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Divorced with four children.

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I think the pastor helped him.

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Help?

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Mr. Burke, they're being
talking to the Bishop behind.

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Pastor? /
In the dining room.

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Are there reporters?

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From The Citizen,
but we have expelled.

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There is no big newspaper.

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Defend like that.

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Who is that? /
Assistant District Attorney.

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It must be difficult to hide the accusations from the newspaper.

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What accusation?

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Say to Pastor Geoghan
this will not be long.

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Sheila, you certainly know the Church's contribution to society.

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But I give you
direct guarantees...

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... I will issue
Pastor from the parish...

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... and this will not happen again.

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Soon, Paul.

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Good, Father.

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Sheila, this is my name card...

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Losing a good reporter
is always difficult.

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OFFICE BOSTON GLOBE - JULY 2001

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But losing the best reporter...

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Maybe it's more clear...

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... very painful.

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But Robby has been a long time
getting to know Stewart...

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... than your life...

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... so it's better if he just speaks
. Robby.

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Thank you, Ben.
Maybe.

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Even though my seniority
has nothing to do,...

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... but I can say leaving
Stewart is very painful for me...

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... because...
Why, Stewart?

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It's been 20 years?

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Stewart
generous attitude is more than just...

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... spend the money
on the poker table.

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And I have a child
who has gone to college.

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But I will still play. /
The problem is over.

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Good luck.

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Stewart, I feel
when you leave...

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... rather confusing.

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Office space in an empty corner.

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Your replacement editor
just arrived Monday,...

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... so sorry,
I have to ask you.

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Do you get good news?

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How is the cake?

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Delicious.
You don't eat me?

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This is for Mike.
I don't like cakes like this.

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My stomach can hurt. /
I know.

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Have you seen the numbers
from Washington?

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Yes. Very interesting. /
I think too.

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I didn't ask if the police were lying, they were lying.

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I just asked,
who is the mastermind?

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Good. I understand.
You don't want to talk.

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I'm not angry, Dan.
I am hungry.

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We talked a long time
until I forgot to eat.

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So I'm looking for food first...

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... so you have
an hour to decide...

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... do you want to be
on the right side...

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... or read the news
like everyone else.

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Dah, Dan.

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Do you think Cahill has information?

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Maybe. But I think this case isn't for us.

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Ben likes it. /
The case isn't bad, but it's not Spotlight.

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What's not Spotlight?

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Cases of fraud in the police. /
It feels small.

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Have you made Cahill speak?

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Not yet, soon.

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Good. That way we can
know what the case feels small.

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What is the event above? /
Good.

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Robby gives greetings
good farewell. - Definitely.

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He said Lubin and Connor
would move to The Times.

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Really? /
He said that.

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They continue to weaken us.

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At least we are given
new people from Miami.

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Hopefully useful.

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Has the Baron ever lived in Boston?

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You might not have been here before.
Buy him a map.

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My friend in Miami said
he fired 15% of employees.

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Good. /
Hey, Robby.

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Do new bosses want
to fire employees?

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Where do I know.

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You want to meet him, right?

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Yes. /
So it's about Spotlight?

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I don't know, Mike,
but what I know...

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... Ben needs an answer
that fraud case.

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That case is inappropriate for us.

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Mr. Baron.

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Walter Robinson. Robby.

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Thank you for spending
your time on the weekend.

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With pleasure./
Thank you.

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What do you read?

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"Bambino Curse".

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A good book.

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Globe has season tickets at Fenway...

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... if you are interested.

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Thank you.

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But honestly
I'm not a fan of Baseball.

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I just want to feel the atmosphere of this city.

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Yes.

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Are you real Boston?

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Yes. Born and raised here.

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Many of our reporters are from here.

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It feels like a local newspaper.

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And the situation changes after
this newspaper is sold to the Times?

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No.
Not too influential.

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Good.

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Are you the Spotlight team editor?

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I prefer to call it
players and coaches. But right.

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Do you already know
about Spotlight?

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Not really.

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Our investigation team
numbered four people.

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We report to
Ben Bradlee, Jr....

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... and we keep our work confidential.

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What are you doing right now?

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We have just issued
cases of dilapidated buildings...

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... and currently we are
looking for other hot topics.

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How long is it usually?

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It's hard to say.
Several months.

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A few months?

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We don't want to rush.

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After getting the topic, we will investigate it for a year or more.

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Is there a problem? /
Not really.

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But our readers are decreasing.

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People can search confidential information
over the internet so...

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... I have to pay more attention.

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So you will do the dismissal?

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Think of it like that...

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... but right now I'm
focusing more on improving...

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... the quality of this newspaper
for readers.

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I think it's like that.

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Good. But I think we can be even better.

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Mr. Bradlee./
Hey.

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I've seen a case in the Police.
Interesting.

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There must be something there.

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How long will it take? /
Another week.

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Where are you going? /
Meeting at 10:30.

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Since when?

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Technically, I'm an editor.

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Technically.

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Did your meeting with Baron
run smoothly?

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I can't read his mind. /
Tumben.

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How about you? /
"Very humorous."

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Morning everything.
Let's start.

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Do you have anything to say, Marty?

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Yes.

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Hello.

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As you know,
my name is Marty Baron.

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I'm happy to be here.

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Please introduce yourself.
That's very helpful.

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Thank you.

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Good. Peter?

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Peter Canellos, Metro.

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I have news about
closing the Big Dig project.

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Hey, Steve.
Mike.

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Bad match last night.

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They are very poor.

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Why is Eileen McNamara in the meeting room?

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You need something, Mike? /
No, just curious.

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Just curious elsewhere.
I am busy.

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Good, Steve.

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Bye ./
Yes.

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It seems Pedro can be absent from
to 1 September.

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Jimmy said he would come back
this year, but the doctor wasn't sure.

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When is the bet opened?

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Already all?

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Already ./
Good.

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Thank you.

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Do you read Eileen McNamara's
column this week?

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The Geoghan case?

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Yes. What next?

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That's just a column.
What other continuation?

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It seems this pastor
molested children...

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... in six different parishes
over the past 30 years...

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... and the lawyers of the victims, Mr....

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Garabedian./
Thank you, Eileen.

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Mr. The Garabedian says
Cardinal Law knows...

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... that question since 15 years ago
and let it go.

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I think his lawyer is a little crazy...

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... and the Church has already denied this accusation.

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Wind news.

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Either Mr. Garabedian
crazy or not...

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... but he said he had a document
which proved the Cardinal knew.

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What I know,
the document is confidential.

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But the fact is clear, a
Boston pastor molested 80 children.

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A lawyer says
he has Law evidence to know...

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... and we have reviewed these two cases in the last 6 months.

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I think this is important news
for local newspapers.

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We must investigate these documents.

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How do you do it?

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I don't know the law here,...

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... but in Florida
we go to court.

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Do you want to sue the Church?

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The technique is not so.

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We submit a motion to
open the document.

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The Church will assume
we demand them.

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So do others.

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00:11:26,979 --> 00:11:28,314
Nice to hear it.

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Brave decision
for the first day.

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Agree.

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What is the board's response later?

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Maybe Gilman can be angry.

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00:11:38,032 --> 00:11:39,533
Hey. /
Close the door.

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How is the meeting?

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The Baron wants us to submit a motion so that the Geoghan case document is open to the public.

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Demanding the Church?
Extraordinary.

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00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:51,462
We have covered it
three years ago.

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Baron is still in Miami at that time.

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Still in the Times exactly.

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He is not here.

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Can we win?

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Depends on the judge.

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And where in the parish does he become a congregation?

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Bradlee. Yes.

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Good.

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Baron wants to talk to us.

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us?

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Good, Jon. thanks.

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Yes. thanks.

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I have arranged a meeting tomorrow
with an outside lawyer.

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Jon Albano? /
Yes.

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Who is the judge?

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Constance Sweeney.

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Weight./
Why?

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Obedient Catholic women.

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So...

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... based on what I read,
we don't...

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... investigate the Geoghan case
well.

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Right? /
No.

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We have tried hard.

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David Armstrong in the Metro column,
Michael Paulson in the Religion column.

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Good, but what I know,...

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... in addition to daily coverage,
we haven't...

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... do a thorough
investigation...

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... regarding the truth or not
Cardinal Law knows this.

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Not yet.

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00:13:06,871 --> 00:13:08,751
And that's your type of news, right?

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Spotlight? Yes.

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00:13:10,416 --> 00:13:14,128
But we are still investigating the case of the Boston Police.

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Can you delay the case first?

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Can.

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Marty, Spotlight can succeed...

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... because they chose the topic themselves.

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Do you want to take this topic?

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I don't know whether
he wrote about you,...

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... but I'll tell you
you call.

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Dah.

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Hey./
How?

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Good.

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Baron wants us to investigate the Geoghan case.

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Good. /
Didn't we cover it?

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There is a lawyer who says
Cardinal Law knows about this.

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Mitch Garabedian, right? /
Yes.

259
00:13:50,748 --> 00:13:51,988
I interviewed him
in court.

260
00:13:52,416 --> 00:13:54,296
Can you meet him? /
I just interviewed him once.

261
00:13:54,335 --> 00:13:55,669
The person is less friendly.

262
00:13:55,753 --> 00:13:57,046
I like that person.
Let me.

263
00:13:57,254 --> 00:13:58,339
Good. Meet him.

264
00:13:58,422 --> 00:14:00,382
We also have to talk to...

265
00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:02,343
... lawyers for victims
in Porter's case.

266
00:14:02,426 --> 00:14:03,427
Eric Macleish./
Right.

267
00:14:03,552 --> 00:14:06,388
Always appear on TV. /
Porter case?

268
00:14:06,597 --> 00:14:09,225
Try to remind me. /
Pastor Porter, same case.

269
00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:11,769
Desecrate dozens of young children
in Fall River 10 years ago.

270
00:14:11,852 --> 00:14:13,145
So we stop
the Boston police case?

271
00:14:13,229 --> 00:14:14,355
Agree. /
No, no.

272
00:14:14,438 --> 00:14:16,357
We postpone first.

273
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,025
I don't want to say this.

274
00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:19,693
But we must be more careful.

275
00:14:19,777 --> 00:14:20,986
Understand?

276
00:14:21,070 --> 00:14:23,572
Everything will be interested,
not only The Herald.

277
00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:26,959
Cardinal Law should not know this matter
before we can prove it.

278
00:14:28,118 --> 00:14:29,453
Good luck.

279
00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:36,544
When did Grandma leave?

280
00:14:36,627 --> 00:14:39,630
Bus will pick us up
in the church parking lot at 9 am.

281
00:14:39,755 --> 00:14:41,090
There are 40 congregations who leave.

282
00:14:41,382 --> 00:14:42,800
Did Father Dominic come along?

283
00:14:42,967 --> 00:14:44,802
No, he said
he was not lucky.

284
00:14:44,969 --> 00:14:46,554
But luck
has nothing to do.

285
00:14:46,804 --> 00:14:49,473
Previously grandmother won 160 dollars.
Wow.

286
00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:53,602
Do you want to tell him?

287
00:14:54,812 --> 00:14:56,355
We don't even know what the news is.

288
00:14:56,438 --> 00:14:58,983
"Globe demands church?"
There must be something.

289
00:15:18,669 --> 00:15:21,672
Lisa. Can you find all files
about this case?

290
00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:23,340
Yes.

291
00:15:23,507 --> 00:15:24,925
Is this for Spotlight?

292
00:15:25,092 --> 00:15:26,892
Just give me
if I can. thanks.

293
00:15:29,847 --> 00:15:32,141
Excuse me, do you know
where is the publisher's office?

294
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:34,685
Good.

295
00:15:38,022 --> 00:15:39,315
How are you, Marty?

296
00:15:39,857 --> 00:15:41,025
Is it at home?

297
00:15:41,275 --> 00:15:43,694
Looks like that. /
Good.

298
00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,362
What can I do for you?

299
00:15:47,948 --> 00:15:50,701
I want to file a motion so that the Geoghan case document be opened.

300
00:15:51,744 --> 00:15:53,203
Do you want to sue the Catholic Church?

301
00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:58,042
We only filed a motion, but...

302
00:15:58,208 --> 00:15:59,209
Yes.

303
00:16:00,044 --> 00:16:01,211
Do you think it's useful?

304
00:16:02,171 --> 00:16:03,756
Yes.

305
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,801
The church can sue back.

306
00:16:07,885 --> 00:16:10,471
Our readers will find out.

307
00:16:10,554 --> 00:16:12,222
53% of them are Catholics.

308
00:16:12,723 --> 00:16:14,058
Good.

309
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,727
I think they will be interested.

310
00:16:20,397 --> 00:16:21,398
Good.

311
00:16:26,737 --> 00:16:28,864
Marty, the diocese may
contact you...

312
00:16:28,947 --> 00:16:30,032
... to meet with the Cardinal.

313
00:16:30,115 --> 00:16:31,116
Habits here.

314
00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:35,120
They have contacted me.
Next week's meeting.

315
00:16:36,622 --> 00:16:38,290
It's useless I tell you.

316
00:16:49,259 --> 00:16:50,260
Hello?

317
00:16:53,806 --> 00:16:55,182
Hello?

318
00:16:55,265 --> 00:16:56,517
Can anyone be helped? /
Hi.

319
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,160
I'm Mike Rezendes
from The Boston Globe.

320
00:16:58,227 --> 00:16:59,812
I want to see Mitchell Garabedian.

321
00:17:00,270 --> 00:17:02,398
He is calling.
Please sit.

322
00:17:03,107 --> 00:17:04,483
Good.

323
00:17:05,776 --> 00:17:07,444
Okay, I'm listening.
Continue.

324
00:17:10,447 --> 00:17:11,448
Good.

325
00:17:12,116 --> 00:17:14,034
Bill! Where is the file?

326
00:17:14,159 --> 00:17:16,078
I told you
put it on my desk!

327
00:17:31,427 --> 00:17:34,263
The famous Walter Robinson
is in my room.

328
00:17:35,472 --> 00:17:36,592
Nice to meet again, Eric.

329
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,016
Sacha Pfeiffer. Eric Macleish.

330
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,143
Nice to meet. /
You're welcome.

331
00:17:39,226 --> 00:17:41,228
You don't play golf?

332
00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:43,272
No./
Good.

333
00:17:43,355 --> 00:17:44,690
This colleague makes me lose money...

334
00:17:44,773 --> 00:17:45,941
... in last year's charity event.

335
00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:49,319
Only lucky.
I close my eyes really.

336
00:17:49,403 --> 00:17:50,779
Yes.

337
00:17:50,863 --> 00:17:52,698
So what can I do for you?

338
00:17:53,991 --> 00:17:56,201
Do you know the Geoghan case?

339
00:17:56,493 --> 00:17:57,578
Sure.

340
00:17:57,661 --> 00:18:00,622
80 plaintiffs.
Everything is an individual claim.

341
00:18:00,706 --> 00:18:02,291
Garabedian must be confused.

342
00:18:02,666 --> 00:18:06,044
What about the accusation
against Cardinal Law?

343
00:18:06,837 --> 00:18:08,380
Somewhat complicated.

344
00:18:09,548 --> 00:18:12,134
You have to understand.
This is a difficult case.

345
00:18:13,218 --> 00:18:15,596
The claim limit is only three years,...

346
00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:18,807
... and most victims
have never been that long.

347
00:18:19,308 --> 00:18:20,768
Why?

348
00:18:20,851 --> 00:18:22,519
They are still children.

349
00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:24,104
Shame, feel guilty.

350
00:18:24,188 --> 00:18:25,939
And most come from
from harsh environments.

351
00:18:26,023 --> 00:18:29,026
No one wants to acknowledge this.

352
00:18:29,318 --> 00:18:31,403
We are hindered by the time limit.

353
00:18:31,487 --> 00:18:33,113
And...

354
00:18:33,197 --> 00:18:34,865
... even if you
keep fighting...

355
00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:38,202
... Charity Immunity Law
limits compensation to $ 20,000.

356
00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:41,914
$ 20,000 for child abuse?

357
00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:45,834
That's the system...

358
00:18:45,918 --> 00:18:48,504
The church is very strong.

359
00:18:48,587 --> 00:18:50,964
The best way is to bring it...

360
00:18:51,048 --> 00:18:54,051
... to the media as I did in the case of Porter.

361
00:18:54,176 --> 00:18:56,178
But most victims...

362
00:18:56,261 --> 00:18:57,930
... don't want to appear on TV.

363
00:18:58,013 --> 00:18:59,515
And...

364
00:18:59,598 --> 00:19:03,101
... Mitch is not a friendly type of person.

365
00:19:03,727 --> 00:19:06,313
If Garabedian can't,
make the victim...

366
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:08,982
... dealing with the media,
then he...

367
00:19:09,066 --> 00:19:12,152
Right.
Then he will be very difficult.

368
00:19:12,236 --> 00:19:15,739
I think he doesn't have proof of Law.

369
00:19:16,865 --> 00:19:18,534
Do you think he's just bluffing or...

370
00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:22,412
He just pretends that
is higher.

371
00:19:23,539 --> 00:19:24,873
Looks careless.

372
00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:28,168
Have you met Mitch Garabedian?

373
00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:33,090
I said write the message, Bill.
Not propose it.

374
00:19:42,933 --> 00:19:46,228
Bill, this is the case file yesterday.

375
00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:56,947
Hi.

376
00:19:58,448 --> 00:20:00,868
Who are you? /
I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe.

377
00:20:00,951 --> 00:20:02,244
I have an appointment with you
an hour ago.

378
00:20:02,327 --> 00:20:04,246
I don't have time.
I am busy. Sharon!

379
00:20:04,329 --> 00:20:06,456
He is buying coffee.
He said no sooner.

380
00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:08,083
I'm continuing
discussion of an article.

381
00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,086
Articles in Phoenix? /
No. At the Globe.

382
00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:12,821
Have you seen the article in Phoenix?

383
00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:14,897
Not yet. /
Pretty good.

384
00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:16,133
I have a copy.

385
00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:17,740
No need.
I'll find it later.

386
00:20:18,594 --> 00:20:19,887
I read the column...

387
00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:21,805
... Eileen McNamara
related to your lawsuit.

388
00:20:21,972 --> 00:20:24,182
Suit.
There are 84 lawsuits.

389
00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:25,392
That is not a representative suit.

390
00:20:25,517 --> 00:20:27,997
Call it a lawsuit. /
Right.

391
00:20:28,562 --> 00:20:30,480
I want to find related information...

392
00:20:30,564 --> 00:20:32,399
You don't write it, & apos; right?

393
00:20:33,025 --> 00:20:34,401
I won't do it without permission.

394
00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:36,820
I can't show
Church documents, if that's what you want.

395
00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:38,071
The document is confidential.

396
00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:39,656
I know.

397
00:20:40,657 --> 00:20:41,742
You know they report me...

398
00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:44,620
... to the Massachusetts Lawyer Supervisory Board
three times?

399
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:46,204
They watch me closely.

400
00:20:46,288 --> 00:20:48,916
Church? /
Yes. Church.

401
00:20:48,999 --> 00:20:51,251
They want my permission to be revoked.
Save your notes.

402
00:20:52,461 --> 00:20:53,795
Save your notes. /
Good.

403
00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:55,672
I don't want you to write it down.

404
00:20:55,797 --> 00:20:57,674
Not in paper, recording, anything.

405
00:20:57,758 --> 00:21:00,594
I should not even talk to you. So...

406
00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:02,012
Wait, Mr. Garabedian,...

407
00:21:02,179 --> 00:21:04,848
... I know you can't
tell me everything,...

408
00:21:05,474 --> 00:21:06,808
... but I also know
there is news in this case.

409
00:21:06,892 --> 00:21:08,292
And I think this is important news.

410
00:21:08,685 --> 00:21:10,145
I've talked to Phoenix.

411
00:21:10,228 --> 00:21:11,908
That's why I didn't read it.

412
00:21:12,189 --> 00:21:14,232
No more
read Phoenix.

413
00:21:14,316 --> 00:21:15,943
They are bankrupt.
They are already weak.

414
00:21:16,193 --> 00:21:17,527
Differences with Globe.

415
00:21:18,362 --> 00:21:20,656
If we cover the case,
everyone will hear it.

416
00:21:22,658 --> 00:21:25,202
The church has been established
from the past, Mr. Rezendes.

417
00:21:25,535 --> 00:21:28,121
Do you think your newspaper
can drop them?

418
00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:29,706
Yes.

419
00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,834
But if you don't mind
answer my question,...

420
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:34,002
... isn't that right?

421
00:21:35,212 --> 00:21:38,048
I have no time now.
I'm very busy.

422
00:21:41,677 --> 00:21:43,679
Sharon? /
Thank you.

423
00:21:43,845 --> 00:21:46,223
At least let me speak
with your client. Victim.

424
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:47,975
I want to do it.

425
00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:50,352
Call me tomorrow, I think first. /
Thank you.

426
00:21:50,435 --> 00:21:51,436
Thank you. /
Yes, yes.

427
00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:18,836
IDENTIFICATION PATTERNS

428
00:22:25,888 --> 00:22:27,805
Porter faces charges in the Massachusetts Court of Justice when the 1987 allegations of abuse were again raised.

429
00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:46,199
There are other archives in the library.

430
00:22:46,283 --> 00:22:47,743
Put it there.

431
00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:50,412
Are you
covering the case in the Church?

432
00:22:50,579 --> 00:22:52,789
We don't cover cases in the Church.

433
00:22:53,915 --> 00:22:55,917
Matt, is there information about Phil Saviano?

434
00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:57,961
No. Who is he?

435
00:22:58,128 --> 00:22:59,629
He is a member of the victim organization.

436
00:23:00,297 --> 00:23:02,497
Kurkjian covered him
shortly after Porter's case.

437
00:23:02,966 --> 00:23:04,801
Is there a victim organization?

438
00:23:04,968 --> 00:23:06,595
Yes, it's called SNAP.

439
00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:08,805
Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
(Pastor Harassment Victim Network)

440
00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:10,640
A strange abbreviation.

441
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:16,146
Do you want me to look for it? /
Yes. Take him here.

442
00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:18,315
How long will it take
you finished reading the file?

443
00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:20,817
A few more days.
Pretty much.

444
00:23:20,901 --> 00:23:22,360
Lisa will still send again. /
Good.

445
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,655
Looks like I found
other Pastors.

446
00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:29,743
Liam Barrett.
Desecrate some children in Philadelphia...

447
00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:31,578
... then moved to Boston.

448
00:23:31,661 --> 00:23:33,914
He molested again and moved again.

449
00:23:33,997 --> 00:23:35,624
Really?
Similar to Geoghan.

450
00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:36,917
What is our article?

451
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,586
Yes.
"By Diego Ribadeneira, 1997."

452
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:41,509
When he was still in the Religion section.

453
00:23:42,339 --> 00:23:44,758
There is a continuation? /
Not really. Only this.

454
00:23:45,675 --> 00:23:47,886
The church has completed it.

455
00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:52,724
You know Jim Sullivan, aren't you?

456
00:23:52,808 --> 00:23:54,851
Yes. Why?

457
00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:57,104
It looks like the Church
is asking for his help.

458
00:24:05,362 --> 00:24:06,947
Gosh.

459
00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:09,270
Are there no players who can
do a home run other than Manny?

460
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,619
No.
Why do you even fill TTS?

461
00:24:12,702 --> 00:24:14,663
So I don't get
to see the match.

462
00:24:14,746 --> 00:24:16,581
Do you know other ways?

463
00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:19,918
Right. Great idea.
My turn. I won't be long.

464
00:24:20,252 --> 00:24:21,503
Anyone want to drop food? /
No.

465
00:24:21,586 --> 00:24:23,171
Already full. /
Hot dogs.

466
00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:27,092
Are there developments?

467
00:24:27,259 --> 00:24:30,262
Sure. A good case. /
Why?

468
00:24:30,595 --> 00:24:32,806
Because you Catholics who
hate the church and are no longer active?

469
00:24:32,973 --> 00:24:34,975
We get good information. /
Like?

470
00:24:36,601 --> 00:24:38,687
I was watching a match.
Shut up.

471
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:41,273
There is another Pastor, Liam Barrett.

472
00:24:41,356 --> 00:24:42,566
We have covered it.

473
00:24:43,567 --> 00:24:44,860
I just said. /
Good.

474
00:24:44,943 --> 00:24:47,743
But he is often moved
every few years...

475
00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:48,989
... like Geoghan and Porter.

476
00:24:49,072 --> 00:24:50,407
The pattern is similar.

477
00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:53,743
Sounds weak.
What else?

478
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,706
Sacha finds a member
victim organization, Phil Saviano.

479
00:24:57,789 --> 00:25:00,750
From SNAP? Gosh.
We've covered it too.

480
00:25:00,834 --> 00:25:02,961
You said that being
watching the match, Steve.

481
00:25:03,044 --> 00:25:04,364
The person is very ambitious, Mike.

482
00:25:04,421 --> 00:25:05,672
It's been twice
we covered it.

483
00:25:05,755 --> 00:25:07,315
He always writes letters.

484
00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:08,717
He wants a crusade.

485
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,093
So he is worthless?

486
00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:11,428
What about Garabedian?

487
00:25:11,511 --> 00:25:12,721
It's being worked on.

488
00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:14,723
Robby says Macleish thinks
he just bluffed.

489
00:25:15,765 --> 00:25:17,017
I think there's something there, Ben.

490
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,020
Give me strong information,
or you stop.

491
00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:21,646
I don't want our
to work in vain.

492
00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:32,657
Avoid sand holes.

493
00:25:32,824 --> 00:25:35,064
Your blow will never reach the sand hole, friend.

494
00:25:35,202 --> 00:25:37,078
I've hit sand holes.

495
00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:39,122
Really?
Now it's Paul's turn.

496
00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:42,000
How are you guys? /
Good.

497
00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:43,919
We are two steps ahead.

498
00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:45,587
Good.

499
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:47,074
How does a new editor work?

500
00:25:47,464 --> 00:25:49,758
He doesn't like Baseball.

501
00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:52,969
But he looks smart.

502
00:25:53,678 --> 00:25:55,055
I've read articles about him.

503
00:25:55,138 --> 00:25:58,225
The first Jews
who became editors at the Globe.

504
00:25:59,142 --> 00:26:01,394
Certainly the news is slow.

505
00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:03,521
Is she married?

506
00:26:03,688 --> 00:26:05,941
No. He is not married.

507
00:26:06,191 --> 00:26:08,777
Divorced? /
I don't think so.

508
00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:12,239
Become the new editor of the Globe
a single Jew...

509
00:26:12,322 --> 00:26:14,157
... who doesn't like Baseball?

510
00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:16,451
Yes. /
Ben should be the editor.

511
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,411
He's Bradlee, after all.

512
00:26:18,495 --> 00:26:21,122
He is not fast enough
raises his hand.

513
00:26:22,415 --> 00:26:23,583
By the way...

514
00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:25,835
... I read an article about Pastor Barrett.

515
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:27,337
Said you were involved.

516
00:26:27,879 --> 00:26:30,048
Barrett. Yes.
Rotten Pastor.

517
00:26:30,674 --> 00:26:32,274
The bishopric asks for my help.

518
00:26:33,677 --> 00:26:37,347
The victim said Cardinal Law knew about Barrett when he was in Philadelphia.

519
00:26:37,597 --> 00:26:38,932
Is that true?

520
00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:41,268
You know I can't talk about the case, Robby.

521
00:26:43,353 --> 00:26:44,354
Not to be reported?

522
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:47,232
I also can't talk about it.

523
00:26:47,691 --> 00:26:49,943
Alright./
Has anything to do with the lawsuit?

524
00:26:50,986 --> 00:26:52,153
Do you know about that?

525
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:54,990
Listen.

526
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:57,742
I don't know Baron
or even the plan.

527
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:59,494
To be honest, I don't care.

528
00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:02,455
I just want you not to be troubled because of him.

529
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,791
Your turn now.

530
00:27:10,171 --> 00:27:11,798
Put it there. /
Come quickly.

531
00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:15,802
A few days ago
I opened the internet.

532
00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:18,471
All information is there.

533
00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:21,850
I must admit
to be a pastor...

534
00:27:21,975 --> 00:27:24,144
... makes me a little nervous.

535
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:27,355
Do I have to worry about the safety of my work?

536
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:30,400
No.

537
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,653
Knowledge is quite important...

538
00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:35,822
... but faith...

539
00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:37,991
... is a different thing.

540
00:27:52,964 --> 00:27:54,299
Hey.

541
00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:55,842
Hey.

542
00:27:57,552 --> 00:27:59,512
Don't you want to play golf?

543
00:28:00,221 --> 00:28:02,015
Bergolf is not a verb.

544
00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:03,933
And I'm running out of tee time. (golf play schedule).

545
00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,353
Is that the name?
Tee time?

546
00:28:06,895 --> 00:28:09,856
Other names "leisure activities."
You have to try it, Mike.

547
00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:13,026
Already. I ran. /
You ran to the office.

548
00:28:16,404 --> 00:28:17,530
Why are you here?

549
00:28:18,031 --> 00:28:20,075
Want to see the article about Saviano.

550
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:22,619
Ben and Steve think this is a dead end.

551
00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:24,662
They lecture me
when watching a match.

552
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:26,289
Ben sent me an email.

553
00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:28,249
Really? /
Yes.

554
00:28:29,084 --> 00:28:30,752
He said just release this case.

555
00:28:31,461 --> 00:28:32,629
What are your plans?

556
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:34,881
Bring Saviano here.

557
00:28:35,673 --> 00:28:38,093
So we ignore them?

558
00:28:41,262 --> 00:28:43,807
We must ignore all
in this case.

559
00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:45,809
No problem.

560
00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:53,775
Do you think Marty knows what the impact will be?

561
00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:56,986
No. He doesn't care either.

562
00:28:57,362 --> 00:28:58,780
Good then.

563
00:28:58,863 --> 00:29:00,198
Yes.

564
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:04,119
Unless he is wrong.

565
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,765
I'm always interested
with the world of newspapers.

566
00:29:26,433 --> 00:29:28,852
I've been with a
recipient of a Nieman journalism scholarship...

567
00:29:29,018 --> 00:29:30,437
... while studying at Harvard.

568
00:29:31,688 --> 00:29:34,691
I heard you
been an editor.

569
00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:36,860
Right.

570
00:29:37,402 --> 00:29:39,654
It's been a long time.

571
00:29:39,737 --> 00:29:42,157
The Mississippi Register.

572
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,493
Small diocesan newspaper.

573
00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:50,957
But for a 30-year-old priest,
is a big responsibility.

574
00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:53,334
Very time consuming.

575
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:55,962
Why?

576
00:29:57,964 --> 00:30:00,383
I am close to the Brother Evers.

577
00:30:00,508 --> 00:30:02,886
We fight for civil rights.

578
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,472
Our readers don't like it.

579
00:30:06,097 --> 00:30:08,308
They think of me as a foreigner who likes to interfere.

580
00:30:09,934 --> 00:30:11,686
It must be terrible.

581
00:30:11,895 --> 00:30:13,521
Heavy positions...

582
00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:15,607
... especially in a small town.

583
00:30:16,483 --> 00:30:20,403
Maybe you also consider
Boston small town, Marty,...

584
00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:22,030
... in many ways.

585
00:30:23,406 --> 00:30:27,744
But if you need help,
don't hesitate to ask me.

586
00:30:28,369 --> 00:30:31,206
I think this city will develop...

587
00:30:31,372 --> 00:30:33,541
... if each large institution
works together.

588
00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:36,503
Thank you.

589
00:30:36,586 --> 00:30:39,839
But in my opinion
newspapers can work well...

590
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:42,884
... without interference from other parties.

591
00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:47,222
Sure.

592
00:30:48,097 --> 00:30:50,016
But my offer still applies.

593
00:30:50,725 --> 00:30:52,227
Thank you.

594
00:30:53,645 --> 00:30:54,812
Enter.

595
00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:56,689
Ah!

596
00:30:58,316 --> 00:30:59,651
Thank you, Maureen.

597
00:31:02,237 --> 00:31:03,988
A small gift for you, Marty.

598
00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:09,035
Think of it as a guidebook
the city of Boston from the Cardinal.

599
00:31:15,095 --> 00:31:19,389
CATEKISM

600
00:31:26,344 --> 00:31:28,346
I want to meet Sacha Pfeiffer.

601
00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:30,598
Your name? /
Phil Saviano.

602
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:32,517
Wait a minute.

603
00:31:34,018 --> 00:31:36,020
I am the first survivor of the
you interviewed?

604
00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:37,522
Yes, Phil.

605
00:31:37,772 --> 00:31:39,524
OK.

606
00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:43,236
First of all thank you
for inviting me here.

607
00:31:44,153 --> 00:31:45,321
I want you to know...

608
00:31:45,405 --> 00:31:48,449
... if my organization, SNAP,
will fully support you.

609
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,451
How many members, Phil?

610
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:52,829
The last meeting was 11 people...

611
00:31:52,996 --> 00:31:55,498
No. 10.
Karen just moved.

612
00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:57,542
Are there women in your organization?

613
00:31:57,709 --> 00:31:59,252
Of course.
They don't vote,...

614
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:00,628
... especially in sexual abuse.

615
00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:02,463
This has nothing to do with
by being gay.

616
00:32:02,547 --> 00:32:05,174
This is a matter of pastors making use of their robes to rape young children.

617
00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:07,594
Men and women.

618
00:32:14,684 --> 00:32:16,561
I am only 11 years old...

619
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,897
... when I was preyed on by
Pastor David Holley in Worcester.

620
00:32:20,732 --> 00:32:23,151
Not prayed for.
But preyed on.

621
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,446
Are you a Catholic?

622
00:32:26,863 --> 00:32:30,742
I was raised Catholic.
Now my wife's Presbyterian Church people.

623
00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:33,369
I'm no longer active.

624
00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:35,213
Sometimes I go to church
with my grandmother.

625
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:39,083
You could say we were all raised
Catholic, but now...

626
00:32:39,167 --> 00:32:40,835
It's less active.

627
00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:42,920
Good. You see.

628
00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:46,591
If you are a poor child from a poor family,
religious influence is very strong.

629
00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:49,761
If Astor looks at you,
you feel blessed.

630
00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:51,888
If he asks you
collect the congregation...... ... or throw garbage,
you feel special.

631
00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:53,931
Just like God asking for help.

632
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,184


633
00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:59,312
It might feel strange at the moment
he tells dirty jokes,...

634
00:32:59,896 --> 00:33:03,232
... but you have a secret,
it doesn't matter.

635
00:33:04,108 --> 00:33:07,111
Then he shows pornographic magazines,
you also leave it.

636
00:33:07,654 --> 00:33:09,822
You leave, leave,...

637
00:33:09,989 --> 00:33:13,242
... until one day he asks you
jerk or suck his penis.

638
00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:14,869
But you still let it...

639
00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:16,704
... because you feel trapped,...

640
00:33:16,788 --> 00:33:19,207
... because he already took care of you.

641
00:33:19,957 --> 00:33:21,793
It's impossible to say no to God.

642
00:33:22,502 --> 00:33:23,586
Do you understand?

643
00:33:24,712 --> 00:33:27,048
This is not just
physical abuse...

644
00:33:27,215 --> 00:33:29,050
... but also spiritual abuse.

645
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,763
They have robbed you of your faith.

646
00:33:34,806 --> 00:33:36,933
Then you flush
on liquor or drugs.

647
00:33:37,433 --> 00:33:39,560
If it doesn't work,
you jump from the bridge.

648
00:33:39,727 --> 00:33:41,521
That's why we call ourselves
survivors.

649
00:33:41,688 --> 00:33:42,814
Have you read Jason Berry's book?

650
00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:44,816
He wrote about
Gauthe's case in Louisiana.

651
00:33:44,982 --> 00:33:47,068
G... /
G-A-U-T-H-E.

652
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:49,112
This. Also contact Richard Sipe.

653
00:33:49,195 --> 00:33:51,572
He works in one of the Church's rehabilitation centers.

654
00:33:51,656 --> 00:33:53,574
He's a pastor.

655
00:33:53,658 --> 00:33:55,159
Married to a nun.

656
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:56,744
This.

657
00:33:57,036 --> 00:33:58,663
This is the testimony
in the Kos case.

658
00:33:58,746 --> 00:34:00,248
Phil, what is a rehabilitation center?

659
00:34:00,748 --> 00:34:02,250
Place of care for the priest
when they are arrested.

660
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:03,793
Everything is here.

661
00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:05,628
I sent it to you
five years ago.

662
00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:09,090
To the Globe?
To whom?

663
00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:14,151
I don't want to say who,
but they are not interested.

664
00:34:14,262 --> 00:34:16,347
But we covered you twice.

665
00:34:16,431 --> 00:34:17,724
I've seen the article.

666
00:34:17,807 --> 00:34:20,184
But honestly
is not enough.

667
00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:24,939
You have to understand,...

668
00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:26,107
... this is a big case.

669
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:30,194
Not just Boston. Whole country.
The whole world.

670
00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:32,029
Get to the Vatican.

671
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:34,282
There is evidence, Phil?

672
00:34:34,532 --> 00:34:37,285
Not yet. But there are many cases.

673
00:34:37,452 --> 00:34:39,292
Why can they hide it?

674
00:34:39,579 --> 00:34:41,414
How much? /
Pastor!

675
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:43,791
Pastor!

676
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,461
I know 13 Pastors in Boston.

677
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:50,214
Do you know 13 Pastors in Boston
who molested small children?

678
00:34:50,381 --> 00:34:52,675
Yes. Why are you always
repeating my words?

679
00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:55,261
Just want to make sure.

680
00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:56,971
You should make sure
from five years ago...

681
00:34:57,054 --> 00:34:58,765
... when I give
all this!

682
00:34:58,848 --> 00:35:01,017
Everything is here!

683
00:35:09,984 --> 00:35:11,778
Can you borrow a toilet?

684
00:35:11,861 --> 00:35:13,362
Sure, Phil.

685
00:35:13,446 --> 00:35:14,822
Join me.

686
00:35:21,245 --> 00:35:23,247
How?

687
00:35:24,373 --> 00:35:26,542
He has an agenda, that's for sure.

688
00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:28,169
I see? /
He experienced many trials.

689
00:35:28,336 --> 00:35:30,421
But he is smart. If the words
about 13 Pastors are true...

690
00:35:30,588 --> 00:35:32,381
His attitude is full of question marks.

691
00:35:32,465 --> 00:35:33,841
Check the background...

692
00:35:34,008 --> 00:35:36,093
... and other group members.

693
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:38,846
I will look for
this pastor. Sipe.

694
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:40,970
Good, but focus on Garabedian.
That is more important.

695
00:35:41,224 --> 00:35:43,267
Garabedian is very annoying.

696
00:35:43,601 --> 00:35:45,102
You can be annoying, Mike.

697
00:35:58,783 --> 00:36:00,827
Mitchell, a surprise.
How are you?

698
00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:02,870
Good, Mr. Rezendes./
Good.

699
00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:05,373
I haven't heard from you yet.
I've left a message.

700
00:36:05,456 --> 00:36:07,458
I know. I am busy.
I don't have time.

701
00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:08,662
Of course.

702
00:36:08,709 --> 00:36:11,712
Mitch, let me talk
with the victim.

703
00:36:11,796 --> 00:36:13,116
You can accompany him.

704
00:36:13,172 --> 00:36:14,423
If you don't like it,
you immediately stop.

705
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:17,387
I've talked to my client,
they don't want to be covered. Sorry.

706
00:36:17,426 --> 00:36:20,096
I know,
but I won't name names.

707
00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:21,889
I don't believe, Mr. Rezendes./
Of course not.

708
00:36:22,056 --> 00:36:23,558
No./
Look, Mitchell.

709
00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:25,059
Mr. Rezendes, please...

710
00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:26,602
My goal is not an individual.

711
00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:28,771
But more than that. /
Bigger?

712
00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:30,231
I don't know what that means.

713
00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:31,482
I can't tell you,...

714
00:36:31,566 --> 00:36:33,276
... but I'm digging
information for Spotlight.

715
00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:36,946
Spotlight covers this? /
We're investigating,...

716
00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:38,614
... but you have to help me.

717
00:36:38,823 --> 00:36:41,117
Let me talk to victims.

718
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:45,913
Please.

719
00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:51,002
Come tomorrow morning at 9.

720
00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:53,296
Thank you.

721
00:37:05,975 --> 00:37:07,435
Ms. Pfeiffer? /
Joe?

722
00:37:07,518 --> 00:37:08,686
Hi./
Damn.

723
00:37:08,769 --> 00:37:09,854
It's okay. /
Sorry.

724
00:37:09,937 --> 00:37:11,022
No problem. /
Please sit down.

725
00:37:11,105 --> 00:37:12,231
Thank you.

726
00:37:12,315 --> 00:37:13,858
Doesn't matter here?

727
00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:15,484
Perfect.

728
00:37:15,818 --> 00:37:17,820
I ate a piece of cake.

729
00:37:18,154 --> 00:37:19,822
Two, exactly.

730
00:37:20,323 --> 00:37:22,950
I eat when I'm nervous. /
Me too.

731
00:37:23,826 --> 00:37:26,829
I hope it's not too late.
Phil said at 1pm.

732
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,124
No.
I'm coming fast.

733
00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:31,542
An hour faster.

734
00:37:34,128 --> 00:37:37,298
May I take notes?

735
00:37:42,553 --> 00:37:44,680
You don't mind
if I record it?

736
00:37:45,181 --> 00:37:47,183
Will my name be included? /
No.

737
00:37:48,684 --> 00:37:50,770
Not if you forbid it.

738
00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:52,897
I just had a child.

739
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:55,900
He is only a year old,
but I don't want him to know.

740
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:57,610
Good. I understand.

741
00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:59,987
You can stop this interview at any time, Patrick.

742
00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:02,031
Understand? /
Good.

743
00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,369
Please note.

744
00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:08,245
Good. So...

745
00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,541
... where did you live
when the first incident happened?

746
00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:15,586
In housing near Hyde Park.

747
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:17,421
Near Stop & Shop?

748
00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:20,174
Do you know?

749
00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,843
I've been a taxi driver.

750
00:38:22,927 --> 00:38:24,553
Open morning.
The coffee isn't good, right?

751
00:38:25,388 --> 00:38:26,889
I think so.

752
00:38:28,724 --> 00:38:30,726
How old are you when that happened?

753
00:38:31,268 --> 00:38:32,603
12.

754
00:38:34,063 --> 00:38:35,898
Not long after
after my father committed suicide.

755
00:38:36,691 --> 00:38:37,984
Gosh.

756
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:39,986
He's a jerk.

757
00:38:40,403 --> 00:38:42,738
My mother's condition
is also unstable.

758
00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:45,157
You mean? /
He's crazy.

759
00:38:45,241 --> 00:38:48,327
He has Schizophrenia./
It's the same.

760
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,540
When was the first time
did you meet Geoghan?

761
00:38:53,958 --> 00:38:56,085
My sister...

762
00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:58,170
... meet him
at Dunkin & apos; Donuts.

763
00:38:58,754 --> 00:39:01,549
He said my father died.
He went straight to the house.

764
00:39:01,757 --> 00:39:03,092
Then there is Sister Barbara,...

765
00:39:03,175 --> 00:39:05,678
... he manages groups for
children from troubled families.

766
00:39:05,928 --> 00:39:06,929
Good.

767
00:39:07,096 --> 00:39:08,514
Where is that?

768
00:39:08,723 --> 00:39:11,100
St. Church Ambrose at Dorchester./
Good.

769
00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:14,562
He who introduced me to Father Shanley.

770
00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:17,773
He is a street pastor.

771
00:39:18,274 --> 00:39:20,276
Long hair.
Very smart.

772
00:39:21,777 --> 00:39:23,738
He invited me to his apartment
on Back Bay.

773
00:39:23,904 --> 00:39:26,115
Which Back Bay? /
Beacon Street.

774
00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:27,992
Beacon. Good.

775
00:39:28,075 --> 00:39:29,118
Are you real here?

776
00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:32,872
No. I grew up in Ohio,
but my mother is from the South.

777
00:39:32,955 --> 00:39:36,250
No wonder you know Back Bay.
I've never been there.

778
00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:40,629
What happened
during the first visit, Joe?

779
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:43,716
Initially he was very friendly.

780
00:39:43,799 --> 00:39:45,468
Humorous, polite.

781
00:39:46,802 --> 00:39:48,804
You could say
he knows I'm gay.

782
00:39:49,764 --> 00:39:53,434
He shows a toy
like a baby hanger.

783
00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:54,560
Good.

784
00:39:54,643 --> 00:39:56,062
But with different words.

785
00:39:56,645 --> 00:39:59,648
"Homosexuals,
transsexuals, bisexuals."

786
00:39:59,732 --> 00:40:02,568
Do you realize that
you were gay at the time, Joe?

787
00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,570
Yes.

788
00:40:04,653 --> 00:40:06,614
But I don't tell
to others.

789
00:40:06,781 --> 00:40:08,074
Not in Dorchester.

790
00:40:09,325 --> 00:40:10,701
Good.

791
00:40:10,785 --> 00:40:13,746
What happens after
he shows the toy?

792
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,581
I'm a little scared.

793
00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:18,334
I think he knows.

794
00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:22,838
So he said, "If we play
poker naked you won't be afraid anymore."

795
00:40:24,799 --> 00:40:26,509
Of course I lose.

796
00:40:27,968 --> 00:40:29,845
You must know what happened next.

797
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,182
Can you explain in more detail
what happened?

798
00:40:34,975 --> 00:40:36,602
More clearly he...

799
00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:38,854
He invites me.

800
00:40:42,316 --> 00:40:45,986
Joe, the use of words is very important.

801
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:49,657
The word "molest" is not enough.

802
00:40:49,824 --> 00:40:52,618
They must know what actually happened.

803
00:40:55,871 --> 00:40:58,249
We drink this then leave. /
Good.

804
00:40:58,541 --> 00:41:01,877
Geoghan comes and my mother...

805
00:41:02,044 --> 00:41:04,463
He is so happy.

806
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,882
Like God appears.

807
00:41:07,133 --> 00:41:08,467
Good.

808
00:41:08,551 --> 00:41:09,760
Then what happened?

809
00:41:12,888 --> 00:41:14,306
Really you want to hear it?

810
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,559
Yes, Patrick.

811
00:41:25,025 --> 00:41:27,027
He invited me to buy ice cream.

812
00:41:27,403 --> 00:41:30,406
He is pastor. I'm a child.
So I come along.

813
00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:34,577
Good./
We go home then...

814
00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:39,373
... he started to stroke my legs.

815
00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:43,919
Then...

816
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:49,425
... his hand moves up
and holds my cock.

817
00:41:50,259 --> 00:41:54,722
I'm surprised. I was silent.
I can't move.

818
00:41:55,931 --> 00:41:57,933
I don't know what to do.
I'm still a child.

819
00:42:00,436 --> 00:42:01,437
Good.

820
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:08,444
I haven't even
touched my ice cream.

821
00:42:08,861 --> 00:42:10,696
The ice cream melts just like that.

822
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:18,954
Are you...

823
00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:21,874
Do you meet again
after that?

824
00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:29,089
Yes.

825
00:42:32,635 --> 00:42:35,137
OK. It is enough.

826
00:42:36,305 --> 00:42:37,473
Yes.

827
00:42:37,806 --> 00:42:40,768
He said that the way to
makes me comfortable with my body.

828
00:42:42,311 --> 00:42:43,562
What happened after that?

829
00:42:44,438 --> 00:42:46,398
He takes off his clothes and says,...

830
00:42:46,482 --> 00:42:47,942
"I'm very depressed,...

831
00:42:48,025 --> 00:42:50,277
"... but maybe you can
please me with oral sex. "

832
00:42:50,653 --> 00:42:52,154
Classy men.

833
00:42:54,323 --> 00:42:56,033
You do it? /
Yes.

834
00:42:57,368 --> 00:43:00,621
I know what are your thoughts
Why do I do it...

835
00:43:00,704 --> 00:43:03,540
... in strange men who are
30 years old above me, but...

836
00:43:03,791 --> 00:43:06,794
... you have to understand that
the first time in my life...

837
00:43:06,877 --> 00:43:09,421
... there are people who say
it doesn't matter if I'm gay.

838
00:43:09,505 --> 00:43:11,507
And he's a pastor. /
Good.

839
00:43:12,841 --> 00:43:16,011
You have oral sex.
Do you have sex?

840
00:43:17,137 --> 00:43:18,514
Yes.

841
00:43:18,597 --> 00:43:20,182
Not that day,
but a few days later.

842
00:43:21,934 --> 00:43:24,019
I got messy.

843
00:43:25,437 --> 00:43:28,148
I'm aware now,
but it's the beginning of everything.

844
00:43:31,068 --> 00:43:32,820
This is very confusing.

845
00:43:33,946 --> 00:43:36,240
I know sex
that way and...

846
00:43:37,074 --> 00:43:39,076
... can be attracted to men,
that's really...

847
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:44,873
Sorry.
I know it will be like this.

848
00:43:44,957 --> 00:43:46,834
I'm sorry. /
There's no need.

849
00:43:46,917 --> 00:43:48,836
It's okay, Joe.
Calm down.

850
00:43:49,003 --> 00:43:50,963
Of course there is a church there.

851
00:43:51,588 --> 00:43:53,173
and playground.

852
00:43:53,924 --> 00:43:55,926
Have you ever told someone else?

853
00:43:56,468 --> 00:43:58,304
Who? Pastor?

854
00:43:59,722 --> 00:44:01,682
Can I borrow a phone?

855
00:44:01,765 --> 00:44:03,267
Sure.
You know where it is.

856
00:44:04,476 --> 00:44:06,353
You can use my name.

857
00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:08,814
Thank you, Patrick.

858
00:44:09,356 --> 00:44:11,775
Don't thank you.
Just arrest this bastard.

859
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,242
He is among the lucky ones.

860
00:44:21,368 --> 00:44:23,454
He is still alive.

861
00:44:31,253 --> 00:44:32,921
Do you want tea, Sacha?

862
00:44:33,088 --> 00:44:34,840
No, Grandma. Thank you./
Good.

863
00:44:38,135 --> 00:44:39,845
Halo./
Hi, Joe, this is Sacha Pfeiffer.

864
00:44:40,012 --> 00:44:43,265
Hi, Sacha. How are you? /
Good, thank you.

865
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:46,185
Joe, one more thing.

866
00:44:46,643 --> 00:44:48,771
You talked about this
to Phil Saviano, right?

867
00:44:48,937 --> 00:44:51,565
Yes. I often attend
SNAP meetings.

868
00:44:51,648 --> 00:44:54,485
Does Phil suggest you
to do something?

869
00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:55,819
No.

870
00:44:55,903 --> 00:44:57,446
We did not discuss it
in the meeting.

871
00:44:57,613 --> 00:44:59,031
Some have already met lawyers,...

872
00:44:59,114 --> 00:45:01,158
... but in my opinion
is useless.

873
00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:02,451
Why?

874
00:45:02,618 --> 00:45:04,258
Many forms
must be filled.

875
00:45:04,286 --> 00:45:05,704
Too troublesome.

876
00:45:05,788 --> 00:45:08,123
He also said we only
would get a little compensation...

877
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:10,709
Who said? /
Lawyer.

878
00:45:11,794 --> 00:45:14,171
Do you see a lawyer?

879
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:17,049
Yes, but I didn't rent it.

880
00:45:17,132 --> 00:45:19,009
Because I think
is useless.

881
00:45:19,176 --> 00:45:21,261
Sorry. I don't mean
to hide something.

882
00:45:21,428 --> 00:45:23,013
I understand, Joe.

883
00:45:23,222 --> 00:45:25,224
Do you remember the name of his lawyer?

884
00:45:25,724 --> 00:45:28,310
No, but maybe Phil knows.

885
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:31,021
He often appears on TV
the time of Porter's case.

886
00:45:31,313 --> 00:45:32,564
He's handsome.

887
00:45:32,981 --> 00:45:34,358
Is he Eric Macleish?

888
00:45:34,441 --> 00:45:36,318
Yes, right. Macleish.

889
00:45:36,944 --> 00:45:38,821
I think he's very handsome.

890
00:45:41,907 --> 00:45:43,450
Hey ./
Hey.

891
00:45:43,534 --> 00:45:46,537
I'm new from the newsroom.
The trial schedule has been set.

892
00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,539
Really? When?

893
00:45:48,664 --> 00:45:49,915
Two more weeks, in Springfield.

894
00:45:50,624 --> 00:45:52,626
Canellos has opened a bet.
10 dollars.

895
00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:54,968
Anyone choose Globe?

896
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:57,589
The bet is only how fast
Sweeney rejects our claim.

897
00:45:59,466 --> 00:46:01,051
Robby./
Hi, here I am.

898
00:46:01,218 --> 00:46:02,553
Already read my message? /
Already.

899
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,888
It seems Pastor Shanley
is our fourth priest.

900
00:46:05,055 --> 00:46:06,390
Looks like that.

901
00:46:06,557 --> 00:46:08,183
What about Macleish?

902
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:09,435
I just talked to Phil.

903
00:46:09,518 --> 00:46:11,645
He said Macleish handled many cases like this.

904
00:46:11,728 --> 00:46:14,273
He must have forgotten to call it. /
Yes.

905
00:46:14,356 --> 00:46:15,774
I want to go to court tomorrow,...

906
00:46:15,858 --> 00:46:18,777
... search for the case file
in fighting the Church.

907
00:46:18,861 --> 00:46:21,113
Good. Call me after that.
Good night.

908
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,948
Good. Good night.

909
00:46:25,617 --> 00:46:26,869
Hey.

910
00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:28,287
Can you talk for a while?

911
00:46:28,454 --> 00:46:30,456
Yes. I'm late for dinner.
Want to accompany me out?

912
00:46:30,539 --> 00:46:31,915
Sure.

913
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,209
Gosh.

914
00:46:34,251 --> 00:46:36,628
Have they ever gone home? /
Looks like it didn't.

915
00:46:36,712 --> 00:46:38,422
Someone does not go home
until the work is done.

916
00:46:38,547 --> 00:46:40,507
Newsroom becomes stuffy.

917
00:46:40,716 --> 00:46:42,092
Where has the Geoghan case arrived?

918
00:46:42,342 --> 00:46:44,178
Are looking for other victims.

919
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,513
I want to expand the investigation.

920
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Why? /
We got the fourth priest.

921
00:46:48,807 --> 00:46:50,642
Maybe all of them have 13 priests.

922
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:52,311
13? /
Yes.

923
00:46:52,895 --> 00:46:54,897
Who is the source? /
Phil Saviano.

924
00:46:55,439 --> 00:46:58,066
Gosh, Robby. I told Mike... /
I know.

925
00:46:58,233 --> 00:47:00,486
I think Saviano is right, Ben.

926
00:47:01,987 --> 00:47:03,363
Do you want to explain it?

927
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:05,365
Not really.

928
00:47:06,074 --> 00:47:09,077
I feel his words make sense.
This is my hunch.

929
00:47:12,456 --> 00:47:14,458
Alright./
Good.

930
00:47:14,625 --> 00:47:15,626
Thank you.

931
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:26,553
Hello?

932
00:47:26,637 --> 00:47:29,556
Mr. Rezendes? /
Yes. Who is this?

933
00:47:29,723 --> 00:47:31,308
Richard Sipe.

934
00:47:31,642 --> 00:47:34,603
Hey, Richard, how are you? /
Good.

935
00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:36,605
Thank you for calling.

936
00:47:36,772 --> 00:47:38,732
Phil Saviano gave me your name.

937
00:47:38,899 --> 00:47:40,984
I want to ask
some questions to you.

938
00:47:41,068 --> 00:47:43,070
Sure. Please. /
Good.

939
00:47:43,237 --> 00:47:45,280
Phil says you work in...

940
00:47:45,364 --> 00:47:48,450
... one of the church rehabilitation centers
in Baltimore?

941
00:47:48,742 --> 00:47:51,411
Yes. Seton Psychiatric Institute.

942
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:53,330
Managed by
Charity Charity.

943
00:47:53,497 --> 00:47:56,500
When is that, Richard?

944
00:47:57,125 --> 00:48:01,380
I started studying psychotherapy
there in 1965...

945
00:48:02,047 --> 00:48:03,247
... for five years,...

946
00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:07,469
... but 30 years later I researched
obscene priests and victims.

947
00:48:07,636 --> 00:48:08,887
Really? /
Yes.

948
00:48:08,971 --> 00:48:11,056
Is that the focus of your research?

949
00:48:11,848 --> 00:48:12,933
Listen, Mike,...

950
00:48:13,016 --> 00:48:16,353
... The church wants us to believe
they are just rotten apples.

951
00:48:16,436 --> 00:48:18,036
But the problem is more than that.

952
00:48:18,105 --> 00:48:19,731
How big, Richard?

953
00:48:19,898 --> 00:48:21,775
Based on research,...

954
00:48:21,942 --> 00:48:25,445
... I can say that
a normal psychiatric phenomenon.

955
00:48:26,655 --> 00:48:27,990
Very big.

956
00:48:33,537 --> 00:48:34,913
Hey, Mac./
Hey.

957
00:48:34,997 --> 00:48:37,082
If you want to find
pastor historical data,...

958
00:48:37,165 --> 00:48:38,542
... in the parish where he served,...

959
00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:39,793
... where is it?

960
00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:42,596
The Geoghan case? It's in the archive.
Lisa has a source of material.

961
00:48:42,629 --> 00:48:44,089
What about other pastors?

962
00:48:44,172 --> 00:48:45,591
Pastor who has never been preached.

963
00:48:45,674 --> 00:48:47,926
Are you looking for another priest? /
Who?

964
00:48:48,844 --> 00:48:50,137
Any ideas?

965
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,060
Come on, Matt,
you don't want to tell me?

966
00:48:53,056 --> 00:48:54,683
I have a meeting.
Thank you, Mac.

967
00:48:54,766 --> 00:48:56,101
Hey, Steve.

968
00:48:57,436 --> 00:48:59,479
Dioceses issue annual lists.

969
00:48:59,646 --> 00:49:01,815
All pastors and parishes. /
Good.

970
00:49:02,274 --> 00:49:04,484
Is there a list before 98?

971
00:49:04,651 --> 00:49:06,445
Yes. Until the 80s in the archive warehouse.

972
00:49:06,612 --> 00:49:08,405
Previously there was
Boston Public Library.

973
00:49:08,488 --> 00:49:10,574
Warehouse archive? Thank you, Lisa. /
You're welcome.

974
00:49:12,242 --> 00:49:14,828
He said their target
had the same situation.

975
00:49:14,911 --> 00:49:18,415
Poor families, orphans,
parents divorce.

976
00:49:18,498 --> 00:49:21,585
They choose victims
not because they like it...

977
00:49:21,752 --> 00:49:23,378
... but because of the situation.

978
00:49:23,462 --> 00:49:24,546
A quiet child.

979
00:49:26,131 --> 00:49:28,008
They are predators, Robby.

980
00:49:28,091 --> 00:49:30,385
I've talked to Sipe.
He said dozens of priests were obscene...

981
00:49:30,469 --> 00:49:31,845
... was in Seton in the 60's.

982
00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:33,680
He calls it a phenomenon.

983
00:49:33,764 --> 00:49:35,557
Why doesn't he tell the public? /
Already.

984
00:49:35,641 --> 00:49:37,643
But the Church immediately silenced him.

985
00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:41,521
Defame it, issue
public statements by the important Bishop.

986
00:49:41,605 --> 00:49:44,316
Like the words of Saviano and Garabedian.

987
00:49:44,483 --> 00:49:46,026
Is there news from Garabedian?

988
00:49:46,193 --> 00:49:48,570
More victims. /
More victims.

989
00:49:48,737 --> 00:49:50,497
You can't ask for everything? /
Can.

990
00:49:50,614 --> 00:49:52,616
But I need time. /
Come on, Mike.

991
00:49:52,824 --> 00:49:54,660
You have to ask. /
Good, good.

992
00:49:58,288 --> 00:49:59,790
Gosh. What smell is this?

993
00:49:59,873 --> 00:50:01,708
There are dead mice in the corner.

994
00:50:02,501 --> 00:50:04,294
What are you reading? /
Church lists.

995
00:50:04,461 --> 00:50:06,505
All pastors in Massachusetts.

996
00:50:06,588 --> 00:50:08,173
Parish where they work.

997
00:50:08,256 --> 00:50:09,257
This is an official list? /
Yes.

998
00:50:09,341 --> 00:50:10,425
This can help us track...

999
00:50:10,509 --> 00:50:12,219
... priests
called Saviano.

1000
00:50:12,302 --> 00:50:13,512
Maybe you can get other victims.

1001
00:50:13,595 --> 00:50:15,764
Can you turn on other lights? /
I don't know where the switch is.

1002
00:50:15,889 --> 00:50:17,929
Want to borrow my glasses? /
No need.

1003
00:50:17,974 --> 00:50:22,646
Look. 1983. John Geoghan,
Parish St. Brendan, Dorchester.

1004
00:50:22,729 --> 00:50:25,148
Can we find out where the priest
was assigned in a certain year?

1005
00:50:25,232 --> 00:50:27,484
Yes, here it is written he...

1006
00:50:27,943 --> 00:50:28,944
Wow.

1007
00:50:29,486 --> 00:50:30,654
What?

1008
00:50:30,737 --> 00:50:33,907
1980, when Geoghan was withdrawn from JP.
He mentioned sick leave.

1009
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:35,742
Really?

1010
00:50:36,993 --> 00:50:39,204
Where is the book in 1991?

1011
00:50:40,831 --> 00:50:42,499
This./
Let me see.

1012
00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:43,834
Barrett. Barrett. Liam.

1013
00:50:44,042 --> 00:50:46,420
I can't read it.
Find Liam Barrett.

1014
00:50:46,586 --> 00:50:49,339
1991, when he was transferred from Charlestown.

1015
00:50:51,842 --> 00:50:53,427
Barrett, Liam.

1016
00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:56,346
Yes./
"Leave sick."

1017
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:58,682
This is an official list.

1018
00:51:00,392 --> 00:51:02,477
Bring everything up.

1019
00:51:02,561 --> 00:51:04,813
Matt, look for the name of the priest
called Saviano.

1020
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:07,149
Robby. Yes. /
I was in court.

1021
00:51:07,858 --> 00:51:10,777
There is nothing here. /
Shanley's case file also doesn't exist.

1022
00:51:10,986 --> 00:51:12,487
Good, thank you.

1023
00:51:12,654 --> 00:51:14,334
We have to talk
with Macleish again.

1024
00:51:14,489 --> 00:51:17,075
Why? /
Nothing here.

1025
00:51:17,617 --> 00:51:19,457
I check all names.
There is no file.

1026
00:51:24,583 --> 00:51:26,623
Sorry to wait.
There was a call.

1027
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:28,545
No problem. How are you fine.

1028
00:51:28,628 --> 00:51:30,508
Thank you for meeting us. /
You're welcome. What is wrong?

1029
00:51:31,506 --> 00:51:34,551
Mr. Macleish, do you know
Pastor Paul Shanley?

1030
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:36,845
Yes, I know.

1031
00:51:38,638 --> 00:51:40,640
Has the lawsuit against Pastor Shanley
been resolved?

1032
00:51:41,975 --> 00:51:46,313
You definitely understand
I can't talk about it.

1033
00:51:46,897 --> 00:51:50,442
What about
Pastor Ronald Paquin?

1034
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:53,695
I also can't talk about it.
Come on.

1035
00:51:55,572 --> 00:51:58,116
We understand that some of the claims have been completed.

1036
00:51:58,784 --> 00:52:01,286
Even though I'm involved
with those cases,...

1037
00:52:01,369 --> 00:52:02,954
... the solution is confidential,...

1038
00:52:03,121 --> 00:52:06,082
... and my permission can be revoked
if I admit it.

1039
00:52:06,958 --> 00:52:08,710
Understand?

1040
00:52:09,211 --> 00:52:11,046
I told you this was a difficult case.

1041
00:52:12,631 --> 00:52:15,717
Most victims
just want recognition...

1042
00:52:16,301 --> 00:52:17,552
... for the crime.

1043
00:52:17,677 --> 00:52:20,013
We invite them to negotiate with the Bishop
and give a little money.

1044
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:21,973
That's the best thing they can get.

1045
00:52:22,557 --> 00:52:26,353
Precisely for pastors.

1046
00:52:27,521 --> 00:52:30,398
No. The Church promised to stop the priest.

1047
00:52:30,732 --> 00:52:32,901
Do you ask for a follow-up?

1048
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:39,908
Anything else to ask?

1049
00:52:40,075 --> 00:52:42,494
Yes. Why is there no file?

1050
00:52:42,869 --> 00:52:43,995
I am just from court.

1051
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,248
There is no file
resolution of the case.

1052
00:52:49,459 --> 00:52:51,253
We deal directly with the Church.

1053
00:52:52,754 --> 00:52:56,258
We withdraw the lawsuit
and give it to the Diocese.

1054
00:52:57,717 --> 00:52:59,344
Have you never filed a lawsuit in court?

1055
00:52:59,636 --> 00:53:01,221
This is personal mediation.

1056
00:53:01,388 --> 00:53:06,101
So only you
and the diocesan lawyer...

1057
00:53:06,768 --> 00:53:07,894
... who mediates?

1058
00:53:08,603 --> 00:53:09,604
Right.

1059
00:53:10,272 --> 00:53:11,273
There are no other people?

1060
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:14,776
Every now and then the Church presents
other lawyers to help.

1061
00:53:15,527 --> 00:53:16,820
Do you know his name?

1062
00:53:16,945 --> 00:53:18,238
No.

1063
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:20,282
I don't know.

1064
00:53:21,366 --> 00:53:22,868
So everything is resolved
in family terms?

1065
00:53:22,951 --> 00:53:24,452
There are no documents at all.

1066
00:53:24,953 --> 00:53:26,955
Each victim signs an agreement to keep secret...

1067
00:53:27,038 --> 00:53:28,164
... completion.

1068
00:53:28,248 --> 00:53:30,876
The lawyer gets a third of it
and the Church hides it.

1069
00:53:30,959 --> 00:53:32,544
Gosh, it's fraud.

1070
00:53:32,627 --> 00:53:34,129
More complicated than that.

1071
00:53:34,254 --> 00:53:37,090
Macleish has the task of getting the best solution for his client.

1072
00:53:37,257 --> 00:53:40,176
But how many victims
feel lucky...

1073
00:53:40,302 --> 00:53:41,386
... before talking to the Church?

1074
00:53:41,469 --> 00:53:43,513
Garabedian will say nothing.

1075
00:53:43,597 --> 00:53:45,473
That's why he brought
his lawsuit to court...

1076
00:53:45,557 --> 00:53:47,267
... because he wants people to know.

1077
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:50,061
Right.
And legal ethics is ignored, Ben.

1078
00:53:50,228 --> 00:53:52,188
The way MacLeish uses
is pretty good...

1079
00:53:52,355 --> 00:53:54,566
... but it actually makes
the obscenity not revealed.

1080
00:53:55,692 --> 00:53:58,695
Yes. Did Macleish confirm
all priests called Saviano?

1081
00:53:58,987 --> 00:54:03,325
No. Confidentiality agreement
prohibits him from speaking.

1082
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,578
But the fact is that he has already completed some of the claims.

1083
00:54:06,661 --> 00:54:08,330
Phil introduced me
with other victims.

1084
00:54:08,413 --> 00:54:11,166
I'm sure all the priests
he calls will be proven.

1085
00:54:12,167 --> 00:54:13,877
So all 13 pastors?

1086
00:54:14,044 --> 00:54:15,712
Yes. /
It seems like that.

1087
00:54:17,255 --> 00:54:18,924
Gosh.

1088
00:54:21,301 --> 00:54:23,136
OK. Continue.

1089
00:54:27,015 --> 00:54:28,850
Sorry. Who was your name?

1090
00:54:29,601 --> 00:54:32,729
Baron.

1091
00:54:32,854 --> 00:54:34,814
B-A-R-O-N.

1092
00:54:35,899 --> 00:54:38,902
I can't find your name
. Wait a minute.

1093
00:54:38,985 --> 00:54:41,321
It's okay, Kim,
I can guarantee it.

1094
00:54:41,404 --> 00:54:44,157
I'm Pete Conley,
a member of the Catholic Charity Board.

1095
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:45,909
Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron.

1096
00:54:46,534 --> 00:54:48,703
Thank you. /
Thank you for coming too.

1097
00:54:49,371 --> 00:54:51,623
We are very proud of
our activities in Boston.

1098
00:54:52,415 --> 00:54:54,292
The cardinal says your meeting
runs smoothly.

1099
00:54:55,251 --> 00:54:56,544
Right.

1100
00:54:56,628 --> 00:54:59,798
He's a great person.
I'm glad you can meet.

1101
00:55:13,853 --> 00:55:14,896
Do you like the party?

1102
00:55:17,023 --> 00:55:20,694
I honestly don't like
with events like this.

1103
00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:23,780
Yes. /
Are you a member of the Charity Body too?

1104
00:55:23,863 --> 00:55:26,032
Not directly.
Some of my friends are members here.

1105
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,743
We are one high school.
Boston College.

1106
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:31,496
The school is across the Globe.

1107
00:55:31,871 --> 00:55:33,373
Hard to miss. /
Yes.

1108
00:55:34,582 --> 00:55:36,251
It's hard to refuse too.

1109
00:55:38,628 --> 00:55:43,216
The cardinal is on the other end,
if you want to see him.

1110
00:55:43,675 --> 00:55:45,343
We have already met. /
Really?

1111
00:55:46,219 --> 00:55:47,887
Does he mention the lawsuit?

1112
00:55:47,971 --> 00:55:50,682
No, but he gave me the book of Catechism.

1113
00:55:51,057 --> 00:55:54,728
Cardinal is unknown
because of his hospitality.

1114
00:55:54,811 --> 00:55:56,312
When investigating the Porter case...

1115
00:55:56,479 --> 00:55:59,315
... he blatantly begs
God's power over the Globe.

1116
00:56:00,233 --> 00:56:01,568
What is the result?

1117
00:56:02,736 --> 00:56:05,572
A week later our editor
broke his leg while skiing.

1118
00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:08,324
Shrimp bread, gentlemen?

1119
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:10,952
No thanks. /
No.

1120
00:56:12,454 --> 00:56:16,166
You said one of the victims
reported it as a criminal case?

1121
00:56:16,249 --> 00:56:17,751
Some.

1122
00:56:19,294 --> 00:56:21,087
But the judge closes
the case file...

1123
00:56:21,171 --> 00:56:23,048
... after Church friends
filed an objection.

1124
00:56:23,381 --> 00:56:25,091
And the Church has many friends.

1125
00:56:25,216 --> 00:56:26,509
Like Eric Macleish?

1126
00:56:28,053 --> 00:56:29,387
Yes.

1127
00:56:29,471 --> 00:56:32,557
Suppose he is not
part of the solution.

1128
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,601
Do you understand what I mean? /
Yes.

1129
00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:36,728
You work hard, Mr. Rezendes.

1130
00:56:36,811 --> 00:56:39,731
Are you married? /
Yes.

1131
00:56:39,814 --> 00:56:41,399
Your wife doesn't complain
Do you work all day?

1132
00:56:41,483 --> 00:56:42,984
He complained.

1133
00:56:45,361 --> 00:56:48,198
That's why I'm not married.
I'm very busy.

1134
00:56:48,907 --> 00:56:50,492
My work is very important.

1135
00:56:54,996 --> 00:56:56,316
Your new editor.
He's Jewish, & right?

1136
00:56:57,832 --> 00:56:59,834
Right./
Yes.

1137
00:57:00,502 --> 00:57:03,838
He came then suddenly
everyone was interested in the Church.

1138
00:57:03,963 --> 00:57:05,006
Do you know the reason?

1139
00:57:06,007 --> 00:57:08,843
Because this case
needs an outsider, like me.

1140
00:57:09,511 --> 00:57:11,137
I'm Armenian.

1141
00:57:11,304 --> 00:57:13,139
How many Armenians in Boston do you know?

1142
00:57:14,516 --> 00:57:16,309
Steve Kurkjian, Globe reporter.

1143
00:57:17,227 --> 00:57:20,146
So there are two people.
You are entitled to a prize.

1144
00:57:21,022 --> 00:57:23,233
You're Italian? /
No, Portuguese.

1145
00:57:24,567 --> 00:57:26,820
Where are you from? /
East Boston.

1146
00:57:28,738 --> 00:57:30,657
Really?
East Boston?

1147
00:57:32,617 --> 00:57:34,035
Your slurry is subtle.

1148
00:57:40,458 --> 00:57:43,044
This city, residents here...

1149
00:57:45,046 --> 00:57:47,132
... makes us feel strange.

1150
00:57:47,882 --> 00:57:49,175
But they are no better than us.

1151
00:57:50,176 --> 00:57:52,011
Look at their attitude towards children.

1152
00:57:54,305 --> 00:57:56,224
Listen to me, Mr. Rezendes,...

1153
00:57:56,307 --> 00:57:58,476
... if you need one village
to raise a child...

1154
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,061
... then one village also needs
to make it happen.

1155
00:58:04,732 --> 00:58:07,735
Here it is. Do you want a beer?

1156
00:58:08,736 --> 00:58:10,989
Add.
Are you with Barbara?

1157
00:58:11,156 --> 00:58:14,242
He doesn't like this party. /
Karen too.

1158
00:58:14,492 --> 00:58:15,743
Yes./
Smart woman.

1159
00:58:16,202 --> 00:58:17,829
Cheers.

1160
00:58:20,206 --> 00:58:21,541
I met your new editor.

1161
00:58:22,458 --> 00:58:24,794
The person is polite. /
Right.

1162
00:58:27,172 --> 00:58:31,176
I got good information from Eric Macleish yesterday.

1163
00:58:32,051 --> 00:58:36,723
It turned out that he had completed
cases of sexual abuse from before.

1164
00:58:37,390 --> 00:58:40,059
Do you want to talk
about that here?

1165
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,565
Jim, you said you helped
Pastor Barrett as a favor.

1166
00:58:46,524 --> 00:58:48,026
Only once?

1167
00:58:51,529 --> 00:58:53,698
How many cases do you handle?

1168
00:58:55,074 --> 00:58:57,702
You know I can't answer it.
Unethical.

1169
00:58:59,162 --> 00:59:00,622
Is that the reason?

1170
00:59:03,082 --> 00:59:07,212
So here's Robby Robinson.

1171
00:59:07,295 --> 00:59:09,130
I often hear about him
but have never met.

1172
00:59:11,341 --> 00:59:12,759
Look, Jimmy.

1173
00:59:13,509 --> 00:59:15,553
You want to be
on the right side.

1174
00:59:17,805 --> 00:59:20,600
We are talking about the Church, Robby.

1175
00:59:20,683 --> 00:59:22,352
Look.
They're good people,...

1176
00:59:22,435 --> 00:59:24,270
... many contributions to this city.

1177
00:59:26,022 --> 00:59:27,774
Enjoy the party.

1178
00:59:36,574 --> 00:59:38,826
I have checked almost everything.

1179
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:40,370
They don't just use the "sick leave" reason...

1180
00:59:40,453 --> 00:59:42,330
... in moving the pastor.

1181
00:59:42,413 --> 00:59:44,916
They use a lot of istiliah.
"Forced leave."

1182
00:59:45,041 --> 00:59:47,460
"Released."
"Emergency call."

1183
00:59:47,543 --> 00:59:50,023
They have a lot of words. /
Except for "Rape."

1184
00:59:50,588 --> 00:59:53,049
They are often transferred
compared to other pastors.

1185
00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:54,467
When I was a kid,
pastor was moved...

1186
00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:56,219
... after 7-8 years.
Sometimes it's longer.

1187
00:59:56,302 --> 00:59:58,596
But they are the highest
only three years.

1188
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,015
Are all pastors called
Saviano using this term?

1189
01:00:01,099 --> 01:00:03,226
The pattern is quite clear.

1190
01:00:03,309 --> 01:00:04,852
Hey, Sipe is calling.

1191
01:00:05,395 --> 01:00:08,314
If you want
to understand this problem,...

1192
01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:10,817
... you must start
from the Oath of Celibacy.

1193
01:00:11,025 --> 01:00:12,777
That was my first important discovery.

1194
01:00:13,194 --> 01:00:15,780
Only 50% of pastors
are still celibate (virgin).

1195
01:00:16,948 --> 01:00:19,867
Most of the time I have had a relationship.

1196
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:23,121
But this fact gives rise to a culture of secrecy,...

1197
01:00:23,204 --> 01:00:26,207
... tolerate even
protect pedophiles.

1198
01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:31,296
So you believe the Church
knows this problem?

1199
01:00:31,462 --> 01:00:34,757
Sure. After the first big
scandal in Louisiana,...

1200
01:00:34,924 --> 01:00:38,052
... Tom Doyle, lawyer for Canonical Law
for the Vatican Ambassador,...

1201
01:00:38,219 --> 01:00:40,972
... write a warning report
if the pedophile priest...

1202
01:00:41,055 --> 01:00:43,224
... is a big responsibility.

1203
01:00:43,474 --> 01:00:45,018
It was 1985.

1204
01:00:45,184 --> 01:00:47,353
1985? /
Right.

1205
01:00:48,438 --> 01:00:50,940
Who reads the report?
Are there Church officials?

1206
01:00:51,316 --> 01:00:52,525
Sure.

1207
01:00:52,608 --> 01:00:54,235
Doyle has submitted the report in...

1208
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:56,571
... National Conference of Catholic Bishops.

1209
01:00:57,071 --> 01:01:00,575
Even Cardinal Law was able to provide financial assistance.

1210
01:01:00,742 --> 01:01:02,785
But then he backed away
and they ignored it.

1211
01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:03,953
Are you serious?

1212
01:01:04,037 --> 01:01:06,289
Richard, this is Robby.

1213
01:01:06,664 --> 01:01:11,085
We think there are 13 priests
who are in accordance with the pattern,...

1214
01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:14,922
... which will be
big news.

1215
01:01:15,089 --> 01:01:18,092
Are the numbers right?

1216
01:01:19,052 --> 01:01:21,763
Not really, Robby.
Still low.

1217
01:01:22,805 --> 01:01:26,309
Count me there are 6% pastors
who do sexual abuse.

1218
01:01:27,602 --> 01:01:29,187
6% of what?

1219
01:01:29,854 --> 01:01:32,106
6% of all pastors.

1220
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:33,775
How many pastors in Boston?

1221
01:01:33,858 --> 01:01:35,818
About 1,500.
1% means 15.

1222
01:01:35,985 --> 01:01:38,363
6% means...

1223
01:01:38,446 --> 01:01:39,655
... 90.

1224
01:01:40,615 --> 01:01:44,202
90 pastors.
Right?

1225
01:01:44,786 --> 01:01:46,954
When viewed from the scale of the count...

1226
01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:50,958
Yes. That's about that.

1227
01:01:57,215 --> 01:01:58,216
Hello?

1228
01:02:00,885 --> 01:02:02,970
90 pastors? In Boston?

1229
01:02:03,471 --> 01:02:04,806
That's what he said.

1230
01:02:06,057 --> 01:02:08,309
If there are 90 obscene pastors,
everyone knows.

1231
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:09,936
Maybe they know.

1232
01:02:10,019 --> 01:02:11,479
And nobody reports?

1233
01:02:12,188 --> 01:02:13,189
Good citizens.

1234
01:02:14,357 --> 01:02:16,797
That is not the right reason
to be made news.

1235
01:02:17,026 --> 01:02:19,529
Macleish knows.
He said nothing.

1236
01:02:19,946 --> 01:02:21,489
That's 13 pastors.

1237
01:02:21,572 --> 01:02:23,533
13 with 90 far different.

1238
01:02:23,699 --> 01:02:25,339
Where does Sipe
get the estimate?

1239
01:02:25,493 --> 01:02:27,370
He researched it for 30 years.

1240
01:02:27,453 --> 01:02:28,996
He is a trained psychotherapist.

1241
01:02:29,163 --> 01:02:31,999
But we need
more than just a count...

1242
01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:34,377
... from a former priest
who married a nun.

1243
01:02:34,669 --> 01:02:37,880
We are looking for other victims.
We will find other priests.

1244
01:02:37,964 --> 01:02:40,508
Then match it to the list book.

1245
01:02:40,591 --> 01:02:41,968
There are many victims.

1246
01:02:42,051 --> 01:02:43,594
We will find it.

1247
01:02:43,678 --> 01:02:44,762
How long?

1248
01:02:46,222 --> 01:02:47,348
Very long.

1249
01:02:49,016 --> 01:02:50,226
Wait.
The meeting is over?

1250
01:02:50,351 --> 01:02:51,561
For now.

1251
01:02:54,063 --> 01:02:56,399
What's wrong? /
What if you back off again?

1252
01:02:57,191 --> 01:02:59,151
What do you mean? From where? /
From the pastor list book.

1253
01:02:59,193 --> 01:03:01,028
Previously we used it to make sure the priest was obscene.

1254
01:03:01,195 --> 01:03:02,447
What if we turn it around?

1255
01:03:02,530 --> 01:03:04,850
Use the book to recognize the obscene priest./
Right.

1256
01:03:04,949 --> 01:03:06,409
We are looking through the information section.

1257
01:03:06,576 --> 01:03:09,370
Find a priest with information
"sick leave" or "released."

1258
01:03:09,454 --> 01:03:11,622
Or who is often moved. /
Right.

1259
01:03:11,706 --> 01:03:13,207
It takes a long time.

1260
01:03:13,291 --> 01:03:15,293
Not if we all look for it.

1261
01:03:15,376 --> 01:03:16,544
You too?

1262
01:03:16,586 --> 01:03:19,422
Usually, "All" means me too. /
Usually.

1263
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,377
Pain Leave

1264
01:03:27,691 --> 01:03:28,958
Discharge

1265
01:03:31,538 --> 01:03:33,088
Pain Leave

1266
01:03:55,082 --> 01:04:07,009


1267
01:04:13,476 --> 01:04:15,478
Library closed.

1268
01:04:18,231 --> 01:04:20,233
Library closed.

1269
01:04:26,906 --> 01:04:29,032
Eugene M. O 'Sullivan
Rehabilitation Center
Pelton Street No. 276

1270
01:04:29,492 --> 01:04:30,785
Gosh.

1271
01:05:18,374 --> 01:05:20,376
Not possible.

1272
01:05:23,963 --> 01:05:26,213
CHILDREN.
Avoid homes in Pelton Street No. 276.

1273
01:05:26,214 --> 01:05:29,174
Avoid the occupants too.

1274
01:05:29,218 --> 01:05:30,261
Talbot./
Yes.

1275
01:05:30,344 --> 01:05:31,345
Tivnan./
Yes.

1276
01:05:31,846 --> 01:05:32,930
Toma./
Yes.

1277
01:05:33,014 --> 01:05:34,348
Turnbull./
Yes.

1278
01:05:34,432 --> 01:05:35,600
Walsh./
Yes.

1279
01:05:35,683 --> 01:05:36,892
Welsh./
Yes.

1280
01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:38,436
Done./
Done.

1281
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:39,937
Yes, Lord. /
Robby?

1282
01:05:40,021 --> 01:05:42,398
Minus three of the Sipe./ estimates
Extraordinary.

1283
01:05:42,481 --> 01:05:43,691
Robby?

1284
01:05:43,774 --> 01:05:44,942
How much? /
87.

1285
01:05:45,026 --> 01:05:47,028
87 pastors in Boston.

1286
01:05:49,697 --> 01:05:52,533
Phone Macleish. I want to talk to him. /
Good.

1287
01:05:53,367 --> 01:05:56,162
Can you print? /
Sure.

1288
01:05:58,789 --> 01:06:00,249
Jim Sullivan's Office.

1289
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:02,543
Walter Robinson wants to talk
with Jim Sullivan.

1290
01:06:02,627 --> 01:06:04,295
Please say this is important.

1291
01:06:04,462 --> 01:06:06,047
Please wait a moment.

1292
01:06:10,843 --> 01:06:12,303
Hey, Robby.
There is a problem?

1293
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:14,388
I need something from you, Jim.

1294
01:06:14,722 --> 01:06:16,390
Could there be 90 pastors?

1295
01:06:16,974 --> 01:06:19,143
What? /
Are the numbers up to 90?

1296
01:06:19,810 --> 01:06:21,228
Gosh, Robby.

1297
01:06:21,354 --> 01:06:24,857
I need to know, Jim.
I won't ask if it's not important.

1298
01:06:26,901 --> 01:06:28,653
You have to stop, Robby.

1299
01:06:36,744 --> 01:06:39,914
Robby, Macleish's assistant says
he's busy, he can't meet.

1300
01:06:40,831 --> 01:06:42,833
Fuck him.

1301
01:06:48,422 --> 01:06:50,424
OK.
Would have been nice.

1302
01:06:54,261 --> 01:06:55,805
Later I will follow.

1303
01:06:55,888 --> 01:06:57,264
OK.

1304
01:06:57,431 --> 01:06:59,600
Hey. Sorry.

1305
01:06:59,684 --> 01:07:00,851
But I don't have time now.

1306
01:07:00,935 --> 01:07:02,144
Maybe my assistant can...

1307
01:07:02,228 --> 01:07:03,396
Mr. Macleish,
we have reason to be sure...

1308
01:07:03,479 --> 01:07:06,119
... if there are allegations against
87 pastors in Boston.

1309
01:07:07,108 --> 01:07:08,567
I can't talk about it.

1310
01:07:08,609 --> 01:07:10,569
Are the numbers right? /
You must be joking.

1311
01:07:10,653 --> 01:07:12,530
I told you I didn't have time to talk about it.

1312
01:07:12,613 --> 01:07:14,782
Eric. How many pastor
cases have you finished?

1313
01:07:16,242 --> 01:07:17,451
Robby, you know
I can't say it.

1314
01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:20,830
You will give me their name
and the names of the victims.

1315
01:07:22,957 --> 01:07:24,125
Do you threaten me?

1316
01:07:24,625 --> 01:07:26,502
We have two news.

1317
01:07:26,585 --> 01:07:28,504
News about dirty pastors...

1318
01:07:28,671 --> 01:07:30,548
... and news about a group of lawyers...

1319
01:07:30,631 --> 01:07:33,092
... who use child abuse
as money.

1320
01:07:33,676 --> 01:07:36,053
Which news do you want us to write?

1321
01:07:36,137 --> 01:07:37,805
Because we will
write one of them.

1322
01:07:41,475 --> 01:07:43,978
I have sent
a list of names.

1323
01:07:45,312 --> 01:07:46,939
What do you mean? To whom?

1324
01:07:47,189 --> 01:07:49,859
Globe .
A few years ago.

1325
01:07:49,942 --> 01:07:51,902
After the Porter case.
I got a lot of calls.

1326
01:07:51,986 --> 01:07:54,321
I sued 20 pastors in Boston,...

1327
01:07:54,405 --> 01:07:56,245
... but I can't win
without the help of the media.

1328
01:07:56,490 --> 01:08:00,953
So I sent a list of names,
but you throw them away.

1329
01:08:03,164 --> 01:08:04,540
Send me a list tomorrow.

1330
01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:06,834
Check your archives, Robby.

1331
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:10,671
We never found it.

1332
01:08:10,838 --> 01:08:12,673
A surprise.

1333
01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:17,344
Richard, are you still attending mass?

1334
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:20,556
No. I haven't been in church for a long time.

1335
01:08:20,848 --> 01:08:23,142
But I still consider
myself a Catholic.

1336
01:08:23,476 --> 01:08:24,852
Why is that possible?

1337
01:08:25,186 --> 01:08:27,730
The church is an institution, Mike.

1338
01:08:28,147 --> 01:08:29,648
Man-made.

1339
01:08:29,732 --> 01:08:32,860
Not permanent.
But my faith is always eternal.

1340
01:08:33,861 --> 01:08:35,529
I tried to separate the two.

1341
01:08:36,322 --> 01:08:38,699
Sounds difficult.
Indeed.

1342
01:08:38,908 --> 01:08:41,577
Especially since the Church is targeting me.

1343
01:08:42,161 --> 01:08:43,662
Need a struggle, Mike.

1344
01:08:44,205 --> 01:08:45,965
They will silence
whoever talks.

1345
01:08:45,998 --> 01:08:48,375
I'm sure soon
they will catch up to you.

1346
01:08:48,667 --> 01:08:50,878
Really?
How to?

1347
01:08:54,715 --> 01:08:56,342
Hello?

1348
01:08:56,509 --> 01:08:57,510
Richard?

1349
01:09:04,058 --> 01:09:05,226
Who is that?

1350
01:09:05,309 --> 01:09:07,311
Archbishop of Canterbury.

1351
01:09:11,065 --> 01:09:12,945
I have dinner at Santarpio's.
I carry the rest.

1352
01:09:13,067 --> 01:09:16,529
You are indeed good.
Thank you. Want a beer?

1353
01:09:17,238 --> 01:09:19,615
Yes. /
I get it.

1354
01:09:19,782 --> 01:09:21,242
Gosh.

1355
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:23,202
How long do you want to stay here?

1356
01:09:23,285 --> 01:09:24,912
Yes. Soon.

1357
01:09:25,746 --> 01:09:27,081
Your wife is very good, Mike.

1358
01:09:27,248 --> 01:09:30,334
Right.
We will think about it.

1359
01:09:30,417 --> 01:09:32,962
I was busy lately.

1360
01:09:33,045 --> 01:09:34,805
I just talked to Sipe.

1361
01:09:35,548 --> 01:09:37,174
Have you ever met?

1362
01:09:37,716 --> 01:09:41,053
No, but the knowledge
about this case is really great.

1363
01:09:41,136 --> 01:09:42,304
I'm very hungry.

1364
01:09:44,807 --> 01:09:46,600
Where has
been about 90 pastors?

1365
01:09:47,434 --> 01:09:49,478
Approaching. /
How much?

1366
01:09:49,603 --> 01:09:52,106
Approaching. /
Just answer the question.

1367
01:09:55,442 --> 01:09:57,570
We got 87 names.

1368
01:09:57,653 --> 01:09:59,613
We are looking for confirmation.
We will get it.

1369
01:10:02,408 --> 01:10:03,826
Has anyone bothered you?

1370
01:10:04,451 --> 01:10:05,995
Just stunned.

1371
01:10:07,121 --> 01:10:10,499
Yes. Everyone is like that.

1372
01:10:15,963 --> 01:10:18,507
Hey, Ben.
I forgot to ask.

1373
01:10:19,008 --> 01:10:22,219
Phil Saviano says he once sent information to the Globe.

1374
01:10:22,303 --> 01:10:23,804
Do you know who the recipient is?

1375
01:10:24,305 --> 01:10:25,556
No, why?

1376
01:10:25,639 --> 01:10:27,159
Just curious.
I want to know...

1377
01:10:27,308 --> 01:10:29,068
... is there any information
that you don't load.

1378
01:10:29,476 --> 01:10:31,687
Saviano was very messy
five years ago, Mike.

1379
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:33,105
There is no info left behind.

1380
01:10:33,188 --> 01:10:34,857
This case needs Spotlight.

1381
01:10:36,317 --> 01:10:38,319
You're right.
I'm looking for more info.

1382
01:10:41,322 --> 01:10:42,990
Good night./
Good night.

1383
01:10:47,828 --> 01:10:49,038
This is amazing.

1384
01:10:49,121 --> 01:10:50,289
When did you get it?

1385
01:10:50,497 --> 01:10:52,499
Macleish wrote it this morning.

1386
01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:55,210
He completed a lawsuit against 45 priests.

1387
01:10:56,003 --> 01:10:57,755
What about Law?

1388
01:10:57,838 --> 01:10:59,757
Is there evidence he knows this?

1389
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,134
We are still looking for info from the Garabedian.
Nothing is valid yet.

1390
01:11:02,468 --> 01:11:04,762
I still think about your words...

1391
01:11:04,845 --> 01:11:07,222
... about how Law
begs for God's power...

1392
01:11:07,306 --> 01:11:09,683
... when we covered the Porter case.

1393
01:11:10,059 --> 01:11:12,144
It's Law's job.

1394
01:11:12,227 --> 01:11:13,771
But I checked the file...

1395
01:11:13,854 --> 01:11:17,399
... and at that time Porter
was not part of the Boston Diocese.

1396
01:11:17,566 --> 01:11:20,235
He is from Fall River.
So...

1397
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:21,862
... why is the reaction so hard?

1398
01:11:23,572 --> 01:11:25,074
Law must know.

1399
01:11:25,699 --> 01:11:27,534
That's why the reaction is so.

1400
01:11:27,826 --> 01:11:29,370
Because he knows
there are other priests.

1401
01:11:32,706 --> 01:11:34,541
For me that's bigger news.

1402
01:11:36,043 --> 01:11:37,586
Bigger than 50 pastors?

1403
01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:40,464
If it comes from
Church officials. Yes.

1404
01:11:40,839 --> 01:11:42,383
But the number clearly indicates...

1405
01:11:42,508 --> 01:11:44,028
... senior priests know it.

1406
01:11:44,176 --> 01:11:45,427
That's what they do.
Indicates.

1407
01:11:45,594 --> 01:11:47,262
So if we preach...

1408
01:11:47,388 --> 01:11:49,056
... about 50 pedophile priests in Boston...

1409
01:11:49,139 --> 01:11:50,391
Mike!

1410
01:11:50,474 --> 01:11:52,714
We can accuse each other again
as in the case of Porter...

1411
01:11:52,768 --> 01:11:54,311
... to make a scene,...

1412
01:11:54,395 --> 01:11:56,397
... but nothing has changed.

1413
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:03,237
We must focus on the institution,
not the pastor.

1414
01:12:03,862 --> 01:12:05,155
Activities and policies.

1415
01:12:05,698 --> 01:12:07,491
Show me how
the Church plays the system...

1416
01:12:07,574 --> 01:12:09,201
... so that the priests
not be sued.

1417
01:12:09,284 --> 01:12:11,245
Show how they
put the same pastor...

1418
01:12:11,412 --> 01:12:13,372
... to various parishes
repeatedly.

1419
01:12:13,455 --> 01:12:14,957
Show me that this is systemic,...

1420
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,084
... if this is a direct order from above.

1421
01:12:19,294 --> 01:12:21,255
Sounds like we will pursue Law.

1422
01:12:25,426 --> 01:12:27,428
We pursue the system.

1423
01:12:30,222 --> 01:12:32,933
Make a list of victims.
Meet them.

1424
01:12:33,142 --> 01:12:34,862
Invite Matt if you need help.

1425
01:12:34,935 --> 01:12:36,478
Good./
When do you want to go to Springfield?

1426
01:12:36,645 --> 01:12:38,605
The session is Monday./
Good.

1427
01:12:39,273 --> 01:12:40,941
Robby, is there a short time?

1428
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,401
Yes.

1429
01:12:43,444 --> 01:12:45,863
There is a church rehabilitation center...

1430
01:12:45,946 --> 01:12:47,114
... one block from my house.

1431
01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:51,035
There are children
in our environment.

1432
01:12:51,118 --> 01:12:54,371
I know our work is secret,
but I feel...

1433
01:12:55,581 --> 01:12:56,707
I have to tell them.

1434
01:13:01,170 --> 01:13:02,463
Soon.

1435
01:13:03,630 --> 01:13:04,631
Are you sure?

1436
01:13:05,966 --> 01:13:07,134
Yes./
Good.

1437
01:13:10,554 --> 01:13:13,057
Hi. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer.
I'm from The Boston Globe.

1438
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:15,851
I want to talk
with Matthew Walsh.

1439
01:13:16,643 --> 01:13:18,562
Is he not there?

1440
01:13:23,358 --> 01:13:24,526
OK.

1441
01:13:31,742 --> 01:13:32,785
Hi./
Hi.

1442
01:13:32,868 --> 01:13:34,119
I'm Sacha Pfeiffer
from The Boston Globe.

1443
01:13:34,244 --> 01:13:35,454
What do you want?

1444
01:13:35,537 --> 01:13:37,017
I want to talk
with Thomas Kennedy.

1445
01:13:37,164 --> 01:13:38,415
He has moved.

1446
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:39,792
Where do you know?

1447
01:13:40,167 --> 01:13:41,835
Sir, I just want to ask...

1448
01:13:44,004 --> 01:13:45,130
Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe.

1449
01:13:45,214 --> 01:13:46,673
Hi.

1450
01:13:46,757 --> 01:13:48,175
Hi. thanks.

1451
01:13:48,842 --> 01:13:50,302
Do you remember anything else?

1452
01:13:50,427 --> 01:13:51,887
No.

1453
01:13:51,970 --> 01:13:53,847
But I have a cousin in Quincy.

1454
01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:55,808
He met him on the way
a few years later.

1455
01:13:56,683 --> 01:13:58,268
The bishop comes to my house.

1456
01:13:58,352 --> 01:14:00,020
He says this
has never happened,...

1457
01:14:00,104 --> 01:14:01,647
... and he asked us
to revoke the lawsuit.

1458
01:14:02,064 --> 01:14:03,857
What did your mother do?

1459
01:14:03,941 --> 01:14:05,234
My mother?

1460
01:14:06,693 --> 01:14:08,278
He offers cakes.

1461
01:14:12,616 --> 01:14:14,701
There is a lot of pressure
so we are silent.

1462
01:14:15,035 --> 01:14:16,036
From the Church?

1463
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,871
Yes, from the Church.

1464
01:14:17,955 --> 01:14:19,873
But it's not just the Church.

1465
01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,626
From my friends,...

1466
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:24,253
... from other congregations.

1467
01:14:24,419 --> 01:14:26,421
Many priests I care for...

1468
01:14:26,505 --> 01:14:28,799
... the psychosexual nature is late,...

1469
01:14:28,882 --> 01:14:31,135
... the level of emotion is
like teenagers.

1470
01:14:31,301 --> 01:14:32,636
Gosh.

1471
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,513
Of course the Commander knows.
Everyone knows,...

1472
01:14:34,638 --> 01:14:36,390
... but nobody wants
to arrest the priest.

1473
01:14:38,142 --> 01:14:39,393
What about the Prosecutor?

1474
01:14:40,394 --> 01:14:41,979
I shouldn't talk.

1475
01:14:42,146 --> 01:14:44,356
I think it should be.

1476
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,692
Do you know Pastor Hurley
or Pastor Gale?

1477
01:14:47,442 --> 01:14:48,485
Yes.

1478
01:14:48,569 --> 01:14:49,736
I swear, I will teach you.

1479
01:14:49,903 --> 01:14:51,029
Sorry to bother.

1480
01:14:51,113 --> 01:14:52,281
Don't bother me and my brother!

1481
01:14:52,364 --> 01:14:53,365
Do you hear, asshole?

1482
01:15:01,915 --> 01:15:04,042
Hi.
I'm looking for Ronald Paquin.

1483
01:15:04,126 --> 01:15:05,127
Yes?

1484
01:15:06,295 --> 01:15:07,421
Are you Father Paquin?

1485
01:15:07,546 --> 01:15:08,630
Right.

1486
01:15:09,923 --> 01:15:11,967
I am Sacha Pfeiffer
from The Boston Globe.

1487
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:13,050
Good.

1488
01:15:13,093 --> 01:15:14,511
May I ask?

1489
01:15:14,636 --> 01:15:16,138
Please.

1490
01:15:16,805 --> 01:15:18,849
We talk to some men
that you know when they were little...

1491
01:15:18,932 --> 01:15:20,601
... in the church of St. John the Baptist
at Haverhill.

1492
01:15:23,145 --> 01:15:24,938
They say you are copying it.
Is it true?

1493
01:15:27,441 --> 01:15:31,361
I really did,
but I'm not proud.

1494
01:15:32,946 --> 01:15:35,699
Good. But you acknowledge that
has been abusing children...

1495
01:15:35,782 --> 01:15:36,867
... in the church of St. John the Baptist?

1496
01:15:37,951 --> 01:15:40,412
Yes. But as I said...

1497
01:15:40,495 --> 01:15:42,039
... I'm not proud
with my actions.

1498
01:15:42,497 --> 01:15:44,499
You must understand.

1499
01:15:44,666 --> 01:15:45,667
Good.

1500
01:15:46,001 --> 01:15:49,046
Can tell
where and how...

1501
01:15:49,129 --> 01:15:50,449
... You molested them?

1502
01:15:52,049 --> 01:15:53,759
I want to clarify,...

1503
01:15:53,842 --> 01:15:55,469
... I have never
raped anyone.

1504
01:15:56,637 --> 01:15:58,805
That's different.
I should know.

1505
01:15:59,473 --> 01:16:00,641
How do you know?

1506
01:16:00,766 --> 01:16:01,892
I was raped.

1507
01:16:04,645 --> 01:16:06,438
Sorry. Who raped you?

1508
01:16:06,521 --> 01:16:07,522
Ronnie, who are you talking to?

1509
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:09,107
It's okay, Jane. /
Pastor Paquin, who raped you?

1510
01:16:09,191 --> 01:16:10,192
Who are you?

1511
01:16:10,651 --> 01:16:12,527
Sacha Pfeiffer, from The Globe.

1512
01:16:12,694 --> 01:16:14,574
Please leave my house. /
I can talk to myself.

1513
01:16:14,655 --> 01:16:16,657
Enter, Ronnie./
Sir...

1514
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:18,533
Enter, Ronald./
Sorry.

1515
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:19,785
Sorry, who are you?

1516
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:20,953
I'm his sister...

1517
01:16:21,036 --> 01:16:22,246
... and I don't want
to see you again here.

1518
01:16:22,329 --> 01:16:23,497
Ms. Paquin...

1519
01:16:31,213 --> 01:16:32,839
I will defeat you!

1520
01:16:32,965 --> 01:16:34,645
Not possible.
I beat you yesterday!

1521
01:16:34,716 --> 01:16:35,796
No, you're cheating!

1522
01:16:35,842 --> 01:16:36,885
You're cheating!

1523
01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:47,521
Can explain
the intent of the Globe lawsuit, Mr. Albano?

1524
01:16:47,771 --> 01:16:49,189
Good, Judge Sweeney.

1525
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,779
Our foundation demands
this document is opened...

1526
01:16:55,862 --> 01:16:58,490
... in accordance with the First Amendment.

1527
01:16:58,782 --> 01:17:01,368
We also have other bases.

1528
01:17:01,451 --> 01:17:02,452
However, Your Honor,...

1529
01:17:02,536 --> 01:17:03,787
... this is a discretionary decision.

1530
01:17:04,204 --> 01:17:06,707
The decision is made based on the judge's discretion (authority).

1531
01:17:06,873 --> 01:17:08,166
Hey, Mike.

1532
01:17:08,292 --> 01:17:09,543
Hey, Joe.

1533
01:17:10,377 --> 01:17:11,461
What is a Spotlight reporter...

1534
01:17:11,545 --> 01:17:12,671
... do it in Springfield?

1535
01:17:15,048 --> 01:17:17,634
Your lawyer Albano
looks difficult.

1536
01:17:17,718 --> 01:17:19,594
Do you feel you can win?

1537
01:17:19,761 --> 01:17:21,471
Do you want me to comment on the Herald?

1538
01:17:23,724 --> 01:17:26,226
"The Globe Reporter
will not comment,...

1539
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:29,646
... but he looks resigned."

1540
01:17:30,772 --> 01:17:32,691
He doesn't try to hide it.

1541
01:17:32,774 --> 01:17:35,652
He has a strange reason.

1542
01:17:35,736 --> 01:17:37,154
As if that was normal...

1543
01:17:37,237 --> 01:17:38,477
... to abuse young children.

1544
01:17:39,406 --> 01:17:41,700
I want to go there again.
I think he wants to talk.

1545
01:17:42,534 --> 01:17:43,910
Sure.

1546
01:17:44,411 --> 01:17:45,829
But not now.

1547
01:17:45,912 --> 01:17:48,623
I want you to stay focused on the victim.

1548
01:17:48,707 --> 01:17:51,126
Sacha, where did they
move Father Talbot?

1549
01:17:51,209 --> 01:17:53,253
If it's not wrong, Cheverus?

1550
01:17:53,628 --> 01:17:54,713
Cheverus, right.

1551
01:17:54,796 --> 01:17:57,341
Wait, Father Talbot
from Boston College High School?

1552
01:17:57,758 --> 01:17:59,468
Yes. Do you know him?

1553
01:17:59,634 --> 01:18:01,803
He is our teacher
when I was in school.

1554
01:18:02,429 --> 01:18:03,472
Is there a victim?

1555
01:18:03,555 --> 01:18:05,766
Yes, live in Providence.

1556
01:18:07,976 --> 01:18:09,435
Victim - Kevin Fusee?

1557
01:18:09,436 --> 01:18:12,356
There is nothing personal
in this document, Your Honor.

1558
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:13,774
They want to know
the way the Cardinal handles...

1559
01:18:13,899 --> 01:18:15,233
Replace with "Sufficiency."

1560
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:17,736
Sorry?

1561
01:18:17,819 --> 01:18:19,237
Don't call a Cardinal...

1562
01:18:19,321 --> 01:18:21,156
... in everything, Mr. Albano.

1563
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:22,908
Replace with "Diocese."

1564
01:18:23,575 --> 01:18:25,535
Judge Sweeney, The Globe
is not part of this case.

1565
01:18:25,619 --> 01:18:26,703
They only want to sell newspapers.

1566
01:18:26,787 --> 01:18:29,122
If it's Mr. Garabedian
doesn't tarnish...

1567
01:18:29,206 --> 01:18:30,499
... good name of Cardinal,...

1568
01:18:31,124 --> 01:18:32,584
... this trial will not be possible.

1569
01:18:32,667 --> 01:18:34,795
Your Honor, I object to
with the use of the word "smear."

1570
01:18:34,961 --> 01:18:36,505
Received, Mr. Garabedian.

1571
01:18:36,588 --> 01:18:37,748
Thank you, Your Honor.

1572
01:18:37,798 --> 01:18:38,798
There are more, Mr. Rogers?

1573
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:39,841
No, Your Honor.

1574
01:18:40,092 --> 01:18:42,135
Mr. Albano, please continue.

1575
01:18:42,302 --> 01:18:43,382
The Globe believes if...

1576
01:18:45,639 --> 01:18:47,724
Hey, Mitch, how are you?

1577
01:18:48,141 --> 01:18:49,142
Good.

1578
01:18:49,976 --> 01:18:52,312
He is quite hard. Wilson Rogers.

1579
01:18:52,771 --> 01:18:53,980
He is arrogant.

1580
01:18:54,481 --> 01:18:55,816
And careless.

1581
01:18:56,066 --> 01:18:57,651
He doesn't look careless.

1582
01:18:58,318 --> 01:19:00,070
You only know half.
Trust me.

1583
01:19:01,446 --> 01:19:03,156
What's the other half?

1584
01:19:05,325 --> 01:19:06,576
Tell me, Mitch.

1585
01:19:08,745 --> 01:19:10,747
Not to be reported? /
Good.

1586
01:19:14,334 --> 01:19:16,837
Three years ago, a former priest called me.

1587
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,171
Anthony Benzevich.

1588
01:19:18,338 --> 01:19:20,590
He served in the Blessed Sacrament Church in 1962,...

1589
01:19:20,757 --> 01:19:22,968
... and he saw Geoghan...

1590
01:19:24,136 --> 01:19:26,263
... bring a small child
to the pastor's room.

1591
01:19:26,346 --> 01:19:28,265
He was shocked.

1592
01:19:28,348 --> 01:19:29,474
He tells the Bishop.

1593
01:19:30,434 --> 01:19:32,269
The bishop threatens
will move it...

1594
01:19:32,686 --> 01:19:34,187
... to South America.

1595
01:19:34,271 --> 01:19:35,772
Gosh./
Alright.

1596
01:19:35,856 --> 01:19:37,274
35 years later,...

1597
01:19:37,357 --> 01:19:39,109
... Benzevich read Geoghan's case...

1598
01:19:39,234 --> 01:19:41,027
... on charges of
molesting hundreds of children.

1599
01:19:41,194 --> 01:19:43,447
He feels guilty.
Then call me.

1600
01:19:43,530 --> 01:19:45,699
So you have the testimony of a pastor...

1601
01:19:45,866 --> 01:19:48,034
... who told his boss
about Geoghan in 1962?

1602
01:19:48,702 --> 01:19:50,203
No.

1603
01:19:50,287 --> 01:19:52,873
Because when I asked
Benzevich came to testify,...

1604
01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:54,207
... he came
with a lawyer.

1605
01:19:55,041 --> 01:19:56,668
Wilson Rogers./
Right.

1606
01:19:57,127 --> 01:19:58,295
And suddenly
Pastor Benzevich...

1607
01:19:58,378 --> 01:19:59,629
... memory loss.

1608
01:19:59,838 --> 01:20:01,798
Don't remember anything.
Useless.

1609
01:20:01,965 --> 01:20:03,091
So I'm back to work...

1610
01:20:03,175 --> 01:20:04,509
... and forget about it.

1611
01:20:05,218 --> 01:20:07,053
Until a year ago, I found an article...

1612
01:20:07,137 --> 01:20:10,223
... about pastors who remind
Church officials about Geoghan.

1613
01:20:10,724 --> 01:20:12,559
Benzevich brought it to the media? /
Yes.

1614
01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:15,395
Local newspaper, Patriot Ledger.
No one is reading.

1615
01:20:15,562 --> 01:20:17,147
But now I have
Benzevich's testimony.

1616
01:20:17,314 --> 01:20:20,567
So I filed a motion for
to present Benzevich a second time.

1617
01:20:21,151 --> 01:20:22,861
Understand?
But Wilson Rogers,...

1618
01:20:22,944 --> 01:20:24,488
... arrogant person,...

1619
01:20:24,654 --> 01:20:27,240
... he filed a motion
against my voice.

1620
01:20:27,824 --> 01:20:29,201
That's when I excel from it.

1621
01:20:30,744 --> 01:20:31,912
How superior?

1622
01:20:32,329 --> 01:20:33,872
Rogers opposes my mood,...

1623
01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:35,332
... so I have to
make an argument...

1624
01:20:35,415 --> 01:20:36,458
... why am I entitled to call...

1625
01:20:36,541 --> 01:20:38,376
... Pastor Benzevich
for the second time.

1626
01:20:38,585 --> 01:20:41,254
But this time, I was allowed to attach evidence.

1627
01:20:41,838 --> 01:20:42,998
Understand what I mean?

1628
01:20:43,548 --> 01:20:44,758
Confidential documents? /
Yes.

1629
01:20:45,091 --> 01:20:47,093
I can attach
secret documents...

1630
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,262
... what I want so far,
Mr. Rezendes,...

1631
01:20:49,429 --> 01:20:52,349
... the same document as
is sued by your newspaper.

1632
01:20:53,266 --> 01:20:54,476
Are you kidding?

1633
01:20:54,559 --> 01:20:56,436
What?
I am not kidding.

1634
01:20:56,603 --> 01:20:59,439
So I pulled the
14 documents...

1635
01:20:59,523 --> 01:21:00,899
... and attach it to my icon.

1636
01:21:01,066 --> 01:21:02,734
The document proves everything.

1637
01:21:02,943 --> 01:21:05,445
Problem Church, Bishop, Law.

1638
01:21:05,612 --> 01:21:07,280
Everything is general?

1639
01:21:07,572 --> 01:21:10,033
Because of your mosquitoes that oppose
the motion is Rogers...

1640
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,202
... general. /
Right.

1641
01:21:12,285 --> 01:21:13,411
Now that you understand.

1642
01:21:13,578 --> 01:21:15,580
So I can go to court
just like that...

1643
01:21:15,747 --> 01:21:16,873
... and see the document?

1644
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,708
No.

1645
01:21:18,792 --> 01:21:20,293
Because the document is not there.

1646
01:21:20,961 --> 01:21:22,295
But you say
is general.

1647
01:21:22,379 --> 01:21:25,507
Indeed, but this is Boston,...

1648
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:29,094
... and the Church does not want
the document was found.

1649
01:21:29,427 --> 01:21:30,804
That's why it's not there.

1650
01:21:32,722 --> 01:21:35,141
Mitch, what do you mean
Catholic Church...

1651
01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:37,602
... confiscate legal documents from the court?

1652
01:21:38,144 --> 01:21:41,147
I'm not crazy,
but I'm not paranoid.

1653
01:21:41,314 --> 01:21:42,482
I'm experienced.

1654
01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:44,651
Check the minutes of the trial.
You will understand.

1655
01:21:45,735 --> 01:21:47,153
They control everything.

1656
01:21:50,073 --> 01:21:51,241
Everything.

1657
01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:54,953
I have to go back.

1658
01:21:58,665 --> 01:22:01,459
They take the document!

1659
01:22:15,765 --> 01:22:18,977
Minutes of trial number 49,
Geoghan case.

1660
01:22:19,144 --> 01:22:20,224
We close another 10 minutes.

1661
01:22:20,353 --> 01:22:22,022
10 minutes? OK.

1662
01:22:59,225 --> 01:23:00,977
Robby./
This is me.

1663
01:23:01,061 --> 01:23:02,437
Hey. /
You won't believe it.

1664
01:23:02,854 --> 01:23:06,358
Garabedian gives me information.
Some documents have been opened.

1665
01:23:06,524 --> 01:23:07,859
That is included in the motion.

1666
01:23:08,276 --> 01:23:09,819
He said the document
proved everything.

1667
01:23:09,944 --> 01:23:11,488
We don't need to wait
Sweeney's decision.

1668
01:23:11,571 --> 01:23:12,739
So we can see it?

1669
01:23:12,864 --> 01:23:13,990
Yes, but it's not here.

1670
01:23:14,324 --> 01:23:15,325
I've talked to Albano.

1671
01:23:15,408 --> 01:23:17,285
He said we just stayed
filed a motion...

1672
01:23:17,452 --> 01:23:19,829
... and Sweeney will order
Mitch to return the document.

1673
01:23:20,413 --> 01:23:21,956
And in your opinion this document...

1674
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,709
He said this was the 14 documents we were looking for. Lots of evidence.

1675
01:23:24,834 --> 01:23:29,005
Good. I'll call Ben.
Good work.

1676
01:23:45,397 --> 01:23:47,399
... is this an accident...

1677
01:23:47,482 --> 01:23:48,942
... or planned.

1678
01:23:49,025 --> 01:23:50,652
But anyway,
severe damage...

1679
01:23:50,735 --> 01:23:52,112
... has overwritten this building.

1680
01:23:54,489 --> 01:23:56,282
What happened?

1681
01:23:56,366 --> 01:23:58,284
They say it's a helicopter.

1682
01:23:58,368 --> 01:23:59,536
But that's not it.

1683
01:24:03,790 --> 01:24:06,459
Have Linda call
all reporters now.

1684
01:24:08,044 --> 01:24:09,804
Pray for the dead,...

1685
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:12,590
... pray for the wounded,...

1686
01:24:13,258 --> 01:24:15,760
... and pray for the survivors.

1687
01:24:16,928 --> 01:24:19,681
Pray also for this country.

1688
01:24:21,015 --> 01:24:27,063
Our reaction to this disaster will
reflect this nation's identity.

1689
01:24:28,314 --> 01:24:31,317
And moreover
reflects God's teachings.

1690
01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:35,864
Not only in
Christian or Jewish,...

1691
01:24:36,322 --> 01:24:38,283
... but also in Islam.

1692
01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:40,785
Not bad. Who is there? /
Paulson.

1693
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:42,620
I want to talk to him
when he returns.

1694
01:24:43,204 --> 01:24:45,004
Can Rezendes go to Florida?

1695
01:24:45,331 --> 01:24:46,875
The airport in Providence
has just opened again.

1696
01:24:46,958 --> 01:24:47,959
He is on the road.

1697
01:24:48,334 --> 01:24:50,378
Ben, I need extra people at the Massachusetts airport.

1698
01:24:50,462 --> 01:24:51,880
I'll give three people.

1699
01:24:51,963 --> 01:24:53,883
Robby, place your team too. /
Good.

1700
01:24:53,923 --> 01:24:55,216
And Robby,
stop the others first.

1701
01:24:55,341 --> 01:24:56,676
Understood.

1702
01:24:56,801 --> 01:24:58,178
Why Mike to Florida?

1703
01:24:58,261 --> 01:25:01,097
Flight school.
The learning place becomes a pilot.

1704
01:25:01,181 --> 01:25:03,975
Robby, I have an agenda
victim interview this week.

1705
01:25:04,058 --> 01:25:05,435
Cancel.

1706
01:25:05,518 --> 01:25:06,811
It must be difficult. /
I know.

1707
01:25:06,978 --> 01:25:08,938
This is crazy.
Two days ago I said my wife...

1708
01:25:09,105 --> 01:25:10,940
... we will cover
the biggest scandal in the world.

1709
01:25:11,024 --> 01:25:12,317
Boston Globe.

1710
01:25:12,484 --> 01:25:14,324
Boston Globe.
Please wait a moment.

1711
01:25:14,527 --> 01:25:16,808
If you have information, I will connect it to the Metro section.

1712
01:25:19,115 --> 01:25:20,200
Mitchell Garabedian.

1713
01:25:20,283 --> 01:25:21,659
Mitch, this is Mike,
I contacted you earlier.

1714
01:25:21,743 --> 01:25:23,453
I'm busy, Mr. Rezendes.

1715
01:25:23,536 --> 01:25:26,247
Just a moment.
Have you returned the document?

1716
01:25:26,331 --> 01:25:28,171
No, I just got the command.
Need time.

1717
01:25:28,333 --> 01:25:29,959
Good. Can you delay it?

1718
01:25:30,126 --> 01:25:31,461
Delay? /
I have to go to Florida.

1719
01:25:31,628 --> 01:25:33,046
Later the document will be general.

1720
01:25:33,213 --> 01:25:35,213
Other newspapers can read it.

1721
01:25:35,298 --> 01:25:39,135
Other newspapers are not my business.
This is a court order.

1722
01:25:39,344 --> 01:25:41,095
I told you
The church is watching over me.

1723
01:25:41,262 --> 01:25:43,765
Please, Mitch.
Just a few weeks.

1724
01:25:45,391 --> 01:25:47,227
I can't promise.
See you later.

1725
01:25:47,393 --> 01:25:49,854
Mitch? Mitch! Shit!

1726
01:25:51,773 --> 01:25:52,774
Damn.

1727
01:26:01,741 --> 01:26:03,785
I understand.
Nobody wants to read...

1728
01:26:03,868 --> 01:26:05,161
... about small children
who were raped by the priest.

1729
01:26:05,245 --> 01:26:06,329
Especially at this time.

1730
01:26:06,412 --> 01:26:07,932
But you have asked
many people remember...

1731
01:26:07,997 --> 01:26:09,332
... a very painful experience...

1732
01:26:09,415 --> 01:26:10,458
... then suddenly disappears.

1733
01:26:10,542 --> 01:26:12,168
Phil, you know
the reason we stopped.

1734
01:26:12,252 --> 01:26:14,045
It's been six weeks since the 9/11 tragedy.

1735
01:26:14,170 --> 01:26:16,381
I know and we
will cover it again.

1736
01:26:16,548 --> 01:26:17,549
When?

1737
01:26:19,217 --> 01:26:21,217
You are the same as before.

1738
01:26:21,261 --> 01:26:22,303
No./
You disappointed us.

1739
01:26:22,428 --> 01:26:24,514
No./
I'd better tell the Herald.

1740
01:26:25,849 --> 01:26:27,934
Please, Phil.

1741
01:26:28,685 --> 01:26:31,813
All our efforts are in vain.
But I can't stop you.

1742
01:26:34,023 --> 01:26:37,360
Listen.
I'm here because I care.

1743
01:26:39,445 --> 01:26:40,864
We don't run away.

1744
01:26:41,614 --> 01:26:43,774
We will report this case properly.

1745
01:26:43,908 --> 01:26:46,452
We only need a little time.
That's all we ask for.

1746
01:26:49,622 --> 01:26:51,207
Why ask?

1747
01:26:52,584 --> 01:26:54,419
You will still do what you want.

1748
01:26:55,587 --> 01:26:57,171
You always do that.

1749
01:26:57,881 --> 01:26:58,882
Phil.

1750
01:26:59,841 --> 01:27:00,842
Phil.

1751
01:27:06,890 --> 01:27:08,016
Hey.

1752
01:27:08,099 --> 01:27:09,475
How about South Beach?

1753
01:27:09,559 --> 01:27:12,312
Boynton Beach.
it's a different place.

1754
01:27:12,812 --> 01:27:13,897
What's wrong?

1755
01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:15,982
Mitch Garabedian called me earlier.

1756
01:27:16,274 --> 01:27:18,568
Why did he call you? /
Because he knows you will be angry.

1757
01:27:18,943 --> 01:27:20,278
He has returned the document.

1758
01:27:20,445 --> 01:27:21,446
What?

1759
01:27:21,946 --> 01:27:23,531
Robby, now the document is already general.

1760
01:27:23,615 --> 01:27:24,866
We must take it
before anyone else.

1761
01:27:24,949 --> 01:27:26,367
I know.

1762
01:27:26,451 --> 01:27:28,244
Quickly fix your task...

1763
01:27:28,328 --> 01:27:29,448
... and take the first flight.

1764
01:27:29,495 --> 01:27:31,623
I order the ticket now
and go straight to court tomorrow.

1765
01:27:31,706 --> 01:27:33,708
Good. Call me when I arrive./
Good.

1766
01:27:35,835 --> 01:27:38,838
Robby, I want to tell Phil Saviano
we have already covered this case.

1767
01:27:39,005 --> 01:27:40,590
Good.

1768
01:27:40,673 --> 01:27:42,300
Go to dinner with Hansi.

1769
01:27:42,383 --> 01:27:43,760
Maybe you won't have time again.

1770
01:27:44,385 --> 01:27:45,386
Good.

1771
01:27:49,724 --> 01:27:52,101
Robby, after we meet Macleish,...

1772
01:27:52,185 --> 01:27:53,705
... I start
look around the archives...

1773
01:27:54,062 --> 01:27:56,272
... and last week
I have a little time.

1774
01:27:56,356 --> 01:27:58,983
Then I found this.

1775
01:28:00,276 --> 01:28:02,028
From 1993.

1776
01:28:03,446 --> 01:28:07,073
Victim lawyer Porter said that
reported 20 other obscene priests in Boston.

1777
01:28:11,955 --> 01:28:12,997
Only this?

1778
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:17,502
Yes. Only this.

1779
01:28:20,004 --> 01:28:21,047
Good night.

1780
01:28:22,256 --> 01:28:24,092
Good.
Good night.

1781
01:29:03,464 --> 01:29:05,383
So our generation
is not too far away.

1782
01:29:05,550 --> 01:29:07,844
No, very far.

1783
01:29:07,927 --> 01:29:09,095
Trust me.

1784
01:29:09,971 --> 01:29:12,890
After graduating from high school,
I went to Providence...

1785
01:29:13,057 --> 01:29:14,475
... and become a player
Friars hockey team.

1786
01:29:15,101 --> 01:29:17,478
You must be great.

1787
01:29:17,645 --> 01:29:19,981
No. True reserve.

1788
01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:21,607
But I love this city.

1789
01:29:22,025 --> 01:29:23,818
And our third child is just born.

1790
01:29:24,444 --> 01:29:26,112
I still bought a Globe,
by the way.

1791
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:28,781
Nice to hear it.

1792
01:29:29,657 --> 01:29:33,661
Kevin, that's my reason here.

1793
01:29:35,204 --> 01:29:39,459
I want to ask
about Father Talbot.

1794
01:29:46,674 --> 01:29:48,092
How do you know?

1795
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:50,803
Well...

1796
01:29:51,721 --> 01:29:53,556
I don't think it's important.

1797
01:29:58,978 --> 01:30:01,981
My wife doesn't even know yet.

1798
01:30:03,149 --> 01:30:04,817
Excuse me.

1799
01:30:10,114 --> 01:30:12,194
Hey, hey, hey!
I want to enter.

1800
01:30:12,241 --> 01:30:13,743
It's closed. /
Let me enter. Five minutes.

1801
01:30:13,826 --> 01:30:15,161
Sorry, it's closed.

1802
01:30:15,286 --> 01:30:16,579
Come on. Five minutes.

1803
01:30:25,254 --> 01:30:26,255
Hello.

1804
01:30:31,886 --> 01:30:33,346
This.

1805
01:30:36,557 --> 01:30:38,351
This is Geoghan's case? /
Right.

1806
01:30:39,185 --> 01:30:40,770
That's a secret document. /
No.

1807
01:30:40,937 --> 01:30:43,564
That's a public motion.
The documents are also public.

1808
01:30:43,648 --> 01:30:44,857
I work at the Globe.

1809
01:30:45,858 --> 01:30:46,943
Good then.

1810
01:30:49,028 --> 01:30:50,404
Can you talk to your boss?

1811
01:30:50,530 --> 01:30:51,948
He doesn't enter.

1812
01:30:52,448 --> 01:30:53,658
What about the judge?

1813
01:30:53,741 --> 01:30:56,035
There must be a judge
who handles this problem.

1814
01:30:56,536 --> 01:30:57,912
Sixth floor.

1815
01:31:05,294 --> 01:31:07,894
We understand the accusation
against Father Talbot.

1816
01:31:08,381 --> 01:31:11,467
But I don't understand what you want from President Kemeza.

1817
01:31:12,218 --> 01:31:14,220
Talbot teaches here
before Bill becomes President.

1818
01:31:14,387 --> 01:31:16,848
Sure.
We just want to know...

1819
01:31:16,931 --> 01:31:18,724
... is it possible the President,...

1820
01:31:18,891 --> 01:31:20,226
... school, council,...

1821
01:31:20,309 --> 01:31:22,109
... everyone doesn't know what happened at that time.

1822
01:31:22,145 --> 01:31:26,482
I graduated in 1979,
but I don't know about this.

1823
01:31:26,899 --> 01:31:29,068
What do you mean Pastor Gibbons
and Pastor Callahan...

1824
01:31:29,152 --> 01:31:30,319
... hide...

1825
01:31:30,403 --> 01:31:32,280
Gibbons and Callahan,...

1826
01:31:32,363 --> 01:31:34,240
... they are very disciplined.

1827
01:31:34,991 --> 01:31:36,431
Do you think they don't know?

1828
01:31:37,493 --> 01:31:39,495
This is a big school, Robby.
You know that.

1829
01:31:40,246 --> 01:31:42,915
And we're talking about
seven alleged victims...

1830
01:31:43,082 --> 01:31:44,417
... for eight years.

1831
01:31:44,584 --> 01:31:47,753
We talk about the seven victims we know.

1832
01:31:48,045 --> 01:31:49,755
This is crazy.

1833
01:31:50,381 --> 01:31:52,541
You are looking for news.
We can't...

1834
01:31:52,592 --> 01:31:55,511
Jack. Jack. Jack.
I used to be the president,...

1835
01:31:55,595 --> 01:31:56,762
... I certainly know.

1836
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:59,265
Bill, that has nothing to do.

1837
01:31:59,432 --> 01:32:02,101
Why did they move Talbot to Cheverus?

1838
01:32:02,935 --> 01:32:04,937
They want him to move from here.

1839
01:32:06,272 --> 01:32:10,026
Robby, according to Bill's words,...

1840
01:32:10,109 --> 01:32:11,819
... I hope we can
keep this conversation...

1841
01:32:11,944 --> 01:32:13,696
... until we agree.

1842
01:32:17,408 --> 01:32:19,288
Is that the reason for this meeting?
So that we agree?

1843
01:32:19,911 --> 01:32:21,954
No, we are here because
you are an important alumni, Robby,...

1844
01:32:22,038 --> 01:32:23,206
... and also our friend.

1845
01:32:23,289 --> 01:32:26,667
Right. And we understand
you love this school.

1846
01:32:28,961 --> 01:32:30,463
You joined the sports team here, Jack?

1847
01:32:31,088 --> 01:32:32,798
Yes. Soccer. Why?

1848
01:32:33,257 --> 01:32:34,967
I joined athletics.

1849
01:32:35,051 --> 01:32:37,220
Yesterday I went to Providence...

1850
01:32:37,345 --> 01:32:39,472
... meet one of the victims of Father Talbot.

1851
01:32:39,555 --> 01:32:40,973
He's a school hockey player.

1852
01:32:41,432 --> 01:32:43,392
He's one of the lucky victims.

1853
01:32:43,476 --> 01:32:46,437
He has a wife,
children, good job.

1854
01:32:48,481 --> 01:32:51,984
After 10 minutes we talk,...

1855
01:32:52,068 --> 01:32:53,319
... he cried.

1856
01:32:53,903 --> 01:32:55,655
He continues to cry.

1857
01:32:57,281 --> 01:33:00,493
He said he was still confused
why Father Talbot chose him.

1858
01:33:02,828 --> 01:33:05,331
Pastor Talbot trains the hockey team.

1859
01:33:07,416 --> 01:33:08,668
So...

1860
01:33:10,044 --> 01:33:11,462
... I think we are just lucky.

1861
01:33:12,755 --> 01:33:14,507
You and me.

1862
01:33:20,596 --> 01:33:22,265
Does Jack Dunn work at school?

1863
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:24,100
No. He is public relations at Boston College.

1864
01:33:24,308 --> 01:33:26,018
They call it
if they need help.

1865
01:33:26,185 --> 01:33:28,104
Then Pete Conley?
Why is he there?

1866
01:33:28,271 --> 01:33:29,272
Good question.

1867
01:33:29,355 --> 01:33:31,315
Pete alumni is important,
but I called Bill...

1868
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:33,067
... and ask for a meeting.

1869
01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:34,944
I never
mention other people.

1870
01:33:36,445 --> 01:33:38,364
As if everyone
already knew the case.

1871
01:33:38,531 --> 01:33:39,740
Yes.

1872
01:33:39,824 --> 01:33:42,118
Except us.
And we work opposite.

1873
01:33:45,955 --> 01:33:47,373
Judge Volterra? /
Yes.

1874
01:33:47,540 --> 01:33:49,709
I'm Mike Rezendes
from The Boston Globe.

1875
01:33:50,209 --> 01:33:51,419
I'm having a hard time...

1876
01:33:51,502 --> 01:33:52,628
... accessing public documents...

1877
01:33:52,795 --> 01:33:53,879
... in the archive room.

1878
01:33:53,963 --> 01:33:56,215
May I speak
with you?

1879
01:33:56,299 --> 01:33:58,217
Good./
Thank you.

1880
01:34:00,594 --> 01:34:01,595
Thank you very much.

1881
01:34:03,222 --> 01:34:06,559
Evidence you want, Mr. Rezendes,...

1882
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,061
... very sensitive.

1883
01:34:09,895 --> 01:34:11,230
With all due respect, Your Honor,...

1884
01:34:11,314 --> 01:34:13,232
... that's not the problem.

1885
01:34:13,316 --> 01:34:14,567
The document is general.

1886
01:34:15,901 --> 01:34:18,070
Maybe, but say,...

1887
01:34:18,487 --> 01:34:20,406
... where is the editorial responsibility...

1888
01:34:20,531 --> 01:34:22,408
... in publishing documents like this?

1889
01:34:22,742 --> 01:34:26,871
Where is the editorial responsibility
if you don't publish it?

1890
01:34:36,881 --> 01:34:39,342
You can't take it.
You have to copy it.

1891
01:34:39,425 --> 01:34:40,801
I want to go to the photocopy room.

1892
01:34:40,885 --> 01:34:42,720
They close at 4.

1893
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,976
I will give you...

1894
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:52,730
83 dollars to borrow your photocopy machine.

1895
01:34:58,819 --> 01:35:01,322
Taxi!

1896
01:35:01,405 --> 01:35:04,408
Hey! Hey!

1897
01:35:07,036 --> 01:35:09,830
To the Boston Globe
office on Morrissey Boulevard.

1898
01:35:09,914 --> 01:35:13,000
Don't pass 93,
but pass Dorchester Avenue.

1899
01:35:14,752 --> 01:35:16,629
Robby, amazing!

1900
01:35:16,837 --> 01:35:19,673
Law knows about Geoghan before.

1901
01:35:19,757 --> 01:35:22,676
There is a letter for Law from
a woman, Margaret Gallant,...

1902
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,805
... lived in Jamaica Plain early in the 1980s when Geoghan served there.

1903
01:35:25,888 --> 01:35:27,223
Listen.

1904
01:35:27,306 --> 01:35:29,558
"Our family
obedient people,...

1905
01:35:29,642 --> 01:35:32,103
"... our longing is
protecting the Sacrament of the Priesthood,...

1906
01:35:32,728 --> 01:35:34,647
"... even when the middle
face a struggle...

1907
01:35:34,814 --> 01:35:36,774
"... when seven boys
in our family...

1908
01:35:36,857 --> 01:35:37,942
... been raped. "

1909
01:35:38,025 --> 01:35:40,319
Seven, Robby.
Seven boys.

1910
01:35:40,986 --> 01:35:43,239
" We are advised to be silent. "

1911
01:35:43,739 --> 01:35:46,784
" We did not question
Church authorities two years ago,...

1912
01:35:46,867 --> 01:35:49,829
"... but because Pastor Geoghan
is still serving in this parish...

1913
01:35:49,912 --> 01:35:53,499
He sends it to Law,
but Law is just silent.

1914
01:35:53,916 --> 01:35:56,669
There is one more, same year.

1915
01:35:57,420 --> 01:35:59,755
" A response related
Pastor Geoghan's new assignment...

1916
01:35:59,839 --> 01:36:02,883
... as an assistant priest
in the church of St. Julia & apos in Weston. "

1917
01:36:02,967 --> 01:36:07,263
" Father Geoghan has a record of
cases of abuse with a boy. "

1918
01:36:07,346 --> 01:36:09,682
" I understand the reason he was transferred from St. Brendan & apos; s...

1919
01:36:09,765 --> 01:36:11,559
... may be related to
with this problem. "

1920
01:36:11,642 --> 01:36:14,728
" I hope Pastor Geoghan
is not assigned...

1921
01:36:14,812 --> 01:36:17,022
... while receiving treatment. "

1922
01:36:17,106 --> 01:36:19,608
" I am grateful if
you are considering this suggestion. "

1923
01:36:19,775 --> 01:36:21,569
" With respect, greetings,...

1924
01:36:21,652 --> 01:36:25,114
... Pastor John M. Darcy,
Boston Assistant Bishop. "

1925
01:36:25,197 --> 01:36:26,740
" December 7, 1984. "

1926
01:36:26,824 --> 01:36:28,534
The Auxiliary Bishop writes that?

1927
01:36:28,701 --> 01:36:30,077
Extraordinary.

1928
01:36:30,286 --> 01:36:31,328
He dares to speak.

1929
01:36:31,412 --> 01:36:33,205
= = When did Gallant write the letter?

1930
01:36:33,289 --> 01:36:35,249
1984./
And Law ignored it.

1931
01:36:35,916 --> 01:36:37,585
How can he ignore it?

1932
01:36:37,835 --> 01:36:39,170
We have the proof.

1933
01:36:39,378 --> 01:36:42,047
You can't think of anything else.
This is proof.

1934
01:36:42,131 --> 01:36:43,883
Yes. Correct.

1935
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,302
Good work.

1936
01:36:46,886 --> 01:36:48,471
We take it to Ben?

1937
01:36:50,264 --> 01:36:51,932
Don't first.

1938
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,686
Why?
We can Law. This is the proof.

1939
01:36:56,228 --> 01:36:57,980
That only proves that
Law protects a pastor.

1940
01:36:58,063 --> 01:36:59,356
There are still 90 more.

1941
01:36:59,690 --> 01:37:01,442
Right. We preach
after getting it...

1942
01:37:01,525 --> 01:37:02,725
... but we must
print this now.

1943
01:37:03,152 --> 01:37:04,987
I don't want to hurry, Mike.

1944
01:37:05,070 --> 01:37:06,322
There is no other choice, Robby.

1945
01:37:06,655 --> 01:37:08,073
If we don't print it now,...

1946
01:37:08,157 --> 01:37:10,743
... other newspapers will find
this letter and print it.

1947
01:37:10,826 --> 01:37:12,119
Joe Quimby from Herald...

1948
01:37:12,203 --> 01:37:13,746
... is in court.

1949
01:37:13,996 --> 01:37:15,581
We hold this news...

1950
01:37:15,664 --> 01:37:16,874
... and watching the Herald.

1951
01:37:16,957 --> 01:37:18,042
Keep an eye on the Herald?

1952
01:37:18,125 --> 01:37:20,836
If they misrepresent,
The church will silence it.

1953
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:22,880
We have to print now. /
Mike, Mike.

1954
01:37:22,963 --> 01:37:25,382
What?
Why are we still in doubt?

1955
01:37:25,466 --> 01:37:27,676
Baron says chase Law.
This is the proof.

1956
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,637
Baron says chase the system.

1957
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,305
We need the whole.

1958
01:37:31,388 --> 01:37:33,516
That's the only way
end this case.

1959
01:37:33,641 --> 01:37:35,401
Take it to Ben,
let him decide.

1960
01:37:35,601 --> 01:37:37,353
We take it to Ben
after it's time.

1961
01:37:37,436 --> 01:37:39,980
It's time, Robby!
This time!

1962
01:37:41,273 --> 01:37:44,860
They know and leave it!
In children!

1963
01:37:45,611 --> 01:37:48,113
Understand? Can be you!
Can be me!

1964
01:37:48,197 --> 01:37:50,241
Can be all of us!

1965
01:37:51,033 --> 01:37:52,618
We must drop them!

1966
01:37:52,701 --> 01:37:55,829
We have to show that
_ nobody can dodge!

1967
01:37:55,913 --> 01:37:59,250
No pastor, cardinal or pope!

1968
01:38:02,044 --> 01:38:03,087
It's finished?

1969
01:38:04,046 --> 01:38:06,882
Already. This is crazy.

1970
01:38:36,662 --> 01:38:37,663
Are you okay?

1971
01:38:48,257 --> 01:38:49,300
Hey, Hansi.

1972
01:38:50,134 --> 01:38:52,052
Heavy day in the office, Mike?

1973
01:38:56,599 --> 01:38:58,183
This ./
Thank you.

1974
01:38:59,059 --> 01:39:01,604
I don't know
why I'm so angry.

1975
01:39:01,687 --> 01:39:03,105
I think Robby is wrong.

1976
01:39:03,188 --> 01:39:05,190
You just...

1977
01:39:05,274 --> 01:39:06,942
You care about the case, Mike.
We all care.

1978
01:39:08,986 --> 01:39:11,196
I think so.

1979
01:39:13,824 --> 01:39:15,909
I've stopped entering
church with my grandmother.

1980
01:39:17,995 --> 01:39:19,580
It feels very difficult.

1981
01:39:20,414 --> 01:39:22,374
I sit in church...

1982
01:39:22,541 --> 01:39:24,501
... then imagine Joe Crowley...

1983
01:39:24,585 --> 01:39:26,211
... or other victims and I...

1984
01:39:27,046 --> 01:39:28,255
I'm very angry.

1985
01:39:29,632 --> 01:39:31,550
Do you say the reason?

1986
01:39:32,968 --> 01:39:35,054
He entered church
three times a week, Mike.

1987
01:39:40,184 --> 01:39:42,186
I'm really upset.

1988
01:39:43,604 --> 01:39:44,605
You know,...

1989
01:39:46,565 --> 01:39:49,818
... I like going to church
when I was little.

1990
01:39:51,945 --> 01:39:53,280
Why stop?

1991
01:39:53,447 --> 01:39:54,782
The same reason.

1992
01:39:56,492 --> 01:39:58,619
But strangely...

1993
01:40:01,664 --> 01:40:03,248
... I think I'm,

1994
01:40:04,208 --> 01:40:08,587


1995
01:40:08,671 --> 01:40:10,714
... I feel maybe one day...

1996
01:40:12,675 --> 01:40:14,927
... I'll go to church again.

1997
01:40:17,429 --> 01:40:20,265
I really hope.

1998
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:24,603
Then I read the letter and...

1999
01:40:26,188 --> 01:40:28,357
... I was destroyed.

2000
01:40:29,775 --> 01:40:31,985
Painful feelings. /
Yes.

2001
01:40:35,447 --> 01:40:37,116
Surely your day is heavy.

2002
01:40:37,241 --> 01:40:39,535
Hey, Pete./
Sorry to wait.

2003
01:40:39,618 --> 01:40:40,994
Brian.

2004
01:40:42,162 --> 01:40:44,498
Who has ever refused to drink with you, Pete?

2005
01:40:45,958 --> 01:40:49,461
Right.
But the key keeps asking.

2006
01:40:49,712 --> 01:40:50,796
For Boston.

2007
01:40:50,921 --> 01:40:51,964
Boston.

2008
01:40:54,883 --> 01:40:57,886
Are you here representing the Cardinal?

2009
01:40:58,220 --> 01:41:00,514
No, no.
I'm not...

2010
01:41:00,597 --> 01:41:03,183
I dare not speak
represent Cardinal.

2011
01:41:04,977 --> 01:41:06,395
Listen.

2012
01:41:06,478 --> 01:41:08,564
Many Boston residents
respect you, Robby,...

2013
01:41:08,731 --> 01:41:10,524
... because of your work.

2014
01:41:11,316 --> 01:41:12,735
Nice to hear it.

2015
01:41:12,818 --> 01:41:14,570
That's because you
love this city.

2016
01:41:14,653 --> 01:41:16,655
That's the reason you work.
That is your identity.

2017
01:41:17,865 --> 01:41:21,243
But they need the Church...

2018
01:41:21,326 --> 01:41:22,536
... more than now.

2019
01:41:23,370 --> 01:41:24,997
You can feel it.

2020
01:41:25,581 --> 01:41:27,249
And Cardinals...

2021
01:41:28,667 --> 01:41:31,170
Maybe he's not perfect,...

2022
01:41:32,212 --> 01:41:33,630
... but we can't
forget their kindness...

2023
01:41:33,714 --> 01:41:35,340
... only because of a handful of rotten apples.

2024
01:41:37,426 --> 01:41:39,094
I told you this...

2025
01:41:39,261 --> 01:41:42,890
... because I know
this is Baron's idea.

2026
01:41:43,265 --> 01:41:44,933
Oath for God,...

2027
01:41:45,017 --> 01:41:47,770
... he doesn't care about this city.

2028
01:41:48,437 --> 01:41:49,605
I mean, how can it be?

2029
01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:59,573
So this is what happened.
What?

2030
01:42:00,032 --> 01:42:01,575
If working for foreigners...

2031
01:42:01,742 --> 01:42:03,702
... then all cities immediately...

2032
01:42:03,786 --> 01:42:05,370
... ignore it.

2033
01:42:07,039 --> 01:42:10,125
Robby. Robby, listen.

2034
01:42:11,543 --> 01:42:14,588
Marty Baron only cares about his good name.

2035
01:42:14,671 --> 01:42:17,299
He stayed here for
a few years ago left.

2036
01:42:17,382 --> 01:42:19,760
Like he did
in New York and Miami.

2037
01:42:21,804 --> 01:42:23,639
But where did you go?

2038
01:42:28,602 --> 01:42:30,729
Good night, Robby.
Brian.

2039
01:42:32,064 --> 01:42:34,566
Hey, Pete./
Yes?

2040
01:42:36,693 --> 01:42:40,989
After this news is printed,
we need a Cardinal response.

2041
01:42:43,283 --> 01:42:45,744
We will discuss later.
Good night, Robby.

2042
01:42:45,911 --> 01:42:47,496
Good night, Pete.

2043
01:42:57,798 --> 01:42:59,049
Robby.

2044
01:43:00,592 --> 01:43:01,593
What?

2045
01:43:02,594 --> 01:43:04,680
Seriously? When?

2046
01:43:06,682 --> 01:43:08,684
Good. Yes.

2047
01:43:11,728 --> 01:43:12,938
Hey!

2048
01:43:13,939 --> 01:43:15,274
What's wrong?

2049
01:43:16,441 --> 01:43:18,235
Sweeney accepts our lawsuit.

2050
01:43:18,735 --> 01:43:20,737
He ordered that the document be opened to the public.

2051
01:43:22,489 --> 01:43:23,490
Wow!

2052
01:43:27,452 --> 01:43:28,972
The church has appealed,...

2053
01:43:29,121 --> 01:43:32,124
... but the
court decision in this matter is permanent.

2054
01:43:32,791 --> 01:43:34,668
When can we get the document?

2055
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:37,921
Cohen takes several weeks
to authorize it,...

2056
01:43:38,005 --> 01:43:39,381
... plus the editorial process.

2057
01:43:40,132 --> 01:43:43,385
Maybe mid-January.

2058
01:43:44,094 --> 01:43:45,304
Good./
Good.

2059
01:43:45,387 --> 01:43:46,471
Thank you, Jon. /
You're welcome.

2060
01:43:46,555 --> 01:43:47,764
Good work. /
Thank you.

2061
01:43:48,432 --> 01:43:50,100
Metro needs news, Marty.

2062
01:43:50,559 --> 01:43:51,894
We can't preach it.

2063
01:43:52,686 --> 01:43:55,480
Why not?
This is the First Amendment's big victory.

2064
01:43:55,647 --> 01:43:56,732
Not to mention...

2065
01:43:56,815 --> 01:43:57,900
... judge of Irish Catholic descent...

2066
01:43:58,066 --> 01:43:59,276
... make decisions against the Church.

2067
01:43:59,443 --> 01:44:01,403
Everything is first.

2068
01:44:02,029 --> 01:44:04,072
I don't want
Herald covering it.

2069
01:44:04,907 --> 01:44:05,908
Why?

2070
01:44:08,076 --> 01:44:10,203
Exit first, Peter.

2071
01:44:10,287 --> 01:44:11,788
I will not leave.

2072
01:44:20,213 --> 01:44:21,214
Peter.

2073
01:44:35,812 --> 01:44:37,773
When did you... /
A few weeks ago.

2074
01:44:37,981 --> 01:44:39,483
A few weeks ago?

2075
01:44:39,650 --> 01:44:41,234
Yes. /
Did you just say now?

2076
01:44:41,401 --> 01:44:42,986
This is very important.

2077
01:44:44,112 --> 01:44:46,365
This proves Law ignores it.

2078
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:49,618
I still need time.
I still want to investigate.

2079
01:44:49,993 --> 01:44:51,411
What for?
We have got the proof.

2080
01:44:51,578 --> 01:44:52,663
Not all.

2081
01:44:52,829 --> 01:44:54,498
That's right.
We are running out of time.

2082
01:44:54,831 --> 01:44:55,999
Even if the Sweeney
verdict is not printed,...

2083
01:44:56,166 --> 01:44:58,293
... other newspapers will see the letter
and print it.

2084
01:44:58,377 --> 01:44:59,461
Right.

2085
01:44:59,544 --> 01:45:00,671
But if we
report this letter,...

2086
01:45:00,754 --> 01:45:02,965
... Law will apologize
and say he was negligent.

2087
01:45:03,048 --> 01:45:04,049
He can be free.

2088
01:45:04,257 --> 01:45:07,052
Why? This letter clearly states
he knows and leaves it.

2089
01:45:07,135 --> 01:45:10,222
70 priests I almost got.

2090
01:45:10,889 --> 01:45:13,475
We preach it
along with the letters,...

2091
01:45:13,642 --> 01:45:16,395
... we don't just get Law.

2092
01:45:17,104 --> 01:45:18,563
But the whole system.

2093
01:45:19,523 --> 01:45:22,025
How many sources do you confirm the priests?

2094
01:45:22,859 --> 01:45:24,528
Pretty much.
I can look for it again.

2095
01:45:24,736 --> 01:45:27,572
Too risky. If we
can't prove everything,...

2096
01:45:27,739 --> 01:45:29,241
... The church will fight us.

2097
01:45:31,118 --> 01:45:32,160
I have a source...

2098
01:45:32,244 --> 01:45:33,524
... from their side.

2099
01:45:33,996 --> 01:45:35,580
People in the Church?

2100
01:45:36,498 --> 01:45:37,666
Yes, lawyer.

2101
01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:39,543
Will the name be included?

2102
01:45:39,626 --> 01:45:42,587
Anonymous source. But it's trusted.

2103
01:45:46,383 --> 01:45:48,301
Rezendes takes
to write the article.

2104
01:45:48,927 --> 01:45:51,430
Don't print at Christmas,
especially after the 9/11 tragedy.

2105
01:45:52,806 --> 01:45:54,516
We can print it
after the new year,...

2106
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:57,310
... before the court opens the document.

2107
01:46:01,023 --> 01:46:02,024
Good.

2108
01:46:03,191 --> 01:46:05,694
Say Canellos,
Metro don't print Sweeney's decision.

2109
01:46:07,571 --> 01:46:08,989
You have six weeks.

2110
01:46:09,823 --> 01:46:11,408
Thank you.

2111
01:46:11,783 --> 01:46:13,785
Tell Mike I need the script at Christmas.

2112
01:46:14,369 --> 01:46:16,038
Request a response from the Diocese as well.

2113
01:46:16,204 --> 01:46:18,415
Who is the Cardinal publicist?
Still John Walsh?

2114
01:46:18,582 --> 01:46:20,125
No. New person.
Donna Morrisey.

2115
01:46:20,208 --> 01:46:21,877
TV people. Young.

2116
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,045
Good, ask for a response.

2117
01:46:23,128 --> 01:46:24,755
We need a Law
response to appear balanced.

2118
01:46:24,921 --> 01:46:27,132
Robby, tell me next time
if there is something.

2119
01:46:27,299 --> 01:46:28,508
Definitely.

2120
01:46:29,593 --> 01:46:35,474
♪ A holy night, silent ♪

2121
01:46:37,392 --> 01:46:40,270
World ♪ ♪

2122
01:46:41,354 --> 01:46:43,482
♪ Asleep ♪

2123
01:46:45,358 --> 01:46:51,907
♪ Only two vigils continue ♪

2124
01:46:53,408 --> 01:47:00,373
♪ A loving and holy mother father ♪

2125
01:47:01,208 --> 01:47:06,421
♪ Children sleep quiet ♪

2126
01:47:08,590 --> 01:47:13,386
♪ Children sleep quiet ♪

2127
01:47:15,597 --> 01:47:21,853
♪ A holy night, silent ♪

2128
01:47:23,563 --> 01:47:26,858
♪ Good news ♪

2129
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:30,737
♪ Hankering ♪

2130
01:47:31,363 --> 01:47:37,035
♪ The heaven is singing it ♪

2131
01:47:39,746 --> 01:47:45,085
♪ The shepherds watch it ♪

2132
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,844
Robby.
A surprise.

2133
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:56,221
Enter it.

2134
01:48:02,727 --> 01:48:05,397
Honey, see who is coming.

2135
01:48:08,567 --> 01:48:09,818
Karen, can we leave us for a moment?

2136
01:48:12,154 --> 01:48:13,238
Sure.

2137
01:48:13,864 --> 01:48:14,990
Nice to meet, Karen.

2138
01:48:18,076 --> 01:48:19,077
What's wrong?

2139
01:48:34,593 --> 01:48:36,219
I'm running out of time, Jim.

2140
01:48:37,429 --> 01:48:40,223
We have got
proof of 70 pastors,...

2141
01:48:40,682 --> 01:48:42,684
... but our boss
doesn't want to print it...

2142
01:48:42,809 --> 01:48:44,853
... before confirmation
from the Church.

2143
01:48:47,063 --> 01:48:48,857
Are you crazy?

2144
01:48:49,024 --> 01:48:51,276
Come on.
This is our city, Jimmy.

2145
01:48:51,693 --> 01:48:55,447
Everyone knows what happened,
but did nothing.

2146
01:48:56,698 --> 01:48:57,738
We must end it.

2147
01:48:58,116 --> 01:49:00,118
Don't teach me
what should I do.

2148
01:49:00,785 --> 01:49:03,622
I did help this bastard,
but that's my job, Robby.

2149
01:49:03,872 --> 01:49:05,957
I do my work!

2150
01:49:07,125 --> 01:49:08,126
Yes.

2151
01:49:09,461 --> 01:49:10,921
You and others.

2152
01:49:19,804 --> 01:49:21,306
Get out of my house.

2153
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,401
Hey!

2154
01:49:35,487 --> 01:49:37,906
You come to my house
and accuse me of conspiring?

2155
01:49:39,157 --> 01:49:40,492
You're right, Robby.

2156
01:49:41,326 --> 01:49:43,453
We all know what happens.

2157
01:49:44,162 --> 01:49:45,622
Where have you been?

2158
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:48,333
Why is it so long?

2159
01:49:54,839 --> 01:49:56,675
I don't know, Jim.

2160
01:50:01,554 --> 01:50:02,722
Give a list.

2161
01:50:59,487 --> 01:51:01,197
Larry, we will print it in six hours.

2162
01:51:01,281 --> 01:51:02,324
Donna Morrisey said
she called us...

2163
01:51:02,407 --> 01:51:03,647
... along with Law responses
a few hours ago.

2164
01:51:03,700 --> 01:51:05,702
As expected ./
When did you talk to him?

2165
01:51:06,202 --> 01:51:07,537
Good, Larry.

2166
01:51:08,204 --> 01:51:09,956
Yes. Glad to hear.

2167
01:51:10,582 --> 01:51:12,334
Thank you, Pete.


2168
01:51:12,917 --> 01:51:15,757
Conley said Donna had called.
He just left the diocese.

2169
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,839
Yes, Rasky also said that.

2170
01:51:17,922 --> 01:51:19,924
This is crazy. We think they will argue it.

2171
01:51:20,008 --> 01:51:21,634
They are stupid
if not so.

2172
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:25,388
I want to see their faces
when reading this news.

2173
01:51:25,555 --> 01:51:27,557
Next week is
God-Sighting Day.

2174
01:51:28,224 --> 01:51:30,435
It looks like the right time.

2175
01:51:35,857 --> 01:51:36,858
Mike Rezendes.

2176
01:51:38,818 --> 01:51:41,237
Hey, Donna.
Thank you for calling.

2177
01:51:41,321 --> 01:51:44,282
I want to ask something
if you have time.

2178
01:51:46,201 --> 01:51:47,202
What?

2179
01:51:48,828 --> 01:51:50,997
What? /
Adjectives again.

2180
01:51:52,832 --> 01:51:54,793
How? /
Law refuses.

2181
01:51:54,959 --> 01:51:56,294
Yes, God.

2182
01:51:56,461 --> 01:51:58,004
Donna Morrisey
just called me.

2183
01:51:58,088 --> 01:52:00,423
He said,
"We don't even want to know...

2184
01:52:00,507 --> 01:52:01,827
... what's the question."

2185
01:52:01,966 --> 01:52:03,885
He said that? /
Yes.

2186
01:52:04,135 --> 01:52:05,136
Good then.

2187
01:52:05,303 --> 01:52:06,679
"The church is not willing...

2188
01:52:06,846 --> 01:52:09,849
"... knowing what you want
Globe to ask."

2189
01:52:11,184 --> 01:52:13,520
Include this in the article. /
Are there more?

2190
01:52:13,978 --> 01:52:15,730
Matt wants to put
letters on the internet...

2191
01:52:15,814 --> 01:52:17,315
... so that
readers can see directly.

2192
01:52:17,774 --> 01:52:19,776
We can put the site address
below the article.

2193
01:52:19,943 --> 01:52:21,736
That's very easy. /
Good.

2194
01:52:21,903 --> 01:52:23,988
We also include
Spotlight phone numbers...

2195
01:52:24,155 --> 01:52:25,365
... so people can call.

2196
01:52:25,448 --> 01:52:26,741
Directly to our office.

2197
01:52:26,991 --> 01:52:29,160
Matt and I can come in the morning
to answer the phone.

2198
01:52:29,327 --> 01:52:31,487
I'm more worried about
the phone at the reception.

2199
01:52:31,579 --> 01:52:32,747
After we
print the Porter case...

2200
01:52:32,831 --> 01:52:34,666
... the information center receives
many phone calls.

2201
01:52:34,833 --> 01:52:36,673
Big problems. /
There are demonstrators too.

2202
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,044
Lots.

2203
01:52:38,128 --> 01:52:40,547
I will talk to Richard
about the security and the phone.

2204
01:52:40,797 --> 01:52:43,216
What about the news
?

2205
01:52:44,175 --> 01:52:45,593
We have got evidence...

2206
01:52:45,677 --> 01:52:46,678
... about 70 pastors.

2207
01:52:47,887 --> 01:52:49,180
Everything? /
Yes.

2208
01:52:49,597 --> 01:52:52,157
With confirmation from Robby's source, we are ready to print.

2209
01:52:52,308 --> 01:52:53,468
The script can be completed next week.

2210
01:52:53,518 --> 01:52:56,104
Robby. Your source,...

2211
01:52:56,187 --> 01:52:57,467
... can you ask for your opinion again?

2212
01:52:59,983 --> 01:53:01,151
Maybe it's difficult.

2213
01:53:01,234 --> 01:53:02,794
But he doesn't mind
helping the Church...

2214
01:53:02,902 --> 01:53:04,446
... protect rotten pastors.

2215
01:53:04,612 --> 01:53:07,240
He's a jerk. /
He's a lawyer. That's the job.

2216
01:53:07,407 --> 01:53:08,533
He is a stooge of the Church.

2217
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:09,826
He knows and is silent.

2218
01:53:09,993 --> 01:53:12,328
He can say from the past.
Maybe someone can be saved.

2219
01:53:12,412 --> 01:53:13,663
What about us?

2220
01:53:15,123 --> 01:53:16,291
What do you mean?

2221
01:53:16,666 --> 01:53:18,793
We have all the information.

2222
01:53:18,877 --> 01:53:19,997
Why don't we print first?

2223
01:53:20,295 --> 01:53:21,296
We don't have everything.

2224
01:53:21,463 --> 01:53:24,466
We have Saviano, Barrett, Geoghan.

2225
01:53:24,549 --> 01:53:26,069
Book a pastor list in the archive warehouse.

2226
01:53:26,384 --> 01:53:27,504
We only have now.

2227
01:53:27,552 --> 01:53:29,637
Robby, this case needs Spotlight.

2228
01:53:30,472 --> 01:53:32,807
Mike, Spotlight has been around since 1970.

2229
01:53:33,057 --> 01:53:36,186
Then? We don't know where to start.

2230
01:53:36,269 --> 01:53:38,438
Robby, everything starts with
from a bastard priest.

2231
01:53:41,232 --> 01:53:43,943
Macleish sent a list of 20 pastors a few years ago.

2232
01:53:44,110 --> 01:53:45,820
Sacha finds the archive.

2233
01:53:46,571 --> 01:53:48,031
Are you serious? 20 pastors?

2234
01:53:48,656 --> 01:53:49,699
When?

2235
01:53:51,242 --> 01:53:53,786
Not long after Porter's case.
December 1993.

2236
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,372
We print it via Metro.
There is no continuation.

2237
01:53:57,790 --> 01:53:59,125
That's you.

2238
01:54:01,127 --> 01:54:02,253
You were on the Metro at that time.

2239
01:54:03,421 --> 01:54:05,423
Yes. It is true.

2240
01:54:06,299 --> 01:54:08,718
I just moved.
I don't remember everything.

2241
01:54:10,261 --> 01:54:11,596
But that's true.

2242
01:54:16,559 --> 01:54:19,062
Can I talk?

2243
01:54:20,730 --> 01:54:22,273
Sometimes we easily forget...

2244
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:25,193
... when in darkness.

2245
01:54:26,361 --> 01:54:28,196
When light suddenly appears,...

2246
01:54:28,279 --> 01:54:30,657
... we feel guilty.

2247
01:54:32,784 --> 01:54:35,078
I can't talk about what happened before I came,...

2248
01:54:36,871 --> 01:54:39,541
... but you all have
covering very good news.

2249
01:54:40,458 --> 01:54:43,461
Covering news that
I believe will...

2250
01:54:43,795 --> 01:54:46,798
... have a big impact on our readers.

2251
01:54:48,258 --> 01:54:51,511
For me, this news is in accordance with our type.

2252
01:54:52,262 --> 01:54:55,223
Even so, Cardinal Law and Catholic Church...

2253
01:54:55,390 --> 01:54:57,642
... will openly deny it.

2254
01:54:58,977 --> 01:55:00,979
So if you need to rest,...

2255
01:55:02,021 --> 01:55:03,022
... this is the time.

2256
01:55:05,358 --> 01:55:07,485
But I want you back
tomorrow Monday...

2257
01:55:07,569 --> 01:55:10,989
... to focus on
doing your work.

2258
01:55:19,205 --> 01:55:20,206
Go home?

2259
01:55:21,082 --> 01:55:22,083
Yes.

2260
01:55:27,839 --> 01:55:30,258
The cardinal just called me.

2261
01:55:30,675 --> 01:55:32,510
Really? Why?

2262
01:55:32,594 --> 01:55:33,970
He wants to tell me directly...

2263
01:55:34,095 --> 01:55:35,430
... if he decides
won't respond.

2264
01:55:36,180 --> 01:55:40,685
He said the offer of help was still valid.

2265
01:55:40,852 --> 01:55:43,605
Yes, God, so arrogant.
What do you say?

2266
01:55:44,355 --> 01:55:45,982
I said he had made a mistake...

2267
01:55:46,065 --> 01:55:47,734
... and we will
print this news.

2268
01:55:47,900 --> 01:55:49,527
Of course.

2269
01:56:14,552 --> 01:56:16,429
Sacha, can you get a glass of water?

2270
01:56:17,639 --> 01:56:20,016
Sure, Grandma.

2271
01:56:31,277 --> 01:56:32,612
Can I save it?

2272
01:56:34,113 --> 01:56:35,239
Sure.

2273
01:56:36,074 --> 01:56:37,825
I want you to see it first.

2274
01:56:37,950 --> 01:56:39,452
Thank you for bringing it.

2275
01:56:42,413 --> 01:56:44,916
I still want to meet clients.

2276
01:57:02,975 --> 01:57:04,644
They were both molested.

2277
01:57:05,186 --> 01:57:07,188
Jamaica Plain.
Two weeks ago.

2278
01:57:09,190 --> 01:57:12,860
Maintain your work, Mr. Rezendes.

2279
01:57:14,779 --> 01:57:16,614
Halo./
Hello.

2280
01:57:16,781 --> 01:57:19,200
How are you guys? /
Good.

2281
01:57:19,659 --> 01:57:20,660
Good.

2282
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,602
The church has ignored the sexual abuse of pastors
for years.

2283
01:58:07,540 --> 01:58:09,542
Hey ./
Morning.

2284
01:58:10,293 --> 01:58:11,461
How do you sleep?

2285
01:58:12,295 --> 01:58:13,838
No sleep. You?

2286
01:58:14,046 --> 01:58:15,882
I haven't been able to sleep for months.

2287
01:58:17,508 --> 01:58:19,886
Thank you.
I started writing.

2288
01:58:20,678 --> 01:58:22,805
Write? /
Yes, write a book.

2289
01:58:22,889 --> 01:58:24,682
So I have activities.

2290
01:58:24,849 --> 01:58:26,058
What book?

2291
01:58:26,350 --> 01:58:27,894
Horror.

2292
01:58:34,692 --> 01:58:35,735
Spotlight.

2293
01:58:37,153 --> 01:58:39,447
Yes. Certain.

2294
01:58:39,530 --> 01:58:40,990
Can you name your name?

2295
01:58:57,673 --> 01:58:59,091
You know it's Sunday, & no?

2296
01:58:59,258 --> 01:59:00,885
I'm running out of tee time.

2297
01:59:03,888 --> 01:59:05,765
No demonstrators. /
Yes.

2298
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:08,184
Maybe still in church.

2299
01:59:10,561 --> 01:59:11,938
Hey, Linda.

2300
01:59:12,188 --> 01:59:13,272
Very quiet.

2301
01:59:13,356 --> 01:59:15,775
The most relaxed overtime work.

2302
01:59:15,858 --> 01:59:16,901
There is no incoming call.

2303
01:59:17,401 --> 01:59:19,445
Marty sent two
receptors to the Spotlight room.

2304
01:59:23,241 --> 01:59:25,076
Good article. /
Thank you.

2305
01:59:25,743 --> 01:59:26,911
Spotlight?

2306
01:59:50,476 --> 01:59:52,186
Good. Tell him to come.

2307
01:59:52,270 --> 01:59:53,396
Spotlight.
Anything I can help?

2308
01:59:53,479 --> 01:59:54,939
The phone keeps ringing from morning.

2309
01:59:57,775 --> 01:59:59,402
Mike, can I pick it up? /
Yes.

2310
02:00:00,736 --> 02:00:02,738
Many callers from victims, Robby.

2311
02:00:05,157 --> 02:00:06,659
Sorry to wait.

2312
02:00:09,996 --> 02:00:11,330
I understand this is hard to talk about...

2313
02:00:11,497 --> 02:00:13,082
Yes, you can find me here...

2314
02:00:13,958 --> 02:00:15,293
Here Spotlight.

2315
02:00:30,808 --> 02:00:31,934
Spotlight.

2316
02:00:38,097 --> 02:00:43,369
Throughout 2002, the Spotlight team wrote nearly 600 articles related to the scandal.

2317
02:00:44,649 --> 02:00:47,906
249 Pastors and Monks in Boston Diocese
have been indicted for acts of sexual abuse.

2318
02:00:48,013 --> 02:00:53,412
The number of survivors in Boston
ranges from over 1,000 people.

2319
02:00:54,591 --> 02:00:57,916
In December 2002,
Cardinal Law resigned from the Boston Diocese.

2320
02:00:57,975 --> 02:01:03,443
He was transferred to the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome,
one of the largest Roman Catholic churches in the world.

2321
02:01:04,646 --> 02:01:08,719
Many cases of sexual abuse have been revealed
in the following cities:

2322
02:01:28,615 --> 02:02:00,000
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