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(footsteps stop)
(panting girl)

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(static)

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Girl:
Hey!
Here!

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(stop static)

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(girls panting)
(chirping crickets)

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(twig locked)

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(panting girl)

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Girl:
Please!

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(girl grunts)

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(feedback)

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(static)

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(girl's shout)

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(click computer mouse)

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(playing unpleasant music)

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(sirens approach)

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♪ ♪

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(sirens approach)

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Distributor on telephone:
911, what is the address?
from your emergency

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Officer: Waukesha County,
I will move
a caller in Big Bend.

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It's a dead end
right south of Rivera.

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Sender: okay
Officer: He came
a 12 year old woman.

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He appears
has been stabbed

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Sender:
What does he look like?

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Officer: stabbed.
Dispatcher: stabbed?

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Officer:
Right.

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On Saturday, May 31, 2014, at around 09.50 in the morning,

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Waukesha
Police Department
told

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by those concerned
citizens

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that a 12 year old girl
stabbed

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in the
area of Big Bend Road
in the city of Waukesha.

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Female reporter:
The puncture brings a large
police presence to the area,

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main quest
with land and air
looking for two other girls

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Anissa Weier
and Morgan Geyser

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accused of
piercing their friends

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and let it die.

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Male reporter:
Weier and Geyser lure Payton
into the forest

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Male reporter 2:
The police say that's when the Geyser,
holds the knife,

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told by Weier,
"Go ballistic, be crazy."

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♪ ♪

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Lawyer:
And what happened?

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Payton said,
"Then he started."

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Male Reporter 3:
Geysers start stabbing
12 years,

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When he screamed, 19 times
with a five-inch knife.

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Sheriff: In a hug,
feet, and torso.

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Male reporter:
One knife wound
Passing a large artery

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near his heart
only one millimeter

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♪ ♪

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Female reporter 2:
Somehow Payton survived.

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He crawled out of the forest from the
Female reporter 3:
A cyclist finds
on the sidewalk,

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bloodstained
and ask for help.

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When asked who attacked him,
He said, "My friend."

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Police say suspects
are inspired by the character

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on the website
is called Creepypasta,

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a site filled with
with scary stories

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Well, the story is they follow

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is about characters
called Slenderman.

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A high fictional boogeyman
is displayed on an internet blog.

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Slenderman, faceless ghost

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many parents tend to
never hear.

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Female reporter 4:
If you don't know
who is Slenderman -

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well, we don't,
but many young people do it.

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If you don't know
who is Slenderman,
you live under a rock.

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Who is that?

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(static)
(boys scream)
Run!
Running!
Running!

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God, run!
No, run away!

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Boy 2:
Oh my God!
Girl: Oh my God!

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male reporter 2:
Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser

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found walking
near interstate

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They then told the police
they planned to walk

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to Slenderman's house.

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Female reporter 5:
Who is the police saying that?  the young suspect claims
they want fun

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Detective Trussoni:
Anissa feels as if
she needs to prove it

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that Slenderman exists
and will be able to do that
by killing someone

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And Morgan said
that his family would be
in danger if not.

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Prosecutors accuse
the girls as adults

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If proven guilty of the charge,

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every 12 year face

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to 65 years in prison

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(static)

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(Morgan speaks
without further ado)

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(Detective Casey speaks)

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(Morgan talks)

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♪ ♪

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(Detective Trussoni
speaks on video)

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(crying)

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(Casey speaks
without further ado)

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(Morgan speaks
on video)

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(Casey speaks)

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(Morgan speaks)

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(Casey speaks)

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(Morgan speaks)

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♪ ♪

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Lawyer: Does it seem?
for you at any point during your
interview with Morgan

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that he is sorry
about what he has done?

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Not at all

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Lawyer:
Does he cry at all
during your interview with him?

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There is no emotion
from him at all

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♪ ♪

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Lawyer:
Are you, after discussing
the incident itself,

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chatting
with Payton

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about how he feels
about Morgan and Anissa
at this time?

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He said
that Morgan had to be imprisoned
for the rest of his life...

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and that Anissa should be
going to prison too, but not for long

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because he was involved
but he didn't stab him.

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He just stands there
and watches.

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♪ ♪

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Angie Geyser on video:
Hai, Morgan.

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(chatter)
Angie:
Hi, Morgan.

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(discordant note)

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Angie:
Morgan is a surprise.

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And I don't know how it feels
about it at first...

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But I know I love him.

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Yay!

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Angie:
And he changed
our lives drastically

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and get better.

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(babbling)

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Angie:
Morgan is always weird,

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and he always walks
for his own drum beat.

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Even from--
from a little in...

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he doesn't care
what people think of him,

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which I think is
beautiful nature,
especially for - for a girl.

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Girls are usually so -

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so self-conscious
and worried about--

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about what other people think about them,
and Morgan have never been like that.

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You know, he just...
(sighs)

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He always does it
Art thing,

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and if people don't like it,

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good, it's
their problem
(chuckles)

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Kitties and puppies
are not wild animals

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Angie:
No, that's right.
They do not.
They are pets.

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Angie:
I have a camera on his face

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for a good portion
his childhood,

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so I think he fell ill
it sometimes
(imitates meowing)

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He really is real
miniature baby grand piano
for Christmas one year

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(playing music, singing)
And he will sit there
for a long time,

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just make up
sweet little song

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And we tried
to capture as many of them as possible
as we can in the video,

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but usually immediately
when he realizes that
we pay attention

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or record it,
he will stop
(chuckles)

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♪ They will stay lost forever ♪

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(crying, sobbing)

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One thing about Morgan
that always hits us...

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as a bit...
strangely is that he...

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(sighs)
He doesn't react like that

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that you will
expect him to react...

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like in a cinema

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Like, if something bad happens
for the main character, he...

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he doesn't want
to have empathy for them

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♪ ♪
Bambi, come here

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Seeing.

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New spring grass

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Angie:
I remember watching "Bambi"
with him for the first time

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We are very worried
to watch with him,

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because we thought
he would be very angry
when - when the mother died

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♪ ♪
Bambi, hurry up!
Shrub

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(gunshots)

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Faster
Faster, Bambi!

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Don't look back!
Keep running!
Keep running!

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(gunshots)

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But the mother died,
and Morgan just said,

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"Run Bambi, run!
Get out of there,
Save yourself!"

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(laughs) You know?
And he is not sad about it.

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♪ ♪
(panting)
We succeed!

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We succeed, Mother!

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We...

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Mother!

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And I can think of...
(sniffles)

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many other examples
along that line

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where he hasn't reacted
on the way

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we will expect
a little girl reacts.

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♪ ♪
(static)

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Angie:
We are aware that Morgan
is interested in Slenderman.

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(distorted scream)
(static)

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He will show us
some
characters and some stories.

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While I'm not happy
about his interests,

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I don't really see
Damage too.

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We never thought
for a moment he...

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He might be able to believe
is real.

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When am I
Age Morgan, I--

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I remember
cycling from the
library with Stephen King "It."

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You know, so I like
that kind of thing
when I am his age,

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and I think most kids
are like
scary stories and horror films and...

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scary stories
on the Internet, you know
So, that's all we are -

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that's all
we think that.

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I can't imagine it...

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I can't imagine him coming
with the plan itself.

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♪ My bonnie... ♪

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♪ My bonnie is lying
over the ocean ♪

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♪ My bonnie
is located above the sea ♪

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♪ My bonnie is lying
over the ocean ♪

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♪ So bring back my
bonnie to me ♪

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(birds singing)

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♪ Bring it back, bring it back ♪

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♪ Oh, bring me back
bonnie to me ♪

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♪ Bring it back!
♪

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♪ Bring it back ♪
♪ Back ♪

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♪ Oh, bring it back
my bonnie to me ♪
♪ Bonnie... I'm ♪

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(mouse click)

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Bill Weier: He lost his teeth, so a tooth fairy gave him a dollar  The tooth.

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I told him -
I like, "one dollar?"

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I said,
"I only have a place to live
from a tooth fairy."

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(chuckles)
He is happy.

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Tooth Fairy
gives him one dollar

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(mouse click)

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This is the last video
I have already.

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This is the end of his life
the sixth year for school.

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Chorus:
♪ Hush, hush,
someone calls my name ♪

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♪ HUSH!
Someone
call my name ♪

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♪ Hush, hush,
someone calls my name ♪

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♪ My Lord, oh my Lord, what should I do?
♪

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(Bill sighs)

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Yes, this belongs to Anissa
the bedroom is very pink

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At that time
that we painted this,
pink is the thing.

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(snoring)

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Anissa is the person.
Tiger is Anissa's cat.

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After Anissa goes...

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he will come here
and he will spend a lot of time

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just walk around,
nosing around,

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looking for Anissa

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You know, nobody uses...

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His bed while he is gone.

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I don't know,
Maybe it's a cat, but...

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I think it makes more sense
to separate everything

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and wash it
and when he comes home,

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everything is clean
and ready to go.

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This is only a matter of when.

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He will come
here to practice choir.

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He worked on the project
that he had to face FaceTime

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with two or three different children  from this flight academy class
he entered

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Because I enter
regularly.

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I only know,
"What are you doing?"

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I see faces on the iPad.
"Okay, who are you talking to?"

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You know, "what are you doing?"

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And then you know, almost every day...

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You know, 7:30, "Anissa,
you're done with your iPad.

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00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:48,029
Turn it off,
down,
With your family."

246
00:15:48,073 --> 00:15:51,366
And he never denied.

247
00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:54,786


248
00:15:56,706 --> 00:16:01,125
People ask me whether I see
signs on my daughter
and this and that.

249
00:16:01,169 --> 00:16:04,504
And I'm like,
"No. I know what
he does here

250
00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:08,925
Because when he doesn't do it
practice choir,
The door is open."

251
00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:12,345
You know, all kids -

252
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:14,681
not only Anissa,
they are all--
they know...

253
00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:18,726
There are no closed doors
in this house unless you...

254
00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:20,937
fresh from the bathroom
or get ready to sleep.

255
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:23,398
I see...

256
00:16:24,859 --> 00:16:27,068
for people to say...

257
00:16:28,113 --> 00:16:29,779
I'm not involved...

258
00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:36,577
Besides sitting
in a corner and watching
every movement he makes,

259
00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:38,579
I don't know how many
are more involved I can already

260
00:16:38,623 --> 00:16:42,125
♪ ♪

261
00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:43,960
My focus is Anissa...

262
00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:46,003
not Slenderman.

263
00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:04,939
♪ ♪

264
00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,177
(click camera)
(chain clink)

265
00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:43,394
Forensic men in the video:
And what's your name?

266
00:17:43,438 --> 00:17:46,147
Anissa Weier.
Anissa, okay

267
00:17:46,191 --> 00:17:48,566
(click camera)

268
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:50,067
Okay, just type...

269
00:17:50,111 --> 00:17:52,153
give me a look
See me

270
00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:55,823
♪ ♪

271
00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:06,334
(whispered man)
Morgan.

272
00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,671
How are you?
Morgan:
Good.

273
00:18:10,715 --> 00:18:11,756
Humans:
Come on up

274
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,841
(forensic men speak
in videos)

275
00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:17,720
(Morgan speaks)
Morgan, alright.

276
00:18:32,403 --> 00:18:35,071
(people whisper)

277
00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:42,870
(Morgan speaks
on video)

278
00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,250
(Casey speaks)

279
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:48,626
(Morgan speaks)

280
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,052
(Casey speaks)

281
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,283
(Anissa speaks)

282
00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:21,450
(Trussoni speaks)

283
00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:30,167
Hmm.

284
00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:33,170
Good.

285
00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,259
Bailiff:
Everything goes up, please

286
00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,930
Judge Bohren:
I thank you.
Please, sit.

287
00:19:45,935 --> 00:19:50,730
The court will call this problem,
The state of Wisconsin versus
Morgan E. Geysers

288
00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:54,483
and also the country versus
Anissa E. Weier.

289
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:59,155
Good morning.
The case is here today
on several things.

290
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:04,327
First thing
I will address is a problem
from... competence.

291
00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:07,830
(Trussoni speaks
on video)

292
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,542
(Anissa speaks)
They are happy--
they--

293
00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:14,211
(crying)

294
00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,226
(Casey speaks)

295
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,232
(Morgan speaks)

296
00:20:41,032 --> 00:20:42,406
(Morgan speaks on video)
(Casey speaks)

297
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,707
Morgan on video:
Uhh...

298
00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,754
(no-nonsense)

299
00:20:59,884 --> 00:21:01,717
(Trussoni speaks)

300
00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:09,266
(crying)
I see...
♪ ♪

301
00:21:11,229 --> 00:21:13,062
(no clear dialogue)

302
00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:22,279
There are stays
the previous night

303
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:24,407
for Morgan's 12th birthday.

304
00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:30,037
We know that
is Anissa, Morgan,

305
00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:34,375
and third girl
that we have never met...

306
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:39,422
and that they are all
at Morgan's house

307
00:21:39,465 --> 00:21:41,757
Angie:
Morgan and Anissa have
only know each other

308
00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:44,051
since they start
sixth grade.

309
00:21:44,095 --> 00:21:46,679
They meet because of them -
They take the same bus.

310
00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:48,514
♪ ♪

311
00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:52,893
We are very happy
Morgan has made
good friends

312
00:21:52,937 --> 00:21:57,231
So - so close, other people
in the environment.

313
00:21:57,275 --> 00:22:00,860
(sniffles) Us--
We are very happy for him...

314
00:22:00,903 --> 00:22:02,778
to have someone
play with.

315
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,948
♪ ♪

316
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:11,996
(Trussoni speaks
in video)

317
00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:21,297
(sniffles)

318
00:22:22,216 --> 00:22:23,382
Uh huh.
Good.

319
00:22:23,426 --> 00:22:26,635
My name is Bella,
and I am nominated

320
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,513
to do Ice Bucket Challenge
for ALS by...

321
00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:32,975
Morgan and Bella have known each other since kindergarten,

322
00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:36,645
and they are good friends
since fourth grade.

323
00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:39,190
Humans:
Are you ready?
I think.

324
00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:40,357
Man: let's go
One two three.

325
00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:45,196
One two three.
(woman moans)

326
00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:46,989
(screams)
Oh my God!

327
00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:51,452
(Casey speaks)

328
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,455
(Morgan speaks)

329
00:23:00,671 --> 00:23:01,712
Umm...

330
00:23:08,346 --> 00:23:09,678
(crying)

331
00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:16,018
Good.

332
00:23:27,198 --> 00:23:28,697
♪ ♪

333
00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:33,202
(Anissa speaks
in video)

334
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:44,380
(Casey speaks)

335
00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:46,674
(Morgan speaks)

336
00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:09,196
(Trussoni speaks
in video)

337
00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,283
Anissa:
Umm...

338
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:24,253
♪ ♪

339
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:33,929
(clears throat)

340
00:25:31,906 --> 00:25:35,282
♪ ♪

341
00:25:38,746 --> 00:25:40,829
(Anissa speaks)

342
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,368
(Morgan speaks
without further ado)

343
00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:46,020
(sniffles)

344
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:56,530
♪ ♪

345
00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,623
(Skype startup noise)

346
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:09,084
(ringing)

347
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,173
Irene:
Hello, Dr. Zipes!

348
00:27:14,216 --> 00:27:17,593
I - I don't have -
I - uh, wait

349
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,181
(click)
Hello?

350
00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,850
Actually the quality
seems fine at the end of me.

351
00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:28,854
And yes, my Skype
doesn't have it today

352
00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:31,023
You - have we started now?

353
00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:34,485
Irene:
Yes yes.
When - when do we start?

354
00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:35,778
Man: Hello
Hello.

355
00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,529
Humans:
How are you?
Good.

356
00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:38,989
Humans:
Who are you
Skyping with?

357
00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:41,867
Someone - I started
interviewed for a documentary film

358
00:27:41,911 --> 00:27:45,704
Alright then--
what - so let's start -
start with that question.

359
00:27:45,748 --> 00:27:48,332
♪ ♪

360
00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:03,013
Trevor Blank:
Slenderman is a modern-day boogeyman.

361
00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:08,185
Because it's faceless,
because it's quiet,

362
00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:10,104
because it doesn't speak words,

363
00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:12,231
it's open to many
interpretations

364
00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:15,067
and open
for many possibilities
and for many projections.

365
00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:17,403
This varies
from person to person

366
00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:19,822
like what
actually Slenderman.

367
00:28:19,865 --> 00:28:21,907
♪ ♪

368
00:28:21,951 --> 00:28:23,992
He is the creature who lives in my closet.

369
00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:29,665
He is the person
in a white windowless van.

370
00:28:31,085 --> 00:28:34,711
faceless strangers
who kidnapped children

371
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:45,806
This summarizes,
symbolically,

372
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,724
many others
sort of fear of society

373
00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:49,601
that we already have
for age and age

374
00:28:49,645 --> 00:28:51,395
and rather comfortable
wrap them

375
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:53,522
and make it very easy to forge.

376
00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:57,693
Because, really,
Slenderman can be anyone
You want it.

377
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:06,535
(mouse click)

378
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,204
♪ ♪

379
00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:11,707
(keyboard clacking)

380
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:38,609
(mouse click)

381
00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:51,246
Empty:
We can see empirically

382
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:53,999
and find out where
Slenderman was created.

383
00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:56,835
It was created
in 2009 by Eric Knudsen

384
00:29:56,879 --> 00:29:58,879
below the screen name
"Victor Surge"

385
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:00,923
as part
of Photoshop contests

386
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:02,216
to try to create something

387
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,218
it looks real
it really isn't.

388
00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:10,390
Brad Kim:
Urban legend on the Internet
has been something for decades.

389
00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,351
♪ ♪

390
00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:13,977
There is already a basic
audience

391
00:30:14,021 --> 00:30:17,481
it's ready
for a global project

392
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:20,108
to build myths.

393
00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:25,113
It actually starts
with the game

394
00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,032
which rotates
from Slenderman

395
00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,159
♪ ♪

396
00:30:29,203 --> 00:30:31,578
It's very heavy
visually oriented

397
00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:35,582
it can be imitated
without actually having

398
00:30:35,626 --> 00:30:38,293
to understand
too many cultural contexts

399
00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,837
(footsteps)
(chirping crickets)

400
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,589
Kim:
And from there,

401
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:46,176
it spreads
to every available platform

402
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,803
and media on the web.

403
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:50,305
Tumblr...

404
00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:52,307
DeviantArt...

405
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,227
Youtube...

406
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:57,604
and also 4chan's
Paranormal Board.

407
00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,065
All of these sites have

408
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:05,445
very strong affinity
with fan art in general.

409
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:08,699
(mouse click)
(humans breathe heavily,
speak German)

410
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:13,370
(speaking German)

411
00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:17,124
"Slim will come"?

412
00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:20,210
(speaking German)

413
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,339
Kim: YouTube is
international hub

414
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,300
for non-English speakers

415
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:28,719
to kind of break their way
into the myth

416
00:31:28,762 --> 00:31:30,345
(man speaks Spanish)

417
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,847
(man 2 speaks Spanish)

418
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:34,641
(2 men breathe hard)

419
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:35,851
(speaking Spanish)

420
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:40,856
(Kike speaks)

421
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,191
(grunt)
(distortion)

422
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:47,571
(retches)
(mouse click)

423
00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:49,656
♪ ♪

424
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,409
Kim:
Creepypasta is
this generic term

425
00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:54,536
for the horror story
that will be copied

426
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:55,996
then inserted because it's good.

427
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,291
As it spreads,
people start fiddling

428
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,252
some parts of the story
or take where
they leave

429
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,840
This is a branching story  from the main canon
from Slenderman
(mouse click)

430
00:32:06,884 --> 00:32:10,761
(playing piano)

431
00:32:10,804 --> 00:32:13,972
Women:
"Oh, I'd better travel
through the forest,

432
00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:16,266
" Or shouldn't
hope I'll

433
00:32:18,562 --> 00:32:21,021
"For above I
lurk inside the trees

434
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,275
" No one can hear it
My cry is deadly

435
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:29,571
"The paleest person,
the blackest setting

436
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:34,409
" bigger than the rudest

437
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,745
"Six black arms
will catch you

438
00:32:40,668 --> 00:32:43,168
" Or follow you
until you just give up

439
00:32:43,212 --> 00:32:45,629


440
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:51,218
"He will leave your body
not eat

441
00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:55,097
But for the most part
Your body is on a tree."

442
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,307
(static)

443
00:32:57,351 --> 00:33:01,478
"Afraid of that person,
thin guy

444
00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:03,897
For what he can do
does no one can.

445
00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:05,607
♪ ♪

446
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,655
Empty:
Good slenderman
represents an opportunity

447
00:33:11,699 --> 00:33:15,409
to see where people are
nervous

448
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,577
about certain things
and what excites them

449
00:33:17,621 --> 00:33:20,539
and what unites them,
because it changes.

450
00:33:20,582 --> 00:33:22,457
This changes according to
who tells the story?

451
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,668
♪ ♪

452
00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:30,340
Often in the world of adults

453
00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:32,801
we forget how much
It sucks to be children.

454
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,806
Slenderman can also be seen
as a guardian angel.

455
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:44,020
Slenderman is
angel of death

456
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:45,814
but with heart

457
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,862
These images aren't
so many he appears

458
00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:54,865
in the playground
to seize children,
but to save them.

459
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:02,998
Stories like this can be

460
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:05,417
a strong aphrodisiac for -

461
00:34:05,461 --> 00:34:08,837
for someone who is lonely
or problematic,

462
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,672
or are trying to find their way in the world  ♪ ♪

463
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,008
Slenderman has
this entire community
people online

464
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:19,598
who are eating
into the narration

465
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,600


466
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:23,018
and create their own version of
.

467
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,979
This continues -
it grows exponentially.

468
00:34:26,023 --> 00:34:28,815
♪ ♪

469
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,072
Richard Dawkins:
That is the definition
a good meme

470
00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:40,494
In human culture,

471
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:44,873
if copied
From one brain to another,

472
00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,082
it's meme

473
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:47,584
Hi, my name is Valerie,

474
00:34:47,628 --> 00:34:50,128
and I have decided to do it
Ice Bucket Challenge.

475
00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:52,923
I'm working on the ALS
Ice Bucket Challenge.

476
00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:57,010
I'm here to join
People bring
attention to Lou Gehrig's disease.

477
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,558
Dawkins:
Can be an idea.

478
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:07,187
This can be a song.
Can be a dance style.

479
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:09,272
Woman: tired?
A cameraman:
What do you think he is doing?

480
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:11,274
Board.
Camera cameraman:
Oh, you know?

481
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:12,692
Women:
Of course.
Cameraman: yes!

482
00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:15,153
Woman:
I am from the internet
(man laughs)

483
00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:17,197
Dawkins:
Internet provides

484
00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:20,033
very, very fast,
efficient, universal,

485
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:23,954
media around the world
so that memes spread.

486
00:35:23,997 --> 00:35:25,288
It will never be caught.

487
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:27,290
(anchor laughs)
Without doubt.

488
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:31,503
Dawkins:
Maybe there
some spreading memes

489
00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:35,882
like a very fast epidemic
and then die.

490
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:39,469
But others may have
strong perseverance

491
00:35:39,513 --> 00:35:41,763
(hum)

492
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:49,604
People
are captivated
by Slenderman

493
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:55,485
and want to convey a picture
or to modify the image of himself.

494
00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:56,611
(distortion, static)

495
00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:02,117
This horrible story
of two girls who think

496
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,953
that's all
their job for Slenderman
to go and kill someone

497
00:36:06,874 --> 00:36:08,623
Well, that's how
I call strength.

498
00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:14,504
That is a very big power,
very terrible power

499
00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:18,133
(static)

500
00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:27,642
(click)

501
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,439
Jack Zipes:
Unconsciously,
Slenderman Rod

502
00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:35,483
from the tradition--
that is the way, the way back

503
00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:45,118
For the most part,
Brothers Grimm
collect related stories

504
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:50,165
with what I call
universal human struggle

505
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,250
we continue
to have today

506
00:36:52,294 --> 00:36:54,169
I think that's
one of the reasons

507
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,881
why people
respond to this story,

508
00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,507
and they say it
their own version,

509
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:01,134
their own horror story

510
00:37:01,178 --> 00:37:04,638
about what is happening
in the world today  Slenderman is
a story about a character,

511
00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:09,517
Strange strange characters,
that might feed children.

512
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,355
That makes me think of a legend

513
00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:16,816
Jacob
and Wilhelm Grimm gathered

514
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,277
called "The Pied Piper
from Hamelin."

515
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:22,489


516
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:30,330
Years ago a city was
destroyed by mice -

517
00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:32,540
in the ditch...
on the road...

518
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:34,709
in the basement

519
00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:39,673
Pied Piper comes
out of nowhere.

520
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:44,177
And he is very strange,
people who look weird,

521
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,472
But he has flutes

522
00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:50,767
or some type of pipe
that he plays

523
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:58,024
The man said,
"If you want me to get rid of it
From mice, you have to pay me."

524
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:01,111
So they say, "Yes,
as much as you want

525
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:03,154
if you can get rid of
from mice."

526
00:38:03,198 --> 00:38:07,200
Piper starts
blowing pipes.

527
00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:09,661
Mice start to follow.

528
00:38:09,705 --> 00:38:11,538
♪ ♪

529
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:21,047
Piper has all the rats
jump into the river

530
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,763
But mayor
and board member
cheat him

531
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:30,890
And Piper said,
"You know,

532
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,059
" there are
other songs
I can pipe

533
00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:35,186
"and that way
I can reply you

534
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,355
in that way
You will never forget."

535
00:38:37,399 --> 00:38:39,733
♪ ♪

536
00:38:42,279 --> 00:38:45,071
So Piper takes it
his cheek to his lips again

537
00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:47,449
and he starts piping.
(children playing)

538
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:52,454
People freeze,
but children
follow it

539
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:58,460
There is an opening,

540
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,629
a sudden opening
on Mount.

541
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:05,800
And all children go to
towards this opening.

542
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,970
And like the last one entered,

543
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,556
mount closed,

544
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,934
and Piper
enter too.

545
00:39:18,148 --> 00:39:19,564
(boom)

546
00:39:21,443 --> 00:39:26,321
Depending on the time
and the people there
tell their version

547
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,198
from "The Pied Piper,"

548
00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:30,325
he can be
many different things.

549
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,659
(shrink)
(stomps)

550
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,995
(polka music game)

551
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,499
(playing live music)

552
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,710
(hypnotic music game)

553
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,547
So he is a very mysterious figure

554
00:39:44,591 --> 00:39:47,926
We don't know
whether he is bad or good

555
00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:51,304
We don't know
whether he will do anything
for these children

556
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,223
Children never return.

557
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,058
No one has ever heard of them.

558
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,645
(playing unpleasant music)

559
00:40:04,111 --> 00:40:06,027
But Pied Piper
lives on

560
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,933
♪ ♪

561
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,192
(Casey speaks)

562
00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,407
(Morgan speaks)

563
00:40:55,078 --> 00:40:56,411
Umm...

564
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:03,418
(driving a car)

565
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:05,461
(Angie sighs)

566
00:41:05,505 --> 00:41:08,715
It's almost like
he lives as a whole
doesn't know life in his head

567
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,302
that we only--
we just don't know.

568
00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:22,437
Difficult with children because...

569
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,815
they don't have to
know how to differentiate

570
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:29,235
between fantasy
and reality to start.

571
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,614
So, it's just hard to know...

572
00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,657
where - where to draw the line

573
00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:36,451
Where it becomes...

574
00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:39,120
abnormal?

575
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,082
So, though, you know,

576
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:45,585
Look back,
There may be some signs.

577
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:49,297
Everything is in retrospect.

578
00:41:59,809 --> 00:42:03,811
It's been two months
to days on calendar

579
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:08,816
he is like that
in Washington County
Youth Detention Center.

580
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:11,236
The first day feels rough.

581
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:12,487
You know, you go in there...

582
00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:17,951
You must learn
all your check-in procedures
and all.

583
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:23,456
You know, you go back there,
and you don't know what is expected  There are you,
there is a glass panel
with a metal rod behind it,

584
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,751
then...
is our daughter

585
00:42:26,795 --> 00:42:29,629
That's how it works.

586
00:42:29,673 --> 00:42:31,172


587
00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,470
(Trussoni speaks)

588
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:39,013
(Anissa speaks)

589
00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:01,369
(mouse click)

590
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:05,164
(click the mouse wheel)

591
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,389
(click)
(clatters)

592
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:25,018
(keyboard clacks)

593
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,066
(mouse click)

594
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:35,653
♪ ♪
This is the first time
we tried this

595
00:43:35,697 --> 00:43:38,197
We have him something.
He doesn't know yet.

596
00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:40,325
These are small mice.
You can see it there.

597
00:43:40,368 --> 00:43:43,828
Are you ready?
It's a circle of life, okay?

598
00:43:43,872 --> 00:43:45,913
Right, Cole?
Yes.

599
00:43:45,957 --> 00:43:48,124
That's
"Lion King."
(Laughter) Yes.

600
00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:49,375
Woman:
Let's see how he reacts.

601
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,128
The same color as -
like a bathtub.

602
00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:55,757
Listen, honey
Look, honey, look.

603
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,425
See if he pays attention.

604
00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:01,846
(mouse click)

605
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:04,474
(heavy metal music playing)

606
00:44:23,328 --> 00:44:26,120
(music stops)
Man: my voice
will bring you

607
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:29,082
for a very calm
and peaceful place.

608
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:33,336
♪ ♪
(distortion, static)

609
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:34,879
Humans:
So this part,

610
00:44:34,923 --> 00:44:38,132
attacks
_ there is soft tissue
in the body -

611
00:44:38,176 --> 00:44:40,301
eyes, cheeks,

612
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:41,803
cut through the blood

613
00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:43,179
and air vessels enter the throat,

614
00:44:43,223 --> 00:44:44,764
get it in and out,
enter and exit, enter and exit.

615
00:44:44,808 --> 00:44:47,016
Children:
Meow meow meow!

616
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,434
Humans:
So with the first,
why do you think

617
00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,812
pigs faint
when is the kitten placed on it?

618
00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:54,232
(click mouse)
Woman:
He plays with it.

619
00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:59,153
♪ The dog goes well,
the cat goes meow,
the bird goes - ♪

620
00:44:59,197 --> 00:45:02,031
Ah!
Why you
paste baby

621
00:45:02,075 --> 00:45:05,535
Blender
foot first?

622
00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:08,413
(demon sound) So you can see
that expression on the face

623
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,832
(crazy laughter)

624
00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:15,211
(mouse click)
(helicopter rotates)

625
00:45:16,214 --> 00:45:17,296
(keyboard clacks)

626
00:45:30,603 --> 00:45:33,146
(mouse click)
(playing music)

627
00:45:33,189 --> 00:45:35,356
Shh.
(pound)

628
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:37,984
(inhaling)

629
00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:46,826
I don't know if I should say it,
"I hope you enjoy it,"

630
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:48,786
But there is a circle
life for you

631
00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:51,622
Talk to you later.
Thank you for watching.

632
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:53,124
♪ ♪

633
00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:54,208
(mouse click)

634
00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:00,256
♪ ♪

635
00:46:05,555 --> 00:46:07,680
(water dripping)

636
00:46:16,357 --> 00:46:18,399
Kristi:
Since he got the iPad,

637
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:22,361
he likes to spend
a lot of personal time
up in his room and...

638
00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:25,239
he watches a lot
from things...

639
00:46:27,619 --> 00:46:29,202
funny to him

640
00:46:29,245 --> 00:46:31,787
Nothing
dirty,

641
00:46:31,831 --> 00:46:36,042
or sad,
and demeaning emotions...

642
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:41,756
He likes--
The iPad only gives him a way

643
00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:46,469
not from TripAdvisor.
to socialize with family.

644
00:46:47,472 --> 00:46:49,263
And I really...

645
00:46:51,392 --> 00:46:52,808
deplores iPad

646
00:46:54,229 --> 00:46:58,272
Anissa shows me
an image once

647
00:46:58,316 --> 00:46:59,941
He is in his room,

648
00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:02,902
and I went to see
what he did,
and I saw.

649
00:47:02,946 --> 00:47:05,905
That is an
picture of this Slenderman character

650
00:47:05,949 --> 00:47:07,406
and Jack Skellington.

651
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,825
♪ ♪

652
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:15,790
At that time,
There seems to be nothing
inherently dangerous

653
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,460
I don't have foster children
which I will need
for further research.

654
00:47:20,672 --> 00:47:22,046
IPads will move

655
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:24,507
to elementary school level
this year.

656
00:47:24,551 --> 00:47:28,803
So, at least,
_ our fifth grade boys go
to go home with one.

657
00:47:30,306 --> 00:47:31,472
Alone.

658
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:40,982
Tom Haynes:
So this is the yearbook
of the fifth year of Anissa.

659
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,069
(chuckles)
And this is what Anissa wrote.

660
00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:47,780
It says, "You are indeed like that
second father to me."

661
00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,783
So it's really sweet.

662
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,119
This is rather difficult
Looking back,

663
00:47:53,162 --> 00:47:56,455
Because if he feels strong,
you know, just...

664
00:47:59,002 --> 00:48:00,376
Maybe I can do it
something else

665
00:48:05,967 --> 00:48:10,595
Anissa really
one of the biggest
outliers I've been

666
00:48:10,638 --> 00:48:14,974
just because he has
there is no solid connection

667
00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:18,311
with others
Grades 4 and 5.

668
00:48:18,354 --> 00:48:22,732
Anissa will definitely cry
every few weeks,
I want to say it.

669
00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:27,111
Mostly about... children
Means he is in school.

670
00:48:27,155 --> 00:48:31,115
He doesn't want
to be able to hold himself
in front of the whole class,

671
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,117
and sometimes
he will only cry

672
00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:35,036
So other children
realize he...

673
00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:39,123
emotion,
and become upset.

674
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,959
And there are times when
he will enter
from lunch / break

675
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:45,379
and cry
have no friends

676
00:48:47,425 --> 00:48:51,719
I already suspected that Anissa made a relationship with Morgan  and happy
that they are both
to Slenderman,

677
00:48:51,763 --> 00:48:54,347
glad that
he made new friends,

678
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:56,307


679
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:58,309
share connections,
shared interests,

680
00:48:58,353 --> 00:49:02,229
and may have rotated
out of control from there

681
00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:04,732
(classic score playing)

682
00:49:06,486 --> 00:49:09,904
(no clear dialogue)

683
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:29,090
(click mouse)
(keyboard clacks)

684
00:49:30,593 --> 00:49:32,885
♪ ♪

685
00:49:35,056 --> 00:49:37,390
Abigail Baird:
You can't set it up
a better system fails

686
00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:39,558
In the case "No
in school likes you,

687
00:49:39,602 --> 00:49:41,602
" but this is it
open monster

688
00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:43,229
Who will hug you?

689
00:49:44,565 --> 00:49:46,732
Worst time
socially isolated

690
00:49:46,776 --> 00:49:51,153
is where
your brain and body
beg for friendship,

691
00:49:51,197 --> 00:49:54,031
for kinship,
which is adolescence.

692
00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:55,950
This is the most difficult time
to be alone

693
00:49:57,286 --> 00:49:59,495
I think in its absence
social contact,

694
00:49:59,539 --> 00:50:02,164
Internet
can sometimes serve

695
00:50:02,208 --> 00:50:05,084
as a partner on the road,
or peer group.

696
00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,839
The two girls
in a close group
from eight friends,

697
00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,549
I don't think
this will happen,

698
00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,592
because they don't want
just talking
to each other

699
00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:15,261
and they don't want
have been very dependent

700
00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:17,096
on
information from the internet.

701
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,143
(engine starts)

702
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:39,660
Kristi:
Bill and I split
in the summer of 2012

703
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,791
That is my decision.
I am asking for a divorce.

704
00:50:45,835 --> 00:50:47,960
But when the
situation gets very bad,

705
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:51,046
he is willing to be silent
be there and so on

706
00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:08,397
(turn click)

707
00:51:09,984 --> 00:51:11,984
He is not allowed to see his brother or daughter.

708
00:51:12,028 --> 00:51:16,155
He is not permitted
to see aunt or uncle,
or cousin or whatever,

709
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,408
so I want to have
like many people

710
00:51:19,452 --> 00:51:21,869
as he can
as often as possible.

711
00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:31,879
I try to take it mentally
out of the environment

712
00:51:31,923 --> 00:51:36,175
and try to bring it
some sunshine in his time.

713
00:51:36,219 --> 00:51:39,053
But when I leave,
I kind of feel...

714
00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:46,477
I feel happy
that I can see it

715
00:51:46,521 --> 00:51:51,357
and... make him smile
for a few minutes a day.

716
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,651
But on the other hand,
I'm still a little sad

717
00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:57,404
that I go
without my daughter, and...

718
00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:03,994
The return trip is
sometimes it breaks the heart...

719
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:08,123
but I know
that I will come

720
00:52:08,167 --> 00:52:09,834
and see it
in a few days anyways,

721
00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,336
and I will only repeat
performance and--

722
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:18,384
(sniffles)
and hopefully someday,
this might be my last trip

723
00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:20,803
and and...

724
00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,473
Then
he will go home forever

725
00:52:24,517 --> 00:52:27,309
But maybe so
for a moment.

726
00:52:32,817 --> 00:52:35,150
(playing music ringtones)

727
00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:38,237
Computer: you have
prepaid calls from...
Anissa: Anissa...

728
00:52:38,281 --> 00:52:41,490
Computer: An inmate in...
Humans:
Washington County Prison.

729
00:52:41,534 --> 00:52:43,033
Computer:
This call will be recorded

730
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,369
and subject
to monitor
at any time.

731
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:47,454
You might start talking now.

732
00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:48,789
(Anissa speaks)

733
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:51,292
Hello, Anissa.
So what is your day?

734
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:57,923
Yes?

735
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:00,509
Determine "good enough."

736
00:53:13,441 --> 00:53:14,815
Do you know
who is sitting here

737
00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:18,986
Yes, Tyler is sitting here.
Tyler: Hi!

738
00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:21,697
(Bill laughs)
How are you?

739
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:26,160
I have...

740
00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,330
pretty good
even though it's already cold

741
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:31,665
Hi, Ani!

742
00:53:33,586 --> 00:53:34,668
(laugh)

743
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:36,670
What's wrong?

744
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:46,639
Anissa!
Anissa.

745
00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:50,100
We can all know
You are spinning a little.

746
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:52,186
Are you excited
to talk to everyone?

747
00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:54,688
Yes?

748
00:54:09,997 --> 00:54:12,539
Hey hey hey!
Anissa!
(laughter)

749
00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:16,669
Play back a little.

750
00:54:16,712 --> 00:54:20,881
So, besides what you have said,

751
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,383
what's with you?

752
00:54:35,982 --> 00:54:37,064
Good.

753
00:54:38,484 --> 00:54:40,442
Anissa: yes
Don't smile too much.

754
00:54:40,486 --> 00:54:41,652
Computer:
One minute left.

755
00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:43,278
Well, we have one minute,

756
00:54:43,322 --> 00:54:44,905
so you good night

757
00:54:47,368 --> 00:54:49,326
I love you too.

758
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:53,288
OK?
And I will see you tomorrow.

759
00:54:53,332 --> 00:54:56,792
So - okay.
Computer: thank you
for using the IC solution.

760
00:54:56,836 --> 00:54:58,043
Goodbye.
And that's how it is.

761
00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:00,796
♪ ♪

762
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,249
(Meow tiger)

763
00:55:48,471 --> 00:55:51,346
♪ ♪

764
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:57,603
(mumbling)

765
00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:07,821
(chain clink)

766
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:12,117
(click camera)

767
00:56:27,718 --> 00:56:29,718
Maggie:
I don't know where

768
00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:33,263
all things Slenderman...

769
00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:36,642
starts because
Anissa never talked about it
things like that

770
00:56:36,685 --> 00:56:40,354
No one has ever spoken
about Slenderman

771
00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:44,191
Unless he, like,
keeps surfing the internet,

772
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:47,903
he never really showed me
anything bad...

773
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:52,157
or something scary

774
00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,619
He - he
Easily scared.

775
00:56:55,663 --> 00:56:58,622
(coughing woman)
(click camera)

776
00:56:58,666 --> 00:57:03,293
Maybe he did it
because he wanted
to be noticed

777
00:57:03,337 --> 00:57:06,672
Because, honestly,
at his school

778
00:57:06,715 --> 00:57:09,967
I don't know that
he doesn't have many friends

779
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:13,804
He told me
that he had many friends,
Many people like him,

780
00:57:13,848 --> 00:57:16,473
and a group of--
and he is accepted,

781
00:57:16,517 --> 00:57:18,934
and he experiences
The right time at school

782
00:57:18,978 --> 00:57:23,063
But... he
continues to be picked,

783
00:57:23,107 --> 00:57:27,901
and he never really fits.
He is a follower.

784
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,572
Confiscator:
Everything goes up

785
00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:35,868
Bohren:
Okay thanks.
Please, sit.

786
00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,414
Maggie:
I think some children
just...

787
00:57:41,876 --> 00:57:43,417
great believers

788
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,753
They can't not believe
everything they hear

789
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:53,135
(rustling)

790
00:57:53,179 --> 00:57:55,012
Officers: do you swear
frankly,
the real thing,

791
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:56,555
and nothing but the truth,
so please help God

792
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,765
Yes, I did.
Lawyer:
In this case

793
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:02,561
Are you assigned
to interview the victim,
Payton Leutner?

794
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:04,021
Yes I am.

795
00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:07,399
Lawyer:
At a certain point, your discussion
goes into that area

796
00:58:07,443 --> 00:58:10,319
from
birthday party planned for Morgan?

797
00:58:10,362 --> 00:58:12,529
Payton says that
Birthday party

798
00:58:12,573 --> 00:58:14,740
has been planned
for several weeks,

799
00:58:14,783 --> 00:58:17,242
and that is for May 30,

800
00:58:17,286 --> 00:58:20,579
and that they have planned
to go Skateland

801
00:58:20,623 --> 00:58:22,581
and sleep
at Morgan's house  Angie:
They are medium
normal little girl

802
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:25,959
They run
up and down stairs,

803
00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:27,502
holding hands
and giggling.

804
00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:29,588
Nothing...

805
00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:33,467
any indication
is - go

806
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:37,930
or that we have something to--

807
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:39,848
to worry about

808
00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:44,436
After Skateland,
They returned to Morgan's house  and they go
to the basement

809
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,522
(talking without further ado)

810
00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:50,108


811
00:59:25,437 --> 00:59:27,562


812
00:59:37,491 --> 00:59:39,032
And we - we wake up
in the morning,

813
00:59:39,076 --> 00:59:43,578
and we have donuts
and strawberries
for breakfast,

814
00:59:43,622 --> 00:59:45,539
and everything
is very normal

815
00:59:45,582 --> 00:59:47,499
The girls laugh and...

816
00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:49,876
have fun.

817
00:59:52,047 --> 00:59:54,881
And they ask
if they can go
to the park,

818
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:56,842
and I don't think
anything

819
00:59:56,885 --> 00:59:58,844
I said, "Yes, of course
you can go to the park."

820
00:59:58,887 --> 01:00:01,430
And you know,
Morgan said goodbye

821
01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:03,056
and tell me
he loves me

822
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,184
♪ ♪
(breathing trembling)

823
01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:17,696
(Trussoni speaks)

824
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:19,114
(Anissa speaks)

825
01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:30,250
(Trussoni speaks)

826
01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:31,793
(Anissa speaks)

827
01:00:47,353 --> 01:00:51,063
After playing
at the playground
equipment for a while,

828
01:00:51,106 --> 01:00:54,983
they go to the bathroom,
three.

829
01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:56,485
(Casey speaks
in video)

830
01:00:57,488 --> 01:00:59,780
(Morgan speaks)

831
01:01:01,325 --> 01:01:02,449
(Casey speaks)

832
01:01:11,502 --> 01:01:14,294
(Anissa speaks
in video)

833
01:01:20,636 --> 01:01:22,761
♪ ♪

834
01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:48,495
He doesn't want
to go to sleep,

835
01:01:48,539 --> 01:01:51,164
so he doesn't sit there
with his eyes closed,

836
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:55,710
and at some point,
Anissa hits the front
from his head

837
01:01:55,754 --> 01:01:58,463
and cause the back
from his head to...

838
01:01:59,383 --> 01:02:00,674
hit the wall

839
01:02:18,701 --> 01:02:13,228
Basically.

840
01:02:24,116 --> 01:02:25,157
(Anissa speaks)

841
01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:35,709
And Morgan said,
"I think we approve it
You will do this."

842
01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:38,462
Lawyer:
Does Payton tell you anything

843
01:02:38,505 --> 01:02:40,881
What is Payton
thinking about?

844
01:02:40,924 --> 01:02:43,884
I don't think he understands what is happening.

845
01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:46,887
(Anissa speaks
in video)

846
01:03:04,698 --> 01:03:06,072
(Trussoni speaks
in video)

847
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,205
(pulling ribbon)

848
01:03:14,958 --> 01:03:17,042
(panting)
Thank you!

849
01:03:18,629 --> 01:03:22,214
Boy:
Hey, that's what I want.
Ooh.

850
01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:25,175
(panting)
Angie: It's very fancy
touch one screen.

851
01:03:25,219 --> 01:03:29,054
I want that one.
It's filled...

852
01:03:29,097 --> 01:03:31,056
and already have
some books for you

853
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:33,725
Wow.
(boy muttering)

854
01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:37,646
Can we combine it?

855
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:41,024
Mm-hmm.
What do you think?
Pretty cool
Yes?

856
01:03:41,068 --> 01:03:43,652
Angie:
I've been chatting
with Morgan -

857
01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:47,197
birds and bees
conversation.

858
01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:50,242
I explain
changes that you
go through puberty,

859
01:03:50,285 --> 01:03:53,245
and I explain
about getting your menstruation

860
01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:57,916
And I'm done,
and he looks at me,
and he goes,

861
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,210
"Mama,
I don't think
I believe you."

862
01:04:00,254 --> 01:04:03,338
(laugh)
"That doesn't really happen."

863
01:04:03,382 --> 01:04:06,091
(click camera, beep)

864
01:04:06,134 --> 01:04:08,301
(Mumble Angie)
Morgan:
Thank you!

865
01:04:08,345 --> 01:04:09,678
(Angie chuckles)
You're welcome!

866
01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:11,096
(click camera, beep)

867
01:04:11,139 --> 01:04:12,931
Angie:
Morgan does believe
in Santa,

868
01:04:12,975 --> 01:04:15,475
Tooth fairy,
and Easter Bunny,

869
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:20,272
and really believe
in Santa until he is 11 years old.

870
01:04:25,737 --> 01:04:27,779
(chuckles)
And I think I'm just thinking,

871
01:04:27,823 --> 01:04:30,824
"What parents?
tell their children
that Santa isn't real?

872
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:34,619
Who is in a hurry?
for their child to grow up?"

873
01:04:34,663 --> 01:04:36,871
♪ ♪

874
01:04:47,342 --> 01:04:49,301
Tyler:
There are many
strange things

875
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:52,137
In the world
that we can't explain it.

876
01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:57,892
So we only make items
to try to explain it.

877
01:04:59,438 --> 01:05:00,979
To trust something -

878
01:05:01,023 --> 01:05:02,939
I don't know,
Loch Ness Monster

879
01:05:02,983 --> 01:05:06,651
or boogeyman--
no... that's difficult

880
01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:09,070
to believe that people actually believe it.

881
01:05:09,114 --> 01:05:11,615
♪ ♪

882
01:05:11,658 --> 01:05:17,037
You can't say for sure
is real or not.

883
01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:25,462
And I believe that they believe

884
01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:27,631
it's real.

885
01:05:27,674 --> 01:05:30,216
♪ ♪

886
01:06:37,976 --> 01:05:40,226
Jacqueline Woolley:
What's wrong with certain types?
storybook

887
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,896
which makes children more
or tends not to believe
that they are real?

888
01:05:44,101 --> 01:05:47,317
What is the aspect of the internet that affects

889
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:49,736
Are children thinking about things
on it real or not real?

890
01:05:52,032 --> 01:05:55,408
I think the concept
of what is actually always
is quite messy

891
01:05:57,746 --> 01:06:01,206
Technology is creating
this new situation

892
01:06:01,249 --> 01:06:03,500
where it becomes
even messy

893
01:06:03,543 --> 01:06:07,712
♪ ♪

894
01:06:07,756 --> 01:06:10,590
These two girls,
Maybe they are both
strong believers,

895
01:06:10,634 --> 01:06:12,717
but then the fact is
that they are both with

896
01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,887
is creating
which is stronger
context for trust

897
01:06:20,936 --> 01:06:25,438
That's how
Santa Claus works
or is considered working.

898
01:06:26,566 --> 01:06:28,525
Sort of like
"Trust Club."

899
01:06:28,568 --> 01:06:32,237
There is this great fear
that if I stop believing
I will not get the prize.

900
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,323
(static)

901
01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:37,909
What are the benefits?
being a believer?

902
01:06:40,038 --> 01:06:43,248
Feeling like you are special,
You are part of something,

903
01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,127
that you can be part
only by believing.

904
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,879
That's much easier
than many other clubs,

905
01:06:49,923 --> 01:06:51,798
you know,
especially at that age.

906
01:06:51,842 --> 01:06:55,343
But all you need to do
for the Slenderman club
just believe

907
01:06:55,387 --> 01:06:58,596
♪ ♪

908
01:07:25,584 --> 01:07:28,042
Blank:
If there is one thing cult
from Slenderman is about,

909
01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:32,464
This is about making
that all can be trusted,

910
01:07:32,507 --> 01:07:35,508
especially with the rest
cannot be verified

911
01:07:35,552 --> 01:07:39,637
And that's
really what kind of
people's trust works

912
01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:42,348
Because you can't prove it
beyond the shadow of doubt

913
01:07:42,392 --> 01:07:45,018
it's Slenderman
fake or real
(mouse click)

914
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:17,509
Boy:
Hey, friend, this is Shane.

915
01:08:17,552 --> 01:08:21,638
So, since I knew
about Slenderman,

916
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:26,017
he has haunted my dream,
like every dream.

917
01:08:26,061 --> 01:08:28,061
And I'm really scared,

918
01:08:10,104 --> 01:08:30,438
so I will show you
an image--

919
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:34,734
I - I will only show you
some pictures that I got from him.

920
01:08:34,778 --> 01:08:35,985
It exists.
Look at this.

921
01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:37,487
Look there
in the background.

922
01:08:37,531 --> 01:08:39,113
There.
Boy: Look, this is Slenderman.

923
01:08:39,157 --> 01:08:41,199
Shane:
That's me - it's my sister
when she was young

924
01:08:41,243 --> 01:08:43,576
And then we found it
in the background.

925
01:08:44,871 --> 01:08:47,747
Oh, this is very scary.
Um, goodbye.

926
01:08:29,292 --> 01:08:50,917
(click the mouse)
(singing birds)

927
01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:52,252
Cartwheel.

928
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:55,046
(boys clean the throat)
Round.

929
01:08:56,842 --> 01:08:59,592
Boy: Oh my God,
my stomach killed me
Back walkover

930
01:09:00,971 --> 01:09:02,720
Bad back Remover

931
01:09:03,723 --> 01:09:05,890
Boy 2: Mine - ugh.
Me, too.

932
01:09:05,934 --> 01:09:07,267
Return walkover

933
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:10,436
(boy burps)
Oh my God.

934
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,315
Rounding up.
Boy: Sam, we need to do it -
Sam, we need to do this later.

935
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:15,775
Can you go
a little longer?

936
01:09:15,819 --> 01:09:18,069
Boy:
No, we will stop
this and then we will...

937
01:09:18,113 --> 01:09:20,572
and then we will do
one more later,

938
01:09:20,615 --> 01:09:23,533
Because of st -
Oh my God, I feel like I
almost vomited now

939
01:09:23,577 --> 01:09:25,451
OK, hurry up and do one more.

940
01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:31,958
Boy:
What the fuck
God!
Running!
Running!

941
01:09:32,002 --> 01:09:34,294
Running!
Running!
God, run!
No, run away!

942
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:36,838
(shouting)

943
01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:39,507
Hope:
When you know about him,
he knows about you

944
01:09:39,551 --> 01:09:42,093
(girl whining)
Boy: Oh my God,
I'm very scared now.

945
01:09:42,137 --> 01:09:45,013
Hope:
Like it is impossible
to call it,

946
01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:48,474
but it's impossible
to get him, like, stop
follow you around

947
01:09:49,352 --> 01:09:50,476
(click the mouse)

948
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:54,480
I remember
when I was like 13,

949
01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:56,983
one of my birthday parties,
We have this big plan

950
01:09:57,027 --> 01:09:59,944
I and three of my friends
will all gather,

951
01:09:59,988 --> 01:10:01,154
we will bring
our camera

952
01:10:01,197 --> 01:10:02,530
and sneak out into the forest

953
01:10:02,574 --> 01:10:04,365
and try to find it
with our camera

954
01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:06,451
And I'm out there
for like two hours.

955
01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,287
If I meet him...

956
01:10:10,457 --> 01:10:12,874
I will explain myself
and be like,

957
01:10:12,918 --> 01:10:14,208
"I don't think
you're as bad as that

958
01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:16,294
" Personally, I think
you're rather cool

959
01:10:16,338 --> 01:10:18,087
I don't mind doing
what you do. "

960
01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:20,006
♪ ♪

961
01:10:22,052 --> 01:10:24,636
Since I have
There is no social life at that time,

962
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:27,305
basically my whole life
is on the Internet

963
01:10:27,349 --> 01:10:30,850
And since then it's been there, like, 24/7...  I will only gradually
be more and more attached to it.

964
01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:36,439
And the problem
that keeps coming
will be Slenderman

965
01:10:36,483 --> 01:10:39,567
At that time I believed,
Like every fiber in my body,
he is real

966
01:10:44,115 --> 01:10:47,825
♪ ♪

967
01:10:47,869 --> 01:10:49,369
(footsteps)

968
01:10:49,412 --> 01:10:51,829
(mouse click)

969
01:10:54,501 --> 01:10:55,458
Well,
and the game
have started.

970
01:10:55,502 --> 01:10:58,211
(Twitter cricket)

971
01:11:03,385 --> 01:11:05,385
(playing unpleasant music)

972
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,517
Dawkins:
If everyone knows
namely Slenderman,

973
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:20,441


974
01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:24,404
then I think
is enough
to define it as a replicator.

975
01:11:26,366 --> 01:11:28,366
(rustling paper)

976
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:31,995
Genetic viruses spread
from the body to the body.

977
01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:35,707
And so... the meme
has great deployment capabilities...

978
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:38,584
worthy to be called
mind virus

979
01:11:38,628 --> 01:11:40,378
Girl:
Ooh!
A note.
Girl 2: No!

980
01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:42,296
No, I don't want to get it.
No, you have to get it.

981
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,549
You must get it.
You must.
You understand.
Then he will come.

982
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:45,967
Getting.
Good.

983
01:11:46,011 --> 01:11:48,469
Keep going.
Keep walking.
Why?

984
01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:49,971
Because he found you!

985
01:11:50,015 --> 01:11:52,181
Dawkins:
The virus from the mind spreads

986
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,477
by being heard or seen by the sensory organs.

987
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:59,939
♪ ♪
(footsteps)

988
01:11:59,983 --> 01:12:01,607
When one brain picks it up,

989
01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,985
it will have a tendency
to spread it to other brain

990
01:12:04,029 --> 01:12:07,071
and other brains and so on,
so that it will spread exponentially.

991
01:12:11,202 --> 01:12:13,161
(music sting)
(girl screaming, laughing)

992
01:12:13,204 --> 01:12:14,454
(crying)

993
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:16,456
(footsteps)

994
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,042
Dawkins:
And that's an empirical fact
that this happened

995
01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:21,294
The Slenderman Case
is a very strong example

996
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:26,132
from peer-to-peer
horizontal transmission
That really happened.

997
01:12:26,176 --> 01:12:27,341
(music sting)

998
01:12:27,385 --> 01:12:29,427
(static)

999
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,104
(jingling key)

1000
01:12:41,483 --> 01:12:42,607
Bill:
Meow, meow, kitty.

1001
01:12:43,777 --> 01:12:46,110
(meows)
That's right, come here.

1002
01:12:47,822 --> 01:12:50,156
Do you sleep as usual?
Yes, you.

1003
01:12:51,117 --> 01:12:52,700
(meows)
(imitating meow)

1004
01:12:54,245 --> 01:12:55,328
Stand up straight.

1005
01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:05,254
I think you should use your
badge from Webelos Camp...

1006
01:13:05,298 --> 01:13:07,965
because there are only
two people in your entire package
who have the badge

1007
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:11,719
Aiden: okay
Bill: Alright.
Are all your pins safe?

1008
01:13:11,763 --> 01:13:15,431
Aiden: yes
Bill: you don't want
to lose them
Right?

1009
01:13:15,475 --> 01:13:17,975
Aiden: yes
Life is good.

1010
01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,685
You are all ready,
All right?

1011
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:22,438
Aiden: okay
Get ready to put
it away
All right?

1012
01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:25,149
Good.
Bill: I don't want
to get sad about,

1013
01:13:25,193 --> 01:13:27,652
"Oh, I just got it
to finish this level,"
or whatever else

1014
01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:29,028
OK?

1015
01:13:29,072 --> 01:13:30,404
(mumbling)
Aiden?

1016
01:13:31,449 --> 01:13:32,490
Yes.

1017
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:39,539
Yay?

1018
01:13:40,792 --> 01:13:42,416
Are you okay, Aiden?
Aiden: yes

1019
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,710
You sound
little sniffley

1020
01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:48,214
The whole event,
from beginning to end,
has become a tragedy.

1021
01:13:50,844 --> 01:13:53,469
But you have to be angry
in the situation.

1022
01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:55,221
I'm angry at the situation...

1023
01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:59,183
and my daughter
are not the ones...

1024
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:01,686
that spends up to
seven days

1025
01:14:01,729 --> 01:14:04,313
in the hospital
recover from this

1026
01:14:04,357 --> 01:14:06,023
And I'm angry
about the situation

1027
01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:08,484
So, if I'm angry about that...

1028
01:14:08,528 --> 01:14:12,363
You know, this other family
It's true
to be angry about it

1029
01:14:13,992 --> 01:14:15,283
You know, they can...

1030
01:14:19,038 --> 01:14:21,956
You know, slamming doors
on my face, or, you know,

1031
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,959
punch my face
and knock my ass
and you know...

1032
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:28,963
they might be
justified.

1033
01:14:30,633 --> 01:14:32,884
I'm sure they have lots of
from the same question I did

1034
01:14:35,513 --> 01:14:40,600
Lawyer 2: did you come
for conclusions about Anissa,
as far as diagnosis?

1035
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:44,937
Predisposition
characteristics that...

1036
01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:48,316
makes it vulnerable
for delusional interference...

1037
01:14:49,527 --> 01:14:52,570
is what is meant by
as a schizotypy.

1038
01:14:52,614 --> 01:14:55,364
This is a reduced ability
to determine

1039
01:14:55,408 --> 01:14:57,241
what is real
and what is not real

1040
01:14:57,285 --> 01:15:00,494
Many people have
These various levels.

1041
01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:04,916
Adults may have,
simple, religious eccentric
or spiritual beliefs

1042
01:15:04,959 --> 01:15:08,085
or... conspiracy beliefs
or things like that

1043
01:15:08,129 --> 01:15:10,630
and live their lives
without problems at all

1044
01:15:11,799 --> 01:15:13,424
I have finished
little
from research

1045
01:15:13,468 --> 01:15:16,719
in the early stages
psychopathic personality

1046
01:15:16,763 --> 01:15:19,138
in adolescents
for the past 20 years

1047
01:15:19,182 --> 01:15:22,266
Lawyer 2:
Based on your experience
and testing Anissa,

1048
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:24,852
he doesn't carry
that's a certain diagnosis

1049
01:15:24,896 --> 01:15:26,312
No. He doesn't have--

1050
01:15:26,356 --> 01:15:29,273
he really,
there is no characteristic
a psychopath

1051
01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,776
or sociopathic
or something like that.
Lawyer 2: Alright.

1052
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:35,821
♪ ♪

1053
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:43,663
Fishermen:
Morgan and Anissa out
from the bathroom

1054
01:15:47,585 --> 01:15:50,586
Said Payton
that he doesn't want
to play hide and seek,

1055
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:52,380
but Morgan said
the next game

1056
01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,840
they play
It could be the choice.

1057
01:16:03,101 --> 01:16:04,558
♪ ♪

1058
01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:08,437
Payton says that...

1059
01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:12,566
Anissa draws deeper and deeper into the forest.

1060
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:16,028
(Casey speaks
in video)

1061
01:16:38,386 --> 01:16:39,427
Then...

1062
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:51,897
Anissa said, "Now!"

1063
01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,402
And Anissa replied.

1064
01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:10,124
Morgan goes up
from Payton's feet.

1065
01:17:10,168 --> 01:17:15,338
He sits at his feet,
and then he gets his face
really close to Payton

1066
01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:19,550
and whisper in his ear,
"I'm sorry."

1067
01:17:19,594 --> 01:17:22,094
♪ ♪

1068
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:24,055
And then start stabbing it.

1069
01:18:03,388 --> 01:18:06,639
Lawyer:
What, finally,
is Morgan diagnosed?

1070
01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:13,604
The last diagnosis,
is good in the psychological report

1071
01:18:13,648 --> 01:18:17,316
and in my report
is schizophrenia,

1072
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,112
not specified, 295.90...

1073
01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:27,660
opposition
distorted disturbances, 313.81...

1074
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,499
and bronchial asthma,
mild, intermittent, J45.2.

1075
01:18:35,044 --> 01:18:37,670
♪ ♪

1076
01:18:46,806 --> 01:18:48,389
Lawyer:
Is that schizophrenia?

1077
01:18:50,226 --> 01:18:53,769
Casimir:
Schizophrenia is the most serious one  and one of the most studied

1078
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:56,272
mental illness
humans.

1079
01:18:56,315 --> 01:18:59,733
About 1%
of the population succumbs to schizophrenia  This is a psychotic disease.

1080
01:18:59,777 --> 01:19:04,071
This is through a combination of
genetic predisposition

1081
01:19:05,992 --> 01:19:08,033
and then stress
is placed on that person

1082
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:12,329
starting
realizing the symptoms

1083
01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,458
♪ ♪

1084
01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:17,918
Patients lose track of reality
in several ways.

1085
01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:20,838
A person will become hallucinations.

1086
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:29,513
Someone can hear sounds,
people can see vision,

1087
01:19:29,557 --> 01:19:31,557


1088
01:19:31,601 --> 01:19:34,643


1089
01:19:34,687 --> 01:19:36,854
People can feel it
things crawl on them.

1090
01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:40,191
Delusions,
in addition,

1091
01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:42,151
no need to do
by feeling something,

1092
01:19:42,195 --> 01:19:43,777
they have to do it
with a thought

1093
01:19:43,821 --> 01:19:48,157
So, for example,
believes that Slenderman
is real is fantasy.

1094
01:19:49,619 --> 01:19:52,828
Saying that you see Slenderman
is visual hallucinations.

1095
01:19:52,872 --> 01:19:56,957
(rustling leaves)
(Robert Niesen laughs)

1096
01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:59,460
What is the stack?
the greater it is?

1097
01:20:02,256 --> 01:20:04,423
Ha!
(laugh)

1098
01:20:08,596 --> 01:20:09,803
Diana Niesen:
Jumps on leaves.

1099
01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:12,389
Robert:
And that's one
from my favorite

1100
01:20:12,433 --> 01:20:15,768
I scoop up a bunch of
leaves in the backyard and...

1101
01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:18,562
he comes flying in
(laughs)
Diana: Nice action shot.

1102
01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:23,317
Diana:
Yes, it's difficult
for us to imagine

1103
01:20:23,361 --> 01:20:24,610
he
experiences problems

1104
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:27,738
Difficult to process.

1105
01:20:29,575 --> 01:20:32,076
None of us...
see this coming

1106
01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:38,707
Angie:
Morgan remembers it

1107
01:20:38,751 --> 01:20:41,126
hallucinations as early as three.

1108
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:43,796
He remembers...

1109
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,591
Seeing ghosts at night,
as young as three,

1110
01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:50,135
it will bite it
and pull the hair.

1111
01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:52,513
But from what I understand,

1112
01:20:52,557 --> 01:20:56,559
most of them
are also friendly

1113
01:20:56,602 --> 01:21:01,605
He even said that he -
he tried to tell us
about it once,

1114
01:21:01,649 --> 01:21:04,149
and we just told him
to go back to sleep,

1115
01:21:04,193 --> 01:21:06,610
but I don't have
every memory of that.

1116
01:21:08,447 --> 01:21:11,282
And really,
how often are your children

1117
01:21:11,325 --> 01:21:14,285
say at the time before that
they see something

1118
01:21:14,328 --> 01:21:15,786
or hear something when they are that age?

1119
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:19,540
"The monster is in my closet,"
or "there is something under my bed,"

1120
01:21:19,584 --> 01:21:22,126
You know, just because they don't want to sleep.

1121
01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:25,212
It's difficult
because I can't yet

1122
01:21:25,256 --> 01:21:28,215
to discuss this
with Morgan,

1123
01:21:28,259 --> 01:21:31,093
because he
has been imprisoned...

1124
01:21:31,137 --> 01:21:35,264
for all the time
that I've already - I already know...

1125
01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:37,391
that he -
he has
These symptoms.

1126
01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:43,439
Brooke Lundbohm:
He expresses his ability
to see and hear something

1127
01:21:43,482 --> 01:21:46,734
that other people are
can't hear or see.

1128
01:21:46,777 --> 01:21:48,652
Things like Unicorns.

1129
01:21:48,696 --> 01:21:51,363
He is at one point distorted

1130
01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:53,157
becomes a pretty exciting discussion

1131
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,659
about a student in his class
being pegasus

1132
01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:57,995
When I saw it last week,
a few days before,

1133
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,456
Snape came to visit him
and held him back

1134
01:22:00,499 --> 01:22:02,916
until 3:00 a.m., according to Morgan's report  Lawyer: Snape?
Snape

1135
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,835
Lawyer:
Who is that?
"Harry Potter" characters.

1136
01:22:04,879 --> 01:22:07,546


1137
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:10,257
He will also say not only
that he hears a lot of things,

1138
01:22:10,301 --> 01:22:12,009
But since then
as early as three,

1139
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:15,554
he has some sensory-perceptual
distortion.

1140
01:22:15,598 --> 01:22:19,558
He might see someone
replace a little or see color.

1141
01:22:19,602 --> 01:22:22,519
He doesn't...
has a lot of attention

1142
01:22:22,563 --> 01:22:24,897
about whether he gets
a long prison sentence,

1143
01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:29,485
because, wherever he is,
he will use Vulcan

1144
01:22:29,528 --> 01:22:33,697
mind control  to make himself feel,
to make himself believe
whatever he likes

1145
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:37,159
So, even below
very stressful situation,

1146
01:22:37,203 --> 01:22:39,620
he doesn't feel
stressful because of this -

1147
01:22:39,664 --> 01:22:42,498
what he explained
to be Vulcan's mind control.

1148
01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,500
Lawyer 2:
What about him - the cell?

1149
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:47,461
I will consider
irregular cells.

1150
01:22:47,505 --> 01:22:51,715
He has paper scattered about the floor  Lawyer 2:
Have you ever suggested
pick it up

1151
01:22:51,759 --> 01:22:54,009
Officer Simon: Yes, already.
And he stated that he
liked the newspaper there

1152
01:22:54,053 --> 01:22:59,598
because they make it feel
less empty

1153
01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:02,851
Lawyer 2:
And is he in the room alone?
Officer Simon: Right

1154
01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:05,145
He said,
"Seeing my friends,

1155
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:07,815
" None of these are dangerous

1156
01:23:07,858 --> 01:23:09,566


1157
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:12,528
These friends cannot be lost.
That is important to me. "

1158
01:23:12,571 --> 01:23:15,614
Lawyer:
Does he refer to the real world
fictional friends or friends?

1159
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:17,157
Fiction, I believe.

1160
01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:20,494
Lawyer 2: He is not permitted
hug his family or touch him?

1161
01:23:20,538 --> 01:23:24,206
Not at our facility.
Lawyer 2: Right

1162
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:27,710
He explains
that his main concern

1163
01:23:27,753 --> 01:23:30,629
is with the relationship
with Slenderman,

1164
01:23:30,673 --> 01:23:34,216
and he feels like
if he says the wrong thing,

1165
01:23:34,260 --> 01:23:36,635
if he somehow
disturbs Slenderman,

1166
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:40,681
Not only his property
but his family life
can be in danger

1167
01:23:42,852 --> 01:23:45,227
With childhood schizophrenia,

1168
01:23:45,271 --> 01:23:48,105
almost everyone
develops, finally,

1169
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:51,233
negative symptoms
and cognitive symptoms.

1170
01:23:52,403 --> 01:23:55,946
What is unique
about Morgan's situation

1171
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:58,991
is a bad road
very easy to guess

1172
01:24:14,467 --> 01:24:19,803
Well, we know the diagnosis
before we go see them
at the hospital.

1173
01:24:19,847 --> 01:24:23,515
We hold a conference call
with two doctors,

1174
01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:25,309
so we--
we are ready

1175
01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:28,395
And that reason
we all go there, actually,

1176
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,856
so
we can tell Morgan

1177
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:32,983
what is the diagnosis

1178
01:24:33,027 --> 01:24:36,487
And we think that
will be very helpful
so he knows

1179
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:38,697
that his father too...

1180
01:24:39,742 --> 01:24:41,867
have the same mental illness,

1181
01:24:41,911 --> 01:24:45,871
because we have
never told him before
that Matt had schizophrenia.

1182
01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:50,209
We are very worried
about that way
he might react

1183
01:24:50,252 --> 01:24:53,337
to learn that
she has schizophrenia

1184
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:55,798
because of Morgan -
Morgan is a very smart girl,

1185
01:24:55,841 --> 01:24:58,509
and he has read...
Matt: What makes me think
he knows

1186
01:24:58,552 --> 01:25:02,596
Yes.
I thought when they told him,
he might be like...

1187
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,598
No wonder
... "Well, that's it
I can already guess...

1188
01:25:05,684 --> 01:25:08,060
if I have
to diagnose myself."

1189
01:25:10,356 --> 01:25:12,648
Angie:
What I think
Morgan knows

1190
01:25:12,691 --> 01:25:15,901
that other people
don't see hallucinations,

1191
01:25:15,945 --> 01:25:18,237
but still
is very real for him

1192
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,113
Like, on his head
they are real,

1193
01:25:20,157 --> 01:25:22,032
and they
there with him

1194
01:25:22,076 --> 01:25:24,159
They are there.
Angie: But I think
he knows

1195
01:25:24,203 --> 01:25:26,245
it's someone else
don't look at them

1196
01:25:26,288 --> 01:25:29,331
If not, why did he try to...

1197
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:31,750
Cover it
Mm-hmm.
Angie:
... hide them from us, exactly.

1198
01:25:31,794 --> 01:25:33,210
This is because
he doesn't want to lose them

1199
01:25:33,254 --> 01:25:35,087
He is afraid they will do it
taken from him

1200
01:25:41,387 --> 01:25:43,679
Angie:
This is a doll house,

1201
01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,973
or its components
for dollhouses,

1202
01:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,183
which Morgan made for
while he was placed

1203
01:25:48,227 --> 01:25:51,061
in Washington County
Youth Detention Center.

1204
01:25:52,606 --> 01:25:55,274
And he just put so much...

1205
01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:59,027
details into it, it's amazing.

1206
01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:01,780
He is not permitted
to have scissors,

1207
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:04,032
to be all of this -

1208
01:26:04,076 --> 01:26:09,204
all of this
small little pieces
he is torn by hand

1209
01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,831
This is television,
and this is

1210
01:26:10,875 --> 01:26:14,710
some of him
a little cartoon character
that he likes to draw.

1211
01:26:14,753 --> 01:26:17,337
This is actually, I think,
is a character

1212
01:26:17,381 --> 01:26:19,381
it was modeled after Spock.

1213
01:26:19,425 --> 01:26:22,384
When I watch him
do some dolls

1214
01:26:22,428 --> 01:26:25,888
and -
and clothes,

1215
01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:29,683
and he said what was shocking
_ how was it several times
he had to start over.

1216
01:26:29,727 --> 01:26:33,645
Like, he could just be careful about-- These are some foods.

1217
01:26:33,689 --> 01:26:36,899
I think this is a
salad and a slice of pizza.
Salad and a piece of pizza.

1218
01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:40,569
It's a little
laptop computer.

1219
01:26:40,613 --> 01:26:43,196
See there are even
details on the

1220
01:26:46,076 --> 01:26:49,161
screen  Look at the cute little heart
on the front of the computer.

1221
01:26:50,247 --> 01:26:52,039
This looks like
it's another TV

1222
01:26:52,082 --> 01:26:55,334
Oh, and there -
how exactly

1223
01:26:55,377 --> 01:26:58,503
There is a drama in the courtroom
playing in the background

1224
01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:03,926
When I ask him
what he wants to watch
on TV that night -

1225
01:27:03,969 --> 01:27:07,095
it's one thing
I usually ask when
I talk to him on the phone -

1226
01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:11,516
he will say that it depends
in turn who decides.

1227
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,852
And he is in his own cell,

1228
01:27:13,896 --> 01:27:16,980
so he is the only person there.

1229
01:27:17,024 --> 01:27:19,983
♪ ♪

1230
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:44,675
I do a lot of things
with running numbers
in my head

1231
01:27:47,721 --> 01:27:49,012
I do...

1232
01:27:51,767 --> 01:27:57,187
I try to install static,
Almost, how do I describe it.

1233
01:27:59,108 --> 01:28:02,150
I hope I can talk
to him about--

1234
01:28:02,194 --> 01:28:06,238
like, I have - now,
There are patterns like that

1235
01:28:06,281 --> 01:28:11,660
light and geometric shapes

1236
01:28:11,704 --> 01:28:13,453
That, like, always racing.

1237
01:28:14,498 --> 01:28:16,206
As usual,
like now

1238
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:20,210
Pshew, pshew, pshew,
pshew, pshew, pshew.

1239
01:28:20,254 --> 01:28:23,046
I always want to know
if he sees the item too

1240
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:29,261
Everything seems normal
For me, because of that -
it's everything I am

1241
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:31,596
Here's how
I always see something.

1242
01:28:33,559 --> 01:28:35,809
So, it doesn't seem strange
For me it's like,

1243
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,769
"Oh, that's not how you
see street lights?"

1244
01:28:37,813 --> 01:28:41,023
or "Oh, that's weird."

1245
01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:43,817
I don't know if it is
all those who like strange little
visual...

1246
01:28:45,154 --> 01:28:46,278
things happen...

1247
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,781
like a flashy demon, Devil.

1248
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:53,910
Like that you are like,
"Okay, this is clear
is not real."

1249
01:28:53,954 --> 01:28:56,121
But that doesn't matter.
Like where I've been...

1250
01:28:57,916 --> 01:28:59,082
like you...

1251
01:29:00,794 --> 01:29:05,797
You can see it
and you know it's not real...

1252
01:29:05,841 --> 01:29:08,258
but not a problem at all,
because you still
are afraid of that

1253
01:29:08,302 --> 01:29:10,469
Like, I know that there is...

1254
01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:14,681
I know Satan
is not in the back seat,

1255
01:29:14,725 --> 01:29:18,602
but the demon
in the back seat
Do you know?

1256
01:29:23,484 --> 01:29:25,150
Yes, sometimes
you know it's not real,

1257
01:29:25,194 --> 01:29:29,279
but still smells, it feels,
and looks real, so it's real.

1258
01:29:29,323 --> 01:29:31,823
♪ ♪

1259
01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:40,165
Lawyer:
Can you explain,
in general,

1260
01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:42,709
What did you find in the bedroom
when did you pass it?

1261
01:29:42,753 --> 01:29:48,423
There are...
lots... notebooks

1262
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:52,844
and pieces of paper
with images

1263
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:58,183
and writings related to
to the Slenderman character.

1264
01:30:02,272 --> 01:30:05,398
♪ ♪

1265
01:30:38,517 --> 01:30:40,350
Lawyer:
Where are all these items?

1266
01:30:42,604 --> 01:30:44,354
Everything is in Morgan's room.

1267
01:30:51,363 --> 01:30:54,990
Collins:
When you ask Morgan...

1268
01:30:55,033 --> 01:30:57,534
"What if Slenderman?
isn't there?"

1269
01:30:58,453 --> 01:30:59,995
He can't tolerate that.

1270
01:31:00,038 --> 01:31:01,621
He becomes
rather contradictory,

1271
01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:03,874
and say
he knows it's true,

1272
01:31:03,917 --> 01:31:07,169
and can't
proven to be incorrect,
so it's true

1273
01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:08,295
Lawyer:
Does Morgan use those words?

1274
01:31:08,338 --> 01:31:10,046
"That must be done?"
Yes.

1275
01:31:10,090 --> 01:31:12,382
Lawyer: do you
tell him to say that
I don't.

1276
01:31:12,426 --> 01:31:14,718
Lawyer: He volunteered
this for you
Right.

1277
01:31:14,761 --> 01:31:16,219
(scratch pen)

1278
01:31:16,263 --> 01:31:18,138
Lawyer:
Looks like
unusual thing to say

1279
01:31:18,182 --> 01:31:21,099
That
Lawyer: Did you ask him?
What do you mean by that?

1280
01:31:21,143 --> 01:31:25,228
I do it.
Lawyer: And indeed
to ask him many times?

1281
01:31:25,272 --> 01:31:26,563
I do it.

1282
01:31:26,607 --> 01:31:28,690
Lawyer:
Okay, after you ask him
several times

1283
01:31:28,734 --> 01:31:31,651
what does that mean
by "That must be done,"

1284
01:31:31,695 --> 01:31:33,862
what he offers you
or what he says

1285
01:31:33,906 --> 01:31:35,780
He told me
that the man ordered it.

1286
01:31:39,036 --> 01:31:41,494
(lawyers speak)

1287
01:31:41,538 --> 01:31:42,537
Grunke:
Yes I did.

1288
01:31:42,581 --> 01:31:43,663
(lawyers speak)

1289
01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:44,789
He raised three fingers.

1290
01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:47,334
Lawyer: Like three?
Three.

1291
01:31:47,377 --> 01:31:50,503
Lawyer: What is it -
are you trying to understand
what that means

1292
01:31:50,547 --> 01:31:52,714
I asked if that meant
three years ago,

1293
01:31:52,758 --> 01:31:55,926
and he said,
"No, at the age of three."

1294
01:31:55,969 --> 01:31:59,846
He believes that
he communicates telepathically

1295
01:31:59,890 --> 01:32:03,099
with Slenderman, and that...

1296
01:32:03,143 --> 01:32:06,519
As soon as communication begins,
that he must do it

1297
01:32:06,563 --> 01:32:09,272
what is it
asked Slenderman.

1298
01:32:09,316 --> 01:32:11,191
Lawyer 2:
And if he doesn't do it
what is demanded,

1299
01:32:11,235 --> 01:32:12,859
his family
won't be safe

1300
01:32:12,903 --> 01:32:15,445
Robbins:
He will not be safe,
his family will not be safe

1301
01:32:15,489 --> 01:32:18,114
Lawyer 2:
Dr. Robbins,
is Morgan's entry  into this particular crime
because of the psychosis?

1302
01:32:18,158 --> 01:32:22,327
I believe so.

1303
01:32:26,208 --> 01:32:27,499
Casimir:
Bears say
that schizophrenia,

1304
01:32:33,465 --> 01:32:36,675
in and of itself,
Not a dangerous disease.

1305
01:32:36,718 --> 01:32:41,304
There are many 35-year-old children
who suffer from schizophrenia

1306
01:32:41,348 --> 01:32:44,266


1307
01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:47,102
who doesn't have it
to be jailed,

1308
01:32:47,145 --> 01:32:49,938
who can be managed
in a community

1309
01:32:49,982 --> 01:32:53,441
However, there is
the second part for that.

1310
01:32:53,485 --> 01:32:59,072
If your imagination -
when your imagination remains

1311
01:32:59,116 --> 01:33:01,032
tells you to kill people...

1312
01:33:02,577 --> 01:33:04,995
and when you...

1313
01:33:05,038 --> 01:33:09,040
Insights do not allow you
to seek treatment,

1314
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:12,836
then schizophrenia
becomes dangerous

1315
01:33:12,879 --> 01:33:15,255
This is dangerous
untreated disease...

1316
01:33:16,341 --> 01:33:18,758
and hence...
here.

1317
01:33:19,803 --> 01:33:22,595
(chat)
(birds singing)

1318
01:33:24,433 --> 01:33:27,767
Matt:
You are very lost
in your illness

1319
01:33:27,811 --> 01:33:31,062
that no one knows about...

1320
01:33:31,106 --> 01:33:34,316
and then for people
to hate it like that,
just hate you -

1321
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:36,484
"I hate that little girl.
I hope she burns."

1322
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:40,113
Like, having people
call my house and tell me,

1323
01:33:40,157 --> 01:33:43,199
"You will burn in hell
and that's your daughter."

1324
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:47,704
People don't understand that...

1325
01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:51,082
(emotionally)
she loves Bella

1326
01:33:51,126 --> 01:33:53,418
We love Bella...

1327
01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:59,090
So much, and he still talks
about him like they are friends.

1328
01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:07,891
Oh my God.
He loves her
like I love her

1329
01:34:10,312 --> 01:34:14,606
And like it, for people
to talk about him walking
they do it, it's like--

1330
01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:17,942
Morgan loves Bella.
He - like, how sick you are

1331
01:34:17,986 --> 01:34:20,278
that you will do that
to your best friend

1332
01:34:20,322 --> 01:34:22,906
Because you're afraid
of something that happened,

1333
01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:25,784
or because you want
something happens.

1334
01:34:25,827 --> 01:34:28,620
You want
to be something...

1335
01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:32,123
because of your illness
This dictation
something you need

1336
01:34:33,335 --> 01:34:35,126
Just blows me away...

1337
01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,506
that person like that.
That makes me sad.

1338
01:34:39,549 --> 01:34:41,341
(sniffles)
I hope people know.

1339
01:34:41,385 --> 01:34:44,427
(crying)
♪ ♪

1340
01:34:57,025 --> 01:34:58,983
(Morgan speaks)

1341
01:35:12,958 --> 01:35:14,666
(whistle)

1342
01:35:19,631 --> 01:35:21,339
(Anissa speaks
in video)

1343
01:35:23,218 --> 01:35:24,384
(speaking unclear)

1344
01:35:24,428 --> 01:35:26,010
(Anissa speaks
on video)

1345
01:35:27,347 --> 01:35:28,471
(Anissa sighs)

1346
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,542
♪ ♪

1347
01:35:59,421 --> 01:36:00,545
(clears throat)

1348
01:36:13,268 --> 01:36:15,935
(Trussoni speaks)

1349
01:36:20,567 --> 01:36:21,566
(Anissa speaks)

1350
01:36:22,569 --> 01:36:24,736
(Trussoni speaks)

1351
01:36:37,459 --> 01:36:38,958
(Trussoni speaks)

1352
01:36:42,422 --> 01:36:46,549
The usual
just treat ordinary cats
that you are used to

1353
01:36:46,593 --> 01:36:48,843
Just say,
"I love you, kitty."

1354
01:36:48,887 --> 01:36:51,971
Cat Cakes only 2.99
at your local grocery store.

1355
01:36:53,308 --> 01:36:54,307
(Casey speaks)

1356
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:56,601
(Morgan speaks)

1357
01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:02,273
Lawyer:
Thank you.

1358
01:37:03,818 --> 01:37:06,611
Detective, have
the opportunity to watch
compile it?

1359
01:37:07,656 --> 01:37:09,239
I see compilation.

1360
01:37:09,282 --> 01:37:11,699
Lawyer:
And do you agree?
that you present

1361
01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:13,451
in that room
with Morgan Geyser?

1362
01:37:14,329 --> 01:37:15,662
They are...

1363
01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:17,622
interview pieces

1364
01:37:17,666 --> 01:37:20,667
I am
and Morgan together.

1365
01:37:20,710 --> 01:37:23,086
Lawyer:
Do you tell Morgan that he can
have parents available

1366
01:37:23,129 --> 01:37:25,296
to talk to before
you interrogate him?

1367
01:37:25,340 --> 01:37:27,924
I did not tell him that,
because that was not an option.

1368
01:37:27,968 --> 01:37:30,009
Lawyer:
You won't let it
his parents present?

1369
01:37:30,053 --> 01:37:32,804
Right.
Lawyer: Or let him have it
phone calls to talk to them?

1370
01:37:34,307 --> 01:37:37,350
Um, we don't offer him
a telephone call.

1371
01:37:39,563 --> 01:37:42,355
Lawyer:
At some point are you
provided with Anissa's phone?

1372
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:44,566
Casey: Yes, that's the case.
Lawyer: Do you have one?
opportunity to see

1373
01:37:44,609 --> 01:37:47,610
on one...
message on the phone

1374
01:37:47,654 --> 01:37:49,153
Yes I do.

1375
01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:51,656
He said,
"This is my last hope
for those who care..."

1376
01:37:59,624 --> 01:38:02,208
♪ ♪

1377
01:38:07,841 --> 01:38:10,174
(crying)

1378
01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:32,989
Trussoni:
Mm-hmm.

1379
01:38:37,704 --> 01:38:40,997
♪ ♪

1380
01:38:55,889 --> 01:38:58,598
(ringing the church bell)

1381
01:39:01,519 --> 01:39:03,311
Lawyer:
Where do you find
suspect?

1382
01:39:03,355 --> 01:39:07,148
Thom Moerman:
They are right
by I-94 in Waukesha County.

1383
01:39:07,192 --> 01:39:09,484
Lawyer:
Do you pay attention to something?

1384
01:39:09,527 --> 01:39:11,653
about Anissa's
emotional state

1385
01:39:11,696 --> 01:39:12,945
When have you
ever contacted him?

1386
01:39:14,282 --> 01:39:16,074
He said he was scared,

1387
01:39:16,117 --> 01:39:18,409
and I ask what
she is afraid of?

1388
01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,328
Lawyer: And do you remember?
what did he say to you

1389
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,289
He mentioned
that if he told me,

1390
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:24,916
I would think
that he is crazy,

1391
01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:27,710
and I told him
that I didn't think
something was crazy

1392
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:31,297
Trussoni:
Good.

1393
01:39:31,341 --> 01:39:33,925
(exhale)
(clattering)

1394
01:39:43,645 --> 01:39:45,603
(mumbling)

1395
01:39:55,407 --> 01:39:57,323
(breathing shaking)

1396
01:40:00,578 --> 01:40:02,328
(Trussoni speaks
in video)

1397
01:40:03,331 --> 01:40:05,498
(Anissa speaks)

1398
01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:22,140
(Morgan speaks)

1399
01:40:24,352 --> 01:40:25,601
(Casey speaks)

1400
01:40:38,366 --> 01:40:40,867
(cellphone playing song)
(speaking unclear)

1401
01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:48,708
Can you ask questions
please one more time?

1402
01:40:48,752 --> 01:40:50,710
Lawyer 2:
One of the first communications

1403
01:40:50,754 --> 01:40:52,920
before there are
from search requests

1404
01:40:52,964 --> 01:40:54,589
found
on Anissa's phone

1405
01:40:54,632 --> 01:40:56,132
that is provided by
by his parents, really?

1406
01:40:56,176 --> 01:40:58,551
Right.
Lawyer 2: That's basically
letter goodbye

1407
01:40:59,721 --> 01:41:00,970
Right?
Yes.

1408
01:41:02,265 --> 01:41:04,265
Lawyer 2:
And basically shows that

1409
01:41:04,309 --> 01:41:06,309
people must remember
who he is,

1410
01:41:06,352 --> 01:41:08,770
not sad for him...

1411
01:41:08,813 --> 01:41:10,521
and that he
won't harm them

1412
01:41:10,565 --> 01:41:12,940
Right.
Lawyer 2:
No more, Your Honor.

1413
01:41:12,984 --> 01:41:16,027
♪ ♪

1414
01:41:18,907 --> 01:41:22,033
(character babbling on iPad)

1415
01:41:23,661 --> 01:41:26,662
Bill:
Aiden?
Wrap it, head.
we have a place to go

1416
01:41:26,706 --> 01:41:30,166
OK?
We have
to run to school

1417
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:34,045
for mandatory meetings
about iPads -

1418
01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:35,713
setting up their iPad...

1419
01:41:36,633 --> 01:41:38,716
and use
their iPad, and...

1420
01:41:40,637 --> 01:41:42,178
The disadvantages
they will be in

1421
01:41:42,222 --> 01:41:44,514
if they are not permitted
to use their iPad

1422
01:41:45,767 --> 01:41:47,934
(sighs)
Do you know?

1423
01:41:47,977 --> 01:41:51,479
I don't think
anyone can really,
You know, envy me

1424
01:41:51,523 --> 01:41:53,105
to think
the way I do...

1425
01:41:54,526 --> 01:41:56,275
a group of fifth graders
get iPads

1426
01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:58,736
You know,
based on what this family
has been through.

1427
01:41:58,780 --> 01:42:00,446
At the same time...

1428
01:42:04,035 --> 01:42:06,452
You know, I don't want
to hinder learning.

1429
01:42:07,413 --> 01:42:09,121
(babbling)

1430
01:42:11,501 --> 01:42:13,793
Bill:
I think I only need...

1431
01:42:13,837 --> 01:42:15,628
handle
my own order
about that.

1432
01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:18,631
And about iPads.

1433
01:42:20,844 --> 01:42:22,635
If I have my way,
he won't have it

1434
01:42:25,723 --> 01:42:28,766
You have a child...

1435
01:42:31,145 --> 01:42:34,730
imprisoned, because of
deficiencies of better terms...

1436
01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:36,440
but your other life
still has to continue,

1437
01:42:36,484 --> 01:42:39,318
so you still have to be able to support your other children

1438
01:42:39,362 --> 01:42:42,196
with
activities that they are in, and...

1439
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,824
You do your best
to support your children

1440
01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,450
that you can't
have access to...

1441
01:42:48,037 --> 01:42:51,122
and must explain
to Anissa,

1442
01:42:51,165 --> 01:42:53,499
"Well, I may not be able to come on Tuesday,

1443
01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:55,668
" because Aiden has
a meeting sir

1444
01:42:55,712 --> 01:42:57,169
I have to be there
for that. "

1445
01:42:59,007 --> 01:43:03,050
I already have
conversations with...
my eldest son  I was out in the backyard.
He came out, he said
to me," there what? "

1446
01:43:03,094 --> 01:43:06,345
(clock ticking)

1447
01:43:06,389 --> 01:43:10,308
(breathing deeply)

1448
01:43:30,455 --> 01:43:32,330
That's when I told him...

1449
01:43:38,087 --> 01:43:39,587


1450
01:43:39,631 --> 01:43:41,464
it's just stress
like hell...

1451
01:43:44,469 --> 01:43:49,180
trying to keep
everything balanced
as possible.

1452
01:43:52,435 --> 01:43:54,810
(sighs)
You never get
holidays

1453
01:43:59,192 --> 01:44:00,566
(emotionally)
and it uses it on you.

1454
01:44:04,989 --> 01:44:06,697
It only really uses
nonsense from you

1455
01:44:09,327 --> 01:44:13,537
Because you have
to do more...

1456
01:44:16,417 --> 01:44:18,501
to try to keep everyone

1457
01:44:18,544 --> 01:44:21,587
in a positive place,
include yourself.

1458
01:44:28,012 --> 01:44:29,053
His...

1459
01:44:30,556 --> 01:44:31,931
It's mentally...

1460
01:44:33,351 --> 01:44:37,687
and emotional
and physically only drain.

1461
01:44:42,735 --> 01:44:44,276
(sniffles)

1462
01:44:50,368 --> 01:44:52,243
(birds singing)

1463
01:44:55,873 --> 01:44:57,915
Angie:
I know that
is always risky,

1464
01:44:57,959 --> 01:45:01,502
just because... genetics

1465
01:45:01,546 --> 01:45:04,714
that one of our children
may experience schizophrenia.

1466
01:45:06,759 --> 01:45:08,926
I never thought something like this would happen

1467
01:45:11,055 --> 01:45:12,430
Matt is so...

1468
01:45:14,267 --> 01:45:18,060
He is very high functioning
and he is very... stable.

1469
01:45:19,731 --> 01:45:23,024
I only know
that he has developed
an awareness

1470
01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:25,109
of what is real
and what is not

1471
01:45:26,401 --> 41:45:29,196
And I think,
for Morgan,

1472
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:30,990
that line is
still quite blurry...

1473
01:45:33,786 --> 01:45:35,578
but that's all
is still very real to him.

1474
01:45:38,708 --> 01:45:43,127
In general,
Morgan has just started
more is missing

1475
01:45:43,171 --> 01:45:45,588
and involved
in this world

1476
01:45:45,101 --> 01:45:48,299
imaginary friend
he has

1477
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,930
The best situation
will be that he ends
in the environment

1478
01:45:54,974 --> 01:45:57,183
where he can
receive treatment
for schizophrenia,

1479
01:45:57,226 --> 01:46:00,061
and that will happen
a psychiatric facility

1480
01:46:00,104 --> 01:46:02,730
Not a prison.
He can't be jailed.

1481
01:46:02,774 --> 01:46:05,107
♪ ♪

1482
01:46:06,819 --> 01:46:09,820
I think
This is rather cruel
from the court...

1483
01:46:11,407 --> 01:46:14,617
to have a law where
You can take two girls

1484
01:46:14,660 --> 01:46:16,994
who is not
the previous troublemaker...

1485
01:46:19,207 --> 01:46:22,083
And they don't try
to hide what they do

1486
01:46:22,126 --> 01:46:24,627
They don't lie
about what they do

1487
01:46:24,670 --> 01:46:26,545
They are very honest for that  And it feels like being
extra punished because of that

1488
01:46:26,589 --> 01:46:29,882
Well, let's hope the judge
will have good news.

1489
01:46:33,054 --> 01:46:35,721
Some good news.

1490
01:46:37,058 --> 01:46:39,391
The two young girls were accused of stabbing their classmates  return to court

1491
01:46:39,435 --> 01:46:42,228
WISN 12 news'
Hillary Mintz

1492
01:46:42,271 --> 01:46:43,687
live in Waukesha County
with the latest.

1493
01:46:43,731 --> 01:46:45,481
Hillary.
Well, Melinda,

1494
01:46:45,525 --> 01:46:47,566
for the past year there were quite a lot of
since the stabbing happened,

1495
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:49,068
a judge here
at the state court building

1496
01:46:49,112 --> 01:46:51,570
have tried to find out
"Should Morgan Geysers

1497
01:46:51,614 --> 01:46:53,989


1498
01:46:54,033 --> 01:46:56,283


1499
01:46:56,327 --> 01:46:59,286
and Anissa Weier are tried
as adults or teenagers? "

1500
01:46:59,330 --> 01:47:01,622
That decision is expected
to come today,

1501
01:47:01,666 --> 01:47:05,167
and the bet
in the decision
is very high

1502
01:47:05,211 --> 01:47:08,003
♪ ♪

1503
01:47:08,047 --> 01:47:10,256
Victim,
Payton Leutner, 13,

1504
01:47:10,299 --> 01:47:11,799
has recovered physically,

1505
01:47:11,843 --> 01:47:13,676
but they say
he is still dealing

1506
01:47:13,719 --> 01:47:15,678
with emotional damage.

1507
01:47:15,721 --> 01:47:18,722
♪ ♪

1508
01:47:37,076 --> 01:47:40,077
The court is prepared
to continue the decision.

1509
01:47:46,544 --> 01:47:49,628
The court easily finds
that this is violence,

1510
01:47:49,672 --> 01:47:52,173
planned ,
personal violations

1511
01:47:52,216 --> 01:47:54,175
There is
a conscious decision is made

1512
01:47:54,218 --> 01:47:56,635
at the time of violation
let the victim die

1513
01:47:58,264 --> 01:48:01,223
They tell P.L.
that they will go
to get help  They did leave...

1514
01:48:01,267 --> 01:48:03,434
and they go, walk
to Nicolet National Forest

1515
01:48:03,477 --> 01:48:06,687
to find
Slenderman House

1516
01:48:06,731 --> 01:48:08,314
and then meet
with Slenderman

1517
01:48:08,357 --> 01:48:10,065
This is charged
as an attempted murder,

1518
01:48:11,736 --> 01:48:14,153
that this is actually -
this is an effort
to kill someone,

1519
01:48:16,616 --> 01:48:19,909
not an
error by hitting them too hard,

1520
01:48:19,952 --> 01:48:22,077
not
error by pushing them
too hard.

1521
01:48:22,121 --> 01:48:24,622
Problems
brain development

1522
01:48:26,083 --> 01:48:27,541
important
so that the court considers it.

1523
01:48:27,585 --> 01:48:29,919


1524
01:48:29,962 --> 01:48:32,379
They are young
when the violation occurs,

1525
01:48:32,423 --> 01:48:34,590
but they get older
every day, frankly.

1526
01:48:34,634 --> 01:48:36,133
They are a year older today.

1527
01:48:38,596 --> 01:48:41,138
But what happens at the age of 18?
And in this court's view,

1528
01:48:41,182 --> 01:48:44,683
That is an important factor
so the court can evaluate.

1529
01:48:45,895 --> 01:48:47,895
There will be
no supervision, no control,

1530
01:48:47,939 --> 01:48:51,815
there is no way to ensure
public security.

1531
01:48:51,859 --> 01:48:54,151
They have committed
a serious violation

1532
01:48:54,195 --> 01:48:55,986
It's - it's, frankly, ferocious.

1533
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:59,156
There must be certainty
That doesn't happen again,

1534
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,033
it's a serious violation

1535
01:49:01,077 --> 01:49:03,744
handled
seriously

1536
01:49:03,788 --> 01:49:05,788
which offers
protection for everyone.

1537
01:49:05,831 --> 01:49:08,999
On that basis,
I will order the defendants,

1538
01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:10,709
Geyser and Ms. Weier,

1539
01:49:10,753 --> 01:49:13,337
maintained
in adult jurisdiction

1540
01:49:13,381 --> 01:49:14,672
As ordered.

1541
01:49:18,636 --> 01:49:20,844
Nick Bohr:
There are tears and some
are shocked here in court

1542
01:49:20,888 --> 01:49:24,306
as a judge rejects
motions by lawyers for both girls

1543
01:49:24,350 --> 01:49:26,934
to handle their cases
in juvenile court

1544
01:49:26,978 --> 01:49:28,894
Lawyer Anissa Weier
keeps saying

1545
01:49:28,938 --> 01:49:31,855
they will discuss
possible appeal.

1546
01:49:31,899 --> 01:49:34,984
The victim's father here said
they would not comment,

1547
01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:37,528
even though family
does look cheerful

1548
01:49:37,571 --> 01:49:38,862
follow this decision

1549
01:49:38,906 --> 01:49:41,865
♪ ♪

1550
01:50:02,305 --> 01:50:05,597
Bills:
I am sure they will do it
finally found.

1551
01:50:05,641 --> 01:50:08,726
I think they will never have
made it to the state forest.

1552
01:50:11,063 --> 01:50:14,356
From Waukesha
to Nicolet State Forest

1553
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,026
is a four-
for five hours of travel.

1554
01:50:17,069 --> 01:50:19,403
And they think
they will run it?

1555
01:50:21,115 --> 01:50:26,243
They don't know
from what they need
walk that far.

1556
01:50:29,874 --> 01:50:36,754
The judge ordered
Anissa did not have
contact with the internet

1557
01:50:38,799 --> 01:50:41,008
The judge also ordered the
, you know,

1558
01:50:41,052 --> 01:50:43,552
he does not have
contacts with fellow defendants.

1559
01:50:43,596 --> 01:50:46,096
♪ ♪

1560
01:50:52,605 --> 01:50:56,440
Angie:
Morgan doesn't have access
out.

1561
01:50:57,985 --> 01:51:01,278
There isn't even an
window to look out

1562
01:51:02,531 --> 01:51:05,407
Morgan says that this
does not bother him,

1563
01:51:05,451 --> 01:51:08,786
because he doesn't want
to go out again

1564
01:51:08,829 --> 01:51:11,121
(birds singing)

1565
01:51:13,084 --> 01:51:18,962
One of the things
Anissa and her
It's been discussed,

1566
01:51:19,006 --> 01:51:20,631
whatever happens...

1567
01:51:21,592 --> 01:51:23,467
they will
always be with

1568
01:51:24,678 --> 01:51:27,388
(crow)
(no clear dialogue)

1569
01:51:27,431 --> 01:51:29,681
♪ ♪

1570
01:51:42,655 --> 01:51:45,489
(chain clink)
(click camera)

1571
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:03,132
(mouse click)
(click camera)

1572
01:52:03,175 --> 01:52:04,800
(coughing woman)
(whisper)

1573
01:52:10,349 --> 01:52:12,724
♪ ♪

1574
01:52:34,999 --> 01:52:36,039
(mouse click)

1575
01:52:38,252 --> 01:52:42,421
♪ ♪

1576
01:52:53,601 --> 01:52:56,226
(ringing the church bell)

1577
01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,909
♪ ♪

1578
01:54:41,083 --> 01:54:43,834
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