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[beep] [voicemail] Tuesday, 9:47 am

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[female] Hi, honey.
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to me carefully.

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I am on a plane that has been hijacked.

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I am on a plane.

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I call from the plane.
I want to tell you I love you.

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Please tell my children that I really love them.

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And I'm very sorry, honey.

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I don't know what to say.
There are three people.

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They have hijacked the plane.
I try to calm down.

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We turn around, and I've heard it

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there are planes

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which has been flown to the world trade center.

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I hope to see your face again, honey.

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I love you.
Goodbye.

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Voicemail: End of message.

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Well, the picture I saw, which, of course, uh,

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The most influencing me is the people who dive from the building

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when burning.

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You know, to be put in such a desperate state, you know,

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which shows you are human--

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human reaction to such conditions.

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That's just, uh, it's just rebelling.

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And disgusting that we let it, basically, happen.

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ThinThread is a program

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which will definitely prevent 9/11.

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So everything goes back to the program.

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[Radack] First time

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I met Bill Binney,

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the first thing he said to me was,

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"I want you to know that I will never intentionally

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kill myself."

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I think he's a little overdramatic,

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but then when I start hearing what he says

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about what our country does,

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I am worried about his safety too.

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[Binney] I want to make one thing

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very sure ahead,

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that he can be convinced that I will not commit suicide.

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And I say that because I know that some people are involved

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in this activity,

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and that is a very serious thing

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because people at the highest level

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from the US government involved

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in all departments.

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So I want to make sure that he understands

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that if something happens to me, it's not suicide

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because I will be here with him

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and others to the end.

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I grew up in midwestern Pennsylvania.

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That is basically the Pennsylvania wilderness.

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It's in the hills, in the hills of Appalachia

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right before the mountains.

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This is my father's grave.

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At one time, I asked him, I said, uh,

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"In your service during the war, how many men did you kill?"

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And she said, "maybe one."

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So that's all he said.

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He doesn't really talk about it.

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I think it's very typical of World War II veterans.

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They do what they have to do and they don't really do it

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think that it's different from the others

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in World War II.

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Nobody thought they were heroes.
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their task.

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One of the worst things about war is that they start it

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Forcing others to be as cruel as them to stop it.

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That's what I'm sure he feels.

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He just doesn't want to talk about having to do

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what should he do when in war.

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One of the main reasons we fight is due to mistakes

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by leadership

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because they are given incorrect information

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or they are uniformed about the event, you know, fully.

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So my principle is that I work under

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is ensuring that information

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that I can arrive through the work I do

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informative for leadership so they don't make mistakes.

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[woman] Watch out, be careful.

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Back now for you once again if you just joined us,

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an underground explosion in the garage section

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from the World Trade Center in New York City

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now has killed three people according to New York

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Port Authority

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and has injured at least 150 people.

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Hundreds of people when we talk are still being evacuated

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from the twin story structure structure

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at the southern end of Manhattan Island.

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There is no hope at all.

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Stuck on the 94th floor along the way.

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The walls explode and everything goes blank

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after that.

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The wall collapses, the furniture goes down.

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It's a mess downstairs.

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[Binney] The first attack

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at the Trade Center on & 93;

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that is the first thing that wakes everyone

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in the case of terrorism threats.

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They carry truck bombs to the basement

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and try to place a bomb next to supporters

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for the building

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and set it to try to shake the building

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or destroy support so the building will fall.

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Technically, it doesn't work like that,

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but it kills a lot of people,

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and the CIA really starts hitting drums

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in the entire intelligence community

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to pursue terrorism,

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and that's what we did at the NSA.

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We also search at the same time

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with an explosion in the digital era,

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bend communication on the internet and telephone,

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and the terrorists bury themselves inside

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communication networks that swell around the world.

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So we have to face that as a new technical problem

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that we have to solve to find out

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who communicates with who and who is the terrorist

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and try extracting that information from that stream

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information.

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When I first took on the duties of technical director

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world geopolitical and military analysis

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and report the store,

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I gather analysts from all agencies

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around the world...

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And I said, "okay, we will start

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this small project here,

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and this is what we will do.

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We will graph relationships

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everyone on the telephone network in the world.

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All we have to do is map all the relations

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between two and a half billion cellphones. "

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And someone behind said, "You can't do that."

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And I say, "why not?"

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And they say, "because all combinations are unlimited."

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So I said, "okay, think about this method.

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At each instant point of time

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the number of atoms in the universe is limited.

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Relation to 2.5 billion phones

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is only a subset smaller than that.

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Nothing.

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Now you can get your mind around it.

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That is the overall idea of the ThinThread program.

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[Wiebe] Of all the analysts I have ever known

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throughout my career, starting from the US air force

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through my career at NSA,

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Bill is by far the smartest,

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the most capable,

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right.

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He uses all the necessary tools,

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not only to find the story,

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but to solve it.

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Where we can't really read the message,

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they are encrypted,

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Bill finds a way to utilize the

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indicator  that I never saw someone else do it.

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Bill is Mr. Externals at NSA.

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He is a person at his agency

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who knows best about what we now call

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in the digital era, metadata.

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You can still get information from an external signal,

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and that is Bill's expertise.

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Bill will find a way to encrypt

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to see things that people don't even look for...

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Able to work almost all problems,

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almost all challenges,

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and use mathematics

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and other inherent analytical skills

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and desire to be open-minded,

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not closed minded.

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He has a B.S.
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and he can know when someone blows smoke.

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And he is the agency

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best traffic analyst, no bar.

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[Binney] At 65 65, I came out

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school

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and the Vietnam war began to rampage.

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That's when we still have a draft,

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so people start to be spread from my community.

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And because in the country,

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You are usually pretty good with a shotgun,

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and if you go to the army, you end up at the front line

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do sweep through forests in Vietnam

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and shoot people...

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I really don't want to participate in all of that

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at all.

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I even stopped hunting because I didn't like killing animals.

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So why do I want to be involved with Vietnam?

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I have the option to volunteer for the army to go to Europe.

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They gave me the entire battery test,

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and they say, "Wow, you have a high enough talent

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for analysis."

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So they say, "Hey, you are the prime candidate

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for military security agencies,"

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and they sent me to Turkey.

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We just passed the Cuban Missile Crisis

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which is probably the closest time

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we have ever come to nuclear war,

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and the type of sensitivity of each person to real threats.

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Turkey is looking at the south

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from the Soviet Union.

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They have many areas where they are developing

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military technology.

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I work a rather large military data system,

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Soviet data system, unresolved

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at that time.

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So they will see things like Morse manual

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or broadcast speech or satellite communication.

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Such things produce information

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they call traffic.

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Some of you will record, some of which you will also record

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directly translated

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or converted to character flow.

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Some will continue to be encrypted data,

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that you won't be able to read,

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but you can see the duration and things like that.

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That's probably 20 Russian military,

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so I see the small segment

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trying to develop the techniques needed

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to see what they do.

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That I sat at the table, looking at this abstract data,

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struggling to understand what that means.

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When I go there, it becomes clear to me

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that there are mathematical patterns involved.

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I started seeing systems and relationships,

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so I started building something.

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That allows me to then begin to understand and interpret

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the things we get in terms of communication...

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And connect it to real-world events

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and what actually happens in the field.

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When I arrived at that point, everything started

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to fall into place

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and then you can reconstruct the entire system,

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their entire command and control system

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and everything they do.

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Everything is human behavior.

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Human behavior is very patterned.

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How do people operate?
How do they interact?

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And how it manifests or appears

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in this abstract communication series

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Are you looking?

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This problem reaches the point where you can

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understand the pattern

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and interpret it correctly.

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When you sit there and see a problem like that

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and you see-- You can see patterns and pauses,

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it's fun when you do it.

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That's right.

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Which is basically what we call metadata analysis now.

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Looks like nobody did that.

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So finally the NSA asked me to be reassigned

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to NSA headquarters.

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I got a letter from what we called "God"

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in February of the year & apos; 67.

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[Loomis] Metadata is actually just data

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about data.

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And as a traffic analyst,

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You don't care about what's in the conversation.

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You care who speaks with whom,

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how often they talk, when they speak,

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what are their speech patterns,

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who they are talking to,

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who they are talking to,

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what is subordinated,

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organizational command and control structure?

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[Binney] In May & apos; 68,

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I was moved

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to the current reporting store.

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Early in the summer, the Russians began practicing

273
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or exercise along the border of Czechoslovakia.

274
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I began to see communication

275
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they use to move.

276
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And that's where I started choosing

277
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some very small unique things

278
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it's different from a normal training program.

279
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So I started to catch it.

280
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And I said, "it's clear that they will invade."

281
00:22:05,333 --> 00:22:08,416
Just two days later they actually invaded.

282
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:19,000
That was the first incident I had

283
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direct personal experience with real-world activities  which let me see what's different between that

284
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and training.

285
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:27,500


286
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That gives me an idea of what is a real warning indicator

287
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upcoming action.

288
00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:47,333
Real warning indicators, there are only five.

289
00:22:47,333 --> 00:22:50,416
Five, that's all.
Only five warning indicators.

290
00:22:50,416 --> 00:22:54,208
I mean, they might have a hundred warning indicators

291
00:22:50,416 --> 00:22:54,208
in the list,

292
00:22:54,208 --> 00:22:56,166
but none of them means anything.

293
00:22:56,166 --> 00:22:59,041
Five real ones are not even in the list.

294
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Okay, so I have five of me

295
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and the rest doesn't mean to me.

296
00:23:03,541 --> 00:23:05,708
So I only pay attention to those five people.

297
00:23:05,708 --> 00:23:09,958
And that's only case by case from time to time, for decades,

298
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You can see every time they will do something.

299
00:23:12,916 --> 00:23:14,708
One or more of these,

300
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one or two of these will at least appear.

301
00:23:34,458 --> 00:23:39,250
When the Yom Kippur War came in & apos; 73,

302
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:43,500
once again, the warning indicator starts to appear.

303
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:53,541
And once again at os 79 with Afghanistan.

304
00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:57,958
It was about a week before the invasion.

305
00:23:57,958 --> 00:24:00,833
It's very close to the Christmas holidays.

306
00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:04,416
So at that time, I said, "well, they will approach

307
00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:04,416
until midnight on Christmas Eve

308
00:24:04,416 --> 00:24:08,666
because that's when everyone will fall asleep

309
00:24:04,416 --> 00:24:08,666
in the free world."

310
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And that's what they do.

311
00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:13,750
I go one hour.

312
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:32,208
I don't understand why many people can't see

313
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:32,208
what can I see.

314
00:24:34,916 --> 00:24:36,750
I do not see that understanding

315
00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:41,541
as something more than just a greater understanding

316
00:24:41,541 --> 00:24:44,458
people and how they operate.

317
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:55,625
[Drake] I sit at the terrorism table

318
00:24:55,625 --> 00:24:59,708
at the Pentagon in 1993  I was at the table when they tried to drop

319
00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:02,416


320
00:25:02,416 --> 00:25:05,333
The World Trade Center rose for the first time with a truck bomb.

321
00:25:06,833 --> 00:25:09,875
That's when I first learned about Osama bin Laden.

322
00:25:12,375 --> 00:25:17,333
I remember clearly publishing a report

323
00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:21,583
where we say this is a serious problem.

324
00:25:21,583 --> 00:25:26,541
This is not a one-time event.

325
00:25:26,541 --> 00:25:28,416
There is a bigger movement here,

326
00:25:28,416 --> 00:25:31,458
and they plan to do more.

327
00:25:31,458 --> 00:25:33,500
Al-Qaeda, base,

328
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,416
and Osama bin Laden as their leaders

329
00:25:35,416 --> 00:25:37,458
not only issued a statement,

330
00:25:37,458 --> 00:25:40,958
they really call for action.

331
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,708
Senior military officer, J2,

332
00:25:45,708 --> 00:25:47,375
report to the joint chief of staff,

333
00:25:47,375 --> 00:25:49,791
come to our warning center

334
00:25:49,791 --> 00:25:52,833
at the National Military Joint Intelligence Center,

335
00:25:52,833 --> 00:25:54,791
and he said, "Yes, I'm reading your report.

336
00:25:54,791 --> 00:25:58,125
Who cares about some rombong spouting fatwas

337
00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:01,041
in the desert under a fig tree?

338
00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:02,875
Who cares?

339
00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:04,333
Not a threat. "

340
00:26:15,291 --> 00:26:19,666
[Roark] National Security Agency

341
00:26:15,291 --> 00:26:19,666
has traditionally been

342
00:26:19,666 --> 00:26:25,416
one of the most productive US intelligence agencies.

343
00:26:25,416 --> 00:26:31,583
We have relied heavily on it since World War II

344
00:26:25,416 --> 00:26:31,583
at least.

345
00:26:34,916 --> 00:26:38,833
When I get a National Security Agency account,

346
00:26:38,833 --> 00:26:42,875
I have heard that they are in very good condition.

347
00:26:42,875 --> 00:26:46,541
I go for intensive briefing rounds,

348
00:26:46,541 --> 00:26:48,750
and after about three months,

349
00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:53,208
I am shocked by the poor condition of the institution.

350
00:26:54,666 --> 00:26:58,833
We are very unprepared for the digital age.

351
00:26:58,833 --> 00:27:03,916
But the National Security Agency's management continues to think

352
00:27:03,916 --> 00:27:06,000
that they are the best in the world

353
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,750
and have the best technology

354
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:11,375
because this is always their reputation

355
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:12,958
and they are sure

356
00:27:12,958 --> 00:27:15,541
that there is no fundamental problem.

357
00:27:15,541 --> 00:27:18,500
I am sure that there is a fundamental problem,

358
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:22,500
both technical and cultural,

359
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:26,833
and I became very worried very quickly.

360
00:27:26,833 --> 00:27:30,833
[Loomis] Look, they sink

361
00:27:26,833 --> 00:27:30,833
in garbage.

362
00:27:30,833 --> 00:27:36,083
The processes that exist before ThinThread appear

363
00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:40,250
are illegal garbage collectors,

364
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,541
and they throw away all things

365
00:27:42,541 --> 00:27:44,541
into a very large storage system

366
00:27:44,541 --> 00:27:47,833
and analysts stutter trying to find out,

367
00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:51,250
good, you know, "what's important to me?"

368
00:28:08,958 --> 00:28:13,458
[Binney] ThinThread is the way we try

369
00:28:08,958 --> 00:28:13,458
to overcome the digital era.

370
00:28:16,583 --> 00:28:20,833
That is a question to be able to manage the volume of data.

371
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:23,541
The terrorists use all cellphones,

372
00:28:23,541 --> 00:28:28,000
all land line phones, all internet connections

373
00:28:23,541 --> 00:28:28,000
to communicate.

374
00:28:30,541 --> 00:28:33,541
So it's a new Cold War, if you want,

375
00:28:33,541 --> 00:28:37,000
is a digital world explosion around the world.

376
00:28:38,958 --> 00:28:41,583
NSA takes a different perspective that says,

377
00:28:41,583 --> 00:28:43,500
"let's collect everything

378
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,166
and then we will ask our analyst to find out later."

379
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,083
The problem is, after they collect everything,

380
00:28:52,083 --> 00:28:54,166
Your analyst can't find out.

381
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:56,833
Too much.
They can't pass it

382
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:56,833
every day.

383
00:28:56,833 --> 00:29:01,208
They will make their database interesting and they have hundreds of

384
00:28:56,833 --> 00:29:01,208
thousands of returns.

385
00:29:01,208 --> 00:29:04,458
You can't pass it.

386
00:29:04,458 --> 00:29:07,333
You bury your analyst with meaningless data.

387
00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:17,458
That's when I started to see what we had to do

388
00:29:17,458 --> 00:29:20,500
to solve data volume problems

389
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:25,083
and how we can isolate important things

390
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:25,083
for our analysts to see.

391
00:29:25,083 --> 00:29:27,375
And the key is metadata.

392
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,291
Only uses metadata in terms of relationships

393
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,291
throughout the network.

394
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:41,125
So you don't need to look internally at the content.

395
00:29:41,125 --> 00:29:43,166
You pay more attention to relationships

396
00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:44,958
of people who communicate

397
00:29:44,958 --> 00:29:47,708
or organizations that communicate in the world.

398
00:29:47,708 --> 00:29:51,708
So that's how you can look into a large amount of data

399
00:29:47,708 --> 00:29:51,708
fast enough,

400
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,125
effective, and interesting data

401
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,125
is relevant

402
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,375
to the target you want to analyze.

403
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:13,791
My biggest fear in all my work at NSA

404
00:30:13,791 --> 00:30:17,708
is fear of human inaccuracy and human failure

405
00:30:17,708 --> 00:30:19,708
in terms of interpreting things correctly

406
00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:22,750
or in terms of recognizing something.

407
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,541
I feel that the process must be fully automatic

408
00:30:27,541 --> 00:30:30,291
as much as possible so that information is entered

409
00:30:30,291 --> 00:30:33,041
untouched by human hands.

410
00:30:37,791 --> 00:30:39,291
Oops.

411
00:30:47,625 --> 00:30:50,416
Many people call me things like "Great Satan,"

412
00:30:50,416 --> 00:30:55,208
or, you know, "the evil one," I think,

413
00:30:55,208 --> 00:30:57,458
and many other names, you know.

414
00:31:12,625 --> 00:31:15,291
So I have a group of people who don't want to talk to me

415
00:31:15,291 --> 00:31:17,250
or get involved with me

416
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:21,833
because they feel that if they do, they will lose their jobs.

417
00:31:30,208 --> 00:31:33,541
I was sitting at my desk in pencil and paper  trying to build the Soviet military structure

418
00:31:33,541 --> 00:31:36,583
command and control system, of all strengths.

419
00:31:36,583 --> 00:31:41,000
To do this, I need a little help

420
00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:48,208
from experts in cryptologists.

421
00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:48,208
So I came to them to get the part they had

422
00:31:48,208 --> 00:31:52,666
in ownership.

423
00:31:48,208 --> 00:31:52,666
And they come back with a very small answer,

424
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:56,416
and I say, "if you don't want to solve this problem,

425
00:31:56,416 --> 00:32:00,291


426
00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:04,375
just give a little and I will do it. "

427
00:32:04,375 --> 00:32:06,791
I can't wait for them.

428
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:17,458
For nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles to be fired,

429
00:32:17,458 --> 00:32:19,458
it takes no more than 30 minutes

430
00:32:19,458 --> 00:32:21,750
to go from one continent to another.

431
00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:31,416
That means you want to reply or not

432
00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:33,083
before a weapon starts landing,

433
00:32:33,083 --> 00:32:35,791
You have 30 minutes to make that decision.
For a long time

434
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:58,416
in my career at NSA,

435
00:32:58,416 --> 00:33:01,583
I tried to work-- this might be running

436
00:33:01,583 --> 00:33:04,000
sequence 13 years,

437
00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:41,375
I tried to work with computer people

438
00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:45,583
because I want them to do certain programs

439
00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:45,583
that will help me in what I try to do.

440
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:48,541


441
00:33:48,541 --> 00:33:50,791


442
00:33:50,791 --> 00:33:54,000


443
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,833
Every time I ask them to do something for me,

444
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:02,916
they will say, "okay, please send us a memo

445
00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:05,416
say you have this requirement."

446
00:34:08,416 --> 00:34:11,750
So I will send a memo to them after the memo.

447
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:14,416
That gives them requirements.

448
00:34:14,416 --> 00:34:16,833
That requirement gives them justification

449
00:34:16,833 --> 00:34:20,500
go to congress or other people internally at NSA

450
00:34:16,833 --> 00:34:20,500
and ask for money.

451
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,416
So it helps them build their empire, you know?

452
00:34:23,416 --> 00:34:25,750
But in the meantime, they will never solve my problem.

453
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:30,375
They will only take money and keep asking me

454
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:30,375
other requirements.

455
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:39,375
At one time in 1983,

456
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:43,291
The magic of this PC appears on my desk.

457
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,625
I have a friend who is possible

458
00:34:48,625 --> 00:34:51,208
the best C language programmer at NSA.

459
00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:53,583
His name is Bill, too, and I say, "Bill,

460
00:34:53,583 --> 00:34:55,500
What do you think we can do with this PC?

461
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,250
If I can get a shared algorithm,

462
00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:59,291
do you think you can program it in this

463
00:34:59,291 --> 00:35:02,166
two disk drives, 64k ram pc?

464
00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,333
He said, "Yes, I think I can do that."

465
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,500
I say, "extraordinary."  So we will type questions from the problem unresolved

466
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:14,083
from the database...

467
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:14,083
and rising will appear the answer. my small pc drive

468
00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:20,041
and get the answer right away.

469
00:35:20,041 --> 00:35:23,208
So I have to tell the computer people,

470
00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:25,375
and I say, "You know, I have this little program

471
00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:28,166
below here.

472
00:35:28,166 --> 00:35:30,541


473
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:36,291


474
00:35:36,291 --> 00:35:38,625


475
00:35:36,291 --> 00:35:38,625


476
00:35:38,625 --> 00:35:40,291
You might want to see this. "

477
00:35:40,291 --> 00:35:42,791
And I have this template from the database,

478
00:35:42,791 --> 00:35:44,625
and I will go through," see, it doesn't finish this here.

479
00:35:42,791 --> 00:35:44,625
Watch this here. "

480
00:35:44,625 --> 00:35:46,125
And I will put it in my little PC,

481
00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:48,625
and the answer will come.

482
00:35:48,625 --> 00:35:51,500
There is one more, and I will type it there,

483
00:35:48,625 --> 00:35:51,500
and up will appear the answer.

484
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:54,166
They start sweating , I can see.

485
00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:56,416
And I say, "don't you think it's neat?"

486
00:35:56,416 --> 00:35:58,458
He said, "Yes, don't you think it should be

487
00:35:56,416 --> 00:35:58,458
are on the mainframe? "

488
00:35:58,458 --> 00:36:00,541
I say," sure. I think it's supposed to be

489
00:35:58,458 --> 00:36:00,541
on mainframe.

490
00:36:00,541 --> 00:36:02,958
Why don't you send me a memo and I will give it to you? "

491
00:36:02,958 --> 00:36:05,083
I think it's great.

492
00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:10,750
In this process, of course, I study, very simply,

493
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:13,458
if you want something done, you just have to do it.

494
00:36:13,458 --> 00:36:17,916
You never ask permission, just ask forgiveness,

495
00:36:13,458 --> 00:36:17,916
if you have to.

496
00:36:17,916 --> 00:36:20,166
In the end, sometimes you don't need to do it.

497
00:36:20,166 --> 00:36:23,500
After you solve the problem, it's no longer a problem.

498
00:36:32,416 --> 00:36:34,666
My philosophy is very simple.

499
00:36:34,666 --> 00:36:36,708
If someone says something is impossible,

500
00:36:36,708 --> 00:36:39,375
that's something you have to do.

501
00:36:39,375 --> 00:36:41,958
It's like open thinking.
You do not limit your thinking.

502
00:36:41,958 --> 00:36:45,416
You let it float wherever it wants.

503
00:36:45,416 --> 00:36:49,916
So it gives you ideas about how you can be creative

504
00:36:45,416 --> 00:36:49,916
in any environment.

505
00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:51,750
And that's what I'm looking for,

506
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:54,291
Be creative wherever I go.

507
00:36:54,291 --> 00:36:57,750
And that's what is called SARC, Sigint Automation  Research Center,

508
00:36:54,291 --> 00:36:57,750
all about.

509
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:59,625


510
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:31,750
[Drake] The SARC is this

511
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:31,750
Organization skunk work,

512
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:34,166
about a dozen people.

513
00:37:34,166 --> 00:37:37,333
Bill Binney is one of the founders.

514
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:39,750
Ed Loomis is an integrator.

515
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:43,833
Kirk Weibe at that time was like a business manager  and analyst.

516
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:43,833
And they also have other people's supporters.

517
00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:47,291
And they have several contractors.

518
00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:47,291
SARC prides itself on having a very small team

519
00:37:47,291 --> 00:37:51,958
it's very creative and flexible.

520
00:37:51,958 --> 00:37:57,125
They don't want a lot of bureaucracy.

521
00:37:57,125 --> 00:37:59,416
They have a very low profile when I ask

522
00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:03,041
briefing from them,

523
00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:03,041
management doesn't even know about them.

524
00:38:03,041 --> 00:38:05,791
They must fight to find out who they are.

525
00:38:05,791 --> 00:38:09,416
They hide a bit until their system is perfect.

526
00:38:09,416 --> 00:38:15,000
[Drake] That's amazing

527
00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:20,666
organization.

528
00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:20,666


529
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:23,833
And Bill, he is the algorithmic brain.

530
00:38:23,833 --> 00:38:27,875
He is a crypto-mathematician behind the algorithm

531
00:38:27,875 --> 00:38:30,250
from what is known as ThinThread.

532
00:38:38,833 --> 00:38:41,500
People say to me, "You must be afraid of Bill."

533
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,416
And the reason you have to be afraid of Bill

534
00:38:46,416 --> 00:38:49,333
is he like this super crypto-mathematician.

535
00:38:49,333 --> 00:38:52,708
And if something goes wrong, he will destroy you.

536
00:38:54,791 --> 00:38:58,541
So I finally called him, we made an agreement to meet,

537
00:38:58,541 --> 00:39:00,875
and I finally appeared in his office one morning.

538
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:03,541
I spent several hours with him,

539
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:03,541
and that's immediately clear

540
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:06,916
in the first 15 minutes we will do it

541
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:06,916
really, very good.

542
00:39:06,916 --> 00:39:11,583
Because of the whole first part of our conversation

543
00:39:11,583 --> 00:39:13,125
are all mathematically based.

544
00:39:13,125 --> 00:39:16,583
The thing Bill likes best is mathematics.

545
00:39:16,583 --> 00:39:19,791
As soon as someone proposes something mathematical,

546
00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:22,416
His eyes are really lit and he's happy

547
00:39:22,416 --> 00:39:24,750
and he will start talking about it, you know?

548
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:26,500
He only loves mathematics.

549
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,125
And amazingly he found his profession,

550
00:39:30,125 --> 00:39:32,250
You know, what he really has to do.

551
00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,833
[Binney] The beauty of mathematics

552
00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,833
is an effort

553
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:41,833
for common sense structure

554
00:39:41,833 --> 00:39:44,833
and consistency in the universe.

555
00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:50,750
That's all.

556
00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:56,041
There is no chaos.

557
00:39:56,041 --> 00:39:59,958
Nothing is unlimited.

558
00:39:59,958 --> 00:40:03,125
Everything is structured.

559
00:40:05,541 --> 00:40:08,541
And it's only a matter of finding that structure.

560
00:40:29,541 --> 00:40:32,208
I basically imagine the

561
00:40:32,208 --> 00:40:36,500


562
00:40:43,416 --> 00:40:47,666
graph  as a very large globe, look?

563
00:40:50,125 --> 00:40:52,750
With a total of about 7 billion nodes in it, or dots.

564
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,791
And has all the connections of all these individuals

565
00:40:57,791 --> 00:41:01,250
with all the other connections they have anywhere in the world.

566
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:16,250
Think of yourself as drifting into the world.

567
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:22,041
So you will enter the world

568
00:41:22,041 --> 00:41:25,250
and you can go anywhere anywhere in the world

569
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:28,208
and look at a certain point to see the relationship

570
00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:31,333
they have all the points in the world.

571
00:41:36,541 --> 00:41:39,791
When you go to the world, you choose a point,

572
00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:43,291
and you can pull it out of the relationship graph,

573
00:41:43,291 --> 00:41:45,166
and with that will come all nodes

574
00:41:45,166 --> 00:41:49,125
that he has a relationship with.

575
00:41:49,125 --> 00:41:51,916
When you pull the node out and the community, if you want,

576
00:41:51,916 --> 00:41:53,375
the social network it has,

577
00:41:53,375 --> 00:41:55,166
You pull all backup data

578
00:41:55,166 --> 00:41:58,416
which creates the relationship to start

579
00:41:58,416 --> 00:42:01,291
so you can now set the relationship time

580
00:42:01,291 --> 00:42:04,000
and see interactions over a certain period of time

581
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,041
whatever you want to find.

582
00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:10,291
So that's how I imagine graphics.

583
00:42:24,958 --> 00:42:29,333
[Loomis] My interest is

584
00:42:24,958 --> 00:42:29,333
in making Bill Binney happy.

585
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:32,375
Bill Binney is a traffic analyst.

586
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:38,166
So my focus is actually creating metadata for him

587
00:42:38,166 --> 00:42:42,500
that he can do analytic traffic.

588
00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:49,458
You can extract a lot about someone's life

589
00:42:49,458 --> 00:42:52,250
just by looking at metadata.

590
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:57,333
And today, when you take all metadata

591
00:42:57,333 --> 00:43:01,041
that appears throughout the world

592
00:43:01,041 --> 00:43:03,958
by GPS, by your mobile,

593
00:43:03,958 --> 00:43:07,208
by your transponder

594
00:43:07,208 --> 00:43:10,541
for your E-Zpass on the highway,

595
00:43:10,541 --> 00:43:15,375
with your credit card when you enter it in the ATM machine

596
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:19,125
or when you put it in the cash register,

597
00:43:19,125 --> 00:43:21,500
check-out line,

598
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,416
all the data is put together all

599
00:43:24,416 --> 00:43:29,708
and everything goes back to you, individual.

600
00:43:31,416 --> 00:43:34,625
It doesn't matter what you say in an email  or what website you visit or what you download.

601
00:43:34,625 --> 00:43:40,291
What matters is your digital behavior pattern

602
00:43:40,291 --> 00:43:45,833
and what fingerprints he left

603
00:43:45,833 --> 00:43:48,333
of what you have done.

604
00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:50,416
I started building my part of what I was considering

605
00:44:06,791 --> 00:44:11,041
ThinThread program,

606
00:44:06,791 --> 00:44:11,041
which is the backend for data analysis

607
00:44:11,041 --> 00:44:14,916
after being acquired.

608
00:44:11,041 --> 00:44:14,916
Ed is doing a front end, doing sessionizer

609
00:44:14,916 --> 00:44:17,125
collect data together

610
00:44:17,125 --> 00:44:18,666
and assemble it for me to see.

611
00:44:18,666 --> 00:44:21,708
Ed sessionizer is our starting point

612
00:44:27,083 --> 00:44:29,083
to access and scan the internet for important information.

613
00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:33,791
I am sure that the internet is a new way

614
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,083
communication

615
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,083
for terrorists and criminals.

616
00:44:43,083 --> 00:44:45,166


617
00:44:45,166 --> 00:44:47,125
And we knew at that time that some of them

618
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:49,333
has moved in that direction.

619
00:44:54,333 --> 00:44:57,041
[Drake] Internet explodes.

620
00:44:57,041 --> 00:44:59,291
NSA is actually catching up.

621
00:44:59,291 --> 00:45:02,791
They are so far behind time.

622
00:45:02,791 --> 00:45:07,250
NSA management seriously considers, not kidding,

623
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:12,000
do they really give people

624
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:12,000
e-mail technology.

625
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000
And the reason is we don't know what they are doing

626
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000
to send each other.

627
00:45:18,708 --> 00:45:22,208
And there are no secrets that are worth knowing on the internet.

628
00:45:22,208 --> 00:45:24,875
Everything is open.
It's no secret.

629
00:45:24,875 --> 00:45:28,083
There is no effort.
We want real secrets.

630
00:45:28,083 --> 00:45:29,500
We don't-- internet?

631
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,166
You can't have a secret internet.

632
00:45:39,083 --> 00:45:41,875
Around 1996, I believe that,

633
00:45:41,875 --> 00:45:45,458
we found Inmarsat Osama bin Laden's phone number,

634
00:45:45,458 --> 00:45:48,416
and we use it to follow its movements

635
00:45:48,416 --> 00:45:52,583
and intentions from & apos; 96 to & apos; 98.

636
00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:55,083
Until someone compromises the facts

637
00:45:55,083 --> 00:45:58,000
that we have a specific telephone number,

638
00:45:55,083 --> 00:45:58,000
and he gave the number.

639
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,791
And after that, we lost it as a source

640
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,791
intelligence.

641
00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:24,000
[Koppel] More than 80 people died,

642
00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:24,000
more than 1,700 people are injured

643
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,000
in two bomb blasts today, which exploded for only a few minutes

644
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,625
and 450 miles apart.

645
00:46:30,625 --> 00:46:33,875
The explosion will explode at the US embassy

646
00:46:33,875 --> 00:46:36,625
in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya,

647
00:46:36,625 --> 00:46:39,041
clearly a part of someone's war

648
00:46:39,041 --> 00:46:42,250
against the United States, although it's still unclear

649
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:44,791
at this hour who is our enemy.

650
00:46:44,791 --> 00:46:47,125
[man] There is smoke

651
00:46:44,791 --> 00:46:47,125
and debris everywhere.

652
00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:50,333
We immediately leave the office because we don't know

653
00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:50,333
What has happened.

654
00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:52,250
And there are people who are naked there,

655
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:57,291
and everyone we visit is covered in blood.

656
00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,583
[newscaster] We join now

657
00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,583
from the White House

658
00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:02,708
by US national security adviser, Sandy Burger.

659
00:47:02,708 --> 00:47:06,000
Is this a US intelligence failure?

660
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,416
[Burger] Well, the investigation

661
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,416
is happening.

662
00:47:08,416 --> 00:47:10,666
I don't believe that is the problem, and I think that will happen

663
00:47:10,666 --> 00:47:13,666
it's not appropriate for me to comment on

664
00:47:13,666 --> 00:47:17,000
what we know, what we don't know.

665
00:47:25,416 --> 00:47:27,958
[Binney] In August 1998,

666
00:47:27,958 --> 00:47:33,166
we managed to set up our sessionizer

667
00:47:27,958 --> 00:47:33,166
at the optical fiber level.

668
00:47:35,125 --> 00:47:37,541
Ed gives a copy of the sessionizer

669
00:47:37,541 --> 00:47:39,791
to our friends in Bad Aibling,

670
00:47:39,791 --> 00:47:44,500
one of our echelon sites to collect data

671
00:47:39,791 --> 00:47:44,500
in southern Germany.

672
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:47,166
We just want to say, "here, why don't you try this

673
00:47:47,166 --> 00:47:50,000
and see what you think and give us feedback."

674
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,875
And he said, "Wow, this sessionizer really looks

675
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,875
great and works great."

676
00:47:54,875 --> 00:47:58,375
He said, you know, "I thought I would put it on the whole site."

677
00:48:04,458 --> 00:48:09,166
They put it on their system Friday night.

678
00:48:09,166 --> 00:48:11,250
And when they do that,

679
00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:14,500
starts to produce so much information

680
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,083
and return it to NSA

681
00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:20,458
that on Saturday morning it almost fell

682
00:48:20,458 --> 00:48:23,958
all storage systems inside the NSA.

683
00:48:26,708 --> 00:48:31,625
Too much data entered. They can't handle it.

684
00:48:31,625 --> 00:48:36,875
[Loomis] We were told that it brought

685
00:48:31,625 --> 00:48:36,875
storage system to his knee.

686
00:48:38,125 --> 00:48:41,125
And we turn it off.

687
00:48:41,125 --> 00:48:44,083
So one programmer must come during the weekend

688
00:48:44,083 --> 00:48:46,500
and turn off sessionizer.

689
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:58,500
[Binney] This particular test

690
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:58,500
clearly shows

691
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,500
that there is more data there

692
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:04,041
is far more valuable as a source of information

693
00:49:04,041 --> 00:49:08,083
from anyone who is aware at the NSA.

694
00:49:08,083 --> 00:49:09,875
This is a kind of wake up call

695
00:49:09,875 --> 00:49:11,583
which I think makes it clear to them

696
00:49:11,583 --> 00:49:13,458
that they need to open their minds

697
00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:16,041
to a much larger scale than they think.

698
00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:19,208
[beeping]

699
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,458
[Wiebe] I've heard about Bill Binney,

700
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,458
but haven't really met him.

701
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,291
I call him.
I said, "Bill,

702
00:49:45,291 --> 00:49:47,041
Can I go down and see you

703
00:49:47,041 --> 00:49:50,291
and what your organization is doing?"

704
00:49:52,083 --> 00:49:55,666
He said, "sure. Come down."

705
00:49:55,666 --> 00:49:58,666
So I went down, I joined Bill Binney

706
00:49:58,666 --> 00:50:02,666
at the Sigint Automation Research Center.

707
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:06,875
And I looked around, and when I met these people

708
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:06,875
and talk to them

709
00:50:06,875 --> 00:50:09,708
and interview them, find out who did what,

710
00:50:09,708 --> 00:50:14,541
and start seeing results from their efforts,

711
00:50:14,541 --> 00:50:17,750
I became really excited.

712
00:50:19,875 --> 00:50:24,041
In the face of the challenges of big data,

713
00:50:24,041 --> 00:50:28,041
digital communication, and internet,

714
00:50:28,041 --> 00:50:31,333
I see the answer right in front of me.

715
00:50:33,041 --> 00:50:36,083
This small research organization

716
00:50:36,083 --> 00:50:40,125
has the key to the future of the NSA.

717
00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:44,041
My immediate attention is

718
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:47,416
Do anyone else know that?

719
00:50:47,416 --> 00:50:49,833
Do they even recognize--

720
00:50:49,833 --> 00:50:53,458
is there anyone in any position of influence or power

721
00:50:53,458 --> 00:50:57,875
even recognize what they have?

722
00:51:16,083 --> 00:51:18,250
[Roark] I am aware of technology

723
00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:21,916
that goes to ThinThread from 1997.

724
00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:30,458
I got a formal explanation from Bill and Ed and their team,

725
00:51:30,458 --> 00:51:32,916
and I think it's very impressive  compared to what I heard at the NSA.

726
00:51:32,916 --> 00:51:36,208
I think it looks very promising.

727
00:51:37,666 --> 00:51:41,125
I started giving them money.

728
00:51:41,125 --> 00:51:43,416
And I will make Congress agree

729
00:51:43,416 --> 00:51:45,833
to ensure that they are funded to be developed

730
00:51:45,833 --> 00:51:50,666
their system...

731
00:51:45,833 --> 00:51:50,666
Because the agency admits they must update

732
00:51:55,375 --> 00:51:59,625
to the digital era from the analog era.

733
00:51:59,625 --> 00:52:03,375
They haven't started yet.

734
00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:06,208
And even under analog systems,

735
00:52:06,208 --> 00:52:08,250
there is a flood of incoming data.

736
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:12,333
And after you get digital data,

737
00:52:12,333 --> 00:52:14,041
You get this high capacity pipeline,

738
00:52:14,041 --> 00:52:16,125
it will be much worse.

739
00:52:16,125 --> 00:52:18,375
So it will be important that there are several ways

740
00:52:18,375 --> 00:52:22,458
to choose a target from this.

741
00:52:22,458 --> 00:52:24,375


742
00:52:24,375 --> 00:52:27,083
Some ways are far better than the keyword system

743
00:52:27,083 --> 00:52:30,208
the NSA used at that time.

744
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:45,416
[Binney] Shortly after that

745
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:45,416
Bad Aibling test,

746
00:52:45,416 --> 00:52:47,500
we have the entire system running,

747
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:51,541
then from there, we take more data

748
00:52:51,541 --> 00:52:55,000
a large number of cellphones and a large number of computers.

749
00:53:01,458 --> 00:53:07,083
We started to consolidate it into my big chart,

750
00:53:07,083 --> 00:53:09,500
which we call the big ass graph.

751
00:53:14,375 --> 00:53:16,500
We begin to attract large amounts of data

752
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,166
and the system works fine,

753
00:53:18,166 --> 00:53:20,958
we can see there is no limit to that...

754
00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:28,958
Building relationships between billions of people.

755
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,958
I mean, we're talking trillions of transactions.

756
00:53:39,291 --> 00:53:41,583
It is quite clear that we are building

757
00:53:41,583 --> 00:53:46,250
the most powerful analytical tool that has been developed

758
00:53:41,583 --> 00:53:46,250
in history

759
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:50,916
to monitor, basically, the whole world

760
00:53:50,916 --> 00:53:53,083
in the near future.

761
00:54:08,916 --> 00:54:13,500
This automatically monitors each member of the population.

762
00:54:16,083 --> 00:54:19,583
You attack everyone's privacy.

763
00:54:22,625 --> 00:54:24,458
That doesn't match democracy.

764
00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:27,250
That is not appropriate.

765
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:32,041
It's like a station on super steroids

766
00:54:32,041 --> 00:54:34,958
or KGB on super steroids, huh?

767
00:54:34,958 --> 00:54:38,333
These are things they can't even dream of.

768
00:54:43,625 --> 00:54:46,333
That's where I, specifically, say we have to do something

769
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:48,291
to protect individuals here,

770
00:54:48,291 --> 00:54:50,291
especially those who are innocent

771
00:54:50,291 --> 00:54:52,958
doing nothing wrong.

772
00:54:52,958 --> 00:54:57,500
There is no reason to have this data about them.

773
00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:19,375
[Roark] General Hayden appears

774
00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:19,375
as the new director of the NSA.

775
00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:22,375
At that time, congressional intelligence staff

776
00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:24,958
have become very disappointed

777
00:55:24,958 --> 00:55:28,500
with NSA's ability to manage modernization.

778
00:55:30,291 --> 00:55:33,041
He rather comes in the sense of

779
00:55:33,041 --> 00:55:35,208
that he is willing to make changes,

780
00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:38,333
although not necessarily in the area

781
00:55:38,333 --> 00:55:41,250
that congress is focused on,

782
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:44,375
and he is a very fast speaker.

783
00:55:44,375 --> 00:55:47,166
When he will direct the members, he will speak very quickly.

784
00:55:47,166 --> 00:55:52,000
He will use all types of parables and analogies

785
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,500
and everything that makes you scratch your head

786
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,500
while he was hijacked forward,

787
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:58,750
and he will survive with so much.

788
00:55:58,750 --> 00:56:00,958
I think the members,

789
00:56:00,958 --> 00:56:04,041
this is a topic that is quite difficult to understand

790
00:56:00,958 --> 00:56:04,041
start with,

791
00:56:04,041 --> 00:56:06,458
he leaves the members in dust.

792
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:13,041
[Binney] When Michael Hayden entered

793
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:13,041
as NSA director,

794
00:56:13,041 --> 00:56:14,750
one of the first things he says is

795
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:18,500
NSA becomes deaf and blind.

796
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:22,625
So he created the NSA transformation office, NTO.

797
00:56:24,375 --> 00:56:27,083
A friend of mine becomes the head of NTO,

798
00:56:27,083 --> 00:56:29,125
and he realized what we did with ThinThread,

799
00:56:29,125 --> 00:56:31,625
and he thinks it's great.

800
00:56:31,625 --> 00:56:34,916
So he sent his deputy down, and he said,

801
00:56:34,916 --> 00:56:39,000
"What can you do with $ 1.2 billion?"

802
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,125
Now, offered suddenly 1.2 billion

803
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,125
is flabbergasting, huh?

804
00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:46,125
It's a bit difficult to handle.

805
00:56:46,125 --> 00:56:50,333
We have operated for only a few million dollars.

806
00:56:50,333 --> 00:56:52,583
So we asked them to give us a little time

807
00:56:52,583 --> 00:56:56,125
to try to find out what we can do

808
00:56:52,583 --> 00:56:56,125
do with it.

809
00:56:56,125 --> 00:56:57,791
So when he comes back in,

810
00:56:57,791 --> 00:57:02,541
we say we can improve the whole world--

811
00:57:02,541 --> 00:57:04,291
everything we have in the world,

812
00:57:04,291 --> 00:57:06,875
and everything back here in the United States,

813
00:57:06,875 --> 00:57:08,833
but in the process, we can only spend

814
00:57:08,833 --> 00:57:13,083
maybe a little over $ 300 million to do it.

815
00:57:13,083 --> 00:57:15,500
So he said, "it's really great."

816
00:57:17,791 --> 00:57:19,625
A few days later, he went back down.

817
00:57:19,625 --> 00:57:21,541
He said, "You are doing a great job

818
00:57:21,541 --> 00:57:23,125
with 1.2 billion offers.

819
00:57:23,125 --> 00:57:27,708
Now what can you do with 1.4 billion?"  Shortly after that my friend at NTO

820
00:57:27,708 --> 00:57:33,375
has been replaced.

821
00:57:27,708 --> 00:57:33,375
He is basically fired.

822
00:57:33,375 --> 00:57:35,208
And Hayden proposed a program called Trailblazer.

823
00:57:35,208 --> 00:57:41,083
And that is a multi-billion dollar program  which will basically be outsourced

824
00:57:41,083 --> 00:57:43,791
and run by contractors and developed by contractors.

825
00:57:43,791 --> 00:57:45,666
[Roark] When the NSA starts

826
00:57:45,666 --> 00:57:49,416
Pioneer,

827
00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:06,708
I asked if they would send a design paper

828
00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:06,708
and let me read it.

829
00:58:06,708 --> 00:58:11,291
After I read it, I called NSA

830
00:58:11,291 --> 00:58:14,041
and I asked if I could talk to the Trailblazer management.

831
00:58:14,041 --> 00:58:16,750


832
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:22,083


833
00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:28,041
And I said, "I want to make sure I understand this paper."

834
00:58:28,041 --> 00:58:30,583
I say, "from what I understand,

835
00:58:30,583 --> 00:58:33,208
modernizing digitally, what you want to do

836
00:58:33,208 --> 00:58:36,083
starts with your analog system

837
00:58:36,083 --> 00:58:40,375
and develops it into a digital system

838
00:58:40,375 --> 00:58:43,750
by issuing one part in time

839
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:46,333
and increase and add more parts. "

840
00:58:46,333 --> 00:58:49,041
And they say, "yes, that is exactly."

841
00:58:49,041 --> 00:58:52,625
And I said, "it won't work.

842
00:58:52,625 --> 00:58:55,750
This is not a starter.
It will never work."

843
00:58:59,333 --> 00:59:03,083
Why do we start from outdated analog technology

844
00:59:03,083 --> 00:59:07,166
and try to develop it into digital technology?

845
00:59:03,083 --> 00:59:07,166
That's just-- that doesn't make sense.

846
00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:11,583
You have to use new modern digital technology

847
00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:11,583
from the beginning.

848
00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:17,916
One reason I support ThinThread

849
00:59:17,916 --> 00:59:21,375
is I think it's far more innovative

850
00:59:21,375 --> 00:59:25,666
and far more simple and elegant in design

851
00:59:25,666 --> 00:59:27,708
of what they think,

852
00:59:27,708 --> 00:59:32,208
therefore may cause fewer problems.

853
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:53,625
[Binney] From our testing

854
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:53,625
with our big ass graph,

855
00:59:53,625 --> 00:59:56,291
very clear to us that we must protect

856
00:59:56,291 --> 00:59:58,916
individual privacy rights.

857
01:00:00,791 --> 01:00:04,500
So we designed ways to build protection

858
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,541
and allows to encrypt all of its attributes

859
01:00:07,541 --> 01:00:09,291
so you don't know who they are

860
01:00:09,291 --> 01:00:11,250
and you can't analyze what they do

861
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:14,750
because you can't identify them.

862
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:17,500
And in cases where they are not even in the zone of suspicion,

863
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:20,041
which we will define in the graph,

864
01:00:20,041 --> 01:00:22,416
their data won't even be taken,

865
01:00:22,416 --> 01:00:26,541
so no one has the opportunity to abuse

866
01:00:22,416 --> 01:00:26,541
their privacy.

867
01:00:28,166 --> 01:00:31,666
This is also the incoming metadata.

868
01:00:35,083 --> 01:00:37,583
The FISA filtering tool we have

869
01:00:37,583 --> 01:00:42,083
filter all American citizens

870
01:00:42,083 --> 01:00:46,291
or parties in America

871
01:00:46,291 --> 01:00:51,583
unless it's a specific target.

872
01:00:52,958 --> 01:00:55,166
But even then, you have to get a warrant

873
01:00:55,166 --> 01:00:57,500
to reveal identity.

874
01:01:03,458 --> 01:01:05,750
[Binney] In 2000, we had everything connected

875
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:09,833
and everything together and walk from one end

876
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:09,833
to others

877
01:01:11,791 --> 01:01:13,375
in 24 hours a day

878
01:01:13,375 --> 01:01:18,583
in three different locations that focus on Asia.

879
01:01:18,583 --> 01:01:21,791
The only site agreed upon

880
01:01:21,791 --> 01:01:25,083
to work with us

881
01:01:25,083 --> 01:01:29,416
are sites known as research sites.

882
01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:45,083
You know, I never called it a test site, but...

883
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:50,791
I mean, they are sites that already exist, I mean.

884
01:01:50,791 --> 01:01:53,291
And they produce intelligence from it

885
01:01:53,291 --> 01:01:55,958
for a long time.

886
01:02:13,208 --> 01:02:18,500
[Roark] We went to NSA

887
01:02:13,208 --> 01:02:18,500
and ask for a brief explanation.

888
01:02:20,041 --> 01:02:24,375
The SARC team came and I was very surprised,

889
01:02:24,375 --> 01:02:29,250
all Trailblazer teams come to the briefing without being invited.

890
01:02:30,791 --> 01:02:32,750
Bill and Ed start the briefing,

891
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:36,541
and the surprising thing is that everything goes on

892
01:02:36,541 --> 01:02:41,125
from the point of collection to reporting,

893
01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:44,083
and includes automatic reporting.

894
01:02:44,083 --> 01:02:46,875
So I turned to Trailblazer people,

895
01:02:46,875 --> 01:02:48,875
"Will you enter this into the Trailblazer?

896
01:02:48,875 --> 01:02:50,833
Doesn't this help you?"

897
01:02:50,833 --> 01:02:54,958
And they are pretty much rambling and stiff-faced.

898
01:02:54,958 --> 01:02:59,041
And apparently SARC got a lot of problems

899
01:02:54,958 --> 01:02:59,041
for this

900
01:02:59,041 --> 01:03:03,541
after me and other congressional staff left.

901
01:03:07,583 --> 01:03:11,416
General Hayden calls the entire SARC team,

902
01:03:11,416 --> 01:03:14,458
fence them in his office, dress them up,

903
01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:20,041
scold them without letting them have the opportunity to speak.

904
01:03:20,041 --> 01:03:24,208
And then issue dir-gram

905
01:03:24,208 --> 01:03:26,416
notify the entire NSA

906
01:03:26,416 --> 01:03:29,583
that after a company decision is made,

907
01:03:29,583 --> 01:03:32,541
that they don't damage it with Congress.

908
01:03:34,666 --> 01:03:39,833
In other words, they have to cover it

909
01:03:34,666 --> 01:03:39,833
adverse information.

910
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:45,375
That, for me, the absolute clarion call

911
01:03:45,375 --> 01:03:47,125
to make Congress in darkness.

912
01:03:47,125 --> 01:03:49,375
I think it's very insolent.

913
01:03:58,375 --> 01:04:01,125
[Binney] General Hayden basically said

914
01:04:01,125 --> 01:04:04,000
ThinThread there is no contribution to the Trailblazer program.

915
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,166
Trailblazer is the program, and we won't have it

916
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,166
other programs.

917
01:04:11,916 --> 01:04:14,458
ThinThread, in my view, after we have everything together,

918
01:04:14,458 --> 01:04:18,416
solve all problems of volume, speed, and variation.

919
01:04:20,083 --> 01:04:23,125
We have solved all the problems

920
01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:26,583
that they claim is a problem.

921
01:04:28,291 --> 01:04:34,208
But they reject it as a risk mitigation process.

922
01:04:34,208 --> 01:04:36,458
I mean, that's the kind of experience I have

923
01:04:36,458 --> 01:04:40,333
with generals back in 1968 when right before

924
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:42,750
for Tet Attack we predicted

925
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:45,500
which touched on the previous two months.

926
01:04:54,291 --> 01:04:56,958
Some people come to me and show some reports

927
01:04:56,958 --> 01:05:01,041
on activities in Vietnam,

928
01:05:01,041 --> 01:05:04,000
and they say that they are preparing a major attack

929
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,125
who will go from the delta to northern Vietnam.

930
01:05:08,125 --> 01:05:11,083
That was all reported to all the main commanders in the field

931
01:05:11,083 --> 01:05:15,333
as well as the pentagon and everyone,

932
01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:20,291
but no one in the position of authority pays attention to it.

933
01:05:22,625 --> 01:05:26,166
General Westmoreland once again said to people

934
01:05:22,625 --> 01:05:26,166
in the United States

935
01:05:26,166 --> 01:05:27,750
that we won.

936
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:30,958
We watch the situation carefully.

937
01:05:30,958 --> 01:05:36,125
And I'm sure that there are further initiatives

938
01:05:30,958 --> 01:05:36,125
can be blunted.

939
01:05:38,791 --> 01:05:41,041
[Binney] I basically see that as

940
01:05:41,041 --> 01:05:43,833
a philosophy of arrogance of power.

941
01:05:45,916 --> 01:05:49,958
They feel they have so much power that they are invincible.

942
01:05:55,291 --> 01:05:59,458
I have friends who are stationed in Vietnam.

943
01:05:59,458 --> 01:06:02,833
One colonel I know has a battalion

944
01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:06,083
placed on the road from Saigon to Cambodia,

945
01:06:06,083 --> 01:06:08,458
which is the main point of attack.

946
01:06:12,125 --> 01:06:14,041
He, of course, has a report too.

947
01:06:14,041 --> 01:06:20,041
So he has 50% of his men in the trench all the time,

948
01:06:20,041 --> 01:06:22,208
24 hours a day...

949
01:06:24,125 --> 01:06:26,291
Until the attack.

950
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:34,125
He is ready, and he loses one person

951
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:34,125
on the first day,

952
01:06:34,125 --> 01:06:36,916
and he stopped it cold.

953
01:06:42,708 --> 01:06:45,708
The problem is all the forces on both sides

954
01:06:45,708 --> 01:06:49,458
have fallen back because they can't resist

955
01:06:45,708 --> 01:06:49,458
their position on the phone

956
01:06:49,458 --> 01:06:51,083
because they are not ready yet.

957
01:06:51,083 --> 01:06:53,541
They don't listen to intelligence.

958
01:06:53,541 --> 01:06:56,041
So he finally had to retreat.

959
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:02,666
The point is if they are ready,

960
01:07:02,666 --> 01:07:06,166
the offensive will get a place at all,

961
01:07:06,166 --> 01:07:09,333
but they don't pay attention.

962
01:07:09,333 --> 01:07:10,791
This is a trick  and dangerous actions by enemies.

963
01:07:10,791 --> 01:07:15,208
[Binney] We think they're all idiots.

964
01:07:15,208 --> 01:07:17,625
I think every general in the country must be fired

965
01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:23,125
after the attack.

966
01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:23,125
All of them.

967
01:07:23,125 --> 01:07:25,291
They should be derived from services.

968
01:07:28,958 --> 01:07:31,166
I mean, we got rid of the generals and all that during World War II  for very similar types of omission,

969
01:07:31,166 --> 01:07:33,708


970
01:07:33,708 --> 01:07:36,083


971
01:07:36,083 --> 01:07:40,250
so I don't understand why we don't get rid of it.

972
01:07:42,375 --> 01:07:46,166
And in the case of Americans, I think there's a little

973
01:07:42,375 --> 01:07:46,166
more than 2,000 lives are lost

974
01:07:46,166 --> 01:07:49,083
in the attack.

975
01:07:49,083 --> 01:07:52,458
It doesn't count how many are injured.

976
01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:57,291
That's why I saw it when they treated us

977
01:07:57,291 --> 01:08:00,333
only meat on the line.

978
01:08:00,333 --> 01:08:03,000
You know, throw more meat on the line.

979
01:08:28,041 --> 01:08:30,041
We started our special coverage tonight

980
01:08:30,041 --> 01:08:31,791
with the latest about terror attacks

981
01:08:31,791 --> 01:08:34,791
against US-guided Cole missile destroyers.

982
01:08:34,791 --> 01:08:37,458
The Navy says it has found the bodies of seven sailors  and is looking for a ruined interior

983
01:08:37,458 --> 01:08:41,541
ship for ten more people.

984
01:08:37,458 --> 01:08:41,541
About 35 other sailors were injured.

985
01:08:41,541 --> 01:08:44,125
[newscaster] In the bleak weather

986
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,125
adjust the opportunity,

987
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,125
the first body of a sailor killed the Cole ship

988
01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:51,666


989
01:08:51,666 --> 01:08:54,208
arrived in Germany this afternoon.

990
01:08:54,208 --> 01:08:55,708
The explosion that claimed their lives

991
01:08:55,708 --> 01:08:57,375
estimated to have happened

992
01:08:57,375 --> 01:08:59,583
by several hundred pounds of explosives

993
01:08:59,583 --> 01:09:03,083
in new and deadly terrorist tactics.

994
01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:07,291
[newscaster] Immediately after the attack

995
01:09:07,291 --> 01:09:10,208
there is nothing left from the small local port craft

996
01:09:10,208 --> 01:09:13,208
which the navy said was carrying explosives.

997
01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:16,000
Despite instability in the nearest area,

998
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,416
Aden strategic port has been used as a fuel stop place

999
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,416
for two years

1000
01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:23,500
and Cole are in a high alert state.

1001
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:25,833
But there seems to be no defense

1002
01:09:25,833 --> 01:09:29,125
against suicide bombers in small boats.

1003
01:09:49,666 --> 01:09:53,958
[Binney] We decided to continue

1004
01:09:49,666 --> 01:09:53,958
develop ThinThread

1005
01:09:53,958 --> 01:09:57,083
to try to make sure we have something that will

1006
01:09:53,958 --> 01:09:57,083
functions functionally

1007
01:09:57,083 --> 01:09:59,250
at the end of 2000

1008
01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:02,708
so we can overcome the problem of terrorism

1009
01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:02,708
in the real world, not in the world of desires

1010
01:10:02,708 --> 01:10:06,166
from Trailblazer, for example.

1011
01:10:11,541 --> 01:10:14,250
That's when I went to our terrorism analysis center

1012
01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:17,208
and say, "okay, what site do you have that will--

1013
01:10:17,208 --> 01:10:19,875
that produces information that means to you

1014
01:10:19,875 --> 01:10:22,166
to analyze terrorism targets around the world?"

1015
01:10:22,166 --> 01:10:24,583
So they gave me a list of 18 sites,

1016
01:10:24,583 --> 01:10:28,083
so I took it as a target set to fight terrorism.

1017
01:10:28,083 --> 01:10:30,291
And then I came in November 2000

1018
01:10:30,291 --> 01:10:34,250
and make a proposal that we did ThinThread

1019
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:38,750
to 18 sites began in January 2001.

1020
01:10:42,041 --> 01:10:45,208
But it was rejected again.

1021
01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:49,125
So I don't know exactly who refused it.

1022
01:10:49,125 --> 01:10:53,583
I assume it is the head of SID, Maureen Baginski.

1023
01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:58,708
He is the third person in the ranking in the agency.

1024
01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:02,291
There is a director, deputy director, then he.

1025
01:11:09,125 --> 01:11:12,083
[Loomis] General Hayden

1026
01:11:09,125 --> 01:11:12,083
hire Bill Black

1027
01:11:12,083 --> 01:11:17,250
to come and take over the position of deputy director.

1028
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:22,375
After Bill Black is taken from SAIC,

1029
01:11:22,375 --> 01:11:25,458
where he became vice president,

1030
01:11:25,458 --> 01:11:27,791
next spring, he brings

1031
01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:32,166
Other senior vice presidents of SAIC,

1032
01:11:32,166 --> 01:11:36,583
and that person is Sam Visner.

1033
01:11:36,583 --> 01:11:42,083
And who gets a contract to develop a Trailblazer?

1034
01:11:42,083 --> 01:11:45,583
SAIC.

1035
01:11:45,583 --> 01:11:48,125
What's wrong with this photo?

1036
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:52,750
[Binney] SAIC is a private company.

1037
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:57,125
This is made basically from NSA individuals who retire.

1038
01:11:57,125 --> 01:12:01,166
People from the NSA retire and they will enter the company

1039
01:11:57,125 --> 01:12:01,166
like SAIC,

1040
01:12:01,166 --> 01:12:04,125
and then they will use their contacts again at the NSA

1041
01:12:04,125 --> 01:12:07,583
to get the contract back to SAIC.

1042
01:12:12,583 --> 01:12:14,708
So when Sam Visner came to take over

1043
01:12:14,708 --> 01:12:16,625
NSA transformation office,

1044
01:12:16,625 --> 01:12:20,291
the first thing he did was call me to his office.

1045
01:12:20,291 --> 01:12:22,208
So I went to his office to talk to him,

1046
01:12:22,208 --> 01:12:24,333
and when I go in there, senior developer

1047
01:12:24,333 --> 01:12:26,583
for the Trailblazer program there.

1048
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,000
And the first thing Sam told me,

1049
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:34,666
he said, "I don't want you to briefing ThinThread

1050
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:34,666
to anyone else."

1051
01:12:34,666 --> 01:12:36,500
And the reason he said that, of course,

1052
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:38,875
because we have made an appointment

1053
01:12:38,875 --> 01:12:41,083
to explain Charlie Allen.

1054
01:12:41,083 --> 01:12:43,041
He is a senior collection officer

1055
01:12:43,041 --> 01:12:44,458
for the intelligence community,

1056
01:12:44,458 --> 01:12:47,083
so he has a lot of influence.

1057
01:12:47,083 --> 01:12:51,125
So I asked him if he wanted me to cancel the appointment,

1058
01:12:51,125 --> 01:12:52,750
and he said, "no, no, don't do that.

1059
01:12:52,750 --> 01:12:54,208
You go ahead and finish the briefing."

1060
01:12:54,208 --> 01:12:56,291
I say, "okay, I'll do it."

1061
01:12:56,291 --> 01:12:58,208
When Charlie Allen goes in there,

1062
01:12:58,208 --> 01:13:00,291
the first thing he sat down and said to us,

1063
01:13:00,291 --> 01:13:03,583
before we even start showing anything about ThinThread,

1064
01:13:03,583 --> 01:13:06,875
he said, "I heard you have a cheap Trailblazer here,

1065
01:13:06,875 --> 01:13:09,125
and I'm here to see it."

1066
01:13:09,125 --> 01:13:10,916
Well, I mean, I was invited.

1067
01:13:10,916 --> 01:13:12,375
Maureen Baginski appears

1068
01:13:12,375 --> 01:13:13,833
Because Maureen knows Charlie Allen.

1069
01:13:13,833 --> 01:13:15,875
They are friends for a long time--

1070
01:13:15,875 --> 01:13:18,041
they have known each other for several years, I think.

1071
01:13:18,041 --> 01:13:20,083
And he was there, and he said--

1072
01:13:20,083 --> 01:13:22,416
at that time, he said, "yes, Charlie,

1073
01:13:22,416 --> 01:13:24,833
but we still need money."

1074
01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:29,791
That is the end of our briefing on ThinThread.

1075
01:13:37,041 --> 01:13:41,208
[Loomis] On August 20, 2001,

1076
01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:47,041
Maureen baginski called me and asked to talk to me

1077
01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:47,041
and Bill Binney

1078
01:13:47,041 --> 01:13:49,875
4:30 that afternoon.

1079
01:13:49,875 --> 01:13:53,333
And he said to meet him in his office,

1080
01:13:53,333 --> 01:13:56,041
So Bill and I go to his office.

1081
01:13:56,041 --> 01:14:00,708
And in this meeting with him he advised us

1082
01:14:00,708 --> 01:14:03,666
that he ends ThinThread.

1083
01:14:03,666 --> 01:14:08,083
And he said that the decision was made because

1084
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:09,666
he must decide whether or not

1085
01:14:09,666 --> 01:14:12,208
he wants to make six people unhappy

1086
01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:15,041
or nearly 500 unhappy.

1087
01:14:15,041 --> 01:14:18,500
So he chose to make the six people unhappy.

1088
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:22,041
So the decision is what I basically call

1089
01:14:22,041 --> 01:14:24,333
happiness management.

1090
01:14:35,416 --> 01:14:37,583
[newscaster] They let us stay awake.

1091
01:14:35,416 --> 01:14:37,583
I'm not sure why.

1092
01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:39,875
Newark allows us to stay awake.

1093
01:14:39,875 --> 01:14:44,000
We-- only news helicopters are allowed to ride

1094
01:14:39,875 --> 01:14:44,000
from all over the country.

1095
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,083
We, like, five people in the air, that's all.

1096
01:14:57,041 --> 01:14:59,416
Oh God, what happened?

1097
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:04,958
It's like the side of the building exploding, Chad,

1098
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:04,958
on the other side.

1099
01:15:04,958 --> 01:15:07,166
The side we can't see.

1100
01:15:07,166 --> 01:15:09,458
Look at that.

1101
01:15:15,875 --> 01:15:19,166
Oh my God!

1102
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:21,083
The entire tower collapses.

1103
01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:24,541
The whole building is gone.
Entire building.

1104
01:15:25,791 --> 01:15:27,708
Oh!

1105
01:15:35,458 --> 01:15:38,125
Daniela, did you hear me?
The entire building collapsed.

1106
01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:40,458
It's gone.

1107
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:03,916
The second tower is missing.

1108
01:16:23,625 --> 01:16:26,291
Oh, those poor people.
Oh, my God.

1109
01:16:30,125 --> 01:16:33,291
On 9/11, I had taken my father-in-law

1110
01:16:33,291 --> 01:16:35,416
to an ophthalmologist for examination,

1111
01:16:35,416 --> 01:16:39,083
so I sit in the waiting room

1112
01:16:35,416 --> 01:16:39,083
watching television

1113
01:16:39,083 --> 01:16:41,708
when he was examined.

1114
01:16:41,708 --> 01:16:44,541
And that's when I saw the first plane

1115
01:16:44,541 --> 01:16:48,125
tap the tower in New York.

1116
01:16:48,125 --> 01:16:51,166
And soon it's said to me

1117
01:16:51,166 --> 01:16:54,125
that we as agents failed to warn

1118
01:16:54,125 --> 01:16:57,541
from this terrorist attack.

1119
01:17:18,875 --> 01:17:21,208
When my father-in-law finishes the examination,

1120
01:17:21,208 --> 01:17:24,208
I took it home and then tried to return to NSA

1121
01:17:24,208 --> 01:17:25,750
to see what I can do

1122
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:29,583
to help get information

1123
01:17:29,583 --> 01:17:31,916
about who does this and all.

1124
01:17:31,916 --> 01:17:35,625
And they won't let me back just because

1125
01:17:35,625 --> 01:17:38,250
Director Hayden has sent everyone home

1126
01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:40,375
that is not needed for the job,

1127
01:17:40,375 --> 01:17:43,041
and the guards keep everyone out,

1128
01:17:43,041 --> 01:17:45,666
so we can't go back that day.

1129
01:17:45,666 --> 01:17:47,541
So the day after 9/11,

1130
01:17:47,541 --> 01:17:51,125
I come dressed as I will sweep the floor,

1131
01:17:51,125 --> 01:17:52,916
So the guards let me enter

1132
01:17:52,916 --> 01:17:54,791
Otherwise they will get me out too,

1133
01:17:54,791 --> 01:17:57,250
because of that day,

1134
01:17:57,250 --> 01:17:59,750
General Hayden has ordered everyone out

1135
01:17:57,250 --> 01:17:59,750
from the building too.

1136
01:17:59,750 --> 01:18:03,500
So when I go in there, I go to SARC

1137
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:09,750
And while there trying to see the material

1138
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:09,750
on my computer,

1139
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:12,166
contracting-- I'm

1140
01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:14,333
president of the contract group

1141
01:18:14,333 --> 01:18:16,500
which I worked on ThinThread

1142
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,500
come to me and say that he just

1143
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:21,500
in a contractor meeting with Sam Visner.

1144
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:27,333
And at that meeting, Sam Visner told him that...

1145
01:18:27,333 --> 01:18:32,083
he said to him, "don't embarrass big companies.

1146
01:18:32,083 --> 01:18:34,291
you do your part, you will get your share.

1147
01:18:34,291 --> 01:18:36,666
There is a lot for everyone."

1148
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,875
And he also said that Sam had said that,

1149
01:18:43,875 --> 01:18:47,333
"We can milk this cow for 15 years."

1150
01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:53,916
We started going to the world of work

1151
01:18:55,250 --> 01:18:59,541
and I will accompany Maureen Baginski.

1152
01:18:59,541 --> 01:19:04,333
Workforce is very extraordinary hard.

1153
01:19:04,333 --> 01:19:08,125
People will ask him, "what will you do?"

1154
01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:10,291
I still remember him saying,

1155
01:19:10,291 --> 01:19:14,416
"9/11 is a gift for the NSA.

1156
01:19:14,416 --> 01:19:17,083
We will get all the money we need and then some."

1157
01:19:17,083 --> 01:19:18,833
Direct quote.

1158
01:19:23,416 --> 01:19:26,958
"9/11 is a gift for the NSA."

1159
01:19:26,958 --> 01:19:31,083
All he saw was a dollar that came from Congress,

1160
01:19:31,083 --> 01:19:34,916
and we will spend it freely.

1161
01:19:34,916 --> 01:19:37,958
[Binney] That's not

1162
01:19:34,916 --> 01:19:37,958
we should be.

1163
01:19:37,958 --> 01:19:39,583
It's not about making money,

1164
01:19:39,583 --> 01:19:41,125
it's about protecting the country

1165
01:19:41,125 --> 01:19:43,125
and free world.
That isn't-- You know,

1166
01:19:45,125 --> 01:19:47,250
not how big the kingdom we can build

1167
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:49,666
or how much money can we make, huh?

1168
01:19:52,166 --> 01:19:54,458
That's just sickening.

1169
01:20:00,416 --> 01:20:02,958
In late September or early October,

1170
01:20:02,958 --> 01:20:08,291
we at SARC watched all this

1171
01:20:02,958 --> 01:20:08,291
equipment starts to arrive

1172
01:20:08,291 --> 01:20:11,083
and piled up in the hallway and outside SARC

1173
01:20:11,083 --> 01:20:13,875
and inside SARC on the path

1174
01:20:13,875 --> 01:20:16,875
between partitions for a table.

1175
01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:20,791
We know something happened because of all this equipment

1176
01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:20,791
enter.

1177
01:20:20,791 --> 01:20:23,750
And then in early October,

1178
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:25,458
it starts to disappear.

1179
01:20:25,458 --> 01:20:27,458
That means they are assembling hardware

1180
01:20:27,458 --> 01:20:29,625
somewhere in the corridor

1181
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:33,250
a little down from our place.

1182
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:37,250
And then in mid-October, the second week in October,

1183
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:39,791
some people who used to do that--

1184
01:20:39,791 --> 01:20:43,583
I am under contract to do software for us at SARC,

1185
01:20:43,583 --> 01:20:47,166
come to me and say that,

1186
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:49,541
"Do you know what they are doing there?

1187
01:20:49,541 --> 01:20:55,958
They take data on every US citizen in this country."

1188
01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:06,708
To do espionage on US citizens,

1189
01:21:06,708 --> 01:21:11,083
they must use the only software that is managed

1190
01:21:06,708 --> 01:21:11,083
large-scale operations,

1191
01:21:11,083 --> 01:21:13,541
which is the software that I put together,

1192
01:21:13,541 --> 01:21:15,291
which is the backend of ThinThread,

1193
01:21:15,291 --> 01:21:16,791
the part that does the graph

1194
01:21:16,791 --> 01:21:18,166
and information management

1195
01:21:18,166 --> 01:21:19,791
index to graph.

1196
01:21:19,791 --> 01:21:22,166
And one of the first things they do

1197
01:21:22,166 --> 01:21:25,875
to make the process work efficiently, of course,

1198
01:21:22,166 --> 01:21:25,875
According to them,

1199
01:21:25,875 --> 01:21:31,541
is deleting all encryption algorithms

1200
01:21:25,875 --> 01:21:31,541
we put it in...

1201
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,875
To protect privacy and identity rights

1202
01:21:35,875 --> 01:21:40,333
US citizens or other citizens

1203
01:21:35,875 --> 01:21:40,333
in that database.

1204
01:21:40,333 --> 01:21:42,708
Well, I mean, after I was told

1205
01:21:42,708 --> 01:21:45,125
that they draw all this data to US citizens

1206
01:21:45,125 --> 01:21:47,625
and basically graph relationships

1207
01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:52,083
every US citizen who uses the telephone

1208
01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:52,083
or whatever electronics,

1209
01:21:52,083 --> 01:21:55,791
well I - it's clear to me that I have to leave the agency.

1210
01:21:55,791 --> 01:21:58,791
I can't live there, so I have to get out

1211
01:21:55,791 --> 01:21:58,791
as fast as I can.

1212
01:21:58,791 --> 01:22:03,166
Bill, Ed, and Kirk become very disgusted  with all the resistance they get,

1213
01:22:03,166 --> 01:22:06,083
and with some personal attacks against them,

1214
01:22:06,083 --> 01:22:09,916
I think too,

1215
01:22:06,083 --> 01:22:09,916
that they decide to take the offer to retire

1216
01:22:09,916 --> 01:22:14,250
at the end of October,

1217
01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:16,166
and they told me that they planned to do that.

1218
01:22:16,166 --> 01:22:19,875
Our last breath at the NSA was October 31, 2001.

1219
01:22:19,875 --> 01:22:25,500
Halloween Day.
Right type.

1220
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,291
[Binney] After 9/11,

1221
01:22:59,375 --> 01:23:02,208
and after we leave,

1222
01:22:59,375 --> 01:23:02,208


1223
01:23:02,208 --> 01:23:05,666
Tom takes over ThinThread.

1224
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,291
And he said, "well, let's take the software

1225
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,291
on ThinThread

1226
01:23:14,291 --> 01:23:17,083
and run it on the database

1227
01:23:17,083 --> 01:23:19,625
which we have accumulated in the NSA

1228
01:23:19,625 --> 01:23:23,291
to find out if there is information about the 9/11 attacks

1229
01:23:23,291 --> 01:23:26,666
that we should know, but not.

1230
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,041
[Drake] We let it run... somewhere

1231
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,041
around 24 to 36 hours.  and they just destroy.

1232
01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:40,166
We find critical intelligence,

1233
01:23:40,166 --> 01:23:43,791
Al-Qaeda and intelligence associations

1234
01:23:43,791 --> 01:23:47,208
movements that the NSA has never found.

1235
01:23:48,375 --> 01:23:51,125
They don't even know they have it in their database.

1236
01:23:51,125 --> 01:23:53,083
= = But also the specific details

1237
01:23:53,083 --> 01:23:54,958
numbers and movements

1238
01:23:54,958 --> 01:23:58,458
and time and location--

1239
01:24:03,041 --> 01:24:07,875
travel.

1240
01:24:07,875 --> 01:24:11,000


1241
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,541


1242
01:24:14,541 --> 01:24:17,125


1243
01:24:17,125 --> 01:24:20,125
And you see the pattern of spread

1244
01:24:20,125 --> 01:24:23,041
that happens after that happens.

1245
01:24:23,041 --> 01:24:25,416
You also see that there is a part of the plot

1246
01:24:25,416 --> 01:24:28,833
where they are not successful.

1247
01:24:30,375 --> 01:24:33,041
There are several aircraft that are targeted.

1248
01:24:33,041 --> 01:24:35,833
And for a number of reasons,

1249
01:24:35,833 --> 01:24:39,583
the planes were not really hijacked.

1250
01:24:44,625 --> 01:24:48,125
You can imagine the horror of making it happen

1251
01:24:48,125 --> 01:24:50,416
what hasn't been found

1252
01:24:50,416 --> 01:24:54,000
and confirm what is known

1253
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,166
sit in this database.

1254
01:25:00,333 --> 01:25:05,250
What if this was discovered before 9/11?

1255
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:09,708
We have information in the database.

1256
01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:14,333
NSA response?

1257
01:25:14,333 --> 01:25:16,083
Close the program completely.

1258
01:25:25,583 --> 01:25:28,041
[Roark] 9/11 will be avoided.

1259
01:25:28,041 --> 01:25:30,541
We will catch people

1260
01:25:30,541 --> 01:25:34,041
who communicates from San Diego

1261
01:25:34,041 --> 01:25:37,416
with people abroad, with terrorists known abroad.

1262
01:25:37,416 --> 01:25:39,541
There's no way we won't catch it.

1263
01:25:53,125 --> 01:25:57,041
[Binney] After Ed and Kirk

1264
01:25:53,125 --> 01:25:57,041
and I left the NSA,

1265
01:25:57,041 --> 01:26:00,041
we formed a small company, a consulting company

1266
01:26:00,041 --> 01:26:03,041
we are called Entity Mapping, LLC.

1267
01:26:03,041 --> 01:26:08,500
We decided to try to present the ThinThread

1268
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:11,000
concept  to other agents and governments

1269
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,750
and bring it to the US government

1270
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,750
through another door.

1271
01:26:17,708 --> 01:26:19,458
[Binney] We were asked by

1272
01:26:19,458 --> 01:26:21,208
Senate Intelligence Committee staff

1273
01:26:21,208 --> 01:26:24,166
to go to the National Reconnaissance Office.

1274
01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:29,208
They manage all satellites and reconnaissance

1275
01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:29,208
type of mission.

1276
01:26:29,208 --> 01:26:31,166
We are working there on a program,

1277
01:26:31,166 --> 01:26:33,500
but NSA knows about that.

1278
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:36,958
They get all programs stopped.

1279
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:44,083
Then we go to customs and border protection.

1280
01:26:44,083 --> 01:26:48,083
They got us fired from that one.

1281
01:26:48,083 --> 01:26:50,791
Bill and Kirk are very angry at all times

1282
01:26:50,791 --> 01:26:56,333
we go to get a contract with a promising customer,

1283
01:26:56,333 --> 01:26:59,750
at the last minute, it will be turned off.

1284
01:26:59,750 --> 01:27:02,208
It happened with INSCOM, it happened with the pentagon,

1285
01:27:02,208 --> 01:27:06,166
that happens with NRO, it happens with the CIA.

1286
01:27:06,166 --> 01:27:10,208
We stop at each of them,

1287
01:27:10,208 --> 01:27:14,041
even though it works.

1288
01:27:14,041 --> 01:27:16,166
- OK, I think we understand.
- Yes

1289
01:27:16,166 --> 01:27:19,625
[Wiebe] Includes one

1290
01:27:19,625 --> 01:27:23,958
where we are given a data set

1291
01:27:23,958 --> 01:27:26,041
and asked to analyze it

1292
01:27:26,041 --> 01:27:29,916
even though the NSA has analyzed it.

1293
01:27:29,916 --> 01:27:34,291
We found very valuable material in that data

1294
01:27:34,291 --> 01:27:36,500
where NSA doesn't.

1295
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:41,083
We write reports, send them to the chain.

1296
01:27:41,083 --> 01:27:43,666
A senior executive at the agency said,

1297
01:27:43,666 --> 01:27:48,333
"Oh my God, these people will embarrass Michael Hayden

1298
01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:50,250
and the people in the castle.

1299
01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:52,458
We have to stop this program."

1300
01:27:52,458 --> 01:27:56,375
And that stops immediately.
We were told to stop working.

1301
01:27:56,375 --> 01:27:58,041
Don't do anything else.

1302
01:27:58,041 --> 01:28:01,125
And they started to dismantle the computer

1303
01:28:01,125 --> 01:28:02,625
that we do

1304
01:28:02,625 --> 01:28:05,416
and the data we found

1305
01:28:05,416 --> 01:28:08,250
and all intelligence

1306
01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,666
removed from disk.

1307
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:24,541
[Binney] The NSA is trying to defend it

1308
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:24,541
ThinThread principles

1309
01:28:24,541 --> 01:28:27,208
is being applied anywhere in the US government

1310
01:28:27,208 --> 01:28:29,125
so there are no other agents in the US government

1311
01:28:29,125 --> 01:28:31,041
can use it too.

1312
01:28:31,041 --> 01:28:34,416
So in essence, they want to maintain the US population

1313
01:28:34,416 --> 01:28:36,916
and vulnerable free world population,

1314
01:28:36,916 --> 01:28:39,041
that's what they do.

1315
01:28:42,875 --> 01:28:46,208
And that's why we filed an IG DoD complaint  in September 2002 against NSA

1316
01:28:46,208 --> 01:28:50,083
for corruption, fraud, waste, and abuse.

1317
01:28:50,083 --> 01:28:53,291
[Loomis] Kirk arranges it

1318
01:28:59,041 --> 01:29:04,416
very strong fraud complaints

1319
01:28:59,041 --> 01:29:04,416


1320
01:29:04,416 --> 01:29:07,250
and we say, "let's do it."

1321
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:10,166
And Diane is also a party in this matter.

1322
01:29:10,166 --> 01:29:12,083
He agreed to join.

1323
01:29:12,083 --> 01:29:16,041
So there's Kirk, Bill, Diane, and myself,

1324
01:29:16,041 --> 01:29:20,166
and then Kirk really floats this by Tom Drake.

1325
01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:22,083
I am not aware that he,

1326
01:29:22,083 --> 01:29:23,875
but he shared with Tom Drake.

1327
01:29:23,875 --> 01:29:27,125
And Tom, because he still works at the NSA,

1328
01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:31,750
says that he will support us from within.

1329
01:29:34,333 --> 01:29:38,916
[Drake] I have access

1330
01:29:34,333 --> 01:29:38,916
for important information

1331
01:29:38,916 --> 01:29:43,166
which is clear NSA is hiding.

1332
01:29:43,166 --> 01:29:45,833
Because of all these investigations

1333
01:29:43,166 --> 01:29:45,833
in progress,

1334
01:29:45,833 --> 01:29:49,041
NSA says, "let's find out where the framework is,

1335
01:29:49,041 --> 01:29:53,250
catch everything, and then bury the report

1336
01:29:49,041 --> 01:29:53,250
as deep as possible."

1337
01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:55,625
This is actually something that Bill Black,

1338
01:29:55,625 --> 01:29:59,291
deputy director, do it.

1339
01:29:59,291 --> 01:30:00,750
And the order comes out,

1340
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:04,166
"No one will see the report.

1341
01:30:04,166 --> 01:30:07,000
We can't show anyone

1342
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,416
what ThinThread found that we haven't found.

1343
01:30:11,416 --> 01:30:15,541
We can't show ThinThread confirmed

1344
01:30:15,541 --> 01:30:18,958
what is clearly a failure . "

1345
01:30:23,041 --> 01:30:26,000
So I was officially contacted

1346
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:30,000
and settings made for me to meet

1347
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:30,000
with researchers.

1348
01:30:34,458 --> 01:30:37,583
And the DoD IG office is investigating that.

1349
01:30:37,583 --> 01:30:39,916
with around 12 researchers,

1350
01:30:39,916 --> 01:30:42,750
and take them about two and a half years to do it.

1351
01:30:42,750 --> 01:30:44,458
They finally publish their report

1352
01:30:44,458 --> 01:30:47,875
at, I think that, January 2005.

1353
01:30:47,875 --> 01:30:52,083
And at that time, about 98% of them were edited  because it is very damaging to the NSA.

1354
01:30:52,083 --> 01:30:55,541
[Loomis] Many of the editors

1355
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:09,708
is in paragraph

1356
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:09,708
marked is not classified.

1357
01:31:09,708 --> 01:31:12,041


1358
01:31:14,833 --> 01:31:16,666
So it's clear to me

1359
01:31:16,666 --> 01:31:21,125
that dirty laundry is destroyed.

1360
01:31:23,083 --> 01:31:27,416
[Binney] This is our judicial department

1361
01:31:23,083 --> 01:31:27,416
cover up for those crimes.

1362
01:31:35,583 --> 01:31:37,541
[Wiebe] In 2005,

1363
01:31:37,541 --> 01:31:42,083
Trailblazer is declared a total failure,

1364
01:31:42,083 --> 01:31:46,375
spend billions of dollars.

1365
01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:49,666
Many millionaires were made during that time,

1366
01:31:49,666 --> 01:31:53,666
but not much intelligence is done.

1367
01:31:53,666 --> 01:31:59,916
That was the biggest failure in NSA history.

1368
01:31:59,916 --> 01:32:02,125
People don't realize it.

1369
01:32:02,125 --> 01:32:04,000
However, Hayden general,

1370
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,458
who led the biggest failure in NSA history,

1371
01:32:08,458 --> 01:32:12,875
promoted to a higher authority position,

1372
01:32:12,875 --> 01:32:16,541
make a deputy director of National Intelligence,

1373
01:32:16,541 --> 01:32:19,166
and then promoted again

1374
01:32:19,166 --> 01:32:23,083
and become director of Central Intelligence.

1375
01:32:23,083 --> 01:32:27,791
Very strange when humanity promotes failure.

1376
01:32:27,791 --> 01:32:29,958
Something is wrong.

1377
01:32:36,166 --> 01:32:39,083
On July 26, 2007,

1378
01:32:39,083 --> 01:32:41,333
The FBI decided to attack four people.

1379
01:32:41,333 --> 01:32:44,166
That is Kirk Weibe, Ed Loomis,

1380
01:32:44,166 --> 01:32:46,083
Diane Roark, and myself.

1381
01:32:50,958 --> 01:32:52,458
So they fabricate evidence

1382
01:32:52,458 --> 01:32:55,208
to get a warrant signed by the judge

1383
01:32:55,208 --> 01:32:58,208
to enter and attack our home and take our material.

1384
01:32:58,208 --> 01:33:01,416
In particular, they are all

1385
01:33:01,416 --> 01:33:03,875
material  related to ThinThread.

1386
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:11,166
My child opens the door and lets them in,

1387
01:33:11,166 --> 01:33:12,833
and they come with their weapons pulled

1388
01:33:12,833 --> 01:33:14,875
and push it out of the way at gunpoint,

1389
01:33:14,875 --> 01:33:17,125
and come to the bedroom where my wife is dressed

1390
01:33:17,125 --> 01:33:19,041
and direct the gun towards him, and then enter the bathroom

1391
01:33:19,041 --> 01:33:22,916
where I take a shower and point a gun at me.

1392
01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:31,750
I didn't hear them at first, apparently.

1393
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:33,666
When I hear it,

1394
01:33:33,666 --> 01:33:35,875
sounds like they will break the door.

1395
01:33:35,875 --> 01:33:40,083
They shake it wildly and slam it forward and back.

1396
01:33:40,083 --> 01:33:42,041
When the attack occurs here,

1397
01:33:42,041 --> 01:33:46,208
it is very surprising to my inner core.

1398
01:33:46,208 --> 01:33:49,333
I don't believe that happened.

1399
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,250
[Roark] I went to call

1400
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,250
My first lawyer.

1401
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:54,041
He told me to request a statement

1402
01:33:54,041 --> 01:33:56,166
that justifies the attack.

1403
01:33:56,166 --> 01:33:59,000
I ask them, they say it's secret

1404
01:33:56,166 --> 01:33:59,000
and I can't see it.

1405
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,416
As soon as I hang up, I realize they have gone

1406
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,416
to office

1407
01:34:02,416 --> 01:34:06,666
and retrieve all the most relevant information,

1408
01:34:06,666 --> 01:34:10,083
all the things about the NSA on the shelf,

1409
01:34:10,083 --> 01:34:12,625
which, I think, is the first indication

1410
01:34:12,625 --> 01:34:15,958
that they have entered the house before.

1411
01:34:15,958 --> 01:34:20,666
When all the equipment is taken from my house,

1412
01:34:20,666 --> 01:34:24,041
my computer, my data, my newspaper,

1413
01:34:24,041 --> 01:34:30,083
My memorandum that I shared with my friends,

1414
01:34:30,083 --> 01:34:33,083
I just can't believe

1415
01:34:33,083 --> 01:34:37,166
that I am considered an enemy

1416
01:34:37,166 --> 01:34:39,000
by my own country.

1417
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,666
I think - I keep thinking if this happens to us,

1418
01:34:42,666 --> 01:34:45,583
and we are educated people,

1419
01:34:45,583 --> 01:34:49,250
sophisticated in governmental ways,

1420
01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:52,125
who can get help,

1421
01:34:52,125 --> 01:34:55,333
what happens to men on the street?

1422
01:34:55,333 --> 01:34:58,791
What happened to that 18-year-old child?

1423
01:35:33,041 --> 01:35:37,250
[Binney] When I find it all

1424
01:35:33,041 --> 01:35:37,250
the things we do

1425
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:40,250
as a result of 9/11,

1426
01:35:40,250 --> 01:35:44,416
and I heard Vice President Cheney's statement about,

1427
01:35:44,416 --> 01:35:46,500
"We have to go to the dark side,"

1428
01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:50,708
I have seen it as total destruction

1429
01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:50,708
our society,

1430
01:35:50,708 --> 01:35:53,333
and we lose all moral positions in the world

1431
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:57,041
as a result of going to the dark side.

1432
01:35:59,708 --> 01:36:01,708
That is only sa

