1 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:33,759 Visit www.Hokijudi99.id Trusted Secure Online Gambling Agent 2 00:02:04,257 --> 00:02:08,160 Friends of journalists I say from all people who do journalism, 3 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:09,761 War photographers are the craziest. 4 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:12,364 Can you talk about that? 5 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:14,666 Well, the problem is with war photography is there there is absolutely no way to do it from a distance. 6 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:18,670 You must be close. 7 00:02:18,705 --> 00:02:20,539 You can't do it from your hotel, 8 00:02:20,574 --> 00:02:22,707 you can't do it from across the road, across the bridge. 9 00:02:22,742 --> 00:02:25,677 You must be there. 10 00:02:25,712 --> 00:02:26,645 There really is no substitute for for that. 11 00:02:30,483 --> 00:02:31,517 So you have to find out how to be in the midst of things, 12 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:38,657 no matter what happens. 13 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:39,658 And you must suspend your reasons sometimes 14 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:44,596 15 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:46,765 to do that and I think That's where the reputation comes from. 16 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:57,375 Give the name of the country torn by the war in the past six years or more 17 00:02:57,410 --> 00:02:59,611 and most likely Chris Hondros is there. 18 00:02:59,646 --> 00:03:01,379 He has worked in most of the major conflict zones of the world since the late 1990s. 19 00:03:01,414 --> 00:03:02,047 Iraq, Liberia, Kosovo. 20 00:03:02,082 --> 00:03:03,415 Through the camera lens, Chris Hondros has taken... 21 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:05,383 Pulitzer Prizes nominated Photographer war 22 00:03:05,418 --> 00:03:07,852 Chris Hondros for Getty Images... 23 00:03:07,887 --> 00:03:09,288 Chris is a staff photographer 24 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:11,856 for international photo agents Getty Images. 25 00:03:11,891 --> 00:03:14,492 He just returned ninth assignment in Iraq. 26 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:17,596 I am not one of these people who enter war photography to rush. 27 00:03:28,508 --> 00:03:31,710 I don't like adventure sports or something like that. 28 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:32,978 29 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:36,481 30 00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:39,851 I mean, I believe in photography, I believe in that role 31 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,554 that reporters and photographers specifically play 32 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:44,589 throughout our system international conflict 33 00:03:44,624 --> 00:03:46,725 and how we resolve differences. 34 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,662 We have a role to play and I want to get involved because. 35 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:02,374 Well, I would guess this might be the earliest image 36 00:04:02,409 --> 00:04:05,277 I have Chris and this is me take this photo 37 00:04:05,312 --> 00:04:09,414 like, "Here I am in middle school" and, look, 38 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:11,483 someone who will end be my best friend. 39 00:04:14,688 --> 00:04:15,854 Beautiful young, Chris. 40 00:04:16,623 --> 00:04:17,356 Um... 41 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:26,631 It's a small portion 42 00:04:26,666 --> 00:04:29,835 of all those experiences he has all his life. 43 00:04:31,871 --> 00:04:35,607 The experience is practical there are no people in the world 44 00:04:35,642 --> 00:04:36,408 I've ever had. 45 00:04:37,644 --> 00:04:44,649 He has an front seat for every major world event 46 00:04:44,684 --> 00:04:46,518 from the last decade. 47 00:04:48,855 --> 00:04:53,525 He is my best friend but it doesn't even start 48 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,428 to scratch the surface how I feel about him. 49 00:04:56,463 --> 00:04:59,764 And there is instinct that I have that 50 00:04:59,799 --> 00:05:01,933 some of him is still somewhere out there. 51 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:05,770 That part of him can be found in the community 52 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:08,340 and places are important to him. 53 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:34,899 Some of the most powerful, in my opinion, 54 00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:36,133 some of the most powerful images you have taken are in Liberia and it seems to me 55 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:39,504 in looking at them You have a deeper connection 56 00:05:39,539 --> 00:05:42,340 for what happened there. Am I right? 57 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:44,709 I like it enough, yes, from Liberia and Liberia. 58 00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:50,014 I am excited about the war in my opinion because of that _ war can happen very easily prevented. 59 00:05:50,049 --> 00:05:52,817 60 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:55,553 61 00:05:55,588 --> 00:05:56,721 You know, there are things international community 62 00:05:56,756 --> 00:05:58,890 can do that summer which should be prevented 63 00:05:58,925 --> 00:06:01,659 caustic situation there. 64 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:06,731 Chris has a very firm belief in what he wants his photography becomes around. 65 00:06:06,766 --> 00:06:09,401 I can drop it under any circumstances 66 00:06:14,607 --> 00:06:16,741 and I don't need to explain why he was there. 67 00:06:16,776 --> 00:06:19,444 He believes in the power of from illuminating light 68 00:06:26,453 --> 00:06:29,120 in the opposite places will be dark. 69 00:06:29,155 --> 00:06:30,922 In 2003, I was covering up what ended up 70 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:46,805 to be climax Liberia's civil war in West Africa. 71 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:50,442 Rebels start to move to Monrovia, 72 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:54,446 towards the capital, try to encourage Charles Taylor 73 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:57,048 out of power, and you know, we hear a lot of things 74 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,884 75 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:03,121 attacks on civilians, cruelty, slaughter. 76 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:07,158 And we go and try to verify this. 77 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:19,137 I meet Chris, I help him go to the front line 78 00:07:19,172 --> 00:07:22,073 to cover the war that we are dying, 79 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:23,074 we kill each other. 80 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:27,045 Chris left the United States it was more peaceful 81 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,614 and come here to tell our story 82 00:07:29,649 --> 00:07:32,684 and I remember the risk he took. 83 00:07:35,488 --> 00:07:37,556 Photographers always want to go where there are shootings. 84 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:42,694 They say, "Why did the shooting happen?" They say, "I want to go there." 85 00:07:46,699 --> 00:07:48,500 Troops on both sides of the current 86 00:07:48,535 --> 00:07:51,870 just broken into pure militia. 87 00:07:51,905 --> 00:07:55,773 They are mostly shirtless, many child soldiers. 88 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:57,509 Bullets fly everywhere. 89 00:07:57,544 --> 00:07:58,710 We will see children 90 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:02,814 as young as seven, eight, nine years with AK-47. 91 00:08:02,849 --> 00:08:06,150 These children are starving, hungry, riding drugs 92 00:08:06,185 --> 00:08:08,786 that they have been given by the commander. 93 00:08:08,821 --> 00:08:11,856 There is an element real madness for that. 94 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,562 There is one special bad day when I come out, 95 00:08:17,597 --> 00:08:19,097 I have been caught in this series of mortars, 96 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:21,799 and I remember running, trying to go back 97 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:24,135 to the hotel because of that has a thick concrete ceiling 98 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:27,772 and I think I can hide in the basement or something and be safe. 99 00:08:27,807 --> 00:08:30,141 A few minutes later, school across the street 100 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:32,744 wash with a large artillery shell. 101 00:08:34,814 --> 00:08:36,848 There are all these civilians packed into the page, 102 00:08:36,883 --> 00:08:39,217 they have taken refuge there and the shell falls 103 00:08:39,252 --> 00:08:40,552 right in their midst. 104 00:08:41,554 --> 00:08:44,956 And Chris ran to the hotel and he caught me 105 00:08:44,991 --> 00:08:46,591 and he said, "The school has been hit across the street, 106 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:48,960 we have to go and photos." 107 00:08:48,995 --> 00:08:53,531 And I was very surprised I was like, "No more, I'm done, I can't." 108 00:08:53,566 --> 00:08:57,068 I just, sort of, huddle in the hotel, I can't go back out. 109 00:08:57,103 --> 00:08:58,570 He returns there. 110 00:09:00,273 --> 00:09:03,207 He photographed everything and he helped people to the hospital. 111 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:15,186 You learn how to deal with your fears, I think, in a situation like this. 112 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:17,055 I mean if you don't do it, you have wasted your time, right? 113 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:19,657 I mean, you've spent a lot of time and trouble get to this situation to do work 114 00:09:19,692 --> 00:09:22,594 that you feel needs to be done 115 00:09:22,629 --> 00:09:24,195 116 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:28,766 and if you don't do the last mile to really appear 117 00:09:28,801 --> 00:09:31,736 under stressful situations, then you have been wasted all your time. 118 00:09:38,778 --> 00:09:40,645 Frontline war for most of the summer 119 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,781 are a pair of these bridges and rebel forces 120 00:09:43,816 --> 00:09:45,951 are on one side and government forces are on the other side. 121 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:55,093 And the first few days that area was the front line, I ventured there. 122 00:09:56,863 --> 00:09:58,163 We have been with government soldiers 123 00:09:58,198 --> 00:10:00,264 before they will be charged bridges and I think 124 00:10:00,299 --> 00:10:02,634 it will be too dangerous to do that. 125 00:10:02,669 --> 00:10:05,937 It's just been exposed, there's no place to hide, there's no place for ducks, 126 00:10:05,972 --> 00:10:08,006 bullets are flying everywhere. 127 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:10,975 But there is something clicked inside me right now 128 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:13,311 when I think about it and the same as them will be charged. 129 00:10:13,346 --> 00:10:16,814 You know, I am a little aware at that time that my entire career 130 00:10:16,849 --> 00:10:18,149 as a photographer on the road has gone to 131 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:18,850 for a moment like that. 132 00:10:19,952 --> 00:10:22,820 And the photo is on the bridge, 133 00:10:22,855 --> 00:10:25,256 it's not 50 meters away from the middle of the bridge, 134 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:26,991 it's on the bridge. 135 00:10:27,026 --> 00:10:27,825 There is no shortcut for that. 136 00:10:54,854 --> 00:10:57,321 This is an iconic photo. 137 00:10:57,356 --> 00:11:01,025 You know, and Chris is the best that often, 138 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:04,729 he has the ability to find the photos. 139 00:11:04,764 --> 00:11:08,399 I thought when I first saw it, was immediate attention for his safety. 140 00:11:08,434 --> 00:11:10,435 I'm like, man, he's getting closer. 141 00:11:13,005 --> 00:11:15,139 Things you must understand in situations like that 142 00:11:15,174 --> 00:11:16,841 there are still maybe flying bullets. 143 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:19,744 You are worried about exposure. 144 00:11:19,779 --> 00:11:24,148 and able to maintain presence of mind 145 00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:26,084 to really focus on the subject, 146 00:11:26,119 --> 00:11:28,720 to frame the subject, to get that kind peak moment 147 00:11:28,755 --> 00:11:31,823 really very difficult. 148 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,758 When you hear it tell the story 149 00:11:33,793 --> 00:11:36,427 how dangerous the bridge is and how many metals 150 00:11:36,462 --> 00:11:40,298 fly around and you think, to make this graceful photo 151 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:44,202 in the middle of all that is extraordinary. 152 00:11:45,238 --> 00:11:46,938 And that one thing happened, 153 00:11:46,973 --> 00:11:50,108 it's another thing other people document it. 154 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:51,409 One of the most interesting photos 155 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:55,913 from Liberia is very young Liberian Soldiers 156 00:11:55,948 --> 00:11:57,982 who jumped excitedly, he just reached his target. 157 00:11:59,452 --> 00:12:02,086 That picture, I'm still not sure 158 00:12:02,121 --> 00:12:04,255 what that means, you know, it has ambiguity for me 159 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:07,959 it's still a bit, I'm exploring, I think. 160 00:12:07,994 --> 00:12:12,130 Does it celebrate the war or is it something else? 161 00:12:12,165 --> 00:12:14,265 I think many different people will bring different things 162 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:15,399 far from that image 163 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:17,802 and even I don't have enough know what that means. 164 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:30,214 I remember seeing all the images that came out of Liberia. 165 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:30,915 That's chaos. 166 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:38,423 And I think Chris spent a lot of money time through his actions... 167 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:47,866 ... very empathic with people and their conditions. 168 00:12:50,036 --> 00:12:55,039 And very desirable world to empathize with their conditions too. 169 00:13:01,547 --> 00:13:04,048 There are about maybe 10 photographers 170 00:13:04,083 --> 00:13:06,484 which is pitched there, and we start to saturate 171 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:09,253 news with images from war. 172 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,168 Suddenly, the United Nations was involved and held an audience 173 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:26,304 and start assembling peacekeepers. 174 00:13:26,339 --> 00:13:28,039 I mean, there are real causes and effects. 175 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:50,328 Did Chris ever talk to you about why he felt 176 00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:53,998 is it very important to go to cover these conflicts? 177 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:58,569 Well, I told him some stories You saw when they were children, you saw. 178 00:13:58,604 --> 00:14:03,074 And they always say, "Mom, tell me a story about your childhood," you see. 179 00:14:03,109 --> 00:14:07,111 So, at night I will do it then tell them stories the way I grew up. 180 00:14:07,146 --> 00:14:11,282 You see, it's really different from that here in America. 181 00:14:11,317 --> 00:14:13,484 Four thousand planes destroy the Atlantic wall... 182 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,087 When the war starts, Second World War, 183 00:14:16,122 --> 00:14:18,890 it creeps closer and closer to small cities. 184 00:14:20,259 --> 00:14:22,393 So I told him some stories. 185 00:14:22,428 --> 00:14:25,429 Airplanes are shot down, and then they burn, you see, 186 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:29,267 and then people jump out and things like that. 187 00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:40,211 What about you, Chris, what scared you? 188 00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:41,045 None. 189 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:42,947 Sure. 190 00:14:42,982 --> 00:14:44,015 Yes. 191 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:45,049 But what scares you? 192 00:14:46,252 --> 00:14:47,252 Nothing really scares me. 193 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:52,556 He is always a very independent, confident person already when he was little. 194 00:14:52,591 --> 00:14:54,091 And I don't know. 195 00:14:54,126 --> 00:14:55,526 Maybe a gene, maybe, I don't know. 196 00:14:56,362 --> 00:14:58,930 You know that he will be 197 00:14:58,965 --> 00:15:00,431 a photographer, right, I mean, is that clear to you? 198 00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:03,367 Uh, yes, he always talks about that. 199 00:15:03,402 --> 00:15:07,471 My husband is very, very upset and I told my husband, 200 00:15:07,506 --> 00:15:10,975 201 00:15:11,010 --> 00:15:15,446 I said, "Zip, whatever he wants to do, he will do it 202 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:16,314 and leave him alone." 203 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:22,987 That is very important to me and I say, "You have a chance, 204 00:15:23,022 --> 00:15:27,959 You have the means, you have everything here, what we don't have." 205 00:15:27,994 --> 00:15:31,395 You see, I grew up in chaos there. 206 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:32,964 What we don't have. 207 00:15:32,999 --> 00:15:34,532 I say, "use that." 208 00:15:42,341 --> 00:15:46,043 Chris and I really intend to be journalists 209 00:15:46,078 --> 00:15:48,646 that we often will try to jump forward 210 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:51,549 from what we learned in college and go out and do it. 211 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:56,620 Our first task with 212 00:15:56,655 --> 00:15:59,657 is to cover Bill Clinton inauguration in 1993. 213 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:03,627 He called me and said, "Come on, let's close this for the student newspaper." 214 00:16:03,662 --> 00:16:07,164 We arrived in Washington without press credentials 215 00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:10,001 or even proper clothes to be able to enter 216 00:16:10,036 --> 00:16:12,169 a first ball to get the story 217 00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:16,040 we need, so Chris manages to bully 218 00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:19,543 to secure pairs from all access through 219 00:16:19,578 --> 00:16:23,647 and I made it in my uncle's dead cabinet 220 00:16:23,682 --> 00:16:28,519 and steal some very large t-shirts and sports coat. 221 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:30,054 But we finally enter the ball 222 00:16:30,089 --> 00:16:32,123 and get the shots we need, 223 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:34,525 so it works perfectly. 224 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,361 Chris hired me as an apprentice after I left campus. 225 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:45,436 I immediately saw, I was very surprised how young he was. 226 00:16:45,471 --> 00:16:48,773 I mean, this is a man of my age. 227 00:16:48,808 --> 00:16:51,008 He is the chief photographer on paper. 228 00:16:51,043 --> 00:16:53,277 229 00:16:53,312 --> 00:16:56,213 Um, however small the paper is, he still runs the show. 230 00:16:56,248 --> 00:17:00,551 You know, the police scanner is always by his bed, 231 00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:05,589 chasing every bit spot news that it's out there. 232 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:09,026 The very sophomoric first thing a young photographer 233 00:17:09,061 --> 00:17:11,095 see National Geographic and say, 234 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,031 "Geez, I can shoot those photos." 235 00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:18,536 Chris strongly insists that he will go shoot the picture. 236 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:24,141 And he will know the transit route to do that. 237 00:17:24,176 --> 00:17:27,678 Working on a small scale daily newspapers in America 238 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:30,347 go and cover international war 239 00:17:30,382 --> 00:17:35,553 is a fairly large step and there is no instruction manual 240 00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:38,255 to tell you How do you do it. 241 00:17:38,290 --> 00:17:41,592 Just to sell everything and go to Kosovo 242 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:45,329 a little risky action, but we are ready to make that jump. 243 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:52,770 Being very ambitious, young, inexperienced, 244 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:56,240 You don't really have it the right idea how many dangers 245 00:17:56,275 --> 00:17:59,110 You put yourself in and that is very common 246 00:17:59,145 --> 00:18:01,745 to just think nothing happens to you, 247 00:18:01,780 --> 00:18:04,381 that you are an observer and somehow it protects you. 248 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:06,717 But when there is an actual battle is going on, 249 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:09,153 that is the only thing that teaches you 250 00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:12,356 this is what really means is here. 251 00:18:14,126 --> 00:18:18,796 This is where you really start to see made of what 252 00:18:18,831 --> 00:18:22,466 and I can see what Chris is made of and it's clear that this won't happen 253 00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:25,303 last trip to Kosovo or another place for him. 254 00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:32,109 Well, honestly, he was there three times, I heard. 255 00:18:32,144 --> 00:18:34,278 But we only know once. 256 00:18:34,313 --> 00:18:37,281 He said, "I don't want you worry." 257 00:18:37,316 --> 00:18:40,851 I always believe your judgment, you see. 258 00:18:40,886 --> 00:18:44,722 So when I didn't hear from him for two or three weeks or more, 259 00:18:44,757 --> 00:18:45,823 OK, he's busy. 260 00:19:28,267 --> 00:19:30,601 Getty Images want to start newspaper services. 261 00:19:32,404 --> 00:19:33,871 We are looking for to make a splash, 262 00:19:33,906 --> 00:19:36,574 we want to make it our sign on the news scene. 263 00:19:36,609 --> 00:19:42,580 He carries a higher level photography with him. 264 00:19:42,615 --> 00:19:45,583 It's really affected all other photographers 265 00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:47,751 who was working with Getty at that time. 266 00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:50,588 You can call it "Hondros Effect". 267 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:52,356 Early days of Getty, 268 00:19:52,391 --> 00:19:54,858 we really are the only wire do something, 269 00:19:54,893 --> 00:19:55,892 trying to do something different 270 00:19:55,928 --> 00:19:58,262 and fresh type and certainly more creative 271 00:19:58,297 --> 00:20:01,332 in a broader interpretation about what is a news photo 272 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:02,934 is and can. 273 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:09,540 An absolute key for us in starting our news business 274 00:20:09,575 --> 00:20:12,777 is what we want the photographers to tell the story. 275 00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:16,447 And talk to Chris, that is exactly 276 00:20:16,482 --> 00:20:19,617 what he did and what he really wanted to do it. 277 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:22,586 He wants flexibility and that ability 278 00:20:22,621 --> 00:20:24,922 to tell his story the way he saw it. 279 00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:28,259 And for him, the story is always about 280 00:20:28,294 --> 00:20:31,295 people affected by by conflict 281 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:35,766 or with disasters that are opposed by for the disaster itself. 282 00:20:35,801 --> 00:20:37,635 We have the latest news _ to tell, 283 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:40,271 seems, a plane has just fallen 284 00:20:40,306 --> 00:20:42,773 into the World Trade Center here in New York City. 285 00:20:42,808 --> 00:20:45,576 That just happened a few moments ago apparently. 286 00:20:45,611 --> 00:20:48,345 Morning 11 September, I got a phone call 287 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:51,415 from Chris said, "Turn on the television." 288 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:54,418 ... very apprehensive. 289 00:20:54,453 --> 00:20:56,620 "You have to get out of your job today, 290 00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:57,822 You have to come to New York tonight." 291 00:20:59,158 --> 00:21:03,961 I hold baby bottles or change diapers or something 292 00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:07,765 and I think a lot about how 293 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:10,401 our lives deviate at that time. 294 00:21:12,838 --> 00:21:16,807 I will never forget that few days after 9/11 295 00:21:16,842 --> 00:21:20,911 and we, you know, all in the office, we work in crazy hours 296 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:25,482 and suddenly I got news that Hondros was on the plane to Pakistan. 297 00:21:25,517 --> 00:21:26,584 And I just said, "What?" 298 00:21:27,686 --> 00:21:29,287 I don't even think about Pakistan. 299 00:21:32,691 --> 00:21:35,826 He might be half step ahead of us 300 00:21:35,861 --> 00:21:39,296 in this case the next story, 301 00:21:39,331 --> 00:21:41,799 where this will happen, so, usually, 302 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,701 he will only call in the morning and say, 303 00:21:43,736 --> 00:21:46,036 "Hey, this is what I do instead of waiting 304 00:21:46,071 --> 00:21:48,339 for anyone to go and sending it anywhere." 305 00:21:50,709 --> 00:21:54,545 Really, inevitable, at that time was the beginning of Chris just left. 306 00:21:56,415 --> 00:22:00,884 There is nothing to change it back and for the next 10 years, 307 00:22:00,919 --> 00:22:01,686 that's all he does, he goes. 308 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:04,888 From then on, I saw Chris's work cover of each newspaper in the world. 309 00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:06,857 Do you know what is spot news? 310 00:22:14,032 --> 00:22:15,899 311 00:22:15,934 --> 00:22:19,503 You know, spot news is a car accident, bombs explode... 312 00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:22,773 ... plane to building. 313 00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:25,943 Photos from that day... 314 00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:31,415 has many effects, lots of emotions. 315 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:39,757 But I think Chris is very interested how the story happened. 316 00:22:39,792 --> 00:22:42,126 What wisdom do we expect to come from this? 317 00:22:44,129 --> 00:22:47,565 And I think Chris feels responsibility for answering many of those questions. 318 00:23:10,989 --> 00:23:12,089 When the invasion starts, 319 00:23:12,124 --> 00:23:16,126 I rent an SUV and... 320 00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:18,596 and drove across the border to Iraq. 321 00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:22,599 Enter Baghdad when the city will fall 322 00:23:22,634 --> 00:23:25,702 will be the highest historical importance. 323 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,504 You want to be there when that happens. 324 00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:30,474 And in fact, we met some other SUVs 325 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:32,576 with another partner Newsweek reporter 326 00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:35,179 which is also feared to make it to Baghdad 327 00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:36,447 before anyone else. 328 00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:40,484 Shot for several days, no problem. 329 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,653 Followed by the main highway which leads to Baghdad 330 00:23:42,688 --> 00:23:45,656 which is a long curved 331 00:23:45,691 --> 00:23:48,526 332 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:52,863 column American armored vehicles, hundreds of miles long. 333 00:23:52,898 --> 00:23:55,466 I have to take my time with that, I should just stay back 334 00:23:55,501 --> 00:23:58,469 and slowly step up, but I'm a little excited 335 00:23:58,504 --> 00:23:59,770 and I was pushed on the third day war 336 00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:02,072 about halfway to Baghdad. 337 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,807 You know, it's a very quiet afternoon, 338 00:24:03,842 --> 00:24:07,444 nothing happened, we just followed 339 00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:10,647 a Marine convoy and there are no fights at all, 340 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:12,683 no resistance anything. 341 00:24:12,718 --> 00:24:15,452 that we finally followed being transferred, 342 00:24:15,487 --> 00:24:19,089 so there are other Marine convoys 343 00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:21,458 maybe two or three kilometers ahead 344 00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:23,460 and we try to connect with them 345 00:24:23,495 --> 00:24:26,530 which means traveling two or three kilometers in no man's land, 346 00:24:26,565 --> 00:24:29,533 so to speak, without any convoy protection. 347 00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:31,668 We will now talk to Chris Hondros, 348 00:24:31,703 --> 00:24:34,805 famous photographer with Getty Images. 349 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,541 So, Chris, tell us, what are you thinking about? 350 00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:41,545 I thought that I was amazed that they let us drive this _ far into Iraq. 351 00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:45,716 On the right side, I remember a very large gas station 352 00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:50,521 and I just remember hearing, You know, shot, 353 00:24:50,556 --> 00:24:54,858 and I turned to and there were at least 10 to 15 Iraqi soldiers, 354 00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:57,728 all in uniform, shooting at us. 355 00:24:57,763 --> 00:25:00,197 The tire on the right side of the car is completely destroyed 356 00:25:00,232 --> 00:25:02,533 and we travel using rims. 357 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:07,204 And then we throw the car away, achieve what we can, 358 00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:14,811 and we are very lost in the Iraqi agricultural field at nightfall for the night. 359 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,246 That's bad. 360 00:25:16,281 --> 00:25:20,017 Chris is talking on the phone with his Getty people 361 00:25:20,052 --> 00:25:24,221 returning to New York is recommended by the Marine commander 362 00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:26,523 to squat, dig a hole, 363 00:25:26,558 --> 00:25:27,224 and wait until morning. 364 00:25:28,794 --> 00:25:33,797 I think it's really bad idea because you basically duck sitting. 365 00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:38,068 I... That, uh... It's hard to convince Chris. 366 00:25:38,103 --> 00:25:42,539 He, he's dead stay silent. 367 00:25:42,574 --> 00:25:45,776 He is in this tunnel thinking that this is what he will do. 368 00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:47,044 That's what happened to solve it by yourself, 369 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:52,616 by staying in a hole and waiting for to be saved in the morning. 370 00:25:52,651 --> 00:25:53,984 I keep saying, okay, come in the morning, 371 00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:56,219 everyone will be able to to see you, including Iraqis. 372 00:25:56,254 --> 00:25:57,955 They will find you, 373 00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:01,758 they will follow footprints in the sand. 374 00:26:01,793 --> 00:26:06,163 I think that kind of thing is convincing he is that wrong decision. 375 00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:09,266 When I tell you "convincing", I have to really catch it with the collar, 376 00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:14,037 with his shirt, and shake him and I like slapping his face 377 00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,074 because we feel like you can't live in the desert. 378 00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:20,978 You have to come with us, we take you whether you like it or not. 379 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:23,981 So, we entered complete darkness for 10 kilometers. 380 00:26:24,016 --> 00:26:25,349 Takes us around six or seven hours, 381 00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:29,119 and succeed to the army staging area. 382 00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:34,257 That also ends drive me to Baghdad 383 00:26:34,292 --> 00:26:38,095 because I lost the truck, I lost a lot of equipment and teeth. 384 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:41,298 So, I stayed with that the soldiers who picked us up 385 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:43,667 for a few days but basically then, 386 00:26:43,702 --> 00:26:46,169 they have a helicopter that will return on refueling 387 00:26:46,204 --> 00:26:47,771 and I get one of them 388 00:26:47,806 --> 00:26:49,940 with my tail between my legs. 389 00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:53,176 We are stuck in the desert for three days. 390 00:26:53,211 --> 00:26:55,312 There is a sandstorm raging. 391 00:26:56,648 --> 00:26:59,149 You can't see anything but you can see 392 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:04,655 White Titanium Chris Hondros & apos ;, colorful turtlenecks. 393 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:08,325 You know Egyptian cotton. 394 00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:11,729 So it's typical Chris. 395 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:15,165 I push it too far. 396 00:27:17,235 --> 00:27:22,172 I think that we are actually just driving in a light, protected SUV across the border. 397 00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:23,741 That can't be understood by me. 398 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,377 I mean, I think Chris and I are really stupid 399 00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:28,846 to get ourselves in that situation. 400 00:27:30,348 --> 00:27:32,015 Photojournalists in order to survive, 401 00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:35,352 we need arrogance and I feel it, 402 00:27:35,387 --> 00:27:37,854 I saw it in my colleague, and I have seen it at Chris. 403 00:27:37,889 --> 00:27:39,823 I have a very good feeling that he feels like this. 404 00:27:39,858 --> 00:27:42,793 Very high, highest believes in its ability 405 00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,127 to survive everything. 406 00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:44,895 A hubris. 407 00:27:45,931 --> 00:27:47,898 Who doesn't feel that way sometimes. 408 00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:50,701 You cover dozens of conflicts, several times, 409 00:27:50,736 --> 00:27:52,736 lots of things and nothing happens to you 410 00:27:52,771 --> 00:27:54,671 or when something happens to you, 411 00:27:54,706 --> 00:27:57,941 You can, like, get rid of your pants and leave. 412 00:27:59,945 --> 00:28:02,279 Chris definitely has a tolerance for risk 413 00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:04,247 that I don't have. 414 00:28:04,282 --> 00:28:07,084 And I don't, I don't know, I wasn't born with that. 415 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720 He could be, I don't want to use it the word "arrogant," 416 00:28:09,755 --> 00:28:12,856 but he has this optimism. 417 00:28:14,926 --> 00:28:16,226 He is finished, he will do it go home briefly 418 00:28:16,261 --> 00:28:18,028 and relax and recover. 419 00:28:18,063 --> 00:28:21,398 So I drove him from Baghdad to the southern border 420 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,034 and we see a sign for the city 421 00:28:24,069 --> 00:28:28,138 where they were shot and I will never forget it. 422 00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:30,974 He looks at me, he is like, "Let's just spin through the market, 423 00:28:31,009 --> 00:28:34,745 I am sure you call my SAT, we can find the camera and call my SAT. " 424 00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:38,081 And I just immediately shoot it just for, like, 120, 425 00:28:38,116 --> 00:28:39,883 Just pretend I never even heard it, Chris, didn't hear it. 426 00:28:58,336 --> 00:29:03,373 I thought we were a great suitcase, if that even a word. 427 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:05,142 Because he has a rich life. 428 00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:08,511 I don't need to worry about him 429 00:29:08,546 --> 00:29:12,315 because I know that he is always involved with people 430 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,251 in a way that allows him to process what he see. 431 00:29:16,054 --> 00:29:19,823 Well, Chris is the type of man that you are fair befriend with 432 00:29:19,858 --> 00:29:22,526 very fast and he is really open. 433 00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,162 And he really is, one of those things 434 00:29:25,197 --> 00:29:28,465 I really don't understand about Chris 435 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:34,504 until a long time later in us friendship is the scope friends he has. 436 00:29:34,539 --> 00:29:37,440 Are they translators, drivers, friends they met along the way, 437 00:29:37,475 --> 00:29:39,976 no matter who they are, 438 00:29:40,011 --> 00:29:43,079 he really puts incredible amount of work 439 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:47,350 and energy to stay connect with these people. 440 00:29:47,385 --> 00:29:51,522 And he really has this global presence about him. 441 00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:55,892 Chris is one of these people it really can 442 00:29:55,927 --> 00:29:57,961 let the world open the door for him. 443 00:29:57,996 --> 00:30:01,431 He always, always has a smile on his face, 444 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:03,967 very curious about everything. 445 00:30:04,002 --> 00:30:06,536 You know, he will only win friends, you know, 446 00:30:06,571 --> 00:30:08,271 and if you want succeed in this profession, 447 00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:09,506 You must have that ability. 448 00:30:11,877 --> 00:30:16,880 Chris is always very interested in relationships. 449 00:30:16,915 --> 00:30:21,585 He will travel around watering the world, 450 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:24,488 but basically maintain relationships. 451 00:30:26,391 --> 00:30:29,926 He is like that, and you feel very often 452 00:30:29,961 --> 00:30:33,897 that when you are in this environment and you, you know, you share, 453 00:30:33,932 --> 00:30:35,465 I don't want to say you took, but you share 454 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,335 moments with these people, You can go home for your life. 455 00:30:39,971 --> 00:30:41,905 And you know you leave these people 456 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:43,207 and their situation that they cannot leave. 457 00:30:46,978 --> 00:30:51,381 He wants somehow to do something about that for people 458 00:30:51,416 --> 00:30:54,885 and give them a chance that they will never otherwise. 459 00:30:57,355 --> 00:30:59,923 Women and men, warm welcome to Monrovia. 460 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,113 Joseph, hey. 461 00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:25,348 Nice to meet you. 462 00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:26,049 Nice to meet you. 463 00:31:27,085 --> 00:31:28,418 -What are you doing? -I am doing fine. 464 00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:30,287 Good. Thank you for meeting us. 465 00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:33,090 - Enter inside? - Thank you. 466 00:31:37,128 --> 00:31:39,229 Wow, is this all or bullet shrapnel? 467 00:31:39,264 --> 00:31:41,565 This is an RPG and this one is a bullet. 468 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:43,967 Wow. 469 00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:34,017 I have never sorted out connected with that fighter, 470 00:32:34,052 --> 00:32:36,386 and when images start to be used around the world, 471 00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:39,522 people ask me if I know the story or how old, 472 00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:42,158 whether he survived the war, things like that, and I don't know. 473 00:32:42,193 --> 00:32:45,061 I am not aware of the impact that image will have. 474 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:48,031 But my colleague at Getty, Spencer Platt, 475 00:32:48,066 --> 00:32:50,500 finally going to Liberia one or two months later 476 00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:54,304 and he told me that he went around 477 00:32:54,339 --> 00:32:59,209 in an area and see the fighter You know, running around, 478 00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,044 so he is pretty sure that he survived. 479 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:02,145 I say, "Okay, how do you know what it is?" He said, "Well, I recognize him from the picture. ordinary takes pride in the photo he is in the middle of a battle. = Say, "Look... 480 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,247 How much education do you have at that time? 481 00:33:04,282 --> 00:33:06,383 You know there is a line that says, you know, 482 00:33:06,418 --> 00:33:09,185 483 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:13,323 484 00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:16,626 485 00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:20,030 486 00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:23,299 487 00:33:33,378 --> 00:33:35,012 488 00:34:44,382 --> 00:34:47,184 489 00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:40,236 490 00:35:40,271 --> 00:35:43,506 "If you kill one person, you kill all humans", 491 00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:44,540 I paraphrase. 492 00:35:44,576 --> 00:35:47,143 If you save one person, you save all humanity. 493 00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:50,580 I think it's like Chris's way. 494 00:35:52,417 --> 00:35:54,918 He maintains all of his possessions relationships in the same way. 495 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:08,331 I will need you again. 496 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:15,471 There are many people here in church and all. 497 00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:17,240 "Are you not worried?" I say. 498 00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:19,842 "Even if I'm worried, you see, there's nothing will change." 499 00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:24,514 I can't tell him, you stay home because I'm worried, you see. 500 00:36:24,549 --> 00:36:25,682 You can't do that. 501 00:36:25,717 --> 00:36:26,550 Wait! 502 00:36:28,386 --> 00:36:31,187 Smoke it! On the way, hurry up! 503 00:36:31,222 --> 00:36:33,423 Smoke it! That smoke! 504 00:36:33,458 --> 00:36:34,757 The only that I always tell him, 505 00:36:34,792 --> 00:36:36,693 I say, "Please be careful." 506 00:36:36,728 --> 00:36:38,661 An image is not commensurate with your life. 507 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:42,199 He said, "Oh, Mom, don't worry, I'm careful, I'm careful." 508 00:36:48,806 --> 00:36:52,208 Most people go to Iraq in 2003 and that's it, the war is over. 509 00:36:52,243 --> 00:36:54,210 Chris returns every year, 510 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:55,879 patrol after patrol after patrol. 511 00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:01,851 I mean, very few reporters are in Iraq again. 512 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:02,852 And for me that is incomprehensible. 513 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,756 I understand that at some level, it is very dangerous. 514 00:37:06,791 --> 00:37:09,425 On the other hand, it's like that a very important story. 515 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:12,329 That is a strange story from our time there is no bar. 516 00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:17,567 He is dedicated to tell the story. 517 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:21,638 And he will go when it's 120 degrees, 518 00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:24,341 he will leave when no one else wants to go again. 519 00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:30,747 You know, actually, psychologically, he found out this story 520 00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:32,915 but it will start creeping over the wire, 521 00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:36,319 he gets closer and closer. 522 00:37:37,322 --> 00:37:40,356 And then suddenly, take a picture 523 00:37:40,391 --> 00:37:43,860 or a series of images that become pictures that determine of the event. 524 00:37:46,331 --> 00:37:47,630 I want to go to downtown Mosul, 525 00:37:47,665 --> 00:37:48,664 I really like it about it and they say, 526 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,601 "Well, we will send you to Tal Afar." 527 00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:53,903 And I said, "What is Tal Afar? I have never heard of it." 528 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,372 And they say, "Well, we have very important missions 529 00:37:56,407 --> 00:37:57,840 going on there, You really will like it." 530 00:37:57,875 --> 00:38:02,045 Usually when they say that, will become some glacial boring things. 531 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,616 So I was flown to Tal Afar, the basis of this dusty field in the middle of nowhere. 532 00:38:06,651 --> 00:38:08,584 I am actually walking to the platoon leader 533 00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:11,654 and the platoon leader said, "Hey, this is what we have today." 534 00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:12,989 And I like, "Great." 535 00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:15,491 I always give journalists short, 536 00:38:15,526 --> 00:38:18,428 "Okay, help me, do what I told you to do." 537 00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:19,762 "If you don't do it what I say for you to do, 538 00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:21,331 I can't keep you alive." 539 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,867 Chris's response was, he was like, "Well, 540 00:38:24,902 --> 00:38:27,537 my first priority the pictures, man." 541 00:38:27,572 --> 00:38:29,839 I like, "Okay, you will get my ass blow." 542 00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:31,074 But I like that guy. 543 00:38:33,511 --> 00:38:35,945 I got one unit which seems pretty good, 544 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,547 Apache Company. 545 00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:39,716 Anyway they are beautiful friendly, these people, 546 00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:42,686 so we went on afternoon patrol. 547 00:38:46,057 --> 00:38:47,857 The street is empty, 548 00:38:47,892 --> 00:38:50,626 there are types of curfews in effect, that is a very tense city. 549 00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:52,362 But a car appears in the distance 550 00:38:53,531 --> 00:38:55,932 and start approaching them. 551 00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:59,902 And, you know, they, soldiers in Iraq don't let cars come towards them. 552 00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:02,372 I mean, they don't let that happen 553 00:39:02,407 --> 00:39:05,742 because of fear bombs and objects. 554 00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:07,510 Chris and I, you know, stand there. 555 00:39:07,545 --> 00:39:10,012 I see Chris shooting to my right 556 00:39:10,047 --> 00:39:12,849 and we hear rumbling sounds machines, 557 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,883 like "What is this going on?" 558 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:16,886 We know something will happen. 559 00:39:16,921 --> 00:39:18,388 We just found that out. 560 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:21,657 We give them warning shots, two warning shots. 561 00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:22,892 That's more than usual 562 00:39:23,928 --> 00:39:26,496 and they speed up. 563 00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:32,001 So the company commander says, "Stop the car, someone stops the car." 564 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:34,370 So, it's an open fire, you know. 565 00:39:34,405 --> 00:39:37,040 And that's 20 people 566 00:39:38,476 --> 00:39:40,443 pull the trigger as fast as they can. 567 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,082 We decrease 18, 20 rounds a piece 568 00:39:46,117 --> 00:39:50,153 into this vehicle before that a, "Armistice, ceasefire." 569 00:39:51,789 --> 00:39:52,722 That's a lot of ammunition. 570 00:39:54,926 --> 00:39:57,493 Of course, I hear children's voices 571 00:39:57,528 --> 00:40:00,596 when they stop the car and I know it is family. 572 00:40:00,631 --> 00:40:03,466 The back door is open and children have just come out of the car, 573 00:40:03,501 --> 00:40:05,735 only one after one after another, all of them are six. 574 00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:10,573 And parents sit in front 575 00:40:10,608 --> 00:40:12,742 just full of bullets and immediately die. 576 00:40:25,957 --> 00:40:27,924 I'm like "Oh, my God. What are we doing, what are we doing?" I see this one little girl and she has a lot of blood on her face. 577 00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,561 He can be my daughter. 578 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,470 The children behind are quite extraordinary 579 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,975 unless one of them is shot into the stomach. 580 00:40:58,022 --> 00:41:00,523 Chris was there, he saw it. 581 00:41:00,558 --> 00:41:02,559 He has thoughts to take photos 582 00:41:03,728 --> 00:41:05,828 and insist that it's image released 583 00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:08,498 although the military is not interested in that. 584 00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:11,033 The Major wants me to hold a photo 585 00:41:11,068 --> 00:41:14,570 for several days, he said, "Yes, we appreciate 586 00:41:14,605 --> 00:41:16,639 if you don't send them out for a few days 587 00:41:16,674 --> 00:41:18,040 until we're done our investigation." 588 00:41:18,075 --> 00:41:19,842 589 00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:21,211 590 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,680 And I said, "Well, I have to talk to my boss 591 00:41:24,715 --> 00:41:26,582 but I think, you know, we want to work with you there, Major, 592 00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:29,485 so I think we might be able do something like that. 593 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,953 Let me check but I think we will be fine. " 594 00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:34,657 Again, I'm very relaxed, very cool. 595 00:41:34,692 --> 00:41:37,059 And then I stepped out of his office and return to my trailer and connect my SAT phone 596 00:41:37,094 --> 00:41:40,963 and get all photos and look at them 597 00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:43,966 and I say "Whoa", I can't believe how much 598 00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:45,668 information is there, like the photos came out. 599 00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:48,170 "I have to get this back to New York 600 00:41:48,205 --> 00:41:49,839 before something happens." 601 00:41:49,874 --> 00:41:51,340 602 00:41:51,376 --> 00:41:54,143 I mean they have ability to, like, jam all communication from base 603 00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,846 including my personal SAT phone, you know. 604 00:41:56,881 --> 00:41:58,848 And I said, "OK, send, send, send them, 605 00:41:58,883 --> 00:42:03,152 send them, send them, fast, fast, fast." 606 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,754 So I sent 20 images, 607 00:42:05,756 --> 00:42:08,925 and then, wow, remove them. 608 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,728 Close the SAT phone, close the computer. 609 00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:22,572 The impact of Tal Afar the photo is straightforward, you know. 610 00:42:22,607 --> 00:42:25,207 Clearly there are reports through war 611 00:42:25,242 --> 00:42:27,009 things like that happen but there are already 612 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:28,311 there is no visual evidence if you want. 613 00:42:29,747 --> 00:42:32,548 The photos were taken possible problems 614 00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:33,816 has been cloudy becomes a sharp help. 615 00:42:35,586 --> 00:42:38,721 They run globally for days. 616 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:42,992 And then afterwards, you know, Chris is kicked out of being induced. 617 00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:47,964 I just made a book Iraq, Iraq is my war. 618 00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:51,567 I mean, I spent years there and actually covered the war. 619 00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:56,305 And I think one photo that reaches the American public 620 00:42:56,340 --> 00:43:00,676 of all these conflicts is a photo of Chris from Tal Afar. 621 00:43:00,711 --> 00:43:03,012 Something that was said Chris photo Tal Afar 622 00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:06,916 is that this is something that happens all the time in Iraq, 623 00:43:06,951 --> 00:43:09,652 he happens to be there when that happens. 624 00:43:10,655 --> 00:43:14,991 And pictures of Tal Afar, again, 625 00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:18,828 only this intersection that life, you know, 626 00:43:18,863 --> 00:43:21,764 when it's over, everyone changes. 627 00:43:29,807 --> 00:43:31,974 I believe it's true that was a very traumatic event for Chris 628 00:43:32,009 --> 00:43:34,910 and I think that's possible 629 00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:39,315 what makes him follow up and get involved 630 00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:42,652 with a young child coming here for treatment. 631 00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:46,355 The boy who was shot, he finally became, 632 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:50,960 on the basis of these photos, he was finally flown to Boston for treatment. 633 00:43:50,995 --> 00:43:53,729 You know, he does a lot of things alone 634 00:43:53,764 --> 00:43:56,332 to find a way out to bring Rakan to the US 635 00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:59,335 which is a very difficult thing do in the middle of a war. 636 00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:02,805 An Iraqi citizen has come to get help in this country for their wounds. 637 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:08,377 When you have that connection, you know, 638 00:44:08,412 --> 00:44:09,945 You don't have that connection with everyone 639 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:12,948 but what Chris clearly has with these people 640 00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:15,718 and he put it on the world stage, 641 00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:18,354 and I think he might try to protect them too, 642 00:44:18,389 --> 00:44:21,657 You know, make sure they are okay. 643 00:44:21,692 --> 00:44:23,726 And many of us run through the lives of people 644 00:44:23,761 --> 00:44:27,229 and take photos and sometimes we become famous 645 00:44:27,264 --> 00:44:30,700 for that versus subject and I think he wants it to make sure 646 00:44:30,735 --> 00:44:32,068 that they are fine. 647 00:44:32,103 --> 00:44:36,305 Chris, you are very famous for this amazing series 648 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:38,240 photos in Tal Afar, 649 00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:39,675 describe the little girl, 650 00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:44,780 this most famous picture the little girl next to the army boots. 651 00:44:44,815 --> 00:44:48,150 Yes. His name turned out to be Samar, Samara Hassan 652 00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:51,921 and he is five years old at the time of drawing. 653 00:44:51,956 --> 00:44:55,124 I think one of the reasons is that photo sort of resonance 654 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,094 it does because it has a kind of empty feeling. 655 00:44:58,129 --> 00:45:01,797 Poor girl alone in the world now 656 00:45:01,832 --> 00:45:03,800 just standing there in the dark, you know. 657 00:45:13,477 --> 00:45:16,212 Chris is reluctant to talk about details 658 00:45:16,247 --> 00:45:19,115 when his work he covered the conflict. 659 00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:22,384 He prefers to talk about his music, for example, 660 00:45:22,419 --> 00:45:26,055 or the latest novel he reads. 661 00:45:26,090 --> 00:45:28,924 Yes, I'm sure many people will say this about Chris 662 00:45:28,959 --> 00:45:31,861 but he can to go to place 663 00:45:31,896 --> 00:45:37,133 he has gone and done the work he did 664 00:45:37,168 --> 00:45:40,937 and still come back and have a little from sane existence. 665 00:45:43,207 --> 00:45:48,377 He knows the cost of war is more than anyone but I never see him talking about it. 666 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:51,947 You know, if anything, he makes that light. 667 00:45:51,982 --> 00:45:54,416 Sometimes we will discuss something and he will say, "Hey, you know, 668 00:45:54,451 --> 00:45:57,319 like that," and, boom, he goes on another subject 669 00:45:57,354 --> 00:45:58,587 and you think, "Oh, 670 00:45:58,622 --> 00:46:00,523 we don't have a conversation I think we will have." 671 00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:07,263 Chris and I will talk for hours and never talk about photography. 672 00:46:07,298 --> 00:46:08,197 Chris talks about ideas. 673 00:46:09,633 --> 00:46:12,401 On the one hand, is the strength of who he is and the strength of his work. 674 00:46:12,436 --> 00:46:18,040 Like, camera is just an extension of soul and intelligence. 675 00:46:18,075 --> 00:46:21,944 He really encouraged me to be more introspective 676 00:46:21,979 --> 00:46:26,816 but also more conscious of the world around you. 677 00:46:30,855 --> 00:46:34,824 There is intensity there, I mean, You can see it at work 678 00:46:34,859 --> 00:46:37,993 but outwardly he doesn't take himself too seriously. 679 00:46:38,028 --> 00:46:40,396 He has the perfect mix intensity and levity 680 00:46:42,166 --> 00:46:47,403 because there are bigger missions here and we have to do it stay focused on that. 681 00:46:52,543 --> 00:46:55,277 I have a career in front of me, I can't let this kill me, 682 00:46:55,312 --> 00:46:59,048 I can't get out of this very messy 683 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:01,284 that I can't work from this point. 684 00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:07,423 So, while it's booming to go back and back and forth, 685 00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:11,026 I do my best, to... 686 00:47:11,061 --> 00:47:14,897 have a normal life here and keep Iraq in Iraq. 687 00:47:17,067 --> 00:47:20,002 I won't let Iraq get the best from me. 688 00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:21,537 You know, I won't do it. 689 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:24,874 Hondros. 690 00:47:32,383 --> 00:47:34,316 I have been a while ago, and again, one of the reasons 691 00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:36,218 I have lasted a long time as I have is keeping 692 00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:40,356 some level distance and sanity from the whole process. 693 00:47:40,391 --> 00:47:42,424 So for my part, what is fun in Iraq. 694 00:47:42,459 --> 00:47:44,994 Well, you know, journalists all stay at this hotel 695 00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:46,562 and we have a party, you know. 696 00:47:48,132 --> 00:47:49,599 There is Joe Raedle. 697 00:47:51,402 --> 00:47:53,869 Penthouse at the Al Hamra hotel 698 00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:58,874 actually is really a great place to go back 699 00:47:58,909 --> 00:48:00,008 when you are out in the field. 700 00:48:01,145 --> 00:48:04,179 Not a luxury penthouse but it's a good penthouse. 701 00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:05,481 Getty Images works hard. 702 00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:09,485 Everyone knows Chris Hondros. He's been there forever. 703 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,353 Um, they know the job. 704 00:48:11,388 --> 00:48:13,389 Wow. Chicken! 705 00:48:13,424 --> 00:48:15,958 - Hondras. -Hondros! 706 00:48:15,993 --> 00:48:17,459 So we all always hang out all the time. 707 00:48:17,494 --> 00:48:19,261 Does that happen dinner together, 708 00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:22,364 we will have a weekly poker game here and there, 709 00:48:22,399 --> 00:48:26,936 and Chris are present all night. 710 00:48:26,971 --> 00:48:30,039 Classic Chris told me, "Oh, okay, you have to come 711 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,107 Getty apartments tonight. " 712 00:48:32,142 --> 00:48:35,444 Looks like we've returned in New York or whatever. 713 00:48:35,479 --> 00:48:37,413 That's pretty much how Chris. 714 00:48:37,448 --> 00:48:39,248 Wherever he goes, you know, 715 00:48:39,283 --> 00:48:42,518 he always trying to bring a normal feeling I think. 716 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:47,957 Maestro, maestro. 717 00:48:54,198 --> 00:48:56,031 Chris called me and he said, "Hey, you know, 718 00:48:56,066 --> 00:48:59,168 I have a concert master from Pittsburgh Symphony 719 00:48:59,203 --> 00:49:01,337 to play Bach "Chaconne" 720 00:49:01,372 --> 00:49:05,107 which is the single most important part ever written for solo instruments 721 00:49:05,142 --> 00:49:08,978 in music history... should. " 722 00:49:14,151 --> 00:49:19,021 And Chris is presented seven-year slideshows his work in Iraq 723 00:49:19,056 --> 00:49:22,624 the time is perfect for movements in music. 724 00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:07,336 725 00:50:10,074 --> 00:50:11,540 I smell what I kiss that night. 726 00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,413 Blood, brain, I mean, have you ever smelled? 727 00:50:20,617 --> 00:50:21,283 You can't forget it. 728 00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:25,187 Other people return and they are welcomed again 729 00:50:25,222 --> 00:50:27,790 with, you know, hugs and what isn't, no, I mean, not me. 730 00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:29,191 I can't connect. 731 00:50:29,593 --> 00:50:31,260 All my friends leave. 732 00:50:32,596 --> 00:50:35,130 So who else can I contact? 733 00:50:35,165 --> 00:50:38,401 So I like, you know what, let's contact Chris, see how it is. 734 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:41,470 And, uh... 735 00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:44,440 And he comes down. 736 00:50:44,475 --> 00:50:47,209 He goes down quite fast and fast. 737 00:50:49,246 --> 00:50:52,247 Um, well, you know Chris and me, we sort of, 738 00:50:52,282 --> 00:50:55,150 we don't even really know what we are going to do 739 00:50:55,185 --> 00:50:57,419 of this if there is, so it's just kind, like, 740 00:50:57,454 --> 00:51:00,756 You know, we just kind of talk to talk about things. 741 00:51:00,791 --> 00:51:03,225 I think it's irrelevant in that you don't say 742 00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:05,360 one of your lieutenants said, "Bring the car out?" 743 00:51:05,395 --> 00:51:06,728 Or in Captain Seabolt says... 744 00:51:06,763 --> 00:51:08,163 The captain. - "Stop the car." 745 00:51:08,198 --> 00:51:11,733 Do you think that you are the only shooting passengers? 746 00:51:11,768 --> 00:51:18,273 I feel fair is responsible for the majority of from injuries. 747 00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:20,676 I feel as if I am killing the pregnant woman. 748 00:51:20,711 --> 00:51:21,710 I feel it. 749 00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:25,181 I feel I hurt Rakan Hassan. 750 00:51:26,283 --> 00:51:28,451 I feel it so that's what makes me... 751 00:51:35,826 --> 00:51:37,493 You don't know for sure even so 752 00:51:37,528 --> 00:51:40,863 yours is the only bullet hit the wife in this case. 753 00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:42,231 No. 754 00:51:42,266 --> 00:51:44,833 You suspect that but, I mean, many people are shooting. 755 00:51:44,868 --> 00:51:46,769 You don't know that for sure. 756 00:51:49,941 --> 00:51:52,341 Every time I go and see in a photo of Chris, 757 00:51:53,644 --> 00:51:55,111 I have to see that. 758 00:51:55,913 --> 00:51:59,448 Even though I know I will experience a nightmare. 759 00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:02,151 I have nightmares every night. 760 00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:07,623 It used to be very bad I will see a Friend walk down the road. 761 00:52:07,658 --> 00:52:09,658 Did you follow what happened to him after that? 762 00:52:09,693 --> 00:52:12,861 Yes, he went to Massachusetts I thought that, 763 00:52:12,896 --> 00:52:17,166 and operated on and now he can walk. 764 00:52:18,502 --> 00:52:19,201 Uh... 765 00:52:21,171 --> 00:52:21,837 Is... 766 00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:27,176 Looks like that... 767 00:52:28,812 --> 00:52:35,317 he was actually killed in several types the incident in Mosul actually. 768 00:52:35,352 --> 00:52:37,686 - Who, what, Bro? - -Mmm-hmm. 769 00:52:37,721 --> 00:52:41,190 There is such a thing as a guerrilla attack in their home 770 00:52:41,225 --> 00:52:44,393 and Rakan killed last summer. 771 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:51,333 I think you might have heard about it Because I was published too. 772 00:52:51,368 --> 00:52:52,034 No. 773 00:52:53,637 --> 00:52:56,438 It's just that they aren't targeted or something weird like that, right? 774 00:52:56,473 --> 00:52:57,472 They seem have been targeted. 775 00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:58,507 Very? 776 00:53:07,751 --> 00:53:11,253 Yes, it's true a pretty good surprise. 777 00:53:11,288 --> 00:53:12,388 I don't know. 778 00:53:14,224 --> 00:53:18,527 And that's because of what we did that he died. 779 00:53:18,562 --> 00:53:19,528 I see... 780 00:53:26,603 --> 00:53:28,437 I want to apologize. 781 00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:29,238 Um... 782 00:53:32,376 --> 00:53:36,946 No matter how many times you say you are sorry. 783 00:53:47,591 --> 00:53:48,424 Sorry. 784 00:53:54,998 --> 00:53:58,233 If the assumptions we have chance to meet Samar 785 00:53:58,268 --> 00:54:00,769 and his family, would you like us to convey the message together? 786 00:54:00,804 --> 00:54:01,971 Right. 787 00:54:03,507 --> 00:54:05,274 Yes, of course. 788 00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:34,563 I never asked Chris if he... 789 00:55:34,598 --> 00:55:37,599 You know, sorry to be involved. 790 00:55:39,669 --> 00:55:40,336 Yes. 791 00:55:41,605 --> 00:55:45,474 Yes, that, I mean, is a question for Chris. Yes. 792 00:55:45,509 --> 00:55:47,008 We all make court decisions. 793 00:55:47,043 --> 00:55:49,545 We all feel sorry for in different ways. 794 00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:57,085 And of course sometimes the consequences are beyond our control. 795 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,987 And there are lots of discussions about 796 00:55:59,022 --> 00:56:00,689 whether reporters or not must do that. 797 00:56:02,826 --> 00:56:05,494 Yes, I think the only person who might question that are the people who aren't there yet. 798 00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:07,429 It's hard to go from a little girl 799 00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:10,732 It sits in the middle of the of the blood of its relatives. 800 00:56:10,767 --> 00:56:15,437 We are human, we are not machines. 801 00:56:15,472 --> 00:56:18,507 I see... 802 00:56:19,776 --> 00:56:20,642 When you speak about war being hell, this is what you mean. 803 00:56:25,882 --> 00:56:28,750 Not just a battlefield type of goods. 804 00:56:28,785 --> 00:56:31,720 805 00:56:31,755 --> 00:56:34,623 When a country says it will go to war, 806 00:56:34,658 --> 00:56:39,461 these are things like that that we can expect 807 00:56:39,496 --> 00:56:41,563 because these are things that happened in war. 808 00:57:05,155 --> 00:57:06,588 Hello, Samar. 809 00:57:06,623 --> 00:57:08,557 Does he understand that my friend is 810 00:57:08,592 --> 00:57:10,725 the photographer who took the photo? 811 00:59:31,868 --> 00:59:34,235 You know I always think is much harder 812 00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:36,037 for photographers when we enter this business 813 00:59:36,072 --> 00:59:38,106 we don't want to talk about objectivity, 814 00:59:38,141 --> 00:59:38,840 then of course balance. 815 00:59:40,009 --> 00:59:42,611 You know, a journalist can go in a situation and say, 816 00:59:42,646 --> 00:59:45,647 "Well, I can always get both sides." 817 00:59:45,682 --> 00:59:48,149 With a photo, actually doesn't exist 818 00:59:48,184 --> 00:59:51,052 sort to balance the image. 819 00:59:51,087 --> 00:59:52,588 Do you think about that? 820 00:59:53,023 --> 00:59:54,456 Sure. 821 00:59:54,491 --> 00:59:57,759 Individual photos of course are difficult to balance in the same way. 822 00:59:59,796 --> 01:00:01,863 In addition, I think overall, 823 01:00:01,898 --> 01:00:04,833 in terms of body work, is possible to achieve 824 01:00:04,868 --> 01:00:06,835 such balance, sort of justice. 825 01:00:10,106 --> 01:00:13,942 I think in my work, I have discussed in Iraq, 826 01:00:13,977 --> 01:00:18,747 I have been embedded with US Soldiers, you know, for months and months. 827 01:00:18,782 --> 01:00:20,682 I have been with Iraqi people in their homes. 828 01:00:22,886 --> 01:00:26,788 You know, I've tried to cover every part of this story is possible to be covered, 829 01:00:26,823 --> 01:00:28,690 and I think if it looks in my overall work, 830 01:00:28,725 --> 01:00:31,727 You see that multifaceted that aspect. 831 01:00:51,681 --> 01:00:54,182 How do you get it These amazing photos 832 01:00:54,217 --> 01:00:56,651 and go to these extraordinary places 833 01:00:56,686 --> 01:01:01,356 where do you internalize deeply human experience? 834 01:01:02,926 --> 01:01:04,893 I will always get telephone calls from him 835 01:01:04,928 --> 01:01:09,064 and conversations we have very often 836 01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:12,200 is Chris on the top of the mountain 837 01:01:12,235 --> 01:01:16,738 in the world, um, lonely. 838 01:01:18,341 --> 01:01:21,676 You know, he's traveling around the world, hanging around, 839 01:01:21,711 --> 01:01:25,914 nice to see, very articulate conflict photographer. 840 01:01:25,949 --> 01:01:29,384 I should many women imagine that 841 01:01:29,419 --> 01:01:32,053 this type matches their film line, 842 01:01:32,088 --> 01:01:33,288 but this is a difficult life. 843 01:01:36,926 --> 01:01:39,894 Is it difficult to have a relationship in what you do? 844 01:01:39,929 --> 01:01:43,698 That's obviously difficult, I mean, we travel, mostly because we travel a lot. 845 01:01:43,733 --> 01:01:46,334 You know, when I went to Iraq, I went for about six weeks normally, 846 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,269 and I go at least every... 847 01:01:48,304 --> 01:01:51,773 two or three times a year since the war began. 848 01:01:51,808 --> 01:01:54,943 Besides that, I don't think it's impossible. 849 01:01:54,978 --> 01:01:57,045 I mean there are many people by consuming jobs 850 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,814 and, you know, for me, has a relationship 851 01:01:59,849 --> 01:02:02,050 is a personal decision and it has many factors 852 01:02:02,085 --> 01:02:05,220 and this is only one of them really. 853 01:02:05,255 --> 01:02:08,957 I'm always rather disturbing him, 854 01:02:08,992 --> 01:02:12,260 I said, "Chris, you are getting older, and trust me, 855 01:02:12,295 --> 01:02:16,965 because I say when you yourself, it smells, okay?" 856 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,267 And he said, "Yes, ma'am, don't worry about that." 857 01:02:28,144 --> 01:02:30,311 I don't think that I have too much hope 858 01:02:30,346 --> 01:02:33,448 after meeting him, through a friend of mine. 859 01:02:33,483 --> 01:02:36,417 He is rather quiet when I met him at first. 860 01:02:36,452 --> 01:02:42,157 So we have many lunch dates and many first dates it seems. 861 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:46,261 And then suddenly, we seem to find our way. 862 01:02:48,832 --> 01:02:52,167 When Chris meets Christina, her fiance, 863 01:02:52,202 --> 01:02:56,771 I think that he found opening for the rest of his life 864 01:02:56,806 --> 01:02:59,941 and that is the way he has been looking for 865 01:02:59,976 --> 01:03:04,979 in several ways to justify change speed 866 01:03:05,014 --> 01:03:07,182 or change the tempo of the objects that he did professionally. 867 01:03:11,921 --> 01:03:15,089 We are very interested in each other because we want a family 868 01:03:15,124 --> 01:03:15,791 and live abroad 869 01:03:17,194 --> 01:03:20,462 and have very curious pleasant life in the world. 870 01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:26,467 I think he has to 10 years 871 01:03:26,502 --> 01:03:29,171 only losing teeth in many ways. 872 01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:34,008 He misses deep connections with someone 873 01:03:34,043 --> 01:03:37,111 and I think he really has it find it with Christina. 874 01:03:37,146 --> 01:03:41,183 He was very happy that he came to that place. 875 01:03:43,219 --> 01:03:46,020 I have a background working with others 876 01:03:46,055 --> 01:03:49,891 that works in conflict areas, so there is always 877 01:03:49,926 --> 01:03:52,560 awareness of risk 878 01:03:52,595 --> 01:03:55,530 and what is involved but I really believe 879 01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:57,832 in the photo the work journalist does 880 01:03:57,867 --> 01:04:00,368 and I'm fine with him going 881 01:04:00,403 --> 01:04:03,238 and we always feel connected 882 01:04:03,273 --> 01:04:06,875 in a different way, so it's not like that sacrifice at all. 883 01:04:10,647 --> 01:04:14,048 It's frustration with young Tunisian unemployment who started it all. 884 01:04:14,083 --> 01:04:15,884 Today, thousands of people take to the streets 885 01:04:15,919 --> 01:04:18,186 demands change in Algeria. 886 01:04:18,221 --> 01:04:21,256 They bring their complaints to the world pay attention to this method. 887 01:04:21,291 --> 01:04:22,390 Tensions are now soaring in Syria. 888 01:04:22,425 --> 01:04:24,392 I remember he turned on TV 889 01:04:24,427 --> 01:04:27,862 and Egypt just started brewing for a few days. 890 01:04:27,897 --> 01:04:31,199 And he's a bit of a pacing back and forth 891 01:04:31,234 --> 01:04:34,235 said, "I think I have to go, I will talk to my boss 892 01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:37,538 and try there Because I think this will be great." 893 01:04:37,573 --> 01:04:41,943 And sure enough, two days later, he was there 894 01:04:41,978 --> 01:04:44,246 and he's right, that's big. 895 01:05:00,663 --> 01:05:02,297 Even while the government insists 896 01:05:02,332 --> 01:05:04,599 that journalists are accepted to report freely in Egypt, 897 01:05:04,634 --> 01:05:06,567 at the end of last week, we are now learning that 898 01:05:06,602 --> 01:05:08,937 from the International Committee to Protect Journalists, 899 01:05:08,972 --> 01:05:10,939 26 reporters have been detained 900 01:05:10,974 --> 01:05:13,107 since last weekend, since Friday. 901 01:05:13,142 --> 01:05:15,410 Seventy one since the protest started and that 902 01:05:15,445 --> 01:05:16,978 is the most appropriate they can calculate. 903 01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:21,015 I interviewed Chris for my book about Iraq 904 01:05:21,050 --> 01:05:24,385 and he spoke specifically about changes in the role of from the media 905 01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:28,256 and he said, "You know, 10, 15 years ago 906 01:05:28,291 --> 01:05:31,426 Western press was something that was approached and needed and today 907 01:05:31,461 --> 01:05:34,062 everyone has their own propaganda wings. They extinguish their own messages 908 01:05:34,097 --> 01:05:36,130 and a Western journalist who is there checking the facts just on the road. " 909 01:05:36,165 --> 01:05:39,968 The number one fundamental change is 910 01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:44,639 if you have media credentials or said media or press 911 01:05:44,674 --> 01:05:48,076 in your vehicle or on your bulletproof jacket 912 01:05:48,111 --> 01:05:50,678 or whatever, you are safe _ unless there is an accident. 913 01:05:50,713 --> 01:05:55,650 You don't go to be targeted. 914 01:05:55,685 --> 01:05:58,286 Now really a different story. 915 01:05:58,321 --> 01:06:01,155 On the way from Benghazi, Libya, 916 01:06:01,190 --> 01:06:03,024 917 01:06:03,059 --> 01:06:06,494 fortress forces against Libyan forces 918 01:06:06,529 --> 01:06:09,163 loyal to Muammar Gaddafi defend their leader. 919 01:06:09,198 --> 01:06:11,566 City of Benghazi, is now the heart of rebellion, 920 01:06:11,601 --> 01:06:12,667 cut to foreign media. 921 01:06:12,702 --> 01:06:16,604 Libya is like a black hole, it is very difficult to look inside. 922 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,272 We have crossed the border into a country 923 01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:20,608 who has been turned off from the world for 42 years 924 01:06:20,643 --> 01:06:24,445 and we are there illegally according to this government. 925 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,648 This is not Cairo or Tunisia where you take photos 926 01:06:27,683 --> 01:06:31,319 street demonstrations, these deadly mortars, 927 01:06:31,354 --> 01:06:34,222 artillery, and war is not a joke, you know. 928 01:06:35,658 --> 01:06:37,592 When I reach Libya, I know it will be bad. 929 01:06:38,795 --> 01:06:42,630 And it gets worse very quickly. 930 01:06:44,067 --> 01:06:47,068 You never know where bad people will come from, 931 01:06:47,103 --> 01:06:50,104 when, how fast things change, 932 01:06:50,139 --> 01:06:54,375 how fast a city or village or city 933 01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:57,078 can change hands from relatively safe 934 01:06:57,113 --> 01:06:59,313 to be fully in control 935 01:06:59,348 --> 01:07:02,550 from the other side and that's what I experienced 936 01:07:02,585 --> 01:07:04,385 when I was arrested in Ajdabiya. 937 01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:06,387 The New York Times said that four of its journalists 938 01:07:06,422 --> 01:07:08,556 Covering the uprising in Libya lost. 939 01:07:08,591 --> 01:07:12,393 One day you are fine and then you don't. 940 01:07:12,428 --> 01:07:16,097 And me and a few others from The New York Times 941 01:07:16,132 --> 01:07:20,802 beaten and put in various prisons in the Libyan desert. 942 01:07:23,206 --> 01:07:26,641 I know Tyler has been arrested. 943 01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:31,379 Don't know what happened to them at that time. 944 01:07:31,414 --> 01:07:35,049 We have heard of refugees outside the city 945 01:07:35,084 --> 01:07:37,118 where there are many things battles occur. 946 01:07:37,153 --> 01:07:39,387 So, we want it to make a story about them. 947 01:07:39,422 --> 01:07:41,389 You know, we are quite careful about making sure 948 01:07:41,424 --> 01:07:44,092 that the story of our refugees will do 949 01:07:44,861 --> 01:07:47,562 is something we can safely. 950 01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:50,731 Are you sure it's behind the battle line? 951 01:07:50,766 --> 01:07:52,767 There is no question we will meet 952 01:07:52,802 --> 01:07:56,304 Gaddafi forces and we believe that, 953 01:07:56,339 --> 01:07:59,140 You know, it's safe. 954 01:08:00,176 --> 01:08:01,076 And... 955 01:08:02,445 --> 01:08:03,578 we... 956 01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:08,816 finally goes right to the front line 957 01:08:08,851 --> 01:08:12,120 from Muammar Gaddafi, um... 958 01:08:15,324 --> 01:08:16,224 army. 959 01:08:17,427 --> 01:08:19,427 Photographer still Joe Raedle goes 960 01:08:19,462 --> 01:08:22,630 skipping Saturday while Covering the conflict in Libya. 961 01:08:22,665 --> 01:08:25,766 They were arrested at gunpoint by Gaddafi's forces. 962 01:08:25,801 --> 01:08:31,439 They took us to a handle area that I thought was like 12 hour drive. 963 01:08:31,474 --> 01:08:35,143 The first thing you see is, when we get out of our truck 964 01:08:36,646 --> 01:08:41,883 there may be 12 people standing with sacks above their heads. 965 01:08:41,918 --> 01:08:42,584 Um... 966 01:08:43,853 --> 01:08:48,123 And then the Gaddafi people all have surgical masks. 967 01:08:49,559 --> 01:08:52,527 So it's beautiful, uh, disturbing vision. 968 01:08:52,562 --> 01:08:55,630 They made us take our equipment and as we experience 969 01:08:55,665 --> 01:08:58,166 this stack, uh, gear, 970 01:08:59,368 --> 01:09:02,503 they have-- New York Times equipment is there too. 971 01:09:02,538 --> 01:09:06,307 I see, I think the name Tyler in his bag or New York Times 972 01:09:06,342 --> 01:09:10,244 and, uh, so we know that they have been in our place, 973 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:11,746 we just don't know if they make it out alive 974 01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:13,381 or not at that time. 975 01:09:13,416 --> 01:09:15,850 What is your detention? 976 01:09:15,885 --> 01:09:16,885 Four days. 977 01:09:18,721 --> 01:09:21,156 But, yes, I'm good, succeed. 978 01:09:22,391 --> 01:09:23,391 Other people don't. 979 01:09:26,262 --> 01:09:29,664 My driver was killed in the process 980 01:09:29,699 --> 01:09:34,169 when we are captured and difficult to process. 981 01:09:36,706 --> 01:09:39,240 Who has a bullet just flies past it 982 01:09:39,275 --> 01:09:42,243 and who is the person who is hit and why? 983 01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:45,280 They don't kill us 984 01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:50,251 but, of course puts me some psychological, uh... 985 01:09:51,587 --> 01:09:52,520 upside down. 986 01:09:54,557 --> 01:09:57,858 You know, ends with them saying that to me, 987 01:09:57,893 --> 01:10:00,261 punching me and telling me if I will... 988 01:10:07,470 --> 01:10:11,739 go home in a box, so, you know, that something is difficult to handle. 989 01:10:13,909 --> 01:10:17,612 We can get it released after a terrible time 990 01:10:17,647 --> 01:10:24,585 and Chris said, "Well, he can't go out and no one welcomed him. 991 01:10:24,620 --> 01:10:27,521 He will need a hug after this and he will need a hug 992 01:10:27,556 --> 01:10:29,690 from one of his friends and co-workers. 993 01:10:29,725 --> 01:10:30,592 So I will go there. " 994 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:32,527 So he goes. 995 01:10:33,630 --> 01:10:35,230 You know that looks like your sister. 996 01:10:37,733 --> 01:10:38,933 Everything will be fine. 997 01:10:49,478 --> 01:10:51,479 I think we tried not thinking about it 998 01:10:51,514 --> 01:10:54,615 but we all know that something like that it can happen 999 01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:57,485 and the fabric profession 1000 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,888 is about risk and danger, so we try not to talk about it too much 1001 01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:02,357 but I think when that happens, members 1002 01:11:03,826 --> 01:11:06,294 International Journalism Community Photography, 1003 01:11:06,329 --> 01:11:09,664 everyone tries to advance and help and is there for them. 1004 01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:14,368 When do you learn that Chris will go to Libya? 1005 01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:17,838 I know someone will enter , you know? So, uh... 1006 01:11:17,873 --> 01:11:20,608 I mean, he replaced me. 1007 01:11:23,379 --> 01:11:24,645 1008 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,681 We have a long conversation in my office 1009 01:11:26,716 --> 01:11:29,350 with both of them, with Chris and with Joe 1010 01:11:30,353 --> 01:11:33,854 only in the next room and it's like, 1011 01:11:33,889 --> 01:11:36,357 "Surely this is a warning." 1012 01:11:38,361 --> 01:11:42,863 And that is, "No, this is the big story." 1013 01:11:42,898 --> 01:11:46,434 He called me and he said, "Well, I decided to go to Libya." 1014 01:11:48,504 --> 01:11:50,672 And in the light of conversations we just experienced, 1015 01:11:52,641 --> 01:11:54,842 I remember asking him, you know, 1016 01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:57,978 "Why did you go to Libya? Come on." You know? 1017 01:11:58,013 --> 01:11:59,947 "You just spoke about your marriage, 1018 01:11:59,982 --> 01:12:01,482 why do you have to be there?" 1019 01:12:03,753 --> 01:12:05,353 I remember saying to him, 1020 01:12:06,122 --> 01:12:10,524 "I'm tired of seeing AK-47 in the desert 1021 01:12:10,559 --> 01:12:13,061 and if I'm numb, 1022 01:12:15,364 --> 01:12:17,832 how many people have just numbed him? 1023 01:12:17,867 --> 01:12:20,702 And it's not even registered emotional response again. " 1024 01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:25,072 A few weeks later I see the front page 1025 01:12:25,107 --> 01:12:28,542 from The Washington Post on my computer one morning. 1026 01:12:28,577 --> 01:12:32,413 And I type on Facebook a little note for him, 1027 01:12:32,448 --> 01:12:36,550 " My brother, that's the best picture damn AK-47 1028 01:12:36,585 --> 01:12:38,619 in the desert I have ever seen. " 1029 01:12:42,491 --> 01:12:45,860 This is Chris Hondros. I am in Libya today. 1030 01:12:45,895 --> 01:12:51,966 Visit www.Hokijudi99.id Trusted Secure Online Gambling Agent 1031 01:12:56,806 --> 01:12:59,607 I get a message from Chris who says" Libya? " 1032 01:13:01,076 --> 01:13:03,911 That unusual because he always tries 1033 01:13:03,946 --> 01:13:06,647 to make me come to Baghdad or Afghanistan 1034 01:13:06,682 --> 01:13:09,850 or wherever the story happens so we can 1035 01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:11,419 report together again. 1036 01:13:12,988 --> 01:13:14,555 I always say no. 1037 01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:19,627 And I have many reasons 1038 01:13:19,662 --> 01:13:22,663 I have used in the past to be used again, 1039 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,169 and the idea not to go never crossed my mind. 1040 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,608 We are in an area controlled by the rebels in Benghazi and, you know, that's pretty much the wild west _ out there. 1041 01:13:34,643 --> 01:13:37,845 Our days are spent driving from relative security from our hotel 1042 01:13:39,915 --> 01:13:43,150 to the front line from conflict. 1043 01:13:43,185 --> 01:13:45,653 And that's about one hour and a half or two hours of travel. 1044 01:13:45,688 --> 01:13:48,522 One of the great things about Chris is its ability 1045 01:13:48,557 --> 01:13:50,491 to sort of let your attitude a little and ease the mood. 1046 01:13:50,526 --> 01:13:54,962 I remember one day we were driving in a car 1047 01:13:54,997 --> 01:13:56,897 and we are heading towards God who knows what 1048 01:13:56,932 --> 01:13:59,767 towards the front line where people are killed that day 1049 01:13:59,802 --> 01:14:02,736 1050 01:14:02,771 --> 01:14:06,507 and Chris asks everyone in the car, 1051 01:14:06,542 --> 01:14:08,176 "How do you order flowers for marriage?" 1052 01:14:09,879 --> 01:14:11,846 That is a reminder that is this other life 1053 01:14:11,881 --> 01:14:15,015 waiting for it after this task is complete. 1054 01:14:15,050 --> 01:14:16,951 And that's also the way for all of us 1055 01:14:16,986 --> 01:14:19,520 to divert our minds from what is coming. 1056 01:14:22,791 --> 01:14:24,458 Allahu Akbar! 1057 01:14:24,493 --> 01:14:28,162 To say this front is liquid is a serious statement. 1058 01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:31,665 Here we are again at the gate of Ajdabiya 1059 01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:34,101 which has now become frontal defensive position 1060 01:14:34,136 --> 01:14:36,904 rebels in eastern Libya. 1061 01:14:40,075 --> 01:14:42,209 These kids only play war. 1062 01:14:42,244 --> 01:14:44,111 Harmful to them, is dangerous to us. 1063 01:14:44,146 --> 01:14:45,980 If you think about it, is like, 1064 01:14:46,015 --> 01:14:47,515 if you really delete it, 1065 01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:49,583 this is only observer, teenager, 1066 01:14:49,618 --> 01:14:51,852 they don't even have weapons, they don't even pretend they have weapons. 1067 01:14:51,887 --> 01:14:54,488 Basically we stand here, if you see it, 1068 01:14:54,523 --> 01:14:58,492 obviously with three or four armed trucks. 1069 01:14:58,527 --> 01:15:00,995 We stand here with three or four trucks 1070 01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:02,963 which actually has ammunition, 1071 01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:07,201 so, against the Libyan army, which is completely forged, 1072 01:15:07,236 --> 01:15:09,604 mechanical and armed road with who knows how much. 1073 01:15:15,544 --> 01:15:17,511 What I hear is that it's kind of amateur hour 1074 01:15:17,546 --> 01:15:20,614 there and there all these young photographers 1075 01:15:20,649 --> 01:15:22,149 running around with cellphones and like 1076 01:15:22,184 --> 01:15:23,718 and that's true is very worried about me. 1077 01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:29,290 I know Chris and Team are traveling with 1078 01:15:29,325 --> 01:15:31,592 which of course makes me feel much better 1079 01:15:31,627 --> 01:15:33,894 because one of the most dangerous things you can do 1080 01:15:33,929 --> 01:15:37,264 go to war situation with inexperienced people , 1081 01:15:37,299 --> 01:15:39,567 who don't have medical training, 1082 01:15:39,602 --> 01:15:41,302 Who might not be will hold it together. 1083 01:15:43,005 --> 01:15:44,672 Allahu Akbar! 1084 01:15:46,809 --> 01:15:50,110 There are all these young people the generation of journalists who follow him 1085 01:15:50,145 --> 01:15:53,547 and they follow it in Cairo, you see the pictures on Facebook, 1086 01:15:53,582 --> 01:15:55,883 he is surrounded by by all these people. 1087 01:15:55,918 --> 01:15:58,752 I don't know, it bothers me that he doesn't work alone. 1088 01:15:58,787 --> 01:16:01,622 Too many people around you are a distraction. 1089 01:16:01,657 --> 01:16:03,857 Photography solitary profession, must. 1090 01:16:03,892 --> 01:16:04,559 There is a reason for that. 1091 01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:09,029 And to align and relate to your own feelings 1092 01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:12,166 and your environment and what happened. 1093 01:16:27,383 --> 01:16:30,785 -Guest God! -Allah is the Greatest! 1094 01:16:41,230 --> 01:16:42,330 Let's go, Chris. 1095 01:17:11,093 --> 01:17:12,660 Wait! Wait! Wait! 1096 01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:19,967 More experienced seasoned photographers, 1097 01:17:20,002 --> 01:17:23,671 they see younger people trying to enter this business 1098 01:17:23,706 --> 01:17:25,706 and they might be able to help here and there, 1099 01:17:25,741 --> 01:17:29,777 but they really won't try to like to take you under their wings 1100 01:17:29,812 --> 01:17:32,346 or care about you as much as Chris did. 1101 01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:36,417 He really wants, like, make sure the younger ones 1102 01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:38,719 photographer or reporter, 1103 01:17:38,754 --> 01:17:41,855 sort of, stay together and be safe 1104 01:17:41,890 --> 01:17:43,857 and you know, they feel a way is responsible for us 1105 01:17:43,892 --> 01:17:47,161 and that is something I feel very grateful 1106 01:17:47,196 --> 01:17:50,764 and also I feel like that will be fine. 1107 01:17:50,799 --> 01:17:51,865 We might have to get out. 1108 01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:53,300 Yes, it sounds rather hairy. 1109 01:17:53,335 --> 01:17:54,368 - What do you think? 1110 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,213 No... 1111 01:18:08,817 --> 01:18:11,085 Chris always recalibrate where he stands, 1112 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,987 walking around, you can just look at the spinning wheel, 1113 01:18:14,022 --> 01:18:15,121 he constantly frames, 1114 01:18:15,157 --> 01:18:17,692 You can see his eyes moving the entire frame. 1115 01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:22,796 He is not confused. 1116 01:18:22,831 --> 01:18:26,734 He is very aware of those things it can be wrong. 1117 01:18:26,769 --> 01:18:28,769 He is constantly doing mental calculus. 1118 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:35,242 And I see how he has evolved and became an adult as a photographer, 1119 01:18:35,277 --> 01:18:36,877 really at the top of the game 1120 01:18:36,912 --> 01:18:38,846 the last few days when together. 1121 01:18:44,887 --> 01:18:45,786 Yes. 1122 01:18:48,957 --> 01:18:53,761 We have about 45 minutes to make it safe. 1123 01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:10,043 GOOD. 1124 01:19:10,078 --> 01:19:11,846 See you soon, see ya. 1125 01:19:13,482 --> 01:19:14,815 Ooh! 1126 01:19:15,784 --> 01:19:17,485 Get out of here, no problem. 1127 01:19:26,195 --> 01:19:30,230 I last saw Chris on Wednesday April 13 1128 01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:31,965 in the lobby hotel in Benghazi. 1129 01:19:35,037 --> 01:19:39,973 Chris's last words for me are, "We caught you out of here without injury." 1130 01:19:40,008 --> 01:19:42,209 Even another day with... 1131 01:19:42,244 --> 01:19:45,012 I hope I will do it hug her a little longer 1132 01:19:45,047 --> 01:19:47,481 when we embrace and say goodbye for the last time. 1133 01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:01,295 In Benghazi, there is a front line. 1134 01:20:01,330 --> 01:20:04,998 That is not always clear because this is not a professional fighter, 1135 01:20:05,033 --> 01:20:09,136 they will fall asleep on the front line, they will do it run away during the battle. 1136 01:20:09,171 --> 01:20:10,370 Misrata is different. 1137 01:20:10,405 --> 01:20:12,239 Misrata is a siege 1138 01:20:12,274 --> 01:20:17,044 and we will enter can cover humanitarian crisis occurs 1139 01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:18,045 and you could say that war crimes occur. 1140 01:20:20,048 --> 01:20:24,051 So we boarded a boat, some reporters including Chris and Tim Hetherington. 1141 01:20:24,086 --> 01:20:25,486 That is a 17 hour trip. 1142 01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:31,024 We get to Misrata and you are surrounded by water. 1143 01:20:31,059 --> 01:20:32,893 Regime forces on the other side 1144 01:20:32,928 --> 01:20:35,229 and battle zone in the city center. 1145 01:20:35,264 --> 01:20:38,098 And there is no place to go unless you ride the boat 1146 01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:41,035 and exit, and even the port is under fire all the time. 1147 01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:50,244 It's a bit difficult to find a place to live there, 1148 01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:54,314 so the rebels are like home host all journalists. 1149 01:20:54,349 --> 01:20:56,216 There are many of us basically sleep 1150 01:20:56,251 --> 01:20:59,152 on mattresses in various places around the living room. 1151 01:21:02,457 --> 01:21:06,860 So, on the morning of the 20th, I remember Chris was there 1152 01:21:06,895 --> 01:21:09,963 on the sofa read Pride and Prejudice 1153 01:21:09,998 --> 01:21:14,568 or something very strange in this conflict situation. 1154 01:21:14,603 --> 01:21:17,170 And, uh, I think I went first 1155 01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:19,873 and then it's Chris and Tim and the whole group 1156 01:21:19,908 --> 01:21:22,309 who decides to go to Jalan Tripoli. 1157 01:21:22,344 --> 01:21:24,278 One of the front lines of Misrata 1158 01:21:24,313 --> 01:21:25,412 is on Tripoli Street. 1159 01:21:26,448 --> 01:21:28,582 And part of the path opens, 1160 01:21:28,617 --> 01:21:31,151 so you can really, You can drive there 1161 01:21:31,186 --> 01:21:34,455 and you can sort around and see the damage. 1162 01:21:42,164 --> 01:21:43,430 There are big ones crowd, 1163 01:21:43,465 --> 01:21:44,999 they are shooting in the building. 1164 01:21:48,971 --> 01:21:51,338 It seems, some snipers inside. 1165 01:21:54,009 --> 01:21:56,443 And we will have people in the field with light artillery shooting at the building. 1166 01:21:56,478 --> 01:21:58,345 shooting at the building. 1167 01:22:13,395 --> 01:22:16,129 It's like very dangerous place to be. 1168 01:22:16,164 --> 01:22:20,067 One of the men who is at my side has just been shot in the head. 1169 01:22:26,975 --> 01:22:27,708 Last. 1170 01:22:43,158 --> 01:22:43,991 We are ready. 1171 01:23:00,375 --> 01:23:04,544 They try to burn tires to make it out. 1172 01:23:04,579 --> 01:23:05,646 They will not come out. 1173 01:23:10,085 --> 01:23:11,318 This oil is old. 1174 01:23:13,121 --> 01:23:16,156 Someone like, lit a fire on the stairs 1175 01:23:16,191 --> 01:23:17,991 and everyone starts running out of the building 1176 01:23:18,026 --> 01:23:19,093 because of smoke. 1177 01:23:27,736 --> 01:23:29,503 Hetherington is upstairs... 1178 01:23:32,107 --> 01:23:33,373 stuck at some point 1179 01:23:33,409 --> 01:23:37,677 and basically must exit the building on the stairs. 1180 01:23:37,712 --> 01:23:42,015 The situation is very crazy for a while 1181 01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:47,421 and then calm down a little a little because I think they killed these people 1182 01:23:47,456 --> 01:23:50,524 so we decided to go back. 1183 01:23:50,559 --> 01:23:52,126 Guillermo, are you okay, friend? 1184 01:23:57,732 --> 01:24:01,101 We return home so we can submit our work. 1185 01:24:04,506 --> 01:24:08,208 And at one point, is likely to come back here, 1186 01:24:08,243 --> 01:24:12,579 I don't know where, and I said, "Yes, why not? 1187 01:24:12,614 --> 01:24:16,049 Some others will return and, at first, like, 1188 01:24:16,084 --> 01:24:19,052 "No way, I won't come back. It's impossible." 1189 01:24:19,087 --> 01:24:21,188 You know, and Chris won't come back. 1190 01:24:22,324 --> 01:24:24,591 I remember that was a kind of division 1191 01:24:24,626 --> 01:24:28,395 between humans, to return or not. 1192 01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:34,101 And I think Mike and Chris aren't really back. 1193 01:24:34,136 --> 01:24:39,372 There has been a lot of talk about it what decision entered that day. 1194 01:24:39,407 --> 01:24:42,476 I don't think we will have it answers that are 100% clear 1195 01:24:42,511 --> 01:24:46,379 about how things really go down, um, and why. 1196 01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:48,849 We don't have the luxury of to be able to ask him 1197 01:24:48,884 --> 01:24:51,518 why did he decide to return. 1198 01:25:03,665 --> 01:25:05,799 So when we arrived at dusk, 1199 01:25:05,834 --> 01:25:08,168 nothing happens, that's weird. 1200 01:25:08,203 --> 01:25:10,804 You can't hear gunshots, you know. 1201 01:25:10,839 --> 01:25:13,673 But you can feel tension. 1202 01:25:13,708 --> 01:25:15,642 We started walking near the building 1203 01:25:15,677 --> 01:25:17,844 that we spent the morning at then 1204 01:25:17,879 --> 01:25:22,182 maybe only 100 feet past the building, 1205 01:25:22,217 --> 01:25:25,252 a few hundred feet, that's when... 1206 01:25:27,489 --> 01:25:28,555 mortar entry. 1207 01:25:42,404 --> 01:25:43,503 Thirty minutes after one hour, 1208 01:25:43,539 --> 01:25:45,672 let's give you a check the main story this morning. 1209 01:25:45,707 --> 01:25:49,209 The battle for Libya has claimed the lives of of two Western photo journalists, 1210 01:25:49,244 --> 01:25:50,577 Chris Hondros and Tim Hetherington. 1211 01:25:50,612 --> 01:25:53,313 They are covering the battle between the rebels and Gaddafi 1212 01:25:53,348 --> 01:25:55,215 forces on the front line in Misrata. 1213 01:25:56,685 --> 01:25:58,685 American photographer Chris Hondros 1214 01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,289 from Getty Photo Agency died within a few hours 1215 01:26:02,324 --> 01:26:04,858 receive destructive brain injury. 1216 01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:07,394 British-born photographer and Oscar-nominated director 1217 01:26:07,429 --> 01:26:10,730 The Hetherington team died earlier in the same incident 1218 01:26:10,765 --> 01:26:13,233 in the western Libyan city from Misrata. 1219 01:26:14,903 --> 01:26:16,703 Shrapnel from explosion 1220 01:26:16,738 --> 01:26:20,373 kill both Hetherington who was born in England and Hondros America. 1221 01:26:20,408 --> 01:26:21,875 Two others were injured. 1222 01:27:26,474 --> 01:27:30,744 I'm always... I'm always very, very proud of him. 1223 01:27:30,779 --> 01:27:37,317 He has a dangerous job but we talk about it many times. 1224 01:27:37,352 --> 01:27:42,789 You see, that's the decision, it's the job, he likes it. 1225 01:27:44,426 --> 01:27:47,994 I'm still a little angry that he must go, 1226 01:27:48,029 --> 01:27:52,899 but I always say he does more live in 41 years 1227 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:55,369 of some men 100 years old. 1228 01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:01,808 You know I have been a photographer since I was 16 years old. 1229 01:28:01,843 --> 01:28:04,645 I don't know what I will do if I don't do this. 1230 01:28:07,449 --> 01:28:09,482 Despite being a war photographer 1231 01:28:09,517 --> 01:28:14,521 You see so much destruction and you see so much humanity 1232 01:28:14,556 --> 01:28:17,023 worst, this for me is balanced by that fact 1233 01:28:17,058 --> 01:28:19,326 You also see humanity often the best. 1234 01:28:19,361 --> 01:28:22,495 I have seen it like that example of courage and such examples 1235 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:26,800 human generosity in my work as well and for me 1236 01:28:26,835 --> 01:28:30,304 it's already balanced for all the horrible things that I've seen. 1237 01:28:53,862 --> 01:28:57,564 In 2003, I was just a photographer, still a photographer, 1238 01:28:57,599 --> 01:29:00,567 and I actually want to be a photo journalist. 1239 01:29:00,602 --> 01:29:03,503 Chris Hondros came here to tell our story 1240 01:29:03,538 --> 01:29:06,740 that brought the war to an end so I learned a lot. 1241 01:29:06,775 --> 01:29:08,842 2005 he returned, we worked together. 1242 01:29:10,545 --> 01:29:12,879 He gave me this scene and I was there. 1243 01:29:14,616 --> 01:29:18,418 I am now a staff photographer for Europeans Pressphoto Agency. 1244 01:29:22,624 --> 01:29:25,358 So I always imagine him with the angle I took, 1245 01:29:25,393 --> 01:29:27,494 it's always come to my head. 1246 01:29:33,768 --> 01:29:37,771 I feel spiritual that Chris is in me. 1247 01:29:40,141 --> 01:29:42,476 Submitted by: www.subtitlecinema.com