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- ♪ Something happened
on the day he died ♪

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♪ Spirit rose a meter
and stepped aside ♪

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♪ Somebody else
took his place ♪

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♪ And bravely cried ♪

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Always remember that the reason

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that you initially
started working

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was that there was
something inside yourself

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that you felt that

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if you could manifest it
in some way,

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you would understand

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more about yourself

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and how you coexist

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with the rest of society.

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♪ How many times
does an angel fall ♪

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♪ How many people lie ♪

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♪ Instead of talking tall ♪

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People have either
really accepted what I do

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or they've absolutely

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sort of pushed it
away from them.

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I guess that's what I am,
you know?

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But I would love to feel that
what I did

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actually changed
the fabric of music.

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♪ ♪

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Even though I seem to

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superficially change such a lot,

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a style does come through.

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By virtue of the fact
that I'm getting older,

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it's given me quite a scope

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on what I can draw
from within my own

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catalog of albums.

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♪ ♪

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♪ Look up here ♪

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♪ I'm in heaven ♪

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♪ I've got scars
that can't be seen ♪

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♪ ♪

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'Allo, 'allo, 'allo!

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It's your lucky day!

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♪ ♪

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♪ Where are we now? ♪

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♪ Where are we now? ♪

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- I think that David's music

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is totally autobiographical.

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He's telling you everything

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if you just know
what to look for.

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- ♪ The moment you know ♪

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♪ You know you know ♪

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- He was a kind of provocateur.

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- ♪ Where the fuck
did Monday go? ♪

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- He offered an alternative
to people,

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and that, to me,
is a great artist.

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You know?
Someone who can

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offer that for generations
to come.

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♪ ♪

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- This is one human being

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who has single-handedly
changed

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basically the course of my life,

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and you can't say that
about most people.

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♪ ♪

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- ♪ Loving the alien ♪

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♪ Watch that man ♪

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- ♪ Oh, honey,
watch that man ♪

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- ♪ Blue, blue,
electric blue ♪

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♪ That's the color
of my room ♪

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♪ I'm looking for a vehicle ♪

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♪ I'm looking for a ride ♪

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♪ I'm looking for a party ♪

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♪ I'm looking for a side ♪

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♪ We can be heroes ♪

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♪ Just for one day ♪

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♪ ♪

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I've this poetic, romantic,
kind of juvenile idea

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that I would be dead by 30,

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but suddenly you're 30
and you're 40.

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Then you're 50 and 57,
and all that,

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and it's a new land, you know?

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- Sure.
- I'm a pioneer.

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♪ Got your mother
in a whirl ♪

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♪ ♪

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♪ She's not sure
if you're a boy or a girl ♪

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♪ Hey, baby ♪

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♪ Your hair's all right ♪

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♪ Hey, baby,
let's stay out tonight ♪

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- It's a big tour
you're starting now, isn't it?

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- Yeah, it's gonna go on
for months and months,

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but, uh, I think
we're up for it.

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- How do you feel right now?

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- Pretty relaxed, you know.

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Uh, I enjoy the songs a lot,

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so, uh, I'm gonna--
I'm gonna have a good time.

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♪ You're ♪

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♪ ♪

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- You know, I'm gonna
be honest with you.

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The happiest I've ever seen
that man

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in 42 years that I spent,
on and off, with him,

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was that tour.

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I--I'd never seen him
like that before.

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- ♪ You're ♪

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♪ Rebel, rebel ♪

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- ♪ Put on your dress ♪

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♪ Rebel, rebel ♪

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- ♪ Face is a mess ♪

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♪ You're a ♪

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♪ Rebel, rebel ♪

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- ♪ How could they know? ♪

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♪ Hot tramp,
I love you so ♪

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- ♪ You bet ♪

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- At a certain time
in your life,

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you get to a point where

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you do feel freer

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and you don't really care

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what people...

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Think, and you can be yourself

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and you can laugh at things

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and you can not take things,
maybe, so seriously.

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♪ ♪

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- ♪ Hey, baby,
let's stay out tonight ♪

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- When it came to
the "Reality Tour,"

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I think he had decided that
he was gonna take down

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that kind of
screen, if you like...

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- Thank you!

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- And be David Bowie,

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not in a cheesy way,

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but he--he allowed more access

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to himself.

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- On guitar,
from Dublin's fair city,

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Gerry Leonard.

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Actually, he's--

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He's actually from
Tunbridge Wells,

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but he always gets
the good applause

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when I say that.

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I'm not really very keen
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much of a theatrical show,
you know,

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in terms of big sets
and elephants and fireworks

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and things like that.

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Of course, it doesn't mean that

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I won't go back on my word,
because that's, you know,

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part and parcel
of what I do for you,

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as part of
my entertaining factor

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is lying to you.

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- His sense of humor was on.

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He always had one anyway,

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but publicly,

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he didn't show it as much.

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You know what I mean?
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serious artist thing
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during some of the tours.

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The "Reality Tour"
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because there was some nights
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for some of the shit
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or that happened.

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- These must be my albums

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that nobody ever bought,

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so they've gotten really cheap.

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Look, they got "Lodger"
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Isn't that because...

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- We're at some truck stop
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and I'm at--
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machines that you never win at

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where you put in the quarter

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and then the claw comes down

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and it picks up
the stuffed animal?

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- Yeah, good boy.

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- Oh!

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Oh!

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- I do, it, and I actually get

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the thing out of it,

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and it's the--
But it's the two of us.

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It's this competition

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of who's gonna get

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the stuffed animal.

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- I think it's kind of

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a 50/50 thing here,

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so I'll take that one...
- Oh, cut--

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It was Cat's money.

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That's just not the David

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that I had known in early years.

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That's brilliant.

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- Some of the fun and games
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I think that really was

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who he was, you know?

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The real David was the one
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at the time of
the "Reality Tour."

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He was--he's just--
He was always funny.

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He always had
a funny sense of humor.

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He was always joking

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about things.

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- All right.

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- Oh, you're doing your bird.

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- Dun-dun-dun-dun.

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- Guess the movie.

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- There was a sense
that David looked

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as young and as youthful

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as ever on that tour.

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It did seem like he had

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the gift from the gods,
you know?

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That--that he was never
gonna get old.

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- ♪ Never ever, ever
gonna get old ♪

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♪ ♪

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That's a lie,
but it's only a little lie.

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- He looked so good

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and youthful at the same time

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and one night, I said,

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"You look really good
in that suit,"

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and for some reason,
the way I said it--

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He said,

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"I'm happily married."

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So I didn't realize what I--

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How I was saying that.

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But yeah, he just looked great,

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all the time.

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- ♪ Billy rapped all night ♪

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♪ About his suicide ♪

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♪ Kick it in the head
when he was 25 ♪

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That's just speed jive.

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♪ Don't wanna stay alive ♪

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♪ When you're 25 ♪

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- Playing "All the Young Dudes,"

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that's such--
Like an anthem, really.

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In a way,
it was almost like church,

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you know,
when you really do feel like

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you have this congregation
of people

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and everyone's singing

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and the whole place is swaying.

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♪ All the young dudes ♪

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- Yeah, you in the back!

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♪ Carry the news ♪

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- In the St. George T-shirt!

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♪ Dudes ♪

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- ♪ Carry the message ♪

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♪ One more ♪

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- It was just a--

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An incredible connection

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to the audience,
I think, for that show,

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for pretty much the whole show.

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♪ Boogaloo dudes ♪

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♪ Carry the news ♪

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♪ ♪

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- He just got into
tunnel vision,

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like he was gonna make this

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not just successful,

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but just be prepared to play it,

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because it was a lot of music
every night.

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We would go in

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2 1/2-hour sets,

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and, you know,
you have to really

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be physically capable
to handle that.

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♪ ♪

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- Going on tour
excited him very much,

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but, uh, he said to me,
flat-out,

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"I'm tired,"

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so I think, um,

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he fulfilled
all his wishes and dreams,

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and maybe he got
a little over-saturated

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in the touring.

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♪ ♪

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- We got to Prague,

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and then, during a show,

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David was sweating profusely

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and unable to sing.

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- And then he started
to hunch over.

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He looked over,
and I looked over at him,

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and I went, "There's something
really wrong."

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I said--
And I went, like--

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And I signaled
to his floor manager,

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and I went,
"Boss, you're not okay."

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- The security person ran out
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Just took him away.

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00:11:19,182 --> 00:11:20,973
- It was a little mysterious
to everybody

270
00:11:20,974 --> 00:11:22,514
as to what it might be,

271
00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,472
because it really did
come out of the blue.

272
00:11:24,473 --> 00:11:26,347
- I just was thinking,
"Okay, he's seeing the doctor.

273
00:11:26,348 --> 00:11:30,222
Maybe they've
given him a shot, or whatever."

274
00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:33,015
Then we got ready to go
to the Hurricane Festival.

275
00:11:34,348 --> 00:11:36,681
- We'll leave this one for you,

276
00:11:36,682 --> 00:11:37,848
for me, for my band,

277
00:11:37,849 --> 00:11:39,181
for our families.

278
00:11:39,182 --> 00:11:40,389
Thanks very much.

279
00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:41,764
- We played the entire set,

280
00:11:41,765 --> 00:11:43,848
and it seemed, you know, normal.

281
00:11:43,849 --> 00:11:47,222
Not as--quite as--
As energetic

282
00:11:47,223 --> 00:11:49,181
and as charged

283
00:11:49,182 --> 00:11:51,015
as the performances before.

284
00:11:51,016 --> 00:11:55,098
♪ ♪

285
00:11:55,099 --> 00:11:57,306
- ♪ But I'll drink
all the time ♪

286
00:11:57,307 --> 00:12:00,764
♪ ♪

287
00:12:00,765 --> 00:12:02,431
♪ 'Cause we're lovers ♪

288
00:12:02,432 --> 00:12:04,890
♪ ♪

289
00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:07,181
♪ That is a fact ♪

290
00:12:07,182 --> 00:12:09,723
♪ ♪

291
00:12:09,724 --> 00:12:11,890
♪ Yes, we're lovers ♪

292
00:12:11,891 --> 00:12:13,431
- We finished the show...

293
00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:14,848
- ♪ And that is that ♪

294
00:12:14,849 --> 00:12:16,639
- And then it seemed like

295
00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,222
David was in a lot of pain

296
00:12:18,223 --> 00:12:20,098
and obviously
something was wrong.

297
00:12:20,099 --> 00:12:23,556
- They sent an ambulance,
and took him away.

298
00:12:23,557 --> 00:12:26,431
We went back in the vans, um,
with the band,

299
00:12:26,432 --> 00:12:28,931
and he went off
in an ambulance that night.

300
00:12:28,932 --> 00:12:31,806
- I think we were told that, um,

301
00:12:31,807 --> 00:12:33,764
he had a mild heart attack

302
00:12:33,765 --> 00:12:36,389
and that his life
wasn't in danger,

303
00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:39,306
but that was it.
We were going home.

304
00:12:53,265 --> 00:12:55,514
- He said he
wasn't gonna work for a while

305
00:12:55,515 --> 00:12:57,514
and, uh, he wasn't sure

306
00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:58,931
if he'd ever record again,

307
00:12:58,932 --> 00:13:00,681
or tour again.

308
00:13:00,682 --> 00:13:04,181
He just wanted to take time off.

309
00:13:07,432 --> 00:13:10,765
♪ ♪

310
00:13:11,432 --> 00:13:14,015
- I think any kind of
unexpected thing,

311
00:13:14,016 --> 00:13:15,764
like a heart attack--
It makes you

312
00:13:15,765 --> 00:13:17,764
reevaluate things, and I--

313
00:13:17,765 --> 00:13:20,764
But I never thought
he'd stop working.

314
00:13:20,765 --> 00:13:23,140
♪ ♪

315
00:13:23,141 --> 00:13:26,264
- We would exchange emails
about things that were

316
00:13:26,265 --> 00:13:29,306
interesting to each other
or relevant,

317
00:13:29,307 --> 00:13:33,015
but there wasn't
a lot of contact.

318
00:13:33,016 --> 00:13:34,764
♪ ♪

319
00:13:34,765 --> 00:13:37,306
- It's hard to figure out David,

320
00:13:37,307 --> 00:13:40,347
you know, and I stopped
trying to figure him out.

321
00:13:40,348 --> 00:13:42,556
Just hope the phone would ring,

322
00:13:42,557 --> 00:13:45,056
and/or get an email from him,

323
00:13:45,057 --> 00:13:46,639
and I did.

324
00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:56,765
♪ ♪

325
00:14:08,974 --> 00:14:16,141
♪ ♪

326
00:14:22,515 --> 00:14:25,264
- Having not heard from him
for a while,

327
00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:27,015
I suddenly got an email

328
00:14:27,016 --> 00:14:28,306
to see if I was available

329
00:14:28,307 --> 00:14:30,347
to come and play on the album.

330
00:14:30,348 --> 00:14:33,389
I received, then,
an email from the management

331
00:14:33,390 --> 00:14:37,264
about the fact that
if I was going to do this,

332
00:14:37,265 --> 00:14:39,181
it would have to be secret,

333
00:14:39,182 --> 00:14:40,514
and if I

334
00:14:40,515 --> 00:14:42,222
said anything about it,

335
00:14:42,223 --> 00:14:43,973
I would be in big trouble...

336
00:14:43,974 --> 00:14:45,181
Legally.

337
00:14:45,182 --> 00:14:47,056
♪ ♪

338
00:14:47,057 --> 00:14:48,723
- I got an email,

339
00:14:48,724 --> 00:14:51,222
really out of the blue,
from David.

340
00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:52,973
"Do you want to come

341
00:14:52,974 --> 00:14:56,556
and work on some new songs
for a week?"

342
00:14:56,557 --> 00:14:58,764
Uh, "P.S.,

343
00:14:58,765 --> 00:15:00,222
uh, keep schtum."

344
00:15:00,223 --> 00:15:02,181
♪ ♪

345
00:15:02,182 --> 00:15:04,431
- Once we got to the studio,

346
00:15:04,432 --> 00:15:05,723
one of the first things he did

347
00:15:05,724 --> 00:15:08,140
was hand out NDAs to everybody:

348
00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:10,681
these papers to sign.
It's the first time

349
00:15:10,682 --> 00:15:12,140
that I'd ever been asked

350
00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:13,472
to do something like that
for him.

351
00:15:13,473 --> 00:15:14,931
♪ ♪

352
00:15:14,932 --> 00:15:16,389
- The hours were very short,

353
00:15:16,390 --> 00:15:17,890
compared to normal.

354
00:15:17,891 --> 00:15:19,681
By 6:00, that was it,
no matter what,

355
00:15:19,682 --> 00:15:22,389
and some days,
even earlier than that.

356
00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:24,556
That was not the David Bowie

357
00:15:24,557 --> 00:15:26,514
that I ever worked with before.

358
00:15:26,515 --> 00:15:28,556
Ever.
I've never seen that.

359
00:15:28,557 --> 00:15:30,015
He would go in there

360
00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:32,598
and stay there until

361
00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:35,056
he was spent or done,

362
00:15:35,057 --> 00:15:36,764
but this was like a...

363
00:15:36,765 --> 00:15:38,389
"Mm. I'm leaving.

364
00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:39,723
6:00. See you."

365
00:15:39,724 --> 00:15:41,764
♪ ♪

366
00:15:41,765 --> 00:15:43,764
- He really wanted
no pressure on him

367
00:15:43,765 --> 00:15:45,140
to release an album.

368
00:15:45,141 --> 00:15:47,098
There was no press release
saying

369
00:15:47,099 --> 00:15:50,306
"Expect a Bowie album
on this date."

370
00:15:50,307 --> 00:15:54,848
This way, he could finish
every song to perfection.

371
00:15:57,849 --> 00:16:00,764
♪ ♪

372
00:16:04,265 --> 00:16:05,806
- I'm much more interested

373
00:16:05,807 --> 00:16:07,431
in the process of life

374
00:16:07,432 --> 00:16:08,973
and what is it that we're--

375
00:16:08,974 --> 00:16:12,140
We're uncovering
with our every move?

376
00:16:12,141 --> 00:16:15,556
The celebrity side of it--
I couldn't give a sausage.

377
00:16:20,141 --> 00:16:27,182
♪ ♪

378
00:16:28,557 --> 00:16:30,098
- ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪

379
00:16:30,099 --> 00:16:31,598
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪

380
00:16:31,599 --> 00:16:34,181
♪ Stars are never sleeping ♪

381
00:16:34,182 --> 00:16:35,973
♪ ♪

382
00:16:35,974 --> 00:16:38,431
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪

383
00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:42,598
♪ Dead ones and the living ♪

384
00:16:42,599 --> 00:16:46,472
♪ We live closer
to the earth ♪

385
00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:49,973
♪ Never to the heavens ♪

386
00:16:49,974 --> 00:16:53,556
♪ The stars are never
far away ♪

387
00:16:53,557 --> 00:16:56,556
♪ The stars are out tonight ♪

388
00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:58,140
- David!

389
00:16:58,141 --> 00:17:00,181
Mr. Bowie! Mr. Bowie!

390
00:17:00,182 --> 00:17:01,848
David, can you wave?

391
00:17:01,849 --> 00:17:03,514
- ♪ The stars must stick
together ♪

392
00:17:03,515 --> 00:17:05,389
- "The Stars Are Out Tonight"
song

393
00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:08,681
is about David's attitude
towards celebrities.

394
00:17:08,682 --> 00:17:09,848
He's had a good dose

395
00:17:09,849 --> 00:17:11,264
of other people's celebrity,

396
00:17:11,265 --> 00:17:13,015
which, uh, he found distasteful.

397
00:17:13,016 --> 00:17:15,098
♪ ♪

398
00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:18,056
- There were definitely
things on his mind

399
00:17:18,057 --> 00:17:19,514
and he'd been ruminating over,

400
00:17:19,515 --> 00:17:21,264
and it was all coming out now.

401
00:17:21,265 --> 00:17:24,140
It was like
he was birthing the stuff.

402
00:17:24,141 --> 00:17:26,598
♪ ♪

403
00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,848
- He was trying a lot of things.

404
00:17:27,849 --> 00:17:29,347
He had to flex his muscles,

405
00:17:29,348 --> 00:17:31,056
to get back in shape,
like a runner,

406
00:17:31,057 --> 00:17:33,764
or an athlete.
That's what he had to do.

407
00:17:33,765 --> 00:17:36,973
You know, we just would throw
these songs at the musicians,

408
00:17:36,974 --> 00:17:38,723
and they haven't
heard them before.

409
00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:42,056
So we have David Torn
on this track.

410
00:17:42,057 --> 00:17:45,806
For instance, the intro--
If I play David Torn...

411
00:17:48,807 --> 00:17:55,891
♪ ♪

412
00:17:56,765 --> 00:17:58,890
And that's his role in this,
you know.

413
00:17:58,891 --> 00:18:01,806
- I had this loop--
Something like this going,

414
00:18:01,807 --> 00:18:04,389
which sounded like this,

415
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:06,389
and I was moving it in and out

416
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:10,723
while the--
While the whine was happening.

417
00:18:10,724 --> 00:18:12,556
♪ ♪

418
00:18:12,557 --> 00:18:15,890
- And I remember also
that he was changing his vocal

419
00:18:15,891 --> 00:18:17,890
over the chords
to create different sections,

420
00:18:17,891 --> 00:18:20,890
so we kind of had the idea
to, uh,

421
00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,764
put some little
different guitar riffs

422
00:18:22,765 --> 00:18:24,264
to kind of signify

423
00:18:24,265 --> 00:18:26,723
the changes over that.

424
00:18:29,765 --> 00:18:32,764
♪ ♪

425
00:18:32,765 --> 00:18:35,472
- I put Torn and Leonard
together--

426
00:18:35,473 --> 00:18:36,931
Torn and Leonard.

427
00:18:36,932 --> 00:18:40,764
♪ ♪

428
00:18:40,765 --> 00:18:42,681
Very complementary.

429
00:18:42,682 --> 00:18:43,848
♪ ♪

430
00:18:43,849 --> 00:18:44,973
Okay.

431
00:18:48,057 --> 00:18:50,973
♪ ♪

432
00:18:50,974 --> 00:18:52,931
- It's that kind of--
Almost a Motown kind of--

433
00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:54,472
I don't know where that
kind of comes from.

434
00:18:54,473 --> 00:18:56,098
- Very Motown-y, yeah.

435
00:18:56,099 --> 00:18:59,098
♪ ♪

436
00:18:59,099 --> 00:19:03,056
- ♪ Sugar pie,
honey bunch ♪

437
00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:04,639
- But he never said
anything about doing that.

438
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,222
- That's right.
- We kind of assumed.

439
00:19:06,223 --> 00:19:07,639
- If you've got a smile,

440
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,973
you're going in the right
direction, you know?

441
00:19:08,974 --> 00:19:10,764
If you get that kind of, like,

442
00:19:10,765 --> 00:19:11,931
you're just like, "Oh, no,

443
00:19:11,932 --> 00:19:13,098
I wasn't thinking that at all."

444
00:19:13,099 --> 00:19:14,389
You know?

445
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:16,931
- And it made me think
of another song

446
00:19:16,932 --> 00:19:18,431
which is a David song,

447
00:19:18,432 --> 00:19:20,264
which was, uh,

448
00:19:20,265 --> 00:19:23,472
"China Girl."

449
00:19:26,307 --> 00:19:28,931
- David would come
to the studio with

450
00:19:28,932 --> 00:19:31,639
pages full of lyrics,
and start scratching them out.

451
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,598
Up until the last minute,
he would keep revising,

452
00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:37,140
and sometimes,
he would come in and

453
00:19:37,141 --> 00:19:39,140
just re-sing one line.

454
00:19:42,141 --> 00:19:49,307
♪ ♪

455
00:19:56,016 --> 00:19:57,514
- "Stars Are Out Tonight."
I think that's

456
00:19:57,515 --> 00:19:58,764
one of my favorite songs

457
00:19:58,765 --> 00:20:00,181
on the record, actually.

458
00:20:00,182 --> 00:20:01,598
I think that song was a--

459
00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,015
For lack of a better word,

460
00:20:03,016 --> 00:20:04,056
a good piss-take...

461
00:20:04,057 --> 00:20:06,514
In a way,

462
00:20:06,515 --> 00:20:09,264
on--on what fame has become,

463
00:20:09,265 --> 00:20:12,764
which just is
out-of-control machine.

464
00:20:12,765 --> 00:20:14,347
♪ ♪

465
00:20:14,348 --> 00:20:18,015
- You know, David had great,
grand ideas.

466
00:20:18,016 --> 00:20:20,723
To become well-known,
famous,

467
00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:22,806
was for him, initially,

468
00:20:22,807 --> 00:20:24,890
was to have the resources

469
00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:27,472
to realize what his ideas were.

470
00:20:27,473 --> 00:20:29,890
He really does come from
that spirit.

471
00:20:29,891 --> 00:20:33,098
Um, he just didn't
want to be famous per se.

472
00:20:36,141 --> 00:20:40,098
♪ ♪

473
00:20:40,099 --> 00:20:42,890
- ♪ Da-da-da-da ♪

474
00:20:42,891 --> 00:20:45,890
I just wanted to make
a really big name for myself.

475
00:20:45,891 --> 00:20:48,306
I wanted to make a mark.

476
00:20:48,307 --> 00:20:51,098
♪ Just look through
your window ♪

477
00:20:51,099 --> 00:20:54,723
♪ Look who sits outside ♪

478
00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:57,389
- David had quite an edgy
personality.

479
00:20:57,390 --> 00:21:01,056
He was intrigued by edgy stuff.

480
00:21:01,057 --> 00:21:02,806
He wanted to do many things.

481
00:21:02,807 --> 00:21:04,931
He loved the idea of theater.

482
00:21:04,932 --> 00:21:06,931
He loved the idea of acting.

483
00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:09,347
He loved the idea
of working with actors.

484
00:21:09,348 --> 00:21:11,389
- ♪ Ah ♪

485
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:12,973
♪ Beautiful baby ♪

486
00:21:12,974 --> 00:21:14,764
♪ And my heart's aflame ♪

487
00:21:14,765 --> 00:21:16,598
♪ I'll love you till Tuesday ♪

488
00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:18,140
♪ My head's in a whirl ♪

489
00:21:18,141 --> 00:21:21,056
♪ And I'll love you
till Tuesday ♪

490
00:21:21,057 --> 00:21:23,639
- He loved the idea of
working with musicians.

491
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,472
Being one himself,

492
00:21:25,473 --> 00:21:27,140
he always

493
00:21:27,141 --> 00:21:31,306
was looking right and left,
or over his shoulder,

494
00:21:31,307 --> 00:21:33,015
uh, at what might be,

495
00:21:33,016 --> 00:21:35,015
or what--
"What could I do next."

496
00:21:36,932 --> 00:21:38,514
- It took me all the '60s

497
00:21:38,515 --> 00:21:40,639
to try everything
that I could think of

498
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,389
to find out exactly what it was

499
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:44,222
I wanted to do anyway,

500
00:21:44,223 --> 00:21:46,264
but just about
the end of the '60s,

501
00:21:46,265 --> 00:21:47,931
it just started
to come together.

502
00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:52,306
♪ Strange games
they would play then ♪

503
00:21:52,307 --> 00:21:57,389
♪ No death for
the perfect men ♪

504
00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:03,556
♪ Life rolls
into one for them ♪

505
00:22:03,557 --> 00:22:06,056
♪ So softly ♪

506
00:22:06,057 --> 00:22:13,141
♪ A super-god cries ♪

507
00:22:13,348 --> 00:22:14,681
Through circumstances,

508
00:22:14,682 --> 00:22:15,973
I'd run into a drummer

509
00:22:15,974 --> 00:22:17,472
called John Cambridge,

510
00:22:17,473 --> 00:22:19,890
and Tony Visconti
and Mick Ronson,

511
00:22:19,891 --> 00:22:21,973
and we'd put together a band
called Hype.

512
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:24,556
It was probably
my first costume band.

513
00:22:24,557 --> 00:22:26,806
As far as I'm aware,
that was the very first

514
00:22:26,807 --> 00:22:28,848
so-called "glam rock" gig.

515
00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,056
♪ No pain of flesh ♪

516
00:22:30,057 --> 00:22:31,598
♪ No power too great ♪

517
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:33,015
- Hype was very important

518
00:22:33,016 --> 00:22:35,347
to David's development.

519
00:22:35,348 --> 00:22:37,015
This was the only way
he could see

520
00:22:37,016 --> 00:22:38,264
at that time

521
00:22:38,265 --> 00:22:40,723
that he could, uh,

522
00:22:40,724 --> 00:22:42,181
be famous, become famous,

523
00:22:42,182 --> 00:22:44,431
and become--
Become well-known,

524
00:22:44,432 --> 00:22:46,931
and it wasn't quite
the right incarnation,

525
00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:49,264
because he was not yet

526
00:22:49,265 --> 00:22:50,472
dyeing his hair orange,

527
00:22:50,473 --> 00:22:52,056
and he hadn't taken on

528
00:22:52,057 --> 00:22:53,848
the Ziggy persona yet.

529
00:22:53,849 --> 00:22:59,181
- ♪ And he was all right ♪

530
00:22:59,182 --> 00:23:02,181
♪ The band was all together ♪

531
00:23:02,182 --> 00:23:03,931
♪ Yes, he was ♪

532
00:23:03,932 --> 00:23:06,848
♪ All right ♪

533
00:23:06,849 --> 00:23:10,140
♪ The song went on forever ♪

534
00:23:10,141 --> 00:23:11,848
♪ And he was ♪

535
00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,598
♪ Awful nice ♪

536
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,890
♪ Really quite out of sight ♪
And he sang...

537
00:23:18,891 --> 00:23:22,098
- ♪ All ♪
- ♪ All night ♪

538
00:23:22,099 --> 00:23:24,306
♪ All night long ♪

539
00:23:24,307 --> 00:23:26,890
♪ ♪

540
00:23:26,891 --> 00:23:30,306
♪ Ooh, how I sighed ♪

541
00:23:30,307 --> 00:23:33,222
♪ When they asked
if I knew his name ♪

542
00:23:33,223 --> 00:23:35,181
♪ Oh, he was ♪

543
00:23:35,182 --> 00:23:37,723
- ♪ All ♪
- ♪ All right ♪

544
00:23:37,724 --> 00:23:39,347
The real characterization

545
00:23:39,348 --> 00:23:41,181
really didn't kick in
till the Ziggy.

546
00:23:41,182 --> 00:23:43,639
I mean, I was always
quite a shy kid,

547
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,556
and I didn't come alive
on stage.

548
00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:47,431
I just got even shier,

549
00:23:47,432 --> 00:23:49,222
but I found I didn't get so shy

550
00:23:49,223 --> 00:23:51,140
if I sort of adopted
a character,

551
00:23:51,141 --> 00:23:52,973
so it was a convenience

552
00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:55,098
as well as a very bright
theatrical idea.

553
00:23:56,682 --> 00:23:58,681
♪ Didn't know
what time it was ♪

554
00:23:58,682 --> 00:24:01,514
♪ Lights were low ♪

555
00:24:01,515 --> 00:24:03,598
♪ I leaned back ♪

556
00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,431
♪ On my radio ♪

557
00:24:06,432 --> 00:24:08,723
♪ Some cat was laying down
some ♪

558
00:24:08,724 --> 00:24:11,181
♪ Get it on
rock and roll ♪

559
00:24:11,182 --> 00:24:12,389
♪ He said ♪

560
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:13,973
♪ ♪

561
00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:18,806
♪ Then the loud sound
did seem to fade ♪

562
00:24:18,807 --> 00:24:20,890
♪ Came back like a slow voice ♪

563
00:24:20,891 --> 00:24:23,806
♪ On a wave
of phase haze ♪

564
00:24:23,807 --> 00:24:25,890
♪ That weren't no DJ ♪

565
00:24:25,891 --> 00:24:28,931
♪ That was hazy cosmic jive ♪

566
00:24:30,348 --> 00:24:31,598
♪ Uh-huh ♪

567
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:32,639
♪ ♪

568
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,764
♪ There's a starman ♪

569
00:24:35,765 --> 00:24:38,015
♪ Waiting in the sky ♪

570
00:24:38,016 --> 00:24:40,723
♪ He'd like to come
and meet us ♪

571
00:24:40,724 --> 00:24:42,931
♪ But he thinks
he'd blow our minds ♪

572
00:24:42,932 --> 00:24:45,890
♪ And there's a starman ♪

573
00:24:45,891 --> 00:24:48,431
♪ Waiting in the sky ♪

574
00:24:48,432 --> 00:24:50,598
♪ He told us not to blow it ♪

575
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:52,556
♪ 'Cause he knows
it's all worthwhile ♪

576
00:24:52,557 --> 00:24:56,389
♪ He told me
let the children use it ♪

577
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:58,931
♪ Let the children lose it ♪

578
00:24:58,932 --> 00:25:01,806
♪ Let all the children boogie ♪

579
00:25:01,807 --> 00:25:03,848
- Have you always wanted
to be a star?

580
00:25:03,849 --> 00:25:05,098
- Yeah.

581
00:25:05,099 --> 00:25:07,264
It's more than being a star.

582
00:25:07,265 --> 00:25:10,222
What it is, really,
is I want to be

583
00:25:10,223 --> 00:25:11,431
productive.

584
00:25:11,432 --> 00:25:13,389
I'm not content to be

585
00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:16,472
just a rock-and-roll star
all my life.

586
00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:20,056
I am trying to be one
at the moment,

587
00:25:20,057 --> 00:25:22,598
because I need it
for a particular reason,

588
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,556
so I can get off
and do other things.

589
00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:27,556
♪ There's a starman ♪

590
00:25:27,557 --> 00:25:29,181
♪ Waiting in the sky ♪

591
00:25:29,182 --> 00:25:32,098
♪ He told us not to blow it ♪

592
00:25:32,099 --> 00:25:34,264
♪ 'Cause he knows
it's all worthwhile ♪

593
00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:35,389
♪ He told me ♪

594
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:38,015
♪ Let the children use it ♪

595
00:25:38,016 --> 00:25:40,431
♪ Let the children lose it ♪

596
00:25:40,432 --> 00:25:42,764
♪ Let all the children boogie ♪

597
00:25:42,765 --> 00:25:43,848
♪ ♪

598
00:25:43,849 --> 00:25:46,806
- You could feel that David

599
00:25:46,807 --> 00:25:49,306
wanted to be the greatest artist

600
00:25:49,307 --> 00:25:51,598
and the next Elvis Presley.

601
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,639
You could feel it from
every pore of his body.

602
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,098
♪ ♪

603
00:25:58,099 --> 00:26:00,973
He would bring me
up to his suite

604
00:26:00,974 --> 00:26:05,222
and we would watch
Elvis Presley videos

605
00:26:05,223 --> 00:26:06,723
and Frank Sinatra,

606
00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:07,806
and we'd have discussions

607
00:26:07,807 --> 00:26:08,973
about it,

608
00:26:08,974 --> 00:26:10,681
and he would do certain moves,

609
00:26:10,682 --> 00:26:12,306
and does this seem right
and natural, all that.

610
00:26:12,307 --> 00:26:13,723
I mean, he was interested

611
00:26:13,724 --> 00:26:15,556
to look at those people

612
00:26:15,557 --> 00:26:17,389
and set such icons

613
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:19,890
as his goals.

614
00:26:19,891 --> 00:26:22,140
- Oh, yes,
David wanted to be famous.

615
00:26:22,141 --> 00:26:24,806
David wanted to be an icon

616
00:26:24,807 --> 00:26:26,514
like he is now.

617
00:26:26,515 --> 00:26:28,222
He would say things to me like

618
00:26:28,223 --> 00:26:30,806
"You have to be someone that

619
00:26:30,807 --> 00:26:32,389
"thousands and millions

620
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:33,639
"of people

621
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,514
"want to listen to

622
00:26:35,515 --> 00:26:37,556
and--and believe in."

623
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,973
♪ ♪

624
00:26:42,974 --> 00:26:44,639
But he once said, too,

625
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,347
that being super-successful

626
00:26:46,348 --> 00:26:48,514
was like living
in a goldfish bowl,

627
00:26:48,515 --> 00:26:49,806
and it was for him,

628
00:26:49,807 --> 00:26:50,973
because people became

629
00:26:50,974 --> 00:26:52,723
totally obsessed with him.

630
00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:55,181
- ♪ Fame makes a man ♪

631
00:26:55,182 --> 00:26:58,098
♪ Take things over ♪

632
00:26:58,099 --> 00:27:00,015
Do you know that feeling
you get in a car

633
00:27:00,016 --> 00:27:01,723
when someone's accelerating
very, very fast,

634
00:27:01,724 --> 00:27:03,431
and you're not driving,
and you get

635
00:27:03,432 --> 00:27:05,222
that thing in your chest
when you're being

636
00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,140
forced backwards,
and you think, "Ooh,"

637
00:27:07,141 --> 00:27:08,931
and you're not sure
whether you like it or not?

638
00:27:08,932 --> 00:27:10,181
It's that kind of feeling.

639
00:27:10,182 --> 00:27:11,472
That's what success was like.

640
00:27:11,473 --> 00:27:13,598
The first thrust

641
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,973
of being totally unknown,

642
00:27:15,974 --> 00:27:18,056
to being what seemed to be

643
00:27:18,057 --> 00:27:19,973
very quickly known.

644
00:27:19,974 --> 00:27:21,931
It was very frightening for me.

645
00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:24,140
♪ Fame puts you there ♪

646
00:27:24,141 --> 00:27:25,723
♪ Where things are hollow ♪

647
00:27:25,724 --> 00:27:28,723
♪ ♪

648
00:27:28,724 --> 00:27:31,848
- I'm not sure if
he can handle it consistently,

649
00:27:31,849 --> 00:27:35,389
because it is a
demanding mistress

650
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:37,639
that doesn't take "no"
for an answer

651
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,306
and is on-call 24 hours,

652
00:27:39,307 --> 00:27:41,056
and so it makes you

653
00:27:41,057 --> 00:27:42,347
a little bit more paranoid

654
00:27:42,348 --> 00:27:43,931
than you used to, doesn't it?

655
00:27:43,932 --> 00:27:46,181
And now we're being looked upon

656
00:27:46,182 --> 00:27:49,306
as we have to deliver something.

657
00:27:49,307 --> 00:27:51,015
The minute you go outside,
"Ooh, let me look

658
00:27:51,016 --> 00:27:52,723
a certain way.
I'm famous now."

659
00:27:52,724 --> 00:27:54,890
- ♪ Fame ♪

660
00:27:54,891 --> 00:27:57,890
- ♪ What you need
is in the limo ♪

661
00:27:57,891 --> 00:27:59,973
- ♪ Fame ♪

662
00:27:59,974 --> 00:28:04,056
- ♪ What you get
is no tomorrow ♪

663
00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:05,598
- ♪ Fame ♪

664
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,973
- ♪ What you need
you have to borrow ♪

665
00:28:08,974 --> 00:28:11,181
- ♪ Fame ♪
- ♪ Fame ♪

666
00:28:11,182 --> 00:28:14,222
♪ ♪

667
00:28:14,223 --> 00:28:16,222
- ♪ Fame ♪
- ♪ Mine, it's mine ♪

668
00:28:16,223 --> 00:28:17,514
♪ Is just his line ♪

669
00:28:17,515 --> 00:28:19,347
♪ To bind you to crime ♪

670
00:28:19,348 --> 00:28:22,098
- ♪ Crime ♪
- ♪ Crime ♪

671
00:28:22,099 --> 00:28:24,681
- Do I have to do it for, uh...

672
00:28:24,682 --> 00:28:26,056
- Because this rock-star
thing--

673
00:28:26,057 --> 00:28:27,222
You once described it as being

674
00:28:27,223 --> 00:28:28,514
a "dreadful existence."

675
00:28:28,515 --> 00:28:29,890
- In a sort of, um,

676
00:28:29,891 --> 00:28:32,056
a very luxuriant
mental hospital...

677
00:28:32,057 --> 00:28:33,347
- So you can rehearse in...

678
00:28:33,348 --> 00:28:34,556
- Where you're sort of

679
00:28:34,557 --> 00:28:37,347
put in a padded room

680
00:28:37,348 --> 00:28:39,347
and meals are brought to you,
and the only time

681
00:28:39,348 --> 00:28:41,098
you're sort of let out
on your lead

682
00:28:41,099 --> 00:28:43,181
is when you're supposed to go
and earn money for

683
00:28:43,182 --> 00:28:45,472
just about everybody else
except yourself.

684
00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:47,389
♪ Is it any wonder ♪

685
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:50,347
♪ I reject you first? ♪

686
00:28:50,348 --> 00:28:52,973
♪ Fame, fame, fame, fame ♪

687
00:28:52,974 --> 00:28:56,098
♪ Fame ♪

688
00:28:56,099 --> 00:28:58,015
♪ Is it any wonder ♪

689
00:28:58,016 --> 00:29:00,556
♪ You're far too cool to fool ♪

690
00:29:00,557 --> 00:29:02,514
♪ Fame ♪
- ♪ Fame ♪

691
00:29:02,515 --> 00:29:04,806
- Did David enjoy being a star?

692
00:29:04,807 --> 00:29:07,264
I would say what he said to me.

693
00:29:07,265 --> 00:29:08,764
"It's great

694
00:29:08,765 --> 00:29:11,681
"when you want to get tickets
for a concert,

695
00:29:11,682 --> 00:29:14,681
"when you want to get backstage
and see your friends,

696
00:29:14,682 --> 00:29:17,347
"or if you want a good table
at a restaurant,

697
00:29:17,348 --> 00:29:20,015
but the rest of the time,
it's a pain in the ass."

698
00:29:20,016 --> 00:29:21,389
And I think that's

699
00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:23,639
pretty much a verbatim quote.

700
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,015
I watched him deal with it

701
00:29:26,016 --> 00:29:27,431
too many times.

702
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,723
That was his view on it.

703
00:29:30,724 --> 00:29:32,098
- I didn't--we didn't--

704
00:29:32,099 --> 00:29:35,848
- I find this
an incredible intrusion.

705
00:29:35,849 --> 00:29:38,431
Fuck off.

706
00:29:38,432 --> 00:29:39,931
- That's the--you know
that's the only bit

707
00:29:39,932 --> 00:29:40,973
we're gonna use, don't you?

708
00:29:40,974 --> 00:29:43,598
- Yeah.

709
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,264
I know when to pick me lines.

710
00:29:48,932 --> 00:29:50,264
Yeah, that's better.

711
00:29:50,265 --> 00:29:51,848
♪ ♪

712
00:29:51,849 --> 00:29:54,764
- Once he experienced the fame,

713
00:29:54,765 --> 00:29:58,347
and all that comes with that,

714
00:29:58,348 --> 00:30:01,098
I think he was done with it.

715
00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:03,931
And he was done with it,

716
00:30:03,932 --> 00:30:05,890
and I think he realized

717
00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:07,431
he made a deal with the devil

718
00:30:07,432 --> 00:30:09,306
and it'd be the rest of his life

719
00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:10,723
trying to undo that.

720
00:30:10,724 --> 00:30:12,056
♪ ♪

721
00:30:12,057 --> 00:30:13,347
- Happy hump day, Phil.

722
00:30:13,348 --> 00:30:16,222
- Ha! I didn't get humped. You?

723
00:30:16,223 --> 00:30:18,931
- Yeah.

724
00:30:18,932 --> 00:30:21,098
- Some people, huh?
They just get lost.

725
00:30:21,099 --> 00:30:22,598
- Well, it's more exciting

726
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,931
than anything we've got
around here.

727
00:30:24,932 --> 00:30:28,140
- Well, I wouldn't say that.

728
00:30:28,141 --> 00:30:30,764
We have a nice life.

729
00:30:30,765 --> 00:30:32,598
- We have a nice life.

730
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,056
- The idea that he had for

731
00:30:34,057 --> 00:30:36,639
"The Stars Are Out Tonight"
video

732
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,723
was that there were celebrities

733
00:30:38,724 --> 00:30:41,764
that were stalking normal people

734
00:30:41,765 --> 00:30:43,306
to study them,

735
00:30:43,307 --> 00:30:45,806
and then he whipped out
the photograph

736
00:30:45,807 --> 00:30:47,723
of Tilda Swinton,

737
00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:48,931
and I was like,

738
00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:50,140
"Okay, that's fantastic."

739
00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:51,389
You know, him and Tilda

740
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,681
were to play the normal couple.

741
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:58,306
David really wanted to play up

742
00:30:58,307 --> 00:30:59,806
the androgyny card,

743
00:30:59,807 --> 00:31:01,347
because, you know, I mean,

744
00:31:01,348 --> 00:31:03,306
he is the androgynous being

745
00:31:03,307 --> 00:31:05,056
that we've grown up with.

746
00:31:05,057 --> 00:31:06,598
♪ ♪

747
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,890
So I cast boys
in the girl's parts

748
00:31:08,891 --> 00:31:10,598
and girls in the boy's parts.

749
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,681
- ♪ Are never sleeping ♪

750
00:31:12,682 --> 00:31:14,973
- At that stage, I think he was

751
00:31:14,974 --> 00:31:16,514
able to definitely

752
00:31:16,515 --> 00:31:18,681
sit back and reflect on

753
00:31:18,682 --> 00:31:20,890
what fame meant,

754
00:31:20,891 --> 00:31:23,056
and I think that song, in a way,

755
00:31:23,057 --> 00:31:24,639
is kind of like--
That's why it's

756
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,222
"the stars are never
sleeping."

757
00:31:26,223 --> 00:31:27,848
It's like, you can't escape it.

758
00:31:27,849 --> 00:31:30,347
- ♪ They know just what
we do ♪

759
00:31:30,348 --> 00:31:34,514
♪ That we toss and turn
at night ♪

760
00:31:34,515 --> 00:31:38,015
♪ They're waiting to make
their moves ♪

761
00:31:38,016 --> 00:31:41,222
♪ For the stars are out
tonight ♪

762
00:31:41,223 --> 00:31:44,806
- ♪ Tonight ♪

763
00:31:44,807 --> 00:31:47,056
- Eventually,
the celebrities--

764
00:31:47,057 --> 00:31:48,472
They are in their home.

765
00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:51,556
And when they come
into the home,

766
00:31:51,557 --> 00:31:54,222
there's a transfer
that happens...

767
00:31:54,223 --> 00:31:56,389
♪ ♪

768
00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:59,472
And now, the normal people

769
00:31:59,473 --> 00:32:01,556
are dressed like celebrity,

770
00:32:01,557 --> 00:32:04,389
and the celebrities
have succeeded

771
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,098
in becoming the normal people.

772
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,681
You know, as an artist,
you collect things,

773
00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:10,890
and he's had years of

774
00:32:10,891 --> 00:32:12,056
not having to put things out,

775
00:32:12,057 --> 00:32:13,723
and so he's collecting things

776
00:32:13,724 --> 00:32:15,264
he wants to sort of

777
00:32:15,265 --> 00:32:17,098
hold up a mirror and say,

778
00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:18,181
"Hey, look at this over here.

779
00:32:18,182 --> 00:32:19,389
Look at this over here,"

780
00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:20,598
and, you know, comment on it,

781
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:21,931
but make it, you know,

782
00:32:21,932 --> 00:32:23,098
in an artistic way.

783
00:32:23,099 --> 00:32:26,806
♪ ♪

784
00:32:26,807 --> 00:32:29,431
- ♪ The stars are out
tonight ♪

785
00:32:29,432 --> 00:32:31,848
♪ Living ♪

786
00:32:31,849 --> 00:32:38,764
♪ ♪

787
00:32:38,765 --> 00:32:40,098
- Do you ever look back?

788
00:32:40,099 --> 00:32:42,764
- Uh, only with fond amusement,

789
00:32:42,765 --> 00:32:44,098
you know, 'cause I've done

790
00:32:44,099 --> 00:32:45,764
such a lot of work in 40 years

791
00:32:45,765 --> 00:32:47,056
and it's only recently

792
00:32:47,057 --> 00:32:48,472
that maybe I've started to

793
00:32:48,473 --> 00:32:50,264
write in a kind of, uh,

794
00:32:50,265 --> 00:32:51,848
autobiographical way,

795
00:32:51,849 --> 00:32:53,931
and this maybe something
to do with age

796
00:32:53,932 --> 00:32:56,056
and the way that one matures.

797
00:32:56,057 --> 00:33:03,141
♪ ♪

798
00:33:06,265 --> 00:33:07,472
- Then...

799
00:33:07,473 --> 00:33:08,973
♪ ♪

800
00:33:08,974 --> 00:33:10,264
I don't recall

801
00:33:10,265 --> 00:33:11,472
David on the sessions

802
00:33:11,473 --> 00:33:12,890
really talking a lot about

803
00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:14,140
being old.

804
00:33:14,141 --> 00:33:15,472
I think maybe he would joke that

805
00:33:15,473 --> 00:33:17,306
he would wear his slippers,
you know.

806
00:33:17,307 --> 00:33:19,431
He had his slippers
brought down,

807
00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,306
and he would pop his slip--
You know,

808
00:33:21,307 --> 00:33:22,973
when he got to the studio,
he would pop his slippers on.

809
00:33:22,974 --> 00:33:25,306
We made a few jokes about that.

810
00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,931
- ♪ Where are we now? ♪

811
00:33:27,932 --> 00:33:31,306
♪ Where are we now? ♪

812
00:33:31,307 --> 00:33:33,556
♪ ♪

813
00:33:33,557 --> 00:33:36,681
- So David came in
with a piano demo

814
00:33:38,682 --> 00:33:41,931
This was the DB piano--
David Bowie piano.

815
00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:44,681
♪ ♪

816
00:33:44,682 --> 00:33:46,347
It's got a combination of piano

817
00:33:46,348 --> 00:33:48,347
and strings on the patch.

818
00:33:48,348 --> 00:33:50,264
I couldn't take the strings off,

819
00:33:50,265 --> 00:33:51,681
so those strings are

820
00:33:51,682 --> 00:33:53,514
him playing at home.

821
00:33:53,515 --> 00:33:55,472
♪ ♪

822
00:33:55,473 --> 00:33:57,015
- We found
this kind of atmosphere

823
00:33:57,016 --> 00:33:58,181
in the demo.

824
00:33:58,182 --> 00:33:59,848
The next time we played that,

825
00:33:59,849 --> 00:34:01,347
it was when we went
in the studio

826
00:34:01,348 --> 00:34:02,681
and Zack was there.

827
00:34:02,682 --> 00:34:03,848
♪ ♪

828
00:34:03,849 --> 00:34:06,556
- I should add the drum.

829
00:34:06,557 --> 00:34:08,848
♪ ♪

830
00:34:08,849 --> 00:34:10,389
- David's instruction,
I remember,

831
00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:13,264
specifically was,

832
00:34:13,265 --> 00:34:16,472
"One...

833
00:34:16,473 --> 00:34:17,681
One."

834
00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,347
He just said,
"Emphasize the one,"

835
00:34:19,348 --> 00:34:20,764
so...

836
00:34:23,891 --> 00:34:28,389
♪ ♪

837
00:34:28,390 --> 00:34:30,347
- If I add David,

838
00:34:30,348 --> 00:34:32,264
it's practically it.

839
00:34:32,265 --> 00:34:38,264
♪ ♪

840
00:34:38,265 --> 00:34:39,472
That's...

841
00:34:39,473 --> 00:34:41,598
- ♪ Where are we now? ♪

842
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,306
♪ Where are we now? ♪

843
00:34:45,307 --> 00:34:51,389
♪ ♪

844
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,931
♪ The moment you know ♪

845
00:34:53,932 --> 00:34:57,431
♪ You know you know ♪

846
00:34:57,432 --> 00:34:59,556
- Out of the blue,
he called me up

847
00:34:59,557 --> 00:35:03,389
and said he'd like
to talk to me about something.

848
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,681
He explained this situation,

849
00:35:05,682 --> 00:35:08,723
that he had been secretly
working on this track,

850
00:35:08,724 --> 00:35:10,681
and I was like,
"Oh, that's fantastic."

851
00:35:10,682 --> 00:35:11,931
You know,

852
00:35:11,932 --> 00:35:13,472
"What do I have to do with it?"

853
00:35:13,473 --> 00:35:14,723
and he goes, "Well,
I'd like you to make

854
00:35:14,724 --> 00:35:15,931
the video for that."

855
00:35:15,932 --> 00:35:17,472
♪ ♪

856
00:35:17,473 --> 00:35:19,973
Oh, that's quite a task,
you know?

857
00:35:19,974 --> 00:35:21,472
I was thinking

858
00:35:21,473 --> 00:35:23,389
this big-budget video,
you know,

859
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:25,598
and I was thinking,
"God, to do this justice,

860
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:26,973
"you know, it has to be this

861
00:35:26,974 --> 00:35:29,222
"momentous video, you know,

862
00:35:29,223 --> 00:35:30,764
"that's gonna break the silence

863
00:35:30,765 --> 00:35:33,140
of all these years," you know,

864
00:35:33,141 --> 00:35:34,723
and David said,

865
00:35:34,724 --> 00:35:36,140
"No, I want to do it, like,

866
00:35:36,141 --> 00:35:37,639
"in your studio.

867
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,931
"It'll be these figures.

868
00:35:39,932 --> 00:35:41,723
Very simple, rough."

869
00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:49,389
♪ ♪

870
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:52,264
- These figures were
something I was making

871
00:35:52,265 --> 00:35:54,723
like, fairly exclusively,

872
00:35:54,724 --> 00:35:56,764
and did a number of exhibitions
of them,

873
00:35:56,765 --> 00:35:59,973
and David, of course,
loved these figures.

874
00:35:59,974 --> 00:36:01,764
You know.

875
00:36:01,765 --> 00:36:03,931
- ♪ Just walk in the day ♪

876
00:36:03,932 --> 00:36:06,514
- I did a rough sketch,
and I was like,

877
00:36:06,515 --> 00:36:08,472
"This is what
you had in mind, right?"

878
00:36:08,473 --> 00:36:11,639
This rough-hewn stretched face,
you know.

879
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,764
It's not very flattering,

880
00:36:13,765 --> 00:36:16,472
but that's exactly
what he wanted

881
00:36:16,473 --> 00:36:19,140
to look actually beyond

882
00:36:19,141 --> 00:36:22,056
what the years had done to him.

883
00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,973
It's a strange--
You know, through the...

884
00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:26,639
Here, he's leaving.

885
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,181
He's had enough.

886
00:36:30,682 --> 00:36:34,181
He's like,
"Stop going on about my face."

887
00:36:34,182 --> 00:36:37,723
- ♪ Where are we now ♪

888
00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:40,347
- So the idea was that

889
00:36:40,348 --> 00:36:42,181
he wanted all this stuff

890
00:36:42,182 --> 00:36:44,514
in the studio situation,

891
00:36:44,515 --> 00:36:47,181
and we kind of arranged things
around

892
00:36:47,182 --> 00:36:50,098
and we talked about transparency

893
00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:51,556
and reflection,

894
00:36:51,557 --> 00:36:54,681
and as this was coming together,

895
00:36:54,682 --> 00:36:57,848
I said to him, "You know,

896
00:36:57,849 --> 00:37:00,682
people can read into
every part of this."

897
00:37:26,682 --> 00:37:31,431
- This one is perhaps the most
deliberately

898
00:37:31,432 --> 00:37:34,973
a nostalgic look into his past,

899
00:37:34,974 --> 00:37:38,306
and, um, he's talking about
all the old places...

900
00:37:38,307 --> 00:37:41,056
- Yeah.
- That he frequented in Berlin,

901
00:37:41,057 --> 00:37:42,806
and it's deliberately sad.

902
00:37:42,807 --> 00:37:45,472
He's in the latter part
of his life.

903
00:37:45,473 --> 00:37:47,056
Those days are gone.

904
00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:48,264
- Yeah.

905
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:53,639
♪ ♪

906
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,598
- Berlin was the first freedom
I'd had from

907
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:00,098
all the so-called
trappings of, uh, celebrity

908
00:38:00,099 --> 00:38:02,723
and, uh--and my own problems.

909
00:38:02,724 --> 00:38:05,098
Really, I'm quite fond of

910
00:38:05,099 --> 00:38:07,347
that freedom that it gave me.

911
00:38:07,348 --> 00:38:09,264
♪ ♪

912
00:38:09,265 --> 00:38:12,472
I put myself in
a very anonymous situation

913
00:38:12,473 --> 00:38:16,015
in a quite working-class part
of Berlin, Turkish area,

914
00:38:16,016 --> 00:38:18,264
and started to live
a different life,

915
00:38:18,265 --> 00:38:20,514
and I tried to distance myself

916
00:38:20,515 --> 00:38:22,764
from the very drug-oriented
lifestyle

917
00:38:22,765 --> 00:38:24,015
that I'd been leading.

918
00:38:24,016 --> 00:38:27,890
♪ Had to get the train ♪

919
00:38:27,891 --> 00:38:31,681
♪ From Potsdamer Platz ♪

920
00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:33,973
It was just a tremendous
place to be,

921
00:38:33,974 --> 00:38:36,639
and the music was
some of the most rewarding,

922
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,389
for me as an artist, in my life.

923
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:40,056
♪ ♪

924
00:38:40,057 --> 00:38:41,556
♪ I ♪

925
00:38:41,557 --> 00:38:43,140
♪ ♪

926
00:38:43,141 --> 00:38:45,723
♪ I will be king ♪

927
00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:49,015
♪ ♪

928
00:38:49,016 --> 00:38:52,056
♪ And you ♪

929
00:38:52,057 --> 00:38:54,723
♪ You will be queen ♪

930
00:38:54,724 --> 00:38:57,347
♪ ♪

931
00:38:57,348 --> 00:38:59,806
♪ Though nothing ♪

932
00:38:59,807 --> 00:39:01,015
♪ ♪

933
00:39:01,016 --> 00:39:03,472
♪ Will drive them away ♪

934
00:39:03,473 --> 00:39:06,347
♪ ♪

935
00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,264
♪ We can beat them ♪

936
00:39:08,265 --> 00:39:09,931
♪ ♪

937
00:39:09,932 --> 00:39:11,931
♪ Forever and ever ♪

938
00:39:11,932 --> 00:39:14,347
♪ ♪

939
00:39:14,348 --> 00:39:16,347
♪ Oh, we can be heroes ♪

940
00:39:16,348 --> 00:39:19,140
♪ ♪

941
00:39:19,141 --> 00:39:21,347
♪ Just for one day ♪

942
00:39:21,348 --> 00:39:24,681
♪ ♪

943
00:39:24,682 --> 00:39:28,306
♪ I ♪

944
00:39:28,307 --> 00:39:30,222
♪ I can remember ♪

945
00:39:30,223 --> 00:39:32,723
- ♪ I remember ♪

946
00:39:32,724 --> 00:39:37,181
- ♪ Standing ♪

947
00:39:37,182 --> 00:39:39,015
♪ By the wall ♪

948
00:39:39,016 --> 00:39:41,347
- But you can't read
"Where Are We Now?"

949
00:39:41,348 --> 00:39:45,723
as just a nostalgic story
about Berlin at all.

950
00:39:45,724 --> 00:39:47,639
You know?
But I mean, really,

951
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,723
it's much more how memories

952
00:39:50,724 --> 00:39:54,764
affect the way
we move forward or not.

953
00:39:58,307 --> 00:40:00,389
- The Song for Norway
T-shirt--

954
00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:02,098
I said, "That's very cheeky,"

955
00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:03,306
and he goes, "I know."

956
00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:04,556
It was something like that.

957
00:40:04,557 --> 00:40:06,472
And, uh, he never explained

958
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,723
why he wore it.

959
00:40:07,724 --> 00:40:10,681
♪ ♪

960
00:40:10,682 --> 00:40:13,264
- The name is
Hermione Farthingale,

961
00:40:13,265 --> 00:40:15,015
and I absolutely adored her.

962
00:40:15,016 --> 00:40:17,931
I mean, she was the real
first love in my life,

963
00:40:17,932 --> 00:40:19,848
and she was a ballet dancer

964
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:21,848
and, uh, a very good
I--singer,

965
00:40:21,849 --> 00:40:24,056
and, uh, she played
a little bit of

966
00:40:24,057 --> 00:40:25,890
bed/sitting room guitar.

967
00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:27,890
You know, that kind of
folk guitar that every girl

968
00:40:27,891 --> 00:40:29,890
could--that looked beautiful
could play in those--

969
00:40:29,891 --> 00:40:32,056
I don't know why,
but all the beautiful girls

970
00:40:32,057 --> 00:40:36,514
could play a little bit of
acoustic guitar.

971
00:40:36,515 --> 00:40:40,222
She was doing a film
called "Song of Norway,"

972
00:40:40,223 --> 00:40:41,931
and she fell in love with one of

973
00:40:41,932 --> 00:40:44,389
the actors on it,
and she left me for him

974
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:48,306
God, I didn't get over that
for such a long time.

975
00:40:48,307 --> 00:40:51,181
It really broke me up.

976
00:40:51,182 --> 00:40:54,015
- I did see David when

977
00:40:54,016 --> 00:40:55,556
he'd just separated from her,

978
00:40:55,557 --> 00:40:58,472
and he was very, very upset.

979
00:40:58,473 --> 00:41:00,181
I think it was also

980
00:41:00,182 --> 00:41:01,389
he was working with her,

981
00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:02,598
so it was a double thing

982
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,264
that he'd lost his girlfriend

983
00:41:04,265 --> 00:41:06,472
and he'd lost someone in his--

984
00:41:06,473 --> 00:41:08,264
In his, uh, band.

985
00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:09,764
I don't know which one
was the worse,

986
00:41:09,765 --> 00:41:11,264
to be honest, but, uh,

987
00:41:11,265 --> 00:41:13,015
yeah, it hit him pretty hard.

988
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,347
- I think he wanted to
release something

989
00:41:18,348 --> 00:41:20,639
that would cause
a lot of ripples

990
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,639
and, uh, question marks
all around,

991
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,432
and he was able to get that
with this.

992
00:41:30,849 --> 00:41:33,472
♪ ♪

993
00:41:33,473 --> 00:41:35,931
- ♪ As long as there's sun ♪

994
00:41:35,932 --> 00:41:39,348
♪ ♪

995
00:41:42,724 --> 00:41:45,140
♪ ♪

996
00:41:45,141 --> 00:41:48,140
♪ As long as there's rain ♪

997
00:41:48,141 --> 00:41:50,890
♪ ♪

998
00:41:50,891 --> 00:41:54,222
♪ As long as there's fire ♪

999
00:41:54,223 --> 00:41:56,806
♪ ♪

1000
00:41:56,807 --> 00:41:59,764
♪ As long as there's fire ♪

1001
00:41:59,765 --> 00:42:01,514
- I knew this was about Berlin,

1002
00:42:01,515 --> 00:42:03,472
and I thought it was
really, really sweet

1003
00:42:03,473 --> 00:42:06,431
and quite nostalgic, but, uh,

1004
00:42:06,432 --> 00:42:08,931
the thing that really
made me teary-eyed

1005
00:42:08,932 --> 00:42:12,389
was when I saw the video for it.

1006
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:13,681
Oh, my gosh.

1007
00:42:13,682 --> 00:42:15,098
You know, I thought,

1008
00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:16,931
"I'd never expect him
to look back.

1009
00:42:16,932 --> 00:42:18,806
You know, this is
a new thing for him."

1010
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:28,891
♪ ♪

1011
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:39,598
- I think, because of
my orientation

1012
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,723
towards the apocalyptic,

1013
00:42:41,724 --> 00:42:43,931
I think it rather hones that

1014
00:42:43,932 --> 00:42:47,056
low-level anxiety,

1015
00:42:47,057 --> 00:42:48,389
especially the--you know,

1016
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:50,431
the event of a new child.

1017
00:42:50,432 --> 00:42:53,598
My daughter really sort of
focused my

1018
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,598
fears and apprehensions.

1019
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,681
I mean, what a disappointing
21st century

1020
00:42:58,682 --> 00:43:01,723
this has been so far, you know?

1021
00:43:01,724 --> 00:43:08,765
♪ ♪

1022
00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:21,056
- I have to say,
this track has swagger.

1023
00:43:21,057 --> 00:43:23,140
All this loose playing--
It's all on purpose.

1024
00:43:23,141 --> 00:43:26,306
But we didn't want it
to get too fancy,

1025
00:43:26,307 --> 00:43:28,931
and it had to sound like
a bunch of high school kids

1026
00:43:28,932 --> 00:43:30,681
playing their instruments.

1027
00:43:30,682 --> 00:43:37,765
♪ ♪

1028
00:43:38,223 --> 00:43:39,931
Very, very cheesy-sounding,

1029
00:43:39,932 --> 00:43:41,723
but perfect for this song,

1030
00:43:41,724 --> 00:43:43,431
because of the lyrical content
of the song,

1031
00:43:43,432 --> 00:43:45,764
about this, you know,
person called Valentine

1032
00:43:45,765 --> 00:43:48,514
who, uh, is a mass murderer.

1033
00:43:48,515 --> 00:43:51,806
♪ ♪

1034
00:43:51,807 --> 00:43:54,264
- I mean, "Valentine's Day,"

1035
00:43:54,265 --> 00:43:55,764
from a musical point of view,

1036
00:43:55,765 --> 00:43:57,514
that's--that is way old.

1037
00:43:57,515 --> 00:43:58,848
That's like, old-school.

1038
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:59,931
All those chord changes,

1039
00:43:59,932 --> 00:44:01,264
that whole thing.

1040
00:44:01,265 --> 00:44:03,347
But if you listen to the lyrics,

1041
00:44:03,348 --> 00:44:04,931
there's subject matter there.

1042
00:44:04,932 --> 00:44:10,306
- ♪ Valentine told me
who's to go ♪

1043
00:44:10,307 --> 00:44:16,222
♪ ♪

1044
00:44:16,223 --> 00:44:21,140
♪ Feelings he's treasured
most of all ♪

1045
00:44:21,141 --> 00:44:23,472
- There had been
a number of incidents

1046
00:44:23,473 --> 00:44:25,389
prior to creating this song

1047
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,140
that had moved him.

1048
00:44:27,141 --> 00:44:28,639
I think he was really troubled

1049
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,347
by this trend of

1050
00:44:30,348 --> 00:44:32,264
people going and shooting kids.

1051
00:44:32,265 --> 00:44:36,140
- ♪ The teachers
and the football star ♪

1052
00:44:36,141 --> 00:44:38,431
♪ ♪

1053
00:44:38,432 --> 00:44:41,639
♪ It's in his tiny face ♪

1054
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,890
♪ ♪

1055
00:44:43,891 --> 00:44:46,514
♪ It's in his scrawny hand ♪

1056
00:44:46,515 --> 00:44:48,806
♪ ♪

1057
00:44:48,807 --> 00:44:51,973
♪ Valentine told me so ♪

1058
00:44:51,974 --> 00:44:54,389
♪ He's got something to say ♪

1059
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:59,140
♪ It's Valentine's Day ♪

1060
00:44:59,141 --> 00:45:01,015
- But he really wanted
to bring the audience

1061
00:45:01,016 --> 00:45:03,140
into the mind of that killer,

1062
00:45:03,141 --> 00:45:05,222
and, uh, that transition

1063
00:45:05,223 --> 00:45:08,098
from sort of
the David that we know

1064
00:45:08,099 --> 00:45:10,015
to this other character

1065
00:45:10,016 --> 00:45:12,848
that he was inhabiting
in this song

1066
00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:15,056
was, uh, very shocking, really.

1067
00:45:15,057 --> 00:45:16,639
♪ ♪

1068
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,848
- ♪ Valentine told me
how he'd feel ♪

1069
00:45:20,849 --> 00:45:25,681
♪ ♪

1070
00:45:25,682 --> 00:45:26,806
- ♪ Ooh ♪

1071
00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,890
- ♪ If all the world ♪

1072
00:45:28,891 --> 00:45:31,931
♪ Were under his heels ♪

1073
00:45:31,932 --> 00:45:33,598
- Being right there
in front of him

1074
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,222
and seeing him pull this
out of himself--

1075
00:45:36,223 --> 00:45:37,556
You know, it was a--

1076
00:45:37,557 --> 00:45:40,639
It was quite terrifying
to watch.

1077
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,306
- ♪ His tiny face ♪

1078
00:45:42,307 --> 00:45:43,598
♪ ♪

1079
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,181
♪ It's in his scrawny hands ♪

1080
00:45:47,182 --> 00:45:50,723
- I really wanted to introduce
a weapon into the video,

1081
00:45:50,724 --> 00:45:52,389
and David was really against it.

1082
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:53,764
He didn't want any guns,

1083
00:45:53,765 --> 00:45:55,556
he didn't want any blood.

1084
00:45:55,557 --> 00:45:57,931
But he was very much aware of

1085
00:45:57,932 --> 00:46:00,181
making a statement about
gun control,

1086
00:46:00,182 --> 00:46:03,639
and the importance of that,
in his own style.

1087
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,598
- To defeat the divisive forces

1088
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,431
that would take freedom away,

1089
00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,931
I want to say
those fighting words...

1090
00:46:10,932 --> 00:46:11,932
♪ ♪

1091
00:46:11,933 --> 00:46:15,056
"From my cold, dead hands."

1092
00:46:17,557 --> 00:46:20,514
- ♪ It's in his scrawny hand ♪

1093
00:46:20,515 --> 00:46:23,598
♪ It's in his icy heart ♪

1094
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,431
♪ It's happening today ♪

1095
00:46:25,432 --> 00:46:28,723
♪ Valentine, Valentine ♪

1096
00:46:28,724 --> 00:46:30,931
- He was very interested
in society.

1097
00:46:30,932 --> 00:46:33,431
You know,
what makes people operate,

1098
00:46:33,432 --> 00:46:35,472
what makes societies operate,

1099
00:46:35,473 --> 00:46:38,764
and that was one of his
less cryptic

1100
00:46:38,765 --> 00:46:42,264
and more straight-up lyrics
that he's ever written.

1101
00:46:45,265 --> 00:46:46,973
- I'm not an original thinker.

1102
00:46:46,974 --> 00:46:49,890
What I'm best at doing
is, uh, synthesizing

1103
00:46:49,891 --> 00:46:52,848
those things in society
or culture

1104
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:54,681
refracting those things

1105
00:46:54,682 --> 00:46:57,264
and producing some kind of glob

1106
00:46:57,265 --> 00:47:00,639
of how it is that we live
at this particular time.

1107
00:47:04,265 --> 00:47:09,347
♪ Pushing through
the market square ♪

1108
00:47:09,348 --> 00:47:16,140
♪ So many mothers crying ♪

1109
00:47:16,141 --> 00:47:19,306
♪ News had just come over ♪

1110
00:47:19,307 --> 00:47:22,264
♪ ♪

1111
00:47:22,265 --> 00:47:26,140
♪ We had five years left
to sigh in ♪

1112
00:47:26,141 --> 00:47:28,931
♪ ♪

1113
00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:32,681
♪ News guy wept
when he told us ♪

1114
00:47:32,682 --> 00:47:35,015
♪ ♪

1115
00:47:35,016 --> 00:47:37,598
♪ Earth was really dying ♪

1116
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,681
♪ ♪

1117
00:47:41,682 --> 00:47:46,056
♪ Cried so much
that his face was wet ♪

1118
00:47:46,057 --> 00:47:49,514
♪ That I knew
he was not lying ♪

1119
00:47:49,515 --> 00:47:51,098
♪ ♪

1120
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:53,264
- He let you know
something's not right here.

1121
00:47:53,265 --> 00:47:54,890
So that's the best I knew.

1122
00:47:54,891 --> 00:47:56,514
He didn't come up
with the solutions,

1123
00:47:56,515 --> 00:47:58,472
but at least he could express

1124
00:47:58,473 --> 00:48:01,098
and others could resonate
with that.

1125
00:48:01,099 --> 00:48:03,806
♪ ♪

1126
00:48:03,807 --> 00:48:07,098
- ♪ Girl my age
went off her head ♪

1127
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:10,389
♪ ♪

1128
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:13,181
♪ Hit some tiny children ♪

1129
00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:17,639
♪ ♪

1130
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,389
♪ If the black hadn't've
pulled her off ♪

1131
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:23,431
♪ ♪

1132
00:48:23,432 --> 00:48:25,890
♪ I think she would have
killed them ♪

1133
00:48:25,891 --> 00:48:28,056
I'm not a Dylan
and I'm not a--

1134
00:48:28,057 --> 00:48:30,222
I'm not somebody who can
sit down

1135
00:48:30,223 --> 00:48:32,389
and stoically write
a clear picture

1136
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:34,598
of what's happening,

1137
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,389
but I can leave
a very strong impression

1138
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:38,140
of how I feel about it.

1139
00:48:38,141 --> 00:48:39,431
♪ Five years ♪

1140
00:48:39,432 --> 00:48:40,723
- ♪ Five years ♪

1141
00:48:40,724 --> 00:48:43,931
- ♪ Do-do-do-do, yeah ♪

1142
00:48:43,932 --> 00:48:46,556
- ♪ Five years ♪

1143
00:48:46,557 --> 00:48:49,514
- ♪ Do-dun-a-ga-da-he-eh ♪

1144
00:48:49,515 --> 00:48:52,389
- ♪ Five years ♪

1145
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:55,556
- ♪ Didn't hear ya ♪

1146
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:58,098
♪ Five years ♪

1147
00:48:58,099 --> 00:49:01,347
- ♪ That's all we've got ♪

1148
00:49:01,348 --> 00:49:04,222
- ♪ Five ♪

1149
00:49:21,682 --> 00:49:23,431
♪ ♪

1150
00:49:23,432 --> 00:49:26,264
- It's very hard to
not continue to re-address

1151
00:49:26,265 --> 00:49:28,056
the same subject matter
endlessly.

1152
00:49:28,057 --> 00:49:30,598
I mean, I have a certain niche
that I work in,

1153
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,514
A lot of it, until recently,
tends to be about alienation

1154
00:49:34,515 --> 00:49:37,306
and, uh, being on the
outside of things.

1155
00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,556
♪ It's the darkest hour ♪

1156
00:49:39,557 --> 00:49:41,598
♪ You're 22 ♪

1157
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:42,764
♪ ♪

1158
00:49:42,765 --> 00:49:44,639
♪ The voice of youth ♪

1159
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,306
♪ The hour of dread ♪

1160
00:49:47,307 --> 00:49:48,848
That tends to be where

1161
00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:50,764
I feel more comfortable
as a writer,

1162
00:49:50,765 --> 00:49:52,806
but I think one keeps
re-addressing that situation

1163
00:49:52,807 --> 00:49:54,806
and trying to express it
in a different way.

1164
00:49:54,807 --> 00:49:56,598
I guess that's what I do.

1165
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,222
♪ Love is lost ♪

1166
00:49:59,223 --> 00:50:01,639
♪ Lost is love ♪

1167
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:08,765
♪ ♪

1168
00:50:13,974 --> 00:50:17,015
- When I spoke to David
on the phone,

1169
00:50:17,016 --> 00:50:18,472
it was definitely,

1170
00:50:18,473 --> 00:50:19,806
"Don't say a word about this."

1171
00:50:19,807 --> 00:50:20,848
In fact, we even

1172
00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:21,890
had a code word for it,

1173
00:50:21,891 --> 00:50:23,140
so if anybody

1174
00:50:23,141 --> 00:50:24,848
intercepted the phone calls,

1175
00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:26,890
they wouldn't know
we were talking about,

1176
00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:28,681
um, the album.

1177
00:50:28,682 --> 00:50:30,056
So the album was actually

1178
00:50:30,057 --> 00:50:32,931
code-named "the table."

1179
00:50:34,724 --> 00:50:37,681
♪ ♪

1180
00:50:37,682 --> 00:50:39,347
There was a lot of discussion
about

1181
00:50:39,348 --> 00:50:41,098
what the album would be called
at the time.

1182
00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:42,848
It was quite gratifying
to know that

1183
00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:44,890
not even David Bowie
has everything planned out.

1184
00:50:44,891 --> 00:50:46,556
♪ ♪

1185
00:50:46,557 --> 00:50:48,681
So it was possibly even called
"Love is Lost."

1186
00:50:48,682 --> 00:50:50,514
♪ ♪

1187
00:50:50,515 --> 00:50:53,056
Possibly going to be called
"The Next Day,"

1188
00:50:53,057 --> 00:50:55,264
possibly called
"Where Are We Now?"

1189
00:50:55,265 --> 00:50:57,681
- ♪ Say hello
to the lunatic men ♪

1190
00:50:57,682 --> 00:51:00,347
- The thing that started
the concept for the design

1191
00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:02,431
was this photograph.

1192
00:51:02,432 --> 00:51:05,639
It's from the '70s and he said,

1193
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,264
"I want to do something with
this photo

1194
00:51:07,265 --> 00:51:08,723
for the cover,"

1195
00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:10,389
which I found quite puzzling.

1196
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:11,764
He was looking back on his life,

1197
00:51:11,765 --> 00:51:14,056
even looking at that image,

1198
00:51:14,057 --> 00:51:16,556
I really struggled with
using the image,

1199
00:51:16,557 --> 00:51:19,472
and then it took Bowie
to say "Jonathan,

1200
00:51:19,473 --> 00:51:21,264
"why don't you just

1201
00:51:21,265 --> 00:51:23,056
turn the image upside-down?"

1202
00:51:23,057 --> 00:51:24,472
And within that moment,

1203
00:51:24,473 --> 00:51:27,598
he subverted his whole history

1204
00:51:30,432 --> 00:51:32,431
So the process was to go
through every record cover,

1205
00:51:32,432 --> 00:51:34,389
every printed image of him,

1206
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:36,389
and see how we could subvert it.

1207
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:43,181
♪ ♪

1208
00:51:43,182 --> 00:51:45,431
The cover of "Heroes" really had

1209
00:51:45,432 --> 00:51:47,264
that youthful image of Bowie

1210
00:51:47,265 --> 00:51:49,681
looking forward to the future,

1211
00:51:49,682 --> 00:51:51,931
and the square obliterates it.

1212
00:51:51,932 --> 00:51:54,931
It's existentially talking about

1213
00:51:54,932 --> 00:51:57,306
someone who's coming
closer to the end

1214
00:51:57,307 --> 00:51:59,931
of their life and looking back

1215
00:51:59,932 --> 00:52:02,598
on the past.

1216
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,931
I really wasn't sure about it
at the time,

1217
00:52:05,932 --> 00:52:08,264
to the point, in fact,
where the night before

1218
00:52:08,265 --> 00:52:09,806
it was sent off
to the record company,

1219
00:52:09,807 --> 00:52:11,681
I wrote to him and said,
"Are you sure?"

1220
00:52:11,682 --> 00:52:13,015
And he actually said to me,

1221
00:52:13,016 --> 00:52:14,764
"No, this is--have faith,
Jonathan.

1222
00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:15,931
"This is a good idea.

1223
00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:17,931
It's an original idea."

1224
00:52:17,932 --> 00:52:20,764
- ♪ I'd rather be high ♪

1225
00:52:20,765 --> 00:52:23,431
- I think he was subverting
people's expectation

1226
00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:26,639
because of the years away,

1227
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,764
so he could play with his image.

1228
00:52:28,765 --> 00:52:30,639
He wasn't a young man

1229
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,347
desperate to be original.

1230
00:52:33,348 --> 00:52:36,431
He was someone who lived life

1231
00:52:36,432 --> 00:52:39,015
and was not up for
playing the game

1232
00:52:39,016 --> 00:52:40,806
of being in the media
all the time.

1233
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:46,598
♪ ♪

1234
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:48,098
Bowie was incredibly happy

1235
00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:49,848
that we'd managed to

1236
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:52,098
keep this thing secret
all this time.

1237
00:52:52,099 --> 00:52:54,639
We had accomplished something
unique

1238
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,973
in a time when everybody

1239
00:52:56,974 --> 00:53:00,306
knows everything.

1240
00:53:00,307 --> 00:53:02,848
He was quite attracted to

1241
00:53:02,849 --> 00:53:06,347
all the furore
around an album being released,

1242
00:53:06,348 --> 00:53:08,681
but he wanted to play it
the right way.

1243
00:53:11,223 --> 00:53:13,015
- ♪ Then we saw ♪

1244
00:53:13,016 --> 00:53:15,848
- Hello, David Bowie's
back in sound and vision,

1245
00:53:15,849 --> 00:53:17,848
with his first new album
in a decade.

1246
00:53:17,849 --> 00:53:20,347
- He hasn't performed
since 2006,

1247
00:53:20,348 --> 00:53:22,056
and has rarely been
seen in public

1248
00:53:22,057 --> 00:53:23,931
since then, but now he's back.

1249
00:53:23,932 --> 00:53:25,639
- But after a bout of
ill health,

1250
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,848
it was thought he had retired.
Wrong.

1251
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:30,140
- His new album,
his first in ten years,

1252
00:53:30,141 --> 00:53:32,639
shot to the number one spot
last weekend.

1253
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,181
In fact, it's the fastest-
selling of the year so far,

1254
00:53:35,182 --> 00:53:38,181
having shifted
over 100,000 copies

1255
00:53:38,182 --> 00:53:39,973
in less than two weeks.

1256
00:53:39,974 --> 00:53:44,431
- ♪ The night was always
falling ♪

1257
00:53:44,432 --> 00:53:47,556
♪ The peacock in the snow ♪

1258
00:53:47,557 --> 00:53:49,222
♪ ♪

1259
00:53:49,223 --> 00:53:53,556
♪ And I tell myself ♪

1260
00:53:53,557 --> 00:53:57,140
♪ I don't know who I am ♪

1261
00:53:57,141 --> 00:54:00,056
♪ ♪

1262
00:54:00,057 --> 00:54:01,973
- He just stopped
giving interviews

1263
00:54:01,974 --> 00:54:03,556
many years ago,

1264
00:54:03,557 --> 00:54:05,556
and, um, this is something that

1265
00:54:05,557 --> 00:54:08,472
he needed to do, I think,
for himself.

1266
00:54:08,473 --> 00:54:10,764
He couldn't--he couldn't
have his life examined

1267
00:54:10,765 --> 00:54:12,222
any longer.
He didn't want

1268
00:54:12,223 --> 00:54:13,890
any speculation about his life.

1269
00:54:13,891 --> 00:54:17,848
♪ ♪

1270
00:54:20,891 --> 00:54:27,932
♪ ♪

1271
00:54:33,974 --> 00:54:35,848
- I think it's
terribly dangerous

1272
00:54:35,849 --> 00:54:39,181
for an artist to fulfill
other people's expectations.

1273
00:54:39,182 --> 00:54:40,556
If you feel safe

1274
00:54:40,557 --> 00:54:42,098
in the area
that you're working in,

1275
00:54:42,099 --> 00:54:43,890
you're not working
in the right area.

1276
00:54:43,891 --> 00:54:46,181
Always go a little further
into the water

1277
00:54:46,182 --> 00:54:48,514
than you feel you're capable
of being in.

1278
00:54:48,515 --> 00:54:50,264
Go a little bit out of
your depth,

1279
00:54:50,265 --> 00:54:52,056
and you don't feel that
your feet are

1280
00:54:52,057 --> 00:54:53,639
quite touching the bottom,

1281
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,056
you're just about
in the right place

1282
00:54:55,057 --> 00:54:56,472
to do something exciting.

1283
00:54:58,765 --> 00:55:00,306
- The way David works.

1284
00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:02,723
He just keeps evolving,
evolving, evolving.

1285
00:55:02,724 --> 00:55:05,181
David's always looking
for that new element

1286
00:55:05,182 --> 00:55:06,764
and unique musicians

1287
00:55:06,765 --> 00:55:07,931
to be the carriage

1288
00:55:07,932 --> 00:55:09,598
for his new ideas.

1289
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,806
♪ ♪

1290
00:55:12,807 --> 00:55:16,556
Maria Schneider is
an amazing jazz composer

1291
00:55:16,557 --> 00:55:18,514
and how she could've been
off my radar,

1292
00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:20,472
I don't--I don't know,
because,

1293
00:55:20,473 --> 00:55:24,639
uh, she suddenly appeared
in my life through David.

1294
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,140
And when I heard
her compositions,

1295
00:55:27,141 --> 00:55:29,140
it was everything
David and I loved

1296
00:55:29,141 --> 00:55:30,514
about big band music:

1297
00:55:30,515 --> 00:55:32,140
that it was discordant

1298
00:55:32,141 --> 00:55:35,306
and strange and ethereal.

1299
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:43,389
♪ ♪

1300
00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:46,181
- Out of the blue, David called.

1301
00:55:46,182 --> 00:55:47,681
I said, "Hello?"

1302
00:55:47,682 --> 00:55:49,306
Then--and then

1303
00:55:49,307 --> 00:55:52,015
proceeded to start
to talk to him about

1304
00:55:52,016 --> 00:55:53,848
the idea, uh, that he had

1305
00:55:53,849 --> 00:55:55,639
to collaborate on a song.

1306
00:55:58,682 --> 00:56:00,181
♪ ♪

1307
00:56:00,182 --> 00:56:02,806
David brought a little demo
of "Sue,"

1308
00:56:02,807 --> 00:56:05,098
so I listened to it

1309
00:56:05,099 --> 00:56:07,098
and immediately heard this:

1310
00:56:10,057 --> 00:56:13,890
I said, "Where do you want
this to go?"

1311
00:56:13,891 --> 00:56:16,347
So it's--
It's pretty bright--

1312
00:56:16,348 --> 00:56:18,140
You know, sounding,
and he said, "Oh,

1313
00:56:18,141 --> 00:56:19,639
I want it to be really dark."

1314
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,472
So then I started
playing around with

1315
00:56:22,473 --> 00:56:25,015
ways in which I could
make that--

1316
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:27,681
That melody dark,

1317
00:56:27,682 --> 00:56:29,098
and I just fooled around
over here

1318
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:30,764
and then I looked at him
and I said,

1319
00:56:30,765 --> 00:56:34,723
"Okay, let's try this."

1320
00:56:34,724 --> 00:56:36,639
- Maria Schneider said,

1321
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,389
"You have to listen
to this guy, Donny McCaslin."

1322
00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:41,222
Donny had a band.

1323
00:56:44,307 --> 00:56:46,890
This band were
trained jazz musicians,

1324
00:56:46,891 --> 00:56:50,347
so we had more colors
to the palette.

1325
00:56:53,057 --> 00:56:55,056
- Then I just worked on it
on my own a little bit.

1326
00:56:55,057 --> 00:56:57,140
And then David came over,

1327
00:56:57,141 --> 00:56:58,723
and then I presented him

1328
00:56:58,724 --> 00:57:00,514
with all these sketches of ideas

1329
00:57:00,515 --> 00:57:02,056
and said, "Okay,

1330
00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:04,556
let me play you
lots of different things,"

1331
00:57:04,557 --> 00:57:06,306
and he would either say,

1332
00:57:06,307 --> 00:57:08,723
"Yeah, yeah, I r--
Oh, I really like that."

1333
00:57:08,724 --> 00:57:11,389
You know, if it had got
a real reaction of him--

1334
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:14,015
From him, then I said,
"Okay, maybe that's

1335
00:57:14,016 --> 00:57:15,556
the direction,"
so I just kind of

1336
00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:17,264
tried to feel him out.

1337
00:57:20,265 --> 00:57:27,390
♪ ♪

1338
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:32,931
- It was adventure.

1339
00:57:32,932 --> 00:57:34,431
Adventure, adventure.

1340
00:57:34,432 --> 00:57:35,890
Let's try this, let's try that.

1341
00:57:35,891 --> 00:57:37,890
Let's make it as far-out
as possible.

1342
00:57:37,891 --> 00:57:40,389
Let's go somewhere
no one's ever gone before.

1343
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:41,348
You know?

1344
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:43,890
♪ ♪

1345
00:57:43,891 --> 00:57:45,472
- I mean, recording it
was, like,

1346
00:57:45,473 --> 00:57:46,931
six hours or something...

1347
00:57:46,932 --> 00:57:49,306
- Yeah.
- So he comes out,

1348
00:57:49,307 --> 00:57:53,098
then he lays down
the vocal for the whole song,

1349
00:57:53,099 --> 00:57:54,973
seven, eight minutes,

1350
00:57:54,974 --> 00:57:56,639
so he's been in the studio
all day long...

1351
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,056
- Just sitting there.

1352
00:57:58,057 --> 00:57:59,431
- You know,
we're just sitting there,

1353
00:57:59,432 --> 00:58:01,222
listening--you know,
taking this all in,

1354
00:58:01,223 --> 00:58:03,306
goes out, a little
one-two-three on the mic,

1355
00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:04,472
and then, boom.

1356
00:58:04,473 --> 00:58:06,472
- ♪ Sue ♪

1357
00:58:06,473 --> 00:58:08,723
♪ ♪

1358
00:58:08,724 --> 00:58:12,389
♪ I got the job ♪

1359
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:15,598
♪ ♪

1360
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,723
♪ We'll buy the house ♪

1361
00:58:21,724 --> 00:58:24,347
♪ You'll need to rest ♪

1362
00:58:24,348 --> 00:58:30,681
♪ But now we'll make it ♪

1363
00:58:30,682 --> 00:58:32,681
- So I remember
doing this interview

1364
00:58:32,682 --> 00:58:33,806
with Tony Visconti.

1365
00:58:33,807 --> 00:58:35,681
The interviewer asked us both,

1366
00:58:35,682 --> 00:58:38,681
you know, what was David's
relationship to jazz music,

1367
00:58:38,682 --> 00:58:39,848
something like that,

1368
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:41,514
and Tony's response was that

1369
00:58:41,515 --> 00:58:43,681
he thought that that influence

1370
00:58:43,682 --> 00:58:46,431
had always been there
in David's music,

1371
00:58:46,432 --> 00:58:48,681
but it was just sort of
underneath the surface,

1372
00:58:48,682 --> 00:58:50,431
and that now, it was just,

1373
00:58:50,432 --> 00:58:51,556
you know, out there.

1374
00:58:51,557 --> 00:58:52,931
♪ ♪

1375
00:58:52,932 --> 00:58:57,472
- ♪ Sue, I pushed you down ♪

1376
00:58:57,473 --> 00:59:00,140
♪ Beneath the weeds ♪

1377
00:59:00,141 --> 00:59:01,890
♪ Endless faith ♪

1378
00:59:01,891 --> 00:59:05,140
♪ In hopeless deeds ♪

1379
00:59:05,141 --> 00:59:07,098
- Of course, when this thing
was released,

1380
00:59:07,099 --> 00:59:08,931
there were
all sorts of comments.

1381
00:59:08,932 --> 00:59:12,098
Some people were just
absolutely hating it

1382
00:59:12,099 --> 00:59:13,806
and some people were loving it

1383
00:59:13,807 --> 00:59:15,681
and some people
didn't know what to think.

1384
00:59:15,682 --> 00:59:17,931
♪ ♪

1385
00:59:17,932 --> 00:59:22,181
- ♪ Good-bye ♪

1386
00:59:22,182 --> 00:59:23,931
- This is David Bowie.

1387
00:59:23,932 --> 00:59:27,431
He's not gonna pigeonhole
even himself.

1388
00:59:27,432 --> 00:59:29,472
Imagine how ridiculous
he would have looked,

1389
00:59:29,473 --> 00:59:31,556
you know, if he kept
dyeing his hair orange

1390
00:59:31,557 --> 00:59:33,431
and he was 65 years old

1391
00:59:33,432 --> 00:59:35,556
with orange hair

1392
00:59:35,557 --> 00:59:37,222
and platform shoes, you know.

1393
00:59:37,223 --> 00:59:41,472
He was smart.

1394
00:59:44,515 --> 00:59:47,431
♪ ♪

1395
00:59:47,432 --> 00:59:50,764
The radical shift between
"Sue" and "The Next Day"

1396
00:59:50,765 --> 00:59:54,389
is like when he did the, uh,
ambient music

1397
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:55,639
of "Low" and "Heroes"

1398
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,181
with Brian Eno.

1399
00:59:58,182 --> 01:00:01,389
- ♪ Dun-dun-dun-dun... ♪

1400
01:00:02,807 --> 01:00:04,347
Oh... And he'll play that
again.

1401
01:00:04,348 --> 01:00:06,472
♪ Dun, dun, dun, dun ♪

1402
01:00:06,473 --> 01:00:09,514
Oh, wow, I'm feeling low.

1403
01:00:10,932 --> 01:00:12,514
Brian Eno's methodology

1404
01:00:12,515 --> 01:00:13,931
is a little bit different

1405
01:00:13,932 --> 01:00:15,140
than any methodology

1406
01:00:15,141 --> 01:00:16,639
I've ever encountered.

1407
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,848
That's not rock and roll.

1408
01:00:18,849 --> 01:00:21,264
Rock and roll is, "Hey, man,
I got this great riff.

1409
01:00:21,265 --> 01:00:23,140
Listen to this."

1410
01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:24,639
You know?

1411
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,389
But when you start experimenting

1412
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:27,848
with soundscapes,

1413
01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:29,347
which is what they were doing,

1414
01:00:29,348 --> 01:00:32,932
it makes other things
come to light.

1415
01:00:34,765 --> 01:00:38,431
David was listening to
a few German bands back then

1416
01:00:38,432 --> 01:00:40,431
that were at the epicenter

1417
01:00:40,432 --> 01:00:42,140
of electronic music,

1418
01:00:42,141 --> 01:00:43,681
and I think that the

1419
01:00:43,682 --> 01:00:45,639
elec-tronic-al part

1420
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:46,640
was too much.

1421
01:00:46,641 --> 01:00:48,140
That's why he had a R&B, a--

1422
01:00:48,141 --> 01:00:49,890
A black rhythm section,

1423
01:00:49,891 --> 01:00:52,556
being, "You want a machine?

1424
01:00:52,557 --> 01:00:54,181
Let me give you a funk band."

1425
01:00:57,099 --> 01:00:59,764
But I'll add
all the electronic stuff

1426
01:00:59,765 --> 01:01:01,347
on top of that.

1427
01:01:01,348 --> 01:01:04,472
Otherwise, he might
take the chance of

1428
01:01:04,473 --> 01:01:08,806
sounding like European

1429
01:01:08,807 --> 01:01:10,098
electronic music,

1430
01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:12,514
which he did not
want to reproduce.

1431
01:01:12,515 --> 01:01:15,264
♪ ♪

1432
01:01:15,265 --> 01:01:17,015
- I'd gotten into the idea

1433
01:01:17,016 --> 01:01:18,973
of real experimentation
in music,

1434
01:01:18,974 --> 01:01:20,556
with the new sounds of Europe

1435
01:01:20,557 --> 01:01:22,973
and it was this kind of
hybrid thing

1436
01:01:22,974 --> 01:01:24,472
that appealed to me so much.

1437
01:01:24,473 --> 01:01:26,222
The idea of mixtures

1438
01:01:26,223 --> 01:01:28,347
has always been something
that I've found

1439
01:01:28,348 --> 01:01:30,598
absolutely fascinating.

1440
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,015
♪ Blue, blue, electric blue ♪

1441
01:01:33,016 --> 01:01:35,723
♪ That's the color of my room ♪

1442
01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:37,264
♪ Where I will live ♪

1443
01:01:37,265 --> 01:01:39,514
♪ ♪

1444
01:01:39,515 --> 01:01:41,639
♪ Blue, blue ♪

1445
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,764
♪ ♪

1446
01:01:44,765 --> 01:01:47,098
♪ Pale blinds drawn all day ♪

1447
01:01:47,099 --> 01:01:49,681
♪ Nothing to do,
nothing to say ♪

1448
01:01:49,682 --> 01:01:53,681
♪ ♪

1449
01:01:53,682 --> 01:01:55,347
♪ Blue, blue ♪

1450
01:01:55,348 --> 01:01:59,015
♪ ♪

1451
01:01:59,016 --> 01:02:01,264
♪ I will sit right down ♪

1452
01:02:01,265 --> 01:02:04,639
♪ Waiting for
the gift of sound and vision ♪

1453
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,140
- I was just amazed that

1454
01:02:06,141 --> 01:02:08,222
David was the kind of person
that he was,

1455
01:02:08,223 --> 01:02:10,015
because I wasn't expecting that.

1456
01:02:10,016 --> 01:02:12,806
I was expecting something
sort of

1457
01:02:12,807 --> 01:02:16,015
superhuman, strange, walking in

1458
01:02:16,016 --> 01:02:18,723
and he presented himself
so normal.

1459
01:02:18,724 --> 01:02:19,931
As a matter of fact,

1460
01:02:19,932 --> 01:02:22,056
the doorman from downstairs

1461
01:02:22,057 --> 01:02:23,389
called me and said,

1462
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:25,098
"There's a--what?
What's your name?

1463
01:02:25,099 --> 01:02:27,056
Oh, David, here to see you."

1464
01:02:27,057 --> 01:02:29,015
And I thought, "Oh, dear."

1465
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:35,389
♪ ♪

1466
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:38,598
Can I just stop a second?
Did I just say he was normal?

1467
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,347
There's really nothing normal
about David Bowie.

1468
01:02:41,348 --> 01:02:43,890
You know?
But anyway...

1469
01:02:43,891 --> 01:02:50,974
♪ ♪

1470
01:02:57,265 --> 01:03:04,307
♪ ♪

1471
01:03:07,099 --> 01:03:08,890
- When I was around 17, 18,

1472
01:03:08,891 --> 01:03:10,890
what I wanted to do,
more than anything else,

1473
01:03:10,891 --> 01:03:13,264
was write something
for Broadway.

1474
01:03:13,265 --> 01:03:14,639
I wanted to write a musical.

1475
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,264
Had no idea of how you did it

1476
01:03:17,265 --> 01:03:19,015
or how musicals were
constructed,

1477
01:03:19,016 --> 01:03:21,931
but the idea of writing
something

1478
01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:24,598
that was rock-based
for Broadway

1479
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:26,264
really intrigued me.
I thought, "That would be

1480
01:03:26,265 --> 01:03:27,931
a wonderful thing to do."

1481
01:03:27,932 --> 01:03:30,347
♪ ♪

1482
01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:34,015
- When we first talked
quite quickly

1483
01:03:34,016 --> 01:03:35,723
he said,

1484
01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:37,764
"I wanna do a musical,"

1485
01:03:37,765 --> 01:03:39,973
and I said, "Great,"

1486
01:03:39,974 --> 01:03:41,848
and he said, "All I know

1487
01:03:41,849 --> 01:03:43,306
"is that it's called Laz--

1488
01:03:43,307 --> 01:03:45,931
"it's gonna be called
'Lazarus, '

1489
01:03:45,932 --> 01:03:47,848
"and it's based on
the character I played

1490
01:03:47,849 --> 01:03:49,681
"in 'The Man Who Fell to Earth'

1491
01:03:49,682 --> 01:03:52,514
in the movie,
Thomas Jerome Newton."

1492
01:03:52,515 --> 01:03:56,472
♪ ♪

1493
01:03:56,473 --> 01:03:59,264
- Thomas Newton is an alien.

1494
01:03:59,265 --> 01:04:00,764
He can't get home.

1495
01:04:00,765 --> 01:04:02,639
He's relegated to this Earth.

1496
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,681
He is in the world,
but not of it.

1497
01:04:06,682 --> 01:04:08,181
♪ ♪

1498
01:04:08,182 --> 01:04:11,598
- Outsiders,
marginalized people,

1499
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,848
people that don't belong,

1500
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:15,098
that are disp--

1501
01:04:15,099 --> 01:04:16,848
That feel displaced,

1502
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:17,849
not at home,

1503
01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:18,890
even when they have a house,

1504
01:04:18,891 --> 01:04:20,098
like Newton.

1505
01:04:20,099 --> 01:04:21,472
Rich, you know, on Earth,

1506
01:04:21,473 --> 01:04:23,598
but lost on Earth.

1507
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:24,848
It resonated with him.

1508
01:04:24,849 --> 01:04:28,181
♪ ♪

1509
01:04:28,182 --> 01:04:30,806
- My initial reaction was,

1510
01:04:30,807 --> 01:04:33,015
"I've got the chance
to do a musical

1511
01:04:33,016 --> 01:04:35,347
"with David, which is wonderful,

1512
01:04:35,348 --> 01:04:38,222
but it sure ain't
gonna buy me a yacht."

1513
01:04:38,223 --> 01:04:40,681
♪ Oh, say, can you see ♪

1514
01:04:40,682 --> 01:04:44,056
- That was my amused comment
to myself,

1515
01:04:44,057 --> 01:04:46,514
but he said,
"I want to see this,"

1516
01:04:46,515 --> 01:04:48,015
you know, "I want this on."

1517
01:04:48,016 --> 01:04:50,015
- Okay.

1518
01:04:50,016 --> 01:04:52,848
So, uh, thank you very much,
Sophia.

1519
01:04:52,849 --> 01:04:57,015
- Just before
we were due to start

1520
01:04:57,016 --> 01:04:59,056
a small workshop,

1521
01:04:59,057 --> 01:05:02,389
I was asked to go to
David's office in New York

1522
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:04,306
at a specific time,

1523
01:05:04,307 --> 01:05:06,431
and when I walked in the room,

1524
01:05:06,432 --> 01:05:10,723
David was on Skype,

1525
01:05:10,724 --> 01:05:14,056
and then he said, "I need
to explain something to you,

1526
01:05:14,057 --> 01:05:16,639
"because I'm not gonna be

1527
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,890
"able to be around a lot

1528
01:05:18,891 --> 01:05:21,514
"during this workshop.

1529
01:05:21,515 --> 01:05:23,222
"Which doesn't mean that I'm

1530
01:05:23,223 --> 01:05:26,098
"not gonna be totally involved
in it.

1531
01:05:26,099 --> 01:05:29,848
"It just means that I
can't be there sometimes,

1532
01:05:29,849 --> 01:05:32,015
"because I'm having treatment

1533
01:05:32,016 --> 01:05:35,931
because I have, uh, a cancer."

1534
01:05:38,891 --> 01:05:40,639
I was shocked,

1535
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,890
but his attitude was

1536
01:05:41,891 --> 01:05:44,098
that he was gonna be okay.

1537
01:05:44,099 --> 01:05:47,431
And that was kind of the end of
the conversation.

1538
01:05:47,432 --> 01:05:49,973
- I'm here to get you out
of this apartment!

1539
01:05:49,974 --> 01:05:51,973
Get you home to your planet!

1540
01:05:51,974 --> 01:05:53,639
I think we should build
a rocket!

1541
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:58,598
- But of course,
once we started,

1542
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:59,973
sort of, rehearsal,

1543
01:05:59,974 --> 01:06:01,639
he was there a lot.

1544
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,264
He was sort of in and out
and in and out,

1545
01:06:03,265 --> 01:06:04,764
you know, so...

1546
01:06:04,765 --> 01:06:06,264
♪ ♪

1547
01:06:06,265 --> 01:06:08,514
So he would go,
"Oh, let's remove that

1548
01:06:08,515 --> 01:06:11,098
"scene, and can I write a--
Can I write a song?

1549
01:06:11,099 --> 01:06:12,848
I feel as if I should
write a song here,"

1550
01:06:12,849 --> 01:06:14,264
and he was really excited
about that.

1551
01:06:14,265 --> 01:06:16,556
♪ ♪

1552
01:06:16,557 --> 01:06:19,431
- He was ill, and, um,
he said, uh,

1553
01:06:19,432 --> 01:06:22,140
writing the musical
was on his bucket list.

1554
01:06:22,141 --> 01:06:24,973
You know, getting
finally writing a musical

1555
01:06:24,974 --> 01:06:26,056
and all that.

1556
01:06:26,057 --> 01:06:27,764
So that's the only time

1557
01:06:27,765 --> 01:06:29,973
he got a little bit, you know,
sentimental, maybe,

1558
01:06:29,974 --> 01:06:32,015
like I've got to do
these things.

1559
01:06:32,016 --> 01:06:34,973
- Stupid animal!
Stupid creature!

1560
01:06:34,974 --> 01:06:37,098
- Why don't you tell me
what's going on?

1561
01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:40,222
- Because I can't.

1562
01:06:40,223 --> 01:06:43,431
- I think that David
intended it to be a play

1563
01:06:43,432 --> 01:06:45,472
that's supported by music,

1564
01:06:45,473 --> 01:06:49,264
rather than a musical
that's supported by dialogue.

1565
01:06:49,265 --> 01:06:53,306
- ♪ But the film is a saddening
bore ♪

1566
01:06:53,307 --> 01:06:55,848
- It's about as far from
a typical West End

1567
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:57,472
or Broadway show
as you could get.

1568
01:06:57,473 --> 01:07:01,181
He wanted this to be
an art piece.

1569
01:07:01,182 --> 01:07:03,681
- ♪ As I ask you to focus ♪

1570
01:07:03,682 --> 01:07:08,347
♪ Sailors fighting
in the dance hall ♪

1571
01:07:08,348 --> 01:07:14,264
♪ Oh, man, look at
those cavemen go ♪

1572
01:07:14,265 --> 01:07:17,015
♪ It's the freakiest show ♪

1573
01:07:17,016 --> 01:07:19,514
- I'd heard that he wanted
to do a musical since--

1574
01:07:19,515 --> 01:07:22,181
Someone said the mid-'70s
or something or other,

1575
01:07:22,182 --> 01:07:24,514
and I thought, "Oh, God,

1576
01:07:24,515 --> 01:07:26,098
"we're beginning something
that feels

1577
01:07:26,099 --> 01:07:28,015
"very, very close to his heart

1578
01:07:28,016 --> 01:07:29,849
and his head
and where he's at."

1579
01:07:36,932 --> 01:07:38,890
♪ ♪

1580
01:07:38,891 --> 01:07:40,681
- ♪ Ronda ♪

1581
01:07:40,682 --> 01:07:42,723
I really had it in my mind

1582
01:07:42,724 --> 01:07:45,973
to do a musical of "1984."

1583
01:07:45,974 --> 01:07:48,723
It was a book that I'd loved
all through my youth,

1584
01:07:48,724 --> 01:07:52,056
but of course, I didn't really
take into account

1585
01:07:52,057 --> 01:07:53,848
the second Mrs. Orwell,

1586
01:07:53,849 --> 01:07:55,890
who, when she got wind
of what we were doing,

1587
01:07:55,891 --> 01:07:57,514
absolutely put her foot down
and said,

1588
01:07:57,515 --> 01:07:58,973
"Not having
rock-and-roll people

1589
01:07:58,974 --> 01:08:01,098
"work on my late husband's

1590
01:08:01,099 --> 01:08:02,306
great piece of work."

1591
01:08:02,307 --> 01:08:03,890
And I thought, "Oh,

1592
01:08:03,891 --> 01:08:05,973
sorry,
I'll do me own version then."

1593
01:08:05,974 --> 01:08:07,306
- That's a naught.

1594
01:08:07,307 --> 01:08:08,681
- 2015!

1595
01:08:08,682 --> 01:08:10,098
- This is the beginning
of a film

1596
01:08:10,099 --> 01:08:11,431
called "Diamond Dogs,"

1597
01:08:11,432 --> 01:08:13,056
and I've put naught in here

1598
01:08:13,057 --> 01:08:16,056
because I didn't know
what year it's set in.

1599
01:08:16,057 --> 01:08:17,514
- Wanting to do something

1600
01:08:17,515 --> 01:08:19,973
like write a musical for "1984"

1601
01:08:19,974 --> 01:08:21,639
and then not being able
to do it,

1602
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,681
via the album "Diamond Dogs,"

1603
01:08:24,682 --> 01:08:26,890
kind of gelled into this thing

1604
01:08:26,891 --> 01:08:29,098
that we later toured in America.

1605
01:08:32,265 --> 01:08:34,264
- David had the idea of

1606
01:08:34,265 --> 01:08:37,098
using dance and mime,

1607
01:08:37,099 --> 01:08:40,098
uh, with two vocalists,

1608
01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:43,723
myself being one...

1609
01:08:43,724 --> 01:08:45,347
- ♪ Jean Genie ♪

1610
01:08:45,348 --> 01:08:47,015
- And Gui Andrisano,

1611
01:08:47,016 --> 01:08:49,264
who had been a child star.

1612
01:08:49,265 --> 01:08:56,390
♪ ♪

1613
01:09:02,765 --> 01:09:05,514
It kind of worked with
the input that we had

1614
01:09:05,515 --> 01:09:07,598
from Toni Basil,

1615
01:09:07,599 --> 01:09:11,431
in terms of choreography.

1616
01:09:11,432 --> 01:09:14,973
- But when I met him
the first day

1617
01:09:14,974 --> 01:09:17,306
in his hotel suite,

1618
01:09:17,307 --> 01:09:19,431
the set was there.

1619
01:09:19,432 --> 01:09:22,098
The set was already
a little mock-up set.

1620
01:09:22,099 --> 01:09:25,764
- ♪ We feel that we are paper ♪

1621
01:09:25,765 --> 01:09:28,764
♪ Choking on you nightly ♪

1622
01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:32,306
♪ They tell me,
son, we want you ♪

1623
01:09:32,307 --> 01:09:35,806
♪ Be elusive,
but don't walk far ♪

1624
01:09:35,807 --> 01:09:36,931
♪ For we're ♪

1625
01:09:36,932 --> 01:09:39,056
- He had the cityscape

1626
01:09:39,057 --> 01:09:40,598
and a set list.

1627
01:09:40,599 --> 01:09:43,015
So for me,

1628
01:09:43,016 --> 01:09:46,764
the set list was my thread

1629
01:09:46,765 --> 01:09:51,306
of what ideas
I could come up with

1630
01:09:51,307 --> 01:09:54,181
in collaboration with him

1631
01:09:54,182 --> 01:09:57,431
to make this theatrical piece
happen.

1632
01:09:57,432 --> 01:09:59,015
- ♪ But I love you ♪

1633
01:09:59,016 --> 01:10:00,764
♪ In your fuck-me pumps ♪

1634
01:10:00,765 --> 01:10:03,806
♪ And your nimble dress
that trails ♪

1635
01:10:03,807 --> 01:10:05,890
♪ Oh dress yourself ♪

1636
01:10:05,891 --> 01:10:08,472
- At that time, there was not

1637
01:10:08,473 --> 01:10:11,098
really a lot of rock stars

1638
01:10:11,099 --> 01:10:14,015
that focused on theatricality.

1639
01:10:14,016 --> 01:10:15,848
A lot of them thought
it was corny,

1640
01:10:15,849 --> 01:10:18,098
or they were afraid
to approach it.

1641
01:10:18,099 --> 01:10:22,098
So I knew he was
a great performer,

1642
01:10:22,099 --> 01:10:23,931
extremely theatrical,

1643
01:10:23,932 --> 01:10:27,598
that would just always be
outside the box,

1644
01:10:27,599 --> 01:10:29,806
always be walking on the edge.

1645
01:10:29,807 --> 01:10:36,891
♪ ♪

1646
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,598
- ♪ In the year
of the scavenger ♪

1647
01:10:39,599 --> 01:10:41,431
♪ The season of the bitch ♪

1648
01:10:41,432 --> 01:10:43,556
♪ Sashay on the boardwalk ♪

1649
01:10:43,557 --> 01:10:45,306
♪ Scurry to the ditch ♪

1650
01:10:45,307 --> 01:10:47,389
♪ Just another future song ♪

1651
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:49,056
♪ Lonely little kitsch ♪

1652
01:10:49,057 --> 01:10:51,514
- "Diamond Dogs" was
probably the most difficult

1653
01:10:51,515 --> 01:10:53,723
one to choreograph, because

1654
01:10:53,724 --> 01:10:56,140
we were on long pieces of rope.

1655
01:10:56,141 --> 01:10:58,140
And the idea was to

1656
01:10:58,141 --> 01:10:59,598
tie him down

1657
01:10:59,599 --> 01:11:02,222
without fully disabling him

1658
01:11:02,223 --> 01:11:04,973
and, uh, tripping him up.

1659
01:11:04,974 --> 01:11:07,598
♪ ♪

1660
01:11:07,599 --> 01:11:10,264
- ♪ There you go
whoo ♪

1661
01:11:10,265 --> 01:11:12,598
♪ Call them the diamond dogs ♪

1662
01:11:12,599 --> 01:11:14,931
It was hideously pressurized
for me.

1663
01:11:14,932 --> 01:11:16,931
I had these awful tensions
and stresses

1664
01:11:16,932 --> 01:11:19,848
but the physicality
of performing a show like that

1665
01:11:19,849 --> 01:11:22,556
was alarmingly strenuous.

1666
01:11:22,557 --> 01:11:24,431
♪ Oh, honey ♪

1667
01:11:24,432 --> 01:11:26,431
♪ You're so bad ♪

1668
01:11:26,432 --> 01:11:30,431
- "Diamond Dogs" is
a series of vignettes

1669
01:11:30,432 --> 01:11:32,639
of what could happen

1670
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,639
when society breaks down,

1671
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,389
so it was more sketchy,

1672
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:38,931
rather than a story
from beginning to end.

1673
01:11:38,932 --> 01:11:42,806
♪ ♪

1674
01:11:42,807 --> 01:11:44,931
- I started getting into
the idea of writing

1675
01:11:44,932 --> 01:11:47,514
a kind of a non-narrative

1676
01:11:47,515 --> 01:11:50,098
that just had situations
within it

1677
01:11:50,099 --> 01:11:52,098
and the audience kind of
joins up the dots

1678
01:11:52,099 --> 01:11:53,389
their own way, in the way

1679
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:54,890
they want to make it.

1680
01:11:54,891 --> 01:11:58,222
They'd remake the material
they're offered.

1681
01:11:58,223 --> 01:12:01,556
♪ Just one day, I say ♪

1682
01:12:01,557 --> 01:12:03,140
♪ Oh, honey ♪

1683
01:12:03,141 --> 01:12:06,140
♪ You're so bad ♪

1684
01:12:06,141 --> 01:12:08,973
♪ Best I ever had ♪

1685
01:12:08,974 --> 01:12:11,974
♪ ♪

1686
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,598
- He brought me another song
to work on.

1687
01:12:18,599 --> 01:12:20,639
And I said to him,
"I would love to do this,

1688
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,931
"but I just--I can't, David.

1689
01:12:22,932 --> 01:12:25,973
I'm recording an album
with my own band."

1690
01:12:25,974 --> 01:12:30,723
♪ ♪

1691
01:12:30,724 --> 01:12:32,347
And then, I said to him,

1692
01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:33,973
"I think you should do a record

1693
01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,015
with Donny's group."

1694
01:12:36,016 --> 01:12:37,514
He said, "Really, you think so?

1695
01:12:37,515 --> 01:12:39,514
You think they'd want
to do that?"

1696
01:12:39,515 --> 01:12:41,764
and I said, "You kidding me?"

1697
01:12:41,765 --> 01:12:44,514
and I said, "I think
it would be amazing."

1698
01:12:44,515 --> 01:12:46,764
♪ ♪

1699
01:12:46,765 --> 01:12:48,848
- I got an email from him
and--

1700
01:12:48,849 --> 01:12:50,514
Basically saying that

1701
01:12:50,515 --> 01:12:53,806
he would really like to record
different tunes with us.

1702
01:12:53,807 --> 01:12:55,347
There was a sentence
that he said--

1703
01:12:55,348 --> 01:12:56,848
Something like, you know,

1704
01:12:56,849 --> 01:12:58,514
"It would be my dream

1705
01:12:58,515 --> 01:13:00,347
"to record a few songs

1706
01:13:00,348 --> 01:13:01,848
with the Donny McCaslin group."

1707
01:13:01,849 --> 01:13:04,681
I think that that sentence

1708
01:13:04,682 --> 01:13:08,181
was kind of, like, wow.

1709
01:13:11,223 --> 01:13:16,140
♪ ♪

1710
01:13:16,141 --> 01:13:18,431
Whatever he was going through,
health-wise, at the time,

1711
01:13:18,432 --> 01:13:20,931
one thing that was
really inspiring

1712
01:13:20,932 --> 01:13:24,389
was how, from the first day,

1713
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:26,264
the first note, he was just

1714
01:13:26,265 --> 01:13:28,306
totally in it.

1715
01:13:28,307 --> 01:13:29,931
- By the time I joined you guys,

1716
01:13:29,932 --> 01:13:31,181
I was not aware of anything,

1717
01:13:31,182 --> 01:13:32,431
and I was actually--

1718
01:13:32,432 --> 01:13:34,514
Even being ignorant of all this,

1719
01:13:34,515 --> 01:13:37,264
I was struck
by how healthy and energetic

1720
01:13:37,265 --> 01:13:38,890
and in great spirits he was.

1721
01:13:41,974 --> 01:13:45,973
♪ ♪

1722
01:13:45,974 --> 01:13:48,389
- So David had a lot of
vocal ideas

1723
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:49,890
that needed to be done.

1724
01:13:49,891 --> 01:13:52,098
We have him singing this.

1725
01:13:52,099 --> 01:13:55,764
- ♪ In the villa of Ormen ♪

1726
01:13:55,765 --> 01:13:59,431
♪ In the villa of Ormen ♪

1727
01:13:59,432 --> 01:14:02,056
♪ Stands a solitary candle ♪

1728
01:14:02,057 --> 01:14:06,015
♪ Ah, ah ♪

1729
01:14:06,016 --> 01:14:09,514
♪ Ah, ah ♪

1730
01:14:09,515 --> 01:14:13,140
♪ In the center of it all ♪

1731
01:14:13,141 --> 01:14:18,098
♪ In the center of it all ♪

1732
01:14:18,099 --> 01:14:22,222
♪ Your eyes ♪

1733
01:14:22,223 --> 01:14:24,056
- Now, the reason
it sounds so good

1734
01:14:24,057 --> 01:14:26,181
is that's just one David Bowie
singing,

1735
01:14:26,182 --> 01:14:30,723
but with his voice put up
a fifth interval.

1736
01:14:30,724 --> 01:14:33,389
- ♪ On the day of execution ♪

1737
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:34,723
♪ ♪

1738
01:14:34,724 --> 01:14:37,222
♪ On the day of execution ♪

1739
01:14:37,223 --> 01:14:38,431
♪ ♪

1740
01:14:38,432 --> 01:14:41,098
♪ Only women kneel and smile ♪

1741
01:14:41,099 --> 01:14:45,098
♪ Ah, ah ♪

1742
01:14:45,099 --> 01:14:48,222
♪ Ah, ah ♪

1743
01:14:48,223 --> 01:14:52,556
♪ At the center of it all ♪

1744
01:14:52,557 --> 01:14:56,306
♪ At the center of it all ♪

1745
01:14:56,307 --> 01:15:00,264
♪ Your eyes ♪

1746
01:15:00,265 --> 01:15:04,681
♪ ♪

1747
01:15:04,682 --> 01:15:06,973
♪ Your eyes ♪

1748
01:15:06,974 --> 01:15:09,598
- He asked me if
I would be interested

1749
01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:12,098
in perhaps putting
some images to this song,

1750
01:15:12,099 --> 01:15:14,681
and then began, you know,
a couple of months of

1751
01:15:14,682 --> 01:15:17,015
a very interesting
collaborative process.

1752
01:15:17,016 --> 01:15:20,639
He would send me drawings

1753
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,389
that he would literally say,

1754
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:24,389
"Do what you want
with these drawings,"

1755
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:26,098
you know?

1756
01:15:26,099 --> 01:15:28,681
He would have this character
that he drew

1757
01:15:28,682 --> 01:15:31,015
with the man with sort of gauze,

1758
01:15:31,016 --> 01:15:32,764
you know, across his face,

1759
01:15:32,765 --> 01:15:35,472
with two buttons for eyes,

1760
01:15:35,473 --> 01:15:37,764
and we named him "Button-Eyes."

1761
01:15:37,765 --> 01:15:41,890
♪ ♪

1762
01:15:41,891 --> 01:15:45,598
And he also sent me an image
of a spaceman

1763
01:15:45,599 --> 01:15:47,514
with a skeleton inside.

1764
01:15:47,515 --> 01:15:53,472
- ♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪

1765
01:15:53,473 --> 01:15:56,890
- To me, it was 100%
Major Tom, you know?

1766
01:15:56,891 --> 01:15:58,848
A character that he had,
you know,

1767
01:15:58,849 --> 01:16:02,306
revisited and used
over his career.

1768
01:16:02,307 --> 01:16:03,890
- Major Tom, for him,

1769
01:16:03,891 --> 01:16:06,514
was like some sort of talisman
or something.

1770
01:16:06,515 --> 01:16:08,723
He was really along
for the ride with David,

1771
01:16:08,724 --> 01:16:11,015
and the idea of space,

1772
01:16:11,016 --> 01:16:13,015
I think, represented--

1773
01:16:13,016 --> 01:16:15,264
Maybe it represented freedom.

1774
01:16:18,182 --> 01:16:20,890
- Major Tom
still means a lot to me.

1775
01:16:20,891 --> 01:16:22,973
It was the first time
I'd been able

1776
01:16:22,974 --> 01:16:24,264
to create a character

1777
01:16:24,265 --> 01:16:26,222
that, uh, was very credible,

1778
01:16:26,223 --> 01:16:28,890
and I think for any writer,
that's a high point.

1779
01:16:28,891 --> 01:16:30,598
He preceded all the others,

1780
01:16:30,599 --> 01:16:32,556
and I suppose one has
his special place for him.

1781
01:16:32,557 --> 01:16:33,848
I do.

1782
01:16:33,849 --> 01:16:37,140
♪ Ground control
to Major Tom ♪

1783
01:16:37,141 --> 01:16:41,264
♪ ♪

1784
01:16:41,265 --> 01:16:44,764
♪ Ground control
to Major Tom ♪

1785
01:16:44,765 --> 01:16:48,181
♪ ♪

1786
01:16:48,182 --> 01:16:51,264
♪ Take your protein pills ♪

1787
01:16:51,265 --> 01:16:55,973
♪ And put your helmet on ♪

1788
01:16:55,974 --> 01:16:57,306
- What is it with spaceships?

1789
01:16:57,307 --> 01:16:58,764
- Well, it's--it's

1790
01:16:58,765 --> 01:16:59,931
an interior dialogue

1791
01:16:59,932 --> 01:17:01,764
that you manifest physically.

1792
01:17:04,599 --> 01:17:08,015
It's my little inner space,
isn't it?

1793
01:17:08,016 --> 01:17:09,514
Writ large.

1794
01:17:09,515 --> 01:17:11,556
I wouldn't dream of
getting on a spaceship.

1795
01:17:11,557 --> 01:17:13,181
It would scare the shit
out of me.

1796
01:17:14,974 --> 01:17:17,639
I have absolutely no interest
or ambition

1797
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,347
to go into space whatsoever.

1798
01:17:19,348 --> 01:17:21,890
I'm scared, going down
the end of the garden.

1799
01:17:23,265 --> 01:17:28,264
♪ Though I'm past
100,000 miles ♪

1800
01:17:28,265 --> 01:17:32,931
♪ I'm feeling very still ♪

1801
01:17:32,932 --> 01:17:36,681
♪ And I think
my spaceship knows ♪

1802
01:17:36,682 --> 01:17:39,140
♪ Which way to go ♪

1803
01:17:39,141 --> 01:17:40,556
♪ ♪

1804
01:17:40,557 --> 01:17:44,639
♪ Tell my wife I love her
very much ♪

1805
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,639
♪ She knows ♪

1806
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,723
♪ ♪

1807
01:17:48,724 --> 01:17:51,806
♪ Ground control
to Major Tom ♪

1808
01:17:51,807 --> 01:17:53,931
♪ Your circuit's dead ♪

1809
01:17:53,932 --> 01:17:55,806
♪ There's something wrong ♪

1810
01:17:55,807 --> 01:17:58,140
♪ Can you hear me,
Major Tom? ♪

1811
01:17:58,141 --> 01:18:02,514
♪ Can you hear me,
Major Tom? ♪

1812
01:18:02,515 --> 01:18:06,389
♪ Can you hear me,
Major Tom? ♪

1813
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:09,056
- Major Tom was
a really great device

1814
01:18:09,057 --> 01:18:11,639
to keep returning to.

1815
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,098
Maybe there was some little,

1816
01:18:13,099 --> 01:18:14,681
you know, obviously a bit of,
maybe,

1817
01:18:14,682 --> 01:18:16,306
sentimental attachment to it,

1818
01:18:16,307 --> 01:18:18,015
because it represented a lot

1819
01:18:18,016 --> 01:18:20,181
in terms of
how he became known to us

1820
01:18:20,182 --> 01:18:21,806
and became famous.

1821
01:18:21,807 --> 01:18:25,347
- ♪ The shrieking
of nothing is killing ♪

1822
01:18:25,348 --> 01:18:29,431
♪ Just pictures of Jap girls
in synthesis ♪

1823
01:18:29,432 --> 01:18:31,764
♪ And I ain't got no money ♪

1824
01:18:31,765 --> 01:18:34,598
♪ And I ain't got no hair ♪

1825
01:18:35,682 --> 01:18:38,015
Something please the air.

1826
01:18:38,016 --> 01:18:40,347
- ♪ But I'm hoping to kick ♪

1827
01:18:40,348 --> 01:18:46,015
♪ But the planet is glowing ♪

1828
01:18:46,016 --> 01:18:50,472
♪ Ashes to ashes
and funk to funky ♪

1829
01:18:50,473 --> 01:18:54,598
♪ We know Major Tom's
a junkie ♪

1830
01:18:54,599 --> 01:18:57,890
♪ Strung out in heaven's high ♪

1831
01:18:57,891 --> 01:19:01,723
♪ Hitting an all-time low ♪

1832
01:19:03,891 --> 01:19:06,973
- He just would take
these bits of the past

1833
01:19:06,974 --> 01:19:09,556
and fashion the future
out of them,

1834
01:19:09,557 --> 01:19:13,056
and Major Tom
was a big part of that.

1835
01:19:13,057 --> 01:19:14,890
♪ ♪

1836
01:19:14,891 --> 01:19:16,181
And he's been looking for home

1837
01:19:16,182 --> 01:19:17,389
for, you know, how long?

1838
01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:18,931
50 years or something.

1839
01:19:18,932 --> 01:19:20,140
You know, a long time,

1840
01:19:20,141 --> 01:19:21,973
Major Tom's been trying to

1841
01:19:21,974 --> 01:19:25,056
find peace and rest,
and he found it in "Blackstar."

1842
01:19:25,057 --> 01:19:27,890
Major Tom is home, finally.

1843
01:19:32,599 --> 01:19:35,140
- "Blackstar," you know--
It's really wildly open

1844
01:19:35,141 --> 01:19:36,639
to interpretation.

1845
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,723
And, uh, I think
he enjoyed this very much,

1846
01:19:38,724 --> 01:19:40,181
like any artist.

1847
01:19:40,182 --> 01:19:42,389
Any great artist
wants you to stand back

1848
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:44,264
and look at the work

1849
01:19:44,265 --> 01:19:45,598
and analyze it,

1850
01:19:45,599 --> 01:19:47,890
and--and feel things from it,

1851
01:19:47,891 --> 01:19:50,848
and you might not
feel the same things.

1852
01:19:50,849 --> 01:19:52,264
The idea of art

1853
01:19:52,265 --> 01:19:54,931
is to stimulate
your own imagination.

1854
01:19:54,932 --> 01:19:56,181
♪ ♪

1855
01:19:56,182 --> 01:20:00,598
- ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪

1856
01:20:00,599 --> 01:20:02,264
- You know, after a week or two

1857
01:20:02,265 --> 01:20:04,598
of us, uh, having these chats

1858
01:20:04,599 --> 01:20:08,222
about Button-Eyes
and the spaceman,

1859
01:20:08,223 --> 01:20:09,931
I get a text message from him,
said, uh,

1860
01:20:09,932 --> 01:20:11,931
"I need to Skype
with you. Can you Skype?"

1861
01:20:11,932 --> 01:20:13,848
And he's saying, "There's
something I have to tell you,"

1862
01:20:13,849 --> 01:20:16,140
um, and I said, "Sure."

1863
01:20:16,141 --> 01:20:17,723
And then he says,

1864
01:20:17,724 --> 01:20:19,514
"I have to tell you that
I'm very ill

1865
01:20:19,515 --> 01:20:21,098
and that I'm probably
gonna die."

1866
01:20:21,099 --> 01:20:22,973
You know?
You know,

1867
01:20:22,974 --> 01:20:24,472
utterly out of the blue.

1868
01:20:24,473 --> 01:20:25,723
You know, just like that.

1869
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:34,264
- Let this be
only coming from me,

1870
01:20:34,265 --> 01:20:36,890
but I think
part of the way I reacted

1871
01:20:36,891 --> 01:20:38,639
also was I felt

1872
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,514
that when he was saying that,

1873
01:20:40,515 --> 01:20:42,389
I thought for a brief second

1874
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:44,306
that he looked scared, actually.

1875
01:20:44,307 --> 01:20:47,306
♪ ♪

1876
01:20:47,307 --> 01:20:49,806
And then, a second later,
he would joke about it.

1877
01:20:49,807 --> 01:20:52,806
You know.

1878
01:20:52,807 --> 01:20:54,514
Over the next
six or eight months,

1879
01:20:54,515 --> 01:20:57,181
the disease or illness
was never mentioned,

1880
01:20:57,182 --> 01:21:00,306
and he was in no way,
in my mind,

1881
01:21:00,307 --> 01:21:02,764
you know, affected
by his illness.

1882
01:21:02,765 --> 01:21:07,347
- ♪ Something happened
on the day he died ♪

1883
01:21:07,348 --> 01:21:12,723
♪ Spirit rose a meter
and stepped aside ♪

1884
01:21:12,724 --> 01:21:15,890
♪ Somebody else
took his place ♪

1885
01:21:15,891 --> 01:21:17,681
♪ And bravely cried ♪

1886
01:21:17,682 --> 01:21:20,514
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1887
01:21:20,515 --> 01:21:23,931
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1888
01:21:23,932 --> 01:21:26,222
- This is, uh, a tradition

1889
01:21:26,223 --> 01:21:27,514
that David and I always had.

1890
01:21:27,515 --> 01:21:29,723
Like, how can we mangle
the voice?

1891
01:21:29,724 --> 01:21:32,264
Eh, you know,
how can we change it

1892
01:21:32,265 --> 01:21:35,347
and make one person
sound like many people

1893
01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:37,389
and in many different contexts

1894
01:21:37,390 --> 01:21:39,306
and in many different
spatial areas?

1895
01:21:39,307 --> 01:21:41,973
- ♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1896
01:21:41,974 --> 01:21:43,514
♪ Way up, oh, honey ♪

1897
01:21:43,515 --> 01:21:44,848
♪ I've got game ♪

1898
01:21:44,849 --> 01:21:46,890
♪ I see right so white ♪

1899
01:21:46,891 --> 01:21:49,556
♪ So open-hearted pain ♪

1900
01:21:49,557 --> 01:21:52,222
♪ I want eagles
in my daydreams ♪

1901
01:21:52,223 --> 01:21:54,389
♪ Diamonds in my eyes ♪

1902
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:56,389
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1903
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:59,181
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1904
01:21:59,182 --> 01:22:03,015
- David is like some, like,
bizarre skeletal choir

1905
01:22:03,016 --> 01:22:05,389
doing "I'm a blackstar,
I'm a blackstar."

1906
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:07,264
It's this weird thing. It's--

1907
01:22:07,265 --> 01:22:09,639
It makes this whole
section very supernatural.

1908
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,681
- ♪ Somebody else
took his place ♪

1909
01:22:12,682 --> 01:22:14,514
♪ And bravely cried ♪

1910
01:22:14,515 --> 01:22:16,931
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1911
01:22:16,932 --> 01:22:19,347
♪ I'm a starstar ♪

1912
01:22:19,348 --> 01:22:22,098
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1913
01:22:22,099 --> 01:22:23,764
♪ I'm a blackstar ♪

1914
01:22:23,765 --> 01:22:26,264
- I imagine it must have
been cathartic for him.

1915
01:22:26,265 --> 01:22:31,264
He was working tirelessly,
both on "Blackstar"

1916
01:22:31,265 --> 01:22:32,806
and on "Lazarus"

1917
01:22:32,807 --> 01:22:34,556
at the same time.

1918
01:22:34,557 --> 01:22:39,264
Um, perhaps the catharsis

1919
01:22:39,265 --> 01:22:41,098
surrounding "Lazarus" was unique

1920
01:22:41,099 --> 01:22:43,723
in as much as its execution

1921
01:22:43,724 --> 01:22:47,140
required him
to relinquish control

1922
01:22:47,141 --> 01:22:48,764
and allow so many other people

1923
01:22:48,765 --> 01:22:52,556
to take it and make it happen.

1924
01:22:52,557 --> 01:22:55,181
- Countryside disappears
beneath our feet.

1925
01:22:55,182 --> 01:22:56,848
- You know, I mean,
I must say, you know,

1926
01:22:56,849 --> 01:22:58,347
there were times
when David and me

1927
01:22:58,348 --> 01:22:59,931
would be reading scenes
together.

1928
01:22:59,932 --> 01:23:02,472
You could feel him more
in there.

1929
01:23:04,974 --> 01:23:06,598
- This isn't happening.

1930
01:23:06,599 --> 01:23:08,514
I'm still inside my head.

1931
01:23:08,515 --> 01:23:10,472
- You know, you forget--
You forget that

1932
01:23:10,473 --> 01:23:11,848
actually, he's--he's--

1933
01:23:11,849 --> 01:23:13,931
Of course, we forgot
that he was dying.

1934
01:23:13,932 --> 01:23:16,140
- I'm done with this life!

1935
01:23:16,141 --> 01:23:18,140
- The cast, of course,
never knew.

1936
01:23:18,141 --> 01:23:20,098
Only me, uh, Ivo, and Robert.

1937
01:23:20,099 --> 01:23:22,140
- And so a new universe.

1938
01:23:22,141 --> 01:23:25,264
I'll dream big up there.

1939
01:23:25,265 --> 01:23:27,140
♪ ♪

1940
01:23:27,141 --> 01:23:31,306
And although always
stuck inside my breaking mind,

1941
01:23:31,307 --> 01:23:32,973
♪ ♪

1942
01:23:32,974 --> 01:23:35,931
I've stepped off the Earth
and into a better place.

1943
01:23:35,932 --> 01:23:39,598
- David didn't want "Heroes"
in "Lazarus,"

1944
01:23:39,599 --> 01:23:41,931
because "Heroes" had become

1945
01:23:41,932 --> 01:23:43,806
like an anthem.

1946
01:23:43,807 --> 01:23:45,472
He wanted a song

1947
01:23:45,473 --> 01:23:47,015
that would have
sent everyone out,

1948
01:23:47,016 --> 01:23:48,264
slitting their wrists.

1949
01:23:48,265 --> 01:23:50,598
♪ ♪

1950
01:23:50,599 --> 01:23:52,514
Ivo and Enda

1951
01:23:52,515 --> 01:23:55,389
persuaded him that if "Heroes"

1952
01:23:55,390 --> 01:23:57,598
was treated, musically,

1953
01:23:57,599 --> 01:23:59,556
in a different way,

1954
01:23:59,557 --> 01:24:01,056
it would work

1955
01:24:01,057 --> 01:24:03,598
for the ending of "Lazarus."

1956
01:24:03,599 --> 01:24:07,264
♪ ♪

1957
01:24:07,265 --> 01:24:11,056
- ♪ I ♪

1958
01:24:11,057 --> 01:24:12,931
♪ I will be king ♪

1959
01:24:12,932 --> 01:24:17,056
♪ ♪

1960
01:24:17,057 --> 01:24:20,639
♪ And you ♪

1961
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,015
♪ You will be queen ♪

1962
01:24:24,016 --> 01:24:26,723
- It's a reflective--
It's a beautiful moment.

1963
01:24:26,724 --> 01:24:29,973
"Heroes" is melancholy
instead of triumphant.

1964
01:24:29,974 --> 01:24:32,639
♪ ♪

1965
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,931
- Through his relationship
with this girl,

1966
01:24:34,932 --> 01:24:37,306
and her re-awakening him

1967
01:24:37,307 --> 01:24:39,389
to his vitality,

1968
01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:42,389
Newton is brought back to life,

1969
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:46,306
that he may ready himself
to die,

1970
01:24:46,307 --> 01:24:48,056
perhaps.

1971
01:24:48,057 --> 01:24:49,890
Or not.

1972
01:24:49,891 --> 01:24:54,890
♪ But we could be safer ♪

1973
01:24:54,891 --> 01:24:59,181
♪ Just for one day ♪

1974
01:24:59,182 --> 01:25:01,723
- In this catharsis moment
at the end with the "Heroes,"

1975
01:25:01,724 --> 01:25:04,431
you know, when things clear up,

1976
01:25:04,432 --> 01:25:06,140
he cuts loose everything which

1977
01:25:06,141 --> 01:25:08,639
what in a normal life
of a normal human being

1978
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,764
is important.

1979
01:25:09,765 --> 01:25:11,306
♪ We can be heroes ♪

1980
01:25:11,307 --> 01:25:12,639
- And then he has to let go

1981
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,514
every hope,

1982
01:25:14,515 --> 01:25:17,098
just accepting,

1983
01:25:17,099 --> 01:25:19,764
well, his own death, at the end.

1984
01:25:19,765 --> 01:25:23,931
♪ We can be heroes ♪

1985
01:25:23,932 --> 01:25:29,222
♪ ♪

1986
01:25:29,223 --> 01:25:32,598
♪ We can be heroes ♪

1987
01:25:32,599 --> 01:25:34,181
- So the last thing
that you see is

1988
01:25:34,182 --> 01:25:37,306
Michael C. Hall
is still on stage, alive,

1989
01:25:37,307 --> 01:25:39,890
but in his mind, he's

1990
01:25:39,891 --> 01:25:42,639
flying away into the stars.

1991
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,890
That's the last image.

1992
01:25:44,891 --> 01:25:49,556
- ♪ Just for one day ♪

1993
01:25:49,557 --> 01:25:56,141
♪ ♪

1994
01:26:05,182 --> 01:26:06,931
- I didn't expect
David to be there

1995
01:26:06,932 --> 01:26:08,472
at our opening night.

1996
01:26:08,473 --> 01:26:10,140
We had heard that
he was getting weak,

1997
01:26:10,141 --> 01:26:13,639
but he so wanted to be there,
and, uh,

1998
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,264
and he turned up,
and he watched it,

1999
01:26:15,265 --> 01:26:16,848
and then afterwards,
and he took the bows with us.

2000
01:26:16,849 --> 01:26:19,764
It was very, very sweet.

2001
01:26:19,765 --> 01:26:21,222
- You know, he got through
the night,

2002
01:26:21,223 --> 01:26:23,556
but I really am convinced that

2003
01:26:23,557 --> 01:26:25,806
he was fighting death

2004
01:26:25,807 --> 01:26:29,514
and he wanted to continue
and to continue

2005
01:26:29,515 --> 01:26:31,973
and then afterwards,
we were sitting a little bit,

2006
01:26:31,974 --> 01:26:33,806
talking behind stage,

2007
01:26:33,807 --> 01:26:36,347
and he said, "Let's start
the second one now,

2008
01:26:36,348 --> 01:26:37,764
the sequel"...

2009
01:26:37,765 --> 01:26:39,015
"To 'Lazarus.'"

2010
01:26:40,849 --> 01:26:43,764
- The last thing I remember
David saying to me

2011
01:26:43,765 --> 01:26:46,431
after, you know, the hugs
and the smiles

2012
01:26:46,432 --> 01:26:48,306
and after, uh,

2013
01:26:48,307 --> 01:26:49,848
after that opening night
performance,

2014
01:26:49,849 --> 01:26:52,848
was "I think it went well
tonight, don't you?"

2015
01:26:52,849 --> 01:26:54,264
That's the last thing

2016
01:26:54,265 --> 01:26:56,140
I remember him saying,
and I said, "Yeah,

2017
01:26:56,141 --> 01:26:57,347
I think it did."

2018
01:26:57,348 --> 01:27:03,890
♪ ♪

2019
01:27:03,891 --> 01:27:06,347
- After the musical opened,

2020
01:27:06,348 --> 01:27:07,848
I got a call saying

2021
01:27:07,849 --> 01:27:10,056
"David would love to see you,"

2022
01:27:10,057 --> 01:27:12,556
and so I went over to see him,

2023
01:27:12,557 --> 01:27:14,556
and he was in his bedroom,

2024
01:27:14,557 --> 01:27:16,556
and we chatted.

2025
01:27:16,557 --> 01:27:19,264
It was all very lovely.

2026
01:27:19,265 --> 01:27:20,890
Peaceful.

2027
01:27:20,891 --> 01:27:25,556
And so then we
walked to the elevator

2028
01:27:25,557 --> 01:27:29,347
and he said, "You're a genius,"

2029
01:27:29,348 --> 01:27:31,764
to me, and I said, "No, no, no.

2030
01:27:31,765 --> 01:27:33,389
"I'm not a genius.

2031
01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:34,890
"I'm just the producer.

2032
01:27:34,891 --> 01:27:37,264
You're the fucking genius."

2033
01:27:37,265 --> 01:27:39,472
And, um,

2034
01:27:39,473 --> 01:27:41,056
we had a hug,

2035
01:27:41,057 --> 01:27:42,514
I got in the elevator.

2036
01:27:42,515 --> 01:27:43,681
That was it.

2037
01:27:43,682 --> 01:27:45,265
Last time I saw him.

2038
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:59,765
♪ ♪

2039
01:28:10,223 --> 01:28:12,264
- David said,
"I just want to make

2040
01:28:12,265 --> 01:28:14,264
a simple performance video,"

2041
01:28:14,265 --> 01:28:17,389
I immediately said,

2042
01:28:17,390 --> 01:28:19,848
"The song is called 'Lazarus.'
You should be in a bed."

2043
01:28:19,849 --> 01:28:21,931
♪ ♪

2044
01:28:21,932 --> 01:28:23,431
To me, that had to do with

2045
01:28:23,432 --> 01:28:25,264
the Biblical aspect of it,
you know?

2046
01:28:25,265 --> 01:28:27,347
The man who would rise again.

2047
01:28:27,348 --> 01:28:30,140
And it had nothing to do
with him being ill.

2048
01:28:30,141 --> 01:28:33,222
That was only because
I liked the imagery of it.

2049
01:28:33,223 --> 01:28:34,806
You know.

2050
01:28:34,807 --> 01:28:35,848
♪ ♪

2051
01:28:35,849 --> 01:28:37,306
I found out later

2052
01:28:37,307 --> 01:28:39,472
that the week we were shooting

2053
01:28:39,473 --> 01:28:40,806
is when he found out

2054
01:28:40,807 --> 01:28:42,973
that this is--it's over,
you know?

2055
01:28:42,974 --> 01:28:44,431
We'll end treatments,
or, you know,

2056
01:28:44,432 --> 01:28:47,931
in whatever capacity
that means that--

2057
01:28:47,932 --> 01:28:49,389
That his illness has won.

2058
01:28:49,390 --> 01:28:52,140
♪ ♪

2059
01:28:52,141 --> 01:28:54,389
- ♪ Look up here ♪

2060
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:56,307
♪ I'm in heaven ♪

2061
01:29:00,057 --> 01:29:02,264
♪ I've got scars ♪

2062
01:29:02,265 --> 01:29:04,432
♪ That can't be seen ♪

2063
01:29:07,473 --> 01:29:09,598
♪ I've got drama ♪

2064
01:29:09,599 --> 01:29:11,640
♪ Can't be stolen ♪

2065
01:29:15,182 --> 01:29:17,389
♪ Everybody ♪

2066
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:19,181
♪ Knows me now ♪

2067
01:29:19,182 --> 01:29:22,347
♪ ♪

2068
01:29:22,348 --> 01:29:24,347
- I've watched him record,

2069
01:29:24,348 --> 01:29:26,015
and he's in that song,

2070
01:29:26,016 --> 01:29:27,556
in that feeling, in that moment.

2071
01:29:27,557 --> 01:29:29,181
He would stand in front
of the mic,

2072
01:29:29,182 --> 01:29:31,723
and for the four or five
minutes he was singing,

2073
01:29:31,724 --> 01:29:34,681
he would pour his heart out.

2074
01:29:34,682 --> 01:29:36,514
The audio picked up
his breathing

2075
01:29:36,515 --> 01:29:38,431
between those lines.

2076
01:29:38,432 --> 01:29:40,848
- ♪ Look up here, man ♪

2077
01:29:40,849 --> 01:29:42,764
♪ I'm in danger ♪

2078
01:29:46,348 --> 01:29:50,182
♪ I've got nothing left
to lose ♪

2079
01:29:53,099 --> 01:29:58,182
♪ I'm so high,
it makes my brain whirl ♪

2080
01:30:01,390 --> 01:30:06,514
♪ Dropped my cell phone
down below ♪

2081
01:30:09,016 --> 01:30:10,639
- It wasn't that
he was out of breath.

2082
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,098
He was, like, hyperventilating
in a way.

2083
01:30:13,099 --> 01:30:16,264
Like, getting--
Getting his energy up

2084
01:30:16,265 --> 01:30:18,556
to sing this,
to deliver this song.

2085
01:30:18,557 --> 01:30:20,681
- ♪ I'll be free ♪

2086
01:30:20,682 --> 01:30:22,556
- He was quite stoked.

2087
01:30:22,557 --> 01:30:24,431
Like I--like I like to say,
in the zone,

2088
01:30:24,432 --> 01:30:26,598
and I could see him
through the window

2089
01:30:26,599 --> 01:30:29,264
that he was, you know,
really feeling it

2090
01:30:29,265 --> 01:30:33,514
♪ ♪

2091
01:30:33,515 --> 01:30:37,222
- ♪ Oh, I'll be free ♪

2092
01:30:41,182 --> 01:30:46,765
♪ Ain't that just like me? ♪

2093
01:30:49,265 --> 01:30:51,556
- A man on top of his game.

2094
01:30:51,557 --> 01:30:53,347
It's brilliant,
absolutely brilliant,

2095
01:30:53,348 --> 01:30:55,431
and the saddest lyrics
to hear--

2096
01:30:55,432 --> 01:30:56,891
Hear them now.

2097
01:31:18,974 --> 01:31:21,306
It's nine minutes past 7:00.

2098
01:31:21,307 --> 01:31:23,556
Well, the shock news
has only just been

2099
01:31:23,557 --> 01:31:25,306
officially confirmed.

2100
01:31:25,307 --> 01:31:26,973
David Bowie is dead.

2101
01:31:26,974 --> 01:31:29,264
- David Bowie,
rock and roll rebel,

2102
01:31:29,265 --> 01:31:31,140
actor, and cultural icon,

2103
01:31:31,141 --> 01:31:32,973
has died at age 69.

2104
01:31:32,974 --> 01:31:37,639
- We lost David Bowie, uh,
this morning...

2105
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,931
um, and it's a big deal.

2106
01:31:41,141 --> 01:31:42,556
- ...have the news crews

2107
01:31:42,557 --> 01:31:44,556
and fans from all around
the world

2108
01:31:44,557 --> 01:31:46,389
leaving full tribute...
- ...In downtown Manhattan,

2109
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:48,264
and you can see behind me...
- He is David Bowie.

2110
01:31:48,265 --> 01:31:50,056
- ...Like his life,
has shocked

2111
01:31:50,057 --> 01:31:52,140
fans laying flowers from his...

2112
01:31:52,141 --> 01:31:54,222
- Even the
Archbishop of Canterbury

2113
01:31:54,223 --> 01:31:56,431
was a fan.

2114
01:31:56,432 --> 01:31:57,806
- ♪ Heaven loves ya ♪

2115
01:31:59,932 --> 01:32:03,472
♪ The clouds part for ya ♪

2116
01:32:03,473 --> 01:32:06,347
♪ Nothing stands in your way ♪

2117
01:32:06,348 --> 01:32:08,181
♪ When you're a boy ♪

2118
01:32:11,182 --> 01:32:13,056
♪ ♪

2119
01:32:13,057 --> 01:32:15,764
♪ Clothes always fit ya ♪

2120
01:32:15,765 --> 01:32:18,681
♪ Life is a pop
of the cherry ♪

2121
01:32:18,682 --> 01:32:20,806
♪ When you're a boy ♪

2122
01:32:20,807 --> 01:32:23,431
It's been a incredibly
full life,

2123
01:32:23,432 --> 01:32:26,098
and, uh, apart from the drugs
in the '70s,

2124
01:32:26,099 --> 01:32:27,848
I think little of it
has been wasted

2125
01:32:27,849 --> 01:32:29,514
in terms of I've been able to

2126
01:32:29,515 --> 01:32:31,764
sort of harness
every moment in a way.

2127
01:32:31,765 --> 01:32:34,015
I'm--I'm a really lucky chap.

2128
01:32:34,016 --> 01:32:35,556
♪ Favorite things ♪

2129
01:32:35,557 --> 01:32:38,431
- And legacy. What--
How would you like

2130
01:32:38,432 --> 01:32:40,306
your legacy written?

2131
01:32:40,307 --> 01:32:41,723
- I'd love people to believe

2132
01:32:41,724 --> 01:32:43,556
that I really had
great haircuts.

2133
01:32:44,558 --> 01:32:45,723
♪ Boys ♪

2134
01:32:45,724 --> 01:32:48,389
♪ ♪

2135
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:50,264
♪ Boys keep swinging ♪

2136
01:32:50,265 --> 01:32:53,348
♪ Boys always work it out ♪

