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I drove him to school
That morning like I always do,

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and expected to pick him up
around 5:30 from the track training.

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He sneaks out of the house

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friends to back-to-school parties.

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They end at Hardees

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not too far from where I live

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That afternoon,

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around four o'clock, I got a phone call from one of his friends,

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and he said that he had a note for me,

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says that he loves us

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and he must go
and go find himself.

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Someone returns home,

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other young women get into
a car with several men,

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and M.A. don't want
to get into the car

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And that's when a woman approaches her,

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tell him that he will go
to help him return home

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And what he does is he...

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Takes him into the life of hell.

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Putri Kubiiki, M.A., who is 13 years old,

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and daughter of Nacole, J.S., aged 15,

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now includes 1.6 million homeless people

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and runaway children in America.

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Within a few hours after releasing radar,

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thousands of them
will be traded sex.

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A polite term for
repeatedly raped

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Here's the story
the girls and their parents,

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and their struggle against
a legal and political system

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that protects website earnings
millions of dollars a year.

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A website where children are bought and sold,

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with a little more than
click the mouse

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That is the third link from above.

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It has a star and a heart.

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And that said, "Young and new."

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But that star and heart
attract my attention

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So I clicked it and...

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There is a photo of my daughter.

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I call and ask to buy
the service itself.

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We return it,
But he is addicted to drugs.

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He is very abused.

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He ran away twice more.

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I said, "Why did you run away?"

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And he said, "Okay, mother, I have to go and take this pill."

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And I'm like, "what pill?"

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And that's when I learned
about other things,

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You know, that he shot him...

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The next thing you know, boom.

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My daughter was stabbed and burned,

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and his head is shaved,

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and he was beaten.

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Drug dealers are tried.

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He was given a five-year sentence.

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He is responsible
for the part of his crime.

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As soon as I told him

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about all the pain and suffering
I experienced

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and I want revenge, he also did it.

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For companies that are assisted by

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My 13 year ad
children for sale,

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they are not responsible

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We use it for buying and selling
sofa, TV, video games.

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I never knew

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that there are also humans sold.

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He calls them repeatedly,

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ask them to delete the picture
from his 13-year-old daughter,

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that is still online

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They refuse.

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This makes Kubiiki a collision
Of course with a Federal Judge,

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special interest groups,
and company money,

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all stick to the law which
has been interpreted

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to provide a safe place
for many things online,

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including buying and selling children.

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Because the photo of her daughter
is still online,

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Kubiiki then takes the immediate goal
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Pedroli and Gauthier,
how can I help you

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I believe we
the first person to demand Backpage

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on behalf of traded parents.

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I was thinking so
everyone who plays

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in damage to my child
must be responsible

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And that means everyone.

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We will find pornography
pictures of sexual acts,

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and everything is open and clear.

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Not much common sense

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to find out what the actual deal is.

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The amount is fair
the tip of the iceberg.

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This is a crime that occurs
against children

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in every environment, in every place
cities and states in this country.

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I think I like that other person
heard about it for the first time.

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There is that distrust.

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There's no way this is true,

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because this is the United States.

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This is very profitable,

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just as horrible as saying, business.

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This is the economy.

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You are a drug dealer,
You can sell medicine once.

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You are a human trader,

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You can sell small children
repeatedly.

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A lot of underage data
trade is very difficult

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And there are numbers everywhere.

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We think it's around 100,000 marks.

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Twelve to fifteen percent of the children we serve

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are victims of human trafficking.

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There are estimates out there
1.6 million homeless children

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going out on the road at a certain time.

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You can speak
about 100, 150,000 children

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who have been victims of
human trafficking

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Our children are not seen.
The amount can be even higher.

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These children, who
Once seen on the corner,

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now fast, efficient,
and anonymously sold online.

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Wherever you look, you cut it,

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very large numbers

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And the request is very large.

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The majority of children
we see are traded online

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has been traded in Backpage.

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Throughout the country in Seattle,
at almost the same time,

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Nacole is very trying
look for her own daughter, J.S.,

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who is 15 years old

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Forty-five days into it,
I got a call from him.

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It was my birthday.

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He called to tell me he loved me.

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This is rather vague.
I just...

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shock.
I can't
believe what happened

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My first instinct as a father,
You want to go out and see.

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You feel out of control.

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Desperate.

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I go out and start
looking every day

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I get angry and angry.

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I can't stop the tape
In my mind,...

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I can't stop thinking about what
might happen to him.

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I was really scared of him
and I was determined to find it.

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He told us that he was injured,

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that he is not a good child,

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he is not a good person,

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and that we don't want it.

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You don't know whether
he is alive or dead,

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You don't know what happened to him.

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I go to every bad thing
environment and I go to the motel.

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I investigate where I think
they can have it

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That's very difficult.

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I remember a detective named
A few moments after the 45 day mark

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and request dental records,

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and you can only assume

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that they try to identify the body.

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Every day continues,
I become more angry.

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Then I go to the liquor store

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I grabbed a bottle,
and I started drinking.

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And that's how I handle it.

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He began to advocate,
and do advocacy work.

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And pray.

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I'm just the opposite.
I am angry.

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I want to hurt a pimp.
That's what I want to do.

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I want to get even.

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In September 2010,

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a few months after filing a lawsuit,

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Kubiiki's lawyer, Robert Pedroli,

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accept
phone calls from Village Voice Media,

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parent company Backpage.

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They contact me to feel me out,

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and to tell me what
Their great people,

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and how the founder is actually
Cool guy from Greenwich Village,

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and what I know about that

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Conversations rocking
to, you know,

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"What are you looking for?
You are looking for a little solution?

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" We might be able to
to make you a little settlement

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to help the girl come out. "

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And I told him," I doubt it will work. "

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It's not about money,
it's just about anger We want to prevent it
from doing what they do

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by having a decision
given to them

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I don't even recognize it. choppy

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He wears different clothes.

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On the way home he told us about it
he had been raped and sold.

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As bad as missing,

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it's very traumatic
hear these words come

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of your 15-year-old child.

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That is very devastating.

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It takes a long time to realize

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that I am innocent
for what happened to me

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I don't think everyone
lives a life thinking

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about the child sex trade in the United States.

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I know I didn't do it
until it happened to my family.

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I always believe it is something
That happens in foreign countries.

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You hear it on the news.

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But to find out about that
happened in the backyard of my own house

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and that can happen
for the most normal family

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and the most normal children,

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and how fast it can happen.

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That's when I decided
to fight

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And in the last few weeks, we have been reported at increasing pressure  by law enforcement officials
and the anti-sex trade group

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so that Backpage is turned off
the adult service section,

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which part
the authorities say is underage

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Girls are sometimes sold for sex.

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In October 2010,
Craigslist closed its adult part

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and the number of sex ads
in Backpage skyrocketed.

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Backpage offers to meet

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with the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children,

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or NCMEC,

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to discuss this problem
child trafficking.

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Well, there is a period of years

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where is the NCMEC representative
and the Backpage

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representative  meet often enough.

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We want to suggest
that they can improve the site

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and try to get rid of human trafficking.

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Backpage will always
ask us what else they can do,

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always in discussion
explore that choice with us.

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One of the Backpage
solutions is to employ a moderator.

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Their plan is to review
every sex ad, every adult ad,

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to filter potential illegality.

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We have a list of the words we went through

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it's not supposed to be
to be used in advertisements.

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Moderation and prohibited rules
the term list often changes.

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On an average day of eight hours,

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I will go through seven
for eight hundred ads.

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Many times, I feel like we
fly with the seat of our pants.

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on St. Louis,

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The Kubiiki case against Backpage
was finally decided,

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eighteen months
after that is first submitted.

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Backpage argues that Kubiiki & apos; s
cases must be terminated

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based on Section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act, or CDA,

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a law passed
by Congress in 1996.

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CDA, put in place when
Internet has just begun,

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protect websites
are demanded for content

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that may be posted by a third party.

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Some courts have decided this
immunity also includes illegal content.

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I am very aware of its immunity
made by Congressunder Section 230,

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although not yet applied
against cases of sexual trafficking.

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The law only says,
as the website operator,

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I am not responsible as the publisher of

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from what people wake up
on my site

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We argue, even if it's true, we don't sue you  which facilitates prostitution.

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We think anyone can understand this.

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We lost this case,

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and that is because of the
Communications Act Act.

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Judge determines this matter
United States policy

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He was torn apart.

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At the same time Backpage
wins his case on St. Louis,

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Nacole takes steps
file his own lawsuit

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against Backpage in Seattle.

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I know there is already
a trial in Missouri,

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so I thought first
to contact the lawyer

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and see how it goes there.

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He will not appeal this case.

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He said that I should try
contact a different lawyer.

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At that time,
I took out the telephone book

255
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and I started to contact a lawyer.

256
00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:28,688
I was rejected by some people.

257
00:16:29,256 --> 00:16:31,058
They say it's too big.

258
00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,327
I believe they might be afraid of
with what happened in Missouri.

259
00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:36,263
Do not want to accept it.

260
00:16:41,801 --> 00:16:44,037
When I first arrived at the Erik office,

261
00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:46,773
This is small, small,
Things that look like home.

262
00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:50,243
I remember walking in and I sat on it,
like, a little side of the chair,

263
00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:52,312
and my mother is nervous.

264
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,147
And I think,

265
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:59,052
"Hmm, what kind of lawyers operate

266
00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:02,455
from what looks like a house
turns into a law office?"

267
00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:05,292
What is Erik's first impression?

268
00:17:06,326 --> 00:17:07,294
He is short.

269
00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:15,335
Everyone thinks and tells me
that we will lose,

270
00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:17,070
99 to 1, we will lose

271
00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:18,638
He doesn't just think of it as an answer.

272
00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:21,508
Well, at first I thought,
this can't be overcome

273
00:17:21,608 --> 00:17:24,244
And I just don't agree with them, completely  How is it legal?  made by the company
millions of dollars annually  help pimps sell
victims of sex trafficking,

274
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including children.

275
00:17:27,847 --> 00:17:31,551
Why does Congress permit immunity

276
00:17:31,651 --> 00:17:35,722
to a moving company
in doing this?

277
00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:37,190
And he said, "Let's do this.

278
00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:39,659


279
00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,362


280
00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:43,630


281
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:45,632
Let's stop Backpage
for what they have done to you. "

282
00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:47,834
And he's on the ship from day one.

283
00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:52,405
He's really out of seventh grade,

284
00:17:52,505 --> 00:17:55,342
and he's been traded for a long time.

285
00:17:55,475 --> 00:17:56,643
And it's very heavy. with more than 20 adults every day,

286
00:17:57,977 --> 00:18:03,483
has these seventh graders

287
00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:06,153
according to their wishes

288
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:07,387
And that happens.
And it's real.

289
00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:09,822
Of the children we serve,

290
00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:11,658
Nearly half of them meet
their exploit online

291
00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:15,295
They use the famous

292
00:18:15,395 --> 00:18:16,729
and sophisticated recruitment
and treatment tactics.

293
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:19,432
Love, charm, and violence. by violence.

294
00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:29,176
They will have scouts.

295
00:18:29,409 --> 00:18:32,279
Maybe at the mall.

296
00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:34,347


297
00:18:34,581 --> 00:18:36,716


298
00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:39,719
Fast food places like
Burger King and McDonald's

299
00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:41,621
If they see low self-esteem,

300
00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:43,156
or they hold their heads

301
00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,158
they are running, and they don't
make eye contact,

302
00:18:45,258 --> 00:18:47,227
That's what they are after.

303
00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:49,662
Frankly what we see most often is seduction

304
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:52,265
You use seduction, you use love.

305
00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:53,600
Are you...

306
00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:55,835
I will not say love,
but I use seduction

307
00:18:56,936 --> 00:18:58,405
Until he feels like
This person is all over the world.

308
00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,640
The easiest way to control these girls is

309
00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:02,275
through the use of narcotics.

310
00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:05,178
And what we see
is meth and heroin

311
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What they call rope.

312
00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,749
We usually see recruitment
The process occurs at the methadone clinic.

313
00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:11,851
We see economic instability,

314
00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,453
we see housing instability.

315
00:19:13,553 --> 00:19:15,288
What did you tell him to watch out for?

316
00:19:16,356 --> 00:19:20,159
A man who talks about him
will solve all your problems

317
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,629
Who in the world can do that?

318
00:19:24,464 --> 00:19:25,865
For many people selling sex,

319
00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,535
very often that's the most annoying

320
00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:30,670
of many shittier choices.

321
00:19:31,438 --> 00:19:34,207
How much money does this woman make?

322
00:19:34,407 --> 00:19:36,543
- How much did you make?
- Not their money, it's mine.

323
00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:40,179
I generate an undetermined amount of money

324
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,414
That's not their money.

325
00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:46,853
Don't play with my money.

326
00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:50,823
Ever.

327
00:19:52,158 --> 00:19:54,361
When you step back and
you see dynamics,

328
00:19:54,727 --> 00:19:58,531
This is no less
than modern slavery.

329
00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,433
You are just a product

330
00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:03,836
Backpage is Walmart
human trafficking

331
00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:05,872
This is a public square.

332
00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:16,683
Turn it off!
Turn it off!

333
00:20:16,816 --> 00:20:20,487
Turn it off!
Turn it off!
Turn it off!

334
00:20:20,987 --> 00:20:22,989
In the spring of 2012,

335
00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:25,725
some anti-trafficking groups
start installing

336
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,727
public pressure on Backpage.

337
00:20:31,331 --> 00:20:32,699
My name is Liz McDougall,

338
00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:35,768
and I am here on behalf of
Village Voice Media Holdings,

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340
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:41,908
I did not join Village Voice
and Backpage

341
00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:48,648
and to retain companies to engage
in illegal activities to gain profits.

342
00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:53,353
I come with their commitment that I
have the power and free government

343
00:20:53,453 --> 00:20:56,323
to find out the best way
to combat online trade...

344
00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:59,759
I think the missing hat is that
You are an important part of this problem.

345
00:21:00,527 --> 00:21:03,863
I do not deny that Backpage
is part of the problem, but

346
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:05,465
the problem is the internet.

347
00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,635
You make a profit from this pimp,

348
00:21:08,735 --> 00:21:11,037
put these girls on your site.

349
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:12,939
I have to tell you this is something...

350
00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,707
This is the fourth trial I have,

351
00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:16,709
and I've said this
this afternoon

352
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:19,746
Each of my hearings,
Backpage is mentioned.

353
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:21,548
I want to dialogue with you,

354
00:21:21,648 --> 00:21:22,982
not confrontation
and not an argument...

355
00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:25,352
This is a hearing,
so I question you

356
00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:27,820
Now, we do
more than anyone else  to help in battles...

357
00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:29,356
I want to stop

358
00:21:29,456 --> 00:21:30,723
You are talking about being a native.

359
00:21:30,823 --> 00:21:32,325
You must be transparent and responsible.

360
00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:33,993


361
00:21:34,093 --> 00:21:37,029
If you don't do that, then you are really dishonest.

362
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,666
Do you think about setting up
riding the medicine section

363
00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:41,568
from the Backpage.com site?

364
00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:44,537
I refuse to answer that question.

365
00:21:44,737 --> 00:21:47,374
What about weapons trading
or arms trading section.

366
00:21:47,474 --> 00:21:49,308
I'm sorry, are we here to have sarcastic back and forth,

367
00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:51,010
or want to be exchanged
useful information?

368
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:52,979
So far
has not given us information

369
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,615
on the volume of what
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370
00:21:55,748 --> 00:21:57,817
You have not given us anything
information about your benefits

371
00:21:57,917 --> 00:21:59,519
You wake up and make a statement.

372
00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,821
How to work hearing is
that we ask difficult questions.

373
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:02,889
Yes, that's how it works.

374
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:04,657
You can ask difficult questions,

375
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:07,394
but you have to give me
opportunity to reply completely,

376
00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:08,495
and you have interrupted me twice.

377
00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:10,697
I appreciate it
if you let me answer completely

378
00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:12,899
I mean there is a

379
00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:15,502
protocol  with National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children.

380
00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,370
We are actually very proud.

381
00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:20,407
We have been praised by the organization,

382
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:22,375
CEO of that organization,

383
00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:25,978
for 2600 reports that we have made.

384
00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:30,683
NCMEC has a slightly different view
from its interaction with Backpage.

385
00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:36,022
My impression is that
is more interested in using

386
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,662
It becomes clear to us at NCMEC

387
00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:46,098
it's possible that Backpage
won't adopt

388
00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:48,501
one of the actions we recommend

389
00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:51,471
Discussion with Carl Ferrer,
CEO Backpage,

390
00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,607
Often surrounding facts
that the moderator

391
00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:56,676
is making a report about ads

392
00:22:56,776 --> 00:22:59,912
which is described as possible
children exploited

393
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,049
I see an advertisement for a young woman

394
00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:06,486
It seems like he can do it
have been 14 or 15 at least once a week.

395
00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:10,156
And we will ask repeatedly,
"Why is the ad still online?"

396
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:16,429
There are so many
activities that people do

397
00:23:16,529 --> 00:23:19,566
to try to mobilize
a response to Backpage.

398
00:23:19,666 --> 00:23:21,834
Good night all.
this
ten o'clock in the morning on the East Coast,

399
00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:24,771
and we start tonight with Keeping Them
Honest on the internet corner

400
00:23:24,871 --> 00:23:26,773
it was charged
a market for pimping

401
00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:29,676
to sell prostitution
and exploit young women.

402
00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:33,780
Fifty-one attorneys general in the United States want to be turned off.

403
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,816
So do 19 US senators,
600 religious leaders,

404
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,919
and almost a quarter of a million people
who signed the petition

405
00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:42,421
Pressure on the website
has been built for months.

406
00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:45,157
We do everything
to inhibit prostitution,

407
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:49,962
to block exploitation
women, children, sex trade.

408
00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:54,467
The internet is, unfortunately,
the vehicle for this

409
00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:56,569
We try to be sheriffs.

410
00:23:56,803 --> 00:23:59,839
If you see your daughter
in this case, like this, what...

411
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,140
I will be horrified,

412
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,910
and I'm horrified for those mothers,

413
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:07,647
and my heart goes to them
mother and daughter.

414
00:24:07,747 --> 00:24:11,784
I want to know how he feels
who should be responsible

415
00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:13,085
So, if it's his child,

416
00:24:13,185 --> 00:24:15,154
Who do you think should be responsible?

417
00:24:15,254 --> 00:24:17,189
If that's the case
your child's photo you saw?

418
00:24:18,057 --> 00:24:20,026
He puts the same information out there,

419
00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:22,729
Gathering salaries, and
somehow sleeping at night.

420
00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:23,963
And I don't know how he did it.

421
00:24:23,996 --> 00:24:27,667
I just want to shake it
and make it understand.

422
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,770
But I know maybe the
and dollar coins might fall.

423
00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:35,542
We are here to sue
the end of the sex trade

424
00:24:35,642 --> 00:24:37,009
and we will not leave.

425
00:24:37,176 --> 00:24:40,046
Voice of the Village has a strong reputation,

426
00:24:40,146 --> 00:24:41,914
You know, because of eradicating corruption,

427
00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:44,717
and for them now to do this,

428
00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,654
and in some ways
promote sex trafficking

429
00:24:47,754 --> 00:24:53,492
because you allowed this ad
What happened was unfortunate.

430
00:24:56,162 --> 00:25:01,534
Sound plays a role in New York
City journalism is unequaled.

431
00:25:01,768 --> 00:25:06,105
Everyone on the left in New York reads
It is the Bible about a movement.

432
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,842
As the press should be, this is part of our
_ mandate to feed politicians

433
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:11,143
and check their strength.

434
00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:12,879
That's what we have to do.

435
00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:17,016
That is paper handled
the problem you care about

436
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437
00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,622
Not enough until recently, I have to say it.

438
00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:29,095
In 2005, the Village Voice
was sold to the New Times based in Phoenix,

439
00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:31,948
alternative newspapers
chain co-founded

440
00:25:31,949 --> 00:25:34,701
by Michael Lacey and
owned by Jim Larkin.

441
00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:40,607
The New Times, like The Village Voice,
has a progressive tradition,

442
00:25:40,707 --> 00:25:42,775
anti-formation report

443
00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:45,878
I call them cowboys from Phoenix.

444
00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:48,715
But I don't understand how they
business operations succeed

445
00:25:48,815 --> 00:25:51,550
When we study Backpage, it is on the Internet.

446
00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:54,053
It's not something we can
see, it's not in the paper.

447
00:25:55,254 --> 00:25:58,024
Incoming income
really from the book

448
00:25:58,124 --> 00:25:59,759
in terms of what we can see.

449
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:03,830
We always have personal advertisements
and display ads

450
00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:05,164
which is a massage parlor.

451
00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:08,300
Some of them are for prostitutes,

452
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,771
But many of them only people
offer invitations to sex.

453
00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:15,875
Adults and their sexual practices
and preferences are one thing.

454
00:26:16,342 --> 00:26:18,244
When we find out about Backpage,

455
00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:20,246
There is something else
fully happening there

456
00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:23,015
Real people, apparently,
young girls trade

457
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:26,352
Immediately, Lacey and her people

458
00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:29,656
start talking about how they
believe in prostitution

459
00:26:32,191 --> 00:26:34,994
The owner of Backpage can
talk about this all day

460
00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:36,295
That is freedom of speech.

461
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:39,932
They seek journalism
cover what they do

462
00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:44,170
But it's illegal
sell children for sex.

463
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:45,104
Period.

464
00:26:45,872 --> 00:26:47,306
This is child abuse.

465
00:26:47,774 --> 00:26:49,976
My father, Norman Mailer,

466
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,845
is one of three people who started this writing.

467
00:26:53,746 --> 00:26:56,015
And this is very difficult for me
to get here today

468
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:59,018
because I always love
Voice of the Village.

469
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,821
So, for the owner
Desa Suara Media,

470
00:27:03,723 --> 00:27:07,126
You hold an inheritance from
this article is in your hands

471
00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:10,329
Please do the right thing.

472
00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:12,064
Take it.

473
00:27:16,335 --> 00:27:18,671
In the same month in Seattle,

474
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:22,041
Nacole starts a telephone
campaign to his state senator

475
00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:25,011
on behalf of Senate Bill 6251,

476
00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:29,348
who will need a website for
get age verification for sex ads.

477
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:35,154
The aim is to make sure children
are not advertised online

478
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:42,194
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479
00:27:42,294 --> 00:27:44,663
I hear you say
about the First Amendment,

480
00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:48,835
and I ask "who
Sound we protect?"

481
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,838
Do you protect the website
it makes millions?

482
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:56,142
These girls need sound and I
ask that you become his voice

483
00:27:57,209 --> 00:28:00,679
Washington State is enacted
a first law of its kind

484
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:04,116
because of the many reports
we have underage girls

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486
00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:10,723
And when the bill passes,
I'm very proud of

487
00:28:10,957 --> 00:28:13,259
I am proud of the state of Washington.

488
00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:18,397
Backpage.com is making something like $ 30 million a year.

489
00:28:18,931 --> 00:28:20,800
They will retreat.

490
00:28:22,969 --> 00:28:24,136
But let them push.

491
00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:31,043
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492
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:34,213
Washington State issues a law
It will take effect today

493
00:28:34,313 --> 00:28:37,249
it will require Backpage
to verify age

494
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,485
people advertise in the
section of adult services

495
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:44,023
This is designed to prevent children
from being advertised online

496
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:45,689
That's something that
we've explored

497
00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:47,327
for months and
continue to explore.

498
00:28:47,426 --> 00:28:48,995
When you talk
about internet...

499
00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:50,496
What does it mean,
"continue to explore"?

500
00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:52,832
You've been doing business
for a very long time

501
00:28:52,932 --> 00:28:55,802
There are many people who
you want you to do this before.

502
00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,270
This is not the first time you have done it
ever considered this idea

503
00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:00,873
So why can't just say,
"Yes, we will do this"?

504
00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:03,109
This will cost money, but if so
that's the right thing to do.

505
00:29:03,209 --> 00:29:04,743
Money is not a problem.

506
00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:07,113
The problem is how are you
functionally applying this

507
00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:10,382
If you have knowledge and
understanding of how the internet works,

508
00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:13,920
This is a practical impossibility
in the internet world.

509
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,323
Now, I'm definitely not the internet
Experts, but I'm not an idiot.

510
00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,992
Obviously for me, it seems
this is a matter of money

511
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:24,130
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00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:26,776
will do everything
in their power to

513
00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:29,201
make sure that this bill is not signed

514
00:29:29,936 --> 00:29:32,691
Backpage argues that Senate Bill 6251

515
00:29:32,693 --> 00:29:35,809
will violate Section 230 of CDA.

516
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:40,112
That they are not responsible
for third party posts.

517
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:43,983
The court agrees, and the bill dies.

518
00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:02,835
♪ There is a woman ♪

519
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:05,204
♪ A woman like ♪

520
00:30:05,304 --> 00:30:09,108
♪ With perfect etiquette ♪

521
00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:14,313
♪ He can cook eight dishes ♪

522
00:30:14,413 --> 00:30:19,318
♪ And never sweat ♪

523
00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:25,124
♪ Good luck to you
God's blessing for you ♪

524
00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:28,460
Mama!
Mother!

525
00:30:30,596 --> 00:30:33,399
I want to blame myself
for drinking my father,

526
00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:35,902
for my mother to cry all the time

527
00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:37,136
and emotional disturbances.

528
00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:39,768
There is no handbook to tell you

529
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:40,840
what happens when your daughter is raped,

530
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:42,508
and all this happens.

531
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:45,878
I also want to blame myself
for the man who has taken me

532
00:30:45,978 --> 00:30:48,047
You know, I want to do it
blame myself for that

533
00:30:49,048 --> 00:30:52,184
You walk around the house with
800 pounds of elephants in the room

534
00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:53,385
no one talks about it

535
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,556
All the time my daughter
trauma is imagined.

536
00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:59,391
And we have experienced trauma.

537
00:30:59,491 --> 00:31:01,027
We don't know how to handle it.

538
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,929
And we don't know
how to help it overcome it

539
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,364
I just tried to hold it together
as well as possible.

540
00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:10,869
Try wrapping my head
around how you take children

541
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:13,372
That is a soccer star, violinist,

542
00:31:13,672 --> 00:31:17,476
and 36 hours later,
he is being sold on the

543
00:31:17,643 --> 00:31:22,181
website  My favorite hobby
is soccer and violin.

544
00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:24,951
My favorite song is
Crank That by Soulja Boy.

545
00:31:25,684 --> 00:31:28,587
When I grow up, I want to be a doctor.

546
00:31:31,057 --> 00:31:34,026
There is something missing
a piece of his soul is lost.

547
00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:40,266
In September 2012,

548
00:31:40,366 --> 00:31:43,435
Village Voice Owners,
Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin

549
00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,939
decide to turn off Backpage
to a separate company.

550
00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:51,443
They leave The Village Voice, but
choose to stay with Backpage.

551
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:54,947
They can't just leave
of real money

552
00:31:56,548 --> 00:31:58,384
These are the people who have
present themselves to us like,

553
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,353
"We are very concerned about journalism.
We are very concerned about the news."

554
00:32:02,321 --> 00:32:03,255
And they decided to go with this money

555
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,024
for this really terrible

556
00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:07,293
sex marketing operations
that they are running

557
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:10,062
The fact that
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558
00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:12,431
who have forever tried to say,

559
00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:15,934
"We fight for media rights
and we fight for freedom of speech,"

560
00:32:16,035 --> 00:32:20,539
when they decide to divert
from Village Voice, they say,

561
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:22,074
"We live with Backpage."

562
00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:24,443
Don't say I'm
not in it for money.

563
00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:27,046
Dealing with Lacey and
listening to all this

564
00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:29,248
about how he is
like a hard-nosed journalist.

565
00:32:29,348 --> 00:32:31,217
"We solve many stories,"
things like that,

566
00:32:31,317 --> 00:32:33,085
and then see it go

567
00:32:33,185 --> 00:32:35,521
from one of the most
distinguished the name of the newspaper

568
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,656
in history
20th Century Journalism

569
00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:40,192
to enter sex ads
just looks like,

570
00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:42,594
"wow, man, this world
More chaotic than I thought."

571
00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:48,200
It is also possible to see this,
Really, just in a slightly different way,

572
00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:51,370
which is just as sad, maybe even more sad.

573
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:56,142
It is possible that Mike Lacey
indeed believes in good journalism

574
00:32:56,242 --> 00:33:00,012
and that is why he created it
an alternative newspaper kingdom

575
00:33:00,112 --> 00:33:03,249
But what's really sad in the end,

576
00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:07,253
he prefers to have Backpage
rather than have a real newspaper.

577
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,222
It must be difficult to release it

578
00:33:11,657 --> 00:33:13,392
because you have been running
for a long time, for a decade.

579
00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:18,697
Well, I think
is hard to let go,

580
00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:22,634
but believe me, the person we are doing
is happy to let us let go.

581
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:33,679
At the end of 2012,

582
00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:36,715
public pressure on Backpage
seems to evaporate,

583
00:33:38,284 --> 00:33:42,088
although it continues,
dominates the market for sex ads.

584
00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:47,259
There is a feeling of despair
that starts to be arranged in a little.

585
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,462
And so far
great facilitators exist,

586
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:54,366
we fall short like a field
from where we need to get to.

587
00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:09,681
In March 2013,
The back page file was a

588
00:34:09,781 --> 00:34:12,651
ask the court to
ignore the Nacole case.

589
00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,654
I will not say that I am an expert today,

590
00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:18,056
but one of the problems we face

591
00:34:18,157 --> 00:34:22,761
is Section 230 of the
Communication Decency Law of 1996.

592
00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:24,730
Somewhere in the bill,

593
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:28,066
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594
00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:32,171
The reason Congress applied it
Section 230 in the first place

595
00:34:32,271 --> 00:34:35,107
is because the lawsuit
was submitted by Stratton Oakmont,

596
00:34:35,207 --> 00:34:38,577
boiler room securities operation
was founded by Jordan Belfort,

597
00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:41,213
better known as The Wolf of Wall Street.

598
00:34:41,513 --> 00:34:43,449
- The show continues!
- yes!

599
00:34:45,217 --> 00:34:46,685
This is my house!

600
00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:52,090
They will need damn destroyers
balls to take me out of here

601
00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:53,759
Damn them!

602
00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:58,264
A bulletin board,
with the name Prodigy,

603
00:34:58,364 --> 00:35:00,399
this is the early days
from the internet,

604
00:35:00,499 --> 00:35:03,235
accept a post from
one of its members

605
00:35:03,335 --> 00:35:07,273
which basically says that Belfort,
Axis and people at Stratton Oakmont

606
00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:09,775
manipulate stocks
and that they are criminals.

607
00:35:10,542 --> 00:35:12,678
The court finds that Prodigy is responsible

608
00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:16,282
because of its failure to delete
comments posted about Stratton Oakmont,

609
00:35:16,382 --> 00:35:18,350
and the Belfort firm wins this case.

610
00:35:19,185 --> 00:35:22,654
This decision means that the court,
before the CDA is promulgated,

611
00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:24,590
find that a website can be responsible

612
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:27,426
for third party content
posted on their site.

613
00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:30,329
If Facebook is sued at any time

614
00:35:30,429 --> 00:35:33,532
fifth graders say something
bad about their teacher,

615
00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,667
there will be many
unnecessary lawsuits

616
00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:39,438
And the law creates a safe port

617
00:35:39,538 --> 00:35:43,742
for people who act as
channels for internet content

618
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:48,314
Especially for the benefits
from most websites

619
00:35:48,414 --> 00:35:51,717
that has nothing to do
with illegal content

620
00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:55,754
The most ironic thing is
that posting is correct,

621
00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:59,157
because of Belfort and others
Stratton Oakmont pleaded guilty

622
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:01,293
to manipulate that security.

623
00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:02,661
And who is chasing Belfort?

624
00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:03,729
Well, that will be me.

625
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:12,871
One of the theories we have

626
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,942
is the Backpage, actually,
in conspiracy with pimps,

627
00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:20,512
that posting rules
are not designed to prevent

628
00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,614
or to stop human trafficking,

629
00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:25,784
but actually, designed
to be a guide for pimps

630
00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:31,423
to enable them to design which ads
help them avoid law enforcement.

631
00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:35,694
So instead of saying, "Come here,
and we will sell sex for $ 100,"

632
00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:38,330
This ad will say something more dangerous, like

633
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:42,200
"Face down, lift up,
Come see Tasha, $ 80 special."

634
00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:45,437
There is a whole system of code words

635
00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:47,706
like "fresh" or "off the boat"

636
00:36:47,806 --> 00:36:50,376
which should show
that someone under age

637
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:52,944
Everyone in the industry and who buys

638
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,746
knows exactly what the signal means.

639
00:37:00,786 --> 00:37:03,355
Emojis is a new visual language.

640
00:37:03,489 --> 00:37:05,391
So, roses are not roses,

641
00:37:05,491 --> 00:37:07,993
and umbrellas
have nothing to do with rain

642
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:09,428
That code

643
00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:10,862
You can't have 30 minutes.

644
00:37:11,997 --> 00:37:13,532
However, you could say HH,
which means half an hour.

645
00:37:13,832 --> 00:37:15,667
Without saying it's okay,

646
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:18,770
it's basically known
this code is okay

647
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:21,907
You know, EMU is a new one
a way to get words.

648
00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:25,944
So, the small watermark, "no
umbrella," is permitted

649
00:37:26,044 --> 00:37:27,012
And what does that mean?

650
00:37:27,112 --> 00:37:28,380
There are no condoms

651
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,283
I don't think many of us stop

652
00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:34,486
and think, "This can be
our sister or our brother."

653
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:36,655
That doesn't hit the house for me too much  until I start to realize
that this might be me.

654
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:38,890
Yes.

655
00:37:39,458 --> 00:37:40,359
I drove him to his friend's house

656
00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:02,414
and he must be at home
Right after the mall closes.

657
00:38:02,514 --> 00:38:05,851
I contacted the police,
I contacted the FBI.

658
00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:11,523
I started calling several
numbers in the phone log

659
00:38:11,623 --> 00:38:15,494


660
00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:18,063
and I told two men to tell me

661
00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:23,335
that they get my daughter
the phone number of Backpage.

662
00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:28,807
Our three clients are
about 15 years

663
00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:32,511
when they are first
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664
00:38:32,611 --> 00:38:35,747
We say that they are engaged
in affirmative action

665
00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:39,651
which directly violates
a criminal law,

666
00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:42,988
Law on Protection of Trafficking Victims.

667
00:38:43,455 --> 00:38:45,857
They say they are not responsible

668
00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:48,594
for what people put on their site.

669
00:38:48,994 --> 00:38:50,762
This is much deeper than that.

670
00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,799
What is on their site
affects and hurts,

671
00:38:53,899 --> 00:38:56,568
and trauma to many people.

672
00:38:57,403 --> 00:39:00,338
Currently the
ad involves children posted,

673
00:39:00,472 --> 00:39:04,843
responses from potential customers
start to enter in seconds

674
00:39:04,943 --> 00:39:08,580
Ads will
live until approved,

675
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,017
anywhere from 30 seconds to two hours.

676
00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,886
There are
customers who see the children

677
00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:17,088
before moderation ever happened.

678
00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:22,027
It's easy to use Backpage because
you sit alone at home,

679
00:39:22,127 --> 00:39:25,931
in your own free time, and indeed
is almost like shopping on Amazon.

680
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:29,501
One of our plaintiffs told us,
"People used to order me in Backpage

681
00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,837
as easy as you can order pizza."

682
00:39:32,538 --> 00:39:34,906
I've been addicted to watching porn.

683
00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:36,742
It's like a gateway drug.

684
00:39:37,042 --> 00:39:39,745
Have you ever bought sex from minors?

685
00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,514
No, I agree.

686
00:39:42,814 --> 00:39:44,416
That's what I got arrested.

687
00:39:45,917 --> 00:39:47,819
Because you were arrested,
I suspect your wife knows.

688
00:39:47,919 --> 00:39:49,855
- Yes.
- What about your children?

689
00:39:49,955 --> 00:39:52,591
My youngest child ran
in the bathroom and vomited.

690
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:54,560
In America,

691
00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:57,729
one in seven men

692
00:39:57,829 --> 00:40:02,400
say that they have bought
illegal commercial sex

693
00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:03,635
They are white.
They are married.

694
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:05,871
They live in the suburbs
and they have children.

695
00:40:05,971 --> 00:40:08,640
They are not people you suspect.

696
00:40:09,107 --> 00:40:10,609
I am already from the priests,

697
00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,512
from lawyers to politicians.

698
00:40:13,612 --> 00:40:16,982
Many men buy unconscious sex
the danger they cause

699
00:40:17,148 --> 00:40:22,954
I want that to be clear and known
My daughter, Jane Doe, was raped.

700
00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:41,172
Three of Jane Doe's victims entered
Boston was represented by Ropes & Gray,

701
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:45,877
one of the oldest and most prestigious
law firms in the country.

702
00:40:48,714 --> 00:40:51,950
Our goal is to set the Backpage

703
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:54,920
responsible for what has happened to these children

704
00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:01,827
There are several things
The backpage does it

705
00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:06,532
that allows these pimps more
successfully victims of traffic

706
00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:13,138
Let them
use prepaid credit cards,

707
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:17,609
and to send a telephone number
not as a digit digit

708
00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:19,678
but by spelling a certain number out.

709
00:41:19,778 --> 00:41:24,750
Like 251 it could be T-W-O and then
number five and O-N-E.

710
00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:28,520
And what it does is obstruction
law enforcement capability

711
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:29,655
to track phone numbers

712
00:41:30,656 --> 00:41:31,256
Another thing they do
is to let Bitcoin.

713
00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:39,264
Also, we accused him
Backpage starts a scheme

714
00:41:39,364 --> 00:41:40,899
to deceive law enforcement

715
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:45,236
while they increase their markets
share to become a dominant player.

716
00:41:45,771 --> 00:41:49,007
One of the things they
Is as part of that strategy,

717
00:41:49,107 --> 00:41:51,810
is that they employ general
advisor, Liz McDougall,

718
00:41:51,977 --> 00:41:54,680
to describe themselves as
a moving company

719
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:56,882
in an effort to internet police.

720
00:41:57,148 --> 00:42:00,886
And they employ it to be, in effect, the face of the company.

721
00:42:00,986 --> 00:42:04,255
I met Liz McDougall when I was
Deputy Mayor for New York City,

722
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,693
and he is very beautiful,
and he is very credible.

723
00:42:07,793 --> 00:42:12,163
When he told me all these things
they did to protect children.

724
00:42:12,598 --> 00:42:15,967
I think they call themselves,
"Internet Sheriff."

725
00:42:18,937 --> 00:42:21,873
Well, boy, pleasure is over.

726
00:42:22,307 --> 00:42:24,142
Now, I just got a new iPad

727
00:42:24,242 --> 00:42:25,711
and then I stop and I say,

728
00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:29,180
"I thought I'd buy a 13-year-old child.

729
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,682
" How do you explain this? "

730
00:42:31,216 --> 00:42:33,118
And he looked surprised

731
00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:36,087
when people accuse companies
facilitate human trafficking.

732
00:42:36,187 --> 00:42:37,923
Especially child trafficking.

733
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:40,926
And he, "Oh, me, let me see that.

734
00:42:41,026 --> 00:42:43,662
That's wrong.
Something is wrong.

735
00:42:43,762 --> 00:42:44,896
We will fix it."

736
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:46,865
That's nonsense.

737
00:42:51,837 --> 00:42:53,004
Unfortunately I have to say it

738
00:42:54,139 --> 00:42:56,174
Backpage's legal strategy
has been very effective  This is a mystery to me
Backpage continues to win,

739
00:42:56,274 --> 00:42:59,210
and Backpage continue
win with such a big style.

740
00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:04,182
A very expensive lawyer,

741
00:43:04,282 --> 00:43:07,252
cloaking yourself in
First Amendment and Section 230.

742
00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:13,158
As far as legal strategy,
I think it's brilliant,

743
00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:16,361
Because it has succeeded.

744
00:43:16,461 --> 00:43:17,729
But is that right?
No. That is not true.

745
00:43:17,863 --> 00:43:20,331
In Seattle, an
trial is scheduled in the case of Nacole,

746
00:43:27,105 --> 00:43:29,941
almost two years after that
was originally submitted

747
00:43:30,041 --> 00:43:33,078


748
00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:36,181
Washington Supreme Court

749
00:43:37,749 --> 00:43:41,119
will decide whether Section 230 of
CDA must protect Backpage.

750
00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:45,724
NCMEC, which is no longer entered
discussion with Backpage,

751
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:48,193
short file in
support of the Nacole case,

752
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:51,396
together with Covenant House,
Shared Hope, and others.

753
00:43:52,831 --> 00:43:55,801
Do you have
short archival ambivalence,

754
00:43:55,901 --> 00:43:57,803
remember your history with Backpage?

755
00:43:58,103 --> 00:43:58,970
No.

756
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,155
He reached out for us and asked whether we were willing to help him  Visit www.Fastbet99.club
Trusted Trusted Online Gambling Agent

757
00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,991
This is probably the most important case
that we handle in our legal career.

758
00:44:20,458 --> 00:44:25,997
We see CDA to find out,
You know, how can we overcome this?

759
00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:29,701
There are 300-plus
cases out there going the other way.

760
00:44:29,801 --> 00:44:32,670
Everyone wants to do oral arguments,

761
00:44:39,144 --> 00:44:41,813


762
00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:44,816
That is always the type of cherry
on ice cream there

763
00:44:44,916 --> 00:44:48,253
Initially, I thought it was more experienced
Appellate lawyers had to do it.

764
00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:51,356
Basically I am a street lawyer
when I get there.

765
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:54,692
Erik insisted that
he wanted to refute this case,

766
00:44:54,793 --> 00:44:56,261
and we talk about it.

767
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:57,262
He is stubborn.

768
00:44:58,363 --> 00:45:00,098
A stubborn man.

769
00:45:01,767 --> 00:45:06,037
They finally decided that, you know, I
Can advance and make oral arguments.

770
00:45:19,951 --> 00:45:21,753
I remember being in the courthouse,

771
00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:24,189
and there are people
outside holding the sign

772
00:45:24,289 --> 00:45:27,225
and I think, you know,
how fun having all this support.

773
00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:29,494
I mean, this is the Supreme Court.
I mean, this is very big.

774
00:45:29,594 --> 00:45:30,996
I am trained

775
00:45:31,262 --> 00:45:34,732
Tom and I go alone, and pray.

776
00:45:37,235 --> 00:45:42,073
J.S., S.L., and L.C.
against
Village Voice Media Holdings, LLC.

777
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,009
Hopefully it can please the court,
my name is Jim Grant,

778
00:45:44,109 --> 00:45:45,811
I am here on behalf of the applicants,

779
00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:49,247
Village Voice Media Incorporated,
Backpage.com and New Times Media.

780
00:45:50,715 --> 00:45:52,750
Congress makes clear policies
choices in enacting Part 230 of

781
00:45:54,619 --> 00:45:56,528
Communication Agreement
Act, and the choice

782
00:45:56,529 --> 00:45:58,356
is to preserve free
speech on the internet,

783
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:04,162
Congress decides to provide online services
provider of immunity for their actions

784
00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:06,331
for content posted by third parties.

785
00:46:06,431 --> 00:46:09,067
The point is when
that third party posts are online,

786
00:46:09,167 --> 00:46:10,501
You can't sue a website.

787
00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:13,972
Lawyers for Backpage
do their normal arguments

788
00:46:14,072 --> 00:46:15,807
that they are here to protect children,

789
00:46:15,907 --> 00:46:18,243
and they are protected
under CDA

790
00:46:18,343 --> 00:46:21,512
Your client will not say it
a straight face that is not realized

791
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:24,515
The companion service is really
something else most of the time.

792
00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:25,917
I will say that...

793
00:46:27,986 --> 00:46:31,890
Surely we all know it's haram
things happen through the internet

794
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:35,160
and that has happened
when other things have happened.

795
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,528
Type of protection
given 230,

796
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:41,399
This is a blanket immunity, and this
can feel extreme in some cases.

797
00:46:41,499 --> 00:46:43,935
You know, the more extreme
you take hypothetically,

798
00:46:44,035 --> 00:46:45,070
the more questionable it can be seen.

799
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:48,139
If you make
life from tobacco films

800
00:46:48,539 --> 00:46:52,878
because you pulled it
as your content to your website,

801
00:46:52,978 --> 00:46:54,846
and that's how you
make your money do

802
00:46:54,946 --> 00:46:57,148
It's like a partner
crime, if you want

803
00:46:57,248 --> 00:46:58,416
Hopefully please court.

804
00:47:00,051 --> 00:47:03,488
My name is Erik Bauer, and I represent
small respondents in this matter.

805
00:47:03,588 --> 00:47:06,091
When Erik stands up to argue,
I feel happy.

806
00:47:06,191 --> 00:47:09,260
We have prepared it
for so long, and it's only time.

807
00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:12,330
I've never seen it so
is emotionally involved in a case

808
00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:14,832
This is not the size
building or ad size,

809
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:18,904
it's determination and
passion is put into battle

810
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,207
My client is
in class seven and nine

811
00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:27,278
when they are controlled by adults
professional sex traders, pimps

812
00:47:27,445 --> 00:47:31,016
So why is Backpage responsible?

813
00:47:31,116 --> 00:47:33,451
Backpage claims
that they have immunity

814
00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:37,022
to help pimps
sell children on their site.

815
00:47:37,122 --> 00:47:41,927
Our assessment is, Your Honor, that is
they are responsible, at least in part,

816
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:44,295
for the second creation of this ad

817
00:47:44,395 --> 00:47:46,197
and for the development of these ads.

818
00:47:47,732 --> 00:47:51,069
This post rule called
is on the Backpage.com site,

819
00:47:51,169 --> 00:47:55,573
they are actually instructions for pimping
on how to post successful ads

820
00:47:55,673 --> 00:48:00,145
One of their rules says, Don't advertise
increase in time in 15 minutes.

821
00:48:00,678 --> 00:48:02,147
Hey, it's a bit short.

822
00:48:02,247 --> 00:48:04,950
Where can you escort someone
in 15 minutes?

823
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:07,986
They don't want that to happen
Obviously, there are many red flags.

824
00:48:08,086 --> 00:48:10,355
Backpage says that,
"Legal escort services

825
00:48:10,455 --> 00:48:13,258
and if someone wants to do something
illegal, it's not our fault."

826
00:48:13,358 --> 00:48:14,459
What is your response to that?

827
00:48:15,927 --> 00:48:18,964
This is prostitution in disguise
as a companion, whatever the companion.

828
00:48:19,064 --> 00:48:23,334
I mean, what are these people?
wholesale children

829
00:48:23,434 --> 00:48:26,004
in Washington State or not?

830
00:48:26,104 --> 00:48:27,438
Do they do it on purpose?

831
00:48:28,273 --> 00:48:31,409
And I remember leaving there thinking,

832
00:48:31,509 --> 00:48:34,179
we have this, we get this

833
00:48:34,312 --> 00:48:38,249
It has been like a hard struggle,
because on every occasion they have won.

834
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:40,585
Then we start waiting.

835
00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:55,300
In December 2014, Backpage,
which now operates in 88 countries,

836
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,003
reportedly sold to Dutch companies.

837
00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:04,109
According to a Dallas newspaper,
Backpage CEO, Carl Ferrer,

838
00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:06,177
will continue to run the company.

839
00:49:08,146 --> 00:49:09,981
With a long question list,

840
00:49:10,081 --> 00:49:13,985
we are looking for a Backpage CEO, Carl Ferrer
brings us here

841
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:17,055
Carl Ferrer has refused
some of our interview requests

842
00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:18,623
so we came here to Amsterdam.

843
00:49:18,723 --> 00:49:21,259
- Carl?
Carl Ferrer?
- Yes.

844
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:22,994
Hi, we've been looking for you

845
00:49:23,094 --> 00:49:24,329
- Oh yeah.
- do you have a minute?

846
00:49:24,429 --> 00:49:26,331
I am Gloria Riviera from ABC News.

847
00:49:26,697 --> 00:49:28,399
We just want to ask a few questions.

848
00:49:28,666 --> 00:49:29,967
There are no comments.

849
00:49:31,036 --> 00:49:32,237
You know, law enforcement tells us

850
00:49:33,738 --> 00:49:36,074
underage girls traded
on Backpage.com, your company.

851
00:49:36,174 --> 00:49:37,142
There are no comments.

852
00:49:38,543 --> 00:49:39,744
We see real life
examples of this past week...

853
00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:43,548
It takes a while to realize that I am not a prostitute  I don't like that word.

854
00:49:44,115 --> 00:49:45,316
I'm still small

855
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:47,418
At first I was like,
"Why did I run away?"

856
00:49:48,086 --> 00:49:50,555
The reality is that
children all over America

857
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:54,292
is sneaking out of the house
all the time.

858
00:49:54,392 --> 00:49:56,294
I'm just a child and shouldn't be
No one has done this to me.

859
00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:58,663


860
00:49:59,197 --> 00:50:03,301
Has been traded has caused
my daughter has anger problems

861
00:50:04,269 --> 00:50:06,371
He becomes very closed.

862
00:50:06,471 --> 00:50:08,439
Children at school
find out what happened,

863
00:50:08,539 --> 00:50:10,108
so we go to school at home.

864
00:50:11,476 --> 00:50:14,579
Friends, they call me horrible
names, "prostitutes" and "prostitutes," and...

865
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:18,349
and that is only a lack of
information from their side.

866
00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:21,152
There must be people who feel it's your fault

867
00:50:21,252 --> 00:50:24,589
And that's another reason
why don't you talk about it

868
00:50:25,090 --> 00:50:29,327
And that's why I don't want to speak
about that if I don't need to.

869
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,231
It has been struggling to keep it safe and keep it alive  and to keep him away from life.

870
00:50:33,331 --> 00:50:35,733
He is stuck at my side
when no one else does it.

871
00:50:36,667 --> 00:50:39,704
I lost my virginity and was raped,

872
00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:42,707
and me... I don't know

873
00:50:42,807 --> 00:50:46,577


874
00:50:46,744 --> 00:50:48,646
I definitely see...

875
00:50:51,149 --> 00:50:53,451
Sex is different now, I don't know.

876
00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:58,256
Children in high school are so crazy about
with sex all the time, and I just...

877
00:50:58,523 --> 00:50:59,557
I don't know

878
00:51:00,558 --> 00:51:02,327
I only saw it
is completely different now

879
00:51:02,427 --> 00:51:05,330
That's not everything
everyone will feel it.

880
00:51:06,864 --> 00:51:08,662
I don't want anyone
to go through

881
00:51:08,664 --> 00:51:10,502
what my daughter must go through.

882
00:51:11,702 --> 00:51:14,605
Given the opportunity
to talk with Backpage,

883
00:51:14,705 --> 00:51:19,644
I will tell them that
on April 7, 2010,

884
00:51:19,744 --> 00:51:23,814
they change our family life forever.

885
00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:29,820
We will never be our family
before my daughter is gone,

886
00:51:30,521 --> 00:51:32,523
and before he was sold on the site.

887
00:51:33,491 --> 00:51:38,429
CDA has given them
The most recent in this case,

888
00:51:38,696 --> 00:51:44,235
and I'm here to tell them,
As a parent, I'm not okay with that.

889
00:51:45,403 --> 00:51:49,474
I will only ask the same thing
questions my daughter asks you

890
00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:53,144
What will you do if it is your child?

891
00:52:01,752 --> 00:52:03,888
In April 2015,

892
00:52:03,988 --> 00:52:07,692
The US Senate starts investigating online sex trafficking  Their investigation
takes them to Backpage.

893
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:12,397
The more you hear about this

894
00:52:12,797 --> 00:52:14,599
and increasing incidence of sex trafficking

895
00:52:14,699 --> 00:52:17,268
more and more Backpages appear.

896
00:52:17,702 --> 00:52:19,270
We live in a border country

897
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:21,272
where many of these cross borders
Trade in sex takes place.

898
00:52:21,372 --> 00:52:25,142
So when we say,
"How can this happen?",

899
00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:26,911
we realize this is coming
from ads in Backpage.

900
00:52:27,011 --> 00:52:30,581
We don't deal with prostitution,
we deal with human slavery.

901
00:52:30,681 --> 00:52:33,684


902
00:52:33,784 --> 00:52:36,487
Is Backpage an innocent facilitator

903
00:52:36,587 --> 00:52:39,624
or do they really have a more active role?  in making the type of ad
that is actually being placed?

904
00:52:39,724 --> 00:52:43,361
Do they have clean hands here?

905
00:52:43,794 --> 00:52:45,796
The court said that the Congress
could protect children who were exploited

906
00:53:00,745 --> 00:53:05,583
or can protect the internet.

907
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:07,818
And that's what
chooses to protect the internet.

908
00:53:07,918 --> 00:53:10,655
Now that statement
really pisses me off,

909
00:53:11,656 --> 00:53:15,192
because I don't think
Congress does something like that.

910
00:53:16,294 --> 00:53:18,863
He is frustrated,
because he feels as if

911
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:29,574
The judge does not understand what he is trying to argue.

912
00:53:30,475 --> 00:53:35,946
The fact that Ropes & Gray
The missing is actually revelation

913
00:53:36,547 --> 00:53:40,217
How many court systems
need to be trained

914
00:53:40,318 --> 00:53:42,920
about child sex trade.

915
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:44,655


916
00:53:46,023 --> 00:53:48,459
So, the decision is not
very surprising,

917
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,528
it's very much
disappointing, though

918
00:53:50,628 --> 00:53:51,996
You think he will say, "I already have it"?

919
00:53:52,096 --> 00:53:53,364
Not possible.

920
00:53:53,464 --> 00:53:54,799
- He will never give up.
- He won't give up

921
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:07,878
Net Income for Backpage
reaches the highest level of all time in 2015.

922
00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:11,749
That is, until
Sheriff Tom Dart in Chicago,

923
00:54:11,949 --> 00:54:15,720
frustrated with the number of
victims of sex trafficking he found

924
00:54:16,454 --> 00:54:18,689
decide to take the problem
into his own hands

925
00:54:21,992 --> 00:54:24,695
More and more sex industries

926
00:54:24,929 --> 00:54:27,865
has been moved from
to the internet

927
00:54:27,998 --> 00:54:30,000
We answer ads after ads, after ads,

928
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,371
and we found it
every case, everyone,

929
00:54:33,471 --> 00:54:36,273
Actually, someone who is
is a prostitute herself,

930
00:54:36,374 --> 00:54:37,642
someone who is traded.

931
00:54:38,843 --> 00:54:39,910
We will respond to an advertisement,
That is always a crime.

932
00:54:41,145 --> 00:54:42,580
Crapshoot is whether it is an adult or a small child.

933
00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:46,384
Sheriff realizes that
something that needs to be done

934
00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:49,754
Sheriff Dart sends
to stop and stop writing

935
00:54:49,854 --> 00:54:51,456
to MasterCard and Visa

936
00:54:51,556 --> 00:54:53,458
inform them that
they have done business

937
00:54:53,558 --> 00:54:55,760
with companies involved
in human trafficking.

938
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:59,209
And as a result, both
Visa and Mastercard

939
00:54:59,210 --> 00:55:01,999
stop doing business with Backpage.

940
00:55:03,434 --> 00:55:06,537
Backpage loses all
income from credit card companies,

941
00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:08,706
a temporary blow to his income.

942
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:12,343
Then start offering free adult ads,

943
00:55:12,443 --> 00:55:16,381
with upgrades that must be paid by
personal checks or Bitcoin.

944
00:55:16,947 --> 00:55:19,550
The important thing is that the action is

945
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:21,819
it is a number of Fortune 500 companies

946
00:55:21,919 --> 00:55:25,423
say that business, which they believe
there is illegal action happening

947
00:55:25,523 --> 00:55:26,791
and they will not support it.

948
00:55:26,891 --> 00:55:28,793
Backpage sues Sheriff Dart

949
00:55:28,893 --> 00:55:32,863
claim that his actions are a
_ First Amendment violation.

950
00:55:33,664 --> 00:55:36,401
Now in the
trial and the court will decide

951
00:55:36,501 --> 00:55:37,735
where it will go

952
00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:40,538
He put his neck on the cutting block.

953
00:55:41,706 --> 00:55:43,007
He does what he thinks
right in every way.

954
00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:52,339
Back to Seattle, it's been three years now

955
00:55:52,341 --> 00:55:54,586
since the Nacole case was first filed.

956
00:55:54,985 --> 00:55:58,423
He is waiting for a decision from the Supreme Court of Washington.

957
00:55:59,156 --> 00:56:02,092
Time goes on, and you have
the day you like,

958
00:56:02,192 --> 00:56:04,695
"You know, I don't think this
can go towards us.

959
00:56:05,062 --> 00:56:08,699
You know, the first month passed,
and then the second month passed,

960
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,668
and then the fifth month passes.

961
00:56:10,768 --> 00:56:14,705
And I remember working at
on September 3.

962
00:56:16,774 --> 00:56:18,709
My heart stops.
I'm like...

963
00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:24,081
Limbo is fine,
because we have not won or lost.

964
00:56:24,181 --> 00:56:26,717
And I walked out, and I prayed.

965
00:56:27,552 --> 00:56:29,787
And ten minutes later I got a call...

966
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:34,959
that the court has supported us.

967
00:56:37,728 --> 00:56:40,097
The court decides that
if active Backpage helps

968
00:56:40,197 --> 00:56:42,633
to develop sex ads on the site,

969
00:56:42,733 --> 00:56:44,635
and not just a passive host,

970
00:56:44,735 --> 00:56:48,539
then the Backpage should not be protected by Section 230  Cases are allowed to proceed to court.

971
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,509
I really triggered it.

972
00:56:52,009 --> 00:56:54,612
We wait almost a year
to get that decision,

973
00:56:54,712 --> 00:56:56,814


974
00:56:56,914 --> 00:56:58,949
and that means we can
continue with this case

975
00:56:59,517 --> 00:57:01,185
And I am very grateful.

976
00:57:01,285 --> 00:57:02,953
I almost destroyed my car.

977
00:57:05,856 --> 00:57:08,959
There is a sense of optimism
that progress is being made

978
00:57:09,093 --> 00:57:11,529
and that is not in vain.

979
00:57:11,629 --> 00:57:13,097
There are no losses across the board.

980
00:51:13,197 --> 00:57:16,200
That is a blessing and god
is watching us that day

981
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:17,968
when they make that decision

982
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:24,074
And that is to help those people cannot be helped.

983
00:57:24,241 --> 00:57:26,977
You know, actually we actually have a voice that will do something  I know this will help me and my daughter,

984
00:57:27,077 --> 00:57:29,980
and that will help many other
girls out there,

985
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,050
they don't know what's coming out
until it's too late

986
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:36,086
Difficult, this fight.

987
00:57:36,587 --> 00:57:38,723
They know what they are doing wrong,

988
00:57:38,856 --> 00:57:40,891


989
00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:44,094
and they know the children are
traded on their site,

990
00:57:44,194 --> 00:57:46,463
and they failed to do anything to fix it.

991
00:57:46,564 --> 00:57:48,633
And we will change it.

992
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:56,574
Two months later, on November 3, 2015,

993
00:57:57,908 --> 00:58:01,946
summons of the senate subcommittee
Carl Ferrer, CEO of Backpage,

994
00:58:02,046 --> 00:58:04,915
to testify at the
trial in Washington DC

995
00:58:05,182 --> 00:58:09,920
On the same day, Backpage puts it
from the majority of the moderator,

996
00:58:10,287 --> 00:58:14,124
advise them to call the company
Lawyers if contacted by investigators.

997
00:58:15,125 --> 00:58:18,963
I googled the lawyer and it looked
It seems like he's a criminal lawyer.

998
00:58:19,063 --> 00:58:23,033
This establishes the fact that there is
the underlying situation occurs

999
00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:24,735
it's illegal

1000
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:28,172
- Are you afraid?
- Yes.

1001
00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:32,610
The e-mail is circulated to
Backpage employees are fired

1002
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:35,746
comes from someone named
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1003
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:38,282
But the sign line is not
doesn't really say "Backpage."

1004
00:58:38,916 --> 00:58:40,851
It says, "Website Technologies."

1005
00:58:41,586 --> 00:58:44,054
Texas Search
State Secretary Record

1006
00:58:44,154 --> 00:58:47,892
reveals that the president of
Website Technology for 2015

1007
00:58:47,992 --> 00:58:50,961
is Jim Larkin,
the owner of the original Backpage,

1008
00:58:51,596 --> 00:58:53,764
contrary to the widely held assumption

1009
00:58:53,864 --> 00:58:56,934
that he is no longer active
is involved with Backpage.

1010
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,542
In the same month, Seventh Circuit
Court of Appeal in Chicago

1011
00:59:05,643 --> 00:59:08,746
agree to hear the Backpage
case against Sheriff Dart.

1012
00:59:10,815 --> 00:59:13,584
The problem here is whether Sheriff Dart has been trampled on  First Amendment Rights Backpage

1013
00:59:13,684 --> 00:59:15,686
by sending stops and stops
letters to Visa and MasterCard.

1014
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,724


1015
00:59:20,157 --> 00:59:23,628
Seventh Circuit Court
Appeals hold hearings.

1016
00:59:23,728 --> 00:59:27,164
It was heard by three judges, including Judge Richard Posner.

1017
00:59:27,264 --> 00:59:30,334
Judge Posner might, I think,
be considered one of the highest legal experts

1018
00:59:30,434 --> 00:59:33,003
at least in our generation
or generation.

1019
00:59:33,838 --> 00:59:38,809
Our first case for the
argument is Backpage versus Dart.

1020
00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:40,077
Hopefully please court.

1021
00:59:41,378 --> 00:59:43,213
Sheriff Dart forms an
task force for this specific purpose

1022
00:59:44,682 --> 00:59:47,785
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1023
00:59:48,052 --> 00:59:52,857
You know, there is a police officer
to be very careful in what he says

1024
00:59:53,323 --> 00:59:57,962
Your Honor, the Visa action
was taken from the concern that their brand...

1025
00:59:58,062 --> 01:00:02,833
Look, this tone is very unprofessional  He talks about the violence industry.

1026
01:00:03,167 --> 01:00:05,970
Is sex phone full of violence?

1027
01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:07,938


1028
01:00:08,205 --> 01:00:10,975
- Contents of...
- Is sex phone violence?

1029
01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:12,342
- Could be.
- really

1030
01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:13,811
- Of course you can.
- How?

1031
01:00:13,911 --> 01:00:16,246
And what about parents,

1032
01:00:16,346 --> 01:00:19,884
parents who want
look with young women?

1033
01:00:19,984 --> 01:00:24,922
That is the aspect of companion service.
Not all sex.

1034
01:00:25,255 --> 01:00:27,792
I'm not so sure
Hakim Posner has a strong grip

1035
01:00:27,892 --> 01:00:29,760
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1036
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:32,296
It feels a bit like a dusk zone.

1037
01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:34,298
The part that really annoys me

1038
01:00:34,398 --> 01:00:37,401
is the part where he shows that,

1039
01:00:37,501 --> 01:00:42,673
"Sometimes a man just wants to be seen
in a younger woman company."

1040
01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:45,368
I mean, in my case, I have children

1041
01:00:45,369 --> 01:00:48,045
pose with, you know,
in underwear,

1042
01:00:48,145 --> 01:00:50,214
with the camera handle on the camera.

1043
01:00:50,314 --> 01:00:51,481
I mean, you want to be seen in the company

1044
01:00:51,581 --> 01:00:55,019
with a child dressed inside him
underwear, well, what is that?

1045
01:00:58,222 --> 01:01:01,726
I remember seeing
My little girl in her underwear.

1046
01:01:04,729 --> 01:01:05,963
I see my child...

1047
01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:10,067
in different poses...

1048
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:13,670
Looks like he was sedated.

1049
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,243
When you get the call
your daughter's word is in Backpage,

1050
01:01:19,343 --> 01:01:20,410
what is your reaction

1051
01:01:21,045 --> 01:01:22,379
I fell to the floor.

1052
01:01:23,748 --> 01:01:27,451
I don't know if the owner
website has children,

1053
01:01:28,118 --> 01:01:29,987
but I hope that doesn't happen to them.

1054
01:01:34,058 --> 01:01:36,961
When the CDA
is interpreted by the court

1055
01:01:37,061 --> 01:01:39,396
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1056
01:01:39,496 --> 01:01:41,398
to be involved in the human sex trade,

1057
01:01:41,498 --> 01:01:43,433
then we have a problem
With that law, I think.

1058
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:45,102
Or we have a problem with the judge.

1059
01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:46,937
Either way, we have a problem.

1060
01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:49,840
And if the judge is too blunt

1061
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:51,842
and if they don't get it,

1062
01:01:52,109 --> 01:01:54,311
then I think it is necessary
made clear

1063
01:01:54,411 --> 01:01:57,481
The Congress does not support
human sex trade

1064
01:02:03,253 --> 01:02:06,891
Two weeks later, a senate
subcommittee convenes

1065
01:02:06,991 --> 01:02:09,860
about the child sex trade in Washington DC  This trial will now be ordered.

1066
01:02:12,362 --> 01:02:13,964
In the bipartisan staff report
released today,

1067
01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:17,935
we have explained
some initial findings

1068
01:02:18,202 --> 01:02:20,004
and further questions that require answers.

1069
01:02:20,104 --> 01:02:21,806
The report reveals that Backpage has it

1070
01:02:23,473 --> 01:02:24,859
an editing practice
some ads

1071
01:02:24,861 --> 01:02:26,377
by deleting words and images
before being published

1072
01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:29,379
This editing practice may occur
serves to hide evidence

1073
01:02:29,479 --> 01:02:32,482


1074
01:02:32,582 --> 01:02:35,152
of illegality
from the underlying transaction.

1075
01:02:35,252 --> 01:02:37,822
National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children

1076
01:02:37,922 --> 01:02:41,091
reported an increase of 846 percent

1077
01:02:41,191 --> 01:02:43,928
in the alleged report
child sex trade

1078
01:02:44,028 --> 01:02:47,197
According to an industry analyst,
eight out of every $ 10 is spent

1079
01:02:47,297 --> 01:02:49,900
about commercial sex online
advertise in the United States

1080
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,968
go to Backpage.

1081
01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:53,070
Fair market value of the company,

1082
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:56,173
consider
lack of marketing,

1083
01:02:56,273 --> 01:02:58,909
around 430 million.

1084
01:02:59,343 --> 01:03:02,913
We are here to talk about
profitable sales online

1085
01:03:03,013 --> 01:03:05,049
American children for sex,

1086
01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:08,218
which in our experience
occurs most prominently

1087
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1088
01:03:10,354 --> 01:03:12,189
Can you explain your testimony

1089
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:16,126
that there are more rigorous posts
Rules for selling motorbikes

1090
01:03:16,226 --> 01:03:17,494
rather than selling 12 years?

1091
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:21,131
I really don't have an explanation
For that, Senator.

1092
01:03:21,231 --> 01:03:24,301
The main lawyer Backpage has
describing the moderation process

1093
01:03:24,401 --> 01:03:27,571
as a key tool for disrupting and finally ending human trafficking.

1094
01:03:28,172 --> 01:03:31,275
Backpage was initially told
the moderator outside

1095
01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:34,444
that they must "fail"

1096
01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:38,849
ads that contain references to
certain sex and words,

1097
01:03:39,083 --> 01:03:44,588
includes "girls," "teenagers,"

1098
01:03:44,688 --> 01:03:49,426
and "Y-U-N-G."

1099
01:03:50,427 --> 01:03:53,463
Two days later,
Backpage reverses the policy.

1100
01:03:53,998 --> 01:03:57,601
What's important, the guide from Backpage
Emphasized in all uppercase letters,

1101
01:03:58,235 --> 01:04:00,204
"If in doubt about underage,

1102
01:04:00,404 --> 01:04:03,540
the process must now be done
to receive ads

1103
01:04:04,141 --> 01:04:09,579
Only delete if you really
People who are very confident are underage."

1104
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,181
It is on all caps.

1105
01:04:12,416 --> 01:04:15,319
I want to contact the CEO of
from Backpage, Carl Ferrer.

1106
01:04:27,097 --> 01:04:28,465
We hope Mr. Ferrer is here.

1107
01:04:29,066 --> 01:04:30,234
He just doesn't appear.

1108
01:04:30,334 --> 01:04:32,136
Certainly not something
that you don't display.

1109
01:04:32,236 --> 01:04:34,604
Absolute ignores not to appear.

1110
01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:37,908
Chairman, I have been a member of
from this subcommittee for many years.

1111
01:04:38,008 --> 01:04:42,312
I never knew a witness
refused a court call

1112
01:04:42,412 --> 01:04:44,414
And I'm sure you will do it

1113
01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:51,255
take necessary actions to ensure that it is not done with impunity.

1114
01:04:51,355 --> 01:04:54,291
He called me and said, "You won't believe me." I said, "I saw it".

1115
01:04:54,391 --> 01:04:56,393
I've never seen anything like this.

1116
01:04:56,526 --> 01:05:01,298
I have never seen a witness reject
to appear in a court call.

1117
01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:02,666
Backpage, at every opportunity,

1118
01:05:02,766 --> 01:05:04,901
have tried to protect anyone

1119
01:05:05,002 --> 01:05:07,104
from getting
information behind the screen.

1120
01:05:07,204 --> 01:05:08,172
What do they hide?

1121
01:05:09,506 --> 01:05:11,575
I think we will find it
they have tipped the scale

1122
01:05:11,675 --> 01:05:13,577
towards acceptance of ads

1123
01:05:13,677 --> 01:05:17,681
which is clearly designed
to get customers

1124
01:05:17,781 --> 01:05:21,918
who want to have sex with
children, to explain it clearly.

1125
01:05:22,019 --> 01:05:24,554
We want to find out, you know,
how they do business,

1126
01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:26,490
whether they are editing
their ads or not

1127
01:05:26,590 --> 01:05:28,525
They refuse to participate.

1128
01:05:28,625 --> 01:05:31,295
Not just a problem
human trafficking,

1129
01:05:31,461 --> 01:05:36,100
But this is a direct attack,
The failure to appear,

1130
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,702
in constitutional
responsibility

1131
01:05:38,802 --> 01:05:40,570
United States Congress.

1132
01:05:42,106 --> 01:05:46,043
It is very unusual for someone to say,
"No, I will not show up."

1133
01:05:46,310 --> 01:05:49,246
And with that,
this hearing is delayed

1134
01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:59,389
Seventh Circuit decides that,
Such government pressure

1135
01:05:59,489 --> 01:06:02,426
to the website with
the purpose of censorship,

1136
01:06:02,526 --> 01:06:03,994
violates the First Amendment.

1137
01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:06,563
"Also not a Sheriff Dart..."

1138
01:06:06,663 --> 01:06:10,034
"... on solid ground in
shows that everything..."

1139
01:06:10,134 --> 01:06:13,437
"... everything in the adult section
The Backpage website is criminal."

1140
01:06:13,537 --> 01:06:15,505
"Fetishism? Call sex?"

1141
01:06:15,605 --> 01:06:17,307
"Performances by striptease artists?"

1142
01:06:17,407 --> 01:06:19,276
"Vulgar is not violent."

1143
01:06:19,376 --> 01:06:20,610
"Vulgar is not violent."

1144
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:22,146
"Vulgar is not violent."

1145
01:06:23,347 --> 01:06:25,182
One ad in this category,
& apos; Dom and fetish... & apos; "

1146
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:28,618
"... is for services
from & apos; professional dominatrix & apos; "

1147
01:06:28,718 --> 01:06:30,754
" A woman who is being
is paid for whipping or vice versa... "

1148
01:06:30,854 --> 01:06:35,292
"... embarrass customers in
to arouse them sexually."

1149
01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:39,396
"It's not clear like that
do harm women or children..."

1150
01:06:39,496 --> 01:06:40,764
"... or violating any law."

1151
01:06:41,698 --> 01:06:42,699
Interesting.

1152
01:06:44,068 --> 01:06:47,771
To read something like that,
Frankly, it worries me.

1153
01:06:47,871 --> 01:06:53,610
I think it's read like
a cheap and dim novel.

1154
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:57,414
This victim is dominated by
women, underage girls

1155
01:06:57,814 --> 01:07:01,285
And I wonder if some are missing

1156
01:07:01,385 --> 01:07:04,554
when the issue is happening
is decided by a male judge.

1157
01:07:04,654 --> 01:07:07,257
The court is completely unknown

1158
01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:09,293
with the crime of child trafficking

1159
01:07:09,393 --> 01:07:12,196
and with some ads
posted on Backpage.

1160
01:07:12,462 --> 01:07:15,031
In the case of advertising
for trafficking people,

1161
01:07:15,132 --> 01:07:17,167
I mean, it's not so
freedom of speech,

1162
01:07:17,267 --> 01:07:18,568
You know, it's criminal activity.

1163
01:07:20,104 --> 01:07:23,140
You know, Pretty Woman.
I have to take a Pretty Wom item  We have created this kind of
myth in our culture

1164
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,542
From you know, Julia
Roberts is in Pretty Woman.

1165
01:07:25,642 --> 01:07:27,711
And the reality is far, far different.

1166
01:07:30,314 --> 01:07:33,283
Can't watch it

1167
01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:34,351
Can't watch it
Love the movie.

1168
01:07:35,685 --> 01:07:38,288
Because Pretty Woman
is not a scenario

1169
01:07:39,656 --> 01:07:42,492
What we have done
before or after the lawsuit

1170
01:07:42,626 --> 01:07:45,162
go out and we try to get people
who is trafficking in children

1171
01:07:45,262 --> 01:07:49,833
This is a very difficult thing
do because of its nature.

1172
01:07:49,933 --> 01:07:53,103
In Boston, John Montgomery
prepared his case, Doe versus Backpage,

1173
01:07:58,642 --> 01:08:03,680
hoping to convince the first
Circuit of the Court of Appeal

1174
01:08:04,214 --> 01:08:06,783
Section 230 should not
apply to protect Backpage.

1175
01:08:06,883 --> 01:08:11,488


1176
01:08:14,791 --> 01:08:17,794
Hopefully please court.
My name is John Montgomery

1177
01:08:17,894 --> 01:08:22,599
What are the charges, exactly,
Unauthorized activity by Backpage?

1178
01:08:22,699 --> 01:08:25,369
It operates an online market

1179
01:08:25,802 --> 01:08:28,838
who then trains the traders

1180
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:31,608
who will go
get involved in that activity

1181
01:08:31,808 --> 01:08:36,346
This is a very important case
The three young women we represent

1182
01:08:36,446 --> 01:08:39,849
and many others,
As a result, they represent.

1183
01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:42,419
There are only a few cases,
Maybe two or three,

1184
01:08:42,686 --> 01:08:46,690
where internet service providers
allegedly have participated

1185
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:48,192
in federal crime.

1186
01:08:51,695 --> 01:08:54,264
Getting there at 9:00 will be great.

1187
01:08:54,364 --> 01:08:57,401
Because it allows us at that time
type to walk back and forth

1188
01:08:57,501 --> 01:08:59,603
in front of the courthouse nervously.

1189
01:09:03,507 --> 01:09:05,709
On January 6, 2016

1190
01:09:05,875 --> 01:09:10,880
First Circuit Court in Boston hears
oral arguments on Doe versus Backpage.

1191
01:09:11,715 --> 01:09:15,919
Amazingly, Judge David Souter,
previously a Supreme Judge,

1192
01:09:16,353 --> 01:09:18,622
will be one of three judges
hear the case

1193
01:09:19,723 --> 01:09:20,724
Mr. Montgomery, just go ahead.

1194
01:09:21,391 --> 01:09:23,893
Our main claim is the Backpage

1195
01:09:23,993 --> 01:09:27,297
involved in
intentional criminal actions.

1196
01:09:29,566 --> 01:09:32,336
They intend to go further
the sex trade trade.

1197
01:09:32,836 --> 01:09:35,772
Are your complaints coming in?
The next step tells the truth,

1198
01:09:35,872 --> 01:09:40,210
they participate in efforts to
sex traffic, contrary to advertising?

1199
01:09:40,544 --> 01:09:42,746
Why is it different
from what newspapers

1200
01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:45,215
When it's special
the ad section for

1201
01:09:45,315 --> 01:09:47,484
Washington Birthday Car Sales?

1202
01:09:47,717 --> 01:09:50,787
They host off-line communication

1203
01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:54,958
between illegal sex sellers,

1204
01:09:55,058 --> 01:09:57,527
including with children and buyers.

1205
01:09:57,761 --> 01:09:59,629
That happens on their site.

1206
01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:02,599
They participate in
that effort
That is the point.

1207
01:10:03,633 --> 01:10:05,402
Hopefully please in court, Jeffrey Pyle...

1208
01:10:05,502 --> 01:10:08,238
Mr. Pyle, at some time you will respond

1209
01:10:08,338 --> 01:10:10,840
to the last argument
made by Mr. Montgomery,

1210
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:13,810
that there is something more
than the advertisement going on?

1211
01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:16,713
You are responsible,
if we let it go forward,

1212
01:10:16,813 --> 01:10:19,616
to become an
participant in the sex trade effort.

1213
01:10:19,916 --> 01:10:21,651
The ad is created by

1214
01:10:21,751 --> 01:10:24,354
plaintiffs themselves
or by their pimps.

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1216
01:10:27,257 --> 01:10:29,859
I bring you agree that
is possible for the publisher

1217
01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:32,696
to also be a
participant in the sex trade business,

1218
01:10:32,796 --> 01:10:35,332
where the pimp himself runs a website.

1219
01:10:35,599 --> 01:10:36,466
Yes.

1220
01:10:37,867 --> 01:10:41,838
Publishers usually don't go out and
participate in federal crime,

1221
01:10:41,938 --> 01:10:44,408
Especially the sex trade business.

1222
01:10:44,508 --> 01:10:49,346
And it's true, if we can get two
the judge agrees with that,

1223
01:10:49,446 --> 01:10:51,915
I think we might have three
judges who would agree with that,

1224
01:10:52,416 --> 01:10:53,983
That is very important for us.

1225
01:10:54,351 --> 01:10:56,353
Right.
The question is,
where it brings us

1226
01:10:56,453 --> 01:10:57,387
- Right
- Right

1227
01:11:02,559 --> 01:11:06,696
When Justice Souter is launched
analogy of the car ad,

1228
01:11:06,796 --> 01:11:11,034
That's kind of, "why do we compare it?
girls who are traded to cars?"

1229
01:11:11,401 --> 01:11:14,604
There might be better
answers to some questions

1230
01:11:14,904 --> 01:11:18,542
A panel prepared in a difficult state means that you can wait a while.

1231
01:11:18,842 --> 01:11:20,644
I think we have a good shot,

1232
01:11:20,744 --> 01:11:23,913
and I can't wait to contact
Jane Does and tell them how it goes.

1233
01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:25,449
- I think we're in the game
- Yeah.

1234
01:11:25,549 --> 01:11:26,850
First Circuit Argument

1235
01:11:28,217 --> 01:11:29,453
certainly one of the most
active benches I've ever seen.

1236
01:11:30,554 --> 01:11:31,521
All judges
have clearly read the shorts.

1237
01:11:32,889 --> 01:11:34,491
That makes me feel a little optimistic
what is the decision?

1238
01:11:34,591 --> 01:11:36,025
I think Ropes & Gray will win.

1239
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:39,429
I don't want to sound like
Debbie the Downer,

1240
01:11:39,529 --> 01:11:43,667
but no matter how many times you come
against the Labor Law Communication

1241
01:11:43,767 --> 01:11:45,502
it will always close you.

1242
01:11:53,643 --> 01:11:56,480
Because my daughter was sold in Backpage

1243
01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:58,515
He's a completely different person.

1244
01:11:58,615 --> 01:12:00,083
He is traumatized.

1245
01:12:00,584 --> 01:12:03,953
That spark and fire first
see in his eyes missing

1246
01:12:04,053 --> 01:12:05,722
Well, it's forever changing it.

1247
01:12:07,123 --> 01:12:09,793
He blames himself.
This affects him every day.

1248
01:12:10,427 --> 01:12:13,897
Guilt and fairness
feel ashamed of yourself,

1249
01:12:14,097 --> 01:12:15,632
I have struggled a lot with that.

1250
01:12:16,466 --> 01:12:18,668
Do you know how many mentors I have?

1251
01:12:18,768 --> 01:12:20,737
Do you know how many therapists do I have?

1252
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:23,440
Do you know how many "friends" I have?

1253
01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:28,077
He feels that his childhood
has been lost, destroyed.

1254
01:12:28,177 --> 01:12:30,947
He still suffers
From the dissociative,

1255
01:12:31,047 --> 01:12:33,082
dysfunctional part of what happens.

1256
01:12:33,517 --> 01:12:35,752
Every time I think about it,
I become sad and depressed,

1257
01:12:35,852 --> 01:12:37,454
and I experience flashbacks.

1258
01:12:37,621 --> 01:12:40,824
Violin, football, songs, friends, eh...

1259
01:12:41,124 --> 01:12:43,493
memories with my sister
and sister playing.

1260
01:12:43,593 --> 01:12:46,830
I mean, all that
just goes.

1261
01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,131
This is one of those things

1262
01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:50,734
I honestly don't want
to my worst enemy

1263
01:12:51,968 --> 01:12:54,370
I have to live
every day in my life now

1264
01:12:54,771 --> 01:12:56,540
with everything that happened to me.

1265
01:12:56,806 --> 01:12:59,676
And my parents
must live with grief

1266
01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:02,078
in knowing that I passed it
every day

1267
01:13:02,178 --> 01:13:04,781
I think I've been crying more this year
than I have cried in my life

1268
01:13:04,881 --> 01:13:05,815
Oh my God.

1269
01:13:08,017 --> 01:13:08,885
Yes.

1270
01:13:19,596 --> 01:13:22,165
We are now continuing
with an insult to this Congress,

1271
01:13:22,265 --> 01:13:24,468
which unfortunately, we are forced to do that,

1272
01:13:24,568 --> 01:13:27,871
because Backpage refuses
to give us information

1273
01:13:28,104 --> 01:13:30,574
We really know
through some evidence

1274
01:13:30,674 --> 01:13:34,711
Backpage really instructs
people to edit ads,

1275
01:13:34,811 --> 01:13:37,146
including to take
proof of illegality

1276
01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:40,750
But I think that's why they work
it's very difficult to avoid our court calls.

1277
01:13:43,019 --> 01:13:45,522
What will I recommend
to the subcommittee

1278
01:13:45,622 --> 01:13:49,425
is that we have an insult to
Congress submitted against Backpage.

1279
01:13:49,526 --> 01:13:51,528
And I think the committee
will go with us

1280
01:13:51,628 --> 01:13:52,962
We'll see later.
I hope so.

1281
01:13:54,063 --> 01:13:55,765
Senator McCaskill and I
today as a result

1282
01:13:55,865 --> 01:13:58,167
ask the committee to
report the resolution to authorize

1283
01:13:58,267 --> 01:14:00,003
civil enforcement and humiliation

1284
01:14:00,570 --> 01:14:03,740
against Backpage and against
its CEO, Carl Ferrer.

1285
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,909
I'm happy that Senator Portman is calm,

1286
01:14:06,009 --> 01:14:09,145
because sometimes I am
ready to do McCain to these people.

1287
01:15:53,001 --> 01:14:11,748
No, that's not it!

1288
02:39:16,006 --> 01:14:16,786
I think McCaskill will be good
enough.
I've seen it in operation.

1289
01:14:16,886 --> 01:14:19,689
Frankly, I don't remember

1290
01:14:20,023 --> 01:14:24,661
when witnesses refuse
to testify in this way.

1291
01:14:24,761 --> 01:14:26,596
I don't know if your staff has...

1292
01:14:26,696 --> 01:14:29,098
- It's been 20 years, John.
- It's been 20 years.

1293
01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:31,067
If there is no further debate
or amendment,

1294
01:14:31,167 --> 01:14:33,770
the question is at the end of
from the original resolution

1295
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:37,874
directs the Senate Legal Counsel to be taken
a civil action to enforce a court call

1296
01:14:37,974 --> 01:14:40,043
from this Permanent Subcommittee
about Investigation.

1297
01:14:40,143 --> 01:14:42,111
- Senator McCain
- Aye

1298
01:14:43,046 --> 01:14:44,247
- Portman Senator
- Aye

1299
01:14:44,347 --> 01:14:45,649
- Senator Paul
- Aye

1300
01:14:45,749 --> 01:14:46,816
- Senator Langford
- Aye

1301
01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:48,084
- Senator Ayotte
- Aye

1302
01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:50,920
In this selection yay is 15,
nays is zero,

1303
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:52,055
and the motion was agreed.

1304
01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:55,759
What we do today is that we pass the committee  The first step in holding
individuals in Backpage

1305
01:14:55,859 --> 01:14:59,863


1306
01:14:59,963 --> 01:15:01,631
in an insult to Congress.

1307
01:15:01,731 --> 01:15:03,967
Well, that hasn't happened in 20 years.

1308
01:15:04,067 --> 01:15:05,268
Have a unanimous vote.

1309
02:41:42,001 --> 01:15:07,837
By the way, it's hard to get anything
unanimously around here

1310
01:15:12,742 --> 01:15:16,646
Subcommittee senate takes yet
Other steps to investigate Backpage.

1311
01:15:19,749 --> 01:15:23,152
One day we are happy, then become nervous.
But we are quite confident.

1312
01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:24,253
I will put money for us.

1313
01:15:29,793 --> 01:15:33,162
This person manages 1400 people
a law firm from Boston.

1314
01:15:33,262 --> 01:15:37,601
You must be a enough lawyer
ride a flock of 1,400 other sharks.

1315
01:15:54,381 --> 01:15:56,986
Thank you to everyone for gathering

1316
01:15:57,086 --> 01:16:00,824
and, you know, especially for Yiota coming from Washington DC

1317
01:16:00,924 --> 01:16:03,059
and Erik, along the way
from Seattle, Washington.

1318
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:06,996
We can call this our first
ever peak person Backpage.

1319
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:09,666
The first thing I thought about would be
Interesting to talk about

1320
01:16:09,766 --> 01:16:11,801
is to get everyone's reaction,

1321
01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:15,038
for the latest decisions
we have about Backpage.

1322
01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:21,678
I am not impressed with the thought of the First Circuit.

1323
01:16:21,845 --> 01:16:23,212
I agree with you.
I think it's fair

1324
01:16:24,547 --> 01:16:28,017
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1325
01:16:28,117 --> 01:16:31,120
to overcome what really happened
This is the sale of children.

1326
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:35,091
The decision seems like
really disarmed the

1327
01:16:35,191 --> 01:16:37,794
activities  and really said
there are several publications here,

1328
01:16:37,894 --> 01:16:40,329
which triggers CDA, this case is over.

1329
01:16:40,429 --> 01:16:43,099
There are only a few real academic distances  between your federal appeal
our court judge and our plaintiff.

1330
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:46,670
In other words, these people must do it
out of their ivory tower

1331
01:16:46,936 --> 01:16:50,073


1332
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:53,309
I will stay for them to continue
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1333
01:16:53,409 --> 01:16:56,646
I will tell you, two out of three of the judges did not use the internet.

1334
01:16:56,746 --> 01:16:58,815
These people don't know
how their VCR works.

1335
01:17:00,917 --> 01:17:04,253
We will evaluate our approach
to the US Supreme Court.

1336
01:17:04,353 --> 01:17:05,989
Because our case is in the process of

1337
01:17:06,089 --> 01:17:08,892
and we will be tried
and we intend to win,

1338
01:17:09,158 --> 01:17:12,896
I don't want to broadcast
our strategy is also pretty good

1339
01:17:12,996 --> 01:17:16,165
and give Backyard a blueprint
what we will do.

1340
01:17:17,701 --> 01:17:19,703
I think the decision is misdirected.

1341
01:17:19,803 --> 01:17:23,406
And they will not hold back the Responsible Backpage very disturbing me.

1342
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,176
There is this high discussion
about Section 230,

1343
01:17:27,276 --> 01:17:30,780
and at the end of the day,
rape is hardly discussed.

1344
01:17:31,114 --> 01:17:33,783
They are discussed in passing.

1345
01:17:33,883 --> 01:17:36,319
There is a line that says something
Like, "So, here's the story."

1346
01:17:36,419 --> 01:17:40,389
And this is not a fairy tale.
There is
a child who is raped a thousand times.

1347
01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:41,825
That's outrageous.

1348
01:17:42,959 --> 01:17:44,227
They think Congress should improve this, not court.

1349
01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:48,064
And we think it's actually theirs
job and they don't do it

1350
01:17:48,264 --> 01:17:51,935
What I know is I want to
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1351
01:17:52,101 --> 01:17:56,139
or congressman
think that this situation,

1352
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,007
the status quo is quite satisfying.

1353
01:17:58,241 --> 01:18:00,777
It doesn't make sense if you can sit

1354
01:18:00,877 --> 01:18:05,148
and you can hear testimony or,
You can see all the evidence

1355
01:18:05,248 --> 01:18:08,918
and you can't feel certain
amount of responsibility

1356
01:18:09,986 --> 01:18:12,021
to improve the situation.

1357
01:18:12,488 --> 01:18:15,124
We need someone
give us a chance to fight

1358
01:18:16,926 --> 01:18:20,730
I hope every American will also be angry  and other times federal
state judge or judge

1359
01:18:20,830 --> 01:18:24,300
accuses that somehow this practice
can be accepted in America,

1360
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,438
then speak up

1361
01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:31,240
This is a matter of inheritance for these judges.

1362
01:18:31,507 --> 01:18:33,442
The judge
made this decision

1363
01:18:35,078 --> 01:18:36,295
will be read in history.

1364
01:18:36,296 --> 01:18:37,313
This judge will be judged alone.

1365
01:18:37,413 --> 01:18:40,984
This can't happen again.

1366
01:18:41,384 --> 01:18:44,954
It doesn't matter what the CDA says.

1367
01:18:45,321 --> 01:18:47,356
Calendar number 375. SRES377,

1368
01:18:59,168 --> 01:19:02,939
direct the legal Senate
advice to bring civil action

1369
01:19:03,272 --> 01:19:06,309
to enforce a court call from the Permanent
Subcommittee on Investigation.

1370
01:19:06,409 --> 01:19:09,813
Backpage and Chief
Executive Officer, Carl Ferrer,

1371
01:19:10,246 --> 01:19:12,882


1372
01:19:24,994 --> 01:19:28,097
we will send messages to others,
I say to my colleague from Ohio,

1373
01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:30,433
they can run away, but they can't hide.

1374
01:19:30,533 --> 01:19:32,768
During our November 19 trial,

1375
01:19:33,036 --> 01:19:35,538
I promise that while
subcommittee will move forward

1376
01:19:35,638 --> 01:19:37,473
Careful and careful,

1377
01:19:37,573 --> 01:19:40,209
We will not go quietly until night.

1378
01:19:41,144 --> 01:19:43,046
And one day in the near future,

1379
01:19:43,146 --> 01:19:45,548
we will use Senate & apos; s
law enforcement actions

1380
01:19:45,648 --> 01:19:48,952
to force cooperation from Backpage.

1381
01:19:49,252 --> 01:19:51,254
Today is that day.

1382
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:53,022
The officer will call him.

1383
01:19:53,156 --> 01:19:55,191
Mr. Johnson, aye.

1384
01:19:55,291 --> 01:19:57,493
Miss Herono, aye.

1385
01:19:57,894 --> 01:19:59,795
Mr. Heller, aye.

1386
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:05,034
voting supports, no one opposes.
Resolution Senen 377 is approved.

1387
01:20:05,168 --> 01:20:08,404
That is a unanimous decision, 96 votes.

1388
01:20:09,005 --> 01:20:11,540
I am very proud and very happy.

1389
01:20:12,408 --> 01:20:15,311
We will win.
We will sink the ship.

1390
01:20:15,411 --> 01:20:16,880
I guarantee that.

1391
01:20:18,814 --> 01:20:24,253
Weapon Resolution 377 only authorizes
Senate to file charges against Backpage

1392
01:20:24,353 --> 01:20:25,855
to enforce his subpoena.

1393
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:30,860
But this sound might be
The first step in a long battle is protracted,

1394
01:20:31,060 --> 01:20:34,563
not only with Backpage,
but to change Section 230.

1395
01:20:42,038 --> 01:20:45,008
David Boies, fresh, from
won the Supreme Court case

1396
01:20:45,108 --> 01:20:46,309
about same-sex marriage,

1397
01:20:47,043 --> 01:20:48,978
decide to get into the fray.

1398
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:54,383
He, with others, starts preparing
a new lawsuits against Backpage.

1399
01:20:55,684 --> 01:20:57,620
Good afternoon,
Boies, Schiller & Flexner.

1400
01:20:59,322 --> 01:21:01,334
If you have a clear organization

1401
01:21:01,335 --> 01:21:03,159
understand that they facilitate

1402
01:21:03,292 --> 01:21:05,194
this illegal action,

1403
01:21:05,962 --> 01:21:09,298
It seems like I am a very important case to do  Our legal strategy is to show that
Backpage is everywhere.

1404
01:21:09,398 --> 01:21:12,601
So, we will go
file some lawsuits

1405
01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:14,603
and mobilize the community
have been touched by Backpage.

1406
01:21:14,938 --> 01:21:18,574
Judges must be educated,

1407
01:21:18,674 --> 01:21:21,077
society needs to be educated,

1408
01:21:21,177 --> 01:21:22,946
The Department of Justice
needs to be educated

1409
01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,114
exactly what happened here

1410
01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:27,216
The idea that Backpage is only trying
to fulfill parents' fetishes,

1411
01:21:27,316 --> 01:21:32,221
not also
involving minors,

1412
01:21:32,321 --> 01:21:34,890
I don't think they will be able to make it in court

1413
01:21:34,991 --> 01:21:37,393
with a straight face.

1414
01:21:37,493 --> 01:21:38,361
The witness stands
is a quiet place to lie.

1415
01:21:39,362 --> 01:21:40,563
We will bring them to court

1416
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:42,365
and they can tell the story
under cross-examination.

1417
01:21:42,465 --> 01:21:45,168


1418
01:21:45,268 --> 01:21:46,502
Let's see if they can defend it.

1419
01:21:46,602 --> 01:21:48,004
I don't think they can.

1420
01:21:52,708 --> 01:21:54,610
State and federal authorities
have been arrested

1421
01:21:54,710 --> 01:21:58,581
Carl Ferrer is 55 years old
in Houston, this afternoon.

1422
01:21:58,681 --> 01:22:01,217
Ferrer will face charges
related to pimps...

1423
01:22:12,028 --> 01:22:14,297
If Backpage is immune from responsibility,

1424
01:22:14,397 --> 01:22:17,173
that means that
This immunity is actually

1425
01:22:17,174 --> 01:22:19,702
extends to intentional criminal actions.

1426
01:22:20,703 --> 01:22:23,572
and the first circuit actually
agrees with that argument

1427
01:22:23,672 --> 01:22:30,046
Maybe, you know, the courtroom
won't be the end of everything-everything

1428
01:22:30,146 --> 01:22:32,148
when it comes to solving this problem.

1429
01:22:32,248 --> 01:22:34,950
Congress must absolutely act.

1430
01:22:35,118 --> 01:22:36,285
Once we get the information,

1431
01:22:37,553 --> 01:22:38,587
pull back the curtain,
see what really happened here,

1432
01:22:39,922 --> 01:22:42,025
then I think the legislative response
is the next logical step.

1433
01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:45,579
I think you will see
a lot of opposition

1434
01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:47,330
with the idea of changing Section 230.

1435
01:22:49,398 --> 01:22:52,035
Center for Democracy and Technology,

1436
01:22:52,135 --> 01:22:54,003
and Electronic Frontier Foundation,

1437
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:57,740
two high-powered organizations
dedicated to internet freedom,

1438
01:22:58,207 --> 01:23:01,277
Both have filed lawsuits
pants that support Backpage

1439
01:23:01,377 --> 01:23:04,113
in his case against J.S.
and Jane Doe.

1440
01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:10,553
Google search for donors to
Center for Democracy and Technology

1441
01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:12,755
read who is like
technology company.

1442
01:23:13,722 --> 01:23:18,161
Their larger donors include Facebook,
Microsoft and Google.

1443
01:23:19,195 --> 01:23:21,630
This means that the funds are from these companies  is being used to support Backpage

1444
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:23,699
in this case involves
underage sex trafficking

1445
01:23:23,799 --> 01:23:27,236
Silicon Valley breaks in cold conditions
sweat when we talk about changing CDA,

1446
01:23:29,372 --> 01:23:33,742


1447
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:36,179
but there are several ways we can do this

1448
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:38,614
it can be in
child trafficking.

1449
01:23:38,714 --> 01:23:43,752
The government cannot only censor
which does not agree with or dislike.

1450
01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:47,656
Money and lobby
prevent change,

1451
01:23:48,157 --> 01:23:50,093
even though that is a reasonable change,

1452
01:23:50,193 --> 01:23:53,629
as if we have to go there
First Amendment altar,

1453
01:23:53,729 --> 01:23:55,231
and ask forgiveness.

1454
01:23:55,331 --> 01:23:57,733
Many voices are taken,
but nothing happens.

1455
01:23:57,833 --> 01:24:01,170
So many people are not interested

1456
01:24:01,270 --> 01:24:04,573
in changing the law
in terms of internet.

1457
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:10,279
Whatever action must be taken
taken to overcome this problem,

1458
01:24:10,379 --> 01:24:11,347
needs to be taken

1459
01:24:12,648 --> 01:24:16,152
Well, if that requires compensation
the Decency Act, then fine.

1460
01:24:16,252 --> 01:24:17,153
I would love to do it.

1461
01:24:28,297 --> 01:24:30,533
Last night we issued a report.

1462
01:24:30,733 --> 01:24:32,868
This shows evidence of criminal activity

1463
01:24:32,901 --> 01:24:36,539
and we have to spend 18 months and
go all the way to the Supreme Court

1464
01:24:36,572 --> 01:24:37,573
to get this information

1465
01:24:45,514 --> 01:24:47,611
More than 20 months ago,
this subcommittee

1466
01:24:47,613 --> 01:24:49,519
launch a bipartisan investigation  about how sex trafficking is used
internet to exchange their trade.

1467
01:24:49,618 --> 01:24:53,522
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1468
01:24:53,622 --> 01:24:56,592
Backpage refuses to cooperate with
investigation subcommittee.

1469
01:24:56,892 --> 01:25:00,296
They oppose our court call,

1470
01:25:00,396 --> 01:25:01,697
failed to appear at the
hearing in November 2015,

1471
01:25:01,797 --> 01:25:04,333
or provide the requested document.

1472
01:25:04,433 --> 01:25:06,302
We now want to contact our first panel
witness for today's trial

1473
01:25:06,802 --> 01:25:10,273
This is the custom of this subcommittee
to swear on all witnesses.

1474
01:25:10,573 --> 01:25:13,842
Do you swear that your testimony is
will give before this subcommittee

1475
01:25:14,343 --> 01:25:17,213


1476
01:25:17,313 --> 01:25:19,548
will be truth, all truth,
and nothing but truth,

1477
01:25:19,648 --> 01:25:20,783
so please help God

1478
01:25:20,949 --> 01:25:22,551
Please sit down.

1479
01:25:23,919 --> 01:25:26,222
Last night, Chairman Portman and
I received news from Backpage

1480
01:25:26,322 --> 01:25:27,556
that in response to our report,

1481
01:25:27,656 --> 01:25:29,725
the company has been closed
the adult part

1482
01:25:29,825 --> 01:25:32,328
throughout the United States
effective immediately

1483
01:25:32,795 --> 01:25:35,464
I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

1484
01:25:36,632 --> 01:25:37,866
Only time will tell

1485
01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:40,703
if this action is fair
a cheap publicity action.

1486
01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:45,508
Backpage intentionally edit words
shows child sex trafficking.

1487
01:25:45,608 --> 01:25:49,345
"Fresh," "innocent," "school
girl" and even "Amber Alert."

1488
01:25:49,745 --> 01:25:51,780
These children are still being sold.

1489
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,781
Shameless.

1490
01:25:53,882 --> 01:25:56,185
Shame on you for hiding
behind the First Amendment.

1491
01:25:56,419 --> 01:25:58,287
If an underage girl
is being sold for sex

1492
01:25:58,387 --> 01:26:00,556
and the germany put the word
"Lolita" in the ad,

1493
01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:01,890
stripping the term from ads

1494
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:03,926
doesn't magically change
the age of girls, right?

1495
01:26:04,026 --> 01:26:05,361
I refuse to answer your question.

1496
01:26:05,461 --> 01:26:06,495
I refuse to answer your question.

1497
01:26:06,595 --> 01:26:07,696
I refuse to answer your question.

1498
01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,700
Based on the rights granted by the First and Fifth Amendments.

1499
01:26:13,769 --> 01:26:15,938
Mr. Lacey, I understand
from your response

1500
01:26:16,038 --> 01:26:17,806
you will call you
the fifth amendment is correct

1501
01:26:17,906 --> 01:26:20,409
in response to anything and all
questions submitted to you today

1502
01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:21,344
Obviously.

1503
01:26:23,246 --> 01:26:25,514
This ends with
questions from this panel.

1504
01:26:26,415 --> 01:26:28,227
You are forgiven
panel based on

1505
01:26:28,228 --> 01:26:29,918
your affirmation
The five amendments to rights.

1506
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:33,222
You are listening to the hearing today,

1507
01:26:33,322 --> 01:26:35,658
Backpage has been pulled down
their companion site

1508
01:26:35,758 --> 01:26:38,361
That is a publicity action
in the Backpage section.

1509
01:26:38,527 --> 01:26:39,595
That is showmanship.

1510
01:26:39,728 --> 01:26:40,696
I think it's a ruse.

1511
01:26:41,664 --> 01:26:43,266
And the next Backpage
will join

1512
01:26:43,366 --> 01:26:45,868
unless we fix CDA.

1513
01:27:02,651 --> 01:27:05,488
How long can you be
to continue to proceed with the court proceedings

1514
01:27:05,588 --> 01:27:06,655
on your own source?

1515
01:27:06,789 --> 01:27:07,923
As long as needed.

1516
01:27:10,025 --> 01:27:12,928
Straight up, provided it is needed.
I can do this.

1517
01:27:13,562 --> 01:27:14,597
Will you sell the furniture?

1518
01:27:14,763 --> 01:27:15,831
I will sell the furniture.

1519
01:27:35,718 --> 01:27:39,021
Apart from all the legality
about what is permitted,

1520
01:27:39,388 --> 01:27:40,689
the question is what's right

1521
01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:48,697
There are questions for
What kind of society are we going to be,

1522
01:27:48,797 --> 01:27:52,768
whether we will tolerate
sexual trafficking in children.

1523
01:27:53,001 --> 01:27:56,271
That is an insult
everything we believe in

1524
01:27:56,372 --> 01:27:59,274
And questions for Backpage,
I think, what is this?

1525
01:27:59,375 --> 01:28:02,845
Do you protect children from human trafficking?

1526
01:28:02,945 --> 01:28:05,280
or do you benefit from their suffering?

1527
01:28:05,748 --> 01:28:06,882
That's the question.

1528
01:28:08,517 --> 01:28:11,854
How can this be a part of the legacy of Suara Desa

1529
01:28:11,954 --> 01:28:13,288
sad for me

1530
01:28:13,556 --> 01:28:16,459
This kind of operation will be right

1531
01:28:16,559 --> 01:28:19,895
What sounds do you want to express?

1532
01:28:19,995 --> 01:28:22,064
Today's companies

1533
01:28:22,164 --> 01:28:24,633
make a decision to post these images

1534
01:28:24,733 --> 01:28:27,670
even without taking the time
to find out if they are children.

1535
01:28:27,936 --> 01:28:30,275
They make
mistakes in allowing my daughter

1536
01:28:30,276 --> 01:28:32,508
to be sold 20 times a day
on the site.

1537
01:28:32,875 --> 01:28:34,377
What if it's your daughter?

1538
01:28:35,711 --> 01:28:36,812
How did you feel at that time?

1539
01:28:44,553 --> 01:28:47,890
Other M.A., J.S., and Jane Does

1540
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:50,759
are standing and
reclamation of their voices,

1541
01:28:51,427 --> 01:28:52,861
not only for themselves

1542
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:55,330
but for thousands of others
children across the country,

1543
01:28:56,632 --> 01:28:59,968
challenging the law
has been interpreted so broadly

1544
01:29:00,068 --> 01:29:02,337
to oppose common sense,

1545
01:29:02,971 --> 01:29:05,841
talk and fight.

1546
01:29:07,543 --> 01:29:10,579
Demand that we answer
the question

1547
01:29:10,879 --> 01:29:13,682
What kind of society do we want?

1548
01:29:18,987 --> 01:29:21,390
He is precocious,

1549
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:23,959
nosy, opinionated.

1550
01:29:25,093 --> 01:29:27,863
Geez,
He is cheerful and friendly.

1551
01:29:27,963 --> 01:29:30,399
He always wants it
in all mixes

1552
01:29:30,766 --> 01:29:35,571
What I like best
My daughter is that she has a big heart.

1553
01:29:36,038 --> 01:29:37,973
I am Jane Doe.

1554
01:29:38,073 --> 01:29:39,708
I will tell myself who is 12 years old,

1555
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:42,645
"Don't settle for lacking
You are far more than that.

1556
01:29:42,878 --> 01:29:43,846
I promise you."

1557
01:29:45,481 --> 01:29:47,550
He only has real spices for life.

1558
01:29:47,650 --> 01:29:51,554
Even with him being broken
he, he shares so much love

1559
01:29:51,787 --> 01:29:52,955
I am Jane Doe.

1560
01:29:53,055 --> 01:29:54,823
I am Jane Doe.

1561
01:29:56,625 --> 01:29:59,962
He doesn't have to let anything
have happened in his past to hold him back.

1562
01:30:00,062 --> 01:30:03,432
I want my daughter
to raise her head up high,

1563
01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:06,802
and know that
All this is not his fault.

1564
01:30:06,902 --> 01:30:09,772
Mother changes
this is more than anything

1565
01:30:10,205 --> 01:30:13,175
It's time for us all to stand up and be strong.

1566
01:30:13,876 --> 01:30:16,712
They save their children,
take to the streets

1567
01:30:16,812 --> 01:30:18,581
They bring this case to court.

1568
01:30:18,781 --> 01:30:21,049
This is often where
the actual movement begins.

1569
01:30:21,484 --> 01:30:22,885
And that's the only way to make changes,

1570
01:30:22,985 --> 01:30:24,620
is to make your voice known.

1571
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,188
I am Jane Doe.

1572
01:30:27,656 --> 01:30:30,158
If I can talk to another
Jane Is in this case,

1573
01:30:30,258 --> 01:30:32,928
I will tell them,
don't give up the fight

1574
01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:36,031
They open the way for others.

1575
01:30:36,865 --> 01:30:39,167
I just don't want it
happened to my sister,

1576
01:30:39,267 --> 01:30:41,637
or your children, or the next child.

1577
01:30:42,705 --> 01:30:46,642
I will tell Jane Does,
You vote literally...

1578
01:30:46,775 --> 01:30:49,712
I don't know how many thousands,
I don't know how many.

1579
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:52,648
I am Jane Doe.

1580
01:30:52,915 --> 01:30:54,182
I am Jane Doe.

1581
01:30:54,282 --> 01:30:55,784
I am Jane Doe.

1582
01:30:55,884 --> 01:30:56,785
I am Jane Doe.

1583
01:30:56,952 --> 01:30:58,821
I am a victim of sex trafficking.

1584
01:30:58,954 --> 01:31:00,155
I am Jane Doe.

1585
01:31:01,890 --> 01:31:04,960
I'm smart, I'm beautiful.

1586
01:31:05,561 --> 01:31:09,231
I'm strong, sharp, loving.

1587
01:31:09,632 --> 01:31:10,699
I am a survivor.

1588
01:31:11,099 --> 01:31:13,001
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