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THAT MEMORY OF GOING TO

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ARLINGTON TO BURY ONE OF MY

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OFFICERS FROM THE C.I.A.,

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ELIZABETH HANSON, IS ONE THAT

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WILL BE WITH ME FOR A LONG TIME.

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THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE

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TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY, AND

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THAT'S WHAT ELIZABETH HANSON

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DID.

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I KNEW THAT THE C.I.A. OFFICERS

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WERE THERE BECAUSE I ORDERED

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THEM TO BE THERE.

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I HAD TO BEAR SOME OF THE

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RESPONSIBILITY FOR HAVING TAKEN

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THIS RISK.

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INITIAL REPORTS INDICATE THE

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BOMBER WAS BEING RECRUITED BY

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THE C.I.A. AS A SOURCE.

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THIS WAS THE WORST, SINGLE

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LOSS OF LIFE FOR THE C.I.A.

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SINCE 1983, WHEN A TRUCK BOMBER

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BLEW UP THE AMERICAN EMBASSY.

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THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY TURNED

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OUT TO BE A DOUBLE AGENT AND HAD

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BLOWN HIMSELF UP, AS WELL AS OUR

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OFFICERS.

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IT'S HARD TO FIND THE WORDS WHEN

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SUDDENLY YOU'RE TOLD THAT SEVEN

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OF YOUR OFFICERS HAVE BEEN

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KILLED AND OTHERS SERIOUSLY

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WOUNDED.

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THE FAMILIES OUT THERE WHO,

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WITHIN A FEW HOURS, WERE GOING

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TO BE INFORMED THAT SOMEONE

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WHO... WHO THEY LOVED HAD BEEN

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KILLED.

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WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO

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FIGURE OUT WHO WERE THE ONES WHO

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PUSHED THAT BUTTON.

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RELY ON, SPIES.

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AND SO WE IMMEDIATELY ASKED THE

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QUESTION, "WHO THE HELL WAS

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INVOLVED IN THIS TRAGIC SUICIDE

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BOMBING?"

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WE WERE ABLE TO GET PRETTY GOOD

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INTELLIGENCE.

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AND SO, WE KNEW WHO THE

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INDIVIDUAL WAS.

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THIS WAS A BAD GUY, AND HE WAS

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CLEARLY A LEADER.

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HAD BEEN INVOLVED NOT ONLY IN

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GOING AFTER OUR OFFICERS, BUT IN

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KILLING MEMBERS OF OUR OWN

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FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN.

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AND IT WAS ON THE DAY OF

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ELIZABETH HANSON'S FUNERAL THAT

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I GOT A CALL FROM OUR OPERATIONS

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CENTER.

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THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD PRETTY

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GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE

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THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS.

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UNFORTUNATELY, THIS INDIVIDUAL

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HAD FAMILY AND WIFE AND CHILDREN

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AROUND HIM, AND SO ONE OF THE

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TOUGH QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW,

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"WHAT SHOULD WE DO?"

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STANDBY.

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DO NOT ENGAGE.

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DO NOT ENGAGE THE MOSQUE.

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ROGER.

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CHILDREN IN THE SHOT, WE

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NORMALLY WOULD NOT

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TAKE THE SHOT.

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HOUSE, AND THEY WERE AWARE HOW

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TOUGH A DECISION THIS IS AND

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BASICALLY SAID, "LOOK, YOU KNOW,

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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A

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JUDGMENT HERE."

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SO I KNEW AT THAT POINT THAT IT

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WAS A DECISION THAT I WAS GOING

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TO HAVE TO MAKE.

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I MEAN, I'M THE ONE WHO'S GOING

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TO HAVE TO SAY HAIL MARYS HERE.

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I WAS RAISED A CATHOLIC, I

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BELIEVE IN MY FAITH, AND I RELY

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A GREAT DEAL ON MY FAITH

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THROUGHOUT MY LIFE.

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I'VE ALWAYS CARRIED A ROSARY AND

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ALWAYS SAID A HELL OF A LOT OF

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HAIL MARYS IN TOUGH SITUATIONS.

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AND SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, I FOUND

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THAT I WAS MAKING DECISIONS ON

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LIFE AND DEATH AS DIRECTOR, AND

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THOSE DECISIONS ARE NEVER EASY,

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AND FRANKLY THEY SHOULDN'T BE

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EASY.

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I FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT

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IN THAT JOB TO DO WHAT I COULD

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TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY, SO I

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PASSED ON THE WORD.

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I SAID, IF YOU CAN ISOLATE THE

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INDIVIDUAL AND TAKE THE SHOT

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WITHOUT IMPACTING ON WOMEN OR

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CHILDREN, THEN DO IT.

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BUT IF YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE

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AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT GET

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AWAY, THEN TAKE THE SHOT.

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LET'S GO.

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ROLL IT IN.

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WILDFIRE, WE'RE CLEARED ON THE

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BUILDING.

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WE'RE CLEARED ON THE BIG

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SQUARE BUILDING.

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GO AHEAD AND LEVEL IT.

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ROGER THAT.

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YEAH, DIRECT HITS RIGHT THERE.

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AND IT DID INVOLVE COLLATERAL

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DAMAGE, BUT WE GOT HIM.

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IT'S DONE.

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AND YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT, THEY ARE

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TOUGH DECISIONS.

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BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WAR.

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THIS IS A WAR.

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9/11, THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T

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HESITATE A MOMENT TO KILL 3,000

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PEOPLE AND TAKE DOWN THE TRADE

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CENTERS AND HIT THE PENTAGON.

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THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD

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NOT HESITATE TO ATTACK US AGAIN.

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IN THE END, WHAT YOU DO I THINK

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HAS TO BE BASED ON WHAT YOUR

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GUTS TELL YOU IS RIGHT.

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THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL

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ABOUT.

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YOU HAVE TO BE TRUE TO YOURSELF

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AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT

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AND HOPE THAT ULTIMATELY GOD

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AGREES WITH YOU.

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I'M FORCED TO MAKE DECISIONS

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EVERY DAY.

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BRENNAN CARRIES THE BURDEN OF

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COMMAND.

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A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT WE

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RECOGNIZE HAVE RISKS ASSOCIATED

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WITH THEM, SIGNIFICANT RISKS

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THAT SOMETIMES CAN RESULT IN

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DEATHS.

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THE C.I.A.'S ACTIONS A DECADE

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AGO ARE A STAIN ON OUR VALUE AND

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ON OUR HISTORY.

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YOU CAN'T CLAIM THAT TYING

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SOMEONE TO THE FLOOR AND HAVING

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THEM FREEZE TO DEATH IS NOT

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TORTURE.

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TORTURE WAS WHAT THE AL QAEDA

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TERRORISTS DID TO 3,000

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AMERICANS ON 9/11.

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I WISH THE WORLD WERE

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SIMPLER.

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I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE

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COMPLEX CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE

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WHERE THERE IS NOT A RIGHT AND

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WRONG ANSWER, WHERE IT'S NOT

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BLACK AND WHITE.

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ON THOSE DAYS WHEN I'M THINKING

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ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME

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MOST, THERE IS THE BIOLOGICAL

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AGENT, THERE IS THE DEVASTATING

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STRATEGIC TYPE OF TERRORIST

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ATTACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT

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THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE SO

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DETERMINED TO CAUSE AS MUCH

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HAVOC AND DESTRUCTION AND DEATH

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AS POSSIBLE.

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HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS

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PHENOMENON THAT WE'RE FACING AS

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FAR AS TERRORISM, LIKE ISIS AND

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THEIR WANTON, MURDEROUS

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ACTIVITIES?

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ISIS RULES WITH BRUTALITY AND

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FEAR, PUBLICLY EXECUTING THOSE

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WHO OFFEND ITS STRICT VERSION OF

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ISLAMIC LAW.

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WELL, WE CAN LET THESE

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TERRORIST ORGANITIONS THRIVE

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AND NOT TAKE ACTION AGAINST

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THEM, OR WE CAN TRY TO TAKE

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ACTION THAT'S GOING TO DISRUPT

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THEIR PLANS.

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Narrator: IN A CONFLICT

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AGAINST A RUTHLESS ENEMY, WHAT

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ARE THE RULES FOR AMERICA'S

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SPYMASTERS?

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GO FOR THE VEHICLE.

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YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ENGAGE THE

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MOVING VEHICLE.

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Narrator: DOES THE C.I.A. GO

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TOO FAR...

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(UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS)

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Narrator: ...OR NOT FAR

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ENOUGH?

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KILLING PEOPLE, NO MATTER HOW

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BAD THEY ARE, IS NOT SOMETHING

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THAT SHOULD EVER REST EASILY IN

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ANYBODY'S SOUL OR IN ANYBODY'S

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BRAIN.

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SOMETIMES I THINK WE GET

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OURSELVES INTO A FRENZY, INTO

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BELIEVING THAT KILLING IS THE

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ONLY ANSWER TO A PROBLEM.

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AND THE TRUTH IS, IT'S NOT.

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Narrator: ONLY 12 MEN ALIVE

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TODAY HAVE MADE THE

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LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISIONS THAT

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COME WITH RUNNING THE WORLD'S

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MOST POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE

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AGENCY.

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LET ME BARE MY SOUL JUST A

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LITTLE BIT MORE.

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Narrator: THE KEEPERS OF

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AMERICA'S SECRETS,

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THE SPYMASTERS AND THEIR TOP

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OPERATIVES SHARE THEIR

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CONVICTIONS AND, FOR THE FIRST

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TIME, THEIR PASSIONATE

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DISAGREEMENTS, ABOUT THE

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AGENCY'S PAST, ITS CURRENT

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MISSION AND ITS FUTURE.

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IT IS A BATTLE FOR THE SOUL OF

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THE C.I.A.

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WHEN YOU'RE CONFRONTING AN

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ENEMY THAT'S PREPARED TO BLOW UP

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AND KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN AND

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CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO GO AT THEM

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USING THE CAPABILITIES THAT WE

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HAVE.

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FOR ME, THAT'S THE BASIC RULE:

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DO WE PROTECT OUR PEOPLE OR DO

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WE NOT PROTECT THEM?

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Narrator: DID THE WHITE HOUSE

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IGNORE THE C.I.A.'S WARNINGS

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ABOUT 911?

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3,000 AMERICANS HAD BEEN

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KILLED.

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THERE WAS AN EMOTIONAL PIECE OF

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THIS BECAUSE WE HAD WOKEN UP

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EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES TRYING TO

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STOP WHAT JUST HAD HAPPENED.

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Narrator: WHAT'S FAIR GAME

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AGAINST TERRORISTS HELL-BENT ON

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ATTACKING US AGAIN?

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BLACK SITES, INDEFINITE

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DETENTION?

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YOU'RE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL

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INTELLIGENCE AND SOMEBODY COMES

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FORWARD AND SAYS TO YOU, "WE GOT

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THESE BAD GUYS, WE KNOW THEY'RE

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BAD GUYS.

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WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO

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WITH THEM?"

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WELL, THE OLD TRADITIONAL WAY

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WOULD HAVE BEEN TO PUT THEM IN

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THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND SHOOT

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THEM.

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WELL, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD

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IDEA, IS IT?

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Narrator: ARE BRUTAL

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INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES EVER

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ACCEPTABLE?

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THE SENATE REPORT HAS

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PUBLICLY REVEALED GRAPHIC NEW

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DETAILS.

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...AND THE REPORT SAYS

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DETAINEES WERE KEPT IN TOTAL

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DARKNESS, SHACKLED TO THE WALL

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IN 45-DEGREE TEMPERATURES.

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WE WERE ASKED TO DO SOME VERY

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HARD THINGS.

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ARE WE HAPPY WE DID THEM?

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OF COURSE NOT.

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WOULD WE DO THEM AGAIN?

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I WOULD HOPE SO IF WE FOUND

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OURSELVES IN THOSE

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CIRCUMSTANCES.

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I JUST DON'T THINK A COUNTRY

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LIKE OURS SHOULD BE CULPABLE OF

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CONDUCTING TORTURE.

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I JUST THINK IT'S BENEATH OUR

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DIGNITY.

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I THINK IT'S POOR FOR OUR

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REPUTATION AND THE WORLD.

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I'M NOT GOING TO EVER ACCEPT

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THE USE OF THE WORD "TORTURE" IN

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FRONT OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

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I'M NOT GOING TO FALL TO THAT.

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Narrator: HAS THE C.I.A.

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BECOME A SECRET ARMY, A KILLING

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MACHINE?

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YOU'RE SITTING THERE IN THE

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MIDDLE OF NOWHERE IN NEVADA, AND

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YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SCREEN THAT

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IS TELEVISING WHAT LOOKS FOR ALL

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THE WORLD LIKE A BIG VIDEO GAME.

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AND PUSH A BUTTON AND A PICKUP

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TRUCK EXPLODES HALF A WORLD

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AWAY.

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I MEAN, IF THEY'RE BAD GUYS

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AND THEY'RE DOING US HARM,

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I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

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NOW THE DARK SIDE.

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YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE PERFECT.

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THERE IS COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

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(CRYING)

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WE FEED THE JIHADI

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RECRUITMENT VIDEO THAT THESE

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AMERICANS ARE HEARTLESS KILLERS.

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WE MAY HAVE TO USE THESE

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KINDS OF WEAPONS, BUT, IN THE

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END, LET ME TELL YOU

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SOMETHING--IF WE FAIL TO DO THIS

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AND GOD FORBID THIS COUNTRY

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FACED ANOTHER 9/11, YOU KNOW

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WHAT THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD

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BE: WHY THE HELL DID YOU LET

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THIS HAPPEN?

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WHY THE HELL DID YOU LET THIS

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HAPPEN?

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IF YOU ARE A TERRORISM

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ANALYST FOR LONG ENOUGH, YOU

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WILL HAVE MANY MOMENTS WHERE YOU

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WILL FEEL RESPONSIBLE.

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RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HAVING

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STAYED LONG ENOUGH, NOT HAVING

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STAYED LATE ENOUGH, NOT HAVING

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THOUGHT HARD ENOUGH.

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NOT HAVING PLOWED THROUGH ENOUGH

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DATA TO CONNECT THOSE PROVERBIAL

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DOTS.

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AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE OTHER END

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OF THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HURT

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OR KILLED.

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I GAVE BIRTH TO MY FIRST SON IN

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WHAT WAS A VERY EMERGENCY

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C-SECTION.

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HE WAS QUITE EARLY.

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I WAS LYING DOWN IN MY HOSPITAL

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BED, STILL TRYING TO GET OVER

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SOME OF THE PAIN.

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MY PHONE RANG, AND I HEARD MY

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BOSS SCREAMING ON THE OTHER END,

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"YOUR PEOPLE DID THIS, YOUR

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PEOPLE DID THIS."

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AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS

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TALKING ABOUT, BUT I KNEW SHE

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MEANT SOMETHING BAD HAD

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HAPPENED.

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AND I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION,

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AND I SAW, AND I KNEW WHAT SHE

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MEANT.

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Narrator: FEBRUARY 26, 1993.

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WE HEARD A TREMENDOUS

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EXPLOSION.

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THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

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Narrator: IN AN UNDERGROUND

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GARAGE IN NEW YORK CITY, A VAN

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PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVES

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DETONATES, KILLING SIX PEOPLE

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AND INJURING MORE THAN A

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THOUSAND.

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IT WOULD BE THE FIRST ATTACK ON

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THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.

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THE FACT IS, AT THIS HOUR,

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POLICE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW WHO DID

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THIS OR WHY.

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THE BIG MESSAGE THAT COMES

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OUT OF THE 1993 TRADE CENTER

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BOMBING IS THAT A THRESHOLD HAS

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BEEN CROSSED.

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THEY'VE HIT US HERE.

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BUT YOU KNOW, THINKING BACK ON

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IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT MESSAGE

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WAS AS POWERFULLY ABSORBED AS WE

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CAN SEE IT IN RETROSPECT.

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Narrator: THE TRAIL WOULD

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LEAD TO A SHADOWY NETWORK OF

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JIHADISTS IN AFGHANISTAN THAT

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THE WORLD WOULD COME TO KNOW AS

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AL QAEDA, AND A CHARISMATIC

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SAUDI MULTI-MILLIONAIRE.

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I HAD LIKENED OSAMA BIN LADEN

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AT THE TIME TO-- I KNOW THIS IS

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HORRIBLE TO SAY, BUT TO DONALD

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TRUMP.

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YOU KNOW, HE WAS LIKE THE DONALD

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TRUMP OF THE TERRORISM

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UNDERWORLD.

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HE HAD THE WHEREWITHAL AND A

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VISION THAT WAS CLEARLY

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CONTROVERSIAL AND DIFFERENT FROM

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EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT, YOU KNOW,

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THE TENACITY TO FOLLOW IT.

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I DEFINITELY DREW A LOT OF

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SNICKERS FROM MY... FROM MY

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COLLEAGUES WHO THOUGHT I WAS

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MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A

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MOLEHILL AND BLOWING HIM OUT OF

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PROPORTION.

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Narrator: AUGUST 7, 1998.

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SUICIDE TRUCK BOMBERS STRIKE

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AMERICAN EMBASSIES IN TANZANIA

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AND KENYA, EAST AFRICA.

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224 PEOPLE LIE DEAD, TWO OF THEM

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C.I.A. OFFICERS.

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AFTER THE EAST AFRICA

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BOMBINGS, I SAT AT HOME AND

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FURIOUSLY DRAFTED A MEMO CALLED

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"WE'RE AT WAR."

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ENOUGH SWATTING AT FLIES; WE

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NEED TO PUT A WORLDWIDE PLAN IN

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PLACE WHERE WE CAN START

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DEMONSTRATING THAT WE CAN

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PENETRATE THIS ADVERSARY, GET

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INTO THE SANCTUARY, PENETRATE

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HIS MAJOR OPERATIONAL HUBS AND

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SET US UP FOR REALLY PROVIDING

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POLICYMAKERS WITH HARD

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INTELLIGENCE WITH WHICH THEY

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COULD MAKE DECISIONS.

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Narrator: COFER BLACK, A

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LEGENDARY OPERATIVE, HAD ESCAPED

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AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT BY AL

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QAEDA WHILE SERVING IN KHARTOUM.

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THE FIRST WEEK THAT I WAS IN

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THE COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER, NEW

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CHIEF COMES IN, AND THEY STICK

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YOU IN A CONFERENCE ROOM, AND

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PEOPLE START COMING IN AND

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BRIEFING YOU ON ALL THEIR AREAS

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OF ACTIVITY.

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I DON'T SHOCK EASY, BUT I WAS

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SHOCKED.

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THIS WAS A WAVE OF THREATS

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COMING AT THE UNITED STATES.

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THERE WAS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND

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THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS GOING

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TO BE STRUCK AND STRUCK HARD.

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LOTS OF AMERICANS WERE GOING TO

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DIE.

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SANDY BERGER, THE NATIONAL

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SECURITY ADVISOR AT THE END OF

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THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION,

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ASKED US FOR A VERY IMPORTANT

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PIECE OF PAPER.

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WE CALLED IT THE "BLUE SKY

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PAPER."

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HE SAID, "I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE

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THAT YOU HAD ALL THE AUTHORITIES

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YOU NEEDED AND ALL THE RESOURCES

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YOU NEEDED TO TAKE DOWN AL

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QAEDA.

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WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

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GETTING INTO THE AFGHAN

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SANCTUARY, LAUNCHING A

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PARAMILITARY OPERATION-- WE KNEW

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EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.

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WE WERE READY TO DO IT.

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THE IMPORTANT PART IS, NO

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ACTION WAS TAKEN.

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IT WAS NOT ADVANCED.

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Narrator: AS AL QAEDA GROWS

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MORE LETHAL, C.I.A. DIRECTOR

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GEORGE TENET FACES A TEST THAT

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WILL DEFINE HIS PLACE IN

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HISTORY: CAN THE C.I.A. STOP BIN

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LADEN BEFORE HE STRIKES THE

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UNITED STATES AGAIN?

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ON SEPTEMBER 28, 2000, WE

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WERE TESTING DRONES OVER

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AFGHANISTAN WHEN WE SAW A VERY

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TALL MAN IN WHITE ROBES WHO WE

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ASSUMED AT THE TIME WAS BIN

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LADEN.

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I MEAN, I LOVE THIS.

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THIS IS SUCH A WASHINGTON THING.

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OUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO CAPTURE

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HIM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE

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ATTEMPTED TO DO.

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AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

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CAPTURING, I WOULD THINK, AND

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THE ALTERNATIVE IS SIGNIFICANT.

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AND THE GAP IS LARGE.

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KILLING BIN LADEN IN THE TIME

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PERIOD WE OPERATED WAS NEVER AN

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OPTION BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY

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GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES

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COULD ONLY BE KILLED IN THEAT HE

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CONTEXT OF A CAPTURE OPERATION.

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DID YOU TELL THE WHITE HOUSE,

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DID YOU TELL JANET RENO, "LOOK,

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YOU DON'T GET IT.

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WE HAVE TO KILL THIS GUY.

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WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM DOWN"?

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NO.

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I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

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I HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL

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RESPONSIBILITY; I PLAY IN A

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PROCESS WHERE THE PRESIDENT OF

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THE UNITED STATES AND THE

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ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE TO ACCEPT

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RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS

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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE.

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Narrator: BUT THE EAST AFRICA

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BOMBINGS IN 1998 HAD CHANGED THE

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CALCULUS FOR PRESIDENT BILL

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CLINTON.

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HE LAUNCHED CRUISE MISSILE

524
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,369
STRIKES IN AN EFFORT TO KILL BIN

525
00:21:36,369 --> 00:21:39,905
LADEN, BUT THEY MISSED.

526
00:21:39,905 --> 00:21:41,640
THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

527
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,809
SPENT EIGHT YEARS LEARNING TO

528
00:21:43,809 --> 00:21:45,811
APPRECIATE THIS THREAT, AND ONLY

529
00:21:45,811 --> 00:21:48,580
AT THE VERY END DID THEY GET IT.

530
00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:49,914
I, GEORGE WALKER BUSH, DO

531
00:21:49,914 --> 00:21:51,483
SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL

532
00:21:51,483 --> 00:21:52,584
FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE OFFICE OF

533
00:21:52,584 --> 00:21:55,387
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

534
00:21:55,387 --> 00:21:57,155
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT

535
00:21:57,155 --> 00:21:58,556
POLICYMAKERS ACROSS TWO

536
00:21:58,556 --> 00:22:00,191
ADMINISTRATIONS UNDERSTOOD FROM

537
00:22:00,191 --> 00:22:03,194
ME, AND UNDERSTOOD FROM COFER

538
00:22:03,194 --> 00:22:04,362
AND ALL OF OUR ANALYSTS AND

539
00:22:04,362 --> 00:22:05,630
PEOPLE WHO BRIEFED THEM,

540
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:06,864
UNDERSTOOD THE MAGNITUDE OF THE

541
00:22:06,864 --> 00:22:10,033
THREAT IN FRONT OF THEM.

542
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:15,572
IN THE SPRING OF 2001, WE

543
00:22:15,572 --> 00:22:17,441
SUBMITTED AUTHORITIES TO THE

544
00:22:17,441 --> 00:22:19,109
INCOMING BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND

545
00:22:19,109 --> 00:22:20,677
ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATING A

546
00:22:20,677 --> 00:22:22,613
PARAMILITARY OPERATION.

547
00:22:22,613 --> 00:22:25,615
AND THE WORD BACK WAS, "WE'RE

548
00:22:25,615 --> 00:22:27,083
NOT QUITE READY TO CONSIDER THIS

549
00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:29,118
WE DON'T WANT THE CLOCK TO START

550
00:22:29,118 --> 00:22:31,821
TICKING."

551
00:22:31,821 --> 00:22:33,756
WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU?

552
00:22:33,756 --> 00:22:34,991
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS

553
00:22:34,991 --> 00:22:36,859
NOT QUITE READY TO CONSIDER WHAT

554
00:22:36,859 --> 00:22:38,227
ITS OPTIONS WERE WITH REGARD TO

555
00:22:38,227 --> 00:22:39,729
TERRORISM.

556
00:22:39,729 --> 00:22:41,164
I THINK THEY WERE MENTALLY

557
00:22:41,164 --> 00:22:42,899
STUCK BACK EIGHT YEARS AGO.

558
00:22:42,899 --> 00:22:44,232
WHEN THEY WERE IN POWER, THEY

559
00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:45,400
WERE USED TO TERRORISTS BEING

560
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,802
EURO LEFTIES-- DRINK CHAMPAGNE

561
00:22:46,802 --> 00:22:48,103
BY NIGHT, BLOW THINGS UP DURING

562
00:22:48,103 --> 00:22:50,305
THE DAY-- AND IT WAS A VERY

563
00:22:50,305 --> 00:22:52,908
DIFFICULT SELL TO COMMUNICATE

564
00:22:52,908 --> 00:22:55,010
THE URGENCY TO THIS.

565
00:23:03,117 --> 00:23:05,419
FOR US, THE SYSTEM WAS

566
00:23:05,419 --> 00:23:06,887
BLINKING RED IN THE SENSE THAT

567
00:23:06,887 --> 00:23:07,721
WE THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE

568
00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,991
UNCOVERING WAS A TOP-DOWN PLOT,

569
00:23:10,991 --> 00:23:12,326
SOMETHING BEING ORDERED FROM

570
00:23:12,326 --> 00:23:14,395
AFGHANISTAN OUT.

571
00:23:14,395 --> 00:23:15,896
BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US

572
00:23:15,896 --> 00:23:19,300
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.

573
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,533
Narrator: THE CRISIS COMES TO

574
00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:23,870
A HEAD ON JULY 10, 2001.

575
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:25,004
RICHARD BLEE, THE HEAD OF THE

576
00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:26,940
BIN LADEN UNIT, BARGES INTO

577
00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,975
COFER BLACK'S OFFICE.

578
00:23:28,975 --> 00:23:30,310
HE COMES AND HE GOES, "OKAY,

579
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:31,511
ROOF'S FALLEN IN."

580
00:23:31,511 --> 00:23:33,079
I SAID, "GREAT, WHAT'CHA GOT?"

581
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,614
THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD NOW

582
00:23:34,614 --> 00:23:35,648
COMPILED WAS ABSOLUTELY

583
00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:37,150
COMPELLING.

584
00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:38,884
IT WAS MULTIPLE-SOURCED, AND IT

585
00:23:38,884 --> 00:23:40,486
WAS... IT WAS SORT OF THE LAST

586
00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:41,587
STRAW.

587
00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:42,888
PICKED UP THE PHONE, CALLED THE

588
00:23:42,888 --> 00:23:44,022
SECRETARY, "HAVE TO SEE THE

589
00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:44,957
DIRECTOR, I'M COMING UP WITH

590
00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:45,724
RICH."

591
00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:47,292
SHE SAYS, "WELL, I'M SORRY, HE'S

592
00:23:47,292 --> 00:23:49,261
IN WITH THE HEAD OF SOME FOREIGN

593
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,596
INTELLIGENCE SERVICE."

594
00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,698
I SAID, "WE'RE COMING UP.

595
00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:53,665
KICK THE GUY OUT.

596
00:23:53,665 --> 00:23:54,500
WE'RE COMING NOW.

597
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,768
TELL HIM TO GET READY."

598
00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:00,505
GEORGE TENET IS A VERY SMART

599
00:24:00,505 --> 00:24:01,873
GUY.

600
00:24:01,873 --> 00:24:04,041
CHEWING ON HIS CIGAR, GOING BACK

601
00:24:04,041 --> 00:24:05,409
AND FORTH, JUMPING UP AND DOWN.

602
00:24:05,409 --> 00:24:06,811
HIS EYES ARE FLASHING.

603
00:24:06,811 --> 00:24:08,613
WISH I HAD A FILM OF IT.

604
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,114
HE GOT IT, ALL RIGHT.

605
00:24:10,114 --> 00:24:11,782
IT'S NOT JUST RED LIGHTS.

606
00:24:11,782 --> 00:24:14,085
RED LIGHTS AND CHATTER IS A

607
00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:15,253
CONVENIENT WAY THIS IS

608
00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:15,986
PORTRAYED.

609
00:24:15,986 --> 00:24:17,354
THERE WERE REAL PLOTS BEING

610
00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:18,655
MANIFESTED.

611
00:24:18,655 --> 00:24:19,856
THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN SANA'A

612
00:24:19,856 --> 00:24:21,024
IS GOING TO BE BOMBED, BRITISH

613
00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:22,392
AND AMERICAN SCHOOLS IN JEDDAH

614
00:24:22,392 --> 00:24:23,293
ARE GOING TO BE BOMBED.

615
00:24:23,293 --> 00:24:24,661
THE WORLD WAS ON THE EDGE OF

616
00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:27,797
ERUPTION.

617
00:24:29,132 --> 00:24:31,101
[PARENT EXPLOSION]

618
00:24:31,101 --> 00:24:32,702
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS THEN IN THIS

619
00:24:32,702 --> 00:24:34,770
PERIOD OF TIME IN JUNE AND JULY,

620
00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:37,806
THE THREAT CONTINUES TO RISE.

621
00:24:37,806 --> 00:24:39,642
PUBLIC PRONOUNCEMENTS BY PEOPLE

622
00:24:39,642 --> 00:24:41,477
IN AL QAEDA WAS, THERE WOULD BE

623
00:24:41,477 --> 00:24:43,479
EIGHT MAJOR CELEBRATIONS COMING.

624
00:24:43,479 --> 00:24:44,880
THE WORLD WAS GOING TO BE

625
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,848
STUNNED BY WHAT WOULD SOON

626
00:24:45,848 --> 00:24:47,049
HAPPEN.

627
00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:48,817
TERRORISTS WERE DISAPPEARING.

628
00:24:48,817 --> 00:24:50,419
CAMPS WERE CLOSING.

629
00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:52,321
THREAT REPORTING ON THE RISE.

630
00:24:52,321 --> 00:24:53,855
AND THIS STARTED BUILDING TO A

631
00:24:53,855 --> 00:24:54,923
CRESCENDO.

632
00:24:54,923 --> 00:24:56,357
WE DECIDED THE NEXT THING TO

633
00:24:56,357 --> 00:24:57,559
DO WAS PICK UP THE WHITE PHONE,

634
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:58,726
CALL THE WHITE HOUSE, "WE'RE

635
00:24:58,726 --> 00:25:00,028
COMING DOWN RIGHT NOW."

636
00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,229
I SAID, "CONDI, I HAVE TO

637
00:25:01,229 --> 00:25:02,564
COME SEE YOU."

638
00:25:02,564 --> 00:25:03,898
IT WAS ONE OF THE RARE TIMES IN

639
00:25:03,898 --> 00:25:05,266
MY SEVEN YEARS AS DIRECTOR WHERE

640
00:25:05,266 --> 00:25:06,868
I SAID, "I HAVE TO COME SEE YOU.

641
00:25:06,868 --> 00:25:11,239
WE'RE COMING RIGHT NOW."

642
00:25:11,239 --> 00:25:12,472
Narrator: PRESENT AT THE JULY

643
00:25:12,472 --> 00:25:14,241
10 WHITE HOUSE MEETING ARE

644
00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:15,742
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

645
00:25:15,742 --> 00:25:17,644
CONDOLEEZZA RICE AND OTHER TOP

646
00:25:17,644 --> 00:25:19,346
OFFICIALS.

647
00:25:19,346 --> 00:25:21,448
SO RICH STARTED BY SAYING,

648
00:25:21,448 --> 00:25:22,649
"THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT

649
00:25:22,649 --> 00:25:23,984
TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST THE

650
00:25:23,984 --> 00:25:25,185
UNITED STATES IN THE COMING

651
00:25:25,185 --> 00:25:26,687
WEEKS OR MONTHS.

652
00:25:26,687 --> 00:25:28,689
THE ATTACKS WILL BE SPECTACULAR.

653
00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:30,189
THEY MAY BE MULTIPLE.

654
00:25:30,189 --> 00:25:31,457
AL QAEDA'S INTENTION IS THE

655
00:25:31,457 --> 00:25:32,692
DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED

656
00:25:32,692 --> 00:25:35,027
STATES."

657
00:25:35,027 --> 00:25:36,362
AND I SAID, "THIS COUNTRY'S

658
00:25:36,362 --> 00:25:39,131
GOT TO GO A WAR FOOTING NOW."

659
00:25:39,131 --> 00:25:42,535
I SLAMMED MY HAND ON THE TABLE.

660
00:25:42,535 --> 00:25:44,804
AFTER IT WAS OVER, RICH BLEE AND

661
00:25:44,804 --> 00:25:46,839
I SORT OF CONGRATULATED EACH

662
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,507
OTHER IN THE SENSE THAT, "I

663
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:50,675
THINK WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH TO

664
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,377
THESE PEOPLE.

665
00:25:52,377 --> 00:25:54,145
WE HAVE EXECUTED OUR

666
00:25:54,145 --> 00:25:54,879
RESPONSIBILITIES."

667
00:25:54,879 --> 00:25:56,514
WHAT HAPPENED?

668
00:25:56,514 --> 00:25:57,349
YEAH.

669
00:25:57,349 --> 00:25:59,184
WHAT DID HAPPEN?

670
00:25:59,184 --> 00:26:00,051
YEAH.

671
00:26:00,051 --> 00:26:01,086
WHAT HAPPENED?

672
00:26:01,086 --> 00:26:02,187
ESSENTIALLY, NOTHING

673
00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:03,922
HAPPENED?

674
00:26:03,922 --> 00:26:05,991
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

675
00:26:05,991 --> 00:26:07,124
Narrator: CONDOLEEZZA RICE

676
00:26:07,124 --> 00:26:08,459
WOULD LATER WRITE THAT HER

677
00:26:08,459 --> 00:26:10,227
MEMORY OF THE MEETING WAS "NOT

678
00:26:10,227 --> 00:26:12,262
VERY CRISP BECAUSE WE WERE

679
00:26:12,262 --> 00:26:13,664
DISCUSSING THE THREAT EVERY

680
00:26:13,664 --> 00:26:14,932
DAY."

681
00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:16,200
HAVING RAISED THE ALERT LEVELS

682
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,968
FOR U.S. PERSONNEL ABROAD, SHE

683
00:26:17,968 --> 00:26:19,903
ADDED, "I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING

684
00:26:19,903 --> 00:26:23,841
WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE."

685
00:26:31,914 --> 00:26:36,419
IF ON THE 10th OF SEPTEMBER

686
00:26:36,419 --> 00:26:37,920
WE'D BEEN ABLE TO WALK INTO THE

687
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,322
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

688
00:26:39,322 --> 00:26:41,924
AND SAY, "WE THINK U.S.

689
00:26:41,924 --> 00:26:43,259
AIRLINERS ARE GOING TO BE

690
00:26:43,259 --> 00:26:44,960
HIJACKED TOMORROW," JUST THINK

691
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,195
ABOUT IT.

692
00:26:47,195 --> 00:26:47,929
IF WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO GIVE HIM

693
00:26:47,929 --> 00:26:51,333
THAT VERY SPECIFIC PIECE, AS THE

694
00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:53,735
PRESIDENT, HE MAY VERY WELL HAVE

695
00:26:53,735 --> 00:26:55,570
HELD ALL THE AIRLINERS FROM

696
00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:59,775
FLYING, UNTIL WHEN?

697
00:27:07,882 --> 00:27:15,756
WE MIGHT HAVE STOPPED 9/11 FROM

698
00:27:15,756 --> 00:27:19,126
HAPPENING ON 9/11, BUT I THINK

699
00:27:19,126 --> 00:27:20,327
IT WOULD'VE HAPPENED ON THE 10th

700
00:27:20,327 --> 00:27:21,928
OF OCTOBER OR THE 12th OF

701
00:27:21,928 --> 00:27:24,297
NOVEMBER.

702
00:27:24,297 --> 00:27:25,932
IF YOU DON'T PUT A SYSTEM OF

703
00:27:25,932 --> 00:27:28,001
DEFENSE IN PLACE, IF YOU DON'T

704
00:27:28,001 --> 00:27:29,869
BUTTON UP YOUR AIRPORTS, BUTTON

705
00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:31,571
UP YOUR BUILDINGS, CHANGE YOUR

706
00:27:31,571 --> 00:27:33,239
VISA POLICIES, HAVE SOME

707
00:27:33,239 --> 00:27:34,607
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON

708
00:27:34,607 --> 00:27:36,609
IN THE UNITED STATES, CREATE A

709
00:27:36,609 --> 00:27:38,044
MECHANISM WHERE THERE'S A...

710
00:27:38,044 --> 00:27:40,212
WHERE THERE'S A QUICK SWIVEL

711
00:27:40,212 --> 00:27:42,314
BETWEEN FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC,

712
00:27:42,314 --> 00:27:45,918
YOU'RE GOING TO GET HURT.

713
00:27:50,155 --> 00:27:51,490
YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY DOES

714
00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:53,392
PISS ME OFF?

715
00:27:53,392 --> 00:27:54,927
WHEN PEOPLE CALL THIS AN

716
00:27:54,927 --> 00:27:56,829
INTELLIGENCE FAILURE.

717
00:27:56,829 --> 00:27:58,830
WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING,

718
00:27:58,830 --> 00:27:59,931
AMERICAN INTERESTS ARE GOING TO

719
00:27:59,931 --> 00:28:01,299
BE ATTACKED, AND IT COULD VERY

720
00:28:01,299 --> 00:28:03,334
WELL BE IN THE UNITED STATES.

721
00:28:03,334 --> 00:28:07,305
IT'S SERIOUS, IT'S COMING.

722
00:28:07,305 --> 00:28:08,773
SOMETIMES WHEN I DRIVE MY CAR I

723
00:28:08,773 --> 00:28:10,475
THINK ABOUT IT, AND TO ME IT

724
00:28:10,475 --> 00:28:12,677
REMAINS INCOMPREHENSIBLE STILL.

725
00:28:12,677 --> 00:28:15,646
I MEAN, HOW IS IT THAT YOU COULD

726
00:28:15,646 --> 00:28:19,783
WARN SENIOR PEOPLE SO MANY TIMES

727
00:28:19,783 --> 00:28:22,419
AND NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

728
00:28:22,419 --> 00:28:24,588
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE "TWILIGHT

729
00:28:24,588 --> 00:28:25,689
ZONE."

730
00:28:25,689 --> 00:28:26,857
YOU ALMOST SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE

731
00:28:26,857 --> 00:28:29,359
YOU WANT TO PINCH YOURSELF.

732
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,194
AT THE END OF JULY, WE WERE

733
00:28:31,194 --> 00:28:33,196
SITTING IN MY CONFERENCE ROOM

734
00:28:33,196 --> 00:28:34,631
JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS

735
00:28:34,631 --> 00:28:37,233
AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW

736
00:28:37,233 --> 00:28:41,203
THIS ATTACK MIGHT OCCUR, AND

737
00:28:41,203 --> 00:28:42,638
I'LL NEVER FORGET THIS TILL THE

738
00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:44,473
DAY I DIE.

739
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,442
RICH BLEE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY

740
00:28:46,442 --> 00:28:49,912
AND SAID, "THEY'RE COMING HERE."

741
00:28:49,912 --> 00:28:51,981
AND THE SILENCE THAT FOLLOWED

742
00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:52,715
WAS DEAFENING.

743
00:28:52,715 --> 00:28:55,650
YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP.

744
00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:01,256
"THEY'RE COMING HERE."

745
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:17,371
THE HEAD OF MY SECURITY

746
00:29:36,255 --> 00:29:38,825
DETAIL CAME OVER TO ME TO SAY A

747
00:29:38,825 --> 00:29:40,359
PLANE HAD HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS

748
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,562
OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.

749
00:29:42,562 --> 00:29:44,263
MY INSTINCTUAL REACTION WAS,

750
00:29:44,263 --> 00:29:44,897
"THIS IS AL QAEDA.

751
00:29:44,897 --> 00:29:46,732
I'VE GOT TO GO."

752
00:29:46,732 --> 00:29:48,334
THERE ARE FIRE CREWS JUST

753
00:29:48,334 --> 00:29:49,968
STREAMING INTO THIS AREA FROM

754
00:29:49,968 --> 00:29:54,706
EVERY CONCEIVABLE DIRECTION.

755
00:29:54,706 --> 00:29:56,041
AND WE ALL LOOKED AROUND AND

756
00:29:56,041 --> 00:29:58,043
WE THOUGHT, "OH, MY GOODNESS.

757
00:29:58,043 --> 00:30:00,478
TRAGIC ACCIDENT."

758
00:30:00,478 --> 00:30:01,913
AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT

759
00:30:01,913 --> 00:30:03,348
A PRIVATE AIRCRAFT HAD FLOWN

760
00:30:03,348 --> 00:30:06,451
INTO... INTO THE TOWER.

761
00:30:06,451 --> 00:30:07,385
I THOUGHT, "GEEZ, THIS MUST

762
00:30:07,385 --> 00:30:10,154
BE THE WORLD'S WORST PILOT."

763
00:30:10,154 --> 00:30:11,522
I JUMPED IN THE CAR.

764
00:30:11,522 --> 00:30:12,356
IT WAS THE WORLD'S LONGEST

765
00:30:12,356 --> 00:30:13,190
CAR RIDE.

766
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:14,225
IT TOOK 12 MINUTES, BUT THE

767
00:30:14,225 --> 00:30:17,127
PHONES WEREN'T WORKING.

768
00:30:18,996 --> 00:30:21,398
LOOKING UP AT THE TV, IN REAL

769
00:30:21,398 --> 00:30:24,001
TIME WE SAW THE SECOND PLANE HIT

770
00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:27,136
THE OTHER TOWER.

771
00:30:30,373 --> 00:30:32,709
WE KNEW, WE ALL KNEW, "WE'RE

772
00:30:32,709 --> 00:30:35,845
UNDER ATTACK."

773
00:30:35,845 --> 00:30:36,946
HOLY SHIT, THE FIRST ONE WE

774
00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:38,047
THOUGHT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

775
00:30:38,047 --> 00:30:39,148
WHEN WE HEARD THERE WAS A SECOND

776
00:30:39,148 --> 00:30:40,149
ONE, WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT IT

777
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:41,384
WAS TERRORISM.

778
00:30:41,384 --> 00:30:42,252
AND I HEARD A ROAR, AND I

779
00:30:42,252 --> 00:30:43,286
LOOKED UP AND SAW THE SECOND

780
00:30:43,286 --> 00:30:44,220
PLANE HIT.

781
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:45,687
PEOPLE WERE CRYING, HOLDING

782
00:30:45,687 --> 00:30:48,523
ON TO EACH OTHER.

783
00:30:56,598 --> 00:30:59,334
STAY CALM.

784
00:30:59,334 --> 00:31:00,669
STAY CALM, STAY CALM.

785
00:31:00,669 --> 00:31:01,503
PLEASE, GOD.

786
00:31:01,503 --> 00:31:02,537
YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

787
00:31:02,537 --> 00:31:03,639
AND SOMEBODY SAID, "MY GOD,

788
00:31:03,639 --> 00:31:04,672
THEY HIT THE PENTAGON, THEY HIT

789
00:31:04,672 --> 00:31:05,873
THE PENTAGON."

790
00:31:05,873 --> 00:31:06,807
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S

791
00:31:06,807 --> 00:31:07,875
KEEP MOVE... AWAY FROM THE

792
00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:09,677
BUILDING.

793
00:31:09,677 --> 00:31:10,645
LET'S GET AWAY FROM THE

794
00:31:10,645 --> 00:31:13,381
BUILDING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

795
00:31:16,651 --> 00:31:18,519
SO DIRECTOR TENET SAID, "OKAY

796
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:19,820
WE HAVE TO EVACUATE

797
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:22,355
HEADQUARTERS."

798
00:31:22,355 --> 00:31:24,824
EVERYBODY OUT, EVERYBODY OUT.

799
00:31:24,824 --> 00:31:28,261
IF THEY STAY, THEY COULD DIE.

800
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:30,430
I SAID, "WE'RE NEEDED.

801
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:31,598
THAT'S WHERE OUR COMPUTERS ARE.

802
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:33,099
WE NEED TO RESPOND.

803
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:34,234
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'LL

804
00:31:34,234 --> 00:31:37,337
JUST HAVE TO DIE."

805
00:31:37,337 --> 00:31:38,805
Narrator: THAT DAY, MICHAEL

806
00:31:38,805 --> 00:31:40,806
MORELL, THE PRESIDENT'S BRIEFER,

807
00:31:40,806 --> 00:31:42,274
IS WITH GEORGE W. BUSH IN

808
00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:43,943
FLORIDA.

809
00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:46,445
IT WAS OUR JOB TO PREVENT AN

810
00:31:46,445 --> 00:31:48,614
ATTACK, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT.

811
00:31:48,614 --> 00:31:52,685
ON OUR WATCH, THIS HAPPENED.

812
00:31:52,685 --> 00:31:54,353
WE WENT BACK TO "AIR FORCE ONE."

813
00:31:54,353 --> 00:31:57,122
THERE WAS A RING OF SECRET

814
00:31:57,122 --> 00:31:58,090
SERVICE AGENTS AROUND "AIR FORCE

815
00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:03,094
ONE" WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

816
00:32:03,094 --> 00:32:04,195
WE TOOK OFF.

817
00:32:04,195 --> 00:32:06,197
WE WENT UP AT A VERY STEEP

818
00:32:06,197 --> 00:32:09,100
ASCENT.

819
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,368
AND I REMEMBER SAYING TO THE

820
00:32:10,368 --> 00:32:12,370
PRESIDENT'S MILITARY AIDE,

821
00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:13,471
"WHERE ARE WE GOING?"

822
00:32:13,471 --> 00:32:14,672
HE SAID, "WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE

823
00:32:14,672 --> 00:32:15,940
FLYING AROUND FOR A BIT UNTIL WE

824
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,742
FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON."

825
00:32:18,742 --> 00:32:20,243
WE WERE WATCHING TELEVISION

826
00:32:20,243 --> 00:32:22,612
IMAGES FROM NEW YORK, AND IT WAS

827
00:32:22,612 --> 00:32:24,815
IN THERE THAT WE SAW THE TWO

828
00:32:24,815 --> 00:32:28,051
TOWERS COLLAPSE.

829
00:32:28,051 --> 00:32:28,618
WAIT A SECOND.

830
00:32:28,618 --> 00:32:29,820
IS THIS A LIVE PICTURE?

831
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:30,854
THIS IS A LIVE PICTURE.

832
00:32:30,854 --> 00:32:33,156
WE'RE SEEING THE SECOND WORLD

833
00:32:33,156 --> 00:32:34,858
TRADE TOWER CENTER.

834
00:32:34,858 --> 00:32:36,426
THE SECOND WORLD TRADE CENTER

835
00:32:36,426 --> 00:32:39,495
HAS JUST COLLAPSED --

836
00:32:45,434 --> 00:32:48,104
TODAY, OUR FELLOW CITIZENS,

837
00:32:48,104 --> 00:32:50,406
WAY OF LIFE, OUR VERY FREEDOM

838
00:32:50,406 --> 00:32:53,075
CAME UNDER ATTACK IN A SERIES OF

839
00:32:53,075 --> 00:32:55,343
DELIBERATE AND DEADLY TERRORIST

840
00:32:55,343 --> 00:32:56,711
ACTS.

841
00:32:56,711 --> 00:32:59,414
THE VICTIMS WERE IN AIRPLANES--

842
00:32:59,447 --> 00:33:00,915
THE CITY I GREW UP IN HAD BEEN

843
00:33:00,915 --> 00:33:02,083
BLOWN UP.

844
00:33:02,117 --> 00:33:03,451
SECRETARIES, BUSINESSMEN AND

845
00:33:03,451 --> 00:33:05,053
WOMEN, MILITARY AND FEDERAL,--

846
00:33:08,423 --> 00:33:09,290
NEIGHBORS.

847
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,267
NOBODY COMES TO OUR TOWN AND

848
00:33:20,267 --> 00:33:24,204
MESSES WITH OUR PEOPLE.

849
00:33:24,204 --> 00:33:25,572
IN HIS OFFICE ON "AIR FORCE

850
00:33:25,572 --> 00:33:28,075
ONE," THE PRESIDENT SAID TO ME,

851
00:33:28,075 --> 00:33:32,612
"MICHAEL, WHO DID THIS?"

852
00:33:32,612 --> 00:33:34,514
AND I SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, BOTH

853
00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:36,983
IRAN AND IRAQ HAVE ABSOLUTELY

854
00:33:36,983 --> 00:33:38,751
NOTHING TO GAIN AND HAVE

855
00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:40,286
EVERYTHING TO LOSE FROM DOING

856
00:33:40,286 --> 00:33:43,990
THIS.

857
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:47,226
I WOULD BET MY CHILDREN'S FUTURE

858
00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:49,695
THAT THIS IS AL QAEDA.

859
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:53,031
THIS IS BIN LADEN."

860
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,166
AND CERTAINLY, LOOKING AT THE

861
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,667
FLIGHT MANIFESTS, THAT

862
00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,102
CORROBORATED THE FACT THAT IT

863
00:33:57,102 --> 00:33:59,237
HAD BEEN AL QAEDA.

864
00:33:59,237 --> 00:34:00,372
Narrator: IT TAKES ONLY

865
00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:01,973
MOMENTS TO DISCOVER WHAT HAS

866
00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:03,909
BEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING.

867
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:05,410
THERE, IN BLACK AND WHITE, ON

868
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:06,812
THE PASSENGER MANIFEST OF THE

869
00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:08,747
PLANE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON ARE

870
00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:10,881
KNOWN AL QAEDA TERRORISTS--

871
00:34:10,881 --> 00:34:13,651
NAWAF AL HAZMI AND KHALID AL

872
00:34:13,651 --> 00:34:15,186
MIDHAR.

873
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:16,720
TWO OF THE HIJACKERS ON BOARD

874
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,222
THE AIRLINER WHICH ATTACKED THE

875
00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:19,690
PENTAGON HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED

876
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,192
MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF

877
00:34:21,192 --> 00:34:23,928
BEFORE AS SUSPECTED TERRORISTS,

878
00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,629
YET NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP

879
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:27,964
AL-HAZMI AND AL-MIDHAR FROM

880
00:34:27,964 --> 00:34:29,799
ENTERING THE U.S, AND NO

881
00:34:29,799 --> 00:34:31,201
ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO FIND THEM

882
00:34:31,201 --> 00:34:32,902
UNTIL JUST THREE WEEKS BEFORE

883
00:34:32,902 --> 00:34:35,338
SEPTEMBER 11.

884
00:34:35,338 --> 00:34:37,107
WHY DIDN'T THE C.I.A., WHY

885
00:34:37,107 --> 00:34:38,274
DIDN'T SOMEBODY PICK UP THE

886
00:34:38,274 --> 00:34:40,076
PHONE TO THE F.B.I. AND SAY,

887
00:34:40,076 --> 00:34:42,979
"HEY, THESE TWO GUYS ARE HERE?"

888
00:34:42,979 --> 00:34:44,614
AT ROOT HERE IS, WE DIDN'T

889
00:34:44,614 --> 00:34:46,949
HAVE THE SEAMLESS INTERACTION.

890
00:34:46,949 --> 00:34:48,450
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO

891
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:49,818
FUSE THINGS QUICKLY.

892
00:34:49,818 --> 00:34:51,687
OUR POLICIES WERE OUT OF DATE.

893
00:34:51,687 --> 00:34:53,021
THE INFORMATION THAT THE

894
00:34:53,021 --> 00:34:54,857
C.I.A. HAD ABOUT THE TWO

895
00:34:54,857 --> 00:34:56,258
HIJACKERS IN THE UNITED STATES

896
00:34:56,258 --> 00:34:57,659
SHOULD HAVE BEEN ROUTINELY

897
00:34:57,659 --> 00:34:58,894
SHARED WITH THE F.B.I., AND IT

898
00:34:58,894 --> 00:35:00,829
WASN'T.

899
00:35:00,829 --> 00:35:01,730
Narrator: TWO GOVERNMENT

900
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:03,832
AGENCIES CHARGED WITH PROTECTING

901
00:35:03,832 --> 00:35:06,601
THE UNITED STATES WERE BARELY

902
00:35:06,601 --> 00:35:07,902
COMMUNICATING.

903
00:35:07,902 --> 00:35:08,836
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS

904
00:35:08,836 --> 00:35:10,671
ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH THE C.I.A. AND

905
00:35:10,671 --> 00:35:13,040
F.B.I. FAILED TO FOLLOW UP ON

906
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,575
LEADS THAT COULD HAVE POINTED

907
00:35:14,575 --> 00:35:16,277
THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF THE

908
00:35:16,277 --> 00:35:17,979
9/11 HIJACKERS.

909
00:35:17,979 --> 00:35:20,148
IN ESSENCE, AL QAEDA BEING A

910
00:35:20,148 --> 00:35:22,583
SMART INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATION,

911
00:35:22,583 --> 00:35:24,918
LOOKED AT OUR BANKING POLICIES,

912
00:35:24,918 --> 00:35:27,320
OUR BORDER POLICIES, OUR AIRLINE

913
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,722
PROTECTION POLICIES, OUR

914
00:35:28,722 --> 00:35:30,490
INFRASTRUCTURE POLICIES AND CAME

915
00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:32,259
TO A CONCLUSION THAT THE COUNTRY

916
00:35:32,259 --> 00:35:38,632
WAS ABSOLUTELY UNPROTECTED.

917
00:35:38,632 --> 00:35:39,933
I THINK THERE'S HUGE FAILURES

918
00:35:39,933 --> 00:35:41,401
AT THE C.I.A. AND THE F.B.I.

919
00:35:41,401 --> 00:35:42,968
THE C.I.A. MISSED THE CHANCE

920
00:35:42,968 --> 00:35:44,470
TO NAB TWO SUSPECTS AFTER THEY

921
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:45,604
ENTERED THE UNITED STATES.

922
00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:46,872
OUR GOVERNMENT FAILED TO

923
00:35:46,872 --> 00:35:51,043
PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

924
00:35:55,481 --> 00:35:56,882
AN ELECTED OFFICIAL CAME UP

925
00:35:56,882 --> 00:35:59,051
TO ME AND SAID, "SO, COFER, HOW

926
00:35:59,051 --> 00:36:00,485
DOES IT FEEL TO BE RESPONSIBLE

927
00:36:00,485 --> 00:36:02,320
FOR THE LARGEST INTELLIGENCE

928
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,390
FAILURE SINCE PEARL HARBOR?"

929
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:08,092
THIS WAS A FAILURE OF POLICY,

930
00:36:08,092 --> 00:36:11,229
MANAGEMENT, CAPABILITY, AND,

931
00:36:11,229 --> 00:36:13,298
ABOVE ALL, A FAILURE OF

932
00:36:13,298 --> 00:36:14,933
IMAGINATION.

933
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:16,734
NONE OF THE MEASURES ADOPTED BY

934
00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:17,835
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

935
00:36:17,835 --> 00:36:20,804
BEFORE 9/11 DISTURBED OR EVEN

936
00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:23,106
DELAYED THE PROGRESS OF THE AL

937
00:36:23,106 --> 00:36:26,343
QAEDA PLOT.

938
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:32,549
ABOVE ALL ELSE, 9/11 WAS A

939
00:36:32,549 --> 00:36:34,284
FAILURE OF OUR IMAGINATION.

940
00:36:34,284 --> 00:36:35,752
WE ALL KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING

941
00:36:35,752 --> 00:36:37,720
TO HAPPEN; WE JUST FOUND IT

942
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,423
VERY, VERY HARD TO CONCEIVE THAT

943
00:36:40,423 --> 00:36:42,925
WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY WAS

944
00:36:42,925 --> 00:36:45,895
GOING TO HAPPEN.

945
00:36:45,895 --> 00:36:47,330
I'VE NEVER LIKED THIS

946
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:48,831
"FAILURE OF IMAGINATION" THING.

947
00:36:48,831 --> 00:36:51,000
I THINK 9/11 IS A NATIONAL

948
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,068
FAILURE.

949
00:36:52,068 --> 00:36:54,170
IT ACTUALLY TOOK 9/11 FOR THE

950
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:55,738
AMERICAN PEOPLE TO GET TO THE

951
00:36:55,738 --> 00:36:57,806
POINT WHERE THEY WOULD AGREE

952
00:36:57,806 --> 00:36:59,174
WITH ALL THE DEFENSIVE MEASURES

953
00:36:59,174 --> 00:37:03,478
THAT NEEDED TO BE PUT IN PLACE.

954
00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:09,584
THERE WAS NEVER A MOMENT IN

955
00:37:09,584 --> 00:37:11,820
ALL OF THIS TIME WHEN YOU BLAMED

956
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,557
YOURSELF?

957
00:37:16,557 --> 00:37:20,494
WELL, LOOK, THERE... I'M... I

958
00:37:20,494 --> 00:37:21,829
STILL LOOK AT THE CEILING AT

959
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:23,430
NIGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS--

960
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:24,765
AND I'LL KEEP THEM TO MYSELF

961
00:37:24,765 --> 00:37:29,303
FOREVER-- BUT WE'RE ALL HUMAN

962
00:37:29,303 --> 00:37:33,606
BEINGS.

963
00:37:36,943 --> 00:37:39,145
I DO REMEMBER THE WHOLE

964
00:37:39,145 --> 00:37:43,283
EMOTIONAL IMPACT OF 9/11 STRUCK

965
00:37:43,283 --> 00:37:47,287
ME VERY HARD AS I SAT ON MY

966
00:37:47,287 --> 00:37:48,988
FRONT LAWN AFTER THANKSGIVING

967
00:37:48,988 --> 00:37:52,090
ONE DAY.

968
00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:53,525
THE HORROR OF WHAT HAPPENED HIT

969
00:37:53,525 --> 00:37:54,459
ME.

970
00:37:54,459 --> 00:37:57,229
THERE WAS NO TIME BETWEEN 9/11

971
00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:58,897
AND THAT MOMENT.

972
00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,700
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY TIME.

973
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:03,502
Narrator: NO TIME, BECAUSE

974
00:38:03,502 --> 00:38:04,903
THE C.I.A. WOULD NOW BE CALLED

975
00:38:04,903 --> 00:38:06,571
UPON TO PUT ITS WAR PLAN AGAINST

976
00:38:06,571 --> 00:38:09,308
AL QAEDA INTO ACTION, THAT

977
00:38:09,308 --> 00:38:11,742
AUDACIOUS "BLUE SKY" MEMO THAT

978
00:38:11,742 --> 00:38:15,813
HAD BEEN IGNORED BEFORE 9/11.

979
00:38:15,813 --> 00:38:17,448
ON SEPTEMBER THE 15th, WE

980
00:38:17,448 --> 00:38:19,483
ESSENTIALLY OUTLINE OUR PLAN--

981
00:38:19,483 --> 00:38:21,419
SEAL THE BORDERS OF AFGHANISTAN,

982
00:38:21,419 --> 00:38:22,820
GO AFTER THEIR LEADERSHIP, SHUT

983
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:24,121
OFF THEIR MONEY, DESTROY AL

984
00:38:24,121 --> 00:38:25,189
QAEDA.

985
00:38:25,189 --> 00:38:27,792
WE'RE SAYING, "TAKE OUR PLAN.

986
00:38:27,792 --> 00:38:29,793
LET US GO FIRST."

987
00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:32,262
AND I SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN

988
00:38:32,262 --> 00:38:35,198
WE'RE DONE, THESE GUYS ARE GOING

989
00:38:35,198 --> 00:38:36,466
TO HAVE FLIES WALKING ACROSS

990
00:38:36,466 --> 00:38:38,201
THEIR EYEBALLS."

991
00:38:38,201 --> 00:38:39,402
AND I COULD SEE THE PRESIDENT

992
00:38:39,402 --> 00:38:40,537
WAS THINKING, "WAIT, FLIES ON

993
00:38:40,537 --> 00:38:41,905
EYEBALLS..."

994
00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:43,173
THEN HE GOT IT.

995
00:38:43,173 --> 00:38:44,641
AND HE SAYS, "WE'LL USE THE

996
00:38:44,641 --> 00:38:45,975
C.I.A. PLAN.

997
00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:47,509
C.I.A. WILL BE FIRST BOOTS ON

998
00:38:47,509 --> 00:38:49,511
THE GROUND."

999
00:38:49,511 --> 00:38:51,013
Narrator: 110 C.I.A. OFFICERS

1000
00:38:51,013 --> 00:38:53,082
AND 300 SPECIAL FORCES SWEEP

1001
00:38:53,082 --> 00:38:55,584
INTO THE TRIBAL AREAS...

1002
00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,986
NINER FOUR FIVE OVER.

1003
00:38:57,986 --> 00:38:59,421
COPY THAT.

1004
00:38:59,421 --> 00:39:00,622
Narrator: ...WHERE THEY WILL

1005
00:39:00,622 --> 00:39:01,857
JOIN WITH WARRIORS OF THE

1006
00:39:01,857 --> 00:39:06,060
NORTHERN ALLIANCE AND UPROOT THE

1007
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,062
TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA FROM THEIR

1008
00:39:08,062 --> 00:39:10,965
SAFE HOLD IN AFGHANISTAN.

1009
00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:12,300
(UNINTELLIGIBLE

1010
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,303
COMMUNICATION)

1011
00:39:15,303 --> 00:39:16,270
Narrator: THE C.I.A.'S

1012
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:18,539
MESSAGE: IF YOU ARE WITH US,

1013
00:39:18,539 --> 00:39:20,908
YOU'LL BE REWARDED...

1014
00:39:20,908 --> 00:39:22,410
OUR OFFICERS OFTEN SLEPT ON

1015
00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:23,511
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CASH AT

1016
00:39:23,511 --> 00:39:25,712
NIGHT.

1017
00:39:25,712 --> 00:39:26,947
Narrator: ...BUT IF YOU ARE

1018
00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:30,951
AGAINST US...

1019
00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:32,018
YOU WERE MORE THAN LIKELY TO

1020
00:39:32,018 --> 00:39:34,020
GET A 2,000-POUND BOMB DOWN YOUR

1021
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:35,422
THROAT.

1022
00:39:35,422 --> 00:39:36,723
THERE WAS NEVER A GENERAL ON THE

1023
00:39:36,723 --> 00:39:38,258
GROUND.

1024
00:39:38,258 --> 00:39:39,059
THERE WAS NEVER A COMMAND

1025
00:39:39,059 --> 00:39:40,694
STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND.

1026
00:39:40,694 --> 00:39:41,795
THIS WAS A REAL

1027
00:39:41,795 --> 00:39:43,129
COUNTERINSURGENCY.

1028
00:39:43,129 --> 00:39:44,697
[GUNSHOTS]

1029
00:39:44,697 --> 00:39:46,365
WE'VE GOT THE AIRPLANE ON

1030
00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:47,466
THAT TARGET FIRST.

1031
00:39:47,466 --> 00:39:50,369
OVER.

1032
00:39:50,369 --> 00:39:52,004
WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY TALIBAN

1033
00:39:52,004 --> 00:39:53,072
AT THIS TIME.

1034
00:39:53,072 --> 00:39:54,273
OVER.

1035
00:39:54,273 --> 00:39:55,808
IN ABOUT NINE WEEKS, ALL

1036
00:39:55,808 --> 00:39:57,309
CITIES CONTROLLED BY THE TALIBAN

1037
00:39:57,309 --> 00:40:00,613
HAD BEEN OVERTHROWN.

1038
00:40:00,613 --> 00:40:02,247
ALL AL QAEDA IN AFGHANISTAN HAD

1039
00:40:02,247 --> 00:40:04,949
EITHER BEEN KILLED, CAPTURED,

1040
00:40:04,949 --> 00:40:06,217
WERE RUNNING FOR THE BORDER, OR

1041
00:40:06,217 --> 00:40:09,754
CROSSED THE BORDER.

1042
00:40:09,754 --> 00:40:10,955
Narrator: BIN LADEN'S

1043
00:40:10,955 --> 00:40:12,323
SANCTUARY, TORA BORA, IS BLOWN

1044
00:40:12,323 --> 00:40:14,993
TO PIECES, BUT THE C.I.A.'S

1045
00:40:14,993 --> 00:40:17,662
LIGHTNING VICTORY IS FLEETING

1046
00:40:17,662 --> 00:40:18,930
BECAUSE THE TERRORIST LEADER

1047
00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:22,032
CROSSES THE BORDER INTO PAKISTAN

1048
00:40:22,032 --> 00:40:24,701
AND DISAPPEARS.

1049
00:40:24,701 --> 00:40:26,804
I'M NOT SURE I EVER SAW THE

1050
00:40:26,804 --> 00:40:28,305
PRESIDENT GET MAD EXCEPT THIS

1051
00:40:28,305 --> 00:40:30,874
ONE OCCASION, AND HE WAS

1052
00:40:30,874 --> 00:40:32,743
FURIOUS.

1053
00:40:32,743 --> 00:40:33,977
Narrator: AND NOW THE

1054
00:40:33,977 --> 00:40:35,779
AGENCY'S FINEST HOUR IS ABOUT TO

1055
00:40:35,779 --> 00:40:37,080
BE FOLLOWED BY ONE OF ITS

1056
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,416
DARKEST CHAPTERS, BECAUSE THE

1057
00:40:40,416 --> 00:40:41,851
WHITE HOUSE IS EYEING ANOTHER

1058
00:40:41,851 --> 00:40:46,956
TARGET: IRAQ.

1059
00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:49,459
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SADDAM

1060
00:40:49,459 --> 00:40:51,828
HUSSEIN NOW HAS WEAPONS OF MASS

1061
00:40:51,828 --> 00:40:53,463
DESTRUCTION, AND HE HAD

1062
00:40:53,463 --> 00:40:54,697
ESTABLISHED RELATIONSHIP WITH AL

1063
00:40:54,697 --> 00:40:56,065
QAEDA.

1064
00:40:56,065 --> 00:40:57,566
THERE WAS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN

1065
00:40:57,566 --> 00:40:59,601
AL QAEDA AND IRAQ THAT STRETCHED

1066
00:40:59,601 --> 00:41:02,370
BACK TEN YEARS.

1067
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:03,538
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I THOUGHT

1068
00:41:03,538 --> 00:41:05,106
OF, THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTOR OF

1069
00:41:05,106 --> 00:41:07,242
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE WAS TELLING

1070
00:41:07,242 --> 00:41:08,109
US.

1071
00:41:08,109 --> 00:41:09,511
THIS CONNECTION DID NOT

1072
00:41:09,511 --> 00:41:10,545
EXIST.

1073
00:41:10,545 --> 00:41:11,947
WE INTERVENED ON NUMEROUS

1074
00:41:11,947 --> 00:41:13,114
OCCASIONS TO SAY SO.

1075
00:41:13,114 --> 00:41:14,616
EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT OUR POINT OF

1076
00:41:14,616 --> 00:41:16,250
VIEW WAS.

1077
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:17,852
AND I REMEMBER ONCE GOING TO THE

1078
00:41:17,852 --> 00:41:19,186
PRESIDENT AND SAYING, "LOOK,

1079
00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:20,387
WE... THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.

1080
00:41:20,387 --> 00:41:22,122
WE CAN'T SUPPORT THIS LANGUAGE."

1081
00:41:22,122 --> 00:41:23,591
NEITHER C.I.A. NOR ANY OTHER

1082
00:41:23,591 --> 00:41:25,259
GOVERNMENT AGENCY EVER FOUND ANY

1083
00:41:25,259 --> 00:41:27,161
EVIDENCE THAT IRAQ PLAYED ANY

1084
00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:29,129
ROLE AT ALL IN 9/11.

1085
00:41:29,129 --> 00:41:30,364
WE STUCK WITH THAT VIEW

1086
00:41:30,364 --> 00:41:31,966
THAT SADDAM WAS NOT INVOLVED IN

1087
00:41:31,966 --> 00:41:34,201
9.11.

1088
00:41:34,201 --> 00:41:35,468
Narrator: BUT ON THE CENTRAL

1089
00:41:35,468 --> 00:41:37,704
QUESTION, DOES SADDAM HUSSEIN

1090
00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:38,838
HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS

1091
00:41:38,838 --> 00:41:41,040
DESTRUCTION?, THE C.I.A.'S

1092
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,077
ANSWER IS YES.

1093
00:41:44,077 --> 00:41:45,445
IN THE OVAL OFFICE, DIRECTOR

1094
00:41:45,445 --> 00:41:47,614
TENET REASSURES GEORGE W. BUSH

1095
00:41:47,614 --> 00:41:49,482
WITH A METAPHOR THAT BECOMES

1096
00:41:49,482 --> 00:41:51,017
INFAMOUS.

1097
00:41:51,017 --> 00:41:53,318
I SAID, "WE CAN MAKE THIS

1098
00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:53,986
BETTER.

1099
00:41:53,986 --> 00:41:54,987
IT'S A SLAM DUNK."

1100
00:41:54,987 --> 00:41:55,888
IT WAS TENET WHO ASSURED

1101
00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:57,256
PRESIDENT BUSH THE QUESTION OF

1102
00:41:57,256 --> 00:41:58,757
IRAQ HAVING WEAPONS OF MASS

1103
00:41:58,757 --> 00:42:00,926
DESTRUCTION WAS A SLAM DUNK.

1104
00:42:00,926 --> 00:42:04,630
A "SLAM DUNK."

1105
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,798
NOW, THE WAY IT WAS PORTRAYED

1106
00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:08,901
WAS, THIS WAS THE SEMINAL MOMENT

1107
00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:11,369
IN THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE IN TERMS

1108
00:42:11,369 --> 00:42:13,004
OF DECIDING WHETHER TO GO TO WAR

1109
00:42:13,004 --> 00:42:14,405
OR NOT, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT

1110
00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:16,607
HAPPENED AT ALL.

1111
00:42:16,607 --> 00:42:18,976
THE DECISION TO GO TO WAR AND

1112
00:42:18,976 --> 00:42:20,645
ORDERS TO SEND TROOPS HAD

1113
00:42:20,645 --> 00:42:22,079
ALREADY BEEN SIGNED.

1114
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,980
I MEAN, WE... WE WERE WAY DOWN

1115
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:23,814
THE ROAD HERE.

1116
00:42:23,814 --> 00:42:24,949
WHAT I WANTED TO CONVEY IS THERE

1117
00:42:24,949 --> 00:42:27,351
WAS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY FOR US

1118
00:42:27,351 --> 00:42:28,486
TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PUBLIC

1119
00:42:28,486 --> 00:42:29,953
CASE.

1120
00:42:29,953 --> 00:42:30,887
Narrator: THAT PUBLIC CASE TO

1121
00:42:30,887 --> 00:42:32,822
GO TO WAR WILL BE MADE BY

1122
00:42:32,822 --> 00:42:35,325
SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN POWELL

1123
00:42:35,325 --> 00:42:38,128
IN A PIVOTAL SPEECH VETTED BY

1124
00:42:38,128 --> 00:42:42,098
THE C.I.A. AND GEORGE TENET.

1125
00:42:42,098 --> 00:42:43,500
WE WORKED AS HARD AS WE KNEW

1126
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,001
HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE

1127
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:46,369
SECRETARY WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO

1128
00:42:46,369 --> 00:42:48,138
THE WORLD ON THE BASIS ON THE

1129
00:42:48,138 --> 00:42:49,939
TRUTH AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT.

1130
00:42:49,939 --> 00:42:51,807
NOW, WE WERE ALSO LIVING IN A

1131
00:42:51,807 --> 00:42:53,242
TIME PERIOD WHERE THERE WAS NO

1132
00:42:53,242 --> 00:42:55,945
OUTSIDE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE OR

1133
00:42:55,945 --> 00:42:58,213
EXPERTS OR ANYBODY WHO BELIEVED

1134
00:42:58,213 --> 00:42:59,949
HE DID NOT HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS

1135
00:42:59,949 --> 00:43:01,317
DESTRUCTION.

1136
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:02,484
WE KNOW THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN

1137
00:43:02,484 --> 00:43:03,552
IS DETERMINED TO KEEP HIS

1138
00:43:03,552 --> 00:43:05,588
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION;

1139
00:43:05,588 --> 00:43:07,622
HE'S DETERMINED TO MAKE MORE.

1140
00:43:07,622 --> 00:43:08,823
LEAVING SADDAM HUSSEIN IN

1141
00:43:08,823 --> 00:43:09,991
POSSESSION OF WEAPONS OF MASS

1142
00:43:09,991 --> 00:43:11,559
DESTRUCTION FOR A FEW MORE

1143
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,094
MONTHS OR YEARS IS NOT AN

1144
00:43:13,094 --> 00:43:14,329
OPTION.

1145
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:15,463
Narrator: AND COLIN POWELL

1146
00:43:15,463 --> 00:43:17,031
MAKES A STARTLING CLAIM ABOUT

1147
00:43:17,031 --> 00:43:18,333
BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS THAT COMES

1148
00:43:18,333 --> 00:43:20,034
FROM A DUBIOUS SOURCE, A SOURCE

1149
00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:22,437
SOME IN THE C.I.A. KNEW WAS

1150
00:43:22,437 --> 00:43:24,138
UNRELIABLE.

1151
00:43:24,138 --> 00:43:25,739
WE HAVE FIRSTHAND

1152
00:43:25,739 --> 00:43:27,608
DESCRIPTIONS OF BIOLOGICAL

1153
00:43:27,608 --> 00:43:29,843
WEAPONS FACTORIES ON WHEELS AND

1154
00:43:29,843 --> 00:43:31,178
ON RAILS.

1155
00:43:31,178 --> 00:43:32,713
HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DISPENSE

1156
00:43:32,713 --> 00:43:34,214
THESE LETHAL POISONS AND

1157
00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:36,350
DISEASES IN WAYS THAT CAN CAUSE

1158
00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:40,120
MASSIVE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

1159
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,521
IT SHOULD'VE NEVER BEEN IN

1160
00:43:41,521 --> 00:43:42,889
THE SPEECH.

1161
00:43:42,889 --> 00:43:44,624
THIS WAS AN INTERNAL FAILURE OF

1162
00:43:44,624 --> 00:43:46,993
SOME PROPORTIONS INSIDE C.I.A.

1163
00:43:46,993 --> 00:43:48,527
OUR SENIOR OFFICER IN GERMANY

1164
00:43:48,527 --> 00:43:50,896
WAS WRITING CABLES IN THAT THERE

1165
00:43:50,896 --> 00:43:52,298
WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE SOURCE,

1166
00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:53,633
"DON'T USE THIS SOURCE."

1167
00:43:53,633 --> 00:43:56,068
NEVER SURFACED TO US, EVER

1168
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:58,137
SURFACED TO US.

1169
00:43:58,137 --> 00:43:59,939
YOU KNOW, WE LET HIM DOWN.

1170
00:43:59,939 --> 00:44:01,273
AND HE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT

1171
00:44:01,273 --> 00:44:04,342
ALL THIS.

1172
00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:06,378
MY FELLOW CITIZENS, AT THIS

1173
00:44:06,378 --> 00:44:11,449
HOUR, AMERICAN AND COALITION

1174
00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:13,251
FORCES ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES

1175
00:44:13,251 --> 00:44:16,287
OF MILITARY OPERATIONS TO DISARM

1176
00:44:16,287 --> 00:44:19,224
IRAQ, TO FREE IT'S PEOPLE.

1177
00:44:23,594 --> 00:44:27,965
FROM GRAVE DANGER.

1178
00:44:27,965 --> 00:44:29,533
IT'S BEEN 21 MONTHS SINCE

1179
00:44:29,533 --> 00:44:31,001
PRESIDENT BUSH LAUNCHED THE

1180
00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:32,636
INVASION OF IRAQ BASED IN LARGE

1181
00:44:32,636 --> 00:44:34,638
PART ON THE FAULTY INTELLIGENCE

1182
00:44:34,638 --> 00:44:36,540
THAT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS

1183
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:37,608
DESTRUCTION.

1184
00:44:37,608 --> 00:44:38,642
THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE

1185
00:44:38,642 --> 00:44:40,076
COMMITTEE HAS ISSUED A SCATHING

1186
00:44:40,076 --> 00:44:41,744
REPORT ON C.I.A. INTELLIGENCE

1187
00:44:41,744 --> 00:44:43,279
FAILURES ON THE THREAT LEVEL OF

1188
00:44:43,279 --> 00:44:44,280
PREWAR IRAQ.

1189
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,549
WE WENT TO WAR IN IRAQ BASED

1190
00:44:46,549 --> 00:44:50,153
ON FALSE CLAIMS.

1191
00:44:50,153 --> 00:44:51,354
WE WERE ALL VERY SURPRISED,

1192
00:44:51,354 --> 00:44:52,622
FRANKLY, THAT THERE WERE NOT

1193
00:44:52,622 --> 00:44:53,923
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

1194
00:44:53,923 --> 00:44:54,824
FOUND.

1195
00:44:54,824 --> 00:44:56,959
WE GOT W.M.D. VERY WRONG.

1196
00:44:56,959 --> 00:44:59,027
OUR BLAME IN THIS WAS NOT

1197
00:44:59,027 --> 00:45:00,562
JUST THAT WE WERE WRONG.

1198
00:45:00,562 --> 00:45:02,898
WE WERE AND THAT'S BAD, BUT WE

1199
00:45:02,898 --> 00:45:04,766
DID NOT COMMUNICATE OUR

1200
00:45:04,766 --> 00:45:06,301
AMBIGUITY.

1201
00:45:06,301 --> 00:45:08,236
WE DID NOT COMMUNICATE THAT WE

1202
00:45:08,236 --> 00:45:09,705
HAD ANYTHING EXCEPT FULL

1203
00:45:09,705 --> 00:45:11,773
CONFIDENCE IN OUR ESTIMATES TO

1204
00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:13,642
THE POLICY-MAKERS, AND THAT'S

1205
00:45:13,642 --> 00:45:15,010
REALLY THE ISSUE.

1206
00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:16,378
OUR ANALYSTS WERE GOOD AND

1207
00:45:16,378 --> 00:45:17,344
HONEST PEOPLE.

1208
00:45:17,344 --> 00:45:18,779
THERE'S NO POLITICAL MOTIVATION

1209
00:45:18,779 --> 00:45:19,647
HERE.

1210
00:45:19,647 --> 00:45:20,981
WE BASICALLY CAME TO THOSE

1211
00:45:20,981 --> 00:45:21,782
CONCLUSIONS.

1212
00:45:21,782 --> 00:45:23,217
NOBODY COOKED THE BOOKS?

1213
00:45:23,217 --> 00:45:23,984
NO.

1214
00:45:23,984 --> 00:45:25,419
LOOK... LOOK, IF WE WANTED TO

1215
00:45:25,419 --> 00:45:27,288
COOK THE BOOKS, IF YOU WANTED TO

1216
00:45:27,288 --> 00:45:28,689
COOK THE BOOKS, ALL YOU NEEDED

1217
00:45:28,689 --> 00:45:31,325
TO DO WAS SAY "IRAQ WAS DIRECTLY

1218
00:45:31,325 --> 00:45:33,027
INVOLVED IN 9/11."

1219
00:45:33,027 --> 00:45:34,795
GAME, SET, MATCH POINT, OVER.

1220
00:45:34,795 --> 00:45:36,529
WE NEVER DID THAT.

1221
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:38,364
SO WE WERE WRONG, AND WE HAVE TO

1222
00:45:38,364 --> 00:45:40,166
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

1223
00:45:40,166 --> 00:45:41,735
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,

1224
00:45:41,735 --> 00:45:42,869
POLICYMAKERS NEED TO BE A LITTLE

1225
00:45:42,869 --> 00:45:44,104
BIT MORE FORTHCOMING ABOUT WHAT

1226
00:45:44,104 --> 00:45:46,706
THEIR OWN MOTIVATIONS WERE-- IN

1227
00:45:46,706 --> 00:45:48,374
THIS INSTANCE, PERHAPS, HOW TO

1228
00:45:48,374 --> 00:45:53,680
REMAKE THE MIDDLE EAST.

1229
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,013
Narrator: THE WAR RAGES ON

1230
00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:59,218
FOR EIGHT YEARS, SOWING CHAOS

1231
00:45:59,218 --> 00:46:01,320
AND DESTRUCTION...

1232
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,125
NO ELECTRICITY, NO WATER,

1233
00:46:09,828 --> 00:46:11,630
EVERYBODY IS SUFFERING.

1234
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:14,465
MY COUNTRY, NOT BRITISH OR

1235
00:46:14,465 --> 00:46:18,302
AMERICAN.

1236
00:46:21,539 --> 00:46:22,707
Narrator: ...AND LEAVING

1237
00:46:22,707 --> 00:46:27,912
NEARLY 5,000 AMERICANS DEAD,

1238
00:46:27,912 --> 00:46:32,582
30,000 WOUNDED AND HUNDREDS OF

1239
00:46:32,582 --> 00:46:36,987
THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS KILLED.

1240
00:46:45,061 --> 00:46:50,332
AN INTELLIGENCE FAILURE SUCH

1241
00:46:50,332 --> 00:46:54,804
AS THAT THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2003

1242
00:46:54,804 --> 00:46:58,440
CHANGES HISTORY.

1243
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,608
Narrator: RISING FROM THE

1244
00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,911
ASHES OF IRAQ, A TERROR GROUP

1245
00:47:01,911 --> 00:47:06,081
KNOWN AS ISIS.

1246
00:47:06,081 --> 00:47:08,183
RUTHLESS AND BARBARIC, THEY WILL

1247
00:47:08,183 --> 00:47:09,717
BE A FORMIDABLE ENEMY IN THE

1248
00:47:09,717 --> 00:47:13,888
YEARS AHEAD.

1249
00:47:17,792 --> 00:47:20,028
BUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF 9/11,

1250
00:47:20,028 --> 00:47:21,362
THE C.I.A. FACES A MORE

1251
00:47:21,362 --> 00:47:23,598
IMMEDIATE THREAT: AL QAEDA IS

1252
00:47:23,598 --> 00:47:26,700
POISED TO STRIKE AMERICA AGAIN.

1253
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,268
WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO BE HIT

1254
00:47:28,268 --> 00:47:29,303
AGAIN.

1255
00:47:29,303 --> 00:47:31,305
EVERYTHING THAT WE HOLD DEAR WAS

1256
00:47:31,305 --> 00:47:33,207
AT RISK.

1257
00:47:33,207 --> 00:47:35,843
THE GREATEST WORRY WAS IF

1258
00:47:35,843 --> 00:47:38,178
THEY WERE THAT COMMITTED TO THE

1259
00:47:38,178 --> 00:47:40,881
ATTACK THAT TOOK PLACE ON 9/11,

1260
00:47:40,881 --> 00:47:42,683
AND THEY HAD THAT MUCH HATE IN

1261
00:47:42,683 --> 00:47:44,184
THEM, WOULD THEY RESORT TO A

1262
00:47:44,184 --> 00:47:46,419
NUCLEAR WEAPON SOMEPLACE?

1263
00:47:46,419 --> 00:47:48,254
AFTER 9/11, WE RECEIVED A

1264
00:47:48,254 --> 00:47:50,089
REPORT FROM A FOREIGN SERVICE

1265
00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:52,491
THAT SAID THAT IN AUGUST OF

1266
00:47:52,491 --> 00:47:56,229
2001, BIN LADEN AND ZAWAHIRI SAT

1267
00:47:56,229 --> 00:47:58,464
AT A CAMPFIRE WITH PAKISTANI

1268
00:47:58,464 --> 00:48:00,833
NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS REPRESENTING

1269
00:48:00,833 --> 00:48:03,436
A NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION.

1270
00:48:03,436 --> 00:48:05,837
THESE NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS HAD

1271
00:48:05,837 --> 00:48:08,206
TALKED TO AL QAEDA ABOUT THE

1272
00:48:08,206 --> 00:48:10,242
PRACTICALITIES OF DEVELOPING A

1273
00:48:10,242 --> 00:48:12,344
NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY.

1274
00:48:12,344 --> 00:48:15,780
THE PAKISTANIS SAID, "WELL, YOU

1275
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:17,115
KNOW, THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS

1276
00:48:17,115 --> 00:48:18,350
IS ACQUIRING THE FISSILE

1277
00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:19,718
MATERIAL."

1278
00:48:19,718 --> 00:48:21,219
AND THEN, BIN LADEN LOOKED AT

1279
00:48:21,219 --> 00:48:22,686
HIM AND SAID, "WELL, WHAT MAKES

1280
00:48:22,686 --> 00:48:24,321
YOU THINK WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE

1281
00:48:24,321 --> 00:48:27,958
IT?"

1282
00:48:27,958 --> 00:48:29,126
Narrator: THE C.I.A. BELIEVES

1283
00:48:29,126 --> 00:48:31,395
BIN LADEN HAS THE DESIGN,

1284
00:48:31,395 --> 00:48:35,366
MATERIALS AND TARGET FOR A

1285
00:48:35,366 --> 00:48:37,301
NUCLEAR WEAPON.

1286
00:48:37,301 --> 00:48:39,203
WE BEGAN TO RECEIVE REPORTING

1287
00:48:39,203 --> 00:48:40,604
THAT AL QAEDA HAD PLACED A

1288
00:48:40,604 --> 00:48:43,840
NUCLEAR WEAPON IN NEW YORK CITY.

1289
00:48:49,779 --> 00:48:51,014
Narrator: INTELLIGENCE POINTS

1290
00:48:51,014 --> 00:48:54,751
TO SUBWAYS, BUILDINGS, BRIDGES--

1291
00:48:54,751 --> 00:48:57,854
ALL TARGETED FOR DESTRUCTION AND

1292
00:48:57,854 --> 00:48:59,388
CHILLING EVIDENCE THAT THE EAST

1293
00:48:59,388 --> 00:49:01,623
COAST OF AMERICA WAS NOT THE

1294
00:49:01,623 --> 00:49:04,326
ONLY TARGET AL QAEDA HAD CHOSEN.

1295
00:49:04,326 --> 00:49:08,130
THE 9/11 PLOT HAD ALSO A PLOT

1296
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:10,799
TO ATTACK THE WEST COAST OF THE

1297
00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:13,735
U.S. SIMULTANEOUSLY USING

1298
00:49:13,735 --> 00:49:19,040
AIRPLANES HIJACKED FROM ASIA.

1299
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,476
BIN LADEN TURNED DOWN THIS PART

1300
00:49:22,476 --> 00:49:23,844
OF THE OPERATION BECAUSE HE

1301
00:49:23,844 --> 00:49:26,180
CONSIDERED IT TOO COMPLICATED.

1302
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,882
Narrator: BUT NOW, THAT PLOT

1303
00:49:27,882 --> 00:49:29,550
TO ATTACK AMERICA'S WEST COAST

1304
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:32,053
IS GIVEN NEW LIFE.

1305
00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:34,822
THE C.I.A. GOES INTO OVERDRIVE,

1306
00:49:34,822 --> 00:49:36,324
KNOWING THAT THE COST OF ANOTHER

1307
00:49:36,324 --> 00:49:38,625
9/11 WOULD BE BEYOND

1308
00:49:38,625 --> 00:49:41,094
MEASUREMENT.

1309
00:49:41,094 --> 00:49:42,996
THIS PERIOD OF TIME, WITH

1310
00:49:42,996 --> 00:49:44,364
WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THEIR

1311
00:49:44,364 --> 00:49:45,932
INTEREST IN WEAPONS OF MASS

1312
00:49:45,932 --> 00:49:47,867
DESTRUCTION AND WHAT WE KNEW

1313
00:49:47,867 --> 00:49:49,970
ABOUT THE CONVENTIONAL THREATS

1314
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:51,671
THAT WE WERE SEEING EVERY DAY

1315
00:49:51,671 --> 00:49:53,606
MADE IT FEEL AS IF WE WERE

1316
00:49:53,606 --> 00:49:56,008
LIVING A TICKING TIME BOMB EVERY

1317
00:49:56,008 --> 00:49:58,210
SINGLE DAY FOR A PERIOD OF THREE

1318
00:49:58,210 --> 00:50:01,046
YEARS.

1319
00:50:09,121 --> 00:50:17,161
THEY NEVER STOPPED PLOTTING

1320
00:50:20,264 --> 00:50:21,632
AGAINST US.

1321
00:50:21,632 --> 00:50:23,735
WE CAPTURED PEOPLE ALL ALONG FOR

1322
00:50:23,735 --> 00:50:25,403
THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AND THERE

1323
00:50:25,403 --> 00:50:29,741
WAS ALWAYS A PLOT INVOLVED.

1324
00:50:34,311 --> 00:50:36,346
RASHID RAUF WAS THE PAKISTANI

1325
00:50:36,346 --> 00:50:38,915
END OF A PLOT GOING ON IN GREAT

1326
00:50:38,915 --> 00:50:40,584
BRITAIN CALLED THE WIDE-BODY

1327
00:50:40,584 --> 00:50:42,386
PLOT-- INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT

1328
00:50:42,386 --> 00:50:45,088
ATTACK, MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS ON

1329
00:50:45,088 --> 00:50:47,124
MULTIPLE WIDE-BODIES ALMOST

1330
00:50:47,124 --> 00:50:49,192
SIMULTANEOUSLY FLYING OUT OF

1331
00:50:49,192 --> 00:50:51,227
GREAT BRITAIN TO A VARIETY OF

1332
00:50:51,227 --> 00:50:52,728
CITIES IN NORTH AMERICA.

1333
00:50:52,728 --> 00:50:55,965
CAN YOU IMAGINE TEN AIRPLANES

1334
00:50:55,965 --> 00:50:57,566
FULL OF INNOCENT PEOPLE

1335
00:50:57,566 --> 00:51:00,036
DISAPPEARING EN ROUTE TO CITIES

1336
00:51:00,036 --> 00:51:01,404
LIKE NEW YORK, WASHINGTON,

1337
00:51:01,404 --> 00:51:04,140
MIAMI, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES,

1338
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:05,775
MONTREAL?

1339
00:51:05,775 --> 00:51:09,210
IT WOULD HAVE RIVALED 9/11.

1340
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:10,045
Narrator: BRITISH

1341
00:51:10,045 --> 00:51:13,481
INTELLIGENCE, MI5, TRACKS RASHID

1342
00:51:13,481 --> 00:51:16,684
RAUF'S AL QAEDA CELL, HIS PLANS

1343
00:51:16,684 --> 00:51:19,921
AND HIS IMPROVISED WEAPONS OF

1344
00:51:19,921 --> 00:51:21,256
DESTRUCTION.

1345
00:51:21,256 --> 00:51:23,124
THEY HAD GATHERED UP AN AWFUL

1346
00:51:23,124 --> 00:51:25,026
LOT OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE IN A

1347
00:51:25,026 --> 00:51:26,861
HOMEMADE RECIPE, TURN IT INTO AN

1348
00:51:26,861 --> 00:51:28,228
EXPLOSIVE AND THEN PUT IT INTO

1349
00:51:28,228 --> 00:51:29,696
SPORTS BOTTLES.

1350
00:51:29,696 --> 00:51:31,165
SO WE HAD GREAT CONCERN ON OUR

1351
00:51:31,165 --> 00:51:32,900
SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC ABOUT

1352
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,035
"LET'S BREAK THIS UP."

1353
00:51:35,035 --> 00:51:36,837
THE BRITISH WANTED TO BUILD UP

1354
00:51:36,837 --> 00:51:38,338
AS MUCH PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AS

1355
00:51:38,338 --> 00:51:40,641
POSSIBLE, SO WE'RE SAYING, "THEY

1356
00:51:40,641 --> 00:51:42,743
BOUGHT THE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE."

1357
00:51:42,743 --> 00:51:44,244
AND THEY'RE SAYING, "WE NEED TO

1358
00:51:44,244 --> 00:51:46,879
BUILD UP MORE EVIDENCE."

1359
00:51:46,879 --> 00:51:49,015
THE PLOTTERS HAD ALREADY

1360
00:51:49,015 --> 00:51:52,318
SELECTED THE TEN FLIGHTS THEY

1361
00:51:52,318 --> 00:51:55,455
WERE GOING TO BLOW UP, AND I

1362
00:51:55,455 --> 00:51:57,623
SAID TO MYSELF, "THIS IS

1363
00:51:57,623 --> 00:52:01,327
IMMINENT."

1364
00:52:03,529 --> 00:52:04,397
Narrator: WITH THE LONDON

1365
00:52:04,397 --> 00:52:06,832
PLOT HEATING UP, RAUF IS IN

1366
00:52:06,832 --> 00:52:11,369
PAKISTAN AND SO IS THE C.I.A.

1367
00:52:11,369 --> 00:52:12,804
SO, NOW I'M ON A TRIP IN

1368
00:52:12,804 --> 00:52:16,241
PAKISTAN IN AUGUST 2006 WITH MY

1369
00:52:16,241 --> 00:52:17,776
HEAD OF THE NATIONAL CLANDESTINE

1370
00:52:17,776 --> 00:52:23,347
SERVICE, JOSE RODRIGUEZ.

1371
00:52:23,347 --> 00:52:26,083
I WAS CALLED IN BY THE CHIEF

1372
00:52:26,083 --> 00:52:28,219
OF PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE AND

1373
00:52:28,219 --> 00:52:30,621
TOLD, "WE MAY HAVE A CHANCE TO

1374
00:52:30,621 --> 00:52:38,195
CAPTURE RAUF TONIGHT.

1375
00:52:38,195 --> 00:52:39,830
HE'S GOING TO GO FROM POINT A TO

1376
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:42,866
POINT B, AND IN BETWEEN THERE IS

1377
00:52:42,866 --> 00:52:44,367
A POLICE CHECKPOINT.

1378
00:52:44,367 --> 00:52:46,936
WE CAN STOP THE BUS, AND WE CAN

1379
00:52:46,936 --> 00:52:49,906
GRAB HIM."

1380
00:52:49,906 --> 00:52:51,541
OUR HEADQUARTERS PERSONNEL HAD

1381
00:52:51,541 --> 00:52:54,744
PLEDGED TO MI5 THAT VERY DAY

1382
00:52:54,744 --> 00:52:59,115
THAT WE WOULD NOT CAPTURE RAUF,

1383
00:52:59,115 --> 00:53:00,849
AND I WAS TOLD THAT PRIME

1384
00:53:00,849 --> 00:53:03,852
MINISTER BLAIR HAD SPOKEN WITH

1385
00:53:03,852 --> 00:53:05,487
PRESIDENT BUSH THAT DAY, AND

1386
00:53:05,487 --> 00:53:06,755
THEY HAD AGREED THAT THEY NEEDED

1387
00:53:06,755 --> 00:53:08,857
MORE TIME.

1388
00:53:12,427 --> 00:53:14,196
I WAS SITTING IN THE CAR WITH

1389
00:53:14,196 --> 00:53:15,931
CHIEF OF STATION.

1390
00:53:15,931 --> 00:53:18,167
HE GETS A CALL SAYING, "THE BUS

1391
00:53:18,167 --> 00:53:20,001
IS COMING.

1392
00:53:20,001 --> 00:53:23,237
WE NEED AUTHORIZATION TO GO IN."

1393
00:53:23,237 --> 00:53:24,872
AND THE CHIEF OF STATION TURNS

1394
00:53:24,872 --> 00:53:28,476
TO ME AND SAYS, "WHAT DO WE DO,

1395
00:53:28,476 --> 00:53:30,511
BOSS?"

1396
00:53:33,581 --> 00:53:35,283
SO JOSE, IN A VERY SHORT

1397
00:53:35,283 --> 00:53:36,984
PERIOD OF TIME, HAS TO MAKE A

1398
00:53:36,984 --> 00:53:39,586
REALLY BIG DECISION.

1399
00:53:41,688 --> 00:53:44,591
IF I TOOK THE TIME TO CALL

1400
00:53:44,591 --> 00:53:46,560
HEADQUARTERS, IT WOULD BE THE

1401
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,129
EQUIVALENT OF SAYING NO TO THE

1402
00:53:49,129 --> 00:53:51,798
OPERATION.

1403
00:53:59,905 --> 00:54:01,840
HAD AIRPLANES FALLEN FROM THE

1404
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,642
SKY, I COULD SEE MYSELF BEING

1405
00:54:03,642 --> 00:54:05,544
HAULED UP TO THE CONGRESS.

1406
00:54:05,544 --> 00:54:06,812
"LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, MR.

1407
00:54:06,812 --> 00:54:08,581
RODRIGUEZ.

1408
00:54:08,581 --> 00:54:11,584
YOU HAD A TERRORIST THAT WANTED

1409
00:54:11,584 --> 00:54:14,220
TO BLOW UP U.S. AIRLINERS WITHIN

1410
00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:16,888
YOUR GRASP AND YOU DID NOT MAKE

1411
00:54:16,888 --> 00:54:18,890
A DECISION?

1412
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:20,458
OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!"

1413
00:54:20,458 --> 00:54:22,060
THE DECISION HE MADE WAS, "I

1414
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:23,661
CAN'T PASS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO

1415
00:54:23,661 --> 00:54:25,029
GRAB RASHID RAUF."

1416
00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:26,364
SO HE DOES.

1417
00:54:26,364 --> 00:54:29,734
WE STOPPED A MAJOR ATTACK

1418
00:54:29,734 --> 00:54:31,502
AGAINST US.

1419
00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:33,670
SINCE THEN, OF COURSE, WE CAN'T

1420
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:35,072
TAKE MORE THAN-- WHAT IS IT--

1421
00:54:35,072 --> 00:54:38,942
3.6 FLUID OUNCES ON AIRPLANES,

1422
00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:41,878
BUT THAT'S A SMALL PRICE TO PAY.

1423
00:54:44,348 --> 00:54:45,015
Narrator: THE PLOTS KEEP

1424
00:54:45,015 --> 00:54:47,684
COMING, WITH OSAMA BIN LADEN

1425
00:54:47,684 --> 00:54:49,353
STILL AT LARGE.

1426
00:54:49,353 --> 00:54:50,520
WHERE THE HELL WAS THIS GUY

1427
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,755
THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE ENEMY?

1428
00:54:52,755 --> 00:54:54,924
EVERY LEAD LED NOWHERE FOR

1429
00:54:54,924 --> 00:54:57,159
ALMOST TEN YEARS, AND IT WAS

1430
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:58,894
PRETTY FRUSTRATING.

1431
00:54:58,894 --> 00:55:01,330
BUT THEN WE HAD AN INDICATION

1432
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:05,434
FROM JORDAN THERE WAS A DOCTOR,

1433
00:55:05,434 --> 00:55:07,236
THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET

1434
00:55:07,236 --> 00:55:09,372
HIM IN TO PAKISTAN HE MIGHT...

1435
00:55:09,372 --> 00:55:11,840
HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEAD US TO

1436
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,276
ZAWAHIRI, WHO WAS THE SECOND IN

1437
00:55:14,276 --> 00:55:16,378
COMMAND.

1438
00:55:16,378 --> 00:55:17,445
Narrator: THE C.I.A. BELIEVES

1439
00:55:17,445 --> 00:55:18,947
IT HAS STRUCK GOLD.

1440
00:55:18,947 --> 00:55:21,416
HUMAM AL-BALAWI, A JORDANIAN

1441
00:55:21,416 --> 00:55:23,818
DOCTOR, NOW PROMISES TO LEAD

1442
00:55:23,818 --> 00:55:26,955
THEM TO THE MOTHER LODE.

1443
00:55:26,955 --> 00:55:28,523
HE HAD BEEN A JIHADIST.

1444
00:55:28,523 --> 00:55:30,124
THE JORDANIAN INTELLIGENCE

1445
00:55:30,124 --> 00:55:32,192
OPERATION THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN

1446
00:55:32,192 --> 00:55:34,094
SUCCESSFUL IN FLIPPING HIM.

1447
00:55:34,094 --> 00:55:35,496
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT

1448
00:55:35,496 --> 00:55:37,164
AND, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW,

1449
00:55:37,164 --> 00:55:38,899
OFFICERS WHO SPENT THEIR WHOLE

1450
00:55:38,899 --> 00:55:41,001
LIFE IN INTELLIGENCE AND WORKING

1451
00:55:41,001 --> 00:55:42,903
ON THESE KINDS OF ISSUES FELT

1452
00:55:42,903 --> 00:55:44,772
THAT, "BOY, THIS MIGHT BE A BIG

1453
00:55:44,772 --> 00:55:46,707
BREAK."

1454
00:55:46,707 --> 00:55:47,974
Narrator: C.I.A. OFFICERS

1455
00:55:47,974 --> 00:55:49,542
LIKE 30-YEAR-OLD ELIZABETH

1456
00:55:49,542 --> 00:55:51,511
HANSON AND STATION CHIEF

1457
00:55:51,511 --> 00:55:53,913
JENNIFER MATTHEWS, A 20-YEAR

1458
00:55:53,913 --> 00:55:55,748
AGENCY VETERAN.

1459
00:55:55,748 --> 00:55:57,083
JENNIFER MATTHEWS WAS IN

1460
00:55:57,083 --> 00:55:58,885
CHARGE OF THE OFFICERS WHO WERE

1461
00:55:58,885 --> 00:56:00,019
THERE.

1462
00:56:00,019 --> 00:56:00,987
I WOULDN'T HAVE HESITATED A

1463
00:56:00,987 --> 00:56:04,123
MOMENT TO PUT HER INTO THAT

1464
00:56:04,123 --> 00:56:06,191
POSITION BECAUSE OF HER

1465
00:56:06,191 --> 00:56:07,859
CAPABILITY AND HER PROVEN

1466
00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:09,061
RECORD.

1467
00:56:09,061 --> 00:56:11,196
JENNIFER I MET IN THE LATE

1468
00:56:11,196 --> 00:56:13,832
1990s WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE

1469
00:56:13,832 --> 00:56:15,600
COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER.

1470
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,903
WE WERE BOTH WORKING ON

1471
00:56:17,903 --> 00:56:19,471
UNDERSTANDING THE SUPPORT

1472
00:56:19,471 --> 00:56:20,872
NETWORK TO AL QAEDA IN

1473
00:56:20,872 --> 00:56:23,742
AFGHANISTAN, AND WE WERE ALSO

1474
00:56:23,742 --> 00:56:25,443
PREGNANT AT THE SAME TIME,

1475
00:56:25,443 --> 00:56:26,544
MULTIPLE TIMES.

1476
00:56:26,544 --> 00:56:27,712
SHE HAD THREE CHILDREN.

1477
00:56:27,712 --> 00:56:31,248
HER THREE TRACKED WITH MY... MY

1478
00:56:31,248 --> 00:56:33,150
THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH.

1479
00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:35,286
SHE WAS CHASING BIN LADEN

1480
00:56:35,286 --> 00:56:37,154
BEFORE CHASING BIN LADEN WAS

1481
00:56:37,154 --> 00:56:39,056
COOL, AND SHE HAD ACTUALLY BASED

1482
00:56:39,056 --> 00:56:41,192
HER PROFESSIONAL CAREER ON

1483
00:56:41,192 --> 00:56:43,360
TRACKING AL QAEDA AND

1484
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,498
IDENTIFYING ITS ADHERENTS.

1485
00:56:48,498 --> 00:56:49,466
Narrator: BUT TO GET TO

1486
00:56:49,466 --> 00:56:51,634
OSAMA BIN LADEN, MATTHEWS AND

1487
00:56:51,634 --> 00:56:53,703
HER C.I.A. TEAM WANT A

1488
00:56:53,703 --> 00:56:55,538
FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH

1489
00:56:55,538 --> 00:56:57,340
AL-BALAWI.

1490
00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:58,875
IT'S A GAMBLE THAT MUST BE

1491
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:01,543
APPROVED BY DIRECTOR PANETTA.

1492
00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:03,145
WE AT THE C.I.A. FELT WE HAD

1493
00:57:03,145 --> 00:57:05,547
TO ESTABLISH OUR OWN CREDIBILITY

1494
00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,149
WITH THIS GUY, AND, TO DO THAT,

1495
00:57:07,149 --> 00:57:08,317
YOU REALLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH

1496
00:57:08,317 --> 00:57:10,886
HIM AND DO A MEETING TO REALLY

1497
00:57:10,886 --> 00:57:12,855
GAIN SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHO

1498
00:57:12,855 --> 00:57:15,791
WE'RE DEALING WITH.

1499
00:57:18,961 --> 00:57:21,295
THE VEHICLE COMES IN TO THE

1500
00:57:21,295 --> 00:57:22,430
BASE.

1501
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:23,631
THEY BROUGHT HIM THROUGH SOME OF

1502
00:57:23,631 --> 00:57:25,233
THE CHECKPOINTS.

1503
00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:27,301
THEY MAKE THE DECISION THAT THEY

1504
00:57:27,301 --> 00:57:29,170
ARE ALL GOING TO GO OUT TO GREET

1505
00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:30,438
HIM.

1506
00:57:30,438 --> 00:57:31,205
ONE OF THE MISTAKES THAT WAS

1507
00:57:31,205 --> 00:57:32,874
MADE WAS THERE WAS NO BODY

1508
00:57:32,874 --> 00:57:33,474
SEARCH.

1509
00:57:33,474 --> 00:57:34,675
THERE WAS NO CHECK.

1510
00:57:34,675 --> 00:57:37,011
THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD SHOW

1511
00:57:37,011 --> 00:57:39,646
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE

1512
00:57:39,646 --> 00:57:41,548
FRIENDLY AND THAT THEY WERE ALL

1513
00:57:41,548 --> 00:57:43,216
ANXIOUS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH

1514
00:57:43,216 --> 00:57:45,719
HIM.

1515
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,187
Narrator: BUT AL-BALAWI IS

1516
00:57:47,187 --> 00:57:49,990
NOT ABOUT TO TURN INTO A C.I.A.

1517
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:51,458
SPY.

1518
00:57:51,458 --> 00:57:52,526
WE WILL BEAT YOU, C.I.A.

1519
00:57:52,526 --> 00:57:53,527
TEAM.

1520
00:57:53,527 --> 00:57:54,895
INSHALLAH, WE WILL BEAT YOU

1521
00:57:54,895 --> 00:57:55,762
DOWN.

1522
00:57:55,762 --> 00:57:57,096
DON'T THINK THAT YOU JUST

1523
00:57:57,096 --> 00:57:58,364
PRESSING A BUTTON, KILLING

1524
00:57:58,364 --> 00:58:00,032
MUJAHIDEEN, YOU ARE SAFE.

1525
00:58:00,032 --> 00:58:02,268
INSHALLAH, DEATH WILL COME TO

1526
00:58:02,268 --> 00:58:03,068
YOU.

1527
00:58:03,068 --> 00:58:04,003
Narrator: THIS IS THE VIDEO

1528
00:58:04,003 --> 00:58:06,605
HE MADE LAYING OUT HIS PLANS,

1529
00:58:06,605 --> 00:58:09,275
HIS MARTYR SUICIDE VIDEO.

1530
00:58:09,275 --> 00:58:10,876
LOOK, THIS IS FOR YOU.

1531
00:58:10,876 --> 00:58:12,211
IT'S NOT WATCH.

1532
00:58:12,211 --> 00:58:14,680
IT'S DETONATOR TO KILL AS MUCH

1533
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,114
AS I CAN, INSHALLAH.

1534
00:58:16,114 --> 00:58:17,615
THIS IS MY JOB, TO KILL YOU.

1535
00:58:17,615 --> 00:58:18,750
Narrator: AL-BALAWI IS AN AL

1536
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:22,921
QAEDA AGENT READY TO KILL, READY

1537
00:58:22,921 --> 00:58:24,289
TO DIE.

1538
00:58:24,289 --> 00:58:25,190
AND YOU WILL BE SENT TO THE

1539
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:26,891
HELL.

1540
00:58:26,891 --> 00:58:28,660
HIS HANDS WERE HIDDEN.

1541
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:29,861
THEY DEMANDED THAT HE TAKE HIS

1542
00:58:29,861 --> 00:58:31,196
HANDS OUT.

1543
00:58:31,196 --> 00:58:33,665
THEY KEPT YELLING AT HIM.

1544
00:58:33,665 --> 00:58:38,235
AND BEFORE THEY KNEW IT, HE HAD

1545
00:58:38,235 --> 00:58:41,772
DETONATED HIS SUICIDE VEST.

1546
00:58:44,475 --> 00:58:46,376
IT BLEW UP EVERYONE WHO WAS IN

1547
00:58:46,376 --> 00:58:48,545
THE AREA, AND THE BALL BEARINGS

1548
00:58:48,545 --> 00:58:50,047
FROM THE VEST ACTUALLY WENT

1549
00:58:50,047 --> 00:58:52,082
UNDER THE VEHICLE AND TORE THE

1550
00:58:52,082 --> 00:58:54,784
LEGS OF SEVERAL OTHER OFFICERS

1551
00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,385
WHO WERE THERE SO THAT ALMOST

1552
00:58:56,385 --> 00:58:58,354
EVERYBODY WHO WAS IN THAT

1553
00:58:58,354 --> 00:59:00,823
SEMICIRCLE WAS WOUNDED OR

1554
00:59:00,823 --> 00:59:02,892
KILLED.

1555
00:59:05,828 --> 00:59:08,598
IT WAS A VERY, VERY GRIM

1556
00:59:08,598 --> 00:59:11,900
REMINDER ABOUT JUST HOW MUCH OUR

1557
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:15,337
OFFICERS PUT THEMSELVES AT RISK.

1558
00:59:15,337 --> 00:59:18,473
THAT WAS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE

1559
00:59:18,473 --> 00:59:21,109
LOSS FOR THE AGENCY AND REALLY,

1560
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:23,945
REALLY SHOOK IT.

1561
00:59:23,945 --> 00:59:24,813
Narrator: SEVEN C.I.A.

1562
00:59:24,813 --> 00:59:28,383
OFFICERS ARE DEAD, INCLUDING

1563
00:59:28,383 --> 00:59:32,219
ELIZABETH HANSON AND HER FRIEND,

1564
00:59:32,219 --> 00:59:35,890
JENNIFER MATTHEWS.

1565
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:37,758
I HAVE ONE MEMORY OF JENNIFER

1566
00:59:37,758 --> 00:59:40,060
THAT IS THE ONE I CHOOSE TO

1567
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:41,629
RECALL.

1568
00:59:41,629 --> 00:59:42,730
ONE TIME, JENNIFER AND I WERE

1569
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:45,633
TRAVELING OVERSEAS, AND WE WERE

1570
00:59:45,633 --> 00:59:49,836
IN A TINY LITTLE BEAT-UP CAR.

1571
00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:51,704
SHE HAS THE RADIO UP, ALL

1572
00:59:51,704 --> 00:59:53,373
CRACKLY AND HORRIBLE.

1573
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:56,543
BUT YOU HEAR THE UNMISTAKABLE

1574
00:59:56,543 --> 00:59:59,245
PIANO INTRO TO GLORIA GAYNOR'S

1575
00:59:59,245 --> 01:00:01,748
"I WILL SURVIVE," WHICH ANY

1576
01:00:01,748 --> 01:00:03,883
WOMAN CAN TELL YOU IS ONE OF OUR

1577
01:00:03,883 --> 01:00:05,451
ANTHEMS.

1578
01:00:05,451 --> 01:00:08,086
AND JENNIFER CRANKS THAT RADIO

1579
01:00:08,086 --> 01:00:10,822
ALL THE WAY UP, BELTING OUT, "AS

1580
01:00:10,822 --> 01:00:12,324
LONG AS I KNOW HOW TO LOVE, I

1581
01:00:12,324 --> 01:00:14,393
KNOW I WILL SURVIVE," JUST

1582
01:00:14,393 --> 01:00:16,261
DANCING.

1583
01:00:16,261 --> 01:00:18,096
AS LONG AS I KNOW HOW TO LOVE

1584
01:00:18,096 --> 01:00:20,165
I KNOW I'LL STAY ALIVE

1585
01:00:20,165 --> 01:00:22,834
THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER HER

1586
01:00:22,834 --> 01:00:24,770
LIVING, LARGER THAN LIFE.

1587
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:28,105
SHE JUST WAS ALL HEART.

1588
01:00:28,105 --> 01:00:30,007
AS MUCH AS AL QAEDA THINKS THEY

1589
01:00:30,007 --> 01:00:32,109
DESTROYED HER THAT DAY, THEY

1590
01:00:32,109 --> 01:00:37,381
MADE HER IMMORTAL.

1591
01:00:37,381 --> 01:00:39,884
SHE WILL ALWAYS SURVIVE.

1592
01:00:47,991 --> 01:00:50,660
IT WAS VERY PERSONAL,

1593
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:52,329
PERSONAL FOR ME, PERSONAL FOR

1594
01:00:52,329 --> 01:00:55,231
THE OTHER OFFICERS AT THE C.I.A.

1595
01:00:55,231 --> 01:00:56,600
Narrator: IT ISN'T LONG

1596
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,001
BEFORE LEON PANETTA MAKES THAT

1597
01:00:58,001 --> 01:01:00,270
LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISION, CALLING

1598
01:01:00,270 --> 01:01:02,372
IN A DEADLY DRONE STRIKE ON THE

1599
01:01:02,372 --> 01:01:04,974
MASTERMIND OF THAT SUICIDE

1600
01:01:04,974 --> 01:01:07,509
BOMBING-- THE STRIKE THAT ALSO

1601
01:01:07,509 --> 01:01:09,645
KILLED HIS FAMILY.

1602
01:01:09,645 --> 01:01:10,479
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST

1603
01:01:10,479 --> 01:01:13,949
CONSEQUENCE WAS THAT THE GUT

1604
01:01:13,949 --> 01:01:19,221
FEELING IN EVERY OFFICERS' INNER

1605
01:01:19,221 --> 01:01:23,725
BEING THAT THAT THEIR GOAL WAS

1606
01:01:23,725 --> 01:01:27,128
TO GO AFTER THE LEADERSHIP OF AL

1607
01:01:27,128 --> 01:01:29,964
QAEDA.

1608
01:01:34,068 --> 01:01:35,737
WE NEEDED TO GET REAL-TIME

1609
01:01:35,737 --> 01:01:37,772
INFORMATION AS FAST AS WE

1610
01:01:37,772 --> 01:01:39,340
POSSIBLY COULD TO PROTECT THE

1611
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:40,907
COUNTRY AND ENSURE THERE WASN'T

1612
01:01:40,907 --> 01:01:43,777
ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE HOMELAND.

1613
01:01:43,777 --> 01:01:45,212
Narrator: THE C.I.A. UNDER

1614
01:01:45,212 --> 01:01:46,980
GEORGE TENET NOW EMBARKS ON A

1615
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:48,715
CONTROVERSIAL INTERROGATION

1616
01:01:48,715 --> 01:01:51,218
PROGRAM THAT WILL COME BACK TO

1617
01:01:51,218 --> 01:01:54,821
HAUNT IT, ONE THAT BEGINS WITH A

1618
01:01:54,821 --> 01:01:57,758
SINGLE PRISONER.

1619
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:01,827
ABU ZUBAYDAH WAS A MAJOR

1620
01:02:01,827 --> 01:02:03,562
TERRORIST FACILITATOR AND

1621
01:02:03,562 --> 01:02:05,598
PLANNER ON THE PART OF AL QAEDA.

1622
01:02:05,598 --> 01:02:07,800
WE BELIEVED THAT HE HAD

1623
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,335
IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT

1624
01:02:09,335 --> 01:02:12,438
INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.

1625
01:02:16,308 --> 01:02:18,543
AND THROUGH AN INCREDIBLY

1626
01:02:18,543 --> 01:02:21,413
DIFFICULT TARGETING EFFORT, WE

1627
01:02:21,413 --> 01:02:24,215
WERE ABLE TO FINALLY CAPTURE HIM

1628
01:02:24,215 --> 01:02:27,819
IN MARCH OF 2002.

1629
01:02:29,921 --> 01:02:31,389
THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT AND ABU

1630
01:02:31,389 --> 01:02:34,292
ZUBAYDAH IS SEVERELY WOUNDED, SO

1631
01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:37,828
WE NEEDED TO TAKE HIM SOMEWHERE

1632
01:02:37,828 --> 01:02:39,930
WHERE WE COULD INTERROGATE HIM

1633
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:41,865
OURSELVES, AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC

1634
01:02:41,865 --> 01:02:46,003
LIGHT.

1635
01:02:46,003 --> 01:02:47,538
WE NEEDED A PLACE TO TALK TO

1636
01:02:47,538 --> 01:02:48,739
THEM.

1637
01:02:48,739 --> 01:02:50,507
WHERE'S THAT GOING TO BE?

1638
01:02:50,507 --> 01:02:51,809
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT A

1639
01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,310
JAILHOUSE IN PAKISTAN, YOU'RE

1640
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:55,011
GOING TO GET A HUGELY BAD

1641
01:02:55,011 --> 01:02:56,479
OUTCOME BECAUSE: A, NOTHING'S

1642
01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:57,980
GOING TO BE SECRET AND PROBABLY

1643
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:59,148
NOBODY IS GOING TO SURVIVE THE

1644
01:02:59,148 --> 01:03:00,516
SESSION, PLUS THERE WILL BE A

1645
01:03:00,516 --> 01:03:01,718
RIOT ON THE MAIN STREET IN ABOUT

1646
01:03:01,718 --> 01:03:05,655
15 MINUTES.

1647
01:03:05,655 --> 01:03:06,856
SHOULD WE BRING THEM BACK TO

1648
01:03:06,856 --> 01:03:08,091
THE UNITED STATES?

1649
01:03:08,091 --> 01:03:09,292
GIVE THEM THE FULL PROTECTION OF

1650
01:03:09,292 --> 01:03:11,194
THE U.S. CONSTITUTION?

1651
01:03:11,194 --> 01:03:13,929
ALLOW THEM TO HAVE LAWYERS

1652
01:03:13,929 --> 01:03:15,731
PRESENT TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS

1653
01:03:15,731 --> 01:03:16,932
AS IF THEY WERE AMERICAN

1654
01:03:16,932 --> 01:03:17,999
CITIZENS?

1655
01:03:17,999 --> 01:03:19,067
I'D LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU

1656
01:03:19,067 --> 01:03:20,135
GOING TO TELL THE DIRECTOR OF

1657
01:03:20,135 --> 01:03:25,607
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE TO DO?

1658
01:03:25,607 --> 01:03:26,408
Narrator: IN ORDER TO

1659
01:03:26,408 --> 01:03:27,976
INTERROGATE THEIR PRISONERS, THE

1660
01:03:27,976 --> 01:03:29,678
C.I.A. CREATES A NETWORK OF

1661
01:03:29,678 --> 01:03:33,681
SO-CALLED BLACK SITES, SECRET

1662
01:03:33,681 --> 01:03:35,416
PRISONS THAT EVENTUALLY WILL

1663
01:03:35,416 --> 01:03:37,618
HOLD AT LEAST 119 SUSPECTED AL

1664
01:03:37,618 --> 01:03:41,021
QAEDA TERRORISTS.

1665
01:03:43,324 --> 01:03:45,626
IN CHARGE OF THE SITES IS JOSE

1666
01:03:45,626 --> 01:03:47,561
RODRIGUEZ.

1667
01:03:47,561 --> 01:03:49,063
THE BLACK SITES WERE

1668
01:03:49,063 --> 01:03:52,132
INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US GAIN

1669
01:03:52,132 --> 01:03:55,034
VERY INVALUABLE INFORMATION.

1670
01:03:55,034 --> 01:03:56,336
SOME CRITICS MIGHT SAY,

1671
01:03:56,336 --> 01:03:57,904
"WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU WANTED

1672
01:03:57,904 --> 01:03:59,506
TO BE ABLE TO ABUSE THIS GUY.

1673
01:03:59,506 --> 01:04:00,740
YOU DIDN'T WANT ANY RULES.

1674
01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:01,574
YOU WANTED TO..."

1675
01:04:01,574 --> 01:04:03,042
WELL, THAT'S...

1676
01:04:03,042 --> 01:04:03,643
"...TORTURE THE GUY."

1677
01:04:03,643 --> 01:04:04,177
THAT'S BULLSHIT.

1678
01:04:04,177 --> 01:04:06,212
WE GET ACCUSED BY HUMAN RIGHT

1679
01:04:06,212 --> 01:04:10,015
ACTIVISTS THAT WE CREATED THIS

1680
01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:11,750
BLACK SITE IN ORDER TO ABUSE

1681
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:12,751
PEOPLE.

1682
01:04:12,751 --> 01:04:17,256
IN FACT, BY ACCEPTING PRISONERS,

1683
01:04:17,256 --> 01:04:19,191
WE ACTUALLY BECAME RESPONSIBLE

1684
01:04:19,191 --> 01:04:21,960
FOR THEM, FOR THEIR HEALTH, FOR

1685
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,964
THEM TOTALLY.

1686
01:04:29,167 --> 01:04:31,602
ABU ZUBAYDAH HAD PROVIDED SOME

1687
01:04:31,602 --> 01:04:34,071
EARLY USEFUL INFORMATION, AND

1688
01:04:34,071 --> 01:04:36,674
THEN HE STOPPED TALKING.

1689
01:04:36,674 --> 01:04:38,176
GEORGE TENET WAS GOING TO THE

1690
01:04:38,176 --> 01:04:39,710
WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY AND THE

1691
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:41,579
PRESIDENT WAS ASKING GEORGE,

1692
01:04:41,579 --> 01:04:44,115
"WHAT IS ABU ZUBAYDAH SAYING

1693
01:04:44,115 --> 01:04:45,715
ABOUT THE SECOND WAVE OF ATTACKS

1694
01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:46,783
AND ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER

1695
01:04:46,783 --> 01:04:47,651
PROGRAMS?"

1696
01:04:47,651 --> 01:04:48,718
WELL, HE WAS NOT SAYING

1697
01:04:48,718 --> 01:04:51,021
ANYTHING, AND WE KNEW WE HAD TO

1698
01:04:51,021 --> 01:04:52,689
DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

1699
01:04:52,689 --> 01:04:54,991
AND OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS OF

1700
01:04:54,991 --> 01:04:57,994
2002 PUT TOGETHER WHAT BECAME

1701
01:04:57,994 --> 01:04:59,396
THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION

1702
01:04:59,396 --> 01:05:04,433
PROGRAM.

1703
01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:05,968
Narrator: TO RUN ITS PROGRAM,

1704
01:05:05,968 --> 01:05:07,169
THE C.I.A. HIRES TWO

1705
01:05:07,169 --> 01:05:08,504
PSYCHOLOGISTS WHO HAD TRAINED

1706
01:05:08,504 --> 01:05:10,406
U.S. AIRMEN TO RESIST ENEMY

1707
01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:11,607
TORTURE.

1708
01:05:11,607 --> 01:05:12,842
THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN

1709
01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:14,710
INTERROGATION AND NO KNOWLEDGE

1710
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:17,079
OF AL QAEDA, BUT THEIR COMPANY

1711
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,548
IS PAID A STAGGERING SUM OF $81

1712
01:05:19,548 --> 01:05:23,918
MILLION.

1713
01:05:23,918 --> 01:05:24,919
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT

1714
01:05:24,919 --> 01:05:26,554
"JUST HAVE TEA WITH THE GUY AND

1715
01:05:26,554 --> 01:05:28,423
ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF RAPPORT."

1716
01:05:28,423 --> 01:05:29,991
I GET IT.

1717
01:05:29,991 --> 01:05:33,094
I GET THAT IF YOU'VE GOT TIME.

1718
01:05:33,094 --> 01:05:34,562
WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME.

1719
01:05:34,562 --> 01:05:35,730
WE NEEDED TO ACCELERATE THE

1720
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:38,867
PROCESS.

1721
01:05:38,867 --> 01:05:40,101
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TO

1722
01:05:40,101 --> 01:05:42,402
MOVE INDIVIDUALS FROM A ZONE OF

1723
01:05:42,402 --> 01:05:44,738
DEFIANCE INTO A ZONE OF

1724
01:05:44,738 --> 01:05:47,007
COOPERATION, AND THEN THE

1725
01:05:47,007 --> 01:05:50,711
INTELLIGENCE GATHERING BEGAN.

1726
01:05:53,113 --> 01:05:54,381
Narrator: UNDER C.I.A.

1727
01:05:54,381 --> 01:05:56,250
SUPERVISION, DETAINEES WOULD BE

1728
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:59,086
SLAPPED AND GRABBED; DEPRIVED OF

1729
01:05:59,086 --> 01:06:02,722
SLEEP; FORCED ONTO LIQUID DIETS;

1730
01:06:02,722 --> 01:06:04,824
EVEN CONFINED IN A COFFIN-LIKE

1731
01:06:04,824 --> 01:06:09,929
BOX WITH LIVE INSECTS.

1732
01:06:09,929 --> 01:06:11,464
THERE WAS NUDITY.

1733
01:06:11,464 --> 01:06:12,965
THERE WAS WATER DOUSING, CRAMPED

1734
01:06:12,965 --> 01:06:15,635
CONFINEMENT, STRESS POSITIONS.

1735
01:06:15,635 --> 01:06:16,702
Narrator: AND THEN THERE IS A

1736
01:06:16,702 --> 01:06:18,403
TECHNIQUE MADE INFAMOUS BY

1737
01:06:18,403 --> 01:06:21,139
HOLLYWOOD: WATERBOARDING.

1738
01:06:21,139 --> 01:06:22,707
WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME YOU

1739
01:06:22,707 --> 01:06:24,209
SAW BIN LADEN?

1740
01:06:24,209 --> 01:06:25,911
WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW

1741
01:06:25,911 --> 01:06:28,413
BIN LADEN, HUH?

1742
01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:30,982
WHEN YOU LIE TO ME, I HURT YOU.

1743
01:06:30,982 --> 01:06:32,884
THE OPENING SCENE OF "ZERO

1744
01:06:32,884 --> 01:06:35,186
DARK THIRTY," WHERE YOU SEE ALL

1745
01:06:35,186 --> 01:06:38,088
THESE PRISONERS BEING ABUSED BY

1746
01:06:38,088 --> 01:06:41,959
C.I.A. OFFICERS, SPONTANEOUS

1747
01:06:41,959 --> 01:06:44,261
WATERBOARDING WITH A PAIL--

1748
01:06:44,261 --> 01:06:47,197
TOTAL BULLSHIT.

1749
01:06:47,197 --> 01:06:48,899
MADE UP STUFF.

1750
01:06:48,899 --> 01:06:50,834
WATERBOARDING AS PRACTICED BY

1751
01:06:50,834 --> 01:06:53,904
THE CHINESE, THE NAZIS, THE

1752
01:06:53,904 --> 01:06:57,140
SPANISH INQUISITION IS TORTURE

1753
01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:59,175
AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TORTURE.

1754
01:06:59,175 --> 01:07:00,543
BUT THE WATERBOARDING THAT WAS

1755
01:07:00,543 --> 01:07:03,579
APPLIED WAS DIFFERENT, OKAY.

1756
01:07:03,579 --> 01:07:04,781
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT?

1757
01:07:04,781 --> 01:07:06,149
IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT

1758
01:07:06,149 --> 01:07:07,383
DOESN'T USE AS MUCH WATER.

1759
01:07:07,383 --> 01:07:14,089
THEY DON'T DROWN ANYBODY.

1760
01:07:14,089 --> 01:07:16,191
THE BODY RESPONDS AS IF THE

1761
01:07:16,191 --> 01:07:18,093
BODY THINKS ITS DROWNING.

1762
01:07:18,093 --> 01:07:19,594
AM I HAPPY WE HAD TO DO IT?

1763
01:07:19,594 --> 01:07:21,363
OF COURSE NOT.

1764
01:07:21,363 --> 01:07:23,966
WE HAD DOCTORS THERE TO MAKE

1765
01:07:23,966 --> 01:07:26,835
SURE THAT NO HARM CAME TO THE

1766
01:07:26,835 --> 01:07:27,970
INDIVIDUAL.

1767
01:07:27,970 --> 01:07:30,639
I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE HOW

1768
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,709
UNPLEASANT THIS TECHNIQUE WAS.

1769
01:07:34,709 --> 01:07:36,844
IT IS NOT TORTURE.

1770
01:07:36,844 --> 01:07:38,346
YOU KNOW, LAWYERS LOOKED AT

1771
01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:39,447
THIS.

1772
01:07:39,447 --> 01:07:40,681
HAD THEY SAID, THIS IS TORTURE,

1773
01:07:40,681 --> 01:07:42,283
WE WOULD NOT DO IT.

1774
01:07:42,283 --> 01:07:43,651
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT

1775
01:07:43,651 --> 01:07:47,755
HAPPENS HERE IS THESE TECHNIQUES

1776
01:07:47,755 --> 01:07:49,290
AND THE PROPOSAL TO USE THESE

1777
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:51,491
TECHNIQUES ON ANY HUMAN BEING

1778
01:07:51,491 --> 01:07:52,759
ARE SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF

1779
01:07:52,759 --> 01:07:54,060
JUSTICE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE

1780
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,695
WANT TO KNOW THAT IT IS LEGAL

1781
01:07:55,695 --> 01:07:57,897
UNDER U.S. LAW AND DOES NOT IN

1782
01:07:57,897 --> 01:08:00,033
ANY WAY COMPROMISE OUR ADHERENCE

1783
01:08:00,033 --> 01:08:01,267
TO INTERNATIONAL TORTURE

1784
01:08:01,267 --> 01:08:02,102
STATUTES.

1785
01:08:02,102 --> 01:08:03,336
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE

1786
01:08:03,336 --> 01:08:05,405
UNITED STATES TOLD US THAT IT

1787
01:08:05,405 --> 01:08:06,539
DID NOT.

1788
01:08:06,539 --> 01:08:08,541
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT

1789
01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:09,775
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

1790
01:08:09,775 --> 01:08:11,543
STATES AUTHORIZED THESE

1791
01:08:11,543 --> 01:08:12,878
TECHNIQUES.

1792
01:08:12,878 --> 01:08:13,979
THE PRESIDENT READ THE MEMO,

1793
01:08:13,979 --> 01:08:15,114
LOOKED AT THE TECHNIQUES AND

1794
01:08:15,114 --> 01:08:16,281
DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO TAKE TWO

1795
01:08:16,281 --> 01:08:17,649
TECHNIQUES OFF THE TABLE

1796
01:08:17,649 --> 01:08:18,617
HIMSELF.

1797
01:08:18,617 --> 01:08:20,019
I DO NOT KNOW NOR DO I RECALL

1798
01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:21,320
WHAT TECHNIQUES WERE TAKEN OFF

1799
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,488
THE TABLE.

1800
01:08:22,488 --> 01:08:24,223
ONLY THREE DETAINEES WERE

1801
01:08:24,223 --> 01:08:25,824
EVER WATERBOARDED, BY THE WAY.

1802
01:08:25,824 --> 01:08:28,426
THREE KILLERS THAT HAD AMERICAN

1803
01:08:28,426 --> 01:08:29,360
BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS WERE

1804
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,762
WATERBOARDED BY US.

1805
01:08:30,762 --> 01:08:32,230
GIVE ME A BREAK.

1806
01:08:32,230 --> 01:08:37,802
GIVE ME A BREAK.

1807
01:08:37,802 --> 01:08:39,137
Narrator: BUT THERE ARE SOME

1808
01:08:39,137 --> 01:08:42,273
INSIDE THE C.I.A. WHO HAVE GRAVE

1809
01:08:42,273 --> 01:08:46,276
DOUBTS.

1810
01:08:46,276 --> 01:08:47,377
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THOSE

1811
01:08:47,377 --> 01:08:50,113
TECHNIQUES THAT I PERSONALLY

1812
01:08:50,113 --> 01:08:54,918
FELT WERE INAPPROPRIATE, NOT

1813
01:08:54,918 --> 01:09:00,824
NECESSARY, BEYOND THE PALE.

1814
01:09:00,824 --> 01:09:02,592
I WAS NOT IN THE... IN THE CHAIN

1815
01:09:02,592 --> 01:09:03,860
OF COMMAND, BUT I WAS A C.I.A.

1816
01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:04,327
OFFICER.

1817
01:09:04,327 --> 01:09:05,361
I WAS A SENIOR C.I.A. OFFICER AT

1818
01:09:05,361 --> 01:09:07,630
THE TIME, AND I HAD EXPRESSED

1819
01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:13,269
MY... MY DISCOMFORT AND MY... MY

1820
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:16,272
CONCERNS ABOUT THESE TECHNIQUES,

1821
01:09:16,272 --> 01:09:17,506
BELIEVING THAT THEY WERE GOING

1822
01:09:17,506 --> 01:09:21,143
TO COME BACK TO HAUNT US, THE

1823
01:09:21,143 --> 01:09:22,445
C.I.A.

1824
01:09:22,445 --> 01:09:24,379
I DID THAT WITH INDIVIDUALS,

1825
01:09:24,379 --> 01:09:25,914
COLLEAGUES AT THE AGENCY.

1826
01:09:25,914 --> 01:09:27,882
DID HE EVER COME AND COMPLAIN

1827
01:09:27,882 --> 01:09:28,883
TO YOU ABOUT THE

1828
01:09:28,883 --> 01:09:29,584
ENHANCED-INTERROGATION

1829
01:09:29,584 --> 01:09:30,418
TECHNIQUES?

1830
01:09:30,418 --> 01:09:31,152
NOPE.

1831
01:09:31,152 --> 01:09:32,253
HE NEVER CAME TO YOU AND

1832
01:09:32,253 --> 01:09:33,688
SAID, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT,

1833
01:09:33,688 --> 01:09:34,689
GEORGE?

1834
01:09:34,689 --> 01:09:35,824
I THINK THIS IS WRONG"?

1835
01:09:35,824 --> 01:09:36,558
NOPE.

1836
01:09:36,558 --> 01:09:37,192
HE NEVER DID?

1837
01:09:37,192 --> 01:09:38,226
NOPE.

1838
01:09:38,226 --> 01:09:40,562
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH I WENT UP

1839
01:09:40,562 --> 01:09:41,795
AND DOWN THE HALLS OF THE C.I.A.

1840
01:09:41,795 --> 01:09:42,629
AND SAID, "WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING

1841
01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:43,297
THIS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING

1842
01:09:43,297 --> 01:09:43,864
THIS."

1843
01:09:43,864 --> 01:09:45,365
LOOKING BACK ON IT NOW, SHOULD I

1844
01:09:45,365 --> 01:09:48,001
HAVE SPOKEN OUT MORE LOUDLY

1845
01:09:48,001 --> 01:09:49,670
ABOUT IT?

1846
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:51,605
MAYBE.

1847
01:09:51,605 --> 01:09:54,641
I THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT.

1848
01:09:54,641 --> 01:09:56,777
NOW YOU SAY THAT THIS PROGRAM

1849
01:09:56,777 --> 01:09:58,812
WAS CAREFULLY MANAGED.

1850
01:09:58,812 --> 01:10:00,114
YES.

1851
01:10:00,114 --> 01:10:01,714
DID ANYBODY DIE?

1852
01:10:01,714 --> 01:10:03,950
AT THE BEGINNING OF 2002 WHEN

1853
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:06,986
WE STARTED TO TAKE PRISONERS, WE

1854
01:10:06,986 --> 01:10:08,521
JUST DID NOT KNOW WHAT WE WERE

1855
01:10:08,521 --> 01:10:09,522
DOING.

1856
01:10:09,522 --> 01:10:10,923
WE ARE NOT JAILERS.

1857
01:10:10,923 --> 01:10:13,159
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SKILLS.

1858
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,895
AND ABUSES WERE MADE, AND WE

1859
01:10:15,895 --> 01:10:17,530
HAVE 'FESSED UP TO THOSE.

1860
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:18,564
EARLY ON IN THE PROGRAM,

1861
01:10:18,564 --> 01:10:19,764
THERE WERE TERRIBLE MISTAKES

1862
01:10:19,764 --> 01:10:20,365
MADE.

1863
01:10:20,365 --> 01:10:21,666
THERE WERE IMMEDIATE JUSTICE

1864
01:10:21,666 --> 01:10:23,001
DEPARTMENT REFERRALS MADE.

1865
01:10:23,001 --> 01:10:24,236
AND TWO PEOPLE DID DIE, AND IT'S

1866
01:10:24,236 --> 01:10:26,371
REGRETTABLE.

1867
01:10:26,371 --> 01:10:27,639
Narrator: ONE DETAINEE,

1868
01:10:27,639 --> 01:10:29,074
SEVERELY INJURED DURING HIS

1869
01:10:29,074 --> 01:10:31,143
CAPTURE, IS LEFT UNTREATED

1870
01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:33,011
DURING A C.I.A. INTERROGATION AT

1871
01:10:33,011 --> 01:10:36,982
AN IRAQI PRISON AND DIES.

1872
01:10:36,982 --> 01:10:39,383
ANOTHER IS SHACKLED HALF-NAKED

1873
01:10:39,383 --> 01:10:41,986
ON A COLD FLOOR AT A C.I.A.

1874
01:10:41,986 --> 01:10:45,022
BLACK SITE IN AFGHANISTAN.

1875
01:10:45,022 --> 01:10:51,195
HE IS FOUND DEAD OF HYPOTHERMIA.

1876
01:10:51,195 --> 01:10:52,696
NO CHARGES ARE EVER BROUGHT

1877
01:10:52,696 --> 01:10:55,132
AGAINST THE OFFICERS INVOLVED.

1878
01:10:55,132 --> 01:10:57,934
IT'S AWFUL THAT THOSE THINGS

1879
01:10:57,934 --> 01:11:00,336
HAPPEN, BUT HAPPEN... SHIT

1880
01:11:00,336 --> 01:11:01,437
HAPPENS, YOU KNOW.

1881
01:11:01,437 --> 01:11:02,739
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT

1882
01:11:02,739 --> 01:11:04,140
WAR.

1883
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:07,777
THE FOG OF WAR.

1884
01:11:07,777 --> 01:11:08,845
Narrator: SOME C.I.A.

1885
01:11:08,845 --> 01:11:10,113
OFFICERS WHO WITNESS THE

1886
01:11:10,113 --> 01:11:13,316
INTERROGATIONS ARE SO DISTURBED

1887
01:11:13,316 --> 01:11:18,387
THEY BREAK DOWN IN TEARS.

1888
01:11:18,387 --> 01:11:19,655
MY PERSONAL VIEW IS, "THANK

1889
01:11:19,655 --> 01:11:22,524
GOD," ALL RIGHT?

1890
01:11:22,524 --> 01:11:24,426
I WOULD NOT WANT ANYONE IN THAT

1891
01:11:24,426 --> 01:11:26,361
ROOM DOING THIS TO ANOTHER HUMAN

1892
01:11:26,361 --> 01:11:28,630
BEING IF THEY WERE NOT

1893
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:31,600
EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED BY WHAT IT

1894
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,536
WAS THEY FELT THEY HAD TO DO.

1895
01:11:35,536 --> 01:11:37,772
LOOK, HE'S A TERRORIST, BUT HE'S

1896
01:11:37,772 --> 01:11:40,708
ALSO A PERSON, AND I WOULD NEVER

1897
01:11:40,708 --> 01:11:43,711
WANT AGENCY OFFICERS TO FORGET

1898
01:11:43,711 --> 01:11:47,381
BOTH REALITIES.

1899
01:11:52,452 --> 01:11:53,954
Narrator: GEORGE TENET SAYS

1900
01:11:53,954 --> 01:11:55,722
THAT ABU ZUBAYDAH, HIS

1901
01:11:55,722 --> 01:11:57,691
RESISTANCE WEAKENED, GIVES UP A

1902
01:11:57,691 --> 01:11:59,292
VALUABLE LEAD TO THE WHEREABOUTS

1903
01:11:59,292 --> 01:12:01,361
OF AN AL QAEDA TERRORIST SECOND

1904
01:12:01,361 --> 01:12:03,697
IN IMPORTANCE ONLY TO OSAMA BIN

1905
01:12:03,697 --> 01:12:07,267
LADEN HIMSELF.

1906
01:12:07,267 --> 01:12:09,536
KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED, THE

1907
01:12:09,536 --> 01:12:11,337
ARCHITECT OF 9/11, WAS CAPTURED

1908
01:12:11,337 --> 01:12:13,272
AS A RESULT OF AN ELABORATE

1909
01:12:13,272 --> 01:12:15,274
HUMAN OPERATION THAT WAS

1910
01:12:15,274 --> 01:12:17,843
INFORMED BY DATA THAT

1911
01:12:17,843 --> 01:12:22,214
INTERROGATED DETAINEES GAVE US.

1912
01:12:22,214 --> 01:12:23,916
WE TOOK HIM TO A BLACK SITE

1913
01:12:23,916 --> 01:12:25,184
WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE

1914
01:12:25,184 --> 01:12:27,386
OPPORTUNITY TO DEBRIEF HIM ON

1915
01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:29,287
WHAT HE KNEW ABOUT THREATS

1916
01:12:29,287 --> 01:12:33,091
AGAINST OUR HOMELAND.

1917
01:12:33,091 --> 01:12:37,228
HE WAS SMART, SCARY SMART.

1918
01:12:37,228 --> 01:12:38,863
HANNIBAL LECTER.

1919
01:12:38,863 --> 01:12:40,632
PURE EVIL.

1920
01:12:40,632 --> 01:12:43,668
THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL THAT IS

1921
01:12:43,668 --> 01:12:47,904
ABLE TO DREAM UP DIFFERENT WAYS

1922
01:12:47,904 --> 01:12:51,041
OF KILLING US.

1923
01:12:51,041 --> 01:12:52,676
WE ASKED HIM, "WHAT DO YOU KNOW

1924
01:12:52,676 --> 01:12:55,712
ABOUT PLOTS AGAINST THE U.S.?"

1925
01:12:55,712 --> 01:12:57,481
AND HIS ANSWER WAS, "SOON YOU

1926
01:12:57,481 --> 01:13:00,350
WILL KNOW," WHICH WAS A CHILLING

1927
01:13:00,350 --> 01:13:04,021
RESPONSE BECAUSE WE ALSO KNEW

1928
01:13:04,021 --> 01:13:05,622
THAT HE WAS PLANNING A SECOND

1929
01:13:05,622 --> 01:13:09,659
WAVE OF ATTACKS.

1930
01:13:09,659 --> 01:13:11,294
MY NAME IS DANIEL PEARL.

1931
01:13:11,294 --> 01:13:12,895
I'M A JEWISH AMERICAN.

1932
01:13:12,895 --> 01:13:15,631
HE EVENTUALLY CONFESSED TO

1933
01:13:15,631 --> 01:13:18,734
THE KILLING OF DANIEL PEARL, THE

1934
01:13:18,734 --> 01:13:22,104
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTER.

1935
01:13:22,104 --> 01:13:23,272
AND IT WAS LIKE A MATTER OF

1936
01:13:23,272 --> 01:13:24,806
FACT.

1937
01:13:24,806 --> 01:13:27,442
HE SAID, "LOOK, I KILLED HIM.

1938
01:13:27,442 --> 01:13:29,878
I SLAUGHTERED HIM, CUT HIM INTO

1939
01:13:29,878 --> 01:13:31,379
PIECES.

1940
01:13:31,379 --> 01:13:35,684
I PUT HIM IN A SHALLOW GRAVE."

1941
01:13:35,684 --> 01:13:37,652
HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A

1942
01:13:37,652 --> 01:13:39,888
PROBLEM WITH WATERBOARDING.

1943
01:13:39,888 --> 01:13:43,857
HE WITHSTOOD WATERBOARDING.

1944
01:13:43,857 --> 01:13:47,795
KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED KNEW THAT

1945
01:13:47,795 --> 01:13:49,897
IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE WOULD STOP

1946
01:13:49,897 --> 01:13:51,799
AT TEN SECONDS, AND HE WOULD

1947
01:13:51,799 --> 01:13:53,534
COUNT WITH HIS FINGERS.

1948
01:13:53,534 --> 01:13:56,904
HE WOULD GO AND THEN LOOK AT US

1949
01:13:56,904 --> 01:13:58,472
LIKE, "YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S TIME

1950
01:13:58,472 --> 01:13:59,840
TO STOP."

1951
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,841
HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE

1952
01:14:01,841 --> 01:14:04,944
ACCUMULATION OF TECHNIQUES...

1953
01:14:04,944 --> 01:14:07,046
AND I THINK SLEEP DEPRIVATION

1954
01:14:07,046 --> 01:14:10,483
FINALLY LED HIM TO BECOME

1955
01:14:10,483 --> 01:14:12,051
COMPLIANT.

1956
01:14:12,051 --> 01:14:13,553
AFTERWARDS, HE WOULDN'T STOP

1957
01:14:13,553 --> 01:14:16,756
TALKING.

1958
01:14:16,756 --> 01:14:18,024
Narrator: WATERBOARDED AND

1959
01:14:18,024 --> 01:14:19,726
SLEEP-DEPRIVED, KHALID SHEIK

1960
01:14:19,726 --> 01:14:21,426
MUHAMMED WOULD INADVERTENTLY

1961
01:14:21,426 --> 01:14:22,961
HELP POINT THE C.I.A. TO ITS

1962
01:14:22,961 --> 01:14:24,963
ULTIMATE TARGET: OSAMA BIN

1963
01:14:24,963 --> 01:14:26,198
LADEN.

1964
01:14:26,198 --> 01:14:27,799
IT WAS ONLY WHEN A NUMBER OF

1965
01:14:27,799 --> 01:14:30,769
DETAINEES AFTER INTERROGATION

1966
01:14:30,769 --> 01:14:33,105
REVEALED THAT INDEED BIN LADEN

1967
01:14:33,105 --> 01:14:34,373
HAD SENT A MESSAGE TO HIS

1968
01:14:34,373 --> 01:14:35,807
OPERATIONS CHIEF VIA THIS

1969
01:14:35,807 --> 01:14:37,642
COURIER THAT FLAGGED THIS

1970
01:14:37,642 --> 01:14:39,910
COURIER AND CAUSED HIM TO RISE

1971
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:41,212
TO THE TOP OF THE MANY

1972
01:14:41,212 --> 01:14:42,613
CANDIDATES OF PEOPLE WE COULD

1973
01:14:42,613 --> 01:14:43,748
FOLLOW.

1974
01:14:43,748 --> 01:14:45,850
WE THEN RAISED ABU AHMED AL

1975
01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:48,352
KUWAITI AS A NAME TO KHALID

1976
01:14:48,352 --> 01:14:49,754
SHEIK MOHAMMED, WHO, AT THAT

1977
01:14:49,754 --> 01:14:50,821
POINT, HAD BECOME LARGELY

1978
01:14:50,821 --> 01:14:51,689
COOPERATIVE.

1979
01:14:51,689 --> 01:14:52,957
AND THEN, SINCE WE'VE GOT THE

1980
01:14:52,957 --> 01:14:55,926
PLACE WIRED, WE HEAR K.S.M. TELL

1981
01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:58,027
OTHER DETAINEES, "DON'T TALK

1982
01:14:58,027 --> 01:14:59,396
ABOUT THE COURIER."

1983
01:14:59,396 --> 01:15:01,164
AND OUR FOLKS IN THE BIN LADEN

1984
01:15:01,164 --> 01:15:04,667
CELL GO AFTER ABU AHMED ONE

1985
01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,970
GRAIN OF SAND AT A TIME,

1986
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:09,072
IDENTIFY HIM AND FOLLOW HIM

1987
01:15:09,072 --> 01:15:12,675
EVENTUALLY TO ABBOTTABAD.

1988
01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:17,679
Narrator: THE MISSION THAT

1989
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,515
WOULD KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN--

1990
01:15:19,515 --> 01:15:21,784
OPERATION NEPTUNE SPEAR-- WOULD

1991
01:15:21,784 --> 01:15:24,219
BE A C.I.A. COVERT OPERATION,

1992
01:15:24,219 --> 01:15:25,587
THE CHAIN OF COMMAND GOING

1993
01:15:25,587 --> 01:15:27,389
STRAIGHT FROM THE PRESIDENT TO

1994
01:15:27,389 --> 01:15:29,491
C.I.A. DIRECTOR PANETTA TO THE

1995
01:15:29,491 --> 01:15:31,326
NAVY SEALS.

1996
01:15:31,326 --> 01:15:33,128
TONIGHT, I CAN REPORT TO THE

1997
01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,430
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO THE WORLD

1998
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:36,798
THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS

1999
01:15:36,798 --> 01:15:38,132
CONDUCTED AN OPERATION THAT

2000
01:15:38,132 --> 01:15:40,535
KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN, THE

2001
01:15:40,535 --> 01:15:42,403
LEADER OF AL QAEDA...

2002
01:15:42,403 --> 01:15:46,841
U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A.!

2003
01:15:46,841 --> 01:15:48,776
HEARING PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE

2004
01:15:48,776 --> 01:15:50,411
GATES OF THE WHITE HOUSE

2005
01:15:50,411 --> 01:15:53,079
CHANTING, "U.S.A., U.S.A.,

2006
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:57,117
C.I.A.," IT WAS SOMETHING THAT

2007
01:15:57,117 --> 01:15:59,085
WILL BE A MEMORY THAT I'LL HAVE

2008
01:15:59,085 --> 01:16:02,389
FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

2009
01:16:08,995 --> 01:16:10,530
THE C.I.A.'S ENHANCED

2010
01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:12,264
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES WERE

2011
01:16:12,264 --> 01:16:14,200
NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GATHER

2012
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,669
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION.

2013
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:18,938
THE C.I.A. PROVIDED INACCURATE

2014
01:16:18,938 --> 01:16:21,607
INFORMATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE,

2015
01:16:21,607 --> 01:16:23,609
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,

2016
01:16:23,609 --> 01:16:24,543
CONGRESS.

2017
01:16:24,543 --> 01:16:27,079
THE C.I.A. PROGRAM WAS FAR MORE

2018
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:29,281
BRUTAL THAN PEOPLE WERE LED TO

2019
01:16:29,281 --> 01:16:32,851
BELIEVE.

2020
01:16:32,851 --> 01:16:34,285
THE COUNTRY DESERVED A

2021
01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:35,620
THOUGHTFUL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT

2022
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:36,888
HAPPENED IN THE IMMEDIATE YEARS

2023
01:16:36,888 --> 01:16:38,156
AFTER 9/11.

2024
01:16:38,156 --> 01:16:40,625
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GOT.

2025
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:42,227
THEY DID THINGS WHICH I

2026
01:16:42,227 --> 01:16:44,062
REALLY CONSIDER IMMORAL.

2027
01:16:44,062 --> 01:16:45,363
C.I.A. INTERROGATORS USED

2028
01:16:45,363 --> 01:16:47,131
BRUTAL TECHNIQUES THAT WENT WELL

2029
01:16:47,131 --> 01:16:48,799
BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THE LAW.

2030
01:16:48,799 --> 01:16:50,033
SOME OF THESE PRACTICES

2031
01:16:50,033 --> 01:16:51,368
AMOUNTED TO TORTURE.

2032
01:16:51,368 --> 01:16:52,603
WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO STOP

2033
01:16:52,603 --> 01:16:54,171
SHORT OF TORTURE.

2034
01:16:54,171 --> 01:16:55,372
IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF

2035
01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:57,708
9/11, WE DID SOME THINGS THAT

2036
01:16:57,708 --> 01:16:59,443
WERE WRONG.

2037
01:16:59,443 --> 01:17:00,544
WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS

2038
01:17:00,544 --> 01:17:03,780
THAT WERE RIGHT, BUT WE TORTURED

2039
01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:07,617
SOME FOLKS.

2040
01:17:07,617 --> 01:17:09,018
WE DID SOME THINGS THAT WERE

2041
01:17:09,018 --> 01:17:12,388
CONTRARY TO OUR VALUES.

2042
01:17:12,388 --> 01:17:13,623
Narrator: AFTER A FIVE-YEAR

2043
01:17:13,623 --> 01:17:15,157
INVESTIGATION OF MORE THAN SIX

2044
01:17:15,157 --> 01:17:16,559
MILLION PAGES OF C.I.A.

2045
01:17:16,559 --> 01:17:18,194
DOCUMENTS, THE DEMOCRATIC

2046
01:17:18,194 --> 01:17:19,595
MAJORITY OF THE SENATE SELECT

2047
01:17:19,595 --> 01:17:21,697
COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ISSUES

2048
01:17:21,697 --> 01:17:23,933
A SCATHING INDICTMENT.

2049
01:17:23,933 --> 01:17:25,467
IT SAYS THE AGENCY MISLED

2050
01:17:25,467 --> 01:17:27,435
CONGRESS ABOUT THE BRUTALITY OF

2051
01:17:27,435 --> 01:17:29,237
ITS INTERROGATION PROGRAM AND

2052
01:17:29,237 --> 01:17:30,672
THAT NO EVIDENCE WAS PRODUCED

2053
01:17:30,672 --> 01:17:32,541
THAT DISRUPTED PLOTS OR SAVED

2054
01:17:32,541 --> 01:17:35,377
LIVES.

2055
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:40,415
THE EFFECTIVENESS AND MORALITY

2056
01:17:40,415 --> 01:17:41,816
OF THE PROGRAM WOULD TRIGGER AN

2057
01:17:41,816 --> 01:17:43,718
IMPASSIONED DEBATE AMONG THE

2058
01:17:43,718 --> 01:17:46,420
DIRECTORS.

2059
01:17:46,420 --> 01:17:47,955
PEOPLE ARE THROWING THE WORD

2060
01:17:47,955 --> 01:17:50,558
"TORTURE" AROUND, YOU KNOW, AS

2061
01:17:50,558 --> 01:17:52,059
IF... AS IF WE'RE... WE'RE

2062
01:17:52,059 --> 01:17:57,398
TORTURERS.

2063
01:17:57,398 --> 01:17:59,133
I'M NOT GOING TO EVER ACCEPT THE

2064
01:17:59,133 --> 01:18:00,334
USE OF THE WORD "TORTURE" IN

2065
01:18:00,334 --> 01:18:02,535
FRONT OF WHAT... WHAT HAPPENED

2066
01:18:02,535 --> 01:18:03,503
HERE.

2067
01:18:03,503 --> 01:18:05,171
I'M NOT GOING TO FALL TO THAT.

2068
01:18:05,171 --> 01:18:06,406
IF YOU THINK SOMEBODY KNOWS

2069
01:18:06,406 --> 01:18:07,974
SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP YOU

2070
01:18:07,974 --> 01:18:10,877
SAVE AMERICAN LIVES, HOW FAR

2071
01:18:10,877 --> 01:18:13,513
SHOULD OR COULD YOU GO TO GET

2072
01:18:13,513 --> 01:18:14,881
THAT INFORMATION?

2073
01:18:14,881 --> 01:18:16,616
OF COURSE, THE TERRIBLE WORD

2074
01:18:16,616 --> 01:18:18,351
"TORTURE" COMES TO MIND.

2075
01:18:18,351 --> 01:18:20,086
THE TERM "TORTURE" IS A VERY,

2076
01:18:20,086 --> 01:18:21,453
VERY LOADED WORD.

2077
01:18:21,453 --> 01:18:23,322
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT

2078
01:18:23,322 --> 01:18:25,357
THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN

2079
01:18:25,357 --> 01:18:27,526
ENHANCED INTERROGATION AND

2080
01:18:27,526 --> 01:18:29,962
TORTURE, THE CONVERSATION IS

2081
01:18:29,962 --> 01:18:30,762
OVER.

2082
01:18:30,762 --> 01:18:32,297
YOU CAN SLICE AND DICE THE

2083
01:18:32,297 --> 01:18:34,199
SEMANTICS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT

2084
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:35,100
WAYS.

2085
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:36,902
I THINK IT'S HARD TO NOT

2086
01:18:36,902 --> 01:18:38,403
DESCRIBE SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES

2087
01:18:38,403 --> 01:18:40,504
THAT WERE USED AS TORTURE.

2088
01:18:40,504 --> 01:18:42,640
IF I WERE CAPTURED BY AN

2089
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,575
ADVERSARY AND SOMEBODY SLAPPED

2090
01:18:44,575 --> 01:18:45,943
ME IN THE FACE, WOULD I COME

2091
01:18:45,943 --> 01:18:47,044
BACK AND SAY I WAS TORTURED?

2092
01:18:47,044 --> 01:18:48,079
NO.

2093
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:49,246
IF SOMEBODY WATERBOARDED ME,

2094
01:18:49,246 --> 01:18:50,281
WOULD I COME BACK AND SAY I WAS

2095
01:18:50,281 --> 01:18:51,582
TORTURED?

2096
01:18:51,582 --> 01:18:52,717
YES.

2097
01:18:52,717 --> 01:18:54,051
I THINK IT WAS TORTURE.

2098
01:18:54,051 --> 01:18:58,822
I REALLY DO.

2099
01:18:58,822 --> 01:19:01,024
HISTORY WILL JUDGE US BY OUR

2100
01:19:01,024 --> 01:19:03,326
COMMITMENT TO A JUST SOCIETY

2101
01:19:03,326 --> 01:19:05,128
GOVERNED BY LAW AND THE

2102
01:19:05,128 --> 01:19:07,497
WILLINGNESS TO FACE AN UGLY

2103
01:19:07,497 --> 01:19:12,836
TRUTH AND SAY "NEVER AGAIN."

2104
01:19:12,836 --> 01:19:14,738
I THINK IT IS A HOPELESSLY

2105
01:19:14,738 --> 01:19:16,640
INCORRECT CONCLUSION BASED ON

2106
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,607
FLAWED INFORMATION.

2107
01:19:18,607 --> 01:19:21,110
OUR REVIEW WAS A METICULOUS

2108
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:23,779
AND DETAILED EXAMINATION OF

2109
01:19:23,779 --> 01:19:25,080
RECORDS.

2110
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,215
NONE OF THE PRINCIPALS

2111
01:19:26,215 --> 01:19:27,783
INVOLVED IN THIS WERE

2112
01:19:27,783 --> 01:19:29,151
INTERVIEWED, WHICH IS RATHER

2113
01:19:29,151 --> 01:19:31,053
IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE ALLEGED

2114
01:19:31,053 --> 01:19:34,256
MOTIVE OF THIS STUDY WAS TO FIND

2115
01:19:34,256 --> 01:19:36,524
OUT HOW THIS CAME TO PASS, WHAT

2116
01:19:36,524 --> 01:19:38,026
HAPPENED AND MAKE SURE IT NEVER

2117
01:19:38,026 --> 01:19:39,227
HAPPENS AGAIN.

2118
01:19:39,227 --> 01:19:40,962
ENHANCED INTERROGATION

2119
01:19:40,962 --> 01:19:42,497
TECHNIQUES WITHOUT ANY DOUBT IN

2120
01:19:42,497 --> 01:19:44,699
MY MIND PRODUCED UNIQUE

2121
01:19:44,699 --> 01:19:47,835
INTELLIGENCE THAT STOPPED PLOTS,

2122
01:19:47,835 --> 01:19:49,904
SAVED LIVES, TOOK ADDITIONAL

2123
01:19:49,904 --> 01:19:51,372
SENIOR AL QAEDA OFFICERS OFF THE

2124
01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:52,907
BATTLEFIELD.

2125
01:19:52,907 --> 01:19:54,875
WE TOOK 20 EXAMPLES THAT THE

2126
01:19:54,875 --> 01:19:57,711
C.I.A. ITSELF CLAIMED TO SHOW

2127
01:19:57,711 --> 01:19:59,413
THE SUCCESS OF THESE

2128
01:19:59,413 --> 01:20:02,015
INTERROGATIONS, AND NOT A SINGLE

2129
01:20:02,015 --> 01:20:03,750
CASE HOLDS UP.

2130
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:05,118
THEY ARE VIRTUALLY WRONG IN

2131
01:20:05,118 --> 01:20:08,321
ALL 20 OF THE CASES.

2132
01:20:08,321 --> 01:20:10,424
ONE OF THE 20 CASES IS A

2133
01:20:10,424 --> 01:20:12,025
SENIOR AL QAEDA OPERATIVE

2134
01:20:12,025 --> 01:20:14,427
TELLING US THAT AL QAEDA HAD

2135
01:20:14,427 --> 01:20:17,496
MOVED TO A PARTICULAR CITY IN

2136
01:20:17,496 --> 01:20:20,166
PAKISTAN.

2137
01:20:20,166 --> 01:20:21,734
THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD US BEFORE

2138
01:20:21,734 --> 01:20:22,568
ENHANCED INTERROGATION

2139
01:20:22,568 --> 01:20:23,569
TECHNIQUES.

2140
01:20:23,569 --> 01:20:24,970
AFTER ENHANCED INTERROGATION

2141
01:20:24,970 --> 01:20:26,739
TECHNIQUES, HE ACTUALLY SITS

2142
01:20:26,739 --> 01:20:29,909
DOWN WITH SATELLITE PHOTOGRAPHY

2143
01:20:29,909 --> 01:20:31,576
AND POINTS OUT THE ACTUAL

2144
01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:33,311
BUILDING WHERE SENIOR AL QAEDA

2145
01:20:33,311 --> 01:20:35,947
OPERATIVES ARE, WHICH ALLOWS US

2146
01:20:35,947 --> 01:20:39,150
TO GO AND DEAL WITH THEM.

2147
01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:40,885
THE VALUE IN MY ESTIMATION AS

2148
01:20:40,885 --> 01:20:43,121
I SAT AT MY 5:00 MEETING EVERY

2149
01:20:43,121 --> 01:20:44,489
NIGHT AND AS WE WERE USING THIS

2150
01:20:44,489 --> 01:20:46,257
INFORMATION TO BREAK UP PLOTS,

2151
01:20:46,257 --> 01:20:48,226
CAPTURE LEADERS, STOP FURTHER

2152
01:20:48,226 --> 01:20:49,426
ATTACKS AGAINST THE UNITED

2153
01:20:49,426 --> 01:20:54,865
STATES, WAS ENORMOUSLY HIGH.

2154
01:20:54,865 --> 01:20:56,800
WITHOUT THIS PROGRAM, HEATHROW

2155
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,335
AIRPORT WOULD'VE BEEN BOMBED.

2156
01:20:58,335 --> 01:20:59,636
OTHER FACILITIES IN GREAT

2157
01:20:59,636 --> 01:21:01,205
BRITAIN WOULD'VE BEEN BOMBED.

2158
01:21:01,205 --> 01:21:02,439
BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK WOULD'VE

2159
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:03,574
EXPLODED.

2160
01:21:03,574 --> 01:21:04,775
SUSPENSION BRIDGES WOULD'VE BEEN

2161
01:21:04,775 --> 01:21:08,144
TAKEN DOWN.

2162
01:21:08,144 --> 01:21:09,645
Narrator: AND TENET INSISTS

2163
01:21:09,645 --> 01:21:10,913
THAT INTELLIGENCE FROM THE

2164
01:21:10,913 --> 01:21:12,949
ENHANCED INTERROGATIONS LEADS TO

2165
01:21:12,949 --> 01:21:15,351
THE CAPTURE OF A TERRORIST

2166
01:21:15,351 --> 01:21:17,687
PLANNING A SPECTACULAR ATTACK.

2167
01:21:17,687 --> 01:21:19,589
HE HAD ALREADY RECRUITED 17

2168
01:21:19,589 --> 01:21:22,291
SOUTHEAST ASIANS TO ENGAGE IN AN

2169
01:21:22,291 --> 01:21:23,726
AIRLINE PLOT AGAINST THE WEST

2170
01:21:23,726 --> 01:21:25,194
COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.

2171
01:21:25,194 --> 01:21:26,262
THE VALUE IS...

2172
01:21:26,262 --> 01:21:27,662
THE REPORT SAYS YOU HAD THAT

2173
01:21:27,662 --> 01:21:29,264
INFORMATION FROM OTHER SOURCES.

2174
01:21:29,264 --> 01:21:30,832
THE REPORT IS DEAD WRONG ON

2175
01:21:30,832 --> 01:21:32,768
EVERY ACCOUNT, PERIOD, END OF

2176
01:21:32,768 --> 01:21:35,837
PARAGRAPH.

2177
01:21:40,675 --> 01:21:42,177
THE BIN LADEN OPERATION WOULD

2178
01:21:42,177 --> 01:21:44,012
NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT

2179
01:21:44,012 --> 01:21:45,980
THE COURIER IN QUESTION BEING

2180
01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:47,515
HIGHLIGHTED AS PROMINENTLY AS HE

2181
01:21:47,515 --> 01:21:50,284
WAS BY DETAINEES.

2182
01:21:50,284 --> 01:21:51,051
Narrator: DIRECTOR JOHN

2183
01:21:51,051 --> 01:21:52,853
BRENNAN, WHO WAS TROUBLED BY THE

2184
01:21:52,853 --> 01:21:55,156
BRUTAL TECHNIQUES, SAYS THE JURY

2185
01:21:55,156 --> 01:21:56,724
IS OUT.

2186
01:21:56,724 --> 01:21:57,658
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT

2187
01:21:57,658 --> 01:21:59,360
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHETHER

2188
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,195
OR NOT KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED

2189
01:22:01,195 --> 01:22:02,229
WOULD HAVE PROVIDED THAT

2190
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:04,464
INFORMATION IF HE HAD NOT BEEN

2191
01:22:04,464 --> 01:22:05,498
WATERBOARDED.

2192
01:22:05,498 --> 01:22:07,834
THAT IS UNKNOWABLE BECAUSE THAT

2193
01:22:07,834 --> 01:22:09,302
SCENARIO NEVER HAPPENED.

2194
01:22:09,302 --> 01:22:10,637
DIRECTOR BRENNAN IS A GOOD

2195
01:22:10,637 --> 01:22:11,838
FRIEND OF MINE AND I HAVE THE

2196
01:22:11,838 --> 01:22:12,906
UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM, BUT I

2197
01:22:12,906 --> 01:22:14,607
WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

2198
01:22:14,607 --> 01:22:15,542
WITH THAT.

2199
01:22:15,542 --> 01:22:17,610
I MEAN, THAT STRIKES ME AS A

2200
01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,078
DODGE WRAPPED IN POLITICAL

2201
01:22:19,078 --> 01:22:22,015
CORRECTNESS.

2202
01:22:22,015 --> 01:22:23,148
Narrator: ANSWERS TO SOME OF

2203
01:22:23,148 --> 01:22:24,583
THESE QUESTIONS MIGHT HAVE BEEN

2204
01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:26,985
FOUND BY WATCHING VIDEOTAPE.

2205
01:22:26,985 --> 01:22:28,253
THE WATERBOARDING OF TWO

2206
01:22:28,253 --> 01:22:30,122
PRISONERS WAS ACTUALLY RECORDED,

2207
01:22:30,122 --> 01:22:32,191
BUT THE VIDEOTAPES WERE

2208
01:22:32,191 --> 01:22:34,793
DESTROYED.

2209
01:22:34,793 --> 01:22:36,128
WHILE I WAS STILL THE

2210
01:22:36,128 --> 01:22:37,963
DIRECTOR IN A MORNING BRIEFING,

2211
01:22:37,963 --> 01:22:39,164
AT THE END OF THE BRIEFING,

2212
01:22:39,164 --> 01:22:40,299
SOMEONE SAID, "OH, BY THE WAY,

2213
01:22:40,299 --> 01:22:42,200
THE TAPES WERE DESTROYED."

2214
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,901
AND I ROSE OUT OF MY CHAIR AND

2215
01:22:43,901 --> 01:22:45,303
SAID, "WHAT?"

2216
01:22:45,303 --> 01:22:49,240
MY PRIMARY MOTIVATION IN

2217
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,742
DESTROYING THE TAPES WAS TO

2218
01:22:51,742 --> 01:22:53,878
PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR

2219
01:22:53,878 --> 01:22:54,912
ME.

2220
01:22:54,912 --> 01:22:56,581
THEY SHOWED PEOPLE NAKED, BEING

2221
01:22:56,581 --> 01:23:00,217
WATERBOARDED AND GOING THROUGH

2222
01:23:00,217 --> 01:23:01,318
THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION

2223
01:23:01,318 --> 01:23:02,219
TECHNIQUES.

2224
01:23:02,219 --> 01:23:03,386
JOSE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT

2225
01:23:03,386 --> 01:23:04,087
IT.

2226
01:23:04,087 --> 01:23:05,789
HE LEFT ME IN A HORRIBLE,

2227
01:23:05,789 --> 01:23:07,257
HORRIBLE SPOT.

2228
01:23:07,257 --> 01:23:09,292
MY CONCERN WAS, IT WOULD CAUSE A

2229
01:23:09,292 --> 01:23:10,794
FIRESTORM ON THE HILL

2230
01:23:10,794 --> 01:23:12,896
POLITICALLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY

2231
01:23:12,896 --> 01:23:14,197
WOULD ASSUME THERE WAS SOMETHING

2232
01:23:14,197 --> 01:23:15,899
TO HIDE RATHER THAN SOMETHING TO

2233
01:23:15,899 --> 01:23:16,967
SHOW.

2234
01:23:16,967 --> 01:23:19,468
I KNEW THAT THE TAPES WOULD

2235
01:23:19,468 --> 01:23:21,570
PLAY AS IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE

2236
01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:24,473
ALL PSYCHOPATHS, AND THAT'S

2237
01:23:24,473 --> 01:23:26,976
SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT.

2238
01:23:26,976 --> 01:23:28,878
SO, YOU HAD THE DIRECTOR OF

2239
01:23:28,878 --> 01:23:30,779
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE

2240
01:23:30,779 --> 01:23:32,648
DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A., A MEMBER

2241
01:23:32,648 --> 01:23:34,683
OF CONGRESS ALL SAYING, "WE

2242
01:23:34,683 --> 01:23:35,684
DON'T WANT THESE TAPES

2243
01:23:35,684 --> 01:23:38,453
DESTROYED," AND YOU DID IT.

2244
01:23:38,453 --> 01:23:40,221
NOW I WAS NOT STUPID; I

2245
01:23:40,221 --> 01:23:41,823
DIDN'T ONE DAY DECIDE TO GET OUT

2246
01:23:41,823 --> 01:23:43,858
OF BED AND DESTROY TAPES.

2247
01:23:43,858 --> 01:23:45,593
I GOT APPROVAL TO DO THIS.

2248
01:23:45,593 --> 01:23:47,629
I CONSULTED WITH OUR LAWYERS.

2249
01:23:47,629 --> 01:23:49,697
THE VIDEOTAPES WERE DESTROYED

2250
01:23:49,697 --> 01:23:52,967
SHORTLY AFTER C.I.A. ATTORNEYS

2251
01:23:52,967 --> 01:23:55,702
RAISED CONCERNS THAT CONGRESS

2252
01:23:55,702 --> 01:24:01,608
MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT THE TAPES.

2253
01:24:01,608 --> 01:24:03,844
Narrator: A NECESSARY EVIL OR

2254
01:24:03,844 --> 01:24:09,283
A BETRAYAL OF AMERICAN VALUES?

2255
01:24:09,283 --> 01:24:10,951
SOMEBODY HAS TO STAND UP AND

2256
01:24:10,951 --> 01:24:13,053
BE WILLING TO SAY, "THIS IS NOT

2257
01:24:13,053 --> 01:24:14,954
WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS ABOUT."

2258
01:24:14,954 --> 01:24:16,856
YES, WE'RE FACING A TERRIBLE

2259
01:24:16,856 --> 01:24:18,724
ENEMY, ONE WHO DOESN'T CARE

2260
01:24:18,724 --> 01:24:22,161
ABOUT WHO GETS KILLED, BUT THE

2261
01:24:22,161 --> 01:24:24,330
UNITED STATES IS BETTER THAN

2262
01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:25,564
THAT.

2263
01:24:25,564 --> 01:24:27,066
OUR CONSTITUTION DOES

2264
01:24:27,066 --> 01:24:28,901
PROHIBIT "CRUEL AND UNUSUAL"

2265
01:24:28,901 --> 01:24:30,202
TREATMENT.

2266
01:24:30,202 --> 01:24:32,637
IF IT'S CRUEL, WE SHOULDN'T BE

2267
01:24:32,637 --> 01:24:36,074
DOING IT.

2268
01:24:36,074 --> 01:24:37,943
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE

2269
01:24:37,943 --> 01:24:39,711
PREPARED TO SAY, "MR. PRESIDENT

2270
01:24:39,711 --> 01:24:41,313
YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

2271
01:24:41,313 --> 01:24:42,614
IT'S ILLEGAL."

2272
01:24:42,614 --> 01:24:43,982
LET'S HAVE A C.I.A. DIRECTOR

2273
01:24:43,982 --> 01:24:45,216
BEING INTERVIEWED HERE AFTER THE

2274
01:24:45,216 --> 01:24:47,352
SECOND WAVE AND... AND YOU GET

2275
01:24:47,352 --> 01:24:48,653
TO ASK HIM THE QUESTION, "NOW,

2276
01:24:48,653 --> 01:24:50,821
LOOK, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

2277
01:24:50,821 --> 01:24:54,024
SAID IT WAS LEGAL BUT YET YOU

2278
01:24:54,024 --> 01:24:56,527
REFUSE TO DO IT.

2279
01:24:56,527 --> 01:24:57,561
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR

2280
01:24:57,561 --> 01:24:59,596
DECISION NOW?"

2281
01:24:59,596 --> 01:25:01,065
AND SO LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT

2282
01:25:01,065 --> 01:25:02,366
THIS IS THE FORCES OF LIGHT AND

2283
01:25:02,366 --> 01:25:03,934
FORCES OF DARKNESS.

2284
01:25:03,934 --> 01:25:05,402
THESE ARE TWO DAMN UGLY

2285
01:25:05,402 --> 01:25:08,639
DECISIONS.

2286
01:25:16,212 --> 01:25:17,313
AS THE COMMANDER OF THE

2287
01:25:17,313 --> 01:25:18,915
MULTINATIONAL FORCE IN IRAQ, WE

2288
01:25:18,915 --> 01:25:21,651
ACTUALLY HAD 27,000 DETAINEES AT

2289
01:25:21,651 --> 01:25:23,586
THE HIGH WATERMARK OF OUR

2290
01:25:23,586 --> 01:25:26,489
OPERATIONS.

2291
01:25:31,393 --> 01:25:32,828
MY VIEW, QUITE SIMPLY, IS THAT

2292
01:25:32,828 --> 01:25:34,396
IF YOU WANT INFORMATION FROM A

2293
01:25:34,396 --> 01:25:36,031
DETAINEE, YOU BECOME HIS BEST

2294
01:25:36,031 --> 01:25:38,367
FRIEND.

2295
01:25:38,367 --> 01:25:40,002
YOU HAVE TO HAVE VERY SKILLED

2296
01:25:40,002 --> 01:25:41,670
INTERROGATORS, VERY SKILLED

2297
01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:43,071
ANALYSTS AND SO FORTH.

2298
01:25:43,071 --> 01:25:47,174
IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

2299
01:25:47,174 --> 01:25:48,876
THESE ARE THE HARDENED, WORST

2300
01:25:48,876 --> 01:25:50,611
TERRORISTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

2301
01:25:50,611 --> 01:25:52,646
DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS

2302
01:25:52,646 --> 01:25:54,148
IN A PERIOD WHERE WE SIMPLY

2303
01:25:54,148 --> 01:25:56,884
DIDN'T BELIEVE WE HAD TIME TO

2304
01:25:56,884 --> 01:26:00,488
BECOME THEIR BEST FRIENDS.

2305
01:26:06,292 --> 01:26:08,828
I JUST DON'T THINK A COUNTRY

2306
01:26:08,828 --> 01:26:12,799
LIKE OURS SHOULD BE CULPABLE OF

2307
01:26:12,799 --> 01:26:14,801
CONDUCTING TORTURE.

2308
01:26:14,801 --> 01:26:17,804
I JUST THINK IT'S BENEATH OUR

2309
01:26:17,804 --> 01:26:18,872
DIGNITY.

2310
01:26:18,872 --> 01:26:20,573
I THINK IT'S POOR FOR OUR

2311
01:26:20,573 --> 01:26:24,476
REPUTATION IN THE WORLD.

2312
01:26:24,476 --> 01:26:26,412
SHOULD A COUNTRY, THE UNITED

2313
01:26:26,412 --> 01:26:28,414
STATES OF AMERICA-- WHICH STANDS

2314
01:26:28,414 --> 01:26:29,915
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WORLD,

2315
01:26:29,915 --> 01:26:31,850
WHICH STANDS FOR HUMAN DIGNITY

2316
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:33,685
PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY COUNTRY--

2317
01:26:33,685 --> 01:26:35,954
DO THOSE TECHNIQUES TO ANOTHER

2318
01:26:35,954 --> 01:26:37,122
HUMAN BEING?

2319
01:26:37,122 --> 01:26:38,357
RIGHT?

2320
01:26:38,357 --> 01:26:39,625
THAT'S... THAT'S A REALLY

2321
01:26:39,625 --> 01:26:42,460
REASONABLE QUESTION.

2322
01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:44,262
ONE IS, IT'S WRONG.

2323
01:26:44,262 --> 01:26:45,696
BUT IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT,

2324
01:26:45,696 --> 01:26:47,565
DON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT TYPICALLY

2325
01:26:47,565 --> 01:26:49,067
WILL BITE YOU IN THE BACKSIDE

2326
01:26:49,067 --> 01:26:50,268
LATER ON.

2327
01:26:50,268 --> 01:26:52,670
YOU WILL PAY A PRICE FOR WHAT

2328
01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:54,772
YOU DO, AND IT WILL BE VASTLY

2329
01:26:54,772 --> 01:26:56,207
GREATER THAN WHATEVER IT IS YOU

2330
01:26:56,207 --> 01:26:57,842
GOT OUT OF TAKING THIS

2331
01:26:57,842 --> 01:27:00,011
PARTICULAR ACTION.

2332
01:27:00,011 --> 01:27:01,111
YOU CAN JUDGE US.

2333
01:27:01,111 --> 01:27:02,412
WE MADE THOSE DECISIONS FOR GOOD

2334
01:27:02,412 --> 01:27:03,847
AND VALID REASONS, AND ALL I

2335
01:27:03,847 --> 01:27:06,950
WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS WE SAT

2336
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:08,318
WHERE WE SAT.

2337
01:27:08,318 --> 01:27:09,553
WE DECIDED WHAT WE DID.

2338
01:27:09,553 --> 01:27:11,221
WE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPLICATIONS.

2339
01:27:11,221 --> 01:27:12,522
I CAN STAND HERE TODAY AS

2340
01:27:12,522 --> 01:27:14,024
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

2341
01:27:14,024 --> 01:27:15,492
AND SAY WITHOUT EXCEPTION OR

2342
01:27:15,492 --> 01:27:16,893
EQUIVOCATION THAT WE DO NOT

2343
01:27:16,893 --> 01:27:18,128
TORTURE.

2344
01:27:18,128 --> 01:27:20,329
GIVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA'S

2345
01:27:20,329 --> 01:27:21,864
CRITICISM OF ENHANCED

2346
01:27:21,864 --> 01:27:23,065
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES, I

2347
01:27:23,065 --> 01:27:24,366
THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING

2348
01:27:24,366 --> 01:27:27,970
QUESTIONS IS: WHAT WOULD HE HAVE

2349
01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:29,872
DONE HAD HE BEEN PUT IN

2350
01:27:29,872 --> 01:27:32,308
PRESIDENT BUSH'S SHOES WHEN

2351
01:27:32,308 --> 01:27:33,676
GEORGE TENET CAME TO HIM AND

2352
01:27:33,676 --> 01:27:34,877
SAID, "YOU NEED TO DO THIS OR

2353
01:27:34,877 --> 01:27:37,146
AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DIE"?

2354
01:27:37,146 --> 01:27:39,214
AND OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT

2355
01:27:39,214 --> 01:27:40,815
THE PRESIDENT WOULD'VE DONE, AND

2356
01:27:40,815 --> 01:27:42,150
POSSIBLY HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE

2357
01:27:42,150 --> 01:27:48,756
WOULD'VE DONE.

2358
01:27:48,756 --> 01:27:50,525
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE

2359
01:27:50,525 --> 01:27:53,061
NOT SO CAUGHT UP IN THE FEAR OF

2360
01:27:53,061 --> 01:27:57,898
AN ENEMY THAT WE BEGIN TO MOVE

2361
01:27:57,898 --> 01:27:59,433
AWAY FROM THE PRINCIPLES AND THE

2362
01:27:59,433 --> 01:28:01,401
STANDARDS THAT REPRESENT WHAT

2363
01:28:01,401 --> 01:28:03,670
THIS COUNTRY'S ALL ABOUT?

2364
01:28:03,670 --> 01:28:05,305
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN

2365
01:28:05,305 --> 01:28:07,207
EASY... THERE'S NOT... THERE'S

2366
01:28:07,207 --> 01:28:08,976
NOT AN EASY ANSWER TO THAT.

2367
01:28:08,976 --> 01:28:10,177
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT

2368
01:28:10,177 --> 01:28:12,212
THERE IS, BUT IT'S NOT.

2369
01:28:12,212 --> 01:28:14,081
THE CLASSIC CASE, OF COURSE,

2370
01:28:14,081 --> 01:28:16,149
IS A NUCLEAR WEAPON IN DOWNTOWN

2371
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:18,851
MANHATTAN, HIDDEN, AND YOU HAVE

2372
01:28:18,851 --> 01:28:20,486
IN YOUR HANDS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO

2373
01:28:20,486 --> 01:28:22,188
KNOWS WHERE IT IS.

2374
01:28:22,188 --> 01:28:23,456
WOULD YOU WATERBOARD HIM?

2375
01:28:23,456 --> 01:28:24,323
LET ME TURN IT AROUND.

2376
01:28:24,323 --> 01:28:25,691
WOULD YOU?

2377
01:28:25,691 --> 01:28:27,326
THE REALITY IS, YOU HAVE TO

2378
01:28:27,326 --> 01:28:28,895
LOOK AT IT IN CONTEXT.

2379
01:28:28,895 --> 01:28:31,430
I MEAN, IF... IF, IN FACT, YOU

2380
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:34,966
HAD CREDIBLE INTELLIGENCE THAT

2381
01:28:34,966 --> 01:28:36,801
THERE WAS A NUCLEAR WEAPON

2382
01:28:36,801 --> 01:28:38,737
PLANTED SOMEPLACE IN NEW YORK

2383
01:28:38,737 --> 01:28:41,439
CITY OR WASHINGTON, D.C., AND

2384
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,875
THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT WOULD

2385
01:28:43,875 --> 01:28:45,777
KNOW WHERE THAT BOMB WAS

2386
01:28:45,777 --> 01:28:50,081
LOCATED, IT'D BE VERY TOUGH NOT

2387
01:28:50,081 --> 01:28:51,715
TO RESORT TO EVERY METHOD

2388
01:28:51,715 --> 01:28:52,983
POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO GET THAT

2389
01:28:52,983 --> 01:28:54,318
INFORMATION.

2390
01:28:54,318 --> 01:28:55,519
I JUST HAVE TO BE FRANK WITH

2391
01:28:55,519 --> 01:28:56,654
YOU.

2392
01:28:56,654 --> 01:28:58,055
IF A PRESIDENT TOMORROW ASKED

2393
01:28:58,055 --> 01:29:00,057
ME TO WATERBOARD A TERRORIST, I

2394
01:29:00,057 --> 01:29:02,193
WOULD SAY, "MR. PRESIDENT,

2395
01:29:02,193 --> 01:29:04,528
SORRY, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT

2396
01:29:04,528 --> 01:29:06,597
THAT IS WHAT IS IN OUR BEST

2397
01:29:06,597 --> 01:29:08,432
INTEREST AS A COUNTRY, AS AN

2398
01:29:08,432 --> 01:29:09,934
INSTITUTION OF C.I.A.

2399
01:29:09,934 --> 01:29:11,668
AND WE NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS

2400
01:29:11,668 --> 01:29:14,070
TO GET THAT INTELLIGENCE."

2401
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:15,805
IF SOME FUTURE PRESIDENT IS

2402
01:29:15,805 --> 01:29:17,607
GOING TO DECIDE TO WATERBOARD,

2403
01:29:17,607 --> 01:29:19,075
HE BETTER BRING HIS OWN BUCKET

2404
01:29:19,075 --> 01:29:20,376
BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO

2405
01:29:20,376 --> 01:29:21,611
IT HIMSELF.

2406
01:29:21,611 --> 01:29:22,745
THE AGENCY IS NOT GOING TO DO

2407
01:29:22,745 --> 01:29:25,448
THIS AGAIN.

2408
01:29:33,522 --> 01:29:40,696
JUST AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

2409
01:29:40,696 --> 01:29:42,231
THIS SENATE INTELLIGENCE

2410
01:29:42,231 --> 01:29:44,399
COMMITTEE REPORT ON

2411
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:45,901
INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES AND

2412
01:29:45,901 --> 01:29:48,169
TORTURE, IF YOU WILL, THE

2413
01:29:48,169 --> 01:29:49,770
QUESTION PEOPLE NEED TO ASK

2414
01:29:49,770 --> 01:29:51,272
THEMSELVES IS, TEN YEARS FROM

2415
01:29:51,272 --> 01:29:53,307
NOW, WILL PEOPLE BE ASKING THE

2416
01:29:53,307 --> 01:29:55,376
SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF

2417
01:29:55,376 --> 01:29:59,847
THESE DRONES?

2418
01:29:59,847 --> 01:30:00,982
Narrator: THEY ARE LETHAL,

2419
01:30:00,982 --> 01:30:05,419
MAN-MADE BIRDS OF PREY.

2420
01:30:05,419 --> 01:30:06,720
WHEN YOU CAN STARE AT A

2421
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,589
TARGET UNBLINKINGLY FOR HOURS,

2422
01:30:09,589 --> 01:30:12,058
IF NOT DAYS, AND THEN USE A

2423
01:30:12,058 --> 01:30:14,127
WEAPON AGAINST THAT TARGET THAT

2424
01:30:14,127 --> 01:30:17,063
HAS A 14-POUND WARHEAD IN IT AND

2425
01:30:17,063 --> 01:30:18,632
WITH AN ACCURACY MEASURED IN

2426
01:30:18,632 --> 01:30:21,334
INCHES, THIS ACTUALLY MAKES

2427
01:30:21,334 --> 01:30:22,969
WARFARE MORE PRECISE, AND THAT

2428
01:30:22,969 --> 01:30:23,470
SHOULD BE A GOOD.

2429
01:30:23,470 --> 01:30:24,237
ROGER.

2430
01:30:24,237 --> 01:30:25,571
YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ENGAGE THE

2431
01:30:25,571 --> 01:30:26,639
VEHICLE.

2432
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:27,973
THEY GIVE YOU THE ABILITY,

2433
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:30,643
ACTUALLY, TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN

2434
01:30:30,643 --> 01:30:33,379
CASUALTIES OR COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

2435
01:30:33,379 --> 01:30:34,580
UNINTELLIGIBLE ORDER.

2436
01:30:34,580 --> 01:30:35,781
GIVE ME TEN SECONDS.

2437
01:30:35,781 --> 01:30:39,118
ROGER.

2438
01:30:39,118 --> 01:30:40,252
DIRECT HITS.

2439
01:30:40,252 --> 01:30:41,487
RIGHT THERE.

2440
01:30:41,487 --> 01:30:42,554
NOW, THE DARK SIDE.

2441
01:30:42,554 --> 01:30:44,188
THE DARK SIDE IS THE EASE WITH

2442
01:30:44,188 --> 01:30:46,958
WHICH A POLITICAL DECISION MAKER

2443
01:30:46,958 --> 01:30:48,459
CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DO

2444
01:30:48,459 --> 01:30:51,429
THIS.

2445
01:30:54,832 --> 01:30:56,034
PEOPLE NEED TO BE CAREFUL

2446
01:30:56,034 --> 01:30:57,635
ABOUT BEING SO HAPPY WITH THE

2447
01:30:57,635 --> 01:31:00,338
USE OF THE TERM "KILL."

2448
01:31:00,338 --> 01:31:01,505
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN

2449
01:31:01,505 --> 01:31:02,673
PARTICULAR HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

2450
01:31:02,673 --> 01:31:06,710
THE USE OF THAT TERM.

2451
01:31:14,384 --> 01:31:15,519
THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHEN

2452
01:31:15,519 --> 01:31:17,521
PEOPLE ARE TALKING LOOSELY ABOUT

2453
01:31:17,521 --> 01:31:19,556
IT OR ENTHUSING TO ME ABOUT IT,

2454
01:31:19,556 --> 01:31:21,924
AND I WILL SAY TO THEM, "HAVE

2455
01:31:21,924 --> 01:31:26,529
YOU EVER KILLED SOMEONE?"

2456
01:31:29,965 --> 01:31:31,033
Narrator: IT WAS ON GEORGE

2457
01:31:31,033 --> 01:31:33,202
TENET'S WATCH IN 2001 THAT

2458
01:31:33,202 --> 01:31:35,338
DRONES, ONCE JUST EYES IN THE

2459
01:31:35,338 --> 01:31:39,708
SKY, BECAME KILLING MACHINES.

2460
01:31:39,708 --> 01:31:41,376
I HAD A QUESTION, AND IT IS A

2461
01:31:41,376 --> 01:31:43,278
QUESTION THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE

2462
01:31:43,278 --> 01:31:45,447
ASKED TODAY, AS WELL: "DO YOU

2463
01:31:45,447 --> 01:31:47,582
WANT THE CIVILIAN HEAD OF AN

2464
01:31:47,582 --> 01:31:50,118
INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATION FIRING

2465
01:31:50,118 --> 01:31:51,586
A WEAPON OUTSIDE OF THE CHAIN OF

2466
01:31:51,586 --> 01:31:53,388
MILITARY COMMAND?"

2467
01:31:53,388 --> 01:31:54,856
I NEEDED TO ASK THE QUESTION.

2468
01:31:54,856 --> 01:31:56,124
THEY NEEDED TO ANSWER THE

2469
01:31:56,124 --> 01:31:57,124
QUESTION.

2470
01:31:57,124 --> 01:31:58,225
WE NEVER GOT THE ANSWER TO THE

2471
01:31:58,225 --> 01:32:01,762
QUESTION, AND OFF WE WENT.

2472
01:32:01,762 --> 01:32:02,863
Narrator: WHY AREN'T ALL

2473
01:32:02,863 --> 01:32:04,565
DRONES OPERATED BY THE MILITARY?

2474
01:32:04,565 --> 01:32:07,701
ONE REASON: WHEN A COVERT C.I.A.

2475
01:32:07,701 --> 01:32:10,304
OPERATION GOES BADLY, IT CAN BE

2476
01:32:10,304 --> 01:32:12,606
DENIED.

2477
01:32:12,606 --> 01:32:13,974
I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T COMMENT ON

2478
01:32:13,974 --> 01:32:16,776
WHETHER THE C.I.A. CONDUCTS

2479
01:32:16,776 --> 01:32:18,044
OPERATIONS THAT WOULD BE UNDER

2480
01:32:18,044 --> 01:32:21,447
THE REALM OF COVERT ACTION.

2481
01:32:21,447 --> 01:32:22,849
COVERT ACTION IS, OF COURSE,

2482
01:32:22,849 --> 01:32:24,684
THAT YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THEM;

2483
01:32:24,684 --> 01:32:26,686
WHAT YOU DO IS YOU JUST DON'T

2484
01:32:26,686 --> 01:32:28,287
TALK ABOUT THEM.

2485
01:32:28,287 --> 01:32:29,322
Narrator: IN FACT, THE

2486
01:32:29,322 --> 01:32:31,157
C.I.A.'S DRONE WARFARE PROGRAM

2487
01:32:31,157 --> 01:32:33,659
IS SO SECRET THE AGENCY DOES NOT

2488
01:32:33,659 --> 01:32:36,862
EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT EXISTS.

2489
01:32:36,862 --> 01:32:38,563
YET SOME DIRECTORS ARE

2490
01:32:38,563 --> 01:32:39,931
SURPRISINGLY CANDID.

2491
01:32:39,931 --> 01:32:41,433
IT'S A COVERT ACTION.

2492
01:32:41,433 --> 01:32:44,002
IT'S AN ACTIVITY DESIGNED SO

2493
01:32:44,002 --> 01:32:45,137
THAT THE HAND OF THE UNITED

2494
01:32:45,137 --> 01:32:47,806
STATES IS HIDDEN.

2495
01:32:47,806 --> 01:32:48,807
IT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT IN

2496
01:32:48,807 --> 01:32:50,475
CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH IT WOULD

2497
01:32:50,475 --> 01:32:51,777
BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE

2498
01:32:51,777 --> 01:32:55,146
MILITARY TO DO.

2499
01:32:59,884 --> 01:33:01,118
Narrator: C.I.A. DRONE

2500
01:33:01,118 --> 01:33:02,853
STRIKES WERE ONCE RARELY

2501
01:33:02,853 --> 01:33:05,189
CONDUCTED OUTSIDE OF WAR ZONES.

2502
01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:07,892
THE TROUBLE WAS THAT WAS EXACTLY

2503
01:33:07,892 --> 01:33:10,828
WHERE AL QAEDA WAS REGROUPING.

2504
01:33:10,828 --> 01:33:12,962
IN THE FIRST HALF OF 2008,

2505
01:33:12,962 --> 01:33:14,764
C.I.A. MADE THE CASE THAT WE HAD

2506
01:33:14,764 --> 01:33:16,166
TO BEGIN TO GO DO SOME THINGS--

2507
01:33:16,166 --> 01:33:17,667
TARGETED KILLINGS, FOR EXAMPLE--

2508
01:33:17,667 --> 01:33:18,034
OUTSIDE OF

2509
01:33:18,034 --> 01:33:19,769
INTERNATIONALLY-AGREED THEATERS

2510
01:33:19,769 --> 01:33:20,770
OF CONFLICT.

2511
01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:22,305
GET THIS GUY OFF THE BATTLEFIELD

2512
01:33:22,305 --> 01:33:23,440
BECAUSE "HE'S GOING TO COME KILL

2513
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,974
YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN" WAS

2514
01:33:24,974 --> 01:33:26,676
ABSOLUTELY COMPELLING.

2515
01:33:26,676 --> 01:33:28,745
BY MID-SUMMER OF 2008, OUR

2516
01:33:28,745 --> 01:33:30,179
GOVERNMENT DECIDED ON A NEW

2517
01:33:30,179 --> 01:33:34,349
COURSE OF ACTION.

2518
01:33:34,349 --> 01:33:35,050
Narrator: PRESIDENT GEORGE

2519
01:33:35,050 --> 01:33:38,687
BUSH GIVES THE GREEN LIGHT, BUT

2520
01:33:38,687 --> 01:33:40,289
HAVE DRONES GIVEN PRESIDENTS AND

2521
01:33:40,289 --> 01:33:42,558
DIRECTORS UNCHECKED POWER?

2522
01:33:42,558 --> 01:33:44,293
THE POWER TO DECIDE WHO LIVES

2523
01:33:44,293 --> 01:33:47,963
AND WHO DIES?

2524
01:33:48,930 --> 01:33:51,132
(CROWD PROTESTING)

2525
01:33:51,132 --> 01:33:52,934
DRONE ATTACKS VIOLATE EVERY

2526
01:33:52,934 --> 01:33:55,436
HUMAN LAW BECAUSE NO LAW ALLOWS

2527
01:33:55,436 --> 01:33:57,271
ANYONE TO BECOME JUDGE, JURY AND

2528
01:33:57,271 --> 01:33:58,072
EXECUTIONER.

2529
01:33:58,072 --> 01:33:59,240
AMERICANS ARE RUTHLESS

2530
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:00,107
PEOPLE.

2531
01:34:00,107 --> 01:34:01,342
THEY ARE AGAINST ISLAM.

2532
01:34:01,342 --> 01:34:04,412
THEY ARE THE TYRANTS.

2533
01:34:06,947 --> 01:34:07,747
YOU KNOW, IT'S CURIOUS THAT

2534
01:34:07,747 --> 01:34:10,083
CERTAIN KINDS OF ACTIVITY ARE

2535
01:34:10,083 --> 01:34:12,419
CALLED "ASSASSINATION," OTHERS

2536
01:34:12,419 --> 01:34:14,221
ARE NOT.

2537
01:34:14,221 --> 01:34:16,389
Narrator: IN 1976, PRESIDENT

2538
01:34:16,389 --> 01:34:18,792
GERALD FORD SIGNS AN ORDER

2539
01:34:18,792 --> 01:34:20,660
PROHIBITING THE C.I.A. FROM

2540
01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:22,929
ENGAGING IN ASSASSINATION.

2541
01:34:22,929 --> 01:34:24,397
FOR EXAMPLE, THE USE OF

2542
01:34:24,397 --> 01:34:25,731
DRONES GOING AFTER PARTICULAR

2543
01:34:25,731 --> 01:34:28,567
TARGETS IS NOT TERMED AN

2544
01:34:28,567 --> 01:34:30,369
"ASSASSINATION" IN THE SENSE OF

2545
01:34:30,369 --> 01:34:32,071
THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER.

2546
01:34:32,071 --> 01:34:32,738
WHY NOT?

2547
01:34:32,738 --> 01:34:34,173
WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE?

2548
01:34:34,173 --> 01:34:35,174
I DON'T KNOW.

2549
01:34:35,174 --> 01:34:36,208
IT'S A QUESTION YOU COULD ANSWER

2550
01:34:36,208 --> 01:34:37,610
AS WELL AS I DO.

2551
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:38,444
THERE IS A DISTINCTION

2552
01:34:38,444 --> 01:34:40,279
BETWEEN A POLITICAL

2553
01:34:40,279 --> 01:34:41,780
ASSASSINATION AND AGAINST A

2554
01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:43,148
TARGETED KILLING OF AN ENEMY

2555
01:34:43,148 --> 01:34:44,549
COMBATANT AFTER CONGRESS HAS

2556
01:34:44,549 --> 01:34:46,584
DECLARED WAR AGAINST AL QAEDA.

2557
01:34:46,584 --> 01:34:47,552
AND THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE

2558
01:34:47,552 --> 01:34:49,220
USE OF MILITARY FORCE IS A

2559
01:34:49,220 --> 01:34:50,288
DECLARATION.

2560
01:34:50,288 --> 01:34:51,856
IT'S AS CLOSE TO A DECLARATION

2561
01:34:51,856 --> 01:34:54,392
OF WAR AS WE WILL EVER GET IN

2562
01:34:54,392 --> 01:34:55,960
THIS COUNTRY AGAIN, AND WE ARE

2563
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,129
GOING AFTER ENEMY COMBATANTS

2564
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:59,163
CONSISTENT WITH THE LAWS OF

2565
01:34:59,163 --> 01:35:01,065
ARMED CONFLICT.

2566
01:35:01,065 --> 01:35:01,900
Narrator: PRESIDENT BARACK

2567
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:03,934
OBAMA TAKES OFFICE AFTER A

2568
01:35:03,934 --> 01:35:05,802
CAMPAIGN CRITICAL OF GEORGE

2569
01:35:05,802 --> 01:35:09,373
BUSH'S WAR ON TERROR, BUT UNDER

2570
01:35:09,373 --> 01:35:11,608
THE NEW COMMANDER IN CHIEF,

2571
01:35:11,608 --> 01:35:14,978
DRONE STRIKES RISE DRAMATICALLY.

2572
01:35:14,978 --> 01:35:16,346
NATIONAL SECURITY LOOKS

2573
01:35:16,346 --> 01:35:17,948
DIFFERENT FROM THE OVAL THAN IT

2574
01:35:17,948 --> 01:35:20,517
DOES FROM A HOTEL ROOM IN IOWA.

2575
01:35:20,517 --> 01:35:22,518
TO BE ABLE TO GO IN, TO

2576
01:35:22,518 --> 01:35:24,387
CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE, TO TARGET

2577
01:35:24,387 --> 01:35:26,188
THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THEN TO

2578
01:35:26,188 --> 01:35:28,691
CONDUCT VERY PRECISE ATTACKS ON

2579
01:35:28,691 --> 01:35:30,526
THOSE INDIVIDUALS WAS THE MOST

2580
01:35:30,526 --> 01:35:32,762
EFFECTIVE WEAPON WE HAD.

2581
01:35:32,762 --> 01:35:33,796
(UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS)

2582
01:35:33,796 --> 01:35:35,531
CLEAR TO ENGAGE ALL.

2583
01:35:35,531 --> 01:35:37,433
THIS ADMINISTRATION PREFERS

2584
01:35:37,433 --> 01:35:39,435
KILLING TERRORISTS RATHER THAN

2585
01:35:39,435 --> 01:35:41,036
HOLDING THEM CAPTIVE.

2586
01:35:41,036 --> 01:35:42,537
AND THE REASON I THINK IS

2587
01:35:42,537 --> 01:35:43,705
BECAUSE IT'S HARD.

2588
01:35:43,705 --> 01:35:46,942
IT'S HARD TO CAPTURE.

2589
01:35:46,942 --> 01:35:49,511
IT'S... IT'S HARD WORK.

2590
01:35:49,511 --> 01:35:51,112
AND MANY WOULD CONSIDER IT DIRTY

2591
01:35:51,112 --> 01:35:52,314
BUSINESS.

2592
01:35:52,314 --> 01:35:53,748
THEY'RE KILLING A LOT OF

2593
01:35:53,748 --> 01:35:55,617
PEOPLE WITH, LET'S SAY, DRONE

2594
01:35:55,617 --> 01:35:57,819
STRIKES THAT WOULD BETTER BE

2595
01:35:57,819 --> 01:35:59,253
CAPTURED AND INTERROGATED, THAT

2596
01:35:59,253 --> 01:36:00,754
WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE OF

2597
01:36:00,754 --> 01:36:02,356
LEARNING WHAT THE TERRORIST

2598
01:36:02,356 --> 01:36:03,557
GROUP IS GOING TO DO NEXT.

2599
01:36:03,557 --> 01:36:05,192
YOU CAN'T QUESTION SOMEBODY

2600
01:36:05,192 --> 01:36:06,694
YOU'VE KILLED.

2601
01:36:06,694 --> 01:36:07,695
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE C.I.A.

2602
01:36:07,695 --> 01:36:08,662
IS JUST, "WE'RE TAKING NO

2603
01:36:08,662 --> 01:36:10,531
PRISONERS?"

2604
01:36:10,531 --> 01:36:11,932
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE

2605
01:36:11,932 --> 01:36:14,868
C.I.A.'S POSITION; I THINK

2606
01:36:14,868 --> 01:36:17,470
THAT'S THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION.

2607
01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:20,540
I... I THINK HE IS KILLING MORE

2608
01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:23,343
PEOPLE THAN HE NEEDS TO, AND

2609
01:36:23,343 --> 01:36:24,644
WE'D BE BETTER OFF CAPTURING

2610
01:36:24,644 --> 01:36:25,979
SOME OF THEM AND INTERROGATING

2611
01:36:25,979 --> 01:36:29,282
THEM.

2612
01:36:29,282 --> 01:36:30,416
WE WILL DO EVERYTHING

2613
01:36:30,416 --> 01:36:32,418
POSSIBLE TO SEE IF WE CAN

2614
01:36:32,418 --> 01:36:33,786
PREVENT THEM FROM BEING

2615
01:36:33,786 --> 01:36:36,188
SUCCESSFUL, CAPTURING THEM.

2616
01:36:36,188 --> 01:36:38,390
AND WHEN THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE,

2617
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:39,791
WELL, THEN I THINK THE PRESIDENT

2618
01:36:39,791 --> 01:36:41,159
SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO... TO

2619
01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:42,694
TAKE ACTION.

2620
01:36:42,694 --> 01:36:44,129
END THE AFGHAN WAR!

2621
01:36:44,129 --> 01:36:45,731
STOP THE DRONE ATTACKS!

2622
01:36:45,731 --> 01:36:47,432
END THE AFGHAN WAR!

2623
01:36:47,432 --> 01:36:49,167
STOP THE DRONE ATTACKS!

2624
01:36:49,167 --> 01:36:50,135
Narrator: YET SOME WATCHDOG

2625
01:36:50,135 --> 01:36:52,137
ORGANIZATIONS CLAIM THAT

2626
01:36:52,137 --> 01:36:53,771
AMERICAN DRONES HAVE KILLED MORE

2627
01:36:53,771 --> 01:36:56,040
THAN A THOUSAND CIVILIANS,

2628
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,142
NUMBERS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SAYS

2629
01:36:58,142 --> 01:37:00,011
ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED.

2630
01:37:00,011 --> 01:37:02,346
U.S. STRIKES HAVE RESULTED IN

2631
01:37:02,346 --> 01:37:03,981
CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

2632
01:37:03,981 --> 01:37:06,083
THOSE DEATHS WILL HAUNT US AS

2633
01:37:06,083 --> 01:37:08,619
LONG AS WE LIVE.

2634
01:37:08,619 --> 01:37:09,520
Narrator: THE MOST

2635
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,454
CONTROVERSIAL TARGET IN THE

2636
01:37:10,454 --> 01:37:11,555
HISTORY OF DRONE WARFARE IS

2637
01:37:11,555 --> 01:37:13,757
ABOUT TO ENTER THE C.I.A.'S

2638
01:37:13,757 --> 01:37:15,091
CROSSHAIRS.

2639
01:37:15,091 --> 01:37:16,126
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I SAY

2640
01:37:16,126 --> 01:37:18,628
YOUR SECURITY WILL CONTINUE TO

2641
01:37:18,628 --> 01:37:20,930
BE THREATENED AS LONG AS YOUR

2642
01:37:20,930 --> 01:37:22,332
GOVERNMENT CONTINUES WITH ITS

2643
01:37:22,332 --> 01:37:23,833
AGGRESSION AGAINST THE MUSLIM

2644
01:37:23,833 --> 01:37:24,901
PEOPLE.

2645
01:37:24,901 --> 01:37:25,935
Narrator: HE IS ANWAR

2646
01:37:25,935 --> 01:37:27,937
AL-AWLAKI, A SWORN ENEMY OF THE

2647
01:37:27,937 --> 01:37:31,206
UNITED STATES AND AN AMERICAN

2648
01:37:31,206 --> 01:37:32,408
CITIZEN.

2649
01:37:32,408 --> 01:37:34,276
HE WAS BORN IN THE U.S. AND

2650
01:37:34,276 --> 01:37:36,845
WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS USING SOCIAL

2651
01:37:36,845 --> 01:37:39,982
MEDIA IN ORDER TO CONVEY A

2652
01:37:39,982 --> 01:37:42,451
MESSAGE ABOUT JIHAD AND DOING IT

2653
01:37:42,451 --> 01:37:44,253
VERY EFFECTIVELY, AND WAS

2654
01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:47,389
SOMEONE WHO HAD GONE TO YEMEN.

2655
01:37:47,389 --> 01:37:49,323
THERE WAS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND

2656
01:37:49,323 --> 01:37:51,659
THAT HE WAS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS

2657
01:37:51,659 --> 01:37:53,261
AND SOMEBODY THAT WE HAD TO GO

2658
01:37:53,261 --> 01:37:54,662
AFTER.

2659
01:37:54,662 --> 01:37:56,564
AS YOU SEND US YOUR BOMBS, WE

2660
01:37:56,564 --> 01:37:57,865
WILL SEND YOU OURS.

2661
01:37:57,865 --> 01:37:58,733
Narrator: THE CHARISMATIC

2662
01:37:58,733 --> 01:38:00,501
CLERIC CONSPIRES WITH THE

2663
01:38:00,501 --> 01:38:02,103
SO-CALLED UNDERWEAR BOMBER IN A

2664
01:38:02,103 --> 01:38:03,571
FAILED PLOT TO BLOW UP AN

2665
01:38:03,571 --> 01:38:05,239
AIRLINER OVER DETROIT ON

2666
01:38:05,239 --> 01:38:08,175
CHRISTMAS DAY 2009, AND HE

2667
01:38:08,175 --> 01:38:09,443
INSPIRES THE JIHADIST MILITANT

2668
01:38:09,443 --> 01:38:11,511
WHO KILLS 13 AND INJURES MORE

2669
01:38:11,511 --> 01:38:13,547
THAN 30 IN A SHOOTING SPREE AT

2670
01:38:13,547 --> 01:38:15,716
FORT HOOD, TEXAS.

2671
01:38:15,716 --> 01:38:16,983
I WAS ASKING, "WHAT WERE WE

2672
01:38:16,983 --> 01:38:19,119
INTERESTED IN AL-AWLAKI ABOUT?"

2673
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:20,220
WELL, SOMEONE SAID, "WELL,

2674
01:38:20,220 --> 01:38:22,089
HE'S... HE'S A BAD GUY.

2675
01:38:22,089 --> 01:38:23,990
HE'S ON THE PRESIDENT'S LIST."

2676
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:26,359
SO I SAID, "WHAT LIST IS THAT?"

2677
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:30,529
"WELL, THE GOODBYE LIST."

2678
01:38:30,529 --> 01:38:31,530
Narrator: THE "GOODBYE LIST,"

2679
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:35,201
ALSO KNOWN AS THE "KILL LIST."

2680
01:38:35,201 --> 01:38:36,268
IT'S THE GRIM ROSTER OF

2681
01:38:36,268 --> 01:38:38,003
TERRORISTS TARGETED FOR

2682
01:38:38,003 --> 01:38:40,172
EXECUTION BY THE U.S.

2683
01:38:40,172 --> 01:38:41,540
GOVERNMENT.

2684
01:38:41,540 --> 01:38:43,309
I, FOR ONE, WAS BORN IN THE

2685
01:38:43,309 --> 01:38:45,276
U.S. AND LIVED IN THE U.S. FOR

2686
01:38:45,276 --> 01:38:46,878
21 YEARS.

2687
01:38:46,878 --> 01:38:48,446
WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS

2688
01:38:48,446 --> 01:38:51,149
TO MAKE A CASE FOR WHY AL-AWLAKI

2689
01:38:51,149 --> 01:38:54,486
WAS DANGEROUS, AND THE JUSTICE

2690
01:38:54,486 --> 01:38:56,521
DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE OUR

2691
01:38:56,521 --> 01:38:57,822
GENERAL COUNSEL AND COUNSEL OUT

2692
01:38:57,822 --> 01:38:59,624
OF THE WHITE HOUSE, FELT THAT A

2693
01:38:59,624 --> 01:39:01,493
GOOD CASE HAD BEEN MADE TO PUT

2694
01:39:01,493 --> 01:39:03,694
HIM ON THAT LIST.

2695
01:39:03,694 --> 01:39:04,728
Narrator: THE "KILL LIST" IS

2696
01:39:04,728 --> 01:39:06,964
AN OPEN SECRET-- SO OPEN THAT

2697
01:39:06,964 --> 01:39:08,999
AL-AWLAKI'S FATHER GOES TO A

2698
01:39:08,999 --> 01:39:10,968
U.S. COURT IN A DESPERATE EFFORT

2699
01:39:10,968 --> 01:39:13,237
TO HAVE HIS SON'S LIFE SPARED.

2700
01:39:13,237 --> 01:39:15,506
I WANT DECENT AMERICAN LAWYER

2701
01:39:15,506 --> 01:39:18,108
TO TELL ME THAT IT IS RIGHT FOR

2702
01:39:18,108 --> 01:39:19,943
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO

2703
01:39:19,943 --> 01:39:22,044
KILL AN AMERICAN CITIZEN ON THE

2704
01:39:22,044 --> 01:39:23,713
BASIS THAT HE SAID SOMETHING

2705
01:39:23,713 --> 01:39:25,281
AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OR

2706
01:39:25,281 --> 01:39:26,849
AGAINST AMERICAN SOLDIERS.

2707
01:39:26,849 --> 01:39:28,751
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

2708
01:39:28,751 --> 01:39:29,819
Narrator: THE PETITION IS

2709
01:39:29,819 --> 01:39:32,989
REJECTED.

2710
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:40,929
SEPTEMBER 30, 2011: DAVID

2711
01:39:40,929 --> 01:39:43,231
PETRAEUS IS NOW IN CHARGE WHEN

2712
01:39:43,231 --> 01:39:45,567
C.I.A. DRONE PILOTS IN NEVADA

2713
01:39:45,567 --> 01:39:47,669
DRAW A BEAD ON AL-AWLAKI IN

2714
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:49,437
YEMEN.

2715
01:39:49,437 --> 01:39:50,872
THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING HIM FOR

2716
01:39:50,872 --> 01:39:52,274
DAYS.

2717
01:39:52,274 --> 01:39:53,708
GET BACK ON THOSE GUYS.

2718
01:39:53,708 --> 01:39:54,843
THERE YOU GO.

2719
01:39:54,843 --> 01:39:55,677
I THINK YOU ALWAYS DO SOUL

2720
01:39:55,677 --> 01:39:57,746
SEARCHING WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING

2721
01:39:57,746 --> 01:39:59,747
INDIVIDUALS IN HARM'S WAY.

2722
01:39:59,747 --> 01:40:01,515
YOU TURN THESE OVER IN YOUR MIND

2723
01:40:01,515 --> 01:40:03,150
AND... AND THERE ARE OCCASIONS

2724
01:40:03,150 --> 01:40:04,785
WHERE YOU SAY, "LET ME MULL THIS

2725
01:40:04,785 --> 01:40:05,753
ONE.

2726
01:40:05,753 --> 01:40:07,421
LET ME THINK ON IT."

2727
01:40:07,421 --> 01:40:09,023
BUT IF YOU ENSURE THAT YOU'RE

2728
01:40:09,023 --> 01:40:12,092
WITHIN THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT,

2729
01:40:12,092 --> 01:40:14,962
THEN YOU PRESS FORWARD AND MAKE

2730
01:40:14,962 --> 01:40:18,231
A DECISION.

2731
01:40:18,231 --> 01:40:19,933
Narrator: MOMENTS LATER,

2732
01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:23,870
ANWAR AL-AWLAKI IS DEAD.

2733
01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:25,572
AWLAKI WAS THE LEADER OF

2734
01:40:25,572 --> 01:40:27,207
EXTERNAL OPERATIONS FOR AL

2735
01:40:27,207 --> 01:40:28,374
QAEDA.

2736
01:40:28,374 --> 01:40:29,309
Narrator: NOT SINCE THE CIVIL

2737
01:40:29,309 --> 01:40:30,476
WAR HAS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

2738
01:40:30,476 --> 01:40:32,245
EXECUTED ONE OF ITS CITIZENS

2739
01:40:32,245 --> 01:40:34,981
WITHOUT AN INDICTMENT, TRIAL OR

2740
01:40:34,981 --> 01:40:36,782
SENTENCING.

2741
01:40:36,782 --> 01:40:38,984
THE PRECEDENT OF AN AMERICAN

2742
01:40:38,984 --> 01:40:41,353
PRESIDENT BEING ABLE TO KILL AN

2743
01:40:41,353 --> 01:40:44,156
AMERICAN CITIZEN UNDER ANY

2744
01:40:44,156 --> 01:40:46,225
CIRCUMSTANCES, ON JUST HIS

2745
01:40:46,225 --> 01:40:49,361
SIGNATURE, IS DANGEROUS.

2746
01:40:49,361 --> 01:40:51,563
THERE WERE NAZIS WHO WERE

2747
01:40:51,563 --> 01:40:53,232
U.S. CITIZENS.

2748
01:40:53,232 --> 01:40:54,132
DOES THAT MAKE THEM LESS OF AN

2749
01:40:54,132 --> 01:40:55,967
ENEMY?

2750
01:40:55,967 --> 01:40:57,168
THERE ARE TERRORISTS WHO ARE

2751
01:40:57,168 --> 01:40:58,603
U.S. CITIZENS.

2752
01:40:58,603 --> 01:41:00,071
DOES THAT SOMEHOW MAKE THEM LESS

2753
01:41:00,071 --> 01:41:00,872
OF AN ENEMY?

2754
01:41:00,872 --> 01:41:02,340
I DON'T THINK SO.

2755
01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:04,041
IN MY BOOK, A TERRORIST IS A

2756
01:41:04,041 --> 01:41:05,643
TERRORIST.

2757
01:41:05,643 --> 01:41:07,411
I WOULD PREFER, UNDER THOSE

2758
01:41:07,411 --> 01:41:08,713
CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT THERE WAS

2759
01:41:08,713 --> 01:41:12,116
SOME KIND OF EXTERNAL BODY WHERE

2760
01:41:12,116 --> 01:41:14,351
THE PRESIDENT WOULD PRESENT THE

2761
01:41:14,351 --> 01:41:16,486
EVIDENCE TO SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF

2762
01:41:16,486 --> 01:41:18,855
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, TO SAY, "I

2763
01:41:18,855 --> 01:41:20,223
THINK THIS IS CONCLUSIVE.

2764
01:41:20,223 --> 01:41:22,726
DO YOU THINK THIS IS CONCLUSIVE?

2765
01:41:22,726 --> 01:41:23,860
I DON'T SEE THAT THE

2766
01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:26,229
PRESIDENT EVER ALONE MADE A

2767
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:28,098
DECISION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

2768
01:41:28,098 --> 01:41:30,133
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

2769
01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,534
INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION,

2770
01:41:32,534 --> 01:41:36,839
DEBATE AND DECISION-MAKING.

2771
01:41:36,839 --> 01:41:38,307
THERE'S A PROCESS AND THERE'S

2772
01:41:38,307 --> 01:41:40,709
CERTAINLY A DISCUSSION, BUT, AT

2773
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:42,578
THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL

2774
01:41:42,578 --> 01:41:44,146
PRESIDENT'S APPOINTEES, AND THEN

2775
01:41:44,146 --> 01:41:46,649
IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE.

2776
01:41:46,649 --> 01:41:48,150
THERE IS NO OUTSIDE REVIEW.

2777
01:41:48,150 --> 01:41:50,352
THERE IS NO EXTERNAL EVALUATION

2778
01:41:50,352 --> 01:41:51,819
OF THE EVIDENCE.

2779
01:41:51,819 --> 01:41:53,421
THIS WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN,

2780
01:41:53,421 --> 01:41:55,523
AND HE WAS ULTIMATELY TAKEN OUT,

2781
01:41:55,523 --> 01:41:58,026
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT

2782
01:41:58,026 --> 01:42:00,395
SHOULD BE LEFT TO ONE PERSON, NO

2783
01:42:00,395 --> 01:42:04,198
MATTER WHO THAT PERSON IS.

2784
01:42:04,198 --> 01:42:06,301
Narrator: ANWAR AL-AWLAKI WAS

2785
01:42:06,301 --> 01:42:08,636
JUST ONE MAN, BUT THE C.I.A.'S

2786
01:42:08,636 --> 01:42:11,004
DRONES HAVE KILLED SCORES,

2787
01:42:11,004 --> 01:42:14,041
PERHAPS HUNDREDS WHOSE NAMES ARE

2788
01:42:14,041 --> 01:42:15,709
UNKNOWN.

2789
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:17,444
(UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS)

2790
01:42:17,444 --> 01:42:19,379
MY WORRY IS THAT THERE ARE

2791
01:42:19,379 --> 01:42:20,981
TOO MANY OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL

2792
01:42:20,981 --> 01:42:23,317
"SIGNATURE STRIKES," WHICH ARE

2793
01:42:23,317 --> 01:42:24,952
AT A GROUP OF SUSPECTED

2794
01:42:24,952 --> 01:42:26,420
TERRORISTS WHERE THE EVIDENCE

2795
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:28,287
MAY NOT BE THAT CLEAR OF

2796
01:42:28,287 --> 01:42:30,856
SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

2797
01:42:30,856 --> 01:42:33,526
WHAT ABOUT THE SO-CALLED

2798
01:42:33,526 --> 01:42:35,261
SIGNATURE STRIKES?

2799
01:42:35,261 --> 01:42:36,662
I CAN'T TALK ABOUT SIGNATURE

2800
01:42:36,662 --> 01:42:37,730
STRIKES.

2801
01:42:37,730 --> 01:42:38,698
IF THEY ARE EVEN TAKEN, I DON'T

2802
01:42:38,698 --> 01:42:39,865
KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

2803
01:42:39,865 --> 01:42:40,967
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE

2804
01:42:40,967 --> 01:42:42,268
GUYS.

2805
01:42:42,268 --> 01:42:43,302
I DON'T BELIEVE THESE DIRECTORS

2806
01:42:43,302 --> 01:42:46,805
ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

2807
01:42:46,805 --> 01:42:48,406
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.

2808
01:42:48,406 --> 01:42:49,507
YOU HAVE EVERY REASON TO

2809
01:42:49,507 --> 01:42:50,742
BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE BAD GUYS

2810
01:42:50,742 --> 01:42:51,977
THERE AT THE MOMENT.

2811
01:42:51,977 --> 01:42:53,578
YOU DON'T QUITE KNOW THE NAME OF

2812
01:42:53,578 --> 01:42:55,313
THE BAD GUY, BUT YOU KNOW THE

2813
01:42:55,313 --> 01:42:58,049
VAN, YOU KNOW THE WEAPONRY, YOU

2814
01:42:58,049 --> 01:42:59,784
KNOW THE SIZE OF THE GROUP, YOU

2815
01:42:59,784 --> 01:43:00,885
KNOW WHAT KIND OF MEETINGS HAVE

2816
01:43:00,885 --> 01:43:02,887
BEEN HELD THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW

2817
01:43:02,887 --> 01:43:06,256
THE OTHER VEHICLE THAT PULLED UP

2818
01:43:06,256 --> 01:43:09,960
AND YOU MAKE A DECISION.

2819
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,463
Narrator: JANUARY 2015.

2820
01:43:12,463 --> 01:43:14,131
C.I.A. DRONES STRIKE A TERRORIST

2821
01:43:14,131 --> 01:43:16,567
ENCAMPMENT IN PAKISTAN.

2822
01:43:16,567 --> 01:43:19,436
TO THE AGENCY'S SURPRISE, KILLED

2823
01:43:19,436 --> 01:43:21,238
ALONG WITH THE TERRORISTS ARE

2824
01:43:21,238 --> 01:43:23,306
TWO HOSTAGES, INCLUDING A

2825
01:43:23,306 --> 01:43:26,109
73-YEAR-OLD AMERICAN AID WORKER.

2826
01:43:26,109 --> 01:43:27,176
ON THE BEHALF OF THE UNITED

2827
01:43:27,176 --> 01:43:29,045
STATES GOVERNMENT, I OFFER OUR

2828
01:43:29,045 --> 01:43:30,713
DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE

2829
01:43:30,713 --> 01:43:32,281
FAMILIES.

2830
01:43:32,281 --> 01:43:33,816
THESE WERE SIGNATURE STRIKES.

2831
01:43:33,816 --> 01:43:35,551
THE NAMES OF THE TARGETS WERE

2832
01:43:35,551 --> 01:43:36,886
NOT KNOWN.

2833
01:43:36,886 --> 01:43:38,988
MISTAKES, SOMETIMES DEADLY

2834
01:43:38,988 --> 01:43:41,524
MISTAKES, CAN OCCUR.

2835
01:43:41,524 --> 01:43:43,091
IN SOME CASES WHERE PEOPLE

2836
01:43:43,091 --> 01:43:45,060
ENDED UP DEAD, I DON'T KNOW

2837
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:47,396
WHETHER THEY WERE COLLABORATORS

2838
01:43:47,396 --> 01:43:49,398
OR INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, AND

2839
01:43:49,398 --> 01:43:51,333
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THESE

2840
01:43:51,333 --> 01:43:53,568
KINDS OF REMOTE BUTTON WARFARE

2841
01:43:53,568 --> 01:43:54,703
GAMES.

2842
01:43:54,703 --> 01:43:56,738
I WOULD RATHER UP CLOSE AND

2843
01:43:56,738 --> 01:43:57,906
PERSONAL.

2844
01:43:57,906 --> 01:43:59,841
THIS IS HARD, ALL RIGHT?

2845
01:43:59,841 --> 01:44:01,242
AND ANYBODY WHO MAKES THESE

2846
01:44:01,242 --> 01:44:02,343
KINDS OF DECISIONS ARE GOING TO

2847
01:44:02,343 --> 01:44:03,811
LOSE SOME SLEEP.

2848
01:44:03,811 --> 01:44:07,081
BUT YOU'D ALSO LOSE SLEEP IF YOU

2849
01:44:07,081 --> 01:44:10,117
FAILED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS

2850
01:44:10,117 --> 01:44:11,619
AND BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO

2851
01:44:11,619 --> 01:44:14,755
AMERICANS.

2852
01:44:22,829 --> 01:44:32,338
WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU, "WHAT

2853
01:44:32,338 --> 01:44:33,973
KEEPS YOU AWAKE AT NIGHT?," WHAT

2854
01:44:33,973 --> 01:44:36,409
I WORRIED ABOUT A GREAT DEAL WAS

2855
01:44:36,409 --> 01:44:38,143
THE POTENTIAL FOR A CRIPPLING

2856
01:44:38,143 --> 01:44:40,379
CYBER ATTACK ON THIS COUNTRY, A

2857
01:44:40,379 --> 01:44:43,816
CYBER PEARL HARBOR ATTACK WHICH

2858
01:44:43,816 --> 01:44:46,618
COULD PARALYZE OUR NATION.

2859
01:44:46,618 --> 01:44:48,187
WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF

2860
01:44:48,187 --> 01:44:49,621
DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES THAT

2861
01:44:49,621 --> 01:44:50,689
COULD KEEP YOU UP.

2862
01:44:50,689 --> 01:44:52,491
IT COULD BE EVERYTHING FROM A

2863
01:44:52,491 --> 01:44:54,626
LOOSE NUKE SOMEWHERE, TO THE

2864
01:44:54,626 --> 01:44:57,028
EMPLOYMENT OF SOME KIND OF NOVEL

2865
01:44:57,028 --> 01:45:00,731
W.M.D. ELEMENT IN A DENSELY

2866
01:45:00,731 --> 01:45:02,233
POPULATED AREA OF THE UNITED

2867
01:45:02,233 --> 01:45:05,703
STATES, TO A VERY SOPHISTICATED

2868
01:45:05,703 --> 01:45:08,239
LONE WOLF ATTACK.

2869
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,108
THE HOMEGROWN TERRORIST BIT

2870
01:45:10,108 --> 01:45:12,844
IS A HUGE THREAT, EVEN THOUGH

2871
01:45:12,844 --> 01:45:14,911
NOT IN TERMS OF FATALITIES IN A

2872
01:45:14,911 --> 01:45:15,979
MASSIVE EVENT, BUT IN TERMS OF

2873
01:45:15,979 --> 01:45:17,781
PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE-- GETTING

2874
01:45:17,781 --> 01:45:19,316
US TO DO THINGS TO RESTRICT OUR

2875
01:45:19,316 --> 01:45:20,484
FREEDOMS.

2876
01:45:20,484 --> 01:45:21,818
I MEAN, IF YOU SHUT DOWN EVERY

2877
01:45:21,818 --> 01:45:23,353
MALL IN THE COUNTRY, YOU SHUT

2878
01:45:23,353 --> 01:45:25,021
DOWN THE TRAINS, THE PLANES, THE

2879
01:45:25,021 --> 01:45:26,690
BANKS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE,

2880
01:45:26,690 --> 01:45:27,691
YOU'VE DONE... YOU'VE DONE

2881
01:45:27,691 --> 01:45:29,659
SOMETHING.

2882
01:45:29,659 --> 01:45:32,229
Narrator: ONGOING THREATS,

2883
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:35,030
UNRELENTING PRESSURE-- THE

2884
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:36,398
BURDEN OF PREVENTING THE NEXT

2885
01:45:36,398 --> 01:45:38,601
TERRORIST ATTACK TAKES A

2886
01:45:38,601 --> 01:45:40,970
PERSONAL TOLL.

2887
01:45:40,970 --> 01:45:43,405
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO

2888
01:45:43,405 --> 01:45:46,375
THROUGH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE

2889
01:45:46,375 --> 01:45:48,410
OF HAVING TO MAKE LIFE AND DEATH

2890
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:51,813
DECISIONS, HAVING TO EVERY DAY,

2891
01:45:51,813 --> 01:45:55,450
EVERY DAY READ INTELLIGENCE

2892
01:45:55,450 --> 01:45:57,385
ABOUT ALL OF THE EVIL THAT'S OUT

2893
01:45:57,385 --> 01:45:59,354
THERE IN THE WORLD AND THOSE

2894
01:45:59,354 --> 01:46:01,189
THAT WANT TO STRIKE AT US.

2895
01:46:01,189 --> 01:46:02,557
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO THROUGH

2896
01:46:02,557 --> 01:46:04,559
THOSE KINDS OF DAYS AND NOT HAVE

2897
01:46:04,559 --> 01:46:06,427
IT AFFECT YOU.

2898
01:46:06,427 --> 01:46:08,396
I THINK IT DOES.

2899
01:46:08,396 --> 01:46:09,697
IT'S HARD TO HAVE A POSITIVE

2900
01:46:09,697 --> 01:46:11,365
VIEW OF HUMAN NATURE.

2901
01:46:11,365 --> 01:46:12,633
THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF DARK

2902
01:46:12,633 --> 01:46:15,035
FORCES AFOOT IN THE WORLD.

2903
01:46:15,035 --> 01:46:17,271
IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO

2904
01:46:17,271 --> 01:46:19,072
LOOK UP AT EVERY PLANE AND WATCH

2905
01:46:19,072 --> 01:46:20,707
EVERY TRAIN, AND YOU THINK,

2906
01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:22,209
"WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

2907
01:46:22,209 --> 01:46:23,477
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

2908
01:46:23,477 --> 01:46:24,878
I NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT

2909
01:46:24,878 --> 01:46:26,680
CAN GO WRONG."

2910
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:27,915
I DON'T HAVE A HUSBAND

2911
01:46:27,915 --> 01:46:29,348
ANYMORE.

2912
01:46:29,348 --> 01:46:32,051
I THINK, OVER THE YEARS, I HAD

2913
01:46:32,051 --> 01:46:34,420
JUST BECOME SUCH A ROBOT IN MY

2914
01:46:34,420 --> 01:46:37,256
APPROACH TO LIFE BECAUSE THAT

2915
01:46:37,256 --> 01:46:40,760
WAS WHAT WAS NEEDED ON THE JOB.

2916
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,862
I GOT ALL THE TRAINS OFF ON TIME

2917
01:46:42,862 --> 01:46:44,297
AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING WITH

2918
01:46:44,297 --> 01:46:47,332
THE FAMILY, BUT THEY DON'T

2919
01:46:47,332 --> 01:46:49,000
NECESSARILY SEE ME AS HAVING

2920
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,602
BEEN EMOTIONALLY PRESENT IN

2921
01:46:50,602 --> 01:46:52,437
THEIR LIVES.

2922
01:46:52,437 --> 01:46:54,506
THAT'S A HARD THING TO TAKE.

2923
01:46:54,506 --> 01:46:56,808
THE REASON I'M SO STRONG FOR

2924
01:46:56,808 --> 01:47:00,111
C.I.A. IS, I SAW THEIR DEDICATED

2925
01:47:00,111 --> 01:47:02,247
MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK THERE

2926
01:47:02,247 --> 01:47:03,515
GET NO CREDIT.

2927
01:47:03,515 --> 01:47:05,350
NOT OUT IN THE OPEN AT ALL.

2928
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:07,451
AND I JUST ADMIRED THEIR

2929
01:47:07,451 --> 01:47:09,920
PATRIOTISM AND THEIR DEDICATION

2930
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,655
TO THIS COUNTRY.

2931
01:47:11,655 --> 01:47:13,424
IT WAS VERY, VERY HARD.

2932
01:47:13,424 --> 01:47:14,592
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS NOTICED

2933
01:47:14,592 --> 01:47:16,694
SOMETHING-- WIVES OF C.I.A.

2934
01:47:16,694 --> 01:47:18,162
DIRECTORS.

2935
01:47:18,162 --> 01:47:23,300
THE WIVES ARE, TO A PERSON, OF

2936
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:24,934
THE VIEW THAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS

2937
01:47:24,934 --> 01:47:30,173
NOT GOOD FOR THEIR HUSBANDS.

2938
01:47:30,173 --> 01:47:31,474
Narrator: THE SPYMASTERS ARE

2939
01:47:31,474 --> 01:47:33,776
ALL TOO HUMAN-- THEIR SUCCESSES

2940
01:47:33,776 --> 01:47:36,579
OFTEN SECRET, THEIR MISTAKES

2941
01:47:36,579 --> 01:47:40,283
EXPOSED AND MAGNIFIED.

2942
01:47:40,283 --> 01:47:41,484
THE SCANDAL COMES AT A

2943
01:47:41,484 --> 01:47:43,218
SENSITIVE TIME FOR PETRAEUS AND

2944
01:47:43,218 --> 01:47:45,220
THE C.I.A.

2945
01:47:45,220 --> 01:47:46,588
DAVID PETRAEUS IS NOT THE

2946
01:47:46,588 --> 01:47:48,056
FIRST HIGH-RANKING WASHINGTON

2947
01:47:48,056 --> 01:47:49,791
OFFICIAL TO HAVE AN AFFAIR, BUT

2948
01:47:49,791 --> 01:47:51,727
HE IS THE FIRST C.I.A. DIRECTOR

2949
01:47:51,727 --> 01:47:53,695
TO RESIGN BECAUSE OF ONE.

2950
01:47:53,695 --> 01:47:55,297
THE PETRAEUS INDISCRETIONS CAME

2951
01:47:55,297 --> 01:47:56,965
TO THE ATTENTION OF THE F.B.I.

2952
01:47:56,965 --> 01:47:59,534
YOU WERE CONFIRMED IN THE JOB

2953
01:47:59,534 --> 01:48:02,803
BY A VOTE OF 92-0.

2954
01:48:02,803 --> 01:48:04,872
PRECIPITOUS FALL.

2955
01:48:04,872 --> 01:48:07,275
HOW TOUGH WAS THAT?

2956
01:48:07,275 --> 01:48:08,709
PRECIPITOUS FALLS ARE VERY

2957
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:09,844
TOUGH.

2958
01:48:09,844 --> 01:48:11,145
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SAYING IN

2959
01:48:11,145 --> 01:48:12,246
THE MILITARY, "THE HIGHER YOU GO

2960
01:48:12,246 --> 01:48:13,981
UP THE FLAGPOLE, THE MORE CHANCE

2961
01:48:13,981 --> 01:48:15,816
YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR BACKSIDE."

2962
01:48:15,816 --> 01:48:17,918
AND I WAS WELL UP THE FLAGPOLE

2963
01:48:17,918 --> 01:48:22,722
AND DID JUST THAT.

2964
01:48:22,722 --> 01:48:23,857
Narrator: SOME DIRECTORS

2965
01:48:23,857 --> 01:48:25,158
WORRY THAT THE AGENCY'S MISSION

2966
01:48:25,158 --> 01:48:27,794
HAS CHANGED, THAT THE C.I.A.,

2967
01:48:27,794 --> 01:48:29,496
ONCE AN INTELLIGENCE AND

2968
01:48:29,496 --> 01:48:31,831
ESPIONAGE SERVICE, HAS BECOME

2969
01:48:31,831 --> 01:48:36,169
TOO FOCUSED ON LETHAL COVERT

2970
01:48:36,169 --> 01:48:41,106
ACTION.

2971
01:48:41,106 --> 01:48:43,409
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT C.I.A.

2972
01:48:43,409 --> 01:48:45,311
TODAY HAS A MUCH LARGER

2973
01:48:45,311 --> 01:48:47,146
PARAMILITARY MISSION THAN IT

2974
01:48:47,146 --> 01:48:49,381
EVER HAS, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK

2975
01:48:49,381 --> 01:48:50,883
TO ITS ROOTS.

2976
01:48:50,883 --> 01:48:52,718
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT OVER THE

2977
01:48:52,718 --> 01:48:54,520
LONG-TERM THAT'S NOT A HEALTHY

2978
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,789
THING, BECAUSE THE PRIMARY JOB

2979
01:48:57,789 --> 01:48:59,490
OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

2980
01:48:59,490 --> 01:49:01,025
AGENCY IS TO COLLECT SECRETS.

2981
01:49:01,025 --> 01:49:02,226
LOOK, I'LL BE TOTALLY CANDID

2982
01:49:02,226 --> 01:49:03,594
WITH YOU.

2983
01:49:03,594 --> 01:49:05,196
AN AWFUL LOT OF WHAT WE NOW CALL

2984
01:49:05,196 --> 01:49:06,964
ANALYSIS IN THE AMERICAN

2985
01:49:06,964 --> 01:49:09,000
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS REALLY

2986
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,335
TARGETING.

2987
01:49:10,335 --> 01:49:11,903
WE'RE SAFER BECAUSE OF IT, BUT

2988
01:49:11,903 --> 01:49:17,541
IT HAS NOT BEEN COST-FREE.

2989
01:49:17,541 --> 01:49:19,042
I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A

2990
01:49:19,042 --> 01:49:21,378
TENDENCY TO GET SO CAUGHT UP IN

2991
01:49:21,378 --> 01:49:24,214
THE SCINTILLATING COVERT WORLD,

2992
01:49:24,214 --> 01:49:26,216
THAT WE FORGET THAT IT'S ON THE

2993
01:49:26,216 --> 01:49:27,818
ANALYTICAL SIDE AND THE

2994
01:49:27,818 --> 01:49:29,853
ESPIONAGE SIDE THAT C.I.A.

2995
01:49:29,853 --> 01:49:33,523
ACTUALLY EARNS ITS MONEY.

2996
01:49:33,523 --> 01:49:34,757
I MEAN, JUST THINK ABOUT THE

2997
01:49:34,757 --> 01:49:36,559
PAST DECADE OR MORE HAD WE NOT

2998
01:49:36,559 --> 01:49:38,227
GONE TO WAR IN IRAQ, WHAT THE

2999
01:49:38,227 --> 01:49:40,896
WORLD WOULD LOOK LIKE.

3000
01:49:40,896 --> 01:49:43,032
SO... AND THAT'S AN ANALYTICAL

3001
01:49:43,032 --> 01:49:44,266
FAILURE.

3002
01:49:44,266 --> 01:49:45,568
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T

3003
01:49:45,568 --> 01:49:46,602
KILL.

3004
01:49:46,602 --> 01:49:47,803
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T

3005
01:49:47,803 --> 01:49:48,838
PROTECT YOURSELF.

3006
01:49:48,838 --> 01:49:50,072
THERE'S JUST A BIGGER ISSUE THAT

3007
01:49:50,072 --> 01:49:51,407
YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR ARMS

3008
01:49:51,407 --> 01:49:52,907
AROUND, WHICH IS THE CREATION OF

3009
01:49:52,907 --> 01:49:59,681
TERRORISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

3010
01:49:59,681 --> 01:50:01,683
LOOK, LET'S BE VERY CANDID.

3011
01:50:01,683 --> 01:50:03,551
THIS IS ABOUT ISLAM.

3012
01:50:03,551 --> 01:50:04,919
NOW, I'M NOT CRITICIZING ONE OF

3013
01:50:04,919 --> 01:50:06,388
THE WORLD'S GREAT MONOTHEISMS.

3014
01:50:06,388 --> 01:50:08,356
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE QURAN, IT'S

3015
01:50:08,356 --> 01:50:10,058
NOT ABOUT THE PROPHET, BUT IT IS

3016
01:50:10,058 --> 01:50:11,458
ABOUT THE WAY IT IS BEING

3017
01:50:11,458 --> 01:50:16,330
MISUSED.

3018
01:50:16,330 --> 01:50:18,165
MY VIEW OF THIS, FRANKLY, IS

3019
01:50:18,165 --> 01:50:20,000
THAT THIS IS NOT SO MUCH

3020
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,870
RELIGION AS JUST EVIL, AND WE'VE

3021
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:24,938
ALWAYS HAD TO DEAL WITH EVIL.

3022
01:50:24,938 --> 01:50:28,075
I MEAN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO DO

3023
01:50:28,075 --> 01:50:31,477
EVIL THINGS, THEY MAY EXCUSE

3024
01:50:31,477 --> 01:50:34,680
WHAT THEY DO BASED ON JIHAD,

3025
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,115
BASED ON THE POWER OF THE

3026
01:50:36,115 --> 01:50:39,519
CHURCH, BUT DEEP DOWN THESE ARE

3027
01:50:39,519 --> 01:50:44,023
PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL.

3028
01:50:48,127 --> 01:50:49,494
CIVIL UPRISINGS QUICKLY

3029
01:50:49,494 --> 01:50:51,563
BECAME A TSUNAMI OF CITIZENS

3030
01:50:51,563 --> 01:50:53,698
ROARING FOR FREEDOM.

3031
01:50:53,698 --> 01:50:54,966
THERE'S BEEN A TRANSFORMATION

3032
01:50:54,966 --> 01:50:56,001
OF SORTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

3033
01:50:56,001 --> 01:50:58,770
BECAUSE THE ARAB SPRING, WHILE

3034
01:50:58,770 --> 01:51:02,274
IT HAS REGRESSED IN SOME WAYS,

3035
01:51:02,274 --> 01:51:03,875
THEY UNLEASHED A SERIES OF

3036
01:51:03,875 --> 01:51:06,611
FORCES THAT BASICALLY SAID, "WE

3037
01:51:06,611 --> 01:51:08,145
WANT A BETTER WAY OF LIFE.

3038
01:51:08,145 --> 01:51:09,613
WE WANT A FUNCTIONING CIVIL

3039
01:51:09,613 --> 01:51:16,787
SOCIETY."

3040
01:51:16,787 --> 01:51:18,989
SO, IN PART, THE

3041
01:51:18,989 --> 01:51:20,925
MESSAGE HAS TO BE TO ISLAM

3042
01:51:20,925 --> 01:51:24,628
ITSELF, IS, YOU HAVE TO CREATE

3043
01:51:24,628 --> 01:51:26,529
VIBRANT CIVIL SOCIETIES THAT

3044
01:51:26,529 --> 01:51:28,798
WORK, THAT CREATE EDUCATIONAL

3045
01:51:28,798 --> 01:51:29,866
OPPORTUNITIES.

3046
01:51:29,866 --> 01:51:31,034
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE

3047
01:51:31,034 --> 01:51:32,635
TO DO FOR THEMSELVES.

3048
01:51:32,635 --> 01:51:34,103
DEALING WITH THIS

3049
01:51:34,103 --> 01:51:35,305
RADICALIZATION THAT'S TAKING

3050
01:51:35,305 --> 01:51:37,073
PLACE AMONG THESE YOUNG MEN AND

3051
01:51:37,073 --> 01:51:38,174
YOUNG WOMEN IS THE BIGGER

3052
01:51:38,174 --> 01:51:44,246
PROBLEM, AND UNTIL WE GET OUR

3053
01:51:44,246 --> 01:51:46,248
ARMS AROUND THAT, THIS WAR IS

3054
01:51:46,248 --> 01:51:49,718
NOT GOING AWAY.

3055
01:51:49,718 --> 01:51:52,221
THE HARSH TRUTH IS, TERRORISM

3056
01:51:52,221 --> 01:51:53,689
IS RIGHT NOW WORSE THAN IT'S

3057
01:51:53,689 --> 01:51:55,924
EVER BEEN.

3058
01:51:55,924 --> 01:51:57,259
IT'S THE LARGEST SAFE HAVEN

3059
01:51:57,259 --> 01:51:58,494
THEY'VE HAD IN MORE THAN A

3060
01:51:58,494 --> 01:52:00,696
DECADE WITH MONEY, ACCESS,

3061
01:52:00,696 --> 01:52:05,366
NARRATIVE AND TERRITORY.

3062
01:52:05,366 --> 01:52:06,901
I'VE COME TO THE VIEW IN DEALING

3063
01:52:06,901 --> 01:52:09,904
WITH BAD GUYS THAT GENERALLY YOU

3064
01:52:09,904 --> 01:52:11,772
SHOULD BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY.

3065
01:52:11,772 --> 01:52:12,840
MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO TRY

3066
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:13,908
AND DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU

3067
01:52:13,908 --> 01:52:15,076
THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

3068
01:52:15,076 --> 01:52:16,777
FOR NOW, I WOULD SAY THE ISIS'

3069
01:52:16,777 --> 01:52:18,746
OBJECTIVE IS TO CONSOLIDATE

3070
01:52:18,746 --> 01:52:20,815
THEIR POSITION IN THIS SO-CALLED

3071
01:52:20,815 --> 01:52:22,682
CALIPHATE, BUT UNLESS THEY ARE

3072
01:52:22,682 --> 01:52:26,219
STAMPED OUT, THEY'LL COME HERE.

3073
01:52:26,219 --> 01:52:29,723
THEY'LL COME HERE. OUR

3074
01:52:29,723 --> 01:52:31,525
SENSIBILITIES AND SOULS HAVE

3075
01:52:31,525 --> 01:52:34,227
BEEN GERARD BY THE HORRIFIC AND

3076
01:52:34,227 --> 01:52:36,863
WONTON VIOLENCE PERPETRATED UPON

3077
01:52:36,863 --> 01:52:39,432
THE INNOCENT IN THE STREETS,

3078
01:52:39,432 --> 01:52:42,368
CAFES AND CONCERT HALLS

3079
01:52:42,368 --> 01:52:45,104
IN THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF PARIS.

3080
01:52:45,104 --> 01:52:47,640
TO SAY WE'RE NOT IN THEIR GUN

3081
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,508
SIGHTS REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT

3082
01:52:49,508 --> 01:52:52,611
TOO MUCH OF PRE-9/11, WHERE

3083
01:52:52,611 --> 01:52:54,547
FRANKLY THE C.I.A. ENCOUNTERED,

3084
01:52:54,547 --> 01:52:56,282
IN MUCH OF THE WORLD, WHAT I

3085
01:52:56,282 --> 01:52:57,416
WOULD CALL A CLIMATE OF

3086
01:52:57,416 --> 01:52:58,483
DISBELIEF.

3087
01:53:06,591 --> 01:53:08,993
I WISH WE WOULD JUST CAPTURE

3088
01:53:08,993 --> 01:53:12,797
SOME PEOPLE.

3089
01:53:12,797 --> 01:53:14,132
I'VE GOT MORE FINGERS ON THIS

3090
01:53:14,132 --> 01:53:15,500
HAND THAN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

3091
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:17,100
WE'VE CAPTURED SINCE I LEFT

3092
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:18,468
GOVERNMENT.

3093
01:53:18,468 --> 01:53:19,836
WE'VE MADE IT SO LEGALLY

3094
01:53:19,836 --> 01:53:21,138
DIFFICULT AND POLITICALLY

3095
01:53:21,138 --> 01:53:22,806
DANGEROUS TO CAPTURE THAT WE

3096
01:53:22,806 --> 01:53:23,907
DON'T.

3097
01:53:23,907 --> 01:53:25,208
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RULES

3098
01:53:25,208 --> 01:53:26,777
OF ENGAGEMENT ARE.

3099
01:53:26,777 --> 01:53:28,245
ARE WE DEALING WITH ENEMY

3100
01:53:28,245 --> 01:53:29,413
COMBATANTS?

3101
01:53:29,413 --> 01:53:31,214
ARE WE DEALING WITH CRIMINALS?

3102
01:53:31,214 --> 01:53:33,817
ARE WE DEALING WITH THUGS?

3103
01:53:33,817 --> 01:53:35,518
ARE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IS,

3104
01:53:35,518 --> 01:53:36,686
WE SHOOT FIRST?

3105
01:53:36,686 --> 01:53:38,020
WE ONLY SHOOT IF WE GET SHOT AT?

3106
01:53:38,020 --> 01:53:39,522
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE...

3107
01:53:39,522 --> 01:53:42,758
THE REMEDY TO TERRORISM IS USING

3108
01:53:42,758 --> 01:53:44,627
THE POINTY END OF THE SPEAR,

3109
01:53:44,627 --> 01:53:46,329
KICKING DOWN THE DOORS, TAKING

3110
01:53:46,329 --> 01:53:47,496
ACTION AGAINST THE TERRORIST

3111
01:53:47,496 --> 01:53:48,030
ORGANIZATIONS.

3112
01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:49,365
THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WE CAN

3113
01:53:49,365 --> 01:53:50,666
KILL OUR WAY OUT OF.

3114
01:53:50,666 --> 01:53:52,368
YOU CANNOT KILL YOUR WAY OUT

3115
01:53:52,368 --> 01:53:53,069
OF THIS.

3116
01:53:53,069 --> 01:53:54,269
YOU CANNOT KILL YOUR WAY OUT.

3117
01:53:54,269 --> 01:53:55,570
YOU CAN'T KILL YOUR WAY OUT

3118
01:53:55,570 --> 01:53:56,338
OF THIS.

3119
01:53:56,338 --> 01:53:57,672
THAT'S A MISTAKE.

3120
01:53:57,672 --> 01:53:58,840
IT'S A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN

3121
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:00,041
JUST KILLING PEOPLE.

3122
01:54:00,041 --> 01:54:02,010
IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

3123
01:54:07,749 --> 01:54:09,117
NOW WE CAN LIVE IN A WORLD

3124
01:54:09,117 --> 01:54:10,485
WHERE WE ALL TRY TO SEE WHO

3125
01:54:10,485 --> 01:54:11,886
COULD BE THE TOUGHEST, THE

3126
01:54:11,886 --> 01:54:15,422
MEANEST AND SO FORTH, BUT IT

3127
01:54:15,422 --> 01:54:16,957
ISN'T GOING TO BE THE KIND OF

3128
01:54:16,957 --> 01:54:18,525
WORLD THAT WE BELIEVE WE WANT

3129
01:54:18,525 --> 01:54:20,494
FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR THEIR

3130
01:54:20,494 --> 01:54:26,300
CHILDREN.

3131
01:54:26,300 --> 01:54:28,068
I MAY BE A BIT OF A HERETIC

3132
01:54:28,068 --> 01:54:30,571
BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY SEE

3133
01:54:30,571 --> 01:54:32,939
TERRORISTS OR TERRORISM AS A

3134
01:54:32,939 --> 01:54:34,140
THREAT TO U.S. NATIONAL

3135
01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:40,546
SECURITY.

3136
01:54:40,546 --> 01:54:42,749
TO ME, OUR NATION'S SECURITY IS

3137
01:54:42,749 --> 01:54:45,785
ONLY THREATENED BY US IF WE

3138
01:54:45,785 --> 01:54:48,955
CHOOSE TO CHANGE COURSE AND

3139
01:54:48,955 --> 01:54:53,258
BECOME SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT.

3140
01:54:53,258 --> 01:54:55,360
SO, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE

3141
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:58,697
FIGHT AGAINST AL QAEDA AND ISIS,

3142
01:54:58,697 --> 01:54:59,898
THE BIG PICTURE IS A GREAT

3143
01:54:59,898 --> 01:55:02,367
VICTORY FOR US AND A GREAT

3144
01:55:02,367 --> 01:55:04,369
VICTORY FOR THEM.

3145
01:55:04,369 --> 01:55:05,971
OUR GREAT VICTORY HAS BEEN THE

3146
01:55:05,971 --> 01:55:08,973
DEGRADATION, DECIMATION, NEAR

3147
01:55:08,973 --> 01:55:11,342
DEFEAT OF THAT AL QAEDA CORE

3148
01:55:11,342 --> 01:55:13,611
THAT BROUGHT THAT TRAGEDY TO OUR

3149
01:55:13,611 --> 01:55:15,446
SHORES ON 9/11.

3150
01:55:15,446 --> 01:55:16,981
THEIR GREAT VICTORY HAS BEEN THE

3151
01:55:16,981 --> 01:55:19,717
SPREAD OF THEIR IDEOLOGY ACROSS

3152
01:55:19,717 --> 01:55:22,453
A HUGE GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

3153
01:55:22,453 --> 01:55:29,526
THAT'S BEEN THEIR GREAT VICTORY.

3154
01:55:29,526 --> 01:55:32,562
I FEAR AND I REALIZE THAT

3155
01:55:32,562 --> 01:55:34,898
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AN END TO

3156
01:55:34,898 --> 01:55:36,433
TERRORISM IN MY LIFETIME OR MY

3157
01:55:36,433 --> 01:55:39,269
CHILDREN'S LIFETIME.

3158
01:55:47,342 --> 01:55:55,384
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO

3159
01:56:04,158 --> 01:56:05,359
CONTINUE TO DO OUR JOBS EVERY

3160
01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:07,495
DAY TO MINIMIZE TO THE GREATEST

3161
01:56:07,495 --> 01:56:08,996
EXTENT POSSIBLE THE ABILITY OF

3162
01:56:08,996 --> 01:56:11,099
THESE INDIVIDUALS TO

3163
01:56:11,099 --> 01:56:13,000
SUCCESSFULLY CARRY OUT THESE...

3164
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:17,138
THESE TERRORIST ACTS.

3165
01:56:17,138 --> 01:56:18,339
THAT'S WHAT INTELLIGENCE IS

3166
01:56:18,339 --> 01:56:19,407
REALLY TRYING TO DO.

3167
01:56:19,407 --> 01:56:20,742
WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE TIME AND

3168
01:56:20,742 --> 01:56:22,976
SPACE TO POLICY MAKERS, TO OUR

3169
01:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,011
DIPLOMATS, TO OUR NEGOTIATORS TO

3170
01:56:25,011 --> 01:56:26,379
RESOLVE SOME OF THESE

3171
01:56:26,379 --> 01:56:27,647
OUTSTANDING ISSUES AND TENSIONS

3172
01:56:27,647 --> 01:56:31,251
THAT EXIST IN THE WORLD.

3173
01:56:31,251 --> 01:56:32,790
THE REALITY IS THAT

3174
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:34,725
INTELLIGENCE OR DIRECT ACTION

3175
01:56:34,725 --> 01:56:37,528
ONLY BUYS YOU SPACE.

3176
01:56:37,528 --> 01:56:39,163
IT RARELY SOLVES THE PROBLEM ON

3177
01:56:39,163 --> 01:56:40,598
ITS OWN.

3178
01:56:40,598 --> 01:56:42,133
AND IF POLITICAL LEADERS DON'T

3179
01:56:42,133 --> 01:56:43,801
HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL OR THE

3180
01:56:43,801 --> 01:56:45,102
COURAGE OR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO

3181
01:56:45,102 --> 01:56:47,571
USE THE SPACE, YOU GET INTO THIS

3182
01:56:47,571 --> 01:56:49,006
LOOP WHERE YOU GET TO KILL

3183
01:56:49,006 --> 01:56:51,308
PEOPLE FOREVER.

3184
01:56:53,644 --> 01:56:56,113
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