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You know, Sarah.
[laughs]

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And I'm very excited
are here tonight,

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and I am very happy that all of you
come to celebrate his work,

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his words, and he - it's, um...

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only beautiful and beautiful sounds.

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So I just thank
from the bottom of my heart.

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And I thank JT from below
my heart and soul.

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[Laughter]

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[Applause and applause]
I love you, JT.

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You are an inspiration.

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Thank you.

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[Applause and applause]

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Thank you, JT!

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**

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Dirty: My guest, JT LeRoy, is a 21-year-old writer

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with two fiction books based on
on his experience

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as his son
from truck prostitutes stop.

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When LeRoy was 15 years old,
his therapist, Dr. Terry Owens,

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encourages him to write.

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Although LeRoy already exists
about his life,

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he doesn't like to show his face
to the press

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and do most of the interviews
By telephone.

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It's Fresh Air.

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So, um, so, why do you still feel this is very important?  to keep
your identity hidden?

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Leroy: You know, I'm writing
about things that are quite personal,

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and also,
gender problems.

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Sometimes I like to go out
as a girl.

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Sometimes, I like going out
as a man.

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So, I really never wanted someone to come to me

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and say, "I know what you are,"

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and being in that position
where they can hurt me.

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Although your work is
really interesting,

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Some people think so
You may not really be there.

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In other words, that's JT LeRoy
maybe the name of the pen,

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or deception, or the like
extended performance pieces.

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- [Laughter]
- I mean, are you experiencing this?  a lot of people think
that this is fair

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some kind of trick?

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**

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[The answering machine reads,
click]

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[Beep]

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[Beep]

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[Beep]

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[Beep]

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[Click, swish]

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LeRoy: Hi.
I am JT -

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Jeremiah Terminator LeRoy.

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- [shouting unclear]
-Jeremiah comes from the Bible,

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but I like that.

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That makes me feel protected.

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**

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I was born in wild West Virginia
on Halloween.

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[Cats chuckle]

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My mother is Sarah.

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He had me when he was 14 years old.

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He is using drugs
and doesn't even know

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how to change diapers.

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Sarah is a prostitute...

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**

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many lizards.

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We live in cars, motels.

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Every new city,
we change our name.

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I can be a man,
or I can be a woman.

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But usually, we
sisters are therefore more permitted.

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Sarah married
many times.

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Men only love him.
She is beautiful.

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I keep thinking...

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**

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if I can
as beautiful as he is,

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he will see
something in me.

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[Click]

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**

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[Phone rings]

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Benderson: I remember
the first call very well.

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The voice of a very gentle woman said,

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"May I speak to Bruce Benderson?"

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Immediately,
I'm very suspicious

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because it sounds like
a young girl

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of maybe 13-12, 13, 14.

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He said, "Well, I
a great admirer of your work."

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[Click]

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[Click]

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So, I said, "Are you a boy?"

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And he replied, "Well,
the last time I checked it, me."

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[Fax machine call,
beep, swish]

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On the floor, there are
extraordinary

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stack of paper.

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And I sighed,
and I tore it.
[Shredded paper]

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And I started reading it,
get ready to throw it away.

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LeRoy: "heroin in
to tell you the truth of God."

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And I thought, "Oh my God, this can't be trusted.  This person is a genius."

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He has given me
his phone number,

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and I immediately called
him back.
[Phone call]

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[Phone rings]

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[Receiver click]

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And then I say,
"It's amazing -

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amazingly written."

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[Receiver click]

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LeRoy: That's something
I always know.

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Heroin who came with the balloon
special message for me.

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**

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Yes, I will smoke,

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shooting darkness,
stay inside.

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[deep breathing]

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But the balloon is
the only

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it will really save me.

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**

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Heroin in
to tell you God's truth is

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just to change me
until the time comes.
[Geese Gees]

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It will be a sunny day -
no clouds, no wind.

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Many people will gather,
smile and be happy.

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People will surround me
and slowly attach my silver,

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my blues, my vegetables, my yellow.

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I feel myself getting lighter

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as a spring
balloon branch of each branch.

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I am God who is wasted coming
for their redemption

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whether they like it or not.

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**

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Man: Tell me about the first
phone call that you made as JT.

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I will arrive at a point where
I have to call,

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and I remember calling
from the bathroom.

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I'm sitting on the floor
near the toilet.

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[Camera shutter clicks]

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Geoff and I just moved
together.

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[Camera shutter clicks]

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He is in another room
playing guitar...
[Guitar picking]

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do the music,
and I just make calls...
[Phone call]

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thinking about dying,

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want to die.

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And I call Child Crisis.
[Phone call]

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That's the number
that you can contact

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when you are in pain.
[Phone rings]

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I remember I didn't know what was going to come out of me.

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I don't know who will overflow.

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[Ring continues,
click recipient]
And this man answers.

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Hi.
I am Dr. Terrence Owens.

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I am clinical director

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from the Masonic Center
for Youth and Families.

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He asks what is my name.

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And that's "Terminator,"

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which I will never choose
because it's a stupid name.

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But that's the name.

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He is 13 years old,

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change the trick,

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live on the streets.

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And Dr. Owens, he said,

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"Why don't you call back
tomorrow?"

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**

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And I don't know
if the Terminator wants,

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or whether he will be there
or whether it will work.

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Many other boys
have gone through me,

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they don't...

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they don't live.

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But he did it, and he was there.

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[Phone call]

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And slowly, my life begins
to spin around talking

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to Dr. Owens the next day.
[Phone rings]

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So as if my world is
under water.

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And then, for half an hour,
the Terminator will talk to him,

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first...
[exhale sharply]

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breath of air,
and then I will go bankrupt.

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[Click, swish]

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**

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Okay, today's date
8 January

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and I'm Laura.

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What happened
My parents were divorced

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when I was in eighth grade,
and it just exploded for me.

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[Fireworks whistling, popping up]

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I started to resign
a different school,

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and my mother went berserk.

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[hissing, screaming girl]
We have done this fight,

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and he loses
control and throws, like, heavy things.

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[Clatter]

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He goes, like, together
different men all the time,

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lots of slippery bags
that will come to me

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it will, you know,
try dirt -

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Like, someone will call me
in the middle of the night

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and say he loves me,
he wants to be my father,

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but he also wants it
to be my lover.

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[Phone rings]

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And my mother saw
this nonsense too.

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He saw
how to mess it up too.

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I called my father.
My father said,

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"Good..."

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I like, you know,
"Hey, fuck you."

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So, I decided, someday,

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"I have to act.
I have to do something."

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[Recipient clicks,
telephone call]
I pick up the phone.
I contacted this hotline.

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[Phone rings]
And it never happened

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for me to call myself.

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What reactions
will there be other than that,

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"Are you fat and ugly and ugly and deserve it"?

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So, I introduce myself
as a man.

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And I speak
about this situation at home,

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there is
physical violence occurs

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and inappropriate
sexual relations.

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And they
are very supportive and caring.

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When I hang up,
I feel relieved.

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**

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[Voice breaking]
I don't understand that.

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[Crying] All I know is that
works, it's like magic.

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It's really amazing.

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And I'm very addictive.

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**

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Terminator has
problems with continuity,

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be Dr. Owen suggested that the Terminator start writing.

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What the Terminator writes
is completely different.

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That really surprised me.

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He wrote this section called
"Baby doll."

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LeRoy: When Jesus died,
shouted the angels,

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and their tears change
to stone.

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My hands tremble
when I take out my item,

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leads me to hell.

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Albert: He sent him to Dr. Owens.
[Fax machine call]

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[The fax machine sounds, swish]

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And it's like...

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a new world is open.

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So, Dr. Owens and I know

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that the Terminator's real name is
Jeremy.

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And one day,
I have to get Dr. Owens

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some of Jeremy's works.

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And I ride along the way
to the hospital.

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Terminator is driving.

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I pedaled, but he was driving.

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So I got there.

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They starred in Dr. Owens.
-Dr.
Owens.

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Albert: I am very scared.

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I met Dr. Owens,

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and he asks me
what is my name.

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And I just thought,
"How did I get here?

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Very fast - Speedie."
[Laughs]

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That is my name.

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[Camera shutter clicks]

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He is an [English accent]
"Hello. I'm Speedie.

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Nice to meet you."

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[Normal voice]
He's English.

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[Click]

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[Click]

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So Jeremy wants it
to be a better writer,

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so I read everything,

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everything
I can get my hand.

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And that only resonates
with everything...

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- [Grunts, groans]
-... lives inside me.

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Boy: [Screams]

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And I usually pray not,
"God, please make me

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beautiful beautiful girl."

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That, "Let me wake up
as a cute blonde,

256
00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:08,095
blue-eyed man -
a blond, blue-eyed boy

257
00:17:08,128 --> 00:17:10,597
that a man will like
and want to make love."

258
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:13,233
**

259
00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:18,071
[Phone rings]

260
00:17:18,105 --> 00:17:20,507
Silverberg: So,
this young person reaches out.

261
00:17:21,341 --> 00:17:22,775
There is a kooky factor.

262
00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:24,344
[Southern Accent] I mean,
when someone talks like that

263
00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:25,545
on the phone that says,
"I'm homeless,

264
00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,614
and I have to pass
to Dennis Cooper.

265
00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:30,517
and I go around
with a fax machine."

266
00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:49,436
It seems perfect for Dennis,
and Dennis did it.

267
00:17:49,469 --> 00:17:53,440
[Phone rings]

268
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:11,358
[Recipient click, dial tone]

269
00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:14,294
Well, I mean it's all, like,
you know,

270
00:18:14,327 --> 00:18:15,695
"I like your book 'Try'."

271
00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:17,564
This is my Bible,
and I'm really connected

272
00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:21,301
for characters
that allows men to sexually use them.

273
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:22,635
[Click]

274
00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,850
He will say
he calls from -

275
00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:39,719
Sometimes,
he says public telephone.

276
00:18:39,752 --> 00:18:40,653
[Coins vibrate]

277
00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,855
Sometimes, he said
he was at a friend's house,

278
00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:46,193
and finally
that friend becomes Speedie.

279
00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:49,696
There isn't much time
where Jeremy is homeless,

280
00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:53,766
and finally he got
this boyfriend, Astor.

281
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,269
So you have
this character pattern,

282
00:18:56,303 --> 00:19:00,340
and suddenly I need Astor

283
00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:02,742
to be Geoff.
[Ding!
]

284
00:19:02,775 --> 00:19:05,512
Because Astor doesn't exist.

285
00:19:05,545 --> 00:19:09,382
Astor fair
on astral plane.

286
00:19:29,569 --> 00:19:33,373
So, it happened
Jeremy is now alive

287
00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:37,844
with Speedie and Astor
as a family.

288
00:19:37,877 --> 00:19:39,779
[Click]

289
00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:43,450
**

290
00:19:43,483 --> 00:19:47,254
Being with my Barbie,
I control,

291
00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:48,955
and that commands the universe.

292
00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:54,827
And the Barbie world I'm not
a happy world.

293
00:19:54,861 --> 00:19:58,731
Actually there are photos
where I have them all lined up

294
00:19:58,765 --> 00:20:00,933
naked with their butts
in the air.

295
00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:03,670
And they go
for discipline.

296
00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:08,841
I will make this very intense,
very intense story.

297
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:12,879
Barbie I committed rape crimes

298
00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:14,881
and assault

299
00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,284
and child abuse.

300
00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:21,554
They get hurt,
and I can make them bleed.

301
00:20:21,588 --> 00:20:23,356
They are given black eyes.

302
00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:25,558
**

303
00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:26,959
I don't know

304
00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:32,465
that the way I play
Barbie dolls are not normal.

305
00:20:32,499 --> 00:20:33,833
[Click]

306
00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:37,837
Gradually, the story
Terminator starts coming out.

307
00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:38,971
[Click, swish]

308
00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:43,276
He said he came from a Southern Baptist background

309
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:46,446
with sadistic,
fundamentalist grandparents.

310
00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:49,015
[splashing liquid, screaming boy]
One of them makes it bathe

311
00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:52,852
in a bleach bath.

312
00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:10,870
It's more gradual coming out
that the AIDS he has

313
00:21:10,903 --> 00:21:14,374
maybe caught
one of his mother's girlfriends

314
00:21:14,407 --> 00:21:16,609
who has tortured him.

315
00:21:16,643 --> 00:21:19,946
And the high voice
might be due to the fact

316
00:21:19,979 --> 00:21:23,483
that the genitals
have been mutilated

317
00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,018
so he never goes
into puberty.

318
00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,070
[Phone rings]

319
00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:47,840
He finally gave up
for my constant question

320
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:50,643
by offering to send me a photo.

321
00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:59,051
They show a rather interesting
blond boy around 15.

322
00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:02,922
And I really frame them and
put them on my bookshelf

323
00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:06,926
with photos of my family
and my lover.

324
00:22:06,959 --> 00:22:10,530
At that time,
helped him develop as a writer

325
00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:12,665
becomes a mission for me.

326
00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,702
**

327
00:22:41,661 --> 00:22:42,862
[player click video]

328
00:22:49,469 --> 00:22:50,670
[player click video]

329
00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:02,649
There are not many
findings in publishing anymore.

330
00:23:02,682 --> 00:23:06,085
To hear new sounds
is fun.

331
00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:11,591
William Burroughs, Genet,
Allen Ginsberg -

332
00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:16,963
all of these people give
to alternative cultures

333
00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,999
and suddenly it seems
there is a torch torch.

334
00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:23,603
This is a homeless teenager
who deals with HIV,

335
00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:25,204
just got off the road.

336
00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,474
Someone, whose job is invited to talk

337
00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:31,644
aspects of American culture
I have never heard before.

338
00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:55,935
And it shouldn't.

339
00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:57,904
I know I still need to write.

340
00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,138
I still want to write.

341
00:23:59,171 --> 00:24:01,173
But I don't want to
damn write that crap.

342
00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:04,076
And I don't let them
publish work.

343
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:07,046
You are sure because the fuck is not running
away from the book agreement.

344
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,681
And I do it.

345
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:11,083
[Alternate page]

346
00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:17,089
**

347
00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:23,696
I am 32 years old,
and I am pregnant.

348
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,835
And I still speak with Dr. Owens,

349
00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:31,037
but everything changes.

350
00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:37,076
But Jeremy is still there.

351
00:24:37,109 --> 00:24:40,279
And my body
just betrayed him

352
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:43,249
in the final way.

353
00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:48,955
I am really a woman.

354
00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:53,960
I have given birth to a baby boy I breastfeed.

355
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,696
There is no hope in hell  that I will give
Jeremy his body

356
00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:59,298
which he really wants.

357
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,968
Because of my focus,
my number one priority,

358
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:05,572
what is this baby.

359
00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:07,674
Not him.

360
00:25:07,707 --> 00:25:09,075
And then one day,
the door of willingness is open.

361
00:25:10,643 --> 00:25:15,247
That's exactly
like watching a movie.

362
00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:20,987


363
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:24,891
It's like the 1940 series,
cliff hanger.

364
00:25:24,924 --> 00:25:27,894
I will only see
to the next street sign.

365
00:25:27,927 --> 00:25:29,061
I am in the fog.

366
00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:31,898
I will get to that point soon.

367
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,033
Then I will end it.

368
00:25:34,066 --> 00:25:35,968
I don't know where
will go forever,

369
00:25:36,002 --> 00:25:37,670
but that continues to guide me,

370
00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:39,872
and I will do it
watch it unfold,

371
00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:44,010
and that's very fun.

372
00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:45,678
[Air brakes explode]

373
00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:49,782
[Engine revs]

374
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:55,154
[moaning]

375
00:25:55,187 --> 00:25:58,691
LeRoy: I looked up
and saw a glowing aura

376
00:25:58,725 --> 00:26:01,961
from the Holy Jackalope Temple.

377
00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:04,764
[Voice of Gong]

378
00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:07,600
[Steps]

379
00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:13,372
Everyone closes their eyes

380
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:18,778
and make their prayers
newly discovered libidinous powers.

381
00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:21,080
[Boing!
]

382
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:24,016
I reach over my tube,

383
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:28,855
Take the bone of my raccoon penis,
and grip it tightly.

384
00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:32,659
Please, oh, divine jackalope.

385
00:26:32,692 --> 00:26:35,662
I want to be a real lizard.

386
00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:39,966
I want to get very large bones.

387
00:26:42,234 --> 00:26:46,338
I finished writing the story,
and I don't know what that is.

388
00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:48,140
I speak with the editor,

389
00:26:48,174 --> 00:26:50,777
and he returned to me
and he said,

390
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:53,379
"You write a novel."

391
00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:56,949
Sarah entered
and it felt completely formed.

392
00:26:56,983 --> 00:27:00,086
It is like Athena
arises from Zeus's head.

393
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,889
Sounds like the sound of vision.

394
00:27:02,922 --> 00:27:04,857
[player click video]

395
00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:13,032
[player click video]

396
00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:14,834
This book is very different  from another
Writing Terminator.

397
00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:16,736
So we need a different name.

398
00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:18,170
He doesn't want
to use his name, Jeremy,

399
00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:20,239
so the editor suggests
use the initials -

400
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:24,844
Jeremy Terminator, JT.

401
00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:27,413
Jeremy has a last name

402
00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:29,048
from my phone sex client,
LeRoy.

403
00:27:29,081 --> 00:27:31,951
[Click phone]

404
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:33,886
[Click phone]

405
00:27:47,934 --> 00:27:49,001
So we have a name -
JT LeRoy.

406
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:52,004
[Cash]

407
00:27:52,038 --> 00:27:53,239


408
00:27:53,272 --> 00:27:56,809
So they send
unintentional books.

409
00:27:57,376 --> 00:28:00,980
And I don't know how it will be received,

410
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,215
because I know that
is very strange.

411
00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:07,019
I haven't seen anything else
like it out there.

412
00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:08,955
And we start
get a review again.

413
00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:13,960
And they really,
very good.

414
00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:17,463
And that is the most interesting feeling  to get this response

415
00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,099
from this book
which I don't mean to write.

416
00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:23,469
[player click video]

417
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:24,937
[player click video]

418
00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:51,330
Today we will do
"Sarah" by JT LeRoy.

419
00:28:51,363 --> 00:28:54,433
JT LeRoy
is a very young American writer

420
00:28:54,466 --> 00:28:56,803


421
00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:58,304
Who explodes
on the literary scene.

422
00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:01,340
That makes me think
all Southern stories -

423
00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,943
Flannery O'Connor
and Faulkner.

424
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:05,477
South Gothic superstar
Yes.

425
00:29:05,511 --> 00:29:07,947
There are many Truman Capote
in this man.

426
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:11,083
And I really like this young boy.

427
00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:15,287
And a collision between
naivety and maturity.

428
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:20,759
It's like this a little weird
a supernova called Sarah.

429
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,097
Albert:
JT LeRoy is very, very shy.

430
00:29:25,131 --> 00:29:27,066
He can't do readings.

431
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,402
So people suggest,
can't read it?

432
00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:31,537
Let us read it.

433
00:29:33,305 --> 00:29:35,842
So it's
first reading,

434
00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:36,976
and I am there.

435
00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:38,010
[Bell slamming]

436
00:29:38,044 --> 00:29:39,979
And nobody
knows I'm there.

437
00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,380
Hi everyone.

438
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:44,183
Congratulations on reading
for JT LeRoy's book, "Sarah,"

439
00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,551
who just came out.

440
00:29:46,418 --> 00:29:49,188
"Le Loup uses flashier
lights, but thin people

441
00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:51,323
as talks spread luck
turn evil

442
00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,994
after visiting me,
patron saint of truck driver."

443
00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:56,262
[Applause]

444
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,165
Albert: I will die
if anyone knows

445
00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:03,535
because I'm big and I'm
uncomfortable on my skin.

446
00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:06,005
And all of them
come to hear

447
00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:09,141
This is really hip, new,
cool writer,

448
00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:10,142
and I am not that.

449
00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,879
[Conversation unclear]

450
00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:16,115
**

451
00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,118
Alright
this is Laura again.

452
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:21,888
I just started
very depressed,

453
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:25,524
and I know being at home
really betrayed me.

454
00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:29,996
And my mother, like, doesn't
know what to do with me.

455
00:30:30,029 --> 00:30:31,463
So I want to get help.

456
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,401
We go to this place,
St. Vincents.

457
00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:38,470
This is a mental institution -
like a trash can.

458
00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:41,874
And we pack my things
and we go.

459
00:30:41,908 --> 00:30:44,043
We boarded the unit.

460
00:30:44,076 --> 00:30:45,611
There are these old people

461
00:30:45,644 --> 00:30:49,916
just walking
in Thorazine's gaze.

462
00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:52,284
This is a very scary place
13 years old to enter,

463
00:30:52,318 --> 00:30:54,053
but I feel safe
Because I'm like,

464
00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:55,587
"Hey, I'm with my mother."

465
00:30:55,621 --> 00:30:57,556
And then I said,
"Okay, you know, Mom,

466
00:30:57,589 --> 00:30:59,992
I've had enough with this,
I want to go."

467
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:03,095
And he said to me,
"I left, you stayed."

468
00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:13,305
So "Sarah" is in the world of
to get great praise

469
00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:15,641
and they want more JT LeRoy.

470
00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:20,379
So we took the collection
the old Terminator story.

471
00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:25,451
LeRoy: All the
voices in my head scream at me.

472
00:31:25,484 --> 00:31:28,955
And I can't look out again.

473
00:31:29,288 --> 00:31:34,093
I can only see
large wooden electric chairs,

474
00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:36,695
cable, waiting, and blank.

475
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:41,133
And the Horned One,
with his wet blood claws,

476
00:31:41,167 --> 00:31:44,370
gripping silver gray
switch.

477
00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:46,973
[Electric buzzing]

478
00:31:47,006 --> 00:31:48,240
Laura Albert: We give the title,

479
00:31:48,274 --> 00:31:51,243
"The Heart is Deceitful
Above All Things."

480
00:31:51,277 --> 00:31:56,282
And that happens
The next novel is JT LeRoy.

481
00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:57,683
[player click video]

482
00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:40,959
[player click video]

483
00:32:41,727 --> 00:32:45,197
[Horn horn]

484
00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:48,300
JT has enough followers.

485
00:32:48,334 --> 00:32:50,769
Some people call it
as a sect follower.

486
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:53,005
I came because
I really want to see

487
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,340
what are all the hype about.

488
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:58,210
He was created, you know,
uh, this rumor around him.

489
00:32:58,244 --> 00:33:01,580
The specialty of JT LeRoy
is buzz.

490
00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,350
Lack of a body
in a funeral

491
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,119
makes it so much
more interesting.

492
00:33:07,153 --> 00:33:09,655
Because JT doesn't come out
and read for itself,

493
00:33:09,688 --> 00:33:12,558
he has a lot of
supporting celebrity groups

494
00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,227
who will come out and read
his work because they love him.

495
00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:19,465
Well, I feel like I have -
new good friends

496
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,233
because I already -
I have talked to him

497
00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:22,468
on the phone all week.

498
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:23,769
[Video player clicks]

499
00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:33,279
In "Sarah," -
bone raccoon

500
00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,214
is a kind of badge of honor.

501
00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:36,515
This, um...

502
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:39,485
the equivalent of a prostitute
from a military sling,

503
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,687
or Scout achievement badge.

504
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,323
I can't bring myself
to bring, uh,

505
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:45,757
at this stage of my life...
[Laughs]

506
00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:50,096
uh... the penis of another mammal
rests on my neck.

507
00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:52,731
Silverberg: The one signed
JT LeRoy penis bone raccoon

508
00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:55,267
is a brilliant work
ephemera.

509
00:33:55,301 --> 00:33:56,535
They sell!
They sell.

510
00:33:56,568 --> 00:33:58,504
People buy this
bone raccoon penis.

511
00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:01,673
It's as close as anyone
will get JT LeRoy.

512
00:34:05,244 --> 00:34:07,313
Um... Yes, I did.

513
00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:08,747
I believe that I will meet him.

514
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:10,416
I do.

515
00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:12,284
[player click video]

516
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,536
[player click video]

517
00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:34,540
Laura Albert:
So, the books took off,
especially abroad,

518
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:38,244
and you have German media
really, really want

519
00:34:38,277 --> 00:34:42,281
to broadcast live,
direct interview.

520
00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:45,851
JT LeRoy
must walk between us.

521
00:34:45,884 --> 00:34:48,387
**

522
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,557
One day Savannah
has ended in our house,

523
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:54,126
and he
sits on the sofa,

524
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,829
and he shaved his head
and colored his hair with blue,

525
00:34:57,863 --> 00:35:01,300
and he wants it
to try on my glasses.

526
00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:02,701
I have this straw hat,

527
00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:05,437
and I gave him
bone penis raccoon,

528
00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:09,308
and he chewed it
like corn cobs.

529
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:13,312
And I see it
and I say,

530
00:35:13,345 --> 00:35:16,114
"You know,
you look like JT LeRoy."

531
00:35:18,484 --> 00:35:20,352
So I came up with an idea -

532
00:35:20,386 --> 00:35:21,920
only once.

533
00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:25,391
You wear sunglasses,
a cute blonde wig.

534
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:27,359
We will, like, tie your breasts.

535
00:35:27,393 --> 00:35:29,328
This will be very fast.

536
00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:30,662
You will get 50 dollars.

537
00:35:30,696 --> 00:35:33,932
[Cash]
And he fell.

538
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:37,369
**

539
00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,770
Laura Albert:
When we were filming,

540
00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,473
Savannah is standing
on Polk Street,

541
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,375
types of tattered clothes,

542
00:36:16,408 --> 00:36:18,644
looks like a street dealer.

543
00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:27,553
Laura Albert:
I am very afraid that he
cannot articulate it.

544
00:36:27,586 --> 00:36:31,890
And they interviewed Savannah -
they interviewed JT.

545
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,602
Laura Albert:
And it's amazing to watch

546
00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:46,938
how he actually lives in him.

547
00:36:46,972 --> 00:36:52,778
He only has that feature
which is more masculine,

548
00:36:52,811 --> 00:36:56,715
which is very fitting
for a teenage boy.

549
00:37:04,423 --> 00:37:05,857
Perfect Savannah,

550
00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:09,795
and this is really
free moment

551
00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:13,432
because almost
like in "Frankenstein,"

552
00:37:13,465 --> 00:37:15,667
"Let there be life."

553
00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:23,842
I'm watching JT directly.

554
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:34,686
Laura Albert:
Um, I was ostracized,

555
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,289
and people like,
"You are in a mental hospital."

556
00:37:37,323 --> 00:37:39,891
You are crazy.

557
00:37:40,626 --> 00:37:41,660
Laura Albert:
I feel like a mismatch.

558
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:45,297
I am completely isolated.

559
00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:49,868
And I found this secret society,
and that is mine.

560
00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:52,404
In grade 9, I entered punk.

561
00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:53,872
That - it helps me, okay?

562
00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:56,842
I have a lot of problems,
and that helps me.

563
00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:00,346
I get my little fingers,
Generation X,

564
00:38:00,379 --> 00:38:01,947
and Sex Pistols.

565
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,384
I heard that note,
and my fate was sealed.

566
00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:07,018
I mean that's everything.

567
00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:08,720
That's it.

568
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,456
But I will only come out

569
00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:12,458
if I feel
My weight decreases,

570
00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:15,894
if I can get into clothes
that's pretty punk.

571
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:18,564
There is nothing worse
than being a fat punk.

572
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,902
So I will send my sister
in the world to live for me.

573
00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:28,907
Jojo is my avatar
in punk.

574
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:31,777
I will dress it up,
I use makeup,

575
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,779
I will arrange her hair.

576
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:37,383
I have a leather jacket.

577
00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,885
I will put a badge on him.

578
00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:43,054
I will choose a T-shirt.

579
00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:44,790
I perfected his appearance,

580
00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,793
which is a two-sex boundary
.

581
00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:51,897
Like he can become a man,
but he also looks cute.

582
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:56,368
I will tell him
who will he talk to,

583
00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:59,871
who he will meet,

584
00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:02,641
and he must report
back to me.

585
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,109
And I sent it away.

586
00:39:04,976 --> 00:39:06,945
I am very intense
away in the scene

587
00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:08,847
because I might be able to -

588
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,016
live in my head,
see it revealed

589
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:13,985
without actually
must be there.

590
00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:16,988
**

591
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,157
[Engine revs]

592
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:24,963
Hey, Mikey, how long have I been on the street?

593
00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:26,732
on this crusade?

594
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:30,068
I like Gus Van Sant
"My Own Private Idaho."

595
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:33,505
So when he wants it
to the option "Sarah,"

596
00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:35,641
as if we were following

597
00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:37,876
existing paths
are destined.

598
00:39:37,909 --> 00:39:39,778
[player click video]

599
00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:55,694
[player click video]

600
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,928
Like JT LeRoy,

601
00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,931
I have hours of
conversations with him.

602
00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:03,869
But now, we have to meet him.

603
00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:08,139
How can I do it?
give all the details,

604
00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:11,910
little things
to Savannah?

605
00:40:11,943 --> 00:40:14,913
What if they talk about movies?

606
00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:19,518
He came to San Francisco,

607
00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:22,153
and he brought the actor
Michael Pitt with him.

608
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:24,956
So we went to a restaurant,

609
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:26,858
and we wait for
Gus to appear,

610
00:40:26,892 --> 00:40:29,127
and I'm very nervous.

611
00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:31,630
I am his assistant.

612
00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:35,501
But I have to be
advocate for this book

613
00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,736
and finish the job.

614
00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:38,770
So we met Gus.

615
00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:40,038
[player click video]

616
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:00,826
[player click video]

617
00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:02,193
They bring out

618
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:05,664
all of this really,
a very expensive dish.

619
00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:06,932
And I really want to find out

620
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,634
what he wants to do
with "Sarah."

621
00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:09,868
[player click video]

622
00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:25,684
[player click video]

623
00:41:25,717 --> 00:41:26,852
And it's like,

624
00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:28,587
"Why does he have to speak
to Speedie,

625
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:32,090
JT Assistant,
about his plan for 'Sarah.' "

626
00:41:32,123 --> 00:41:35,260
And Speedie
is on Gus's face.

627
00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:37,128
[British Accent]
Oh, Gus, God, you know

628
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:41,767
"My Own Private Idaho"
very good.

629
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,570
River Phoenix, oh, my God, what is he like?

630
00:41:44,603 --> 00:41:47,873
Oy, Gus, damn barnyard accident -

631
00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:52,110
How is this?
do you do that, buddy?

632
00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:55,280
[Normal sound]
Speedie must overcompensate

633
00:41:55,313 --> 00:42:00,151
with this kind of entertainment,
fat girl persona.

634
00:42:01,286 --> 00:42:05,056
And I really feel
very bad about myself.

635
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,292
I'm big.

636
00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:12,130
I feel very embarrassed
about my body.

637
00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:18,103
that it really empowers
so Speedie takes over.

638
00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:22,808
We are outside the restaurant
with Gus Van Sant,

639
00:42:22,841 --> 00:42:25,611
and we just hang out

640
00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:30,882
and JT and Mike Pitt
are smoking.

641
00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:35,220
And, the next thing I know,
they kiss.

642
00:43:02,347 --> 00:43:03,348
[player click video]

643
00:43:03,381 --> 00:43:04,783
Be "Sarah" like

644
00:43:04,816 --> 00:43:07,152
a message in a bottle
to the world.

645
00:43:07,185 --> 00:43:13,659
And suddenly another artist
wants that connection.

646
00:43:13,692 --> 00:43:17,729
* Give yourself away

647
00:43:17,763 --> 00:43:21,099
* And you give yourself away

648
00:43:21,132 --> 00:43:24,069
We were given VIP tickets,
we went backstage,

649
00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:26,872
and we go to intimate
after the party.

650
00:43:26,905 --> 00:43:28,339
The Edge is there,

651
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:33,111
and I watch Bono
call JT.

652
00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:35,246
And I know what will happen.

653
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,817
That happens
for all artists

654
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:41,052
when they arrived.

655
00:43:41,086 --> 00:43:46,324
This is their admiration
for what will happen next.

656
00:43:46,357 --> 00:43:49,795
That is to help deliver them
through the portal.

657
00:43:49,828 --> 00:43:53,231
You have Bono talks.

658
00:43:53,264 --> 00:43:54,332
[Dings]

659
00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:58,236
* Magic
and destiny rotation *

660
00:43:58,269 --> 00:44:01,673
Albert: So I saw Bono
curled closer

661
00:44:01,707 --> 00:44:03,742
with his arms around JT,

662
00:44:03,775 --> 00:44:05,243
and if you don't know better,

663
00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:09,314
You will think
they are father and son.

664
00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:14,152
And Bono was very loving
gave him industry advice.

665
00:44:14,185 --> 00:44:17,856
"Be careful with sharks,
Be yourself,

666
00:44:17,889 --> 00:44:20,926
and never forget where you came from."

667
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:24,996
While JT is getting
Bono talks,

668
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:27,866
Speedie is getting closer
the manager is talking.

669
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,871
Paul McGuinness, U2 manager,
comes to Speedie

670
00:44:32,904 --> 00:44:34,172
and he said,

671
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:37,375
"Hey, do you see what my daughter is doing for you?

672
00:44:37,408 --> 00:44:39,377
[As a Speedie] Ah, what happened? Your son did it for me?"  [Normal Voice] And he whipped
out Rolling Stone magazine.

673
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:43,715


674
00:44:43,749 --> 00:44:45,183
And that's it.

675
00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:48,319
"Bono says, 'That heart Dec Deceitful Above All Things'

676
00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:50,756
[As Bono]
blows my mind.

677
00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:53,158
**

678
00:44:53,191 --> 00:44:56,394
[Applause and applause]

679
00:45:07,906 --> 00:45:10,375
I am 16 years 17.

680
00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:14,179
And I am committed again
for the second time.

681
00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:16,948
And the social worker
is very clear

682
00:45:16,982 --> 00:45:20,051
that I must really
not go home.

683
00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,053
So my parents give up,

684
00:45:22,087 --> 00:45:24,756
and I become
state ward.

685
00:45:25,991 --> 00:45:28,126
And I finally
in a friendly home,

686
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,329
group house, run by
Jewish childcare agency.

687
00:45:33,031 --> 00:45:36,201
One day I saw this beautiful skinhead,

688
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:39,370
depends outside
the New Yorker theater film,

689
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:46,077
and he has braces
and Doc Martens cow-blood.

690
00:45:46,111 --> 00:45:48,513
We just saw
The Who, "Quadrophenia,"

691
00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:51,282
and I think,
"How do I approach it?"

692
00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,351
and I decided to use it
a British accent,

693
00:45:53,384 --> 00:45:56,121
because I don't know anything
will be more unbearable

694
00:45:56,154 --> 00:45:59,057
to a British-style skinhead.

695
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,994
And we fall in love.

696
00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:06,097
I will take it
to the group's house,

697
00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,799
and all girls will know
I am English.

698
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:09,968
[British accent]
Hello, this is my boyfriend.

699
00:46:10,001 --> 00:46:11,169
This is Mick.

700
00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:12,804
Yes, so, uh,
he will, like,

701
00:46:12,838 --> 00:46:14,239
join us for dinner.

702
00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,507
[Laughter]
He is like, you know,
"What's funny?

703
00:46:16,541 --> 00:46:18,076
Are they laughing at me?"

704
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:19,244
Oh no, no, no, they are only -

705
00:46:19,277 --> 00:46:20,912
they don't have
a skinhead ends.

706
00:46:20,946 --> 00:46:23,081
They just think it's funny.

707
00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:25,016
[Normal voice] Maybe it's about four months

708
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:26,317
going out with each other

709
00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:29,154
before he knows
that I am not English.

710
00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:41,099
[Heart monitor sounds]

711
00:46:45,003 --> 00:46:46,437
[player click video]

712
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:13,865
[player click video]

713
00:47:13,899 --> 00:47:17,302
Albert: Suddenly,
JT is the person who entered

714
00:47:17,335 --> 00:47:19,104
for the fashion world.

715
00:47:20,939 --> 00:47:26,912
And makes JT an
icon for

716
00:47:26,945 --> 00:47:30,381
mode sensibility  very, very real.

717
00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:35,453
Because of that
right at that time

718
00:47:35,486 --> 00:47:40,458
where I started
to be able to dress myself

719
00:47:40,491 --> 00:47:44,129
not just dressing
avatars.

720
00:47:46,597 --> 00:47:47,865
[player click video]

721
00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:16,594
[player click video]

722
00:48:16,627 --> 00:48:18,096
Italians like JT.

723
00:48:18,129 --> 00:48:20,231
The books are number one
and number two

724
00:48:20,265 --> 00:48:22,167
on the best-selling list.

725
00:48:25,003 --> 00:48:29,374
Being an Italian publisher, Fazi,
brings JT and Speedie

726
00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:32,643
to Italy to read.

727
00:48:32,677 --> 00:48:36,982
Asia Argento used to be
this big Italian star.

728
00:48:37,015 --> 00:48:39,384
We have seen the film "xXx."

729
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,220
He plays, like,
a Russian action star.

730
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:43,521
[Gunfire]

731
00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:46,024
Weapon.
There are more
weapons here behind.

732
00:48:46,057 --> 00:48:47,993
**

733
00:48:48,026 --> 00:48:52,097
Laura Albert:
His father is Dario Argento,
master of horror.

734
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:53,664
-Aah!
-Aah!

735
00:48:53,698 --> 00:48:56,134
Aah!
-No, no, no!

736
00:48:56,167 --> 00:48:57,435
No!
[panting]

737
00:48:57,468 --> 00:49:00,171
Laura Albert: And Asia
have got the books.

738
00:49:00,205 --> 00:49:01,572
[player click video]

739
00:49:21,759 --> 00:49:23,094
[player click video]

740
00:49:23,128 --> 00:49:26,164
And he hopes
to convince JT

741
00:49:26,197 --> 00:49:28,266
to give him rights.

742
00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:30,701
And we meet Asia.

743
00:49:30,735 --> 00:49:34,639
Like Speedie, I go to him,
and I say,

744
00:49:34,672 --> 00:49:36,707
[British Accent] "Oh, this is
very happy to meet you,

745
00:49:36,741 --> 00:49:38,376
God, you are very beautiful.

746
00:49:38,409 --> 00:49:41,646
You look like
Drew Barrymore young."

747
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,450
[Normal Voice] So Italian
publishers are very excited,

748
00:49:45,483 --> 00:49:48,553
because there are
this great literary event,

749
00:49:48,586 --> 00:49:54,225
and somehow,
they pressed JT to the bill.

750
00:49:54,259 --> 00:49:55,526
So when we get there,

751
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,197
there are fans
waiting for us to arrive.

752
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,266
And, Savannah is starting to get nervous,

753
00:50:01,299 --> 00:50:04,369
because he hasn't finished yet
read beforehand.

754
00:50:04,402 --> 00:50:07,705
So, he entered the port toilet,
and he vomited.

755
00:50:07,738 --> 00:50:09,440
[Women vomit]

756
00:50:09,474 --> 00:50:11,176
It's time for him to continue.

757
00:50:11,209 --> 00:50:16,047
And our host presents JT LeRoy,
best-selling author,

758
00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:17,115
to Milan.

759
00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:21,186
And I really want
to protect the anonymity.

760
00:50:21,219 --> 00:50:25,156
He wears sunglasses
and an visor.

761
00:50:26,191 --> 00:50:29,494
He was very scared,
his body was trembling,

762
00:50:29,527 --> 00:50:33,364
so I thought,
"What will Warhol do?"

763
00:50:33,398 --> 00:50:36,234
I told him under the table.

764
00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:37,635
Damn them.

765
00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:39,670
And he did it.

766
00:50:39,704 --> 00:50:43,708
He takes the microphone
and walks under the table.

767
00:50:43,741 --> 00:50:45,376
and he is reading,

768
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:48,079
and you almost can't
hear his voice.

769
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,615
LeRoy:
[Speaking unclear]

770
00:50:50,648 --> 00:50:53,251
I look at his oversized hand

771
00:50:53,284 --> 00:50:55,320
when they hold the stairs tightly,

772
00:50:55,353 --> 00:50:58,323
just as I see it
Hold one of the girls' wrists  when he dragged it
to another room...

773
00:50:58,356 --> 00:51:00,525
And after that,
there is silence.

774
00:51:00,558 --> 00:51:03,794
And then there are these
big waves of applause.

775
00:51:04,795 --> 00:51:08,433
[Applause]

776
00:51:08,466 --> 00:51:11,402
And he suddenly realized
that he was in the stadium,

777
00:51:11,436 --> 00:51:15,806
and it's crowded.

778
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,442
And he jumped.

779
00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,544
And he turned around,

780
00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:22,313
and go face first
to the microphone.

781
00:51:22,347 --> 00:51:26,217
and you only hear from
the entire audience gasp,

782
00:51:26,251 --> 00:51:31,156
then they go, "Ohh",

783
00:51:31,189 --> 00:51:33,558
and they like it...

784
00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:36,194


785
00:51:36,227 --> 00:51:38,229
[Applause and applause]

786
00:51:38,263 --> 00:51:39,864
... and he ran away.

787
00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:44,101
And that's perfect.

788
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:46,604
That's perfect.

789
00:51:48,539 --> 00:51:56,447
So JT and Asia soon,
JT just fell in love.

790
00:51:56,481 --> 00:52:00,718
Asia sweeps JT from his leg.

791
00:52:00,751 --> 00:52:03,521
And I am tied to his leg.

792
00:52:03,554 --> 00:52:06,491
I am the tail of a kite that is coming.

793
00:52:06,524 --> 00:52:08,859
This is June, this is Rome,

794
00:52:08,893 --> 00:52:11,562
I watch
JT go with Asia.

795
00:52:11,596 --> 00:52:14,732
It was made very clear
that I was on the road.

796
00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:19,204
That's kind of like,
"Speedie, go home."

797
00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:21,839
I feel very lonely,

798
00:52:21,872 --> 00:52:24,875
because my Barbie doll
has come back to life,

799
00:52:24,909 --> 00:52:26,911
and there must be
those feelings

800
00:52:26,944 --> 00:52:29,514
they won't mind
kill me.

801
00:52:31,216 --> 00:52:33,751
JT back to the hotel
where we are

802
00:52:33,784 --> 00:52:36,287
with lipstick
his whole face,

803
00:52:36,321 --> 00:52:38,155
smells like Asian perfume.

804
00:52:38,923 --> 00:52:42,760
And he is tall,
and the wig is released.

805
00:52:42,793 --> 00:52:46,464
And he has something
happens.

806
00:52:46,497 --> 00:52:49,667
["La Donna e Mobile"
by Giuseppe Verdi plays]

807
00:52:54,572 --> 00:52:56,774
And he is in cloud nine.

808
00:52:56,807 --> 00:52:59,644
And he doesn't do it
want to talk to me.

809
00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:04,215
And all I have to remind you is that you are on the clock.

810
00:53:04,249 --> 00:53:05,383
You are on a dime.

811
00:53:05,416 --> 00:53:06,717
It's about movies.

812
00:53:06,751 --> 00:53:09,820
I have to know,
because when we're on the phone,

813
00:53:09,854 --> 00:53:14,392
he might call me,
not necessarily JT,

814
00:53:14,425 --> 00:53:16,461
and I have to match that.

815
00:53:16,494 --> 00:53:17,695
[player click video]

816
00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:40,918
[player click video]

817
00:53:40,951 --> 00:53:43,020
Laura Albert:
Asia will get the book

818
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,523
one way or another.

819
00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:51,496
He will do anything,
anything that needs to be done,

820
00:53:51,529 --> 00:53:53,698
and I respect that,

821
00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:58,836
and I think,
"Yes, you can make this film."

822
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:06,444
So Gus and JT
speak all the time,

823
00:54:06,477 --> 00:54:08,313
and they get along well

824
00:54:08,346 --> 00:54:11,382
that Gus agreed to do it
shooting

825
00:54:11,416 --> 00:54:12,883
for Abercrombie and Fitch,

826
00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:17,622
where JT literally
walks on water.

827
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:22,026
The choice of Gus on "Sarah"
has expired,

828
00:54:22,059 --> 00:54:26,764
but he has a project,
that I love very much.

829
00:54:26,797 --> 00:54:29,900
It's based on Columbine...

830
00:54:29,934 --> 00:54:30,868
[Shots]

831
00:54:30,901 --> 00:54:35,072
... and see children
carrying weapons to schools,

832
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:36,974
and kill everyone.

833
00:54:37,007 --> 00:54:39,076
[sound breaking]
They, like, start exploding

834
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:41,612
and shoot everyone
in the cafeteria.

835
00:54:41,646 --> 00:54:42,947
And then you can
hear them laugh.

836
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:46,484
And, has been disturbed

837
00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:48,353
in the hallway
my grammar school,

838
00:54:48,386 --> 00:54:53,891
I can't wait to go home
and run away into my doll,

839
00:54:53,924 --> 00:54:57,362
because the school is only torture.

840
00:54:57,395 --> 00:55:00,765
I was constantly ridiculed and laughed

841
00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:03,300
and ridiculed because of my weight.

842
00:55:05,603 --> 00:55:07,004
My name is Laura Albert,

843
00:55:07,037 --> 00:55:11,409
my last name is Albert,
and I'm fat.

844
00:55:11,442 --> 00:55:14,479
And when I enter school
all children will scream...

845
00:55:14,512 --> 00:55:16,614
Man: Hey, hey, hey.

846
00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:18,649
This is Fat Albert.

847
00:55:18,683 --> 00:55:19,950
That - it's terrible.

848
00:55:19,984 --> 00:55:23,654
That only -
never stops.

849
00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:28,125
So when Gus said,
"I have this project,"

850
00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:29,860
that's all he needs to say.

851
00:55:29,894 --> 00:55:33,531
That night, I just sat
and wrote the first scene,

852
00:55:33,564 --> 00:55:35,966
which he finally uses.

853
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,003
It's a girl
it's not interesting,

854
00:55:39,036 --> 00:55:40,705
he is overweight,

855
00:55:40,738 --> 00:55:42,540
he is in the library.

856
00:55:42,573 --> 00:55:44,141
And he was shot.

857
00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:45,410
Michelle: Hi, you guys -

858
00:55:45,443 --> 00:55:46,677
[Sound shot]

859
00:55:46,711 --> 00:55:48,446
[Gun cocks]

860
00:55:48,479 --> 00:55:51,482
I wrote the whole script,
but the problem is,

861
00:55:51,516 --> 00:55:53,418
Gus has been through the portal.

862
00:55:53,451 --> 00:55:56,487
He was truly inspired by
auteur B├⌐la Tarr

863
00:55:56,521 --> 00:56:00,825
who will do this
a very long tracking shot,

864
00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:04,662
and he is also very interested
improvised.

865
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:05,963
Hey, what are you doing?

866
00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:07,698
Exit.
Do not come back.

867
00:56:07,732 --> 00:56:08,899
[player click video]

868
00:56:28,619 --> 00:56:29,854
[player click video]

869
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,954
In my dream,

870
00:57:03,988 --> 00:57:07,057
I am a rock star,
and I am Miss America,

871
00:57:07,091 --> 00:57:10,027
and I am a tap dancer,
and you know.

872
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:13,030
There are many things
I want to do it,

873
00:57:13,063 --> 00:57:17,468
but I think I -
I am more interested in -

874
00:57:17,502 --> 00:57:22,507
I mean music
even more than literature.

875
00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:24,509
This is a faster impact

876
00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:28,178
from, um, an artist
passes someone

877
00:57:28,212 --> 00:57:29,914
and share their vision.

878
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:33,784
When the name
becomes JT LeRoy

879
00:57:33,818 --> 00:57:35,786
and "Sarah" published,

880
00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:40,190
I have felt anxious about the way the Terminator

881
00:57:40,224 --> 00:57:42,793
managing his career.

882
00:57:42,827 --> 00:57:48,499
I want to keep it
presence of pure literature.

883
00:57:48,533 --> 00:57:49,600
and more,

884
00:57:49,634 --> 00:57:51,201
I hear this celebrity

885
00:57:51,235 --> 00:57:52,837
added to the mixture.

886
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:59,243
Ira Silverberg: That's
the door of a celebrity spinning,

887
00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:01,712
are both marginal and real.

888
00:58:03,881 --> 00:58:07,117
My fear is JT LeRoy
won't be taken seriously

889
00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:10,988
if the only one there is
is a celebrity veneer.

890
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:14,892
I pulled JT aside and said,

891
00:58:14,925 --> 00:58:16,894
"It's time to go back to writing."

892
00:58:16,927 --> 00:58:18,629
It's time to be
a writer again.

893
00:58:18,663 --> 00:58:21,198
That's all you have.

894
00:58:21,231 --> 00:58:23,768
Gianopaolos: I am worried
that he is too interested in

895
00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:26,103
to the world of art,
world of cinema,
world of fashion,

896
00:58:26,136 --> 00:58:28,606
especially as the book
starts to run well,

897
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,642
and he is interested in
in more than the world of music.

898
00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:32,743
LeRoy: This is about me.

899
00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:35,012
Oh, it's about the story.

900
00:58:35,045 --> 00:58:38,015
Gianopaolos:
I remember this extraordinary
amount of time

901
00:58:38,048 --> 00:58:41,819
which JT
spent writing lyrics for this band.

902
00:58:43,621 --> 00:58:44,789
Okay, we are Thistle.

903
00:58:44,822 --> 00:58:48,225
**

904
00:59:21,726 --> 00:59:26,997
I fell in love with Geoff
because he was a musician who was born.

905
00:59:27,998 --> 00:59:32,269
The dream, the goal is always to be a rock star.

906
00:59:33,337 --> 00:59:36,206
And I really want it to be a singer.

907
00:59:37,141 --> 00:59:41,345
And we work together
all the time in our music.

908
00:59:41,946 --> 00:59:43,981
I will write
melody and lyrics,

909
00:59:44,014 --> 00:59:46,917
and he will combine it.

910
00:59:46,951 --> 00:59:50,154
And I like
what he gets,

911
00:59:50,187 --> 00:59:54,158
so we start a relationship.

912
00:59:56,293 --> 00:59:58,796
And now,
even though Geoff and I

913
00:59:58,829 --> 01:00:01,065
still
creating music together,

914
01:00:01,098 --> 01:00:04,234
it feels like that
I move more towards

915
01:00:04,268 --> 01:00:09,139
living with his sister
instead of living with him.

916
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:13,143
And I really want
maintain our connection

917
01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:15,946
and his dreams and dreams live.

918
01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:18,849
So we started
sending music out,

919
01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:20,918
and of course,
who wrote the lyrics?

920
01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:22,319
JT LeRoy.

921
01:00:22,352 --> 01:00:25,122
Who wrote the melody?
JT LeRoy.

922
01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:27,357
Who sang it?
Speedie.

923
01:00:27,858 --> 01:00:29,159
[Video player clicks]

924
01:00:57,354 --> 01:01:00,725
And Speedie really changes to a new character
.

925
01:01:00,758 --> 01:01:06,130
Instead of being a JT handler,
fat, hide in the background,

926
01:01:06,163 --> 01:01:10,835
now I'm Emily Easier,
vocalist of Thistle,

927
01:01:10,868 --> 01:01:13,904
and we appeared
all JT readings.

928
01:01:14,271 --> 01:01:15,940
[Conversation unclear]

929
01:01:15,973 --> 01:01:17,174
[Guitar chords playing]

930
01:01:30,354 --> 01:01:34,124
**

931
01:01:34,158 --> 01:01:36,060
Albert:
I was singing on stage -

932
01:01:36,093 --> 01:01:39,730
me, Speedie,
now Emily Frasier.

933
01:01:39,764 --> 01:01:43,868
And next to me playing guitar,
is Geoff, my partner,

934
01:01:43,901 --> 01:01:49,306
Brother Savannah, Astor -
The former Terminator lover.

935
01:01:49,339 --> 01:01:52,076
And then, dancing in front of us
in the audience

936
01:01:52,109 --> 01:01:55,312
is Savannah, my son's aunt -
JT LeRoy.

937
01:01:55,345 --> 01:01:58,248
So the level doesn't make sense.

938
01:02:01,185 --> 01:02:02,452
[player click video]

939
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,234
[player click video]

940
01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:18,769
[Conversation unclear]

941
01:02:18,803 --> 01:02:21,471
**

942
01:02:21,505 --> 01:02:24,809
Albert: For the release
JT Leroy's third book,

943
01:02:24,842 --> 01:02:26,143
"Harold's End,"

944
01:02:26,176 --> 01:02:29,113
Deitch Gallery
organizes a large event.

945
01:02:31,381 --> 01:02:35,119
Lou Reed is on stage,
brings Natoma Street to life.

946
01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:37,521
He crossed his legs.

947
01:02:37,554 --> 01:02:39,156
"18," I said.

948
01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:44,061
Albert: And everyone
tries to have a moment with JT.

949
01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:46,030
I go to the balcony,

950
01:02:46,063 --> 01:02:49,166
and I look down
crowd.

951
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,135
And I see my father.

952
01:02:51,168 --> 01:02:52,970
I invited him.

953
01:02:53,003 --> 01:02:55,239
And he just laughed.

954
01:02:56,907 --> 01:02:59,877
And that is a moment of pride.

955
01:03:00,244 --> 01:03:02,379
He saw me hospitalized.

956
01:03:02,412 --> 01:03:06,116
He must sign it
the right of self as a parent.

957
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:09,887
And this feels like
a very good gift.

958
01:03:10,387 --> 01:03:13,824
He can't tell anyone,
but he knows.

959
01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:15,993
And that's the most important thing.

960
01:03:16,026 --> 01:03:19,196
**

961
01:03:21,298 --> 01:03:25,135
LeRoy: I showed it
enough to make them interested

962
01:03:25,169 --> 01:03:28,873
who is this mysterious girl
can be.

963
01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:30,374
[Catcall]

964
01:03:30,407 --> 01:03:34,278
I convince myself
I am a comic book hero...

965
01:03:34,311 --> 01:03:35,913
[Zoom!
]

966
01:03:35,946 --> 01:03:38,849
... hiding in the shadows.

967
01:03:38,883 --> 01:03:41,085
I want to say something,

968
01:03:41,118 --> 01:03:44,254
something that will happen
explains everything.

969
01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:47,858
But my eyes are still bowed.

970
01:03:49,593 --> 01:03:51,461
[Solve pumpkin '
"Disarm" plays]  * Cancel you with a smile

971
01:03:51,495 --> 01:03:55,365
* And cutting you like
you want me to *

972
01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:59,136
* Cut the little boy

973
01:03:59,169 --> 01:04:01,872
Albert: I really love Smashing Pumpkins  and no male artist at that time
was talking about child abuse.

974
01:04:01,906 --> 01:04:04,008
So I really hope someday

975
01:04:04,041 --> 01:04:08,112
that JT will have
a chance

976
01:04:08,145 --> 01:04:10,314
to talk to Billy.

977
01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:13,450
[Video player clicks]

978
01:04:13,483 --> 01:04:14,318


979
01:04:14,351 --> 01:04:15,886


980
01:04:39,076 --> 01:04:43,047
So later that night, I have a show - Spaceland.

981
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,182
We get there, and the door
people say, "Where is JT?"

982
01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:48,953
And I said, "Oh, you know,
he's already there.  I have this red hair,
and I have lost weight,

983
01:04:48,986 --> 01:04:51,121
and I feel
maybe even a little pretty.

984
01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:53,257
**

985
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:56,961
And that's amazing.

986
01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:00,998
I am really in front
at this small little club.

987
01:05:01,031 --> 01:05:05,269
**

988
01:05:05,302 --> 01:05:07,437
And that - it feels
he - he looks at me.

989
01:05:07,471 --> 01:05:10,607
**

990
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,677


991
01:05:15,712 --> 01:05:20,150


992
01:05:20,184 --> 01:05:23,153


993
01:05:23,187 --> 01:05:25,255
[Applause and applause]

994
01:05:25,289 --> 01:05:28,125
So after the show,
we go backstage,

995
01:05:28,158 --> 01:05:29,459
and I'm very nervous.

996
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:31,395
Billy sits there
behind,

997
01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:33,197
and he asked me, where is JT?

998
01:05:33,597 --> 01:05:37,534
And I explained, "I am Speedie.
Hi greetings."

999
01:05:37,567 --> 01:05:41,005
JT, he's really...
[Imitating vomit]

1000
01:05:41,038 --> 01:05:43,407
You know, he ran away, sorry. "

1001
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,076
And we just started talking,

1002
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:48,545
and we are connected in a way

1003
01:05:48,578 --> 01:05:54,151
that... the language is not
even capturing.

1004
01:05:54,184 --> 01:06:01,058
And I take
if I can tell him anything...

1005
01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:05,329
... and I realized everything
had moved me

1006
01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:07,464
until then.

1007
01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:11,235
And he motioned for me
to sit next to him,

1008
01:06:11,268 --> 01:06:15,739
and you almost can't
hear each other,

1009
01:06:15,772 --> 01:06:20,410
but I turned to him and to his ear, I said...

1010
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,249
I remember this feeling.

1011
01:06:25,282 --> 01:06:26,783
It feels like I'm Tarzan,

1012
01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:29,719
and I just reach
hold the vine,

1013
01:06:29,753 --> 01:06:33,323
and I'm swinging
above the abyss,

1014
01:06:33,357 --> 01:06:36,726
and I know,
"I will release it."

1015
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,328
[Cries of Tarzan]

1016
01:06:38,362 --> 01:06:44,234
Albert: And I said to him,
"JT is an accident."

1017
01:06:46,436 --> 01:06:49,606
And he said, "I understand
What are you saying.

1018
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:53,043
I do not get all the details,
but I understand. "

1019
01:06:53,077 --> 01:06:54,211
And the rest of the night,

1020
01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:55,612
we only talk about
. Details.  That is the most liberating,
extraordinary feeling,

1021
01:06:55,645 --> 01:07:02,786
and we continue together
and Billy are the heroes too.

1022
01:07:02,819 --> 01:07:06,022
and I was in Billy's room.

1023
01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:11,828
And that's amazing
lie with my ears on his chest

1024
01:07:11,861 --> 01:07:13,263
when he plays and sings.

1025
01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:39,389


1026
01:07:39,423 --> 01:07:41,091


1027
01:07:41,125 --> 01:07:44,628


1028
01:07:44,661 --> 01:07:47,564


1029
01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:52,169


1030
01:07:52,202 --> 01:07:55,239


1031
01:07:55,272 --> 01:08:01,278
I come alive in all things
different levels.

1032
01:08:01,311 --> 01:08:02,479
[Camera shutter clicks]
And finally,

1033
01:08:02,512 --> 01:08:04,481
I don't know what hour
morning,

1034
01:08:04,514 --> 01:08:05,715
Geoff knocked on the door.

1035
01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:07,317
[Knock]

1036
01:08:07,351 --> 01:08:08,585
[Camera shutter clicks]
[Door opens]

1037
01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:11,888
And he said,
"I'm here for my wife."

1038
01:08:11,921 --> 01:08:13,390
[Door closed]

1039
01:08:13,423 --> 01:08:17,127
But who is really unhappy
is JT LeRoy.

1040
01:08:17,161 --> 01:08:20,697
JT is very upset
and he feels like, "Oh, great.

1041
01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:24,268
Laura will steal it
away."

1042
01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:25,802
I surrender myself to Billy

1043
01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:29,506
but that doesn't mean
their relationship ends.

1044
01:08:29,539 --> 01:08:30,540
[Camera shutter clicks]

1045
01:08:30,574 --> 01:08:34,711
So I told him JT was not happy.

1046
01:08:34,744 --> 01:08:39,349
[Camera shutter clicks]
JT still wants an
relationship with you.

1047
01:08:39,383 --> 01:08:41,518
And this is something
I've never done it before.

1048
01:08:41,551 --> 01:08:44,788
[Camera shutter clicks]
While I'm there with Billy,

1049
01:08:44,821 --> 01:08:47,657
physically with him,

1050
01:08:47,691 --> 01:08:52,629
JT in my body, talk to him.

1051
01:08:56,900 --> 01:09:02,306
Now you will leave me

1052
01:09:02,339 --> 01:09:05,442
and I don't want you
to leave me.

1053
01:09:07,411 --> 01:09:13,383
[Camera shutter clicks]
And Billy assured him
that was not true.

1054
01:09:13,417 --> 01:09:14,584
[Camera shutter clicks]

1055
01:09:14,618 --> 01:09:18,255
That he can be there for me,

1056
01:09:18,288 --> 01:09:20,857
he can be there for JT,

1057
01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:24,794
and for others
who come through this body.

1058
01:09:28,465 --> 01:09:32,836
So "The Heart Is Deceitful"
is being created by Asia Argento.

1059
01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:33,937
This is a journey.

1060
01:09:33,970 --> 01:09:36,306
So we fly to Knoxville.

1061
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:37,907
[Airplane whirs]

1062
01:09:37,941 --> 01:09:40,444
And we drive to the set,

1063
01:09:40,477 --> 01:09:42,912
and that is the actual truck stop

1064
01:09:42,946 --> 01:09:48,552
and I have never been
at the truck stop that actually works.

1065
01:09:48,585 --> 01:09:51,455
And I walk
down the long corridor,

1066
01:09:51,488 --> 01:09:54,858
and all sleeping trucks
are on the side

1067
01:09:54,891 --> 01:09:57,794
and that's really
perfect picture.

1068
01:09:57,827 --> 01:10:03,533
They want to make every part
the correct book for life.

1069
01:10:03,567 --> 01:10:06,002
And they are shooting
one of my favorite scenes,

1070
01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:11,808
that is a lizard, where Asia is
playing Sarah, Jeremy's mother,

1071
01:10:11,841 --> 01:10:15,612
and he will
go change some tricks.

1072
01:10:15,645 --> 01:10:18,782
So I joined the set
and no one knew I was there.

1073
01:10:18,815 --> 01:10:21,351
And I watch on the monitor,

1074
01:10:21,385 --> 01:10:23,387
and Asian, this Italian actress,

1075
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:27,357
is playing the West Virginian
the truck stops prostitution.

1076
01:10:27,391 --> 01:10:29,826
And somehow it works.

1077
01:10:29,859 --> 01:10:32,629
It's like a mirror
in a mirror in a mirror

1078
01:10:32,662 --> 01:10:36,300
because everything
was created from my dream,

1079
01:10:36,333 --> 01:10:38,635
which is based on reality.

1080
01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:41,605
Which is based on dreams.

1081
01:10:43,473 --> 01:10:46,710
-And cut it.
-Cut.

1082
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:50,314
Laura Albert:
And everyone is waiting to see it
what will happen

1083
01:10:50,347 --> 01:10:54,017
when JT sees his world.

1084
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:55,852
And I feel it too.

1085
01:10:55,885 --> 01:11:00,490
And I watch JT
take everything.

1086
01:11:00,524 --> 01:11:03,593
And I like,
"It's pretty good right?

1087
01:11:03,627 --> 01:11:05,562
They kind of get it?"

1088
01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:10,300
And JT like, "Wow.

1089
01:11:10,334 --> 01:11:14,904
You guys really made it real."

1090
01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:21,645
[player click video]

1091
01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,522
[Wolf whistle]

1092
01:12:38,555 --> 01:12:40,824
Astor: Hey, doll,
how are you?

1093
01:12:48,598 --> 01:12:49,866
Speedie: More coffee, honey?

1094
01:13:41,150 --> 01:13:42,986
[player click video]

1095
01:14:17,687 --> 01:14:18,955
[player click video]

1096
01:14:18,988 --> 01:14:20,657
**

1097
01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:23,993
[Airplane whirs]

1098
01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:25,929
Laura Albert:
We arrived there at night

1099
01:14:25,962 --> 01:14:27,631
and get off to Cannes,

1100
01:14:27,664 --> 01:14:30,934
which for me like Miami.

1101
01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:33,703
We were introduced to
for all these celebrities

1102
01:14:33,737 --> 01:14:38,207
and they know who JT is.

1103
01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:40,710
[player click video]

1104
01:15:01,264 --> 01:15:04,568
Laura Albert: They are experiencing this big press interview.

1105
01:15:04,601 --> 01:15:06,102
Reporter: Question for JT.

1106
01:15:06,135 --> 01:15:08,672
Laura Albert: They ask
what it's like to be on the road,

1107
01:15:08,705 --> 01:15:09,839
to change the trick,

1108
01:15:09,873 --> 01:15:12,008
what is it like
to dig a coal mine.

1109
01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:16,713
Reporter: Can you talk
close to the microphone?

1110
01:15:16,746 --> 01:15:19,916
JT LeRoy: Yes.
Laura Albert: No one can
understand what he said.

1111
01:15:19,949 --> 01:15:22,251
It doesn't matter
if they can't translate it,

1112
01:15:22,285 --> 01:15:23,587
they just stare.

1113
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:26,089
[Applause]

1114
01:15:26,122 --> 01:15:29,325
Laura Albert: And I realize it's like Mark Twain  "Prince and the Pauper."

1115
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,060
I can try to prove
that I really am a writer -

1116
01:15:31,094 --> 01:15:35,732
I am LeRoy,

1117
01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:37,867
real king -

1118
01:15:37,901 --> 01:15:41,771
and no one will believe me.

1119
01:15:41,805 --> 01:15:44,140
I was there
see JT dress up,

1120
01:15:44,173 --> 01:15:49,178
and they will walk
red carpet,

1121
01:15:49,212 --> 01:15:51,615
[Camera shutter click]
and I'm a mile away.

1122
01:15:51,648 --> 01:15:54,283


1123
01:15:54,317 --> 01:15:57,754
I am not even permitted
on the perimeter.

1124
01:15:57,787 --> 01:15:59,155
Man: We have to go.

1125
01:15:59,188 --> 01:16:04,160
If you see Speedie leaving,
we wait too long.

1126
01:16:04,193 --> 01:16:06,329
Laura Albert: This is a big filter.

1127
01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:07,597
Everyone is at home.

1128
01:16:07,631 --> 01:16:09,098
We have Weinsteins.

1129
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,872
Laura Albert: And it feels like that
The whole world is watching.

1130
01:16:17,206 --> 01:16:20,176
Laura Albert: So, we go to the crowded Cannes cinema  and each head changes,
they have seen JT.

1131
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:24,614
[Applause]

1132
01:16:24,648 --> 01:16:26,182
Laura Albert: I was sitting
there and the crowd roared.

1133
01:16:28,752 --> 01:16:31,955
[Applause]

1134
01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:41,798
Laura Albert:
So the lights are off,

1135
01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:43,700


1136
01:16:43,733 --> 01:16:45,669
curtains up,

1137
01:16:45,702 --> 01:16:48,171
and the movie starts.

1138
01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,975
There is a young Jimmy Bennet
singing Sex Gun,

1139
01:16:52,008 --> 01:16:53,843
slam a Bible.

1140
01:17:06,089 --> 01:17:08,424
And then home explosion meth.

1141
01:17:08,457 --> 01:17:10,326
Buddy runs out of fire

1142
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:12,762
when he chased after
after Sarah and Jeremy

1143
01:17:12,796 --> 01:17:14,931
when they move away from him.

1144
01:17:18,234 --> 01:17:22,038
And the incredible scene where
Asia, playing mother JT,

1145
01:17:22,071 --> 01:17:26,142
Accused outside Piggly Wiggly
shoplifting,

1146
01:17:26,175 --> 01:17:28,111
and open the black rain coat

1147
01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:31,981
to reveal himself
really naked naked.

1148
01:17:32,015 --> 01:17:33,382
Movie Clips:
Want to check my vagina?

1149
01:17:33,416 --> 01:17:34,918
Movie Clips: No, I don't.
Now leave [INAUDIBLE].

1150
01:17:34,951 --> 01:17:36,185
Will he be okay?

1151
01:17:36,219 --> 01:17:38,121
Movie Clips: He is tired.
He will be fine.

1152
01:17:38,154 --> 01:17:40,456
Laura Albert: And I'm sitting
there, watching our movie,

1153
01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:43,059
waiting for our brilliant acting,

1154
01:17:43,092 --> 01:17:46,896
and everything is left
on the cutting room floor.

1155
01:17:49,165 --> 01:17:54,804
And then,
there is only this silence.

1156
01:17:54,838 --> 01:17:58,041
Unless JT is crying.

1157
01:17:58,074 --> 01:18:01,477
And I know I have to entertain JT.

1158
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:03,913
[Applause]

1159
01:18:06,415 --> 01:18:09,418
Laura Albert: It's not a game, it's not a joke.

1160
01:18:09,452 --> 01:18:11,087
[Applause]

1161
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:16,760
Laura Albert: We know that
is the true life story of JT.

1162
01:18:16,793 --> 01:18:21,030
But we also know that as fiction.

1163
01:18:21,064 --> 01:18:24,333
[Applause]

1164
01:18:24,367 --> 01:18:28,037
**

1165
01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:29,973
[Alternate page]

1166
01:18:32,241 --> 01:18:35,044
**

1167
01:18:37,947 --> 01:18:41,785
Laura Albert: I'm watching this HBO program "Deadwood."

1168
01:18:41,818 --> 01:18:45,421
And this sound in my head keeps on going harder and harder.

1169
01:18:45,454 --> 01:18:46,923
Go to Deadwood.

1170
01:18:46,956 --> 01:18:49,859
Go to Deadwood.
Go to Deadwood.

1171
01:18:49,893 --> 01:18:52,295
**

1172
01:18:52,328 --> 01:18:55,364
So like JT, I call the
magazine and I ask them

1173
01:18:55,398 --> 01:18:59,068
"Hey, can I cover 'Deadwood'
for you?

1174
01:18:59,102 --> 01:19:02,538
And they say, alright JT,
whatever you want.  [Video click player]

1175
01:19:02,571 --> 01:19:04,107
[Beep]

1176
01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:11,274
[Video click player]

1177
01:20:41,204 --> 01:20:43,339
Laura Albert: I just felt
possible fields

1178
01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:49,012


1179
01:20:49,045 --> 01:20:52,916
being inside myself
as an artist

1180
01:20:52,949 --> 01:20:58,254
and having my own art
suddenly materializes.

1181
01:21:00,456 --> 01:21:03,392
[Talk is unclear]

1182
01:21:03,426 --> 01:21:06,195
A great one
things about group houses,

1183
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:08,932
do they encourage us
to study.

1184
01:21:08,965 --> 01:21:10,967
[School bell rings]

1185
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,371
So I was accepted
Eugene Lang Seminar College,

1186
01:21:15,404 --> 01:21:17,040
which is part of
New School.

1187
01:21:17,073 --> 01:21:18,374
And I like it.

1188
01:21:18,407 --> 01:21:22,445
I take each class writing
I can get my hand.

1189
01:21:22,478 --> 01:21:26,415
Even when I was little
I wrote all the time.

1190
01:21:26,449 --> 01:21:28,417
The first time I was published

1191
01:21:28,451 --> 01:21:30,453
I am about seven years old,
eight years old.

1192
01:21:30,486 --> 01:21:32,388
I have written stories for school

1193
01:21:32,421 --> 01:21:35,458
and it's called "The Flower
It's Overnight Overnight."

1194
01:21:35,491 --> 01:21:39,328
And I use a male protagonist

1195
01:21:39,362 --> 01:21:42,031
and I am captivated,
I am addicted.

1196
01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:44,333
That is the most amazing
feel in the world.

1197
01:21:48,271 --> 01:21:50,139
In the class write this,

1198
01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:53,176
can know
very good story,

1199
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:56,345
I got the teacher's attention.

1200
01:21:59,315 --> 01:22:02,318
Laura Albert:
I got class attention,

1201
01:22:02,351 --> 01:22:06,489
but I have a teacher writing
and he is very strict

1202
01:22:06,522 --> 01:22:09,458
about girls who write as women
and boys as boys.

1203
01:22:09,492 --> 01:22:12,628
And I told him, I have to write
with a male voice,

1204
01:22:12,661 --> 01:22:15,398
but he won't let me.

1205
01:22:15,431 --> 01:22:17,333
And I submit this story

1206
01:22:17,366 --> 01:22:20,003
deal with some pretty hardcore abuse
.

1207
01:22:20,036 --> 01:22:25,108
Physical violence, sexual abuse
with female voices

1208
01:22:25,141 --> 01:22:28,677
and it kills me.

1209
01:22:28,711 --> 01:22:33,549
And I flipped,
I was having a problem.

1210
01:22:33,582 --> 01:22:36,519
I don't want to have anything
do by writing again.

1211
01:22:36,552 --> 01:22:38,121
I just don't want to do it.

1212
01:22:38,154 --> 01:22:39,955
I can't do it.

1213
01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:44,327
Man: Rolling!
[Snap]

1214
01:22:49,398 --> 01:22:51,667
Laura Albert: I'm sitting
outside the author's room

1215
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,636
and I got a phone call
from a reporter.

1216
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:56,205
[Phone rings,
click tape player]

1217
01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:22,191
[player click video]

1218
01:24:22,225 --> 01:24:25,128
Laura Albert: I feel scared.

1219
01:24:25,161 --> 01:24:29,232
Someone pulls it pretty
hard on the curtain,

1220
01:24:29,265 --> 01:24:32,368
and I don't know
how to turn it off.

1221
01:24:32,401 --> 01:24:35,771
[Beep, ring]
So I called Geoff,
and he told me...

1222
01:24:41,877 --> 01:24:43,279
Laura Albert: Like Pynchon?

1223
01:24:43,312 --> 01:24:44,680
Nobody knows who he is.

1224
01:24:44,713 --> 01:24:48,851
Like Salinger, he's out there,
and now he's gone.

1225
01:24:48,884 --> 01:24:50,753
Just pull the plug.

1226
01:24:50,786 --> 01:24:54,123
That may be
what sane person will do

1227
01:24:54,157 --> 01:24:57,260
if this is a sane situation.

1228
01:24:57,293 --> 01:24:59,362
But I can't do it.

1229
01:24:59,395 --> 01:25:03,466
I will tell him,
I will only go forward.

1230
01:25:03,499 --> 01:25:05,734
[player click video]

1231
01:25:35,331 --> 01:25:37,333
[player click video]

1232
01:25:37,366 --> 01:25:43,239
Laura Albert:
I was in San Francisco when
New York Magazine article about.

1233
01:25:43,272 --> 01:25:45,208
Madeleine Brand [Radio]:
It's Day to Day,
I am a Madeleine brand.

1234
01:25:45,241 --> 01:25:46,742
The author of JT LeRoy has

1235
01:25:46,775 --> 01:25:49,278
it's literally a boy
over the past decade

1236
01:25:49,312 --> 01:25:53,816
but, as it turns out, he may not be
a him, and maybe not even there.

1237
01:25:53,849 --> 01:25:56,852
Here, with more about this
the strange story is Stephen Beachy.

1238
01:25:56,885 --> 01:25:59,288
He recently wrote
Who is Real JT LeRoy?

1239
01:25:59,322 --> 01:26:00,623
for New York Magazine

1240
01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:01,790
and Steven Beachy,
welcome to the show.

1241
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:03,626
Stephen Beachy:
Thanks, Madeleine.

1242
01:26:03,659 --> 01:26:04,860
Madeleine Brand [Radio]:
You do your own detective work,

1243
01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:06,262
and what do you find?

1244
01:26:06,295 --> 01:26:08,931
Stephen Beachy:
It all starts this spring,
when I hear a story

1245
01:26:08,964 --> 01:26:13,236
a woman named Laura Albert
and a man named Geoff Knoop.

1246
01:26:13,269 --> 01:26:18,941
That they are actually behind
all JT Leroy's tricks.

1247
01:26:25,814 --> 01:26:28,684
[Beep]

1248
01:26:56,579 --> 01:26:58,581
Laura Albert:
After the article came out,

1249
01:26:58,614 --> 01:27:02,318
JT goes into full
in violation mode.

1250
01:27:02,351 --> 01:27:06,389
He calls all those people
intimate in the JT

1251
01:27:06,422 --> 01:27:09,292
circle  and say
this is nonsense.

1252
01:27:09,325 --> 01:27:10,559
This is deletion.

1253
01:27:10,593 --> 01:27:12,828
This is only revenge.

1254
01:27:12,861 --> 01:27:15,798
JT will do anything
is needed to stay alive.

1255
01:27:15,831 --> 01:27:18,334
For him it's like Tinkerbell.

1256
01:27:18,367 --> 01:27:23,038
If you don't believe it,
magic can't happen.

1257
01:27:23,071 --> 01:27:25,608
**

1258
01:28:01,477 --> 01:28:03,846
Laura Albert: One day, I was sitting at my writing desk,

1259
01:28:03,879 --> 01:28:07,383
and suddenly, Geoff breaks in,
white like a ghost,

1260
01:28:07,416 --> 01:28:11,487
and he told me, I just got it
call from Warren St. John,

1261
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,655
from the New York Times,

1262
01:28:12,688 --> 01:28:14,757
and he said he knew everything.

1263
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:17,693
And they say
what do you say to him?

1264
01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:26,702
Geoff Knoop:
Friends and family

1265
01:28:26,735 --> 01:28:29,805
start receiving calls
from the New York Times.

1266
01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:56,799
Messages deleted

1267
01:28:56,832 --> 01:28:59,868
Laura Albert: San Francisco
is too hot.

1268
01:28:59,902 --> 01:29:03,739
So I returned
to Deadwood.

1269
01:29:03,772 --> 01:29:07,843
I panic,
because I see a cliff.

1270
01:29:07,876 --> 01:29:13,782
I see the land
breaking below me.

1271
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,375
[Phone rings]

1272
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,849
[player click video]

1273
01:30:46,809 --> 01:30:48,143
[Phone slammed]

1274
01:30:48,176 --> 01:30:50,746
Laura Albert: I'm standing
on the set with Billy

1275
01:30:50,779 --> 01:30:52,080
and my cellphone rings,

1276
01:30:52,114 --> 01:30:55,250
[Ringing]
and it's Warren St. John,

1277
01:30:55,283 --> 01:30:59,988
He told me, I will get you
for violating the Patriot Act,

1278
01:31:00,022 --> 01:31:04,192
and I definitely catch you
on email fraud.

1279
01:31:04,226 --> 01:31:07,830
JT LeRoy:
And as JT I begged him...

1280
01:31:11,099 --> 01:31:15,137
[Video clicks player]
Laura Albert: And I know that
the story will be destroyed.

1281
01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:20,576
There are big tornadoes
it will hit.

1282
01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:21,844
[player click video]

1283
01:32:28,977 --> 01:32:30,212
[player click video]

1284
01:32:32,314 --> 01:32:34,750
News Clips: Mobile phones are said to be part of the ruse  done by JT LeRoy,

1285
01:32:34,783 --> 01:32:36,752
a San Francisco-based cult novelist

1286
01:32:36,785 --> 01:32:38,721


1287
01:32:38,754 --> 01:32:41,657
who is not only accused of making
a sad and gloomy past

1288
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:42,958
he writes about,

1289
01:32:42,991 --> 01:32:45,327
but completely made up
the person himself.

1290
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,030
Just this week in the New York
Times published proof

1291
01:32:48,063 --> 01:32:49,798
that person
who writes as JT,

1292
01:32:49,832 --> 01:32:52,334
a 25 year old former prostitute
and drug addict,

1293
01:32:52,367 --> 01:32:54,670
is actually a 40-year-old mother
from Brooklyn.

1294
01:32:54,703 --> 01:32:57,773
And that's the person who made it
public appearance as JT,

1295
01:32:57,806 --> 01:33:02,010
is the sister-in-law's sister
in wigs and sunglasses.

1296
01:33:02,044 --> 01:33:03,712
Laura Albert:
What the article has

1297
01:33:03,746 --> 01:33:08,050
is part of a jigsaw puzzle
that has not been found before.

1298
01:33:08,083 --> 01:33:10,919
A photo from Savannah.

1299
01:33:10,953 --> 01:33:14,923
Without a wig, without a hat, there are no sunglasses.

1300
01:33:14,957 --> 01:33:20,195
That's all he,
and it's a smoking gun.

1301
01:33:20,228 --> 01:33:22,397
I think...

1302
01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:26,268
shame like that

1303
01:33:26,301 --> 01:33:33,108
because JT really asked
to go to her caring

1304
01:33:33,141 --> 01:33:37,379
and say that
of course he is real and now...

1305
01:33:40,683 --> 01:33:43,819
... they look stupid.

1306
01:33:43,852 --> 01:33:46,021
They look ridiculous.

1307
01:33:46,054 --> 01:33:48,290
They look like
they have been fussed.

1308
01:33:48,323 --> 01:33:54,830
The media tells them
that they are idiots.

1309
01:33:54,863 --> 01:33:58,667
How do I start?

1310
01:34:43,946 --> 01:34:45,247
[Beep]
The message was deleted.

1311
01:34:58,260 --> 01:34:59,762
[Beep]
[Bell rings]

1312
01:34:59,795 --> 01:35:01,429
Laura Albert:
I have a reporter who rang my bell.

1313
01:35:01,463 --> 01:35:02,765
[Ring continues]

1314
01:35:02,798 --> 01:35:03,899
Savannah comes,

1315
01:35:03,932 --> 01:35:05,333
and we gather at home

1316
01:35:05,367 --> 01:35:08,436
and we try to find out
how to bring it home.

1317
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:10,105
[Door closed]

1318
01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:23,451
To exit the message -

1319
01:35:23,485 --> 01:35:25,353
Laura Albert:
I went to David Milch,

1320
01:35:25,387 --> 01:35:30,225
and everything I can think of
do I need him to save me.

1321
01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:03,225
[player click video]

1322
01:36:03,258 --> 01:36:05,961
Laura Albert:
Because JT spends a lot of time

1323
01:36:05,994 --> 01:36:08,396
for years
became his friend,

1324
01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:12,134
[Calling]
I called Gus.

1325
01:36:39,594 --> 01:36:41,363
[player click video]

1326
01:36:41,396 --> 01:36:45,400
JT LeRoy: I heard them calling
me with every name Satan.

1327
01:36:45,433 --> 01:36:47,870
But I'm not moving.

1328
01:36:47,903 --> 01:36:49,604
I remain hidden, and peek out

1329
01:36:49,637 --> 01:36:53,508
to see the mass
bring their torches on.

1330
01:36:53,541 --> 01:36:56,011
Oh my God.

1331
01:36:56,044 --> 01:36:59,948
Oh my God!

1332
01:36:59,982 --> 01:37:01,549
[player click video]

1333
01:37:12,194 --> 01:37:13,428
[player click video]

1334
01:37:13,461 --> 01:37:15,230
Laura Albert:
At the time of the disclosure,

1335
01:37:15,263 --> 01:37:18,366
I was accused of using AIDS to sell books.

1336
01:37:48,496 --> 01:37:51,333
Laura Albert: When Courtney Love
finds out that I am JT

1337
01:37:51,366 --> 01:37:53,936
he said, "That's fantastic.

1338
01:37:53,969 --> 01:37:57,272
I'll take you to Oprah Winfrey
and you will cry.

1339
01:37:57,305 --> 01:38:00,875
America likes redemption. "

1340
01:38:21,063 --> 01:38:24,566
Laura Albert: I spoke to Billy and he said to me,

1341
01:38:24,599 --> 01:38:27,402
" You can't stand
in a tsunami. "

1342
01:38:39,681 --> 01:38:42,150
[Beep]

1343
01:38:56,198 --> 01:38:57,532
[Player click video]

1344
01:38:57,565 --> 01:39:00,302
Savannah and I are determined
do not damage rankings.

1345
01:39:00,335 --> 01:39:02,470
We do not go
to the media,

1346
01:39:02,504 --> 01:39:04,539
we cover your mouth.

1347
01:39:04,572 --> 01:39:07,509
Even with photos -self photos
out there,

1348
01:39:07,542 --> 01:39:11,279
they still can't
really prove it.

1349
01:39:11,313 --> 01:39:13,181
But Geoff,
[Camera shutter clicks]

1350
01:39:13,215 --> 01:39:14,616
Brother Savannah,

1351
01:39:14,649 --> 01:39:19,621
my partner is almost 18 years old,
he destroy rank.

1352
01:39:42,277 --> 01:39:46,181
[Video clicks player]
Laura Albert: Jeff goes
to the New York Times.

1353
01:39:46,214 --> 01:39:48,450
He raises the flag of surrender.

1354
01:39:48,483 --> 01:39:52,287
And he told them
that, yes, that's me.

1355
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,721
I write books.

1356
01:39:53,755 --> 01:39:58,360
And he put the last nail in the case of LeRoy.

1357
01:39:58,393 --> 01:40:00,362
[player click video]

1358
01:40:25,287 --> 01:40:26,588
[player click video]

1359
01:40:26,621 --> 01:40:29,157
All headlines
say trick,

1360
01:40:29,191 --> 01:40:31,693
literary hoax,

1361
01:40:31,726 --> 01:40:35,630
greatest literary lie
our time.

1362
01:40:35,663 --> 01:40:40,735
But things about that
what language does it say

1363
01:40:40,768 --> 01:40:43,071
are the books are not real.

1364
01:40:43,105 --> 01:40:46,274
That's all that works...

1365
01:40:50,345 --> 01:40:53,081
... is a joke.

1366
01:40:53,115 --> 01:40:56,118
Director: What makes people
actually believe

1367
01:40:56,151 --> 01:40:57,785
that you are the author?

1368
01:41:03,291 --> 01:41:06,528
Savannah Knoop: I think many people
believe I am the author

1369
01:41:06,561 --> 01:41:09,531
because
I said I was the author.

1370
01:41:09,564 --> 01:41:11,699
I mean, that's what comes down to,

1371
01:41:11,733 --> 01:41:16,404
Confidence is based on
on this kind of contract

1372
01:41:16,438 --> 01:41:20,542
around what you say you do

1373
01:41:20,575 --> 01:41:25,813
then you assume
that's what you do.

1374
01:41:25,847 --> 01:41:28,316
[player click video]

1375
01:41:41,263 --> 01:41:42,564
[player click video]

1376
01:41:42,597 --> 01:41:45,833
Laura Albert: Asia calls me

1377
01:41:45,867 --> 01:41:49,804
and this is the first time for him
talk to me.

1378
01:41:49,837 --> 01:41:52,340
[player click video]

1379
01:42:31,613 --> 01:42:32,614
[Video player clicks]

1380
01:42:32,647 --> 01:42:34,316
What is thrown there

1381
01:42:34,349 --> 01:42:36,784
is a multiple personality
chaos.

1382
01:42:36,818 --> 01:42:38,853
But that is not it.

1383
01:42:38,886 --> 01:42:40,555
I pulled the switch.

1384
01:42:40,588 --> 01:42:44,759
I am making a
decision to go to a different rail.

1385
01:42:44,792 --> 01:42:46,528
I don't know what the label is,

1386
01:42:46,561 --> 01:42:49,497
I don't know what the classification is,

1387
01:42:49,531 --> 01:42:52,400
but I can tell you
one thing I know -

1388
01:42:52,434 --> 01:42:56,604
it's not a hoax.

1389
01:42:56,638 --> 01:43:02,244
[Ringing]

1390
01:43:02,277 --> 01:43:03,478
[Receiver click]

1391
01:44:36,771 --> 01:44:39,006
If you buy a book,

1392
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:44,479
if you feel upset because I'm
15 years older than JT,

1393
01:44:44,512 --> 01:44:47,081
or I am a woman
and not a boy,

1394
01:44:47,114 --> 01:44:49,351
I'm fine with that.

1395
01:44:49,384 --> 01:44:54,956
The book says clearly,
in a jacket, fiction.

1396
01:44:54,989 --> 01:44:59,461
The rest is extra.

1397
01:44:59,494 --> 01:45:01,763
[Click, swish]

1398
01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:06,368
My father grew up in Bushwick
very poor,

1399
01:45:06,401 --> 01:45:10,104
and he has a very close friend
who will take care of the baby.

1400
01:45:10,137 --> 01:45:11,773
He is Uncle George to me,

1401
01:45:11,806 --> 01:45:15,076
I know him
since I was a baby.

1402
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:19,414
He is always there,
and he is a family.

1403
01:45:19,447 --> 01:45:20,715
**

1404
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,723
My parents
don't come out too often,

1405
01:45:28,756 --> 01:45:32,794
so for them to go out at night
is a big problem.

1406
01:45:32,827 --> 01:45:37,765
But when I was 3 years old, my mother
was arranged for theater tickets,

1407
01:45:37,799 --> 01:45:41,836
and they leave me with George.

1408
01:45:41,869 --> 01:45:44,806
And we play games.

1409
01:45:44,839 --> 01:45:48,376
This is very complicated,
psychological game

1410
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:53,815
being a good girl
versus being a bad girl.

1411
01:45:53,848 --> 01:46:00,021
And he starts touching me
and my body responds to that,

1412
01:46:00,054 --> 01:46:06,661
but that's the proof
that I'm a bad girl.

1413
01:46:09,864 --> 01:46:15,136
He has a solution,
and that is to hit me.

1414
01:46:15,169 --> 01:46:18,940
But he also touched me
at the same time.

1415
01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:22,410
That's where everything is just...

1416
01:46:22,444 --> 01:46:25,847
my wire is crossed.

1417
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:31,686
Because of that
pain and sexual desire

1418
01:46:31,719 --> 01:46:34,756
becomes intertwined.

1419
01:46:34,789 --> 01:46:37,825
And I am not guilty of this.

1420
01:46:37,859 --> 01:46:39,126
My body responds.

1421
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:43,097
This really makes me excited,
and it's terrible,

1422
01:46:43,130 --> 01:46:48,169
and something
is very, very broken in me.

1423
01:46:50,171 --> 01:46:52,807
I go to food for help

1424
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,710
because he definitely
prefers me to be thin.

1425
01:46:55,743 --> 01:46:57,845
**

1426
01:46:57,879 --> 01:47:01,148
In some cases,
George just disappeared.

1427
01:47:01,182 --> 01:47:04,085
But damage has already occurred.

1428
01:47:04,118 --> 01:47:07,121
A child
the smooth upper part rotates,

1429
01:47:07,154 --> 01:47:13,227
and that's not a lot of
to send the top of the lane.

1430
01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:14,696
**

1431
01:47:14,729 --> 01:47:17,098
[Click]

1432
01:47:17,131 --> 01:47:20,167
**

1433
01:47:40,154 --> 01:47:43,190
**

1434
01:48:01,643 --> 01:48:06,548
* It must be fun to disappear

1435
01:48:06,581 --> 01:48:11,619
* Have actions disappear

1436
01:48:11,653 --> 01:48:16,958
* To always look forward

1437
01:48:19,026 --> 01:48:23,865
* And never look back

1438
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:32,840
* It's nice to disappear

1439
01:48:32,874 --> 01:48:38,713
* Floats into fog

1440
01:48:38,746 --> 01:48:45,953
* With a young woman
on your arm *

1441
01:48:45,987 --> 01:48:50,658
* Looking for a kiss

1442
01:48:50,692 --> 01:48:53,895
**

1443
01:49:15,149 --> 01:49:20,755
* It must be fun to disappear

1444
01:49:20,788 --> 01:49:25,793
* Have actions disappear

1445
01:49:25,827 --> 01:49:31,065
* To always move forward

1446
01:49:31,098 --> 01:49:36,037
* And never look back

1447
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:41,876
* It's nice to disappear

1448
01:49:41,909 --> 01:49:47,148
* Floats into fog

1449
01:49:47,181 --> 01:49:52,654
* With a young woman
on your arm *

1450
01:49:52,687 --> 01:49:57,825
* Search for a kiss

1451
01:50:02,697 --> 01:50:06,901
* Search for a kiss

1452
01:50:11,839 --> 01:50:14,942
* Floats into fog

1453
01:50:14,976 --> 01:50:19,213
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