00:36:50,408 --> 00:36:52,777
But that's the key
to be a great A & R man.

730
00:36:52,777 --> 00:36:54,845
After being polished
everyone can see it.

731
00:36:54,845 --> 00:36:56,347
You should see
when it's raw,

732
00:36:56,347 --> 00:36:58,783
you must be the person
who signed it when
no one else wanted it.

733
00:36:58,783 --> 00:37:00,017
And that's what he did.

734
00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:01,719
It's wild, I like it.

735
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,287
I think it's amazing.

736
00:37:03,287 --> 00:37:07,658
And when they get out of the stage,
you know, dreadlocks are
depending on everywhere

737
00:37:07,658 --> 00:37:14,265
Rob and uh, they are
the funniest, most beautiful
people I've ever met.

738
00:37:14,298 --> 00:37:15,900
I remember it clearly.

739
00:37:15,933 --> 00:37:18,903
Looks like we have
like one song he likes.

740
00:37:18,936 --> 00:37:20,538
And I don't even know
if he likes the whole song.

741
00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:24,342
We have one riff from one song
he will always talk about.

742
00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:26,744
And it looks like
he signed us alone
based on that.

743
00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:28,646
Literally just based on that.

744
00:37:28,646 --> 00:37:30,915
For me that is the sign
like, A & R.

745
00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:33,951
Do, experience that,
you know, that sense of vision.

746
00:37:33,951 --> 00:37:38,155
See something that isn't,
You know, it's not formed to -

747
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:42,493
it's the best zygote,
and you know,

748
00:37:42,526 --> 00:37:47,498
see, you know, while you see it
the embers are like a fan
become hell.

749
00:37:47,632 --> 00:37:51,869
Once again his
honest and brutal love for music,

750
00:37:51,869 --> 00:37:58,876
uh, not only shines,
but also, looking inside < br /> the future too

751
00:37:58,876 --> 00:38:01,646
which is an extraordinary gift,
really.

752
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:02,713
[Sean Yseult]
A little dangerous.

753
00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:05,149
Sesuatu itu
sedikit berbahaya saat itu.

754
00:38:05,182 --> 00:38:07,518
Which one, you know,
we like and, and uh,

755
00:38:07,518 --> 00:38:09,887
he really really
likes our drummer.

756
00:38:09,887 --> 00:38:14,258
Um, we have,
a big muscular tattoo, cute,

757
00:38:14,258 --> 00:38:17,695
he's still tall
a school drummer who is uh,

758
00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:19,563
the Alago is called Sweet Ivan.

759
00:38:20,431 --> 00:38:22,099
"Oh, sweet Ivan." </ P>

760
00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:23,334
"Oh, sweet Ivan." </ P>

761
00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:27,672
And um, I don't know,
I always thank God,
You know, Ivan is in our band

762
00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:30,274
or we may never have
signed for Geffen.

763
00:38:30,274 --> 00:38:32,176
I am a gay recording executive. </ p >

764
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:34,412
Remembering,
I like heavy metals.

765
00:38:34,412 --> 00:38:38,115
I like noise.
I like... I like...

766
00:38:38,115 --> 00:38:39,483
I like sweat .

767
00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:43,754
I like it when I go to a concert,
99% of people there.

768
00:38:43,788 --> 00:38:45,256
I mean why, why isn't he?

769
00:38:45,289 --> 00:38:46,590
I mean, what is he,
what will he love?

770
00:38:46,624 --> 00:38:48,926
You go to the show
and it's like, you know,

771
00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:50,828
a bunch of jacked up
people on steroids

772
00:38:50,828 --> 00:38:53,164
with their clothes
hit nonsense
with each other.

773
00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:54,031
He is in heaven. </ p >

774
00:38:54,031 --> 00:38:56,467
[MICHAEL] Never exist
nickname.

775
00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:00,871
Um, but always,
you know what I always do
that thought uh ,

776
00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:04,241
if the right word is funny,
is uh, keep in mind,

777
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,110
all the people
come to see me

778
00:39:06,143 --> 00:39:09,013
as A & R executives
at Elektra or Geffen,

779
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,182
know like,
oh, Alago likes metal.

780
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:12,249
He signed Metallica.

781
00:39:12,249 --> 00:39:13,351
He signed the Metal Church. </ P>

782
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,285
He signed Flotsam. </ P>

783
00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:16,120
Dia bekerja dengan
George Lynch.

784
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,222
So, you know,
in a strange way,

785
00:39:18,222 --> 00:39:22,259
young people that you might
think are homophobic

786
00:39:22,259 --> 00:39:24,929
have to get ready with me,

787
00:39:24,929 --> 00:39:27,865
because, I don't want to think
stick with me or tolerate,

788
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,434
because I hate those words,
because I hate being tolerated,

789
00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:32,503
The reason is always one
want to be respected.

790
00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:35,172
But those young people
have to face me

791
00:39:35,172 --> 00:39:38,209
because I'm the person
they will come for
recording contracts.

792
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:42,646
And I think that
The beauty of all that is that

793
00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:46,617
they might not
ever meet a gay <br all their lives.

794
00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:49,420
and everything
that they can
come to my office

795
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:53,057
and we can sit
behind closed doors and
listen to very loud music

796
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:54,725
and they can
Play me their demo

797
00:39:54,759 --> 00:39:58,362
and they see that,
"Oh, you know,
that guy is cool. "

798
00:39:58,362 --> 00:40:00,898
and they will do it
maybe leave my office

799
00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:05,503
with a different perspective
from what is meant by gay.

800
00:40:05,536 --> 00:40:07,071
That makes it stand out

801
00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:11,075
among many...
all other recording industries
that person,

802
00:40:11,108 --> 00:40:15,279
, it will,
that we come to meet 
over a period of time.

803
00:40:15,279 --> 00:40:18,682
Michael stands out,
in that way

804
00:40:18,682 --> 00:40:25,256
maybe, you know, the perspective
is different because, from, from
he, his sexuality.

805
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:31,228
Maybe he stands out,
in that way, uh,
in, a, a, really like,

806
00:40:31,228 --> 00:40:34,832
I hate to say it ,
sort of homophobic, uh, genre.

807
00:40:34,832 --> 00:40:37,701
He is brave enough
to stand there and,
and be honest

808
00:40:37,701 --> 00:40:39,670
and feel comfortable
with who he is.

809
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:43,841
But that's quite ironic
how is it all, you know,
hardcore stuff

810
00:40:43,841 --> 00:40:47,077
and all metal objects
tough macho people and then,

811
00:40:47,077 --> 00:40:50,448
you know, this is Michael ,
and everyone hugs him.

812
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:55,386
Fantastic.
You, you, you must do it
knowing that those people
are fully themselves

813
00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,021
and merge with themselves,

814
00:40:57,021 --> 00:40:59,690
is the easiest person
in the world to hang out with.

815
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:02,059
And I think that, uh,
that's how we work.

816
00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:03,794
Because as friends.

817
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:07,298
Because there are, there is no
hidden agenda.

818
00:41:07,364 --> 00:41:08,199
Fantastic.

819
00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:10,134
And, and for that
he doesn't need to lie. </ P>

820
00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:11,469
Dan dia tidak.

821
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,839
To this day, I tell you,
I don't know any lies
he once said.

822
00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:17,508
There might be
some out there
to oppose me.

823
00:41:17,508 --> 00:41:20,611
But I would be more likely
thought they were lying.

824
00:41:20,744 --> 00:41:24,215
I have to say that, you know,
grew up very
sheltered place

825
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,784
in a church family
while still a child in Michigan.

826
00:41:26,784 --> 00:41:28,486
We came on a farm
and everything.

827
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,788
I never exposed
to all this kind of thing.

828
00:41:30,788 --> 00:41:33,924
Alternative lifestyles that come
as a teenager from the 70s.

829
00:41:33,924 --> 00:41:36,126
I have never been right- really understand
exposed to most of it at all.

830
00:41:36,126 --> 00:41:39,296
After time passed
and I looked back and saw
what brother,

831
00:41:39,296 --> 00:41:42,867
friends of my brothers,
which are gay or
different things like this

832
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,770
I realize that now as,
or when I finally < br /> think about those things.

833
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,140
But Michael, um, that's
one of the things we did
know about him right away.

834
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:53,244
That's wrong only
that people will tell you
about him or whatever.

835
00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:55,279
So, for me it's new.

836
00:41:55,713 --> 00:41:58,582
[Jason Newsted]
That's part of that and that's
intact, I mean in the world,

837
00:41:58,582 --> 00:42:01,752
You know the cause
you have to think about it
I am in Flotsam

838
00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:04,121
as long as a few years like we
got an agreement and all that.

839
00:42:04,121 --> 00:42:06,123
Halloween year & apos; 86 was
the last show I did with Flotsam.

840
00:42:06,123 --> 00:42:08,759
Loading my own SVT
to my truck,
back home.

841
00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:11,395
10 days later I played
sold out Budokan
with Metallica.

842
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,999
I never did anything
about traveling
the country side playing the show.

843
00:42:14,999 --> 00:42:18,736
I only played on, in
Arizona and California

844
00:42:18,736 --> 00:42:21,272
at that time I
joined Metallica.

845
00:42:21,272 --> 00:42:24,508
So my exposure to things Things,
it's all very fast.

846
00:42:24,508 --> 00:42:26,877
That's a lot of whirlwind.
After I joined Metallica,

847
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,579
started traveling
around the world,

848
00:42:28,612 --> 00:42:29,914
everything is new to me.

849
00:42:29,947 --> 00:42:33,350
When we meet, you know,
I mean, you know,
Clearly Michael gay

850
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,486
because he was found
flamboyant that way.

851
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:42,192
Dan uh, dan ketika saya pergi,
“Oh wow, ini hampir seperti
Saya memiliki sekutu. ”

852
00:42:42,192 --> 00:42:43,994
You know because
the rest of the people
in the bad know me,

853
00:42:43,994 --> 00:42:46,063
I always
basically come out, but

854
00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,133
in my circles
but never come out publicly
or whatever

855
00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:50,568
because I never felt
who needed

856
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:52,403
or whose business even
for that.

857
00:42:52,403 --> 00:42:56,607
But met Michael,
and in that case, then

858
00:42:56,607 --> 00:42:59,543
when I told him
I was gay,

859
00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:01,679
You know, it's
one of those moments, like

860
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:02,580
really?

861
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:05,282
You know, you're in the band
and you play guitar
in a metal band

862
00:43:05,282 --> 00:43:06,150
and you, you know,

863
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:09,053
if I am a singer or something
maybe, you know, it will -

864
00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:11,188
Because you know, like,
Rob Halford,
Freddie Mercury,

865
00:43:11,221 --> 00:43:12,456
and all that
there is something there.

866
00:43:12,489 --> 00:43:15,092
But, so we immediately
become good friends

867
00:43:15,092 --> 00:43:17,928
and are friends
for years the year since then
and that is

868
00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:19,129
maybe why.

869
00:43:19,129 --> 00:43:22,032
I have seen it hanged
your hardest people,

870
00:43:22,066 --> 00:43:23,467
you look the wrong way,

871
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,803
You end up on the river
in New York City.

872
00:43:25,803 --> 00:43:27,104
They will separate you.

873
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:30,908
And who is ahead and in the middle of
talking to these people
about music?

874
00:43:30,908 --> 00:43:32,676
Similarity.
Michael Alago.

875
00:43:32,676 --> 00:43:34,445
You know we went to 
/> lots of events together.

876
00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:36,880
But it's always like that
Cro-Mags or whatever.

877
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,882
[Rob Zombie]
So we will be on some shows.

878
00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:41,685
Some small clubs just because
he likes Cro-Mags.

879
00:43:41,685 --> 00:43:43,520
For them they are
next Metallica.

880
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,592
And it's nothing like
the dirtiest, nastiest, cruelest
looking for skinheads everywhere

881
00:43:48,592 --> 00:43:51,729
and Michael without hesitation
will always show

882
00:43:51,729 --> 00:43:55,833
the biggest,
looks cruel, tattooed
skinhead he can find,

883
00:43:55,833 --> 00:43:58,869
is fixated on him like,
"That's my boyfriend
for the night this. "

884
00:43:58,869 --> 00:44:00,771
I like,
" Please don't do this. "

885
00:44:00,771 --> 00:44:01,839
" You will
get you killed. "</ P>

886
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:03,407
But I somehow
know he won't do it. </ P>

887
00:44:04,341 --> 00:44:06,777
And he will get lost
in the crowd, I will lose him,

888
00:44:06,777 --> 00:44:07,478
I'll go home.

889
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:10,948
The next time I talk to him
he will show up, go like,

890
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:13,283
You know, relate,
link the story </ p >

891
00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,653
how everything works
the way he wants it
to work

892
00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:18,822
that night with anything,
You know, maniac he found

893
00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:21,759
and of course
always has Polaroid to prove it
and only him,

894
00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:23,794
how many times
that he did that
extraordinary.

895
00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:28,666
He was always involved
with the people who were in it
and real about things that.

896
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,668
You know when he
saw Cro-Mags

897
00:44:30,701 --> 00:44:34,204
despite the history of
from the band and everything
any nonsense.

898
00:44:34,204 --> 00:44:38,242
Nobody can say in the 80s
when you came to see
Cro-Mags

899
00:44:38,242 --> 00:44:41,578
that we didn't use
a painful show

900
00:44:41,578 --> 00:44:45,883
And we're all about that,
and leave everything on stage
every damn night.

901
00:44:45,883 --> 00:44:47,351
S why
he likes Cro-Mags .

902
00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:48,886
Same as Metallica.

903
00:44:48,886 --> 00:44:51,555
Same as, you know,
all the bands that work with it.

904
00:44:51,555 --> 00:44:56,393
Rob Zombie or all the bands,
You know, like I said he ran away
Fan club Dead Boys. </ P>

905
00:44:56,393 --> 00:44:58,629
Anyone who sees
Dead Boys knows them,

906
00:44:58,629 --> 00:45:00,664
they use
an amazing show. </ P>

907
00:45:00,998 --> 00:45:03,300
[Cyndi Lauper] With Michael,
it's not like that

908
00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:06,170
Michael ever wanted it
to tell me

909
00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,605
You have to sound like this
or you have to be heard like that.

910
00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:13,210
Michael's one comment
always saying to me is

911
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:14,945
You have to speak
like yourself.

912
00:45:14,978 --> 00:45:16,380
It doesn't right
sounds like you,

913
00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:17,915
can anyone.

914
00:45:18,182 --> 00:45:21,518
And that sort of thing
resonates.

915
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:25,989
And it's difficult because
sometimes you want to rather
lose yourself and grow.

916
00:45:26,623 --> 00:45:32,362
But there's always
being the way you can
lose yourself and grow

917
00:45:32,362 --> 00:45:34,231
and still sound like you.

918
00:45:35,032 --> 00:45:37,000
And I think that
the trick, isn't it?

919
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:39,002
And that's why you
need people like Michael.

920
00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:41,872
So basically you run the whole
rock star life.

921
00:45:41,872 --> 00:45:45,976
Like you do a lot of things
you have to do it like <br heavy, heavy metal,

922
00:45:45,976 --> 00:45:47,911
RnB, it's running all over with you.

923
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:50,280
So it's like you wear
lots of hats for you
time in the industry music.

924
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,516
Yes I have done it.
Um, but that's fine.

925
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:56,053
I mean, this is a good time
and there are so many incredible
music out there,

926
00:45:56,086 --> 00:45:58,455
and I never want it
just categorized as this,

927
00:45:58,489 --> 00:46:00,657
oh he is the person you are going to
for heavy metals.

928
00:46:00,657 --> 00:46:01,725
But me.

929
00:46:01,725 --> 00:46:04,261
Um, but as I said
I only like music.

930
00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:07,297
So, I like the various ones
artists that work with me.

931
00:46:07,297 --> 00:46:09,933
Is that Johnny Rotten
from Public image Limited,

932
00:46:09,967 --> 00:46:12,770
or A & Ring for a
Tracey Chapman Album...

933
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:16,406
Now, talking about what best,
You know, legendary status
Nina Simone...

934
00:46:16,406 --> 00:46:19,042
[Michael] Oh Nina Simone.
She's like my idol.

935
00:46:19,076 --> 00:46:21,411
Uh, Nina Simone
is great in Michael's life. </ P>

936
00:46:21,411 --> 00:46:25,616
Um, he talked about it
all the time for me
and my mother. </ P>

937
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,251
Um, who is he

938
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:28,452
Take a photo with him,

939
00:46:28,485 --> 00:46:31,655
what he meant for him,
uh, yeah big.

940
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:38,028
He was certifiably crazy and
couldn't be arranged by anyone.

941
00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:40,631
He was brilliant.

942
00:46:40,631 --> 00:46:42,199
He's a genius.

943
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:47,371
He entered the top ten
important vocalists in
singer history.

944
00:46:47,371 --> 00:46:50,874
So when I get this wind,
that she has Nina.

945
00:46:50,874 --> 00:46:52,810
I, I can't even believe it.

946
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,378
[Cherry Vanilla] Nina Simone?

947
00:46:54,411 --> 00:46:58,816
It's like producing God,
You know, I mean.

948
00:46:58,849 --> 00:47:00,617
Nina, Michael is producing?

949
00:47:00,617 --> 00:47:03,887
As much as I think about Michael,
lots of things.

950
00:47:03,887 --> 00:47:08,225
You know, Michael first
Metallica and David Bowie,
and all that sort of thing

951
00:47:08,225 --> 00:47:09,793
but Nina Simone? </ P>

952
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:11,261
♪ Go to any place ♪ </ p >

953
00:47:11,328 --> 00:47:13,130
♪ To every belief ♪

954
00:47:13,197 --> 00:47:15,299
♪ To anyone ♪

955
00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:17,167
♪ For every belief ♪

956
00:47:17,768 --> 00:47:19,937
♪ For any hope ♪

957
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:23,173
♪ For... anything ♪

958
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,043
♪ I know how it feels ♪

959
00:47:26,076 --> 00:47:32,349
♪ To be free ♪

960
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:40,891
[loud applause]

961
00:47:47,264 --> 00:47:49,399
Yes.
Money. <br / > People like to make money

962
00:47:49,399 --> 00:47:52,502
and Michael has been
involved in many things
commercial things. </ P>

963
00:47:52,502 --> 00:47:54,738
But when he is

964
00:47:54,738 --> 00:47:57,941
really to Nina—
Nina Simone's work

965
00:47:57,941 --> 00:47:59,610
and working with
Nina Simone.

966
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,211
I-it's not about money.

967
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,981
It's about pure art,

968
00:48:03,981 --> 00:48:06,917
it's about loving art. </ P>

969
00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:10,721
And Michael likes
things he likes. </ P>

970
00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:14,825
[Dito Montiel]
There is a Nina Simone song
called "Everything Must Change"

971
00:48:14,825 --> 00:48:18,562
and inside it is- he is locked
in the live version.

972
00:48:18,562 --> 00:48:19,263
Ah!

973
00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,098
And he used to
show me that. </ p >

974
00:48:21,098 --> 00:48:23,834
He plays it, he will play it
snap repeatedly.

975
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:24,601
[Dito locked]

976
00:48:24,668 --> 00:48:27,971
And he really likes it and,
and, and it sounds crazy

977
00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:30,974
but as an artist,
you know, I will relate.

978
00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:33,176
Like, like that,
you hear that magic.

979
00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:36,546
Like whoa, like, like,
he will sign
Nina Simone

980
00:48:36,546 --> 00:48:38,081
if he does that.

981
00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:38,949
You know what I mean? </ p >

982
00:48:39,016 --> 00:48:41,985
Like oh, who cares
if he does a great version
from here comes the sun.

983
00:48:41,985 --> 00:48:43,287
Snap it, you know?

984
00:48:43,287 --> 00:48:47,357
Nina Simone < br /> by someone else's standards,

985
00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:51,328
or by many people
standard, it's finished.

986
00:48:51,328 --> 00:48:53,397
But Michael has another idea.

987
00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:57,067
Our journey has brought us
here to Hollywood, California.

988
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,403
Uh, specifically for
Franklin Avenue,

989
00:48:59,469 --> 00:49:01,605
where my friends
Nina Simone lived

990
00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:07,144
for years
in the 80s, 90s, uh,
until she graduated in 2003.

991
00:49:07,144 --> 00:49:10,847
I will come and visit it here
every time I come to California.

992
00:49:10,847 --> 00:49:14,418
And especially because we
will make notes.

993
00:49:14,618 --> 00:49:17,587
And there are two albums
that we referenced a lot. </ P>

994
00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:19,823
Billie Holiday & apos; s Lady in Satin,

995
00:49:19,823 --> 00:49:22,559
and uh, Frank Sinatra
A man himself.

996
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,797
He wants
to make this note about
love and loneliness and loss

997
00:49:26,797 --> 00:49:28,966
It's drama all the time.

998
00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:32,703
But I lit that fire < br /> with him because I only
love him very much.

999
00:49:32,736 --> 00:49:36,273
and I think, um,
we get along well
because he knows how much

1000
00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:38,442
I love him,
respect him,
and the music.

1001
00:49:38,475 --> 00:49:40,577
And we really made
a remarkable note.

1002
00:49:40,577 --> 00:49:43,947
Little did we know at that time
was making A Single Woman

1003
00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:46,950
that it will be the last for Nina
full-length recording.

1004
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:50,654
Uh, we managed
recordings around '93,

1005
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:53,223
and she
endorsed in 2003.

1006
00:49:53,223 --> 00:49:57,794
and, um, but
the wonderful thing about the music

1007
00:49:57,794 --> 00:49:59,830
is that it really lives.

1008
00:49:59,896 --> 00:50:02,232
because we have this
beautiful station today,

1009
00:50:02,299 --> 00:50:05,635
like Pandora, uh
and people like them,

1010
00:50:05,702 --> 00:50:07,871
and uh, I always
hear his voice.

1011
00:50:07,871 --> 00:50:10,607
So, the spirit is fair
always in the air

1012
00:50:10,607 --> 00:50:14,111
and I like that
and I feel it all the time,

1013
00:50:14,111 --> 00:50:16,580
and, uh, he will never leave me.

1014
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:18,548
I like that, huh.

1015
00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:34,598
>

1016
00:51:08,865 --> 00:51:11,034
♪♪

1017
00:51:11,468 --> 00:51:12,402
Oh this is broken.

1018
00:51:13,537 --> 00:51:16,206
Hmm

1019
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:18,375
Oh, this isn't visible,
this doesn't look broken. </ p >

1020
00:51:19,142 --> 00:51:20,243
Oh cool.

1021
00:51:20,877 --> 00:51:24,915
Good morning.

1022
00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:27,851
It's around 7am
and I'm on Bourbon Street
in New Orleans.

1023
00:51:27,884 --> 00:51:32,456
Look at the worst
drink and anesthetize.

1024
00:51:32,522 --> 00:51:34,925
Obviously you are at the bar
and you drink.

1025
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:37,127
You are hanging out
enough on these places,

1026
00:51:37,127 --> 00:51:38,895
you start
know the bartenders.

1027
00:51:38,895 --> 00:51:40,797
They give you free drinks.

1028
00:51:40,864 --> 00:51:44,835
You hang out with the band.

1029
00:51:44,868 --> 00:51:47,537
You know, and what
I mean by that
like, you know,

1030
00:51:47,571 --> 00:51:50,807
from, from musicians
to managers

1031
00:51:50,874 --> 00:51:54,344
to, crew road
to record company people.

1032
00:51:54,344 --> 00:51:57,280
You know, whoever
is involved and,

1033
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,784
and it's hidden
that, celebration

1034
00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:04,187
What is truly fair
the music industry itself.

1035
00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:06,890
Is the cause of
enough for a celebration.

1036
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:10,026
All people get
little rumors
that part of the program

1037
00:52:10,026 --> 00:52:11,595
at that age, so,

1038
00:52:11,661 --> 00:52:13,630
for that scene,
at that time,

1039
00:52:13,763 --> 00:52:15,031
it is
things that develop.

1040
00:52:15,065 --> 00:52:17,701
Everyone gets
a buzz to increase
whatever it is,

1041
00:52:17,734 --> 00:52:19,202
madness
is ongoing.

1042
00:52:19,202 --> 00:52:21,571
So, it's beautiful
widely accepted.

1043
00:52:21,571 --> 00:52:23,740
If it's true
Damage in our band.

1044
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:26,376
That damages
many of those bands
we see through time,

1045
00:52:26,376 --> 00:52:27,511
you know , like,
that kind of thing.

1046
00:52:27,511 --> 00:52:30,981
But um, that's only part of
from the program for sure.

1047
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:34,184
I know that there is
certain things when
I got into the band,

1048
00:52:34,184 --> 00:52:35,519
that I had to
hold mine

1049
00:52:35,552 --> 00:52:37,988
when I arrived at it
to be in the band.

1050
00:52:37,988 --> 00:52:41,191
Complete this, and we will see
if you can survive with us.

1051
00:52:41,191 --> 00:52:43,827
It's like this
the whole mentality and,

1052
00:52:44,194 --> 00:52:49,633
God, Michael must be, uh,
enough to drink for all of us,

1053
00:52:49,633 --> 00:52:52,169
uh, quite anesthetized
for all of us,

1054
00:52:52,202 --> 00:52:55,739
and all the other items
that are in line with that

1055
00:52:55,739 --> 00:53:00,343
I think we all
grew up like that.

1056
00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:05,515
We, this is like this
rebellious attitude,

1057
00:53:05,515 --> 00:53:08,018
it's dark,
the bad side.

1058
00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:10,020
[Kurdy Vanderhoof]
Cause when you're young
and you're in a rock band

1059
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:11,788
and you go on the street
for the first time

1060
00:53:11,788 --> 00:53:14,124
and you have read
Circus Magazine
and all yours

1061
00:53:14,124 --> 00:53:18,195
you know, all your heroes < br /> drug addicts and alcoholics

1062
00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:19,763
and you also want to do it.

1063
00:53:19,763 --> 00:53:20,897
I'll tell you this.

1064
00:53:20,897 --> 00:53:24,367
Throughout the 90's
was Pantera,

1065
00:53:24,401 --> 00:53:26,803
everything is about drinking. </ P>

1066
00:53:26,803 --> 00:53:28,071
Everything. </ P>

1067
00:53:28,104 --> 00:53:31,408
I'm doing cocaine,
I'm doing ecstasy,

1068
00:53:31,474 --> 00:53:34,377
Um, then,
it's just bad. </ P>

1069
00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:36,613
I remember we ran out of
cocaine one night,

1070
00:53:36,613 --> 00:53:38,848
and it was like 2 o'clock,
At 3 am,

1071
00:53:38,848 --> 00:53:42,819
and we will shoot
Harlem on 150 Street

1072
00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:46,089
and like, choose
like crazy maniacs

1073
00:53:46,089 --> 00:53:49,226
and take 8 balls
at 4 am

1074
00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:53,296
and until 12 o'clock, 1pm,
or the following night.

1075
00:53:53,296 --> 00:53:56,967
As we
are fully mental.

1076
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,203
I got a story - I drive
in New York City one night.

1077
00:54:00,203 --> 00:54:01,404
No, at that time
day, exactly.

1078
00:54:01,404 --> 00:54:03,773
I was driving, and he was there
walking down the road.

1079
00:54:03,773 --> 00:54:05,075
I shouted,
"Michael, Michael!"

1080
00:54:05,108 --> 00:54:07,010
and he just walked.

1081
00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:09,246
And he turned
and he looked around.

1082
00:54:09,279 --> 00:54:11,881
"Fuck with you! "
He started swearing.

1083
00:54:11,881 --> 00:54:14,251
I was like wow,
he was betrayed.

1084
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:16,419
I like," Michael! "
" Fuck you ! "

1085
00:54:16,419 --> 00:54:20,257
He's all messed up
walking down the street
I'm like a holy.

1086
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:22,425
Like he's gone.

1087
00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:23,660
Don't know who I am.

1088
00:54:23,827 --> 00:54:25,195
Beer isn't enough.

1089
00:54:25,195 --> 00:54:26,930
Vodka isn't enough.

1090
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:28,865
Jägermeister is not enough.

1091
00:54:28,865 --> 00:54:30,834
The blackout not enough.

1092
00:54:30,867 --> 00:54:35,338
Why do I have a receipt
to deduct $ 1000 from
City Bank in my pocket?

1093
00:54:35,338 --> 00:54:37,707
I started then
did cocaine.

1094
00:54:37,707 --> 00:54:40,944
He is one of those people
and we all know them.

1095
00:54:40,944 --> 00:54:43,013
We will go
like, you know, </ p >

1096
00:54:43,013 --> 00:54:45,815
if you understand that
that phone call,
the person dies

1097
00:54:45,815 --> 00:54:47,584
you won't be surprised.

1098
00:54:47,584 --> 00:54:48,852
And I hate to say that.

1099
00:54:48,852 --> 00:54:49,819
And I hate to say that.

1100
00:54:49,819 --> 00:54:52,088
p>

1101
00:54:52,088 --> 00:54:54,124
That's a terrible thing to say.

1102
00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:57,527
there is such a thing
a chaotic state without
something bad happens?

1103
00:54:57,594 --> 00:54:59,829
I remember being down here,
going to the cracking nest

1104
00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:02,132
and don't even know
how I got there.

1105
00:55:02,165 --> 00:55:05,802
The last thing I remember
is that I'm in New York City.

1106
00:55:05,802 --> 00:55:07,971
Oof, scary shit.

1107
00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:10,507
p>

1108
00:55:10,507 --> 00:55:12,542
They drop everyone.

1109
00:55:12,542 --> 00:55:15,345
You don't know about that
until you

1110
00:55:15,345 --> 00:55:16,713
have it in your life and
actually see it happen <br / > for someone.

1111
00:55:16,713 --> 00:55:19,282
You don't understand it.

1112
00:55:19,282 --> 00:55:20,550
You know they say it
damn disease,

1113
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:22,152
you don't believe them.

1114
00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:23,453
Ah yes you can stop,
you can stop.

1115
00:55:23,453 --> 00:55:26,323
I can stop.

1116
00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:28,224
Some people can't, you know,
and it's like a damn, uh

1117
00:55:28,258 --> 00:55:29,926
I don't have it.
Do you know?

1118
00:55:29,993 --> 00:55:31,227
But some people do it.

1119
00:55:31,261 --> 00:55:33,563
They try drugs,
they are crazy, that's all. </ p >

1120
00:55:33,563 --> 00:55:35,098
You know you're usually walking
playing with someone they like

1121
00:55:35,098 --> 00:55:37,267
"Oh, I was really hammered
in the bar one night

1122
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,236
and I remember I threw up
and they put me in a taxi
and they sent me home. "</ P>

1123
00:55:40,236 --> 00:55:42,172
you know like,
" Wow, I'm crazy. "</ P>

1124
00:55:42,172 --> 00:55:45,308
Michael's story involves,
you know,

1125
00:55:45,308 --> 00:55:48,545
madness that happened later
because unlike last night

1126
00:55:48,545 --> 00:55:49,913
but like, three weeks.

1127
00:55:49,913 --> 00:55:51,514
As we wrote,
and we do this,

1128
00:55:51,548 --> 00:55:52,982
and we stay up all night.

1129
00:55:52,982 --> 00:55:56,453
And of course
the character he
lists in his story,

1130
00:55:56,453 --> 00:55:57,387
At some point, you are like

1131
00:55:57,387 --> 00:56:00,290
how can this person
live and breathe
at this point in time?

1132
00:56:00,290 --> 00:56:01,424
And he is. </ p >

1133
00:56:01,591 --> 00:56:02,959
Michael Alago
doesn't care.

1134
00:56:02,959 --> 00:56:05,028
I see it many times
I mean,

1135
00:56:05,028 --> 00:56:07,931
I remember when I was
drunk and like

1136
00:56:07,931 --> 00:56:11,167
must transport Michael
from likes, potential
fighting with big people.

1137
00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:14,537
He is like,
You know, ready to go,

1138
00:56:14,537 --> 00:56:16,306
You know,
ready to fight.

1139
00:56:16,306 --> 00:56:18,975
So we left that kind of
in the middle of
Weapons and Roses,

1140
00:56:18,975 --> 00:56:21,044
and we're walking
a parking lot and uh,

1141
00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:24,381
there is a child like that
looks like a youngster
James Hetfield and uh,

1142
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,416
just looks like
gets into trouble,

1143
00:56:26,416 --> 00:56:28,184
and Alago goes,
"Oh, what do you know?

1144
00:56:28,218 --> 00:56:30,653
Do you want to pass us
because we will leave? "

1145
00:56:30,653 --> 00:56:33,289
We laugh, we have fun,
we have to go.

1146
00:56:33,289 --> 00:56:35,325
Just be Alago
and be generous.

1147
00:56:35,325 --> 00:56:37,927
Yes , they are rather
like, say no,

1148
00:56:37,961 --> 00:56:41,097
and we, he is like,
whatever, you know,

1149
00:56:41,097 --> 00:56:43,032
and we keep going <br / > and suddenly,

1150
00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:45,068
that looks
like James Hetfield

1151
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:46,636
running from behind,

1152
00:56:46,669 --> 00:56:50,340
and kicking Michael
in the ass like he
ran to kick the ball.

1153
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,209
And I was like
"Oh my God."
And then, uh,

1154
00:56:53,209 --> 00:56:54,778
was on, <br It's like this big fight.

1155
00:56:54,778 --> 00:56:57,881
And I'm a girl,
like I came out,
I like to step back from this,

1156
00:56:57,881 --> 00:57:01,084
and uh, the next thing < br /> you know I'm not kidding
it's like a cartoon.

1157
00:57:01,084 --> 00:57:03,553
You only see a fur ball
fly in the air.

1158
00:57:03,553 --> 00:57:07,824
Suddenly
a large feather ball has just gone
flying across the parking lot.

1159
00:57:07,824 --> 00:57:10,493
Bam.
Michael is on the boy.

1160
00:57:10,493 --> 00:57:13,663
He makes it slam
against the bumper of the car.

1161
00:57:13,663 --> 00:57:16,199
He has one hand
grabs hair children.

1162
00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:18,034
One hand grabs the nuts,

1163
00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:21,538
and he is like,
"I eat children like you
for breakfast." </ p >

1164
00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:24,707
I will never
forget that in my life.

1165
00:57:24,707 --> 00:57:28,611
Don't make love to Michael Alago.

1166
00:57:28,611 --> 00:57:32,782
It could be a subtext of
, documentary.

1167
00:57:32,782 --> 00:57:36,686
Cause if you are a jerk
he will put you in a deep examination.

1168
00:57:36,686 --> 00:57:39,622
I thought I told you
when I was angry at the police leg?

1169
00:57:39,622 --> 00:57:43,726
You know, uh, I think
it's like
part of the worst 5 years

1170
00:57:43,726 --> 00:57:46,262
and the last 5 years I
drink and anesthetize.

1171
00:57:46,329 --> 00:57:48,998
I think uh,
I also remember,

1172
00:57:48,998 --> 00:57:54,103
waking up
St. Vincent with, uh,
IV comes out of my arms. </ P>

1173
00:57:54,337 --> 00:57:57,440
There are some things that happen
with his lifestyle

1174
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,441
and drugs,

1175
00:57:58,441 --> 00:58:01,778
and it's like,
You know, many people

1176
00:58:01,778 --> 00:58:04,514
who are doing
those things at that time
don't leave it.

1177
00:58:04,514 --> 00:58:06,916
[Debbie Southwood Smith]
I remember that time
living in Brooklyn

1178
00:58:06,916 --> 00:58:09,185
in um, Carol Gordon.

1179
00:58:09,185 --> 00:58:11,888
You would only see these people

1180
00:58:11,888 --> 00:58:16,292
withers and walks with a stick
and is covered in wounds

1181
00:58:16,292 --> 00:58:18,995
and you know
they will die.

1182
00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:21,164
And you see that 
all of New York.

1183
00:58:21,197 --> 00:58:23,700
And you know they
will die.

1184
00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:26,503
People infected with HIV
will die.

1185
00:58:26,503 --> 00:58:29,005
That's 80's and
that's how it is.

1186
00:58:29,272 --> 00:58:33,409
And I started to hear the story of
about Michael being seriously ill.

1187
00:58:33,409 --> 00:58:35,812
So I went to see Michael one,
one day and,

1188
00:58:35,812 --> 00:58:39,182
and I see it
and he's very thin,
you know, like,

1189
00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:41,985
like very small,
do you know?

1190
00:58:41,985 --> 00:58:45,421
And I just see it
and he just goes, "Yes."
You know...

1191
00:58:45,822 --> 00:58:49,025
You know all the images
of my friends

1192
00:58:49,025 --> 00:58:51,661
ill , who is missing,

1193
00:58:51,661 --> 00:58:54,163
suddenly seems like it appears
into my head when,

1194
00:58:54,163 --> 00:58:57,200
when Michael tells me
that he, he is HIV positive.

1195
00:58:57,233 --> 00:59:00,503
And I, I remember
the first thing I did

1196
00:59:00,503 --> 00:59:05,408
which I am, me, you know,
which is my habit,

1197
00:59:05,408 --> 00:59:10,346
You know, just to hug, hug,
you know my friends and 
/> similar like

1198
00:59:10,346 --> 00:59:13,616
let them know that, you know,
I'm there for them.

1199
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:20,156
Um, so that's very, yes, very,
very, very, very difficult to handle
with, uh,

1200
00:59:20,156 --> 00:59:23,593
You know, the cause at that time
everyone died of AIDS.

1201
00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:25,795
How did he go < br /> to survive, you know?

1202
00:59:25,828 --> 00:59:26,763
He is my brother,

1203
00:59:26,796 --> 00:59:28,097
you know, I love him.

1204
00:59:28,097 --> 00:59:34,971
Um, yes that is, uh, 
> it's hard.
That's difficult.

1205
00:59:34,971 --> 00:59:41,044
They don't have cocktails,
uh, smooth as they do now.

1206
00:59:41,044 --> 00:59:43,379
I think there is
things he didn't take because he didn't
like the
reaction that he had them.

1207
00:59:43,379 --> 00:59:47,383
karena dia tidak
seperti reaksi
bahwa dia memiliki mereka.

1208
00:59:47,383 --> 00:59:48,818
Michael faded away.

1209
00:59:48,851 --> 00:59:51,220
And I don't think
he will succeed.

1210
00:59:51,254 --> 00:59:55,925
And I can't imagine
the world without him in it. </ p >

1211
00:59:55,959 --> 01:00:01,264
There was a time when
it seemed like he was getting
near the end,

1212
01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:03,132
and it was a very gloomy day.

1213
01:00:03,132 --> 01:00:08,938
Go to meet him and um, 
You know, he can barely move. </ P>

1214
01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:12,075
And what was made
it was really terrible
was the cat

1215
01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:14,944
really hurt too,
So the cat
is kind of dirty,

1216
01:00:14,978 --> 01:00:17,280
and loitering
really comes out of it too.

1217
01:00:17,313 --> 01:00:18,381
And he comes out of there.

1218
01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:20,883
>

1219
01:00:21,117 --> 01:00:25,355
And it's very sad.

1220
01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:29,692
That's not even once,
it's two or
three times,

1221
01:00:29,692 --> 01:00:31,527
that he suddenly <br / > unite again.

1222
01:00:31,527 --> 01:00:33,496
The next day
Michael is back.
General meeting.

1223
01:00:33,496 --> 01:00:36,432
Michael's — no he
okay, he's fine.

1224
01:00:36,432 --> 01:00:37,767
Fine. </ P>

1225
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,604
A year later
or something I heard

1226
01:00:41,604 --> 01:00:44,974
Michael had pneumonia,
or he was very sick, bah, bah.

1227
01:00:44,974 --> 01:00:47,677
So we stayed - I called
him during those days,

1228
01:00:47,744 --> 01:00:52,081
I remember eating
an intense conversation
over the phone with him.

1229
01:00:52,081 --> 01:00:57,153
And he is very brave
and really hope,

1230
01:00:57,153 --> 01:01:00,156
even though I have
admit there is a time
when I call him

1231
01:01:00,156 --> 01:01:03,359
and he will only say,
"I can't talk now."

1232
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:04,794
"I'm very sick."

1233
01:01:04,794 --> 01:01:06,429
"I can't talk now."

1234
01:01:06,629 --> 01:01:08,297
Then...

1235
01:01:09,298 --> 01:01:12,201
I don't know,
it must be
within a few months of this period,

1236
01:01:12,201 --> 01:01:15,772
they came with these pills,
this cocktail.

1237
01:01:15,772 --> 01:01:19,542
And at first he
kind of stabilized

1238
01:01:19,542 --> 01:01:22,612
then he started <br / > be healthy again.

1239
01:01:23,112 --> 01:01:27,116
Michael is fine and
started this new career

1240
01:01:27,116 --> 01:01:29,519
as a photographer
and great.

1241
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,188
And um...

1242
01:01:32,188 --> 01:01:34,490
years later
she is still fine

1243
01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:37,160
and it's one of them
the miracle of that period

1244
01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:39,595
where we lost a lot of friends.

1245
01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:41,531
And where we thought
we lost him.

1246
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:45,334
He was at the end of the lucky one
from, a, one generation.

1247
01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:50,673
Because only a few
years, say like...

1248
01:01:50,673 --> 01:01:52,075
he was very lucky.

1249
01:01:52,075 --> 01:01:54,944
Thank God he took
a chance to be clean,

1250
01:01:54,944 --> 01:01:57,447
because God knows what,
where he will be.

1251
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,150
When he finally said that to me
like he went to a meeting

1252
01:02:01,150 --> 01:02:05,822
and he got- I was like
thank God for what you know?

1253
01:02:05,822 --> 01:02:07,757
You need
Get yourself on track. </ P>

1254
01:02:07,757 --> 01:02:11,494
I like to see it as
there's the bottom you hit. </ P>

1255
01:02:11,561 --> 01:02:12,862
There is a prize. </ P>

1256
01:02:12,929 --> 01:02:16,199
You also scratch
past it briefly,

1257
01:02:16,232 --> 01:02:22,605
uh, um, you get help
you need, somehow.

1258
01:02:22,605 --> 01:02:27,577
Or you, you are aware I can't,
I can't live like this anymore.

1259
01:02:27,577 --> 01:02:30,913
I need, if I need to,

1260
01:02:30,913 --> 01:02:32,815
if I want to live,
I have to change.

1261
01:02:32,815 --> 01:02:36,953
Yes back that day,
drinking and anesthetizing,
you know, one, myself.

1262
01:02:36,953 --> 01:02:42,258
You have all kinds of likes,
You know, hatred and other things
and it's like,

1263
01:02:42,258 --> 01:02:47,630
oooh, praise God
in my calm, I am an adult.

1264
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:51,100
Uh, and in its infancy
you just let everything work.

1265
01:02:51,134 --> 01:02:56,439
Because all of that
stuff is a thing of the past.

1266
01:02:56,472 --> 01:02:57,974
And what do you know?

1267
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,942
I don't want to live
with all that.

1268
01:02:59,976 --> 01:03:03,045
Because it is past and,

1269
01:03:03,045 --> 01:03:06,149
you grow
and you learn
and um,

1270
01:03:06,149 --> 01:03:09,485
you learn to love
and you learn < br /> not to live in fear

1271
01:03:09,485 --> 01:03:14,157
and, uh when you do that,
you know, life only becomes
very beautiful.

1272
01:03:14,157 --> 01:03:17,160
[Mina Caputo ]
Creation, Destruction.
Creation, Destruction.

1273
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,062
You must destroy
yourself to create yourself.

1274
01:03:20,062 --> 01:03:21,597
That's the name of the game.

1275
01:03:21,597 --> 01:03:23,299
It's alive, huh?

1276
01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:26,002
To feel excitement
you have to suffer.

1277
01:03:26,002 --> 01:03:30,239
Here, this is the paradox that
brings us to the full circle

1278
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,742
what is Michael Alago.

1279
01:03:32,742 --> 01:03:39,615
The paradox of
business, gay scene,
photography scene,

1280
01:03:39,615 --> 01:03:43,252
poet scene,
you know everything.

1281
01:03:43,252 --> 01:03:46,255
You know he's past
a lot with that whole
world of music business.

1282
01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:48,791
I remember Michael
telling me he didn't
want to do it again,

1283
01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:49,892
and he just left
to take pictures.

1284
01:03:49,892 --> 01:03:52,695
I just want to like
meet boys on the street
and take photos of them.

1285
01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:55,598
And I turn here
is this person and he's like,

1286
01:03:55,598 --> 01:03:57,767
"Hi, my name is Michael Alago
and I'm a photographer. "

1287
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,468
And only ba-da-ba-da-ba.

1288
01:03:59,468 --> 01:04:02,505
Just so you know,
really only and
sure of himself and...

1289
01:04:02,505 --> 01:04:04,140
"Can I take your photo?"

1290
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:06,475
And I go,
"Do you want to take my picture?" </ P>

1291
01:04:06,475 --> 01:04:07,577
And he said, "Yes." </ P>

1292
01:04:07,577 --> 01:04:09,178
And I went, "Okay." </ P>

1293
01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:11,514
And he said, "Can you
make muscle? "

1294
01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:14,016
And I go," Are you sure?
Make muscle? "

1295
01:04:14,016 --> 01:04:15,985
I don't know anything
about this person.

1296
01:04:15,985 --> 01:04:19,822
I like to see it like that
there is a photographer's eye
there.

1297
01:04:19,822 --> 01:04:22,558
And I don't know what
this number is.

1298
01:04:22,558 --> 01:04:27,864
Uh , I suspect it's a little
Mapplethorpe induced.

1299
01:04:30,132 --> 01:04:32,001
Which isn't a
bad thing too.

1300
01:04:32,068 --> 01:04:34,003
[Debbie Southwood Smith]
Dia tahu Robert Mapplethorpe.

1301
01:04:35,137 --> 01:04:37,907
He must be influential
on what Michael did.

1302
01:04:37,907 --> 01:04:39,375
There is no doubt about that.

1303
01:04:39,375 --> 01:04:41,777
But Michael even before that.

1304
01:04:41,777 --> 01:04:44,347
Even before he became
a photographer.

1305
01:04:44,347 --> 01:04:45,915
When he was
an A & R,

1306
01:04:45,915 --> 01:04:47,783
Michael always
had a camera.

1307
01:04:47,783 --> 01:04:51,020
And that's why you
got a shot
young Michael with Bono. </ P>

1308
01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:54,090
You got a shot
from young Michael with
Johnny Lydon. </ P>

1309
01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:59,395
I went to Mapplethorpe
exhibition in New York, some
uh, some time ago and uh,

1310
01:04:59,395 --> 01:05:03,799
And uh... I - very excited
things- crotch things, you know?

1311
01:05:03,799 --> 01:05:07,637
But I like it because
it really threatens.

1312
01:05:07,637 --> 01:05:12,041
You know that
on your face, you could say that.

1313
01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:17,179
But you have to be
breaking down and uh,
art is about surprises.

1314
01:05:17,213 --> 01:05:20,216
And, and and uh,
and attack the taboo.

1315
01:05:20,850 --> 01:05:22,084
For me.

1316
01:05:23,286 --> 01:05:27,290
And I have no doubt
Michael will break up
more of several taboos.

1317
01:05:27,290 --> 01:05:29,158
Children are well done.

1318
01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:35,598
♪ ♪

1319
01:05:52,648 --> 01:05:55,451
I like having people
close their eyes in pictures

1320
01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:59,522
because what happened is
someone like this who you are
not thinking of being approached

1321
01:05:59,522 --> 01:06:01,924
suddenly in
my inner eyes

1322
01:06:01,924 --> 01:06:04,894
He becomes vulnerable ,
because he dreamed.

1323
01:06:04,894 --> 01:06:08,531
I just like that
little vulnerability.

1324
01:06:08,531 --> 01:06:10,066
So there.

1325
01:06:18,107 --> 01:06:19,608
And of course <br / > which guides us

1326
01:06:19,642 --> 01:06:21,677
are you currently
working, that is,

1327
01:06:21,777 --> 01:06:23,379
- Which is photography.
- Yes

1328
01:06:23,412 --> 01:06:27,817
And that , that,
that is especially—
you must have -

1329
01:06:27,850 --> 01:06:29,618
you have very
clear inspiration.

1330
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:33,556
It's no secret that Michael
loves his muscle men.

1331
01:06:33,556 --> 01:06:35,825
So that's
the first subject.

1332
01:06:35,825 --> 01:06:37,727
Like, write what you know,
do what you know.

1333
01:06:37,727 --> 01:06:42,431
So Michael is right for that
and that's right.

1334
01:06:42,431 --> 01:06:44,200
If I tell people

1335
01:06:44,233 --> 01:06:47,203
what is Michael Alago < br /> do as a photographer

1336
01:06:47,203 --> 01:06:51,474
I have to say
he is photographing a man.

1337
01:06:52,241 --> 01:06:53,809
A strong man.

1338
01:06:53,809 --> 01:06:54,710
Great guy.

1339
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,078
Muscle men.

1340
01:06:56,078 --> 01:06:59,482
Of the types that can be
a little intimidating.

1341
01:06:59,482 --> 01:07:02,218
That always seems to be

1342
01:07:02,251 --> 01:07:05,654
really ready to give <br / > something for Michael,

1343
01:07:05,721 --> 01:07:08,057
who seems to respond to

1344
01:07:08,057 --> 01:07:10,960
to his camera and become
rather open to him.

1345
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,929
Michael has some sort of tender
taking they I think.

1346
01:07:13,929 --> 01:07:16,866
And that's what makes it
unique type of work.

1347
01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:23,672
I think he's good
documenting a tribe
tattooed, muscular, tough guy.

1348
01:07:23,672 --> 01:07:27,009
Sexuality who is
very much ahead.

1349
01:07:27,009 --> 01:07:29,979
But it is also not definitively defined.

1350
01:07:29,979 --> 01:07:34,483
Except in Michael
take that obsessive.

1351
01:07:34,517 --> 01:07:35,351
[Kurdy Vanderhoof]
it's perfect.

1352
01:07:35,384 --> 01:07:37,353
When he started telling me
he did that, it was like,

1353
01:07:37,386 --> 01:07:39,522
I didn't, it never <br I thought of
that he had to do that.

1354
01:07:39,522 --> 01:07:42,458
But when he started
describing what he was doing
and telling me, it was like,

1355
01:07:42,825 --> 01:07:45,127
well, that's perfect.

1356
01:07:45,194 --> 01:07:47,329
That's really what you
have to do now.

1357
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:50,166
And that's just,
and he's good at that and
he is excited about that.

1358
01:07:50,166 --> 01:07:53,969
There's another side
to the art from where he
comes from it.

1359
01:07:53,969 --> 01:07:57,139
You know and it's like
that, just made
makes sense for me.

1360
01:07:57,139 --> 01:07:58,274
And that's good.

1361
01:07:58,274 --> 01:08:00,810
I mean, I see photos of it
every day.

1362
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:03,145
They are there like you 
come to my apartment.

1363
01:08:03,145 --> 01:08:06,015
And they're there
and every day you
can see them.

1364
01:08:06,015 --> 01:08:07,583
and they,
they are outside normal.

1365
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:10,486
The back of the male head
with chains and goods.

1366
01:08:10,486 --> 01:08:11,454
Damn incredible.

1367
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:14,623
[Vince Aletti]
He did something historic
in several ways. </ P>

1368
01:08:14,657 --> 01:08:19,295
He documented
the type of man
he felt interesting. </ P>

1369
01:08:19,361 --> 01:08:22,098
many others
people find interesting

1370
01:08:22,131 --> 01:08:24,433
that is now,
and no,

1371
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:30,506
not about 20 years ago,
and maybe not exactly the same
20 years from now.

1372
01:08:30,506 --> 01:08:38,180
So that's the same way
I think of Robert Mapplethorpe 
early photos, black man.

1373
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:43,052
Um, which is not enough to look like
today.

1374
01:08:43,052 --> 01:08:46,222
That he documents
a certain period of people.

1375
01:08:46,222 --> 01:08:51,727
From, and I think a lot of
photographers are becoming very
intensely into their time.

1376
01:08:51,727 --> 01:08:53,996
Even back again
until August Sander.

1377
01:08:53,996 --> 01:08:59,034
You are viewing,
on a
document at a specific time and place.

1378
01:08:59,034 --> 01:09:00,669
[Cherry Vanilla] You know,
to see him now,

1379
01:09:00,669 --> 01:09:03,105
Very beautiful, very healthy,

1380
01:09:03,105 --> 01:09:07,676
is very strong and has this
career that she likes.

1381
01:09:07,676 --> 01:09:10,179
Really different
from the career he has.

1382
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,884
It's not good to say okay,
be-because we thought
he would die

1383
01:09:14,917 --> 01:09:16,485
that made us love him
even more.

1384
01:09:16,519 --> 01:09:21,924
But that happened,
it did something
for all of us. </ P>

1385
01:09:21,957 --> 01:09:27,463
That made our relationship,
our love for Michael
is much more intimate.

1386
01:09:27,463 --> 01:09:31,066
We all want to be fair
hug him all the time because

1387
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:35,704
it's nice to have someone
still with you who you think
you definitely lose.

1388
01:09:35,704 --> 01:09:40,109
He's one of them
survived my crowd,
my time.

1389
01:09:40,142 --> 01:09:42,578
So I can't help but just

1390
01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:47,049
feel like, <br / > "Yes!
You and I love,

1391
01:09:47,049 --> 01:09:49,118
we are still here, we succeed."
Do you know? "</ P>

1392
01:09:49,118 --> 01:09:52,454
As far as I know 
music is what makes me young.

1393
01:09:52,454 --> 01:09:55,624
That, that, that, that's what makes
my soul alive.

1394
01:09:55,624 --> 01:09:59,195
And I think like having
hanging out with Michael on the show

1395
01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:02,298
is the same as him,
like that makes you stay young.

1396
01:10:02,298 --> 01:10:08,671
And he still has the same
passion he has, you know
40 years ago.

1397
01:10:08,671 --> 01:10:11,473
Even though Michael
is not a musician,

1398
01:10:11,473 --> 01:10:15,411
he's an artist in his own sense
and he never loses that passion.

1399
01:10:15,411 --> 01:10:16,946
You don't overcome that.

1400
01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:19,415
I mean that something
that you will, will -

1401
01:10:20,583 --> 01:10:22,985
I-I burn me.

1402
01:10:22,985 --> 01:10:24,220
This fills my life.

1403
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:27,156
And there's no doubt
that it burns the life of Michaels. </ P>

1404
01:10:27,156 --> 01:10:31,961
[Phil Anselmo] Mike Alago
and I see eye to eye because of our
, we come down to earth.

1405
01:10:31,961 --> 01:10:34,396
He is a man down to earth.

1406
01:10:34,396 --> 01:10:36,665
I think that's what I have
struggling with the most

1407
01:10:36,665 --> 01:10:41,704
is fame and
popularity and how do
others see you

1408
01:10:41,704 --> 01:10:46,709
because this is untouchable
the damn rock star thing.

1409
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:49,144
It's annoying.
That's nonsense.

1410
01:10:49,144 --> 01:10:52,181
I'm the same as everyone else,

1411
01:10:52,181 --> 01:10:54,283
damn damn music.

1412
01:10:54,283 --> 01:10:55,618
Music fans.

1413
01:10:55,618 --> 01:10:58,887
A music nerdy, if you want.

1414
01:10:58,921 --> 01:11:00,489
That's what I saw in Mike.

1415
01:11:00,522 --> 01:11:02,258
[Doyle Wolfgang von
Frankenstein] I always hope
Michael is the best, friend. </ P>

1416
01:11:02,291 --> 01:11:04,660
I might do it
Kill someone for him. </ P>

1417
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:06,128
I think he is, he's great. </ P>

1418
01:11:06,128 --> 01:11:08,731
He's a kind person.
He really is. </ P>

1419
01:11:08,731 --> 01:11:11,233
I just hope that
he keeps going

1420
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:14,236
as long as,
as we do.

1421
01:11:14,236 --> 01:11:17,206
And I hope we
can all hang out

1422
01:11:17,206 --> 01:11:21,043
in the dressing room,
in the sky together someday.

1423
01:11:21,076 --> 01:11:23,512
Just like looking back < > all that happens,

1424
01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:25,014
"We do good."

1425
01:11:25,014 --> 01:11:28,350
We do good for ourselves.
We do good for

1426
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:30,286
people who exist
around us at that time.

1427
01:11:30,286 --> 01:11:32,688
And we do it well
for, for music.

1428
01:11:35,924 --> 01:11:39,228
Hopefully good people win

1429
01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:40,362
Do you know?

1430
01:11:41,997 --> 01:11:43,832
Because he will be
there with that.

1431
01:11:43,832 --> 01:11:49,138
And it doesn't need
of course it's very big <br / > public appreciation.

1432
01:11:49,138 --> 01:11:51,073
That's what you know
You have done your best

1433
01:11:51,106 --> 01:11:54,209
and you have not done anything
to harm or destroy
humans else.

1434
01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:55,644
Fantastic.

1435
01:11:55,878 --> 01:11:59,548
Right.
He stands very stiff at, in

1436
01:11:59,548 --> 01:12:03,252
I am very small.
collection
very important person

1437
01:12:03,252 --> 01:12:04,653
does not lie

1438
01:12:04,653 --> 01:12:08,157
I talked to him and I have
this flashback

1439
01:12:08,157 --> 01:12:10,693
[Daniel Rey]
Seeing Patti Smith on CBGB & apos; s.

1440
01:12:10,693 --> 01:12:12,661
I think it's & apos; 76, or & apos; 77. </ P>

1441
01:12:12,661 --> 01:12:15,731
And this is when you or -
you order a
table on CBGB & apos; s. </ P>

1442
01:12:15,731 --> 01:12:18,901
Now when I got there
at dusk
to get a good seat,

1443
01:12:18,934 --> 01:12:21,070
and there were around
ten people already in line. </ P>

1444
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:22,638
I look up
the front line,

1445
01:12:22,671 --> 01:12:24,073
and you always wonder
at the rock concert

1446
01:12:24,106 --> 01:12:26,075
who is ahead
from the line?

1447
01:12:27,276 --> 01:12:30,145
And this is very small
Spanish child in front of the line.

1448
01:12:32,214 --> 01:12:35,284
Feminine guy and I just
remember seeing him say

1449
01:12:35,284 --> 01:12:38,320
he must be real
a rock and roll fan.

1450
01:12:52,668 --> 01:12:56,572
Don't ask how Ted Nugent
is here because I don't know.

1451
01:12:56,638 --> 01:12:59,141
I definitely like it 
back that day.

1452
01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:08,150
So if you are in New York City
and you go to 2nd Street
and Bowery,

1453
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:11,720
you can see the sign
on the pole that says
Joey Ramone Place

1454
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,155
and that
because we're great

1455
01:13:13,155 --> 01:13:16,792
Arturo Vega, uh, he understands
the way named Joey,

1456
01:13:16,792 --> 01:13:19,094
and uh, that's right
cool.

1457
01:13:27,803 --> 01:13:31,440
In, like sorry
the point of view he just said,

1458
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,375
" This is the way I think,
make love to you. </ P>

1459
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:35,477
And you have
a problem with this? </ P>

1460
01:13:35,477 --> 01:13:36,612
Isn't this great? </ P>

1461
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:37,980
Look This damn man.

1462
01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:42,151
He has ***
ten feet long and
how amazing is that? "

1463
01:13:42,151 --> 01:13:45,454
It's like, yes it is,
it's a big penis
OK, you know?

1464
01:13:45,454 --> 01:13:47,923
Whatever,
whatever it is
the picture is possible. </ p >

1465
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,131
Here we are
Hollywood Boulevard
and Walk of Fame

1466
01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,300
with all the great stars.

1467
01:14:31,333 --> 01:14:34,036
We are not exactly
in the middle -that's all

1468
01:14:34,036 --> 01:14:37,639
but you know I guess if
you get a star on
Hollywood Boulevard

1469
01:14:37,639 --> 01:14:39,708
it will really,
really- really cool.

1470
01:14:39,708 --> 01:14:45,447
So I'm thinking
because this star is empty.

1471
01:14:45,447 --> 01:14:48,083
This is my star
on Hollywood Boulevard.

1472
01:14:48,083 --> 01:14:51,086
It's not exactly
main real estate,
but what do you know?

1473
01:14:51,086 --> 01:14:52,521
I'll take it!

1474
01:14:52,654 --> 01:14:55,657
Yes and you can,
see, you can < right next to

1475
01:14:55,657 --> 01:14:58,694
That will be
Osmond's family.

1476
01:14:59,061 --> 01:15:01,396
And Michael Alago.
I like it.

1477
01:15:01,396 --> 01:15:03,532
Hollywood here I come.

1478
01:15:18,046 --> 01:15:21,216
Oh I remember one show
that was good in CB,

1479
01:15:21,216 --> 01:15:24,186
uh, this UK band
was called Chelsea.

1480
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:26,655
And they have singer
named Gene October,

1481
01:15:26,655 --> 01:15:29,091
and I think I'm a
a little more than drunk,

1482
01:15:29,091 --> 01:15:30,993
But right after that
they do their set

1483
01:15:31,026 --> 01:15:32,995
I just caught it and brought it
home for the night.

1484
01:15:47,109 --> 01:15:49,578
At The Ritz many people
did a punch. </ p >

1485
01:15:49,578 --> 01:15:53,081
Like, so I'll go
to Michaels's
office and there are only people,

1486
01:15:53,081 --> 01:15:55,817
so you know, sometimes
there will be someone < br /> like here, yes,

1487
01:15:55,817 --> 01:15:58,487
I won't, I won't like,
"Oh can I just
have some of your punches? "

1488
01:15:58,487 --> 01:16:00,789
but most people will
offer it to you,

1489
01:16:00,789 --> 01:16:02,991
and then the next thing
you know you...

1490
01:16:02,991 --> 01:16:06,728
You're tall on a coke that's not what
really wants to be, you know?

1491
01:16:23,478 --> 01:16:27,749
I go to this party
that night, there.

1492
01:16:27,749 --> 01:16:30,085
The band there
is not visible.

1493
01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:32,888
You know everyone
yells, "Shout! "

1494
01:16:32,955 --> 01:16:35,290
Song,
" Shake it out
with your cock coming out! "

1495
01:16:35,324 --> 01:16:37,593
[singing] Don't you know
it will be a hit?

1496
01:16:37,626 --> 01:16:40,629
The reason everyone
always sings it.

1497
01:16:40,629 --> 01:16:42,698
Everyone
shouts and shouts,

1498
01:16:42,698 --> 01:16:45,233
they are singing rock
with your cock coming out !

1499
01:16:53,909 --> 01:16:56,678
The funny thing is I'm walking,
uh, on the 8th Avenue once,

1500
01:16:56,678 --> 01:16:58,213
near where he lives,

1501
01:16:58,213 --> 01:17:03,251
and I walk with some <br / > hardcore gay bookstore,
uh, you know

1502
01:17:03,251 --> 01:17:04,753
I don't know what this is
going on there, you know,

1503
01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:07,856
one of these places
You might still be able to buy
locker room

1504
01:17:07,856 --> 01:17:09,791
or, or, or you know,

1505
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:12,427
and I see a picture of
my boots in the window.

1506
01:17:12,427 --> 01:17:13,862
I'm like, "Hey, that
my dear...

1507
01:17:13,862 --> 01:17:14,896
I think that
is my shoes. "

1508
01:17:14,896 --> 01:17:16,531
And below it is written
Dito Shoes

1509
01:17:16,531 --> 01:17:19,034
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