1 00:00:19,811 --> 00:00:23,481 [radio announcer] Thelonious, 1963. 2 00:00:23,606 --> 00:00:26,943 Don't Blame Me, the Criss-Cross album. 3 00:00:27,652 --> 00:00:31,156 You're listening to Blue Notes, Blue Nights, 4 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:32,907 here in New York City. 5 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:35,660 Going to be a stormy one tonight, folks. 6 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:37,579 Nor-easter coming in. 7 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:41,124 They're saying high winds and a heavy snowfall. 8 00:00:41,249 --> 00:00:42,834 So take care of yourselves. 9 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:48,715 Now, a fresh outtake from a forthcoming blue note album by Lee Morgan. 10 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:52,177 He's really flying high on this one. 11 00:00:52,927 --> 00:00:56,097 [jazz music playing] 12 00:02:11,422 --> 00:02:13,383 -[man] Is that Helen? -Yeah. 13 00:02:13,466 --> 00:02:14,342 Yeah. 14 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:17,971 That's Lee. 15 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:22,142 Boy, they were young then. 16 00:02:31,651 --> 00:02:33,153 I just couldn't believe it. 17 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:36,197 Didn't know what to think. 18 00:02:36,447 --> 00:02:37,824 Because they were both together. 19 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:41,494 They were always the people we related to. 20 00:02:41,578 --> 00:02:42,495 Both of them. 21 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:51,045 [man] The fact that he had totaled the car that night, 22 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:52,881 came to work, 23 00:02:52,964 --> 00:02:56,676 and still wasn't able to 24 00:02:57,343 --> 00:03:01,556 come through the night, was not able to get through the night alive, you know? 25 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:05,852 I was never able to go down that street again. 26 00:03:08,062 --> 00:03:09,689 Didn't get back to New York. 27 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:14,319 I was destroyed, man. 28 00:03:15,403 --> 00:03:19,908 And then, you know, I was curious about what happened to Helen. 29 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,915 And then I heard that the police had arrested her and taken her to jail. 30 00:03:28,625 --> 00:03:31,836 And you know, I never saw her again. 31 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,340 [jazz music playing] 32 00:04:27,850 --> 00:04:31,104 [Larry Thomas] This is where I first met Mrs. Helen Morgan. 33 00:04:32,021 --> 00:04:33,398 At this building. 34 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:35,650 Wilson High School. 35 00:04:36,859 --> 00:04:39,904 Our classroom was situated on the first floor here, 36 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:42,573 closest to the door. 37 00:04:43,491 --> 00:04:47,036 Because whenever we had a break, Mrs. Morgan did smoke. 38 00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:54,627 My class was a Western civilization class. 39 00:04:54,752 --> 00:04:57,005 But I don't begin with the Greeks and the Romans. 40 00:04:57,088 --> 00:04:59,048 I began with the ancient African civilizations. 41 00:04:59,173 --> 00:05:02,051 So I wasn't a "traditional teacher." 42 00:05:02,176 --> 00:05:05,054 As a matter of fact, they didn't call me Mr. Thomas. 43 00:05:05,179 --> 00:05:06,472 They called me Larry. 44 00:05:06,597 --> 00:05:08,349 Almost all the students called me Larry. 45 00:05:08,891 --> 00:05:11,102 And they were--most of them were her age maybe, 46 00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:12,562 or they were some of them-- 47 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:15,148 I would say the youngest ones were in their 40s. 48 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,609 Mrs. Morgan struck me as a person 49 00:05:18,735 --> 00:05:23,656 who wasn't that academically sound, but she was streetwise. 50 00:05:23,781 --> 00:05:26,367 Just the aura or vibe about her was streetwise. 51 00:05:27,452 --> 00:05:29,704 So as a way of introducing myself to the class, 52 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:33,958 I would always hand out this bio of me, 53 00:05:34,083 --> 00:05:37,128 with my picture and everything, stating that, you know, 54 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:39,213 I was a jazz radio announcer, 55 00:05:39,505 --> 00:05:42,091 a little bit of background information on who I was. 56 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:47,722 When I gave it to her, she said, "Oh, I love jazz." 57 00:05:48,806 --> 00:05:49,891 So I said, "Really?" 58 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:54,103 She said, "Oh, yeah, by the way, my husband was a jazz musician." 59 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:56,481 And her last name was Morgan. 60 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:58,149 And I said, "Your husband? 61 00:05:58,274 --> 00:05:59,442 What was his name?" 62 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:01,861 And she said his name was Lee. 63 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:05,281 So I said, "Lee Morgan, the trumpet player?" 64 00:06:05,823 --> 00:06:08,576 And she said,"Yeah." And she kind of looked at me kind of funny. 65 00:06:08,659 --> 00:06:11,704 Like, you know, "You know the story too," you know. 66 00:06:11,788 --> 00:06:14,373 So I said, "Well, I want to interview you one day." 67 00:06:15,124 --> 00:06:17,043 So she said, "I don't have to think about it." 68 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:22,507 So eventually in '96, I guess about eight years later, 69 00:06:23,132 --> 00:06:25,843 she decided that-- she called me, and said, 70 00:06:25,968 --> 00:06:27,178 "Larry, you still want the interview?" 71 00:06:27,303 --> 00:06:28,679 And I said, "Yeah, of course." 72 00:06:29,388 --> 00:06:33,434 So I borrowed a tape recorder, just a regular Sony. 73 00:06:33,851 --> 00:06:36,145 And I got two cassettes, I just grabbed two cassettes. 74 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:37,355 I said, "I got to get this interview." 75 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,564 You know? 76 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:41,943 And that was in February, 1996. 77 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:44,028 In March, 1996, she died. 78 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:05,174 [indistinct tape playing over loud high pitched noise] 79 00:07:12,974 --> 00:07:15,685 [ambient background music playing] 80 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:35,663 [Helen] The country, I never liked at all. 81 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:40,460 My mother's biggest aim was 82 00:07:41,043 --> 00:07:43,087 when I was growing up in the country, 83 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:44,964 and I had to work on the farm, 84 00:07:45,047 --> 00:07:46,674 and I had to do all of this, 85 00:07:47,091 --> 00:07:52,847 that when I got big enough, I was leaving this place. 86 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:01,272 And I was-- 87 00:08:01,397 --> 00:08:02,773 I was young. 88 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:06,736 And then, see, I had kids early. 89 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:10,072 And I had my first child at 13. 90 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:14,035 Then I had another baby right behind that. 91 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:16,621 About 14, right behind. 92 00:08:16,787 --> 00:08:22,335 So that disillusioned me from whole lot of things. 93 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:27,465 Because I've never once said I wanted any children. 94 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:30,593 I never did that. 95 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:32,136 But I had them. 96 00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:35,348 I didn't raise them. 97 00:08:35,431 --> 00:08:38,559 My grandparents raised my children. 98 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:41,562 Because I left. 99 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:42,980 I left. 100 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:49,362 I came to Wilmington. 101 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:53,658 And then I got married here. 102 00:08:54,909 --> 00:08:58,871 And I only knew him for a week. 103 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:02,792 And this was that-- the fast life here. 104 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:05,920 I was 17, he was 39. 105 00:09:08,339 --> 00:09:10,758 And he got drowned. 106 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:17,640 So his family lived in New York. 107 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:23,354 And I left Wilmington, stayed two weeks in New York. 108 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,566 And I never came back. 109 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:32,321 [jazz music playing, applause] 110 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,911 [announcer] Lee Morgan, ladies and gentlemen. 111 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:40,371 [audience cheering] 112 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,046 [Wayne] The first time I met Lee Morgan, I was in the army. 113 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:35,551 And in the army, we talked about anything new. 114 00:10:36,844 --> 00:10:40,973 They were talking about Clifford Brown, the actor. 115 00:10:41,057 --> 00:10:43,267 They were talking about James Dean, the actor. 116 00:10:43,392 --> 00:10:46,312 And they said, "Dizzy Gillespie found a trumpet player, 117 00:10:46,395 --> 00:10:47,605 16 years old. 118 00:10:47,688 --> 00:10:50,232 His name is Lee Morgan from Philadelphia." 119 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:51,984 That's when I heard his name. 120 00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:56,781 And one weekend, I went to New Jersey, home. 121 00:10:57,239 --> 00:11:00,660 And they said, "Dizzy Gillespie is playing at Sugar Hill, the club. 122 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:03,454 And Lee Morgan is there in that band." 123 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:06,832 [jazz music playing] 124 00:11:08,417 --> 00:11:12,713 So I went to the Sugar Hill, and I saw the band. 125 00:11:13,297 --> 00:11:16,425 And Dizzy Gillespie was soloing, 126 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:17,635 then he would stop. 127 00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:20,679 Then the next thing I saw, this young-- 128 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:23,724 the Lee Morgan stand up, he started playing. 129 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:26,018 [solo trumpet playing] 130 00:11:30,272 --> 00:11:35,736 It was fun to watch him almost challenge Dizzy in the band, musically. 131 00:11:39,365 --> 00:11:41,158 He was extremely confident. 132 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:44,703 Almost to the point of being cocky. 133 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:49,417 And here was this bubbly young artist 134 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:53,212 who knew he was talented. 135 00:11:54,004 --> 00:11:55,464 No question about it. 136 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:57,383 He knew that he was talented. 137 00:11:59,552 --> 00:12:02,346 [Wayne] The band, they had the band uniforms. 138 00:12:02,471 --> 00:12:05,558 But Lee Morgan and Dizzy Gillespie 139 00:12:06,058 --> 00:12:10,146 and the drummer, which was Charlie Persip, dressed different. 140 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:12,731 They were like the stars of the band. 141 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,610 [Charli] I mean, everybody was kind of like in shock. 142 00:12:16,694 --> 00:12:18,404 I mean, here's this kid, man, 143 00:12:18,612 --> 00:12:24,493 that's playing like a seasoned veteran, and with great ideas. 144 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:27,580 I mean, it was never no doubt in anybody's mind 145 00:12:27,663 --> 00:12:29,290 'cause he was going to be a star. 146 00:12:38,048 --> 00:12:42,344 [Paul] It was common among musicians 147 00:12:43,762 --> 00:12:46,348 to be one of the best dressers. 148 00:12:47,057 --> 00:12:50,019 [Charli] We talked about fashion all the time. 149 00:12:50,394 --> 00:12:53,856 What they called Ivy League, that was like the style then. 150 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,901 And Lee was really into that, and so was I. 151 00:12:57,943 --> 00:13:03,532 [Paul] You know, have the best car, prettiest lady, lots of money, 152 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:05,784 best shoes. 153 00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:08,787 And all that was important to us. 154 00:13:12,416 --> 00:13:14,168 [Charli] Yeah, I bought this Austin-Healey. 155 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:17,213 And Lee bought a Triumph. 156 00:13:17,338 --> 00:13:19,590 And I used to tease him about it, I said, 157 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:23,761 "Man, your car is not as powerful, it's not as fast as my car." 158 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:26,222 He said, "Oh, man, we have to see about that." 159 00:13:26,597 --> 00:13:29,642 [jazz music playing] 160 00:13:39,693 --> 00:13:42,696 [Albert] And, man, we would run around in this city. 161 00:13:43,197 --> 00:13:45,824 And we would go in Central Park at night. 162 00:13:46,033 --> 00:13:49,245 Because in those days, you could drive around in Central Park at night. 163 00:13:50,871 --> 00:13:53,165 Just get out the way, let me go around this turn 164 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:54,833 as fast as I can. 165 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:56,627 Could never turn the car over. 166 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:58,504 [jazz music playing] 167 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:26,323 The great big festival with Ahmad Jamal was there. 168 00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:29,910 Sarah Vaughan, Count Basie, the Jazz Messengers. 169 00:14:30,494 --> 00:14:32,997 Lee Morgan came running across the racetrack 170 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,874 during an intermission. 171 00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:39,253 And he said to me, you want to play with the Messengers? 172 00:14:39,336 --> 00:14:41,171 Do you want to play with the Messengers? 173 00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:42,631 And I said, "Yeah." 174 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:44,049 And he said, "Come with me." 175 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:47,052 And I jumped down on the racetrack with him 176 00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:50,848 and went to the dressing room where Art Blakey was. 177 00:14:52,099 --> 00:14:55,686 And Art said to me, "Do you want to play in my band?" 178 00:14:55,769 --> 00:14:56,729 He had that voice. 179 00:14:56,812 --> 00:14:58,856 [imitating] "You want to play in my band, with the Messengers?" 180 00:14:58,939 --> 00:14:59,899 I said, "Yeah." 181 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:02,860 [jazz music playing] 182 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:11,452 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, we are now beginning the third set 183 00:15:11,535 --> 00:15:14,788 with the terrific Art Blakey and his Jazz Messengers 184 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,624 from the jazz corner of the world. 185 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:21,086 Lee Morgan on trumpet, Wayne Shorter on the tenor saxophone, 186 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:25,215 Bobby Timmons on the piano, Jymie Merritt on the bass. 187 00:15:26,216 --> 00:15:28,719 Soul brothers on this scene now. 188 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:32,222 Really do a cool one for you. 189 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:36,101 [jazz music playing] 190 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:16,266 [Wayne] I was always known as a lone wolf. 191 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:20,479 But with Lee, Lee was the friend. 192 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:29,238 And he and I would like to have a debate 193 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:32,700 about different things, politics. 194 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:35,285 He wanted to know everything. 195 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,669 I went to Europe for the first time with them. 196 00:16:44,336 --> 00:16:46,630 And sometimes when we were playing, 197 00:16:46,714 --> 00:16:48,507 and Lee would be playing a solo, 198 00:16:48,882 --> 00:16:52,761 and Art would be yelling to Lee, "Talk to the people, talk to the people. 199 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,888 Tell them your story, tell them your story." 200 00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:58,600 He knew how to tell a story musically, you know? 201 00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:02,146 [jazz music playing] 202 00:17:25,836 --> 00:17:28,630 [LOUD HIGH PITCHED BACKGROUND NOISE] 203 00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:33,969 [Helen] Well, I lived for most of my part now, 53rd Street. 204 00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:41,852 Not far from Birdland between 8th and 9th. 205 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:47,357 Ride around, they all ride around in the circle there. 206 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:56,533 I could always fit in because I was a talker. 207 00:18:00,496 --> 00:18:02,206 And I got a job. 208 00:18:02,831 --> 00:18:05,959 And then I begin to meet other people. 209 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:11,215 I started going uptown to clubs. 210 00:18:12,716 --> 00:18:17,554 That's when you would really hear music, the jam sessions, you know? 211 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:24,061 And I would be invited to the after-hour joints. 212 00:18:27,397 --> 00:18:29,942 Helen was a hero in my neighborhood 213 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:31,860 because she came up from the south. 214 00:18:31,985 --> 00:18:34,071 And she was a woman that had to struggle 215 00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:35,989 because she didn't want to work for anyone. 216 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:38,033 So she wanted to be her own person. 217 00:18:39,993 --> 00:18:42,621 When she walked down the block in the neighborhood, 218 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,915 the men and the women paid attention. 219 00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:47,668 Especially the men, because she wore provocative clothes. 220 00:18:47,751 --> 00:18:50,796 She wore are a lot of those A-line type dresses and suits. 221 00:18:50,921 --> 00:18:53,882 Everything fitted her because she was built very nice. 222 00:18:54,007 --> 00:18:57,219 And on Friday, she would change her outfits 223 00:18:57,344 --> 00:19:00,347 and come downstairs when all the guys got off from work. 224 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,516 And they'd be shooting crap, you know. 225 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,769 And she'd go across the street, and she would shoot with them. 226 00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:10,816 She didn't talk a lot about her background or home or anything like that. 227 00:19:10,899 --> 00:19:13,068 She only sort of fit into conversations 228 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,654 when she felt it was necessary to correct something. 229 00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:17,406 That something was said that was not correct, 230 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:19,032 that she felt uncomfortable with. 231 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:21,118 That's the only time she would really say anything. 232 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,706 [Helen] I will not sit here 233 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:31,670 and tell you that I was so nice, because I was not. 234 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:35,591 A woman that would cut you. 235 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:37,050 I was sharp. 236 00:19:38,051 --> 00:19:38,886 Yeah. 237 00:19:38,969 --> 00:19:40,804 I had to be. 238 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:42,055 Had to be. 239 00:19:42,139 --> 00:19:43,432 I was sharp. 240 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:47,769 And I looked out for me. 241 00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:53,901 [jazz music playing] 242 00:19:57,487 --> 00:19:58,989 [man] That's him. 243 00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:01,950 Oh, he could be a showman. 244 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:04,995 He had his little style, you know. Be stylin'. 245 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,416 He had a nice laugh too. 246 00:20:20,844 --> 00:20:22,763 [Lee] I'm not gonna stand too close when we play the ensemble. 247 00:20:22,846 --> 00:20:24,598 I might, you know, take my solo. 248 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,934 Yeah, well, I'll step back. 249 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,268 I can't be very loud. 250 00:20:28,977 --> 00:20:31,063 [indistinct chatter] 251 00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:38,195 [jazz music playing] 252 00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:46,370 Every time we went to record, Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff, 253 00:20:46,453 --> 00:20:49,957 the owners of Blue Note, would bring boxes and boxes 254 00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:51,625 of food and everything. 255 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,126 It was like a party. 256 00:20:53,961 --> 00:20:56,588 And there was always a record 257 00:20:56,672 --> 00:21:01,343 that came out of those six, seven-hour recording sessions. 258 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:05,681 With that group, we had a lot to do with developing 259 00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,808 what was called the "Blue Note sound." 260 00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:11,687 [Jymie] Here was these two guys 261 00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:16,400 who seemed to be as involved as the players themselves, you know. 262 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,363 The guys used to call them "the animal brothers." [laughs] 263 00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:23,407 You know, the lion and the wolf. 264 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,411 And I'll never forget Frank Wolff, 265 00:21:28,036 --> 00:21:29,955 the whole time, he would be taking pictures. 266 00:21:30,038 --> 00:21:31,790 He took some remarkable pictures. 267 00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:35,252 [jazz music playing] 268 00:21:56,690 --> 00:22:02,612 [Wayne] He wrote music that came from his youth. 269 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:06,908 In Search for the New Land, 270 00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:11,538 he was actually digging back into his roots in history. 271 00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:17,377 And what could be achieved with freedom. 272 00:22:17,961 --> 00:22:19,838 I wish the world was like this. 273 00:22:19,921 --> 00:22:25,802 I wish--when we did record, 274 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:31,099 there was always the thought that this is going to be forever. 275 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,935 What we choose is going to be forever. 276 00:22:48,366 --> 00:22:51,078 [Helen] My apartment was that open house. 277 00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:57,501 Was always beans cooking, always cooked, from to dinner. 278 00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:01,922 You eat, "go by Helen's house." 279 00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:06,802 My house at 53rd Street was the place. 280 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,771 [Al] The first time I met my mother, I was 21. 281 00:23:18,188 --> 00:23:21,066 I went to her house, to her apartment. 282 00:23:21,983 --> 00:23:25,195 And strange enough, when I knocked on the door, 283 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:26,738 she said "Come in." 284 00:23:26,988 --> 00:23:30,033 And the door was open, not locked, and I went in. 285 00:23:30,117 --> 00:23:33,286 And there was three women at the table. 286 00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:37,749 And I immediately recognized Helen, 287 00:23:37,874 --> 00:23:39,876 first time ever seeing her, because... 288 00:23:40,418 --> 00:23:43,255 I guess you could say the family resemblance to her. 289 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,300 And we greeted each other. 290 00:23:47,425 --> 00:23:53,265 And here she is, 35 or something like that. 291 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:55,350 And, wow, you know. 292 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:59,271 "That means that you was 13 when I was born." 293 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:03,692 It didn't take long for me to latch on to her, 294 00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:08,572 because she was quite interesting. 295 00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:12,784 She worked at an answering service. 296 00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:16,788 And they was pulling and pushing cords in order to make connections. 297 00:24:17,455 --> 00:24:22,460 It was a means of making it in New York. 298 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,630 And being a woman, being a black woman, 299 00:24:25,755 --> 00:24:28,758 there wasn't a whole lot of jobs for you. 300 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,639 [Ron] Everyone knew Helen because she could cook. 301 00:24:34,764 --> 00:24:35,932 And I used to go by 302 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,059 and a lot of the musicians would be there. 303 00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,562 She would always say, "Listen, if you're ever in my neighborhood, stop by. 304 00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:41,563 I like to cook." 305 00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:43,523 And they would say, "Okay, I'm in her neighborhood. 306 00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:45,150 Let's see what she cooked today." 307 00:24:45,275 --> 00:24:47,235 Helen would say, "Are you hungry?" 308 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,988 And you said, "Nah, just, you know, maybe a little snack or something." 309 00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:51,489 She say, "I'm gonna fix you somethin'." 310 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:55,118 She'd be out in the kitchen, doing a roast pork or a turkey. 311 00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,788 And you're like, "Whoa, this is going to be great!" 312 00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:00,207 And when she put the food on the table, 313 00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:02,542 she might have a pie or a cake or something. 314 00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,169 This is within an hour or two. 315 00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,504 Two this woman was fantastic when it came to the kitchen. 316 00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:09,007 [jazz music playing] 317 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,468 She always had some good music playin', I remember that. 318 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:13,678 Always good jazz music playing. 319 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,350 I remember once, a party. 320 00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:20,477 I mean, it was a small place, 321 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,981 but people from all walks of life. 322 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:31,863 Most of her friends was gay or lesbian or-- 323 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,740 "People are people," she'd say. 324 00:25:43,541 --> 00:25:44,834 [Ron] I remember this. 325 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,464 Helen was washing up some dishes from a great meal 326 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:50,966 that we all had had. 327 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:52,550 And I had my camera with me. 328 00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,302 And I said, "Can I take your picture?" 329 00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:55,845 She said, "No, I don't like pictures." 330 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:57,764 She wouldn't let people take pictures of her. 331 00:25:58,473 --> 00:26:00,809 But I wanted to get a picture of her. 332 00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:02,143 So I said something slick. 333 00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:04,104 I don't remember exactly what I said to her. 334 00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:05,438 But when I said it, she turned around. 335 00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:07,107 And when she turned around, I said "Pop!" 336 00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:08,316 And I caught it. 337 00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:19,452 As advertised, we're going to be introducing, in just a moment, 338 00:26:19,536 --> 00:26:22,998 one of the top jazz groups in the world, 339 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:24,666 on the Blue Note label. 340 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:27,836 These fellows have been playing together since 1955. 341 00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:30,964 And now, as I say, one of the top jazz groups in the whole world-- 342 00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:32,674 they play all around the world too. 343 00:26:33,341 --> 00:26:34,426 Here we go. 344 00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:36,678 [applause] 345 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:40,265 [jazz music playing] 346 00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,296 [Larry Ridley] Oh, he's buggin' here. 347 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:12,255 Stickin' his tongue out. 348 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:15,258 "Yes!" [laughs] 349 00:27:15,383 --> 00:27:18,303 Oh, yeah, he's really muggin' there with the young lady. 350 00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:23,975 Oh, yeah, they doin' their little Philly two-step. 351 00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:28,855 That's what it was all about, stayin' neat, get a haircut, 352 00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:30,065 show up on the scene. 353 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,107 That was the whole thing. 354 00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:32,984 We want to impress a young lady, you know. 355 00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:36,029 Come in like, "What it is?" 356 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,992 I think of the good times that we had back then. 357 00:27:42,035 --> 00:27:44,120 You know, there was a lot of good times. 358 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,956 [jazz music playing] 359 00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,729 [Wayne] In between, we have a break, we play and we have a break, 360 00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:13,525 and I'd go right to the bar and get a cognac, a double cognac, 361 00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:14,692 sometimes a triple. 362 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:17,153 And then we would eat. 363 00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:18,738 We all had a plan. 364 00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:21,991 We eat so we could stay sober enough. 365 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:23,827 You know, but I was-- 366 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,498 I thought I was out of the Army, I'm still 26 years old, 27. 367 00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:31,334 And alcohol, you sweat it out. 368 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:36,673 And you're never going to be staggering or swaying on the bandstand. 369 00:28:36,798 --> 00:28:37,632 You don't stagger. 370 00:28:37,757 --> 00:28:39,259 It's not cool to stagger. 371 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:41,261 You're supposed to be strong. 372 00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:45,473 I would drink and have like a thin veil around me, 373 00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:47,058 that's my space. 374 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:49,728 My little dream space and everything. 375 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:52,147 And we would play. 376 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,233 [jazz music playing] 377 00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,945 I'm looking at the back of his head. 378 00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:48,787 There's a bandage. 379 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:55,335 It's almost like in my face, "What's gonna happen to him?" 380 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:05,762 It's like, "What you doin', man? 381 00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:07,597 Lee, hey, Lee, what you doin'?" 382 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:16,606 [jazz music playing] 383 00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:47,136 I was with him in Chicago. 384 00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:49,013 I was with Donnie Washington 385 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,850 and he was with Art Blakey. 386 00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:55,895 And that's when I first realized 387 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:59,190 that he had succumbed to the drug culture. 388 00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:03,528 And it was most unfortunate 389 00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:05,738 because he was such a rare talent. 390 00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:08,783 And I was very disappointed, 391 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:12,829 but then I'd ask him if there's anything I could do to help him. 392 00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:15,748 And there was nothing I could do at that time. 393 00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:21,671 And so next thing I know, I had been talked about firing him. 394 00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:25,550 And so next time I know, he and Bobby Timmons were both-- 395 00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:27,510 had left the group. 396 00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:36,686 [Wayne] There was some concern... 397 00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:41,065 what was coming next in his life 398 00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,986 that we had no control over. 399 00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:50,575 "Lee, why don't you do this, Lee, why don't you do--" you know. 400 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:51,951 We knew that, you know. 401 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:55,163 Because when he left, we wasn't going to see him. 402 00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:56,414 You know, like... 403 00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:00,251 I mean, we couldn't go home with him. 404 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:08,343 Not all musicians were experimenting with drugs and everything. 405 00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:09,594 I never did. 406 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:14,557 We played at Birdland one time. It's a Monday night, 407 00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:17,101 and Lee came with no shoes. 408 00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,480 Because he had on some bedroom slippers. 409 00:32:20,563 --> 00:32:25,652 And he was trying to make us all be okay with it, you know. 410 00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:28,112 Like he was like, you know,"What's wrong with you guys, man? 411 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:29,656 Oh, yeah. I got my slippers on." 412 00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:33,034 But he had sold his shoes to get some drugs. 413 00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:35,244 Heroin, if you know about it, 414 00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:39,666 it leaves you really sick and in a lot of pain if you don't have it. 415 00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:44,963 And he said he'd rather do that than play the trumpet at the time. 416 00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:46,589 Because he could play the trumpet well, no problem. 417 00:32:46,714 --> 00:32:49,425 It's the drugs that he couldn't control. 418 00:32:58,851 --> 00:33:01,020 [Lena] I asked him about-- once he was lying down, 419 00:33:01,145 --> 00:33:03,815 I saw that he had the burn on the side of his head. 420 00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:06,734 I asked him about that. He told me readily about that. 421 00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,069 He'd gotten high 422 00:33:08,152 --> 00:33:12,573 and kind of OD'ed and fell, 423 00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:15,535 and his head hit the radiator. 424 00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:21,749 And he was out, and smelled burning flesh. 425 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:27,171 And the radiator had burned a big hole. 426 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,217 And then if you notice, in his pictures after 1965, 427 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,177 he combed his hair forward. 428 00:33:33,302 --> 00:33:35,638 And it was only when his head was in a certain position, 429 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,516 the hair would fall away and you could see 430 00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:42,145 the scar, the burn on his head. 431 00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:44,939 [jazz music playing] 432 00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:59,203 Lee's sound was in my head since I was like maybe 18. 433 00:34:00,455 --> 00:34:03,041 I just really loved his playing. 434 00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:07,086 When I came to New York, it was a different time. 435 00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:10,840 And I didn't see Lee Morgan. 436 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:13,634 He wasn't around. 437 00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:21,392 Until one day, oddly enough, 438 00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:23,811 I was on the subway, 439 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:29,609 and we had come to maybe 125th street. 440 00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:31,402 And the subway stopped 441 00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:34,781 and I happened to look out the window. 442 00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:37,575 And I saw this guy. 443 00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:42,080 He had on a long overcoat because it was the winter time 444 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:49,587 and he had his head wrapped in like... it was like a scarf or something. 445 00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,758 And just as the train was moving out of the station, 446 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,843 I saw his face. 447 00:34:56,677 --> 00:34:58,012 It was Lee Morgan. 448 00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,768 But he looked like a homeless person. 449 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,153 It was a very, very sad time. 450 00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,533 You know, nobody would hire him. 451 00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:22,328 He really went down as far as you can go. 452 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:29,710 And then somehow, he met Helen. 453 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:37,385 [high pitched noise] 454 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,930 [Larry Thomas] Well, I noticed you call him Morgan. 455 00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:42,056 [Helen] Yeah. 456 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,641 [Larry Thomas] Why do you call him Morgan? 457 00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:46,269 -[Helen] It's his last name. -[Larry Thomas] Uh-huh. 458 00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:50,523 [Helen] And I called him Morgan. 459 00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:04,954 Morgan was one of the people that came to my house. 460 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,543 And for some kind of reason, I don't know, 461 00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:14,046 just sittin' there, like, my heart went out to him. 462 00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:18,676 I saw this little boy, you know. 463 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,390 I remember it was cold. 464 00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:26,225 And he had on his jacket. 465 00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:28,394 I said, "You ain't got no coat?" 466 00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:34,025 And I said, "What are you doing out in that jacket?" 467 00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:37,278 And I said "Child, this is zero degrees out there." 468 00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:41,157 I said, "Well, child, you need your coat." 469 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,326 I said, "Where is your coat?" 470 00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,036 He said, "I pawned it." 471 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,791 I said, "Well, c'mon, I'm gonna go get you a coat. 472 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:52,960 Because it's too cold." 473 00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:57,757 And he just hung on to me. 474 00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:04,347 He had had his teeth knocked out. 475 00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:08,100 And he had the brace on, that saved the teeth, 476 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,313 and that had been years, and he hadn't even gotten the brace off. 477 00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:19,153 But I said, "You know, are you not playin' or nothing?" 478 00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:23,324 I said, "You need to start back to work." 479 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:27,286 Because see, they couldn't depend on him. 480 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,707 They said, "Lee Morgan is gonna play at so and so place. 481 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,292 He might not be there." 482 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:34,418 He said, "I know." 483 00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:36,254 I said,"Well, you can't do that. 484 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,680 [Bennie] I thought Helen was super. 485 00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:50,101 She was like his confidante. 486 00:37:51,143 --> 00:37:54,272 She was his friend, his lover. 487 00:37:55,189 --> 00:37:56,524 She was older. 488 00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,404 And she definitely 489 00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:04,782 was unafraid 490 00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:08,411 to be with a person who was unstable. 491 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,163 I don't know much about her background, 492 00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:16,252 but whatever it was, it gave her a strength. 493 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:19,213 She had a real quiet strength about her. 494 00:38:20,464 --> 00:38:22,675 And he really trusted her. 495 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:30,766 [Helen] We got an apartment. 496 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,685 We moved from downtown. 497 00:38:35,563 --> 00:38:41,068 Morgan went to the hospital in the Bronx. 498 00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,653 That hospital, 499 00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:44,780 they were giving him methadone, 500 00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:48,492 a place you had to go in there and stay in there. 501 00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:50,619 He turned himself in. He went in. 502 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,251 [Al] Grand Concourse. 503 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,630 About two blocks from Yankee Stadium and the Bronx. 504 00:39:02,214 --> 00:39:04,508 Uh, but it was... 505 00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:11,098 I mean, it was quite a move up, so to speak, 506 00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:12,683 from what it was. 507 00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:19,357 [Helen] And when he came out, that's when I was working, 508 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,400 you know, talking to people. 509 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:23,194 Mm-hmm. 510 00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:26,072 And when he came out, they started rehearsing. 511 00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:29,784 Because the people-- everybody wanted to-- would play with him now. 512 00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,827 [jazz music playing] 513 00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:41,712 Wasn't no thing about getting you to work. 514 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:51,430 [Jymie] I was coming from rehearsal with Joe Henderson 515 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,099 at Chick Corea's house. 516 00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:56,352 I remember that because of that bakery of his. 517 00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:58,187 His family had a bakery up there. 518 00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:02,024 And as I came out of the bakery, I was standing on the corner, 519 00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:04,443 I looked down and it was Lee Morgan. 520 00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:05,945 And he was standing. 521 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,239 So we got into conversation. 522 00:40:08,322 --> 00:40:10,866 And I hadn't seen him in quite a while. 523 00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:14,829 And considering what he had gone through, 524 00:40:15,663 --> 00:40:20,292 I was amazed that he was able to hold together at all, you know. 525 00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:23,379 He informed me he was starting a new group. 526 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,757 And would I like to be in it? 527 00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:31,011 Sure, we got together at a place called Slugs'. 528 00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:34,515 [Jerry] He had never come to a job without her. 529 00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,601 We did the contract with her, you know? 530 00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:40,312 It was like she was managing him. 531 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:44,316 I did always work out, you know, "When is he coming in? 532 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,193 Well, he can come in so and so time. 533 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,655 Okay, let's make it this time." This was always with her. 534 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,408 She carried his trumpet case, you know? 535 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,452 She did everything for him. 536 00:40:55,369 --> 00:40:57,455 He played a lot, you know? 537 00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:06,338 [Helen] He started dressing, because he liked to wear his white shirt. 538 00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:11,510 Shirt, tie, leather jacket, shoe shine. 539 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:13,971 Yeah, he liked to be clean now. 540 00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:16,432 He liked to be clean. 541 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:20,144 And then when his shirts aren't ironed, he'd want me to iron his shirt. 542 00:41:21,228 --> 00:41:22,605 I'd do all that. 543 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:26,025 [jazz music playing] 544 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:35,910 He wrote this tune for me called "Helen's Ritual." 545 00:41:37,786 --> 00:41:40,664 Puttin' lotion and things on. 546 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:46,962 [laughs] Gettin' ready to go somewhere, took me a half hour. 547 00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:51,509 'Cause I've got to go through that ritual, that lotion. 548 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:54,762 Every day when we were going out, 549 00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:58,766 wherever we were going, whatever, that lotion... 550 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,185 "Helen's ritual." 551 00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:10,194 [Al] I didn't meet him until after they had a relationship goin' good. 552 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,531 And sure, I said sure. 553 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,200 Me and him about the same age. 554 00:42:16,283 --> 00:42:17,910 And I said "Miss Helen." 555 00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:22,540 And I would say they needed each other 556 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:24,625 at the time that she met him. 557 00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:26,794 She had someone to take care of, 558 00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,796 and he had someone to take care of him. 559 00:42:28,921 --> 00:42:32,299 And it seemed to be a good thing. 560 00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:36,720 [jazz music playing] 561 00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:09,169 [Lee] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 562 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,423 My name is Lee Morgan. 563 00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:16,093 For those of you who might have just come in, 564 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,012 the reason for all these microphones 565 00:43:18,095 --> 00:43:22,808 is that we're recording live for Blue Note Records. 566 00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:29,857 Lee Morgan Quintet live at Hermosa Beach, The Lighthouse. 567 00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:34,236 Now here's "Absolution." 568 00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:38,115 We were enjoying it. 569 00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:39,533 You know, we really enjoyed it 570 00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,036 because it gave us a chance, first of all, 571 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,039 to be away for a month from New York. 572 00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:47,082 Because we here by the ocean. 573 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:50,419 What I remember one thing, Lee practiced every day. 574 00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:51,712 Yeah. 575 00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:54,298 He would make me feel like, "Well, maybe I should practice too." 576 00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:55,549 [laughs] 577 00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:03,515 He was enjoying not wearing any shoes 578 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,978 and walking on the sand in his bare feet, you know. [laughs] 579 00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:10,606 How can you not be relaxed? 580 00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:12,775 This was a great place to relax. 581 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,239 [jazz music playing] 582 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:32,086 [Lee] Right now, it's just me and my wife, solo. 583 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:36,256 A lot of times, I would say at least half of the time, 584 00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,217 I'd take her with me. 585 00:44:39,468 --> 00:44:44,139 And she serves as wife, cook, secretary... 586 00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:46,308 everything else, you know? 587 00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,936 Besides, it's a nice vacation for her as well. 588 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,359 I could understand Helen's position. 589 00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:58,612 I mean, she wanted to be in that world. 590 00:44:58,779 --> 00:45:00,239 And he was the key. 591 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:04,326 And traveling up and down the West Coast 592 00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:07,079 and rubbing elbows with that crowd. 593 00:45:09,456 --> 00:45:13,627 [Jymie] She always did all the arrangements for the traveling. 594 00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:15,921 And she just, big head come in the door, 595 00:45:16,004 --> 00:45:17,506 and you'd know it was Helen. 596 00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:23,095 [Bennie] That was a good part of his life, I'm sure. 597 00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:27,182 I mean, they really cared about each other. 598 00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:28,600 They loved each other. 599 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,771 I see them sometimes, they were walking, holding hands, you know. 600 00:45:33,313 --> 00:45:36,150 Laughing about something, you know. 601 00:45:36,483 --> 00:45:38,318 Lee was always making her laugh. 602 00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:43,574 And I think that's one thing she liked a lot, you know. 603 00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:47,202 [crickets chirping] 604 00:45:54,042 --> 00:45:55,627 [Helen] I met Miles... 605 00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:56,670 nasty. 606 00:45:56,962 --> 00:45:58,839 Nasty, you know? 607 00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:01,425 I met him. 608 00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:04,511 He said hello, I said hello. 609 00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:08,599 He said, "And who are you supposed to be?" 610 00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:11,727 I said, "I am not 'supposed to be.'" 611 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:13,687 I am Helen Morgan. 612 00:46:14,062 --> 00:46:16,815 He said, "Oh, you mean Morgan's woman?" 613 00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:17,941 I said yes. 614 00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:22,237 He said, "Well, I guess you know who I am." [laughs] 615 00:46:23,238 --> 00:46:26,658 And I said, "I don't have to know who you are." 616 00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,495 And he laughed, you know. 617 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:33,207 He said, "I see you got a quick mouth." 618 00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:36,168 And the words he said to me like this, 619 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:40,881 "I don't mess too much around with bitches with quick mouths." 620 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:44,426 And I said, "Well, I don't consider myself that." 621 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,683 [Al] She was the entertainment's wife. 622 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,019 You know, it was her thing. 623 00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:58,607 It seemed to be working good, as far as I could see. 624 00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:00,817 More power to her. 625 00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:03,946 [jazz music playing] 626 00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:38,313 [Ron] I saw her one day, and I said, "Are you still with Lee?" 627 00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:39,231 She said, "Of course." 628 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:41,900 She said, "Yeah, I got him back on his feet, and we're doing this and this." 629 00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:43,318 Then I saw a different Helen. 630 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:45,028 It wasn't the Helen that I grew up with. 631 00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:49,616 It was a woman who cared, who almost had adopted a child 632 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,411 because Lee and her were quite different in age. 633 00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:55,330 And I was very proud of her. 634 00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:58,083 I was proud of her when I knew her as a young man. 635 00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,545 But as a man, I became even more proud of her. 636 00:48:02,462 --> 00:48:06,341 Because she was helping someone get back on their feet who had a lot of talent. 637 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:11,930 [Paul] His life was restored by Helen. 638 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,850 And it was joy to watch. 639 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:16,935 He had his own group. 640 00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,688 He was playing, was producing. 641 00:48:20,355 --> 00:48:22,482 And he was living. 642 00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:30,157 [Bennie] We would get together sometimes at his apartment-- 643 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,783 at their apartment, actually. 644 00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,619 Lee would call me. 645 00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:36,204 He'd say, "Why don't you come over and we'll have dinner? 646 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:37,789 So I said, "Okay." 647 00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:40,876 This apartment they had was beautiful. 648 00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:43,128 It was immaculate. 649 00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,088 Helen took care of the house. 650 00:48:45,213 --> 00:48:47,633 You know, she would fix us a nice dinner. 651 00:48:47,924 --> 00:48:49,885 We would sit down and have dinner. 652 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:56,391 And then after dinner, Lee would, you know, 653 00:48:56,475 --> 00:48:57,684 want to go out. 654 00:48:57,809 --> 00:49:00,604 Because he liked to go out and hear other musicians. 655 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:02,314 So we would leave. 656 00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:04,733 Helen would say,"No, I'm not going with you guys, 657 00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:06,360 because you're going to be out too late. 658 00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:08,236 I just want to stay here. 659 00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:10,072 It would be good to get him out of here 660 00:49:10,155 --> 00:49:11,490 so I could be here by myself." 661 00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:13,909 She was like, "Take him away." [laughs] 662 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:15,369 That kind of thing. 663 00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:17,454 So he said, "I'll be back." 664 00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:19,831 But it was always fun. 665 00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:25,837 [Paul] And so during that time, I said "What Lee needs now 666 00:49:25,962 --> 00:49:29,675 is not only the support that he gets from his home, from Helen, 667 00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:34,096 but he needs to be put in with a group of young people 668 00:49:34,971 --> 00:49:39,267 who are aspiring to be like him, artistically. 669 00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:43,271 So I brought him in to Jazzmobile Workshop. 670 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,235 [vocalizing] 671 00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:57,035 [Lee] I would teach anybody who wants it. 672 00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,079 It's mostly designed for youngsters, 673 00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:01,581 but anybody who wants to come. 674 00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:03,875 It's not really teaching. 675 00:50:03,959 --> 00:50:08,463 We've had, like, arrangements for big bands, small bands, whatnot. 676 00:50:08,547 --> 00:50:12,968 And these are donated by, say, by Thad or Benny Golson, 677 00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:14,886 or Oliver Nelson, Wayne Shorter. 678 00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:16,430 You know, our top writers. 679 00:50:16,763 --> 00:50:18,765 And they get a chance to play. 680 00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:23,395 Some of the more talented ones are trying to write themselves. 681 00:50:23,478 --> 00:50:25,897 And we kind of evaluate their things, you know. 682 00:50:28,316 --> 00:50:30,569 I notice a lot of times I'm talking to them, 683 00:50:31,486 --> 00:50:35,824 and I'll say something or mention something 684 00:50:35,907 --> 00:50:38,201 that might have happened in the 50s or something, 685 00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,661 talking about Clifford Brown... 686 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:42,789 And he'll be looking at me with a puzzled look. 687 00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:46,835 And I realize that here, I'm talking to a kid that's only 15 years old. 688 00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:49,421 To him, I'm ancient. 689 00:50:49,504 --> 00:50:51,590 You see what I'm trying to say? 690 00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:55,051 [Paul] These young kids, they loved him. 691 00:50:55,135 --> 00:50:59,306 And they were soaking up all that he had to offer. 692 00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:03,185 And he wanted to give and give and give and give. 693 00:51:03,268 --> 00:51:05,771 [jazz music playing] 694 00:51:11,526 --> 00:51:13,153 [Lee] I find that 695 00:51:14,029 --> 00:51:16,990 the essence of creativity is the newness of things. 696 00:51:17,073 --> 00:51:19,242 And the only way to keep things new 697 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:22,412 is to have constant changes in environment 698 00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:24,414 and surroundings and people. 699 00:51:25,081 --> 00:51:30,003 And that's the thing that is so exciting about being a jazz musician. 700 00:51:30,962 --> 00:51:32,923 [jazz music playing] 701 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:41,973 [Lena] Wow. 702 00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:43,225 [chuckles] 703 00:51:45,894 --> 00:51:46,895 Man, Lee. 704 00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:50,857 That's the fun. That's what I saw a lot of. 705 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:52,150 That's the fun stuff. 706 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,444 Fooling around. 707 00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:57,030 Yeah, I like that one. 708 00:51:59,908 --> 00:52:05,038 I met Lee Morgan in the late 1950s in Atlantic City, New Jersey 709 00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,583 when my family was working down there 710 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:12,671 in the different clubs, in the cabaret clubs, preceding the casinos. 711 00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:16,258 And Lee Morgan was at the Cotton Club with the Cookers, 712 00:52:16,591 --> 00:52:17,759 his own group. 713 00:52:19,052 --> 00:52:20,887 When we hung out, we'd go to the movies, 714 00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,681 we'd get popcorn, we'd spill it. 715 00:52:22,764 --> 00:52:24,307 He'd laugh just like a kid. 716 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,394 And I liked him because he was so down-to-earth. 717 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,271 He called himself Howdy Doody. 718 00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:32,107 That was a private joke we had between us 719 00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:34,025 because he had big ears like Howdy Doody, 720 00:52:34,109 --> 00:52:36,278 which was a doll clown years ago. 721 00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:38,196 And so he says, "I'm Howdy Doody." 722 00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:41,449 And he'd called me Baby Huey because I had kind of big butt. 723 00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:48,123 He says,"Let's go up to the Blue Note and let's pick out some albums, 724 00:52:48,206 --> 00:52:49,332 and we'd just listen to them." 725 00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:52,544 And at that time in my car, I had an 8-track in my car. 726 00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:55,213 That's as big as a VHS now, you know, 727 00:52:55,297 --> 00:52:57,257 this big thing and you put it in your car. 728 00:52:57,591 --> 00:52:59,843 And we would ride around listening to music. 729 00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,761 Go down by the West Side Highway, 730 00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:04,681 end up at the George Washington Bridge, and listen to music. 731 00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:07,559 Nothing fancy, just hang out. 732 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:10,562 That's just what we did. 733 00:53:10,645 --> 00:53:12,647 [jazz music playing] 734 00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,041 [Helen] He ventured out often, either at the train at the Grand Concourse, 735 00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:32,751 and I ain't going back to New Jersey. 736 00:53:33,209 --> 00:53:35,503 [jazz music playing] 737 00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,477 Lee's kind of seeing this girl. 738 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,271 You know what I mean? 739 00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:04,824 Once he was got himself straight, I warned him. 740 00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:09,955 And then they were hangin' out. 741 00:54:10,038 --> 00:54:11,957 She was--you know. 742 00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:13,959 He had somebody to-- 743 00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:21,049 I started hangin' around. 744 00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:29,140 And I'd go in the bathroom, and they would be in there, you know. 745 00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:36,272 [Bennie] I got a call from Helen. 746 00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:41,569 And Helen was looking for Lee. 747 00:54:42,612 --> 00:54:44,614 And Lee never stayed out all night. 748 00:54:44,698 --> 00:54:45,573 Never. 749 00:54:45,657 --> 00:54:48,994 Generally, when he was out, he was out with Helen. 750 00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,912 Or he was out with me. 751 00:54:51,246 --> 00:54:52,664 It would be like that. 752 00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:54,791 And so she says, "I'm really concerned about him 753 00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:57,460 because he didn't come home last night. 754 00:54:58,003 --> 00:54:59,546 And he didn't call me. 755 00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:05,885 So I don't know what to think, if he's hurt 756 00:55:06,011 --> 00:55:08,138 or, you know, what's happening. 757 00:55:08,221 --> 00:55:09,472 Have you seen him?" 758 00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:12,851 And I told her,"No, I haven't seen him." 759 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,856 So later in the day, Lee called me. 760 00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:20,400 And I told him that Helen had called me. 761 00:55:20,483 --> 00:55:23,111 He says, "Yeah, I know. She was calling everybody." 762 00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:25,864 And he said, "I met this woman, 763 00:55:25,989 --> 00:55:29,617 and there's a vibe between this woman and I, 764 00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:32,912 and I went to her house, and I did not go home." 765 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:35,749 So I was like, "Wow." 766 00:55:46,217 --> 00:55:47,635 [interviewer] How old are you now? 767 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:49,888 [Lee] Thirty three. 768 00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:53,141 [interviewer] Well, you're still very young, man. You've been around for years. 769 00:55:53,224 --> 00:55:54,059 [Lee] Right. 770 00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:56,603 Right, I started with Dizzy at 18. 771 00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,942 So that means last 15 years. 772 00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:03,860 [interviewer] Mm-hmm. 773 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:06,196 That's like a lot to have learned something from. 774 00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:07,280 [Lee] Mm-hmm. 775 00:56:25,048 --> 00:56:29,511 [Lena] Between Christmas and New Years, when the year 1972 came in, 776 00:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,180 we were hanging out in Jersey, going to the local bar. 777 00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:34,057 He was shooting pool with my friends. 778 00:56:34,265 --> 00:56:35,642 He just wanted to be in New Jersey, 779 00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:37,477 go to the diner that stayed open all day, 780 00:56:37,602 --> 00:56:40,563 East Orange Diner from East Orange, New Jersey. 781 00:56:40,688 --> 00:56:42,565 Go to the diner, you know. 782 00:56:42,649 --> 00:56:48,279 And on New Year's Eve, we were at my house. 783 00:56:48,696 --> 00:56:52,325 No hanging out, no giggin', no partyin', no nothing. 784 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:54,619 And we just crashed watching the fish tank. 785 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:58,998 I had a 100-gallon-long fish tank from my children. 786 00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:01,584 Fish tank was like the center of attraction in my house. 787 00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:04,129 Because the fish were really cool. 788 00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:07,507 And he would sit there mesmerized watching the fish. 789 00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:10,051 He said, "I'm not composing anymore." 790 00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:14,139 I never bothered him. 791 00:57:15,181 --> 00:57:19,561 I just wanted him to search his own soul and feel good about it. 792 00:57:20,728 --> 00:57:23,064 Because of the addiction and whatnot, 793 00:57:23,648 --> 00:57:28,778 his sexuality was very, very, very, very, very, very limited. 794 00:57:29,237 --> 00:57:31,114 Almost non-existent 795 00:57:31,197 --> 00:57:32,740 because of what he had been through. 796 00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:36,035 It didn't faze me because we were good friends. 797 00:57:36,536 --> 00:57:41,916 And that New Year's Eve, he woke me up like 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning, 798 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,128 which was then 1972 had come in. 799 00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:50,049 And he said something drastic is getting ready to happen. 800 00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:51,468 He said "I can feel it." 801 00:57:53,636 --> 00:57:57,015 [jazz music playing] 802 00:58:09,152 --> 00:58:13,156 [Billy] I heard from Lee that we were supposed to do a television recording 803 00:58:13,448 --> 00:58:15,909 on this show called Soul. 804 00:58:16,951 --> 00:58:20,705 This show featured jazz acts, jazz performances. 805 00:58:20,955 --> 00:58:24,667 And the audience was a lot of young black listeners 806 00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:26,794 who were really into jazz. 807 00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:28,338 So this was a good one. 808 00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:32,008 This was a good show, a good event to participate in. 809 00:58:34,594 --> 00:58:35,512 Good evening. 810 00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:39,432 I'm your announcer, Jerry B. And tonight on Soul, 811 00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:41,351 trumpet star Lee Morgan, 812 00:58:42,852 --> 00:58:46,606 Harold Mabern, Jymie Merritt, 813 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,818 Freddy Waits, Billy Harper. 814 00:58:53,571 --> 00:58:55,323 Yeah, it was a nice set. 815 00:58:56,241 --> 00:58:59,369 And it was good to have the opportunity to, you know, 816 00:58:59,452 --> 00:59:00,745 be on television at that time. 817 00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:03,998 [applause] 818 00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:07,460 Here is brother Lee Morgan and the Quintet. 819 00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:12,006 Now, we'd like to do a brand new one. 820 00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:15,885 This was composed by our bassist Jymie Merritt, 821 00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:18,930 and is dedicated to sister Angela Davis. 822 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:20,557 The title, "Angela." 823 00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:38,616 [Jymie] We recorded a tune called "Angela," 824 00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:44,539 which was something that Lee had asked me to write for, you know, 825 00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:46,124 write something for him. 826 00:59:46,457 --> 00:59:49,419 And that seemed to be something that needed 827 00:59:49,502 --> 00:59:51,546 to be addressed at that time. 828 01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:17,739 [Lee] You know, I don't believe in labels in music, period. 829 01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:23,244 I don't even like the word "jazz," really. I think it's a bad word. 830 01:00:23,369 --> 01:00:24,537 It's not a word that we made up. 831 01:00:24,662 --> 01:00:26,164 It's a word that we were told what it was. 832 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:29,584 Just like we were told that we are negroes, or you know... 833 01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:30,877 Same kind of thing. 834 01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,715 If you ask me what would I call our music, you know, 835 01:00:35,798 --> 01:00:37,050 the best that I could come up with 836 01:00:37,175 --> 01:00:39,927 would probably be "black classical music." 837 01:00:41,804 --> 01:00:44,766 But then that's even a broad term, you know? 838 01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:48,144 [jazz music playing] 839 01:00:57,945 --> 01:01:00,990 [Helen] He did a television show, and naturally, I was there. 840 01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:04,035 But that didn't mean nothing! 841 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:13,127 Because when we left, he was going on to her. 842 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:15,922 And I was going on to... 843 01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:17,090 you know. 844 01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:21,886 [applause] 845 01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:23,888 "What you doin'?" I said, 846 01:01:23,971 --> 01:01:27,517 "I'm not one of those women that you can talk to 847 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,187 wile I'm the main woman and you got somebody outside that." 848 01:01:31,312 --> 01:01:33,564 I said, "I'm not built that way. 849 01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:35,149 That's not me. 850 01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:37,568 I never--no, no-- 851 01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:38,986 I'm no main woman 852 01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,656 if you leavin' me here every night by myself 853 01:01:41,781 --> 01:01:43,491 and you out there with somebody. 854 01:01:43,574 --> 01:01:44,784 I'm not-- 855 01:01:49,414 --> 01:01:53,543 I also get up, told him I had some friends in Chicago, 856 01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:55,211 and I was going to visit them. 857 01:01:56,754 --> 01:01:59,757 And I told him, I said, "I'm going to Chicago. 858 01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:01,968 I don't know when I'll be back." 859 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:06,264 I said,"Because I feel like something bad's gonna happen out of this." 860 01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:12,979 And that Sunday, he begged me not to go. 861 01:02:14,021 --> 01:02:16,065 He said, "No, no, don't go." 862 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:20,194 "Don't go to Chicago," he said. 863 01:02:21,696 --> 01:02:24,866 I said, "Well, you can't live-- I can't live like this. 864 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:28,202 I said it's not in me. 865 01:02:30,371 --> 01:02:33,166 And I didn't go to Chicago. 866 01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:37,420 And I told him, I said, "You know, Morgan, 867 01:02:37,503 --> 01:02:40,465 I'm making the biggest mistake of my life." 868 01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:47,472 [jazz music playing] 869 01:03:03,154 --> 01:03:05,198 [newsreader] This is the news in detail on the hour. 870 01:03:05,323 --> 01:03:08,242 National Weather Service warns the Nor'easter currently hitting the city 871 01:03:08,326 --> 01:03:10,369 could bring the biggest snowfall of the winter. 872 01:03:10,495 --> 01:03:14,540 Winds up to 40 miles an hour and continued snow and sleet are expected. 873 01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:16,709 Again, high winds, lows around 32 874 01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:18,586 and a high temperature of 37. 875 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,839 Authorities advice you to stay off the road and stay indoors... 876 01:03:21,923 --> 01:03:26,010 [Billy] So that night, we had the gig at Slugs'. 877 01:03:28,054 --> 01:03:33,434 Well in the first place, Slugs', this was a real raw saloon basically, you know. 878 01:03:33,518 --> 01:03:36,354 I mean, when you go in there, sawdust on the floor. 879 01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:38,272 And then the stage in the back. 880 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,692 That was one of the places where all the musicians were playing at the time. 881 01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:46,697 And so it had the reputation of a place where you can really hear the real cats. 882 01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:54,747 I remember it was a most difficult night. 883 01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:59,085 It was a night that started out, and then it became something else. 884 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:00,461 It was a snow-- 885 01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,588 When we got there, the snow was two feet high. 886 01:04:02,713 --> 01:04:06,008 I remember because I had to get out of there with my instrument. 887 01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:11,347 Then I went back to Philadelphia the next day. 888 01:04:11,472 --> 01:04:14,767 That was... that was it. 889 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:20,356 [Lena] It was February 18th. 890 01:04:20,481 --> 01:04:22,233 I met Lee for dinner. 891 01:04:23,276 --> 01:04:25,736 And he liked the dress that I had on. 892 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:28,489 I remember him talking about my dress. "I like your dress." 893 01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:32,535 And we ate. 894 01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:34,245 And then I said, "Well, it's going to be a blizzard, 895 01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:37,123 so I got to go back to Jersey. 896 01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:38,833 Because I ain't drivin' in the snow." 897 01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:43,921 He said, "Just take me up to the Bronx, I'll get my horn, 898 01:04:44,046 --> 01:04:46,007 and drop me off at Slugs'." 899 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:48,801 And that was the plan. 900 01:04:55,558 --> 01:05:00,229 [Helen] And that Saturday, I don't know what possessed me. 901 01:05:00,313 --> 01:05:02,064 I said, "I'm going to Slugs'." 902 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:03,816 He was working down there that whole week. 903 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,693 I hadn’t been down there that whole week. 904 01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:12,074 And a fella was stayin' with me named Ed. 905 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,492 So Ed was gay. 906 01:05:13,576 --> 01:05:16,787 And Ed knew all the musicians and everything, you know. 907 01:05:16,871 --> 01:05:19,081 And I said, "Ed, come on." 908 01:05:19,206 --> 01:05:20,458 He said, "Don't go." 909 01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:24,545 I said,"No, I'm goin'." 910 01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:27,214 He said "I just don't want you to go." 911 01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:38,100 [Lena] As you may know, up in the Bronx, a lot of streets are cobblestone. 912 01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:42,605 And we slid on the cobblestone and totaled my car. 913 01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:45,816 So we got the-- we didn't get hurt, though. 914 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,486 We had our fur coats and we were all bundled up. 915 01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:50,404 It was near the Grand Concourse. 916 01:05:51,322 --> 01:05:53,157 He went upstairs and got his horn. 917 01:05:55,242 --> 01:05:56,827 I said, "Well, I got to get back to Jersey." 918 01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:58,162 My car was totaled. 919 01:05:58,829 --> 01:06:02,375 It was maybe four or five inches of snow by then. 920 01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:09,173 Going down in the cab, going down from Grand Concourse stand to Slugs'. 921 01:06:09,465 --> 01:06:12,635 Now we're talking about seven, eight inches of snow. 922 01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:19,058 He said,"I can't not go on the stand because I'm the leader, it's my group." 923 01:06:20,476 --> 01:06:24,313 And he was flashing back to when he was strung out, 924 01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,149 and lots of times he didn't show up. 925 01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:29,068 He said,"I can't let them down." 926 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:32,071 So I went in. 927 01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:34,407 I sat by the door, because if I could get a cab, 928 01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,825 I was going to get out of there. 929 01:06:39,912 --> 01:06:41,288 [Jymie] That night was pay night. 930 01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,666 And Lee was late getting there. 931 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,420 And when he came in, he rushed right to the bathroom. 932 01:06:47,503 --> 01:06:50,798 He had to throw up. 933 01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:53,884 He had just--his car had just totaled. 934 01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:56,387 He had totaled his car on the way to work. 935 01:07:03,102 --> 01:07:06,022 [Helen] I said, "I'm just going to stop in Slugs' 936 01:07:08,357 --> 01:07:09,400 and say hello." 937 01:07:09,525 --> 01:07:12,528 And then I'd gone over to the band guy named Freddy. 938 01:07:15,531 --> 01:07:18,367 A guy Cam I met down there. 939 01:07:28,753 --> 01:07:31,338 And I went in Slugs', went in. 940 01:07:32,506 --> 01:07:36,010 [jazz music playing] 941 01:07:45,936 --> 01:07:48,272 [Billy] You know, while we were playing, he said,"Don't look now 942 01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:50,066 but Helen just came in." 943 01:07:52,276 --> 01:07:55,654 I didn't know there was a big problem with them at the time. 944 01:07:55,821 --> 01:07:58,532 But when I look back, you know, it was like a movie. 945 01:07:58,824 --> 01:08:00,868 The doors flung open and there was Helen. 946 01:08:03,496 --> 01:08:05,623 [Lena] It was crowded for it to be a blizzard. 947 01:08:07,041 --> 01:08:09,085 Um, Helen came to the door. 948 01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:12,797 He was not sitting with me, I was sitting by the door 949 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,007 so I could see out the window, waiting for a cab. 950 01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:19,637 "I'm here for the draw." 951 01:08:20,012 --> 01:08:21,806 That's what Helen said, "I'm here for the draw." 952 01:08:21,931 --> 01:08:23,182 She said it real loud. 953 01:08:24,725 --> 01:08:25,768 He said, "You want a draw?" 954 01:08:25,893 --> 01:08:27,937 Which would be, musicians get a draw. 955 01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:30,731 They can draw money out of their pay. 956 01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:32,942 And whatever, I didn't even hear the argument. 957 01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:34,819 I knew something was going on. 958 01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:39,073 [Paul] It was snowing outside. 959 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:43,494 And I and my lady decided 960 01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:46,664 we're going to run down to Slugs' and catch Lee. 961 01:08:49,166 --> 01:08:51,418 As I walked in, Helen approached me. 962 01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:59,927 And she says, "Paul, could you go and talk to your friend, Lee? 963 01:09:01,303 --> 01:09:04,348 And, because he's got his little girlfriend here. 964 01:09:05,474 --> 01:09:08,477 And I feel very uncomfortable with her being here, 965 01:09:08,561 --> 01:09:09,854 and she shouldn't be here." 966 01:09:11,188 --> 01:09:12,356 I said okay. 967 01:09:13,023 --> 01:09:14,441 So I walked over to him. 968 01:09:14,567 --> 01:09:17,653 He was at the bar and talking to this little lady. 969 01:09:18,696 --> 01:09:21,699 "Lee," I said,"look. Your wife is here. 970 01:09:22,449 --> 01:09:24,702 And I don't know who this young lady is. 971 01:09:25,786 --> 01:09:28,706 But I think you ought to take her outside, put her in a cab, 972 01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:29,915 and send her home." 973 01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:33,460 "All right, okay, all right, we'll do it." 974 01:09:33,544 --> 01:09:36,380 You know, that was his attitude at the time. 975 01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:42,011 And so his wife then came and sat with us. 976 01:09:44,388 --> 01:09:46,849 [Helen] Morgan came where I was. 977 01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:48,893 We was talking. 978 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:50,603 The girl walked up. 979 01:09:51,061 --> 01:09:52,313 And she said, 980 01:09:52,813 --> 01:09:57,526 "I thought you wasn't supposed to be with her anymore," or something. 981 01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:00,529 "I'm not-- 982 01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,115 I'm not with this bitch, 983 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,409 I'm just telling her to leave me alone." 984 01:10:06,243 --> 01:10:07,995 And about that time, I hit him. 985 01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:10,748 And when I hit him, 986 01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:15,377 I didn't have on my coat or nothing but I had my bag. 987 01:10:16,337 --> 01:10:18,214 He threw me out the club. 988 01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:21,759 Winter time. 989 01:10:25,721 --> 01:10:28,390 The gun fell out the bag. 990 01:10:31,268 --> 01:10:35,231 He's the one who bought me the gun. I couldn't get it myself. 991 01:10:38,150 --> 01:10:39,193 And I got up. 992 01:10:45,157 --> 01:10:51,747 So my lady said to me, "Paul, Helen is outside in the snow. 993 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,874 Her coat is here. 994 01:10:54,041 --> 01:10:56,335 Why don't you take her coat to her?" 995 01:10:57,836 --> 01:10:59,880 And she comes in. 996 01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:02,967 [Lena] Lee was getting ready to go back up there, 997 01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:05,010 play "Angela" for Angela Davis. 998 01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:08,389 And he was getting ready to go back up and Helen came in. 999 01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,350 Helen is walking and I'm walking, 1000 01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:13,060 we're both walking toward each other, 1001 01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:14,645 and Lee is in the middle. 1002 01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:18,816 And she once again taps Lee on his shoulder, 1003 01:11:18,899 --> 01:11:21,193 but she has her hand in her pocketbook. 1004 01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:25,197 And taps him, and Lee turns around. 1005 01:11:25,906 --> 01:11:27,449 And bam! 1006 01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,662 And I said, "What is that?" You know, we're looking up. 1007 01:11:31,745 --> 01:11:34,331 Lee's still standing up, and I thought maybe-- 1008 01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:38,085 I don't know what happened. Maybe somebody shot something in the air or something. 1009 01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:40,170 It was just pop-pop. 1010 01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:42,047 Pop--one pop, I don't know. 1011 01:11:42,798 --> 01:11:46,093 And, um, and he fell. 1012 01:12:04,862 --> 01:12:07,406 [Helen] Yeah, I lost it, I lost it. 1013 01:12:10,576 --> 01:12:13,370 I said, "I couldn't have did this. 1014 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,497 I couldn't have did this. 1015 01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:19,960 This must be a dream. 1016 01:12:21,628 --> 01:12:23,255 And I'mma wake up." 1017 01:12:27,301 --> 01:12:28,719 [sirens wailing] 1018 01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:31,138 [Paul] The police came right away. 1019 01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:36,560 But in--I don't know whether it was because of the bad weather, 1020 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:41,106 the ambulance took almost an hour to get to the club. 1021 01:12:44,276 --> 01:12:45,778 I think he could have been saved. 1022 01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:51,492 It took such a long time for the ambulance to come. 1023 01:12:56,372 --> 01:12:57,373 [Jymie] E verybody walked away-- 1024 01:12:57,456 --> 01:12:59,166 I don't know, I never walked back. 1025 01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:01,877 I never--I don't know... 1026 01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:06,256 I was never able to go down that street again. 1027 01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:10,511 Didn't get back to New York. 1028 01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:18,185 [jazz music playing] 1029 01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:55,055 [Lena] I went with him to the hospital, 1030 01:13:55,139 --> 01:13:57,141 sitting in this big empty Bellevue, 1031 01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:58,892 and ran to see by myself. 1032 01:14:01,478 --> 01:14:05,774 After a while, I saw them come out of the ER with a big bag, 1033 01:14:05,858 --> 01:14:07,609 they were dragging it on the floor. 1034 01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:09,570 And there was blood-- 1035 01:14:09,653 --> 01:14:11,447 there was nobody there but Lee. 1036 01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:17,786 And I just walked over, over to it. 1037 01:14:17,995 --> 01:14:19,371 I knew he was gone. 1038 01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:32,468 [newsreader] Well-known trumpet player, Lee Morgan was fatally shot 1039 01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:35,179 during a Saturday morning in an East Village jazz club. 1040 01:14:35,262 --> 01:14:38,265 Police said the 33-year-old Morgan had quarreled earlier 1041 01:14:38,348 --> 01:14:40,809 with his wife, Helen Morgan, who shot the musician 1042 01:14:40,893 --> 01:14:43,270 once in the chest after he completed the late night set 1043 01:14:43,353 --> 01:14:44,605 at Slugs' Jazz Club. 1044 01:14:44,771 --> 01:14:46,231 Police have arrested Mrs. Morgan, 1045 01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:48,692 who is due to be arraigned in Manhattan criminal court. 1046 01:14:48,901 --> 01:14:50,944 No further statements have been issued. 1047 01:14:55,699 --> 01:14:59,244 We had a memorial service over in Philadelphia. 1048 01:15:00,078 --> 01:15:01,580 And, uh... 1049 01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:06,084 And they buried him in Philadelphia. 1050 01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:10,714 And that was a very sad time. 1051 01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:17,888 That was--that was... the end of a beginning. 1052 01:15:32,444 --> 01:15:34,947 [Bennie] I cried most of the day that day. 1053 01:15:35,197 --> 01:15:40,369 And I hadn't cried, you know, in ages. 1054 01:15:41,995 --> 01:15:45,791 I don't remember crying like that. 1055 01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:51,004 And then I was curious about what happened to Helen. 1056 01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:53,632 And then I heard that, of course, 1057 01:15:53,715 --> 01:15:59,555 the police had arrested her, taken her to jail. 1058 01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,725 And I never saw her again. 1059 01:16:08,021 --> 01:16:11,567 [Helen] And it came down, you know. 1060 01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:13,944 My kids is upset. 1061 01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:17,114 They don't know what to think. 1062 01:16:17,364 --> 01:16:19,783 They don't know what to think, you know? 1063 01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:22,828 I had to go to court. 1064 01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:27,124 And then when we went to jail, I sat there. 1065 01:16:27,374 --> 01:16:29,293 And I was just sitting there. 1066 01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:39,052 She was, for a while there, I mean, she just-- 1067 01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:44,433 it was almost like 1068 01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:49,771 she wished she had shot herself instead of him. 1069 01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:55,110 And then trying to get her out, trying to get a lawyer, 1070 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:56,653 all those kind of things-- 1071 01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:59,323 it was pretty hectic. 1072 01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:05,621 The lawyer made arrangements for her 1073 01:17:05,704 --> 01:17:09,750 to plead guilty to second-degree manslaughter. 1074 01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:13,962 And I think within two or five years' probation. 1075 01:17:14,087 --> 01:17:15,964 That's what she pleaded guilty to. 1076 01:17:19,176 --> 01:17:22,137 [serene music playing] 1077 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:38,820 She had to get permission to leave the state of New York. 1078 01:17:39,988 --> 01:17:46,828 We drove down, probably it was in 1974 or '75, 1079 01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:48,872 somewhere along then. 1080 01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:53,293 We took her down. 1081 01:17:55,921 --> 01:18:00,425 So she wanted to go visit. 1082 01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:06,848 And that was the first time that she had been back down there. 1083 01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:11,770 And she took me to the house, the country, 1084 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,605 I think where I was born. 1085 01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:20,070 She really seemed to be visiting her childhood when we was there. 1086 01:18:20,153 --> 01:18:21,905 Because she was-- you know, 1087 01:18:21,988 --> 01:18:25,450 you're able to walk without shoes on when you're in the country, you know. 1088 01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:26,410 And walking, and-- 1089 01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:30,872 And she is talking about all of the things that she remembered. 1090 01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:34,668 Because all she could visit in that place was her childhood, 1091 01:18:34,751 --> 01:18:37,963 because she had no other connections to it. 1092 01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:58,650 And then she wound up moving back there. 1093 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:00,610 She moved down to Wilmington. 1094 01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:07,284 She became active in the church. 1095 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,537 I don't want to use the word "religious" 1096 01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:12,164 because that wasn't her. 1097 01:19:12,247 --> 01:19:16,209 But she still had this thing in her 1098 01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:19,504 about the taking of a life. 1099 01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:25,761 It's like she had to help folks from that point on. 1100 01:19:25,844 --> 01:19:27,095 She had to help folks. 1101 01:19:27,554 --> 01:19:31,057 And she did a lot of cooking in a home for people, you know, 1102 01:19:31,141 --> 01:19:32,267 for the church and whatever 1103 01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:33,602 because they loved her cooking, 1104 01:19:33,685 --> 01:19:35,687 and she was traveling with the bishop. 1105 01:19:35,979 --> 01:19:41,026 She moved right into the church, and became a celebrity in the church. 1106 01:19:41,818 --> 01:19:45,030 And how could I say-- she found her salvation. 1107 01:20:14,768 --> 01:20:16,561 [Helen] I was over there in Rikers. 1108 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:22,567 And I said, "Well, Helen, you got to get yourself together. 1109 01:20:23,276 --> 01:20:24,152 It's done. 1110 01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:26,488 You done put yourself in it now. 1111 01:20:27,113 --> 01:20:28,949 You got to get your mind-- 1112 01:20:29,032 --> 01:20:31,576 you got to get yourself together mentally 1113 01:20:32,494 --> 01:20:34,704 to accept what you've done." 1114 01:20:37,249 --> 01:20:41,670 And the lawyer came over and talked to me. 1115 01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:45,966 He came to see me. 1116 01:20:46,299 --> 01:20:47,384 [child] Sweet grains. 1117 01:20:47,467 --> 01:20:48,635 [Helen] Oh, okay. 1118 01:20:49,094 --> 01:20:53,390 And he said that what was going on, 1119 01:20:53,557 --> 01:20:55,559 he was waiting for the right lawyer. 1120 01:20:56,142 --> 01:20:56,977 And-- 1121 01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:58,311 [man] Hey, little guy. 1122 01:20:58,395 --> 01:20:59,229 How you doin'? 1123 01:20:59,813 --> 01:21:01,064 [high-pitched noise] 1124 01:21:07,946 --> 01:21:09,906 [Larry Thomas] And then her grandson walked in. 1125 01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:13,159 So we had to stop the conversation at that point. 1126 01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:14,828 We had to stop the conversation. 1127 01:21:14,911 --> 01:21:18,373 So at that point, I said, "Can I come back and finish?" 1128 01:21:18,456 --> 01:21:21,042 You know, because we really weren't finished. 1129 01:21:21,626 --> 01:21:23,003 And she said, "Sure." 1130 01:21:23,211 --> 01:21:26,131 And that was in February, 1996. 1131 01:21:26,381 --> 01:21:28,633 And March, 1996, she died. 1132 01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:45,275 [Billy] I just couldn't believe it. 1133 01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:49,946 All the musicians were, of course, 1134 01:21:52,032 --> 01:21:53,950 just befuddled. 1135 01:21:56,077 --> 01:21:57,162 Didn't know what to think. 1136 01:21:57,245 --> 01:21:58,622 Because they were both together. 1137 01:21:58,705 --> 01:22:02,918 They were always the people who we related to, both of them. 1138 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,796 [Larry Ridley] I was mad for a long time. 1139 01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:10,216 You know, "How can she do that to my brother, Lee Morgan," you know. 1140 01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:11,927 "If I ever see her, I don't know, 1141 01:22:12,010 --> 01:22:13,929 I'm gonna give her a piece of my mind." 1142 01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:15,555 You know, I was really angry. 1143 01:22:15,972 --> 01:22:17,432 I went through that for a while. 1144 01:22:17,515 --> 01:22:19,017 And I was always wondering, 1145 01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:20,894 "What am I going to do 1146 01:22:21,478 --> 01:22:25,398 when I finally come in contact with her?" 1147 01:22:26,066 --> 01:22:31,529 And it was interesting because I was playing at a club called the Needle's Eye. 1148 01:22:32,072 --> 01:22:36,534 And this is after she finally got out of jail and she was released. 1149 01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:38,870 And she was in the club. 1150 01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:39,955 And I was playing there. 1151 01:22:40,038 --> 01:22:42,999 And she came there specifically to see me because she-- 1152 01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:45,710 you know, we were all very close, you know. 1153 01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:50,340 And I had all this anger that had been built up. 1154 01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:53,927 And when I saw her, and the expression on her face , 1155 01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:55,804 and the vibe I got from her, 1156 01:22:56,805 --> 01:22:59,224 I couldn't do anything but open my arms open. 1157 01:22:59,307 --> 01:23:03,853 And she came and just started hugging me and she was crying. 1158 01:23:04,437 --> 01:23:06,272 And she said, "Larry, I'm so sorry. 1159 01:23:06,356 --> 01:23:07,357 I'm so sorry. 1160 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,817 I didn't mean to do it." 1161 01:23:09,442 --> 01:23:10,986 That's what she said to me. 1162 01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:14,823 And you know, like, all of that anger 1163 01:23:14,906 --> 01:23:18,034 and everything just went away. 1164 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:20,161 [jazz music playing] 1165 01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:22,038 [Paul] I was-- I was very angry. 1166 01:23:22,122 --> 01:23:24,541 That was my first response, anger. 1167 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:31,464 I was angry at her for having committed this act 1168 01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:34,801 on somebody I consider a friend, 1169 01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:39,764 and someone who contributed so much 1170 01:23:39,848 --> 01:23:42,475 in his short life, to our music. 1171 01:23:42,809 --> 01:23:46,688 That was my initial feeling, one of anger. 1172 01:23:48,148 --> 01:23:49,315 And yet... 1173 01:23:52,193 --> 01:23:54,154 I had a feeling of compassion. 1174 01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:58,074 Because I realized that this was the woman 1175 01:23:59,325 --> 01:24:03,329 who literally picked this man up out of the gutter. 1176 01:24:03,413 --> 01:24:05,373 I mean literally, the gutter. 1177 01:24:07,167 --> 01:24:12,964 And made it possible for him to function again as an artist, 1178 01:24:13,339 --> 01:24:14,924 as a human being. 1179 01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:20,930 [Wayne] Sometimes I am talking to people now, 1180 01:24:22,265 --> 01:24:24,142 and I would say to them, 1181 01:24:26,394 --> 01:24:28,855 "You should have known Lee Morgan," you know. 1182 01:24:30,106 --> 01:24:32,400 They'll see a picture of him and say, "Who's this?" 1183 01:24:32,484 --> 01:24:34,736 I'll say,"His name is Lee Morgan." 1184 01:24:37,405 --> 01:24:39,741 [jazz music playing] 1185 01:26:59,839 --> 01:27:02,842 [jazz music playing]